The Galactic Empire are like Titans from Zeta Gundam show in a nutshell: have massive amounts of resources and funds but end up squandering them on impractical weapons and vehicles, infighting between members who wanted to be on top of the Pecking Order, and willing to cause more harm than good on the people they're supposed to protect.
@@krellio9006 the Hi-Zack's only redeeming quality is how cheap it is. Once actually deployed it get's not only immediately outperformed by the AEUG's new MS, it also fails to contend with outdated OYW suits like the Gelgoog. Hell, even the Titan's own homebrewed MS, the GM Quel, was vastly superior.
@draochvar9646 Yes because funnily enough the Nemo was the EF first choice, but it was overruled in favor of Zaku II F2 with GM power pack which the Federation have a lot. EF still getting the GM II with the improved Power Pack. The Real life Analog to this debaccle is West Germany buying F-4F Phantoms without its better engine, Avionics and weapon's computer despite US insistence. Later batch, they bought the F-4F Phantoms with its intended innards.
@@krellio9006 I'm actually not going to give the EFF regular forces too much shit on their sub-par MS fleet because, as we see in Gundam: Katana (and by extension throughout Zeta) any military org that wasn't the Titans was flat-out broke. The EFs economy was in *utter shambles* in the aftermath of 0083, most military spending was cut down hard and mass lay-offs were a daily occurrence. The TITANS on the other hand! They had more funding than god, which gets proven through what we see in AOZ and the myriad of limited run or experimental machines they pull out throughout Zeta. But instead of investing that into a proper high-performance, mass-production unit, like the AEUGs Rick Dias or Axis Zeon's Zaku III, the went with the Hi-Zack.
I feel like the ARC-170 is an ideal escort fighter, being able to keep up with the ship it’s protecting with its hyperdrive, having multiple pilots so that they can cycle through awake & fully alert crew members, having fairly heavy weaponry to defend against other star fighters & maybe even Corvettes or light Frigates, & it’s advanced sensor package would also be useful for detecting attackers. It filling the role of an escort fighter also anulls its most pressing liability; not being very maneuverable, who needs TIE levels of agility when you’re trying to stick close to something. Great video by the way.
Hm, maybe. Tho personally I’d say it’s more akin to a strike fighter - not specifically made for escort duty, but it could be a Y-Wing’s wingman on a bombing/strafing run.
I think that Mando should have got an Arc 170 instead of an N1. Baby Yoda could have taken the flight engineer seat, and the rear gunner station could have been removed in favour of storage or carbonate slabs. That way he could have continued bounty hunting, the N1 can't allow for that.
The ARC-170 was a great ship poorly utilized. It should have been used for convoy escort missions, blockade breaking, actual reconnaissance, or short range capital ship assaults. Pressing the ARC-170 into space superiority or interception roles is absolutely insane.
Always felt it would thrive in a aggressive reconnaissance role more than anything (I know it’s in the name) ala the force recon marines. A flight of 170s enter a hostile system and use their jammers and heavy weapons to do some damage to the local forces and cause them to activate/expose their defenses and then use the rear gunners, speed and armor to high-tail it out of there with the recon info while also having done a good bit of damage as well
I love how analytical you are, you can take minor details and make learn so much from them. I'd like to see you do a video series in almost a versus style, taking two similar ships and weighing the pros and cons. The idea for this came when wondering if the ARC-170 was a better heavy bomber than the B-Wing. The way you look at ship designs so deeply I'd love to see them compared directly
The Empires military doctrine was highly influenced by its Sith Ruler. Its war machines in the main were all about terror, their sheer size and power demoralising their enemy before the first shot. Their pilots were an expendable resource. The Tie series of ships reflects their disregard for life. No inbuilt life support or shields and little or no armour.
I’ve always loved the ARC-170, its one of my fav star wars designs. I do agree with you. I see the ARC-170 as a heavy fighter a bit like the German BF110. Both were thrust in to fighter/dogfighter roles they could perform but not adequately. Sure, it was multi-role but it was really made to do its namesake; reconnaissance. I think the fighter really got a bad name durning the Battle of Coruscant where it was caught flat footed and showed its ass scrambling to defend. The GAR was always outnumbered, so I would say the ARCs weren’t just useful in the early war but throughout. A squadron of these things could go in pairs and recon a half a dozen systems on the cheap without dedicating your few forces available. Then once they find a soft target, come back in force or with other vessels to hit hard and then leave. It was unrealistic to see the ARCs go toe to toe with Vultures or Tris, the V-19s or Zs could barely do that. It really was just supposed to do recon, merchant raiding, and deep strikes while assisted. I think thats enough to keep it employed but wasn’t as flexible as maybe desired.
