@@si4632 it’s funny, how all the England players from era always pick John Barnes in their greatest team and I suppose the goal against Brazil wasn’t bad either the performance against Argentina when he came off the bench in the World Cup pretty good free kick against Holland .
Rose tinted glasses. What a silly comment. Barnes was aweful for England. He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports! He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball. His shooting was off target most of the times. He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players?? Lay of the drugs. He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc.
One of our finest but most underrated mid-fielders..people talk the likes of Gerrard and Beckham but Barnes,in his prime,was right up their with them..he was absouluely phenomenal.
Rose tinted glasses. What a silly comment. Barnes was aweful for England. He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports! He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball. His shooting was off target most of the times. He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players?? Lay of the drugs. He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc.
4-4-2 was really such a limiting formation. Barnes in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 as we have nowadays would have been amazing. Very good player indeed, but people like him and Hoddle were limited in the formations and tactics of the time, especially with England.
Yep, the 1990 squad was designed for the 4/2/3/1..but Barnes and Waddle needed to be played as inverted forwards, closer to midfield and able to interlink with Robson and Lineker up front .
Easily one of the more underated england players, always hear about beckham, gerrard, moore.. never hear anyone talk about Barnes which is a shame, in his prime he was world class
Rose tinted glasses. What a silly comment. Barnes was aweful for England. He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports! He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball. His shooting was off target most of the times. He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players?? Lay of the drugs. He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc. For LIVERPOOL he was amazing . . . . For England he was a waste of space
Rose tinted glasses. What a silly comment. Barnes was aweful for England. He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports! He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball. His shooting was off target most of the times. He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players?? Lay of the drugs. He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc. For LIVERPOOL he was amazing . . . . For England he was a waste of space
@@craiggibbons8228 ENGLAND were awful during his time and are even worse now😂😂😂😂😂. They left Barnes on the bench in 86 and he came on for 18 mins and left Argentina in a spin. It’s never coming home 😂😂😂😂
If John Barnes would of come on against Argentina Sooner in Mexico 86… we would of won that game and the Tournament it’s what we needed too little too late on the day🤝World class🤝
Grow up you silly little person. Rose tinted glasses. What a silly comment. Barnes was aweful for England. He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports! He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball. His shooting was off target most of the times. He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players?? Lay of the drugs. He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc.
Rose tinted glasses. What a silly comment. Barnes was aweful for England. He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports! He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball. His shooting was off target most of the times. He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players?? Lay of the drugs. He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc. For LIVERPOOL he was amazing . . . . For England he was a waste of space
He was not the most skillfull. Go and get your eyes tested. Paul Gascoigne was our most skillful player. Every England player states it! Barnes goal against Brazil he does not even dribble it really. He does one feint to the right to pass his man.. then runs in a straight line and no one from Brazil makes a tackle on him. They just stand there. Very bad defending So it's hardly a world class goal.
Would have been more successful with England if was playing nowadays undoubted talent. forget all the criticism he took in the white of England a natural talent on the left we could do with now.
How Bobby Robson used John Barnes and Chris Waddle was wrong...he should have pushed them infield much more to have better contact with the main striker (Lineker) and drift out when needed for width..This would have given them 50% better cutting edge up front..Gascoigne would have been irrelevant..having said that Bryan Robson being injured in 1990 was a massive blow, the anchor man...
@@kailashpatel1706 tricky for Robson the English culture was the 442 system would of been hard for him to try something different..but would of been interesting to see a manager build a team around Barnes Waddle and Hoddle talents. That why I give him kudus for changing the system during Italia 90 not a surprise that Gazza shone in that system.
@@Project5am I hear your point but Venables was urging in 1990 that change to get the most out of Waddle and Barnes..Terry would have got that team from 1985-90 playing much better, remember the slow start to Mexico?..There were no excuses..
@@kailashpatel1706 Venables managing England in the mid 80s would of been a bold choice especially after the Euro 88 disaster. Would got the best out of those players for sure Not sure if he would of been more successful than he was when he took over mid 90s as the English club culture was getting more slightly flexible tactics wise post italia 90 birth of the premier league. Added post earlier on Barnes talking about playing for England under Robson th-cam.com/video/Ld_QrIRIqx4/w-d-xo.html
Worth a watch hearing Barnesy talk about the differences of playing for England and Liverpool... th-cam.com/video/Ld_QrIRIqx4/w-d-xo.html Just by watching the goals in this clip you can see how rigged his role was for England...that Uruguay goal was also magnificent effect.
yeah, back then a player was judged according how much running he did in training. Barnes was never a runner of marthons, he was a finess player and should have been coached accordingly. The Enland manager at the time talked of how he wanted Barnes to play like he did for his club, yet he was never coache like he did at his club. As soon an England manager gets a squad together then first thing he thinks of is getting them 'fit', as if they weren't already for their club. The result is a team who always seems to leave their best playing on the training pitch. Hopefully we've learned a bit more since.
