This $2 Part Nearly Blew Up Our $50,000 Cessna 210 Engine...
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- Well, our broken Cessna 210 is now fixed! What was the problem? What was the fix? How much did the repair cost? It is a major issue that is so simple to fix. We fly the plane for the first time since the repair and head to Monterey for car week! We feature the Quail 2023 car show toward the end of this video. This simple little $2 part nearly caused our engine to blow up and would have caused an emergency if in the air. If you have a spin on oil filter adapter be sure to inspect it and possible swap to the ST07 gasket.
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Might suggest next time you have a post maintenance flight after a near catastrophic failure that you orbit above the airport for 30-45 min (in case there is another failure), and then land, decowl, and re-inspect.
We will sometimes do that, but in this case we just took off normally knowing we had two good airports in the immediate forward gliding range if something went wrong.
@@JRAviationwith the utmost respect, I urge you in the strongest possible terms to reassess the judgment that allowed you to make this decision. Please at least seek the input of some very experienced pilots who have seen in flight emergencies before, not the young guys you have working for you.
As an A&P for 30 years the most dangerous flight you will ever make is the one right after maintenance. Bad things happen after time spent in the shop and even the best mechanic can screw up. I did a maintenance flight on my own aircraft after a panel upgrade and a fuel system overhaul. took off and everything was great no issues so I flew over the town to wing wag at my parents house and the engine quit stone cold with no warning. did the engine failure checks and nothing. I was trying to find a field or road to set down on when I went through the checks one more time only this time switching the fuel selector to off first and the engine came back to life. Found out I had put the selector 180 degrees out. I never ever left the pattern on a maintenance flight again.
thats crazy. wow how did you figure that out in the air
Another customer just told me about this video! So glad we could help you out and get you flying again. Thank you so much for the compliments! Scott-Chandler Air Service
Good Job. This video could absolutely save lives for anybody buying a similar plane with a similar adapter. I bet you wish somebody had made one first. But thank you for doing it now!
Thanks for taking the time to go back and add in everything in superb detail. I'm a mechanical engineer and your attention to detail reminds me of myself - I love it! I have a 177 Cardinal so this does not apply but it teaches the lesson of how important it is for the owner/operator to do their own due diligence. Keep it up, enjoying the channel
One thing I love about this channel is that he monitors his edits and if he realises shit is wonky he’ll cut yo him explaining things better. I wish all channels do this. Thanks brothaman. Also that green carbon fibre pagani was beyond beautiful
Thanks for the info about the copper washers, because this is what we installed to Correct the AD. The original failure happened to me midair on maintenance flight above the airport for a separate issue. We dumped 6 qts on 10 min flight around the pattern and was notified by people on the ground that we were trailing smoke which gave a few minutes advance notice before the oil pressure died.
Wow scary stuff! Yea you might want to do the updated ST07.
Honestly I'm just plain shocked that you didn't learn anything from a near engine failure. You seriously head out on a long cross country immediately after this incident and repair? And not only that, but you're in a rush and trying to get somewhere on a tight timeline. I just can't believe it. You're running a company and you are responsible for the safety of your people. Even if they are contractors and are PIC and are legally responsible for the safety of the flight. It's time to grow up and start acting like the leader of an organization that holds people's lives in the balance. I too ran a company at a young age, so I understand there's a learning curve, but honestly you just have to do better. The vast majority of people will defer to you as the leader on safety decisions. There are very few people who will refuse to do something obviously unsafe. It's weird but true. I've seen it many times and was the only person saying "hey guys let's not do this".
I fully agree. He’s displaying hazardous attitudes every video.
Well if your going to run a company like his you have to make decisions immediately to make money
@@sales21stcentry in aviation that’s know as impulsivity. Very dangerous attitude to have. I rarely comment on other people’s decisions but when it’s aviation related mistakes can end in tragedy.