The ARC 170 should have been used in combination with the V-Wing and Z-95 Headhunter. The ARC-170 was the best at scouting and delivering hit and run tactics.
I always felt the Arc-170 would thrive in a aggressive reconnaissance role more than anything (I know it’s in the name) ala the US force recon marines. A flight of 170s enter a hostile system and use their jammers and heavy weapons to do some damage to the local forces and cause them to activate/expose their defenses and then use the rear gunners, speed and armor to high-tail it out of there with the recon info while also having done a good bit of damage as well Someone mentioned it in the past but the 170 feels very much like a F-4 Phantom II in space. The F-4 was fairly well known for doing these type of missions. Also know as Wild Weasel missions in the Vietnam war
I have a question... what if Grand Admiral Thrawn was in charge of the first order? I have always wondered what that would be like. Mainly because the first order is more(ish) about high quality. And thrawn is also about high quality as well.
Watching through this i am once again reminded of the lack of effective tactics cooked up during both the Clone Wars and the Rebellion to take advantage of more durable fighters when fighting more fragile frames. For example, in early WWII the US Navy had the F4 Wildcat which was slower but much tougher than the Japanese Zero. Instead of going muzzle to muzzle they developed the Thatch Weave in which one Wildcat would soak up damage allowing his wingman to line up shots on the Zero. It would be much more effective than the single fighter tactics we see on screen in many dogfights and would be something that the ARC-170 would probably be able to do against TIEs or the Trifighters in its originally intended mission profile.
They really did not know how use the Arc-170 Starfighter. Considering it's size, speed and the fact that they needed a pilot, a co-pilot and a gunner was not meant for dogfights. They were meant more for running reconnaissance missions behind enemy lines. Instead of using the Arc-170's at the Battle of Coruscant, they could have used the Z-95 Headhunters.
I think one of the reasons for ARC-170 being dropped and any commonly used designs since being essentially an engine with guns and not having a hyperdrive was mainly 'cause Palps wanted to cosplay as the old Sith Empire & wanted to keep the desertions from the imperial suicide corps, excuse me, imperial starfighter corps by not giving the pilots any chance of running away from their carrier.
1:16 can we get a video on how the rebels restocked their larger ships and what was needed for some of the larger ships? Meaning does it require a shipyard or a large plains area to restock and about 100k in credits or that in smuggled goods? Did the early rebels do some smuggling on the side to then make money for rebel activities afterwards?
People like Bail Organa and Mon Mothma largely bankrolled the rebellion but groups Enfys Nest & her cloud riders raided and stole supplies they can't buy(at least not in the quantities need)
@generationtech you should go watch the movie "The Pentagon Wars." It's from the late 90s and is about the development of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle development. It's similar the ARC in that they kept bolting things on and tried to make it be able to do everything, and in the end it ended up sucking at basically everything.
The arc 170 really seems to be most similar to the sbd dauntless, not counting the forward guns. I believe it would have done well on long range capital ship hunting in the early days of the clone wars
I luv the idea of the ARC-170. It looked great but was overbuilt. 3 troopers and a droid for one starship seems like a waste of manpower. One pilot, one gunner and a droid for support might have been better. Incom went overboard when making up for the deficiencies of the Z-95. But you shouldn't involve a platform designed for reconnaissance in open warfare. Scouting and, or softening a target for the other fighters is more their role.
He actually made the video this was my theory! Generation Tech is the GOAT. Loved the breakdown always something to learn! It is kinda ugly duckling but my favorite modern jet is A-10 so it’s subconscious haha
I think what the impire would do is make more arc 170 to patrol and more light cruiser and have the venator acting like mobile bases to react in case of extreme need with of course reinforcements
How would you "perfect" the 170? I would make it smaller in length and width, remove the copilot section to either shorten the frame or make space for more proton torpedoes, replace wing tip weapons with something similar to the X-Wing. This would essentially make it like an enlarged X-Wing that is capable to heavy hitting runs for the rebellion. That way the rebellion could have one manufacturer making two sized platforms.
This is a fun fact. Snub ships were craft that required a carrier to operate, think dinghies and military raiding craft. Ironically this would make the Tie fighters true snubs while the X-Wings and others would be independent long range craft, like my favorite the P-38 Lightning. On a side note I do not think the F-35 deserves the name Lightning, if anything the F-22 should have inherited that august nickname, twin engine and a beast like the P-38 back then.