If Barnes had been playing against Argentina from the start in the 86 World Cup final I think England would have won that game!!. He frightened the life out of the Argentinians!!
That first goal shown, can you imagine in these days the exposure that would get. Current day Man city would’ve signed him for £100 mill on the strength of that goal alone.
No. The refused to acknowledge it because its NOT THAT GOOD. He cuts in and runs in a straight line. Then he dips to the right to go past 1 man, that's fine.... Everyone in football does that..... Then however the rest of the move is just him running in a straight line were not one player puts in a tackle and simply stands there and let's him go past them, dink left and then shoot. Hardly great when the defence refuses to put in a tackle. Incidently that was one of the worst performing Brazil sides of the era.
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In my opinion one of the greatest players to ever wear the England shirt
Not only to wear a jersey but also one of the best ever to put on a jersey
🤣his best performance in a england shirt was with the band new order
@@si4632 it’s funny, how all the England players from era always pick John Barnes in their greatest team and I suppose the goal against Brazil wasn’t bad either the performance against Argentina when he came off the bench in the World Cup pretty good free kick against Holland .
maybe the long ball era@@anthonymooney8636
Rose tinted glasses.
What a silly comment.
Barnes was aweful for England.
He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports!
He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball.
His shooting was off target most of the times.
He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players??
Lay of the drugs.
He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc.
One of our finest but most underrated mid-fielders..people talk the likes of Gerrard and Beckham but Barnes,in his prime,was right up their with them..he was absouluely phenomenal.
Rose tinted glasses.
What a silly comment.
Barnes was aweful for England.
He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports!
He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball.
His shooting was off target most of the times.
He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players??
Lay of the drugs.
He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc.
John Barnes at his best was unbelievable Beckham wishes he could be as good Barnes is levels above Beckham
4-4-2 was really such a limiting formation. Barnes in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 as we have nowadays would have been amazing. Very good player indeed, but people like him and Hoddle were limited in the formations and tactics of the time, especially with England.
Yep, the 1990 squad was designed for the 4/2/3/1..but Barnes and Waddle needed to be played as inverted forwards, closer to midfield and able to interlink with Robson and Lineker up front .
Easily one of the more underated england players, always hear about beckham, gerrard, moore.. never hear anyone talk about Barnes which is a shame, in his prime he was world class
He was better than all of those.
Gerrard was crap for England
@@liamdunphy7496 better than Lampard or Scholes for England
@@liamdunphy7496 So was Barnes. Both class for Liverpool, which is what counts.
NA NOT SCHOLES LOL@@chrisbayes2972
England didn't really allow him to operate in a free role unlike Liverpool did, but imo always performed well in the more rigid role he was given....
Always stifle our truly gifted players with England, still happening now with this current crop
Just the 79 caps , should have been 100. The disrespect he was shown by his own fans was appalling
Don't wake the woke brigade
Rose tinted glasses.
What a silly comment.
Barnes was aweful for England.
He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports!
He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball.
His shooting was off target most of the times.
He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players??
Lay of the drugs.
He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc.
For LIVERPOOL he was amazing . . . . For England he was a waste of space
One of the greats
Rose tinted glasses.
What a silly comment.
Barnes was aweful for England.
He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports!
He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball.
His shooting was off target most of the times.
He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players??
Lay of the drugs.
He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc.
For LIVERPOOL he was amazing . . . . For England he was a waste of space
@@craiggibbons8228 ENGLAND were awful during his time and are even worse now😂😂😂😂😂. They left Barnes on the bench in 86 and he came on for 18 mins and left Argentina in a spin. It’s never coming home 😂😂😂😂
Wow that first goal still gets ya, hard to believe it was his first goal for England.
That Gascoigne taking a piggy back ride....😁😁😁
Gazza was Milles better
Legend
If John Barnes would of come on against Argentina Sooner in Mexico 86… we would of won that game and the Tournament it’s what we needed too little too late on the day🤝World class🤝
Grow up you silly little person.
Rose tinted glasses.
What a silly comment.
Barnes was aweful for England.
He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports!
He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball.
His shooting was off target most of the times.
He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players??
Lay of the drugs.
