Jesus, the Law, and a "New" Covenant
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- The Department of Near Eastern Studies presented a Mendenhall Symposium at the University of Michigan - Law, Society, and Religion on October 6, 2016 at 7:00pm. Professor Bart Ehrman was the Keynote speaker, with the subject title: Jesus, the Law, and a "New" Covenant. The symposium took place at the Rackham Auditorium in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The Mendenhall Symposium and Keynote Lecture are made possible by the George E. Mendenhall Fund.
Jesus of Nazareth was a Torah-observant Jewish teacher whose followers, after his death, came to adopt a variety of attitudes toward the Law of Moses. Some of them insisted on strict observance; others argued that only parts of the Law needed to be observed; and yet others claimed that Law had never been part of God’s plan. These early Christian groups did, however, agree on one point: Jesus’ own words were to form the basis for his followers’ ethical and communal lives. This lecture will examine how the Christian faith moved from embracing the “old” covenant focused on Torah to adopting a “new” covenant centered on the life, death, and teachings of Jesus.
Program discussed on Bart Ehrman's Foundation Blog: ehrmanblog.org/?p=11971
Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He came to UNC in 1988, after four years of teaching at Rutgers University. At UNC he has served as both the Director of Graduate Studies and the Chair of the Department of Religious Studies. A graduate of Wheaton College (Illinois), Professor Ehrman received both his Masters of Divinity and Ph.D. from Princeton Theological Seminary, where his 1985 doctoral dissertation was awarded magna cum laude.
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Dr. Ehrman, you give a long-committed Christian like myself a lot to think about. And as difficult as the answers are to accept, I am grateful to you for uncovering the truth. Thank you, Sir.
Isaiah 1:18
"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD..."
So let us reason. :-)
And how can anyone reason without using evidence and intellect?
Otherwise the call for reason makes no sense. After all, God Almighty gave us a mind and the ability to think for a purpose.
The Bible says:
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
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Jesus Christ himself said:
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord OUR God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the
first commandment.” Mark 12:29-30.
So, contrary to the teachings of most members of the clergy, Jesus (peace be upon him) did not want his followers to believe everything they were told on “blind faith,” but he wanted his followers to believe “with all thy mind.” He wanted us to THINK in order to protect his words from corruption. Let us comply with the teaching of God's elect messenger, Jesus Christ (pbuh), and see where the truth and our minds will lead us.
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NOTE: The LORD in Isaiah is NOT for Jesus. :-)
I'm Muslim who is very interested in early Christianity and I find your lectures very informative, thanks
The Quran is not perfectly preserved
I have a deep interest in religions and cults. They are fascinating.
@@alpacamaster5992 Sounds jealous.
@@alpacamaster5992 What about the Masoretic Text?
@@alpacamaster5992 Because that's relevant right now
I could listen to Bart all day. Help me God! I'm an atheist who digs the bible!
Deacon Verter study it as ancient religious literature. That's what it is. It is a fascinating insight into the human condition.
My OpenMind I agree. Imagine if you found some ancient religious manuscripts as voluminous as the bible. You would be rich beyond rich. The bible is at once savage and barbaric, and priceless.
And your name is Deacon. :)
It is just so damn well written. I refer to the figurative devices often in my advanced comp classes. Is that why it is so believable to some people. Fantastic writing.
Dorie LaRue What? Well written? The bible is one of the worst written books of books ever inked. I read it as a window into our ancient past and for the little history gleaned from between its hyperbolic lines, but its always a chore. Dr. Suess is better and more moral!
I love it when he says by the end of the lecture that the Ebionites may have represented the earliest form of Christianity and what end up declared a heresy may have been the original form. I think that this is one of the most important points he made in this lecture.
Church Fathers would dispute this point.
I appreciate Dr. Bart Ehrman honest perspective and research on the bible.
Thank you for taking longer than 30 sec to for that last question. Your summary to why christianity often finds itself intertwined with anti-semitism/judaism despite being originally based on it was absolutely brilliant and should be taught to every american. They should teach that in schools to all. It explains so very much.
Thank you Bart!. You have explained so much and cleared a lot of what I always questioned.
I appreciate the Bible more now that I understand the historian point of view than when I was an evangelical.
Which view would that be?? He quotes the SAME book as fact and questionable... doesnt explain how one sentence is "we know" and another is "we arent sure". Only raises more questions for me.
@@zamiel3 What questions?
iel that is a good thing. Keep questioning. Christianity teaches not to question, and believe through faith...so please keep questioning!
@@bigpappajr7854 who told it not teaches to ask? Jesus ask questions
Brilliant, as ever Professor Ehrman, and, as ever, much appreciated!
Excellent lecture hopefully to watch more in the future.
Thanks Dr.Bart Ehrman.