Non-FTL starfighters basing off capital ships had been the established doctrine for thousands of years. The Empire just followed this when they went with TIEs, though admittedly they took the cost-cutting to a new level. FTL starfighters had existed during the Clone Wars. The thesis has a point though, in that the poor performance of the ARC-170 likely prejudiced Imperial planners even further against them.
The Arc 170 can engage in dogfights but doesn't excel at it which is why it got smashed over Coruscant as they engaged specially designed fighters. Would probably fair better against freighters and similarly sizeed ships
Exactly, this thing is a heavy strike craft. It's made to destroy large ships. Putting it in the middle of a dogfighting zone is madness. You wouldn't put a Y-wing in this kind of situation.
The ARC would be a great recon and strike fighter during wartime and an almost perfect for escort, sector patrol, and ant-piracy roles in peace time. It should never be used in interceptor, air/space dominance, or anti-fighter roles/missions as it not designed well for them for the stated reasons here. The late republic and imperial navy took the wrong lessons from the Clone Wars and went too extreme on the interceptor and air superiority roles on their fighters. They paid the ultimate price for this in the civil war with the Rebellion.
If all I had was the Arc 170 I’d make my astromech the rear gunner, remove most of the sensor package for more torpedoes and shunt the extra power to engines making it into a space bomber
Hey Allen, if you could retrofit any old republic or old sith empire ships for the clone wars or Galactic Empire, would you do it and which ships would you choose
Im also biased, I see Arc170 I hit like Unquestionably my favorite star fighter the one id definitely get if I could, some upgrades and mods like smaller faster guns but it really is the perfect ship to scout out difficult or enemy territory and of course bounty hunter fighter It was really a guerilla warfare tool, if not on the front lines then behind enemy line like the Clone Commandos also used improperly
Umm wondering how it's a failure as a Capship assault fighter? Even updated shield generators and engines with an enlarg3dvmissile rack would have made it nasty. Leaves it as excellent deep strike option.
I don't blame the Empire for just choosing simple, abd cheap. I blame them for ONLY choosing simple, and cheap. It makes good sense for the ponderous Star Destroyer to just be able to vomit forth a cloud reach extension, and for those ships to not carry every other bell, or whistle, and to be at least somewhat dependent upon the carrier ship, but it's dumb that this is practically the only option. Pick your upticked TIE variant; it was probably designed, not by the Imperial military, but by one asset of that military, who saw a reason to have something armored, or hyperdrive-capable, or carrying increased firepower, and that makes sense. Even once the Rebellion got their vaunted X-Wing, and in numbers, they didn't just use that; they still had Ys, Bs, As, and others, and I feel like it is a bit too bad that someone thought the best way to depict the Empire was "Obviously, to be so evil, you also need to be simple, and dumb, or you'd realize good is better", and make them so averse to diverse options. I'm sure the Emperor thought quantity would be good enough, and thus quality could be kept lower, and thus less threatening to him, in the hands of some Moff, Admiral, or Vader, but it almost feels like, as they were lobbing thousands of probe droids into the stars, looking for the Rebels, it just showed how much use a decent, forward-ranging strike craft would have been, covering the territory individual Star Destroyers couldn't, but they didn't have them. Sort of off-topic, why were there so many hs-capable fighters available, for the Rebellion to snap up, and throw at Imperial targets? Even during the Clone Wars, there was some attachment between fighters, and carriers, and other ships that needed external tech to jump, and a lot of that stuff should've been in what became Imperial surplus, and locked down. Was there still a huge need, following the CW, for independent manufacturers to build anti-piracy ships, and crew them, because the Empire wasn't using them, and phasing them out, and didn't seem to have any for covering the gap, when Rebel jump-capable fighters became such an issue. If there hadn't been a dedicated military for centuries, and the individual worlds didn't have enough surplus, to require more than just the Clones be built for it, why was there now enough dusty, old fighters to dole our to the Rebellion, and they had shields, life support, hyperdrive, and heavier weapons?
How did the rebellion aquire so many X-Wings? I assune some were already produced as imperial navy prototypes. But once the Empire realized that Incom was selling X-Wings to the rebellion, wouldn't they shut down production and sanction Incom? So how did the rebellion aquire so many X-Wings? Was it back-channel or black market somehow, independent of Incom?
Yup. Incom thought they had the contract in the bag and started scaling up to mass produce the fighter for the Empire. They made several factories all around the galaxy. They got backstabbed, the contract was dropped, and the Empire nationalized the entire company, and sold it to Kuat. Rebellion supporters like Bail Organa stepped in and bought the design and rescued a bunch of the engineers. A couple of the factories weren't handed over to the Empire in the takeover, and were moved to secret locations. One of the missions in the old Tie Fighter game was you hunting down and destroying one of those factories.