He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc.
After that amazing first goal he could never replicate that unfair of people to expect that
Same with Owen.
The most skilful player for England ever
Rose tinted glasses.
What a silly comment.
Barnes was aweful for England.
He scored a couple of goals, but REGULARLY got a rating of 4 out of 10 in the match reports!
He was always trying to dribble his way past everyone and kept getting caught because he tried to always go that one man extra, and would end up LOOSING the ball.
His shooting was off target most of the times.
He has a few decent games or moments in a game and you say he is one of England's best ever players??
Lay of the drugs.
He was nowhere near as good as Charlton, Robson, Gazza, etc.
For LIVERPOOL he was amazing . . . . For England he was a waste of space
He was not the most skillfull.
Go and get your eyes tested.
Paul Gascoigne was our most skillful player.
Every England player states it!
Barnes goal against Brazil he does not even dribble it really.
He does one feint to the right to pass his man.. then runs in a straight line and no one from Brazil makes a tackle on him.
They just stand there.
Very bad defending
So it's hardly a world class goal.
Délicatesse 😊😊😊
Barnseyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Would have been more successful with England if was playing nowadays undoubted talent. forget all the criticism he took in the white of England a natural talent on the left we could do with now.
How Bobby Robson used John Barnes and Chris Waddle was wrong...he should have pushed them infield much more to have better contact with the main striker (Lineker) and drift out when needed for width..This would have given them 50% better cutting edge up front..Gascoigne would have been irrelevant..having said that Bryan Robson being injured in 1990 was a massive blow, the anchor man...
@@kailashpatel1706 tricky for Robson the English culture was the 442 system would of been hard for him to try something different..but would of been interesting to see a manager build a team around Barnes Waddle and Hoddle talents. That why I give him kudus for changing the system during Italia 90 not a surprise that Gazza shone in that system.
@@Project5am I hear your point but Venables was urging in 1990 that change to get the most out of Waddle and Barnes..Terry would have got that team from 1985-90 playing much better, remember the slow start to Mexico?..There were no excuses..
sorry not excuses but Venables was far more inventive..
@@kailashpatel1706 Venables managing England in the mid 80s would of been a bold choice especially after the Euro 88 disaster. Would got the best out of those players for sure Not sure if he would of been more successful than he was when he took over mid 90s as the English club culture was getting more slightly flexible tactics wise post italia 90 birth of the premier league.
Added post earlier on Barnes talking about playing for England under Robson
th-cam.com/video/Ld_QrIRIqx4/w-d-xo.html
Sans changer de régime😊
Love John barns only scouser I do..🤣
The racism this man faced by his OWS FANS in an England shirt makes his accomplishments for England even more remarkable...
Worth a watch hearing Barnesy talk about the differences of playing for England and Liverpool...
th-cam.com/video/Ld_QrIRIqx4/w-d-xo.html
Just by watching the goals in this clip you can see how rigged his role was for England...that Uruguay goal was also magnificent effect.
1:30 looks weird when he picks it. Glad they changed the ruling on back pass
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How was he ever on the bench in 86??? Nonsense.
yeah, back then a player was judged according how much running he did in training. Barnes was never a runner of marthons, he was a finess player and should have been coached accordingly. The Enland manager at the time talked of how he wanted Barnes to play like he did for his club, yet he was never coache like he did at his club. As soon an England manager gets a squad together then first thing he thinks of is getting them 'fit', as if they weren't already for their club. The result is a team who always seems to leave their best playing on the training pitch. Hopefully we've learned a bit more since.
If Barnes had been playing against Argentina from the start in the 86 World Cup final I think England would have won that game!!. He frightened the life out of the Argentinians!!
@@liamthompson2604 hindsight eh. Couldnt handle him.
England Top player Liverpool best player
Avec lineker 😅
England
Barnes and wadles ❤ the best england players all time!!
That first goal shown, can you imagine in these days the exposure that would get.
Current day Man city would’ve signed him for £100 mill on the strength of that goal alone.
Wonderful goal against Brazil even though a minority of the England fans refused to acknowledge the goal purely because it was scored by Barnes
No.
The refused to acknowledge it because its NOT THAT GOOD.
He cuts in and runs in a straight line.
Then he dips to the right to go past 1 man, that's fine.... Everyone in football does that.....
Then however the rest of the move is just him running in a straight line were not one player puts in a tackle and simply stands there and let's him go past them, dink left and then shoot.
Hardly great when the defence refuses to put in a tackle.
Incidently that was one of the worst performing Brazil sides of the era.
Has no clue who passes to him.
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