A lot of people who don’t aren’t certified pilots would probably agree, however most pilots are not usually hesitant to fly in an aircraft after a maintenance issue especially if maintenance has resolved the issue and signed off on it. There are very rigorous standards that aircraft have to meet to be considered airworthy and maintenance will usually run the engine through rpm and prop cycles to ensure they have properly solved the issue prior to releasing it. There were 8 airports within 15-20 miles of their departure airport they could use for a suitable landing in the event of additional engine roughness. Although I can’t say everything he did was the best decision, I don’t necessarily disagree with his go decision for the flight. There is a huge chance you have been on an aircraft which has had a major repair in its lifetime and you’ve most likely not been aware of it.
@@rileysmith6113 if you knew much about maintenance induced failures in general aviation, I doubt you would say this. A huge portion of engine failures are immediately preceded by maintenance. If they had at least performed an acceptance flight prior to the cross country, and taken time to verify that the leak had stopped, I would not feel so strongly that this was a reckless thing to do. Without the acceptance flight, this is just careless. It's also a very bad example for the audience, many of whom probably would like to emulate their business success.
Not sure if you read the comments but i think its great your so transparent and give actual prices on everything.. keep up the good work
Appreciate your passion and enthusiasm! Careful of getheritas, be extra safe. I like the option to fly 30min/1hr above the airport to stress repairs. By the way, please share more on that cool Tokyo Sweatshirt!
most fun i ever had driving a sports car was a neighbor who swapped in Mercedes 3.2 liter + 5 speed into his 1974 Triumph TR6. Total retro ride turned raging beast
Love the engine sound! Glad things turned out well for you.
I'm very sorry for all the trouble, stress, hectic, and tough situation ya'll are going through. I will be praying that everything can get resolved for you all. Ngl that car show was epic and off the charts🎉 I enjoyed it very much!! That flyover OH it was airplane heaven fr.👌🏽
Shawn is the GOAT for taking this plane for it's "test flight" after a catastrophe... lol
Yes and it all started with the Pebble Beach Race and Concours back in about 1950. I was lucky enough to have met Phil Hill about 20 years ago at a WAJ track day at Laguna Seca. My first Pebble Concours was back in 1984 which I found by "accident" and I've been going ever since. In 1984 you could get a motel room in Carmel on the Friday of the event for $20. My number 2 son has never missed a Pebble Concours and "now" Monterey Car week since birth. That's right his first Pebble was in 1993 at age two months!!! He has been going ever since. He has taken over my published automotive column the Road Beat which allowed me to have some incredible automotive and motorcycle experiences. In that time I have been lucky to have driven and owned some fabulous cars, trucks and motorcycles and meet and interview some significant people. My favorite event is the Monterey Historic Races. And yes, my mode of transportation to get to Monterey is by the plane I owned at the time, Either a Cessna T210, Beech Baron 58TC and V35B. But I flew into MRY not Palo Alto (PAO) although I used to fly my Baron into PAO many times. If you think its short for a 210, try it in a Baron 58TC. Although with a stabilized approach and good airspeeds, it is actually a piece of cake and plenty of runway. I am also lucky to have experience thousand of laps at Laguna Seca and other race tracks mostly in the Western U.S. in and on many fabulous cars and motorcycles.
Replace the crush gaskets EVERY time you loosen the stack, NEVER REUSE A CRUSH GASKET!!!! Aircraft mechanic since 1965.
It’s always a great day flying if you can safely walk away from a near flight disaster
Keep the blue side up and the brown side down
@@onyourbikes
Well if humans were perfect then maybe
From the moment the Wright Bros flew their aircraft we all except the infallibility of human invention.
There’s no such thing as absolute safety with anything not all things can be known so I don’t hold humans to the level of perfection.
Peace
I use cam guard and 20w-50 in my cirrus. No complaints at all
The best setup
Nice to have it fixed easily and cheap! Unless the change of gaskets requires a test flight, the almost engine failure makes no difference for a test flight or not. As with all aircraft, both single- and multi-engined, a single engine failure is something to always consider, it just has different consequences where and when it happens.
Nice breakdown on the AD. Definitely checking that community Karma box.
Much appreciated, this issue is not talked about enough.
Is the tailwing number N666X1? HELL NO!!! Thats bad luck, sell that plane or change the number 😮😮😮
You should know better than to believe in that hogwash.
Who cares? It’s just a number.