More like an ME-110, a heavy fighter which also could do recon missions and relatively heavy ground attacks, but also was pressed into use in fighting spitfires which and other much more maneuverable fighters where they horibly failed.
Do you think that it would make a difference to the duration of the clone wars. If the venator 2's were armed with x-wing star fighters and y-wing fighter/bombers. Perhaps potentially shortening the war by a few months to possibly as much as a full year. Also would the victory class star destroyer even be needed in this scenario.
I still feel the arc 170 could have been converted to be a single pilot fighter by cramming a droid brain in the rear gunners seat and moving the front gunner controls to the mail pilot seat or even automate that role too
The ARC-170 got misused so badly it got a bad name. If they had used it as intended it would have been far more effective. The Rebels really dropped the ball on anti droid fighter ship technology.
Hello there, friends. I’ve watched the entire video. I believe in the ARC-170, the New Republic, and Democracy. My name is not Allan, but I am Generation Tech.
I dont think the starfighter failed, i think it was used terribly. That fighter is something that should have been used for ADVANCED RECON. Have a fleet or battle group send a few of these ahead to determine enemy presence, location and makeup. Maybe as guerrillas in unsupported and classified operations. Hit and run on logistics sites and ships. It was in no way built to go toe to toe with droid numbers or anything.
Rebels could select their fights cause information, not hyperdrives on fighters. Its the usual wrong use from the imperials, could just keep a few fighters on patrol all the time.
The X wing basically won the war... Crazy the x wing was so effective and deadly to the empire. Basically China vs American manufacturing... the empire went towards quantity bot quality. That costed them so much... I feel the same goes with the leadership so many leaders wa ting to be powerful and take control instead of focusing of their troopers. They just used their armies as bantha fodo.... It always makes me wonder the empire and 40k the empire basically treats all its military like Imperial guards.. but assets do they use as astrate( elite space marines) for surgical tactical fighting or a elite force... Crazy some of the Clone Wars era troopers were like that. ARC troopers and commandos being g used for commando stuff... Empire should of focused on Quality galaxy wide. FYI I seen 90% of your videos my guy🎉
🤔 . . . Due to so many disgruntled fans in both _Star Wars_ & _Star Trek_ , what’ll happen if the Galactic Empire (played by hardcore _Star Wars_ fans, aka Jedi Junkies) invaded the Milky Way Galaxy defended by the various _Star Trek_ factions (played by hardcore _Star Trek_ fans, aka Trekkies)? To add to this, all ‘contestants’ are to create their own original characters & play as them, much like the sign up process of Stan Lee’s _Who Wants to Be a Superhero?_ . . .
The Galactic Empire are like Titans from Zeta Gundam show in a nutshell: have massive amounts of resources and funds but end up squandering them on impractical weapons and vehicles, infighting between members who wanted to be on top of the Pecking Order, and willing to cause more harm than good on the people they're supposed to protect.
I digress
The Hi-Zack is a good weapons for counter insurgency.
It was not a very good weapon for an actual full blown war
Sounds rather like the NotSees.
@@krellio9006 the Hi-Zack's only redeeming quality is how cheap it is. Once actually deployed it get's not only immediately outperformed by the AEUG's new MS, it also fails to contend with outdated OYW suits like the Gelgoog.
Hell, even the Titan's own homebrewed MS, the GM Quel, was vastly superior.
@draochvar9646 Yes because funnily enough the Nemo was the EF first choice, but it was overruled in favor of Zaku II F2 with GM power pack which the Federation have a lot.
EF still getting the GM II with the improved Power Pack.
The Real life Analog to this debaccle is West Germany buying F-4F Phantoms without its better engine, Avionics and weapon's computer despite US insistence.
Later batch, they bought the F-4F Phantoms with its intended innards.
@@krellio9006 I'm actually not going to give the EFF regular forces too much shit on their sub-par MS fleet because, as we see in Gundam: Katana (and by extension throughout Zeta) any military org that wasn't the Titans was flat-out broke. The EFs economy was in *utter shambles* in the aftermath of 0083, most military spending was cut down hard and mass lay-offs were a daily occurrence.
The TITANS on the other hand! They had more funding than god, which gets proven through what we see in AOZ and the myriad of limited run or experimental machines they pull out throughout Zeta. But instead of investing that into a proper high-performance, mass-production unit, like the AEUGs Rick Dias or Axis Zeon's Zaku III, the went with the Hi-Zack.
I feel like the ARC-170 is an ideal escort fighter, being able to keep up with the ship it’s protecting with its hyperdrive, having multiple pilots so that they can cycle through awake & fully alert crew members, having fairly heavy weaponry to defend against other star fighters & maybe even Corvettes or light Frigates, & it’s advanced sensor package would also be useful for detecting attackers. It filling the role of an escort fighter also anulls its most pressing liability; not being very maneuverable, who needs TIE levels of agility when you’re trying to stick close to something. Great video by the way.
it also has the same speed as the x wing
Hm, maybe. Tho personally I’d say it’s more akin to a strike fighter - not specifically made for escort duty, but it could be a Y-Wing’s wingman on a bombing/strafing run.
I think that Mando should have got an Arc 170 instead of an N1. Baby Yoda could have taken the flight engineer seat, and the rear gunner station could have been removed in favour of storage or carbonate slabs. That way he could have continued bounty hunting, the N1 can't allow for that.
The ARC-170 was a great ship poorly utilized. It should have been used for convoy escort missions, blockade breaking, actual reconnaissance, or short range capital ship assaults. Pressing the ARC-170 into space superiority or interception roles is absolutely insane.
Always felt it would thrive in a aggressive reconnaissance role more than anything (I know it’s in the name) ala the force recon marines. A flight of 170s enter a hostile system and use their jammers and heavy weapons to do some damage to the local forces and cause them to activate/expose their defenses and then use the rear gunners, speed and armor to high-tail it out of there with the recon info while also having done a good bit of damage as well
I love how analytical you are, you can take minor details and make learn so much from them. I'd like to see you do a video series in almost a versus style, taking two similar ships and weighing the pros and cons. The idea for this came when wondering if the ARC-170 was a better heavy bomber than the B-Wing. The way you look at ship designs so deeply I'd love to see them compared directly
I would choose the ARC-170s over the Resistance Bombers’ ships
I think an ARC and B-wing comparison would be interesting to see.
Gotta credit GL for his knowledge of aircraft. The Arc-170 was basically the F-4 Phantom
What the ARC-170 should have been used as is the A-10 Warthog of the Clone Wars. Its heavy weapons would have made it a superb ground attack craft.
The Empires military doctrine was highly influenced by its Sith Ruler.
Its war machines in the main were all about terror, their sheer size and power demoralising their enemy before the first shot.
Their pilots were an expendable resource.
The Tie series of ships reflects their disregard for life. No inbuilt life support or shields and little or no armour.
I’ve always loved the ARC-170, its one of my fav star wars designs. I do agree with you. I see the ARC-170 as a heavy fighter a bit like the German BF110. Both were thrust in to fighter/dogfighter roles they could perform but not adequately. Sure, it was multi-role but it was really made to do its namesake; reconnaissance. I think the fighter really got a bad name durning the Battle of Coruscant where it was caught flat footed and showed its ass scrambling to defend.
The GAR was always outnumbered, so I would say the ARCs weren’t just useful in the early war but throughout. A squadron of these things could go in pairs and recon a half a dozen systems on the cheap without dedicating your few forces available. Then once they find a soft target, come back in force or with other vessels to hit hard and then leave. It was unrealistic to see the ARCs go toe to toe with Vultures or Tris, the V-19s or Zs could barely do that. It really was just supposed to do recon, merchant raiding, and deep strikes while assisted. I think thats enough to keep it employed but wasn’t as flexible as maybe desired.
Great video Allen. I love the ARC-170 even with its flaws, and it makes sense why the Empire would eventually phase this ship out of service
The ARC 170 should have been used in combination with the V-Wing and Z-95 Headhunter. The ARC-170 was the best at scouting and delivering hit and run tactics.
I always felt the Arc-170 would thrive in a aggressive reconnaissance role more than anything (I know it’s in the name) ala the US force recon marines. A flight of 170s enter a hostile system and use their jammers and heavy weapons to do some damage to the local forces and cause them to activate/expose their defenses and then use the rear gunners, speed and armor to high-tail it out of there with the recon info while also having done a good bit of damage as well
Someone mentioned it in the past but the 170 feels very much like a F-4 Phantom II in space. The F-4 was fairly well known for doing these type of missions. Also know as Wild Weasel missions in the Vietnam war
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I have a question... what if Grand Admiral Thrawn was in charge of the first order? I have always wondered what that would be like. Mainly because the first order is more(ish) about high quality. And thrawn is also about high quality as well.
Incidentally, the ARC-170's focus on anti-piracy was PERFECT to counter the Rebel Alliance's mobility.