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PTFE is a well accepted polymer exceeding GA temp, wear, durability, etc. from the industrial process control industry.
What a great way to say Polytetrafluoroethylene. I have typically seen them in backup washers to assist with putting pressure on regular o-rings during buildups.
And yet, here you guys are, flying night SEL to go to a car show after a near miss at night with the old gaskets. Still in the kill zone !!
+ needing to be back that night to leave for a business trip. Literally textbook hazardous attitudes and pressure
@@willraefpv Right !! nIght SEL that is basically a maintenance shake down flight. Oh to be 20 something again. Muy Cajones.
@@easttexan2933 *Jeff is 34 and friends are likewise 30-somethings. Brother is 20+.*
@@blackrifle6736 Ok. 30 something. I'm 77 so 20 or 30 same thing. Got to get out of that "nothing is going to happen on this flight" mind set. Taken from Aviation101, he said it was "the killing zone".
What could possibly go wrong?
2:25 I use arch oil for my diesel truck, about the first truck I used to for and I found that it's been a great additive to use. You might find a lot of car collectors use it because hold up to harsh conditions, ie intermittent use which would be considered extreme duty when it comes to combustion engines. Something to pass on to the younger generation when it comes to duty wear on our transportation. Not just cars and trucks. There are people who own trains just like airplanes and they too need care. ☺️
These video's are OLD, if you are going to Monterey Car Week, Hire an Editor!!! Your channel(s) will support it
You're going to see oil for awhile as it gets blown through the bottom cowl. It took several flights for mine to clear up.
Wow, even the copper washer leaked on the bottom. Maybe its metal fatigue with the copper or the torque lessens over time. I never see that on cars. Locktite is used on automotive fastener threads; medium of high strength.
Very informative. Seems strange to have so much trouble sealing an oil filter. You have 50 cars and I bet none of them dump oil out the filter. I have never had a filter leak in 50 years. Planes should be just a little more reliable and yet this company is killing people with a leaky seal. Unbelievable.
Exactly. TBH, the whole private airplane industry needs to come together and get the regs revamped with some modern options.
It’s not the oil filter that was leaking. It’s the oil filter ADAPTER that is leaking where it mounts to the oil pump on the engine case.
Many of these engines never had a full flow, screw-on oil filter. Instead, a simple coarse screen was all that between the sump and oil pump gears.
This product that is the subject of the AD was a solution to allow people to use oil filters on their Continental engines.
The problem was this fiber gasket between the adapter and the engine case.
This most recent solution of replacing the lower gasket with the Teflon (PTFE)-stainless steel washer should be the permeant fix these owners need.
This explains what the issue is: aeroaccessories.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Stratus-SB-001_Rev-C.pdf
In electronics when we wabt a screw to stay in place without too much torque, nail polish was used (choose your color!).
The word you were looking for was “torque stripe”. I’m not sure if you can check it on preflight on a Centurion but if you can make sure it’s not broken. 19:16
That's funny. Just heard a radio call in the background referring to Meadows Field in Bakersfield California. Just two blocks from my house.
That's a layered stainless steel with Delrin that is infused with Teflon. Stainless steel is for structural integrity. The Delran is for a crushable element probably somewhere in the vicinity of about 20 to 25 ft lb of applied force. And the Teflon is to keep it heat resistant. I would have thought that the copper would have worked however when I see those copper crushable gaskets, they are not an ideal design. They should be flattened with more contact surface, and the surface should be ridged so as to create a seal much like the banjo bolt on a caliper on your car that has copper gaskets that work wonderfully.
Remember you can still fly with out engine but not wings ;) dont be stressed trust your training.
Those guys hooked you up bigtime
great repair cost, kudos to the shop that did this!!
Only just one go wrong in what? You have proven it. Very proud as this goes. Bye the way I'm only 60% into this. I'm gonna see and hope for life saving fortitude.
Was expecting to see Wayne Carini walking around!
He was there :)
A case of a fix causing more issues than the original equipment. I flew a GO300 for many hours with the old fashion screen. the engine TBO was 1100 hours with the Screen and 1100 hours with a spin on filter. you just have to keep an eye on things.