Watching through this i am once again reminded of the lack of effective tactics cooked up during both the Clone Wars and the Rebellion to take advantage of more durable fighters when fighting more fragile frames. For example, in early WWII the US Navy had the F4 Wildcat which was slower but much tougher than the Japanese Zero. Instead of going muzzle to muzzle they developed the Thatch Weave in which one Wildcat would soak up damage allowing his wingman to line up shots on the Zero. It would be much more effective than the single fighter tactics we see on screen in many dogfights and would be something that the ARC-170 would probably be able to do against TIEs or the Trifighters in its originally intended mission profile.
Best analysis of my favorite starfighter. Thanks Chad
They really did not know how use the Arc-170 Starfighter. Considering it's size, speed and the fact that they needed a pilot, a co-pilot and a gunner was not meant for dogfights. They were meant more for running reconnaissance missions behind enemy lines. Instead of using the Arc-170's at the Battle of Coruscant, they could have used the Z-95 Headhunters.
The ARC170 is still my favourite starfighter in all SciFi universes. No other spacecraft gives me the ME-110 or 410 vibe like it
I think one of the reasons for ARC-170 being dropped and any commonly used designs since being essentially an engine with guns and not having a hyperdrive was mainly 'cause Palps wanted to cosplay as the old Sith Empire & wanted to keep the desertions from the imperial suicide corps, excuse me, imperial starfighter corps by not giving the pilots any chance of running away from their carrier.
1:16 can we get a video on how the rebels restocked their larger ships and what was needed for some of the larger ships? Meaning does it require a shipyard or a large plains area to restock and about 100k in credits or that in smuggled goods? Did the early rebels do some smuggling on the side to then make money for rebel activities afterwards?
People like Bail Organa and Mon Mothma largely bankrolled the rebellion but groups Enfys Nest & her cloud riders raided and stole supplies they can't buy(at least not in the quantities need)
@generationtech you should go watch the movie "The Pentagon Wars." It's from the late 90s and is about the development of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle development. It's similar the ARC in that they kept bolting things on and tried to make it be able to do everything, and in the end it ended up sucking at basically everything.
The arc 170 really seems to be most similar to the sbd dauntless, not counting the forward guns. I believe it would have done well on long range capital ship hunting in the early days of the clone wars
"Sacrifice" one or two squads of standard ties per star destroyer to equip them with some tie defenders.
I luv the idea of the ARC-170. It looked great but was overbuilt. 3 troopers and a droid for one starship seems like a waste of manpower.
One pilot, one gunner and a droid for support might have been better.
Incom went overboard when making up for the deficiencies of the Z-95.
But you shouldn't involve a platform designed for reconnaissance in open warfare.
Scouting and, or softening a target for the other fighters is more their role.
Good theory and break down it makes perfect sense
He actually made the video this was my theory! Generation Tech is the GOAT. Loved the breakdown always something to learn!
It is kinda ugly duckling but my favorite modern jet is A-10 so it’s subconscious haha
I think what the impire would do is make more arc 170 to patrol and more light cruiser and have the venator acting like mobile bases to react in case of extreme need with of course reinforcements
How would you "perfect" the 170? I would make it smaller in length and width, remove the copilot section to either shorten the frame or make space for more proton torpedoes, replace wing tip weapons with something similar to the X-Wing. This would essentially make it like an enlarged X-Wing that is capable to heavy hitting runs for the rebellion. That way the rebellion could have one manufacturer making two sized platforms.
Also if they made the 170 just a multi-purpose bomber or implemented like an A10 and had lightspeed capable V-Wings it would've made more sense.
Imagine the Nebulun B frigate was being used during the Clone Wars as a spy ship for the Republic? With ARC-170’s as its support ships?
This is a fun fact. Snub ships were craft that required a carrier to operate, think dinghies and military raiding craft. Ironically this would make the Tie fighters true snubs while the X-Wings and others would be independent long range craft, like my favorite the P-38 Lightning.
On a side note I do not think the F-35 deserves the name Lightning, if anything the F-22 should have inherited that august nickname, twin engine and a beast like the P-38 back then.
No clue if he will ever read this but I think I have a cool video idea who would win in a fight Clone Troppers or Death Troppers.
Non-FTL starfighters basing off capital ships had been the established doctrine for thousands of years. The Empire just followed this when they went with TIEs, though admittedly they took the cost-cutting to a new level.
FTL starfighters had existed during the Clone Wars. The thesis has a point though, in that the poor performance of the ARC-170 likely prejudiced Imperial planners even further against them.
The Arc 170 can engage in dogfights but doesn't excel at it which is why it got smashed over Coruscant as they engaged specially designed fighters. Would probably fair better against freighters and similarly sizeed ships
Exactly, this thing is a heavy strike craft. It's made to destroy large ships. Putting it in the middle of a dogfighting zone is madness. You wouldn't put a Y-wing in this kind of situation.
The arc-170 killed the skipray blast boat.
The ARC would be a great recon and strike fighter during wartime and an almost perfect for escort, sector patrol, and ant-piracy roles in peace time. It should never be used in interceptor, air/space dominance, or anti-fighter roles/missions as it not designed well for them for the stated reasons here. The late republic and imperial navy took the wrong lessons from the Clone Wars and went too extreme on the interceptor and air superiority roles on their fighters. They paid the ultimate price for this in the civil war with the Rebellion.
Just change Rear turret to full rotation turret with twin or quad link blaster.
If all I had was the Arc 170 I’d make my astromech the rear gunner, remove most of the sensor package for more torpedoes and shunt the extra power to engines making it into a space bomber
Hey Allen, if you could retrofit any old republic or old sith empire ships for the clone wars or Galactic Empire, would you do it and which ships would you choose
An ARC-170 would ideally be used in a role similar to modern armoured cavalry as a heavy screening force.
Im also biased, I see Arc170 I hit like
Unquestionably my favorite star fighter the one id definitely get if I could, some upgrades and mods like smaller faster guns but it really is the perfect ship to scout out difficult or enemy territory and of course bounty hunter fighter
It was really a guerilla warfare tool, if not on the front lines then behind enemy line like the Clone Commandos also used improperly
I was literally just talking the day before this video dropped about why this ship was so misguided
Umm wondering how it's a failure as a Capship assault fighter? Even updated shield generators and engines with an enlarg3dvmissile rack would have made it nasty. Leaves it as excellent deep strike option.
I don't blame the Empire for just choosing simple, abd cheap. I blame them for ONLY choosing simple, and cheap. It makes good sense for the ponderous Star Destroyer to just be able to vomit forth a cloud reach extension, and for those ships to not carry every other bell, or whistle, and to be at least somewhat dependent upon the carrier ship, but it's dumb that this is practically the only option. Pick your upticked TIE variant; it was probably designed, not by the Imperial military, but by one asset of that military, who saw a reason to have something armored, or hyperdrive-capable, or carrying increased firepower, and that makes sense. Even once the Rebellion got their vaunted X-Wing, and in numbers, they didn't just use that; they still had Ys, Bs, As, and others, and I feel like it is a bit too bad that someone thought the best way to depict the Empire was "Obviously, to be so evil, you also need to be simple, and dumb, or you'd realize good is better", and make them so averse to diverse options. I'm sure the Emperor thought quantity would be good enough, and thus quality could be kept lower, and thus less threatening to him, in the hands of some Moff, Admiral, or Vader, but it almost feels like, as they were lobbing thousands of probe droids into the stars, looking for the Rebels, it just showed how much use a decent, forward-ranging strike craft would have been, covering the territory individual Star Destroyers couldn't, but they didn't have them.
Sort of off-topic, why were there so many hs-capable fighters available, for the Rebellion to snap up, and throw at Imperial targets? Even during the Clone Wars, there was some attachment between fighters, and carriers, and other ships that needed external tech to jump, and a lot of that stuff should've been in what became Imperial surplus, and locked down. Was there still a huge need, following the CW, for independent manufacturers to build anti-piracy ships, and crew them, because the Empire wasn't using them, and phasing them out, and didn't seem to have any for covering the gap, when Rebel jump-capable fighters became such an issue. If there hadn't been a dedicated military for centuries, and the individual worlds didn't have enough surplus, to require more than just the Clones be built for it, why was there now enough dusty, old fighters to dole our to the Rebellion, and they had shields, life support, hyperdrive, and heavier weapons?
How did the rebellion aquire so many X-Wings? I assune some were already produced as imperial navy prototypes. But once the Empire realized that Incom was selling X-Wings to the rebellion, wouldn't they shut down production and sanction Incom? So how did the rebellion aquire so many X-Wings? Was it back-channel or black market somehow, independent of Incom?
Yup. Incom thought they had the contract in the bag and started scaling up to mass produce the fighter for the Empire. They made several factories all around the galaxy. They got backstabbed, the contract was dropped, and the Empire nationalized the entire company, and sold it to Kuat. Rebellion supporters like Bail Organa stepped in and bought the design and rescued a bunch of the engineers. A couple of the factories weren't handed over to the Empire in the takeover, and were moved to secret locations. One of the missions in the old Tie Fighter game was you hunting down and destroying one of those factories.