How could anyone pick just one ? They, the cars, are all beautiful. Sell all of yours for one, never !
NEXT ITEM...CHANGE THAT N#...nothing good will come from tripple 6😂..Glad you got the fix. I always do a test flight after any Maintenance. Stay above the airport orbit to 5k and hold pattern for at least 30 min. Put that in your bag to stay alive. Awsome Super cars!
You really do a great job with these videos, gotta say. But dude, please don't stack risks and please add an A&P to the entourage. Pretty please? I know I know -- he probably wouldn't have caught that filter adapter AD "suggestion" unless he was type focussed, but still.
By the way the oil change in my power stroke is equivalent to airplane other than I do the oil change myself so it's $156 saved 😁 I use four gallons in every oil change.
great video Jeff thumbs up love the show !
Sounds like this makes you wish you had stuck with just cars! :)
23:10 LAMBO UTEz!!! they did a SPORT UTILITY VEHIKLE back in the 80s BEFORE IT WAS ''COOL'' IT WAS KOOOOL!!!!!!! :)
at least I remember hearing about them in the deserts while in the Navy in the 80s....
*Original Lambo UTE production was subsidised by Italian taxpayers. Lambo developed it in response to a RFP from the Italian Army, built and delivered them, then "civilised" it for public sale.*
@@blackrifle6736 I remember reading a HOT ROD while on WESPAK on the USS OKINAWA in the 80s about some SHEEQ in DUBI's ''PRIVITE POLICE FORCE'' used them to scoot around int he desert..... TOPGEAR or one of them actually drove one of them... way way not a normal supercar lol hahahahahaha well not that i been in a lot of lambos but lol eh
It's sad that you all have to put disclaimers in or defend every video from " the professionals" that sit behind the keyboard and criticize every decision.
Can I send you all the T-shirt saying " Do you remember when I asked your opinion, yeah neither do I?
Keep the love for flying going and keep learning from the pilots you have teaching you.
Have you looked into an alternative to the Stratus adapter? There is an Airwolf remote filter setup that is much better engineered. What setup is in your other 210; is it equipped with a filter?
I spied Marvel Mystery Oil. Do you add that to the fuel? We used to do that on the Turbocharged engines. I don't know if it mattered, but that was the shop talk.
Love the channel - great video tonight!
Glad you enjoy it!
*A/P and racing Techs know this and you should too: When you need to instantly see if something has rotated or moved, paint a thin, bright pink or yellow stripe of DyChem Torque Seal or Bäder Lackfabrik's Schraubensicherungslack (fastener indicating lacquer) between the movable object(s) and a fixed location. Enough with the dramas and uncertainties. Clicks and views are not worth dying for. Capiche?*
PTFE, polytetrafluoroethylene is the chemical name for Teflon.
If those ptfe seals fail why not use Dowty washers (bonded seals) been around for years ?
Substitute the word "polytetrafluoroethelyene" (PTFE) for Teflon even though Teflon is a DuPont trademark. No idea why Carbon fiber was used, it is not flexible. I would have thought that a Silicone-rubber washer should be able to seal with heat and pressure. Rubber has limitations but silicone helps to overcome any limitations with heat and resilience.Yeah. i can understand and agree with your frustration with the FAA.
this plane doesn't have a gas guage?? lol Jeffrie getting a piggy back ride was hilarious
It does, but it’s always good to double check :)
Also apply a coat of EZ-Turn lubricant to the lower gasket. I have used it for years
That sounds like a terrible idea.
Deviation from the instructions found in the AD and the Service Bulletin the AD references would mean deliberate non compliance.
Torque values for the fasteners are very carefully calculated to provide adequate preload and clamping forces on the gaskets.
These torque values are based on using engine oil and only engine oil on the threads and surfaces called for.
The new lower gasket here is stainless steel with an impregnated, Teflon (PTFE) surface. It’s friction characteristics have already been considered when the torque values were calculated.
When you add another lubricant to a surface not designed for it, the torque applied to the fastener will often over-compress the gasket(s), causing them to leak or fail.
Again, please do not encourage or advocate for maintenance providers to deviate from specific instructions found in maintenance documents, especially those referenced in an AD.