Plus a bunch of them were essentially built in garages rather than in factories.
X-wings and gold light sabers. Why are they or not... The best.
The ARC-170 is comparable to the Messerschmitt Me-110, Bristol Beaufighter and F-101 Voodoo
Gives me A-10 Warthog Vibes which I’m all for 😎🤙
More like an ME-110, a heavy fighter which also could do recon missions and relatively heavy ground attacks, but also was pressed into use in fighting spitfires which and other much more maneuverable fighters where they horibly failed.
Do you think that it would make a difference to the duration of the clone wars. If the venator 2's were armed with x-wing star fighters and y-wing fighter/bombers. Perhaps potentially shortening the war by a few months to possibly as much as a full year. Also would the victory class star destroyer even be needed in this scenario.
I still feel the arc 170 could have been converted to be a single pilot fighter by cramming a droid brain in the rear gunners seat and moving the front gunner controls to the mail pilot seat or even automate that role too
The ARC-170 got misused so badly it got a bad name. If they had used it as intended it would have been far more effective. The Rebels really dropped the ball on anti droid fighter ship technology.
Welp screw it! Also wish for vid about Earth firearms in Star Wars effectiveness...
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Hello there, friends. I’ve watched the entire video. I believe in the ARC-170, the New Republic, and Democracy. My name is not Allan, but I am Generation Tech.
Do you think StarWing fighter could help the Empire if used well and in greater number?
I dont think the starfighter failed, i think it was used terribly. That fighter is something that should have been used for ADVANCED RECON. Have a fleet or battle group send a few of these ahead to determine enemy presence, location and makeup. Maybe as guerrillas in unsupported and classified operations. Hit and run on logistics sites and ships. It was in no way built to go toe to toe with droid numbers or anything.
Tie Fighters were around the same price as new Z-95 Headhunters.
Tie Fighters are cool, but I'll take a Z-95 over a Tie everytime.
This theory is interesting
Can you make a video if the xwing was in the clone wars instead of arc 170.
Could the empire have lasted if it wasn't for Luke ?
NOT gonna watch another video ON arc-170 I want the cool shit man. Hypotheticals and what if ships
Rebels could select their fights cause information, not hyperdrives on fighters. Its the usual wrong use from the imperials, could just keep a few fighters on patrol all the time.
Space P-61 Black Widow
Use a wrench to do a screwdriver's job and then complain about its bad performance. Sounds just like what my government would do.
Alan...YOU'RE the LEPARD...and James...sorry about your face🥴😞😣😖💯%!!!
It's a fighter/bomber
Ti fighter are the sherman tanks.
Numbers over quality.
A sea of fighter is more impressive than a hand full of strong fighter "ships"
Under a hour
It's lies, Belgium does not exist, it is the Southern Netherlands.
Arc-170 good agianst Imperial-Star destroyer and capital ships but not good agianst other star fighters
The X wing basically won the war...
Crazy the x wing was so effective and deadly to the empire.
Basically China vs American manufacturing... the empire went towards quantity bot quality. That costed them so much...
I feel the same goes with the leadership so many leaders wa ting to be powerful and take control instead of focusing of their troopers. They just used their armies as bantha fodo....
It always makes me wonder the empire and 40k the empire basically treats all its military like Imperial guards.. but assets do they use as astrate( elite space marines) for surgical tactical fighting or a elite force...
Crazy some of the Clone Wars era troopers were like that. ARC troopers and commandos being g used for commando stuff...
Empire should of focused on Quality galaxy wide.
FYI I seen 90% of your videos my guy🎉
Darth Maul lightsaber 2 has a size of Interest is lightsaber birthday changed it so she survived the Clone Wars it breaks the series bad bak
🤔 . . . Due to so many disgruntled fans in both _Star Wars_ & _Star Trek_ , what’ll happen if the Galactic Empire (played by hardcore _Star Wars_ fans, aka Jedi Junkies) invaded the Milky Way Galaxy defended by the various _Star Trek_ factions (played by hardcore _Star Trek_ fans, aka Trekkies)? To add to this, all ‘contestants’ are to create their own original characters & play as them, much like the sign up process of Stan Lee’s _Who Wants to Be a Superhero?_ . . .
"Hadn't been a conventional war in 1,000" exactly how does Lucas think Star Wars is a metaphor for Vietnam then?
google metaphor
Incom is the best fighter Production company STFU GTECH