"polytetrafluoroethylete" is PTFE aka Teflon. PTFE is great for chemical resistance. Probably a $30 washer though.
Glad the repairs went well and not too costly. Those cars were awesome, but far too rich for my poor finances! lolol
You should be in the left seat getting dual??? Are your pilots not CFI's?
Why not take the Citation to car week?
Stacked washers, even crushable, doesn’t seem like a good idea, how did that ever become the fix the first time…..and it’s still allowed even though there’s a better option!
Love the content for planes, but planes aren’t cars guys. Nowdays I’m quite surprise on the desicion making about flying a plane that almost have a engine failure into a long trip after that. Be safe guys, don’t play with luck and more after no pre inspection planes like this one.
Great video. Thank you.
The Airport in Eatonville, Wa is for sale…
Nothing stupid about a service bulletin regardless of how stupid the part is. You're doing everybody a favor including the families who if not had the same grace of a solution. 18:13 some say there's not enough grab your attention safety tips out there for young pilots. Good to see you yell it.
It looks terribly cramped in that C210A - a Commander 115 with a 47 inch wide cabin is hard to beat for comfort and smooth landings.
8500 above sea level ? How does that work when in areas like colorado. Where the land is that height?
I agree, you must get your license
Lots of “drama” talking about a simple issue, and one that should have been flushed out had the AD’s been addressed ahead of time, no? The 210 is already notorious for several maintenance issues, so a new owner might want to run through all the known AD items thoroughly.
The AD was done, but point is, doing the AD doesn’t solve the issue in my opinion. Upgrading to the new gasket seems to solve it.
why does the inside of that 210 look smaller than a 182?
It’s basically a 182 cabin, the early 210s
Remove and throw it away as far as possible. Problem still around and never got resolved. I got few of those on the shelf new that I removed.
................Koenigsegg ...All the way !!! And it's Washington (You need a spell checker) ...LOL Thanks for sharing !!!
Copper is used because it's a softer metal, and conforms pretty easily....
At 9:39, what is dripping out of the wing?
I can't believe that there is a $2 airplane part.
Please tell me you conducted an after maintenance safety flight, without passengers, before you headed off on a cross country with 3 people. Please tell me you left the safety flight out of the video, please.
Why are yall so far behind Monterey car week was in the summer
is that opening flyover from san martin airport?
Having 666 in your callsign can’t help
Really hot guys get a PPL !
Awesome
With you two no room in that plane
time to summit a registration change on that bird... too many 6's
Fun to watch but I’m not really into cars. I’m an airplane guy. Fun to watch though.
Hi Bros,
This vlog was showing an overlap from JR Aviation to JR Garage but was interesting anyways. The Cessna 210A did fly perfectly after the engine had some well done service so that’s good news.
I look forward to your next vlog and send you love from the Netherlands
Its going to leak again. You should re torque that adapter after a few hours of flying. Or just take it off and put a screen back in it. That adapter is terrible design
Tempest now says not to re-torque after five hours according to my research.
@@JRAviation it's your plane. Keep an eye on it.
It’s a bad design, just remove the aftermarket oil adapter and go back to factory stock. 😊
*Factory stock is a 1930s-era, VW-Beetle-like screen.*
Awesome cars, but sadly, not a single one made in America.
Ford Mustang at 23:04
Why fly into Palo Alto if you're going to be in Monterey?
Monterrey landing is crazy $
Where did you land? That wasn't Palo Alto shown for the landing.
Talk about team work apparently he raised you up to be more than you could be
Just call it PTFE, brand name Teflon
Well that would have been easier haha!
Yah your 2 Dollar gasket is now 100.bucks typically of Av. Fixes
That number 666 is not my favorite lol
How long did it take to puke 9 gts of oil out?
Hasn’t leaked anything
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I would have done a test flight/orbit first...
Triple 6 ?
Torque stripe
If you have a CFI with you to fly, why are you not in the right seat getting time? Youre more concerned with just videoing than trying to get your PPL done.
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PTFE, teflon
Why would you load a problematic plane with 3 souls for testing out the effectiveness of a repair? Not smart.