I wish Christians were curious enough to seek or even consider this.
Or actually read the Bible and consider honestly how messed up it is. Ex. Here’s the “hero” Moses:
“Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.”
Numbers 31:17-18 ESV
Professor Erman is simply fantastic when it comes to a clear conveying of very deep topics. Highly informative lecture.
Thanks for the wise, reasonable and humorous lecture .
Another brilliant presentation from Dr. Bart Ehrman. I have almost all his books, and his "Great Courses" DVDs. He always uses the scriptures to support his arguments: he is never fanciful or inventive to make a point. Yes, brilliant !
So far I’m liking what I’m hearing and I already know where you’re taking this. 👍
3:55 to get to Bart...
11:30 to skip past THE SAME DAMN INTRO he gives every time he gets in front of more than six people.
So true, I can never remember if I've seen a video or not because of the repetition of this.
Thx for the second skip 👍🏼
LOL! Thanks for saving me almost 12 minutes!
Thx dude.
Every f%$÷* time 😂
very Informative clear lecture.
Another impressive lecture from Bart Ehrman. Once again, well delivered and very interesting.
I've bought two of Bart's books and thoroughly enjoyed them. Highly recommended.
you should get them all ;) it's worthwhile
Great lecture. I recommend it to all my christian acquaintances. There is nothing like knowledge to open the eyes and dispel antiquated superstitious beliefs.
I love to listen to Bart!
Fascinating lecture. Always a pleasure listening to Dr. Erhman.
Learned about the concept of "covenant" in Old Testament Survey. Explaining what it was like to be Jewish in Jesus' time in four minutes is a miracle.
Great lecture by Dr.Bart Ehrman
I commend Bart for his understanding of the events and theologies of Jesus's time. There is little that I can say to dispute what he teaches. There are some but I would tell him myself.
Thank you, Bart Ehrman, for sharing with us your brilliant intellect, impressive scholarship, and sense of fairplay. Your presentations are always balanced, with excellent support material. Proud to say I have all your books and "Great Courses" DVD lectures. /
I like Dr Bart Ehrman debates and leactures and i have bought all his books he is excellent scholar.
Insight Curiosity. Me too
He is a delusional FOOL.
@@flyingdog1498 lol that's the spirit!
see people, this is why one should not skip the intros. You get this wacky kind of shit.
That last question, an off-the-cuff summation of antisemitism and christianity, was amazingly lucid and informative. Glad you gave it a bit more than 30 seconds.
Great lecture. If you have heard other lectures by Dr Ehrman you may want to start at the 11 minute mark, where he begins with new material.
I really learn a lot from your lectures. Many thanks
@William Lane Craig: Can you please mention some of problems in Quran? if you can find any? :)
Conservative Christian Commentary So that is best you can come up with? 1. is taking stories from other sources a problem ? 2. Were those gnostic gospels available at the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)? 3. Which story and gnostic gospels are you referring to be precise?
I learn Bart picks and chooses what part of the same book he wants to use as fact. Don't know how he does it with a straight face.
I just have to say something about "anointed one": yes, in reference to kings, "Messiah" started as kings with Saul, but before this, it was for the high priest in the Law, as in Leviticus 4. This kind of helps Jesus's kingship and priesthood passages dovetail in respect to their understanding of these things in the Bible. I guess it goes together with what he was saying about how some Jews felt that the Messiah-to-come would be a priestly figure. Bart probably knew this, but was just being brief, though I also wanted to say for anyone else.
Bart's books translated into many languages. People seem to be hungry to know more. That seems like a good thing.
Unless the translators change things up, we’ve all seen the dangers of parablepsis ocassioned by homoeuteluton.
If we can get people to recognize and understand the actual, accurate history of the Bible and to view it without their god-glasses on, then less religiosity and more atheism is inevitable... and that’s ALWAYS a good thing.
I have been appreciating your point of view. thank you.
It appears that Jesus was a Jew from the Middle East and he was an outstanding person and teacher of Jewish law. And little did he had to do anything about Christianity. I think Mr. Paul infused Jewish monotheism with Roman paganism to attract the pagans to his cult. It's my humble opinion, not to offend anyone but to encourage critical reasoning.
This is a very interesting thought indeed. Having now taken notes to a bunch of Ehrman's lectures, I think that you are proably right in your claims about "Mr. Paul." :-) I believe that we also see this "influsion" of Jewish monotheism with Roman paganism in things like the development of the Christian ideas of Heaven and Hell.
@@rohmann000 I used to think of Paul as mixing Judaism with paganism, but I don't any more. I actually have come to understand him more in the context of Israel's expectations for its own redemption and the redemption of the nations who would find God through the example of Israel. Paul speeds up the process by saying that the nations have found Israel's messiah before Israel did. Which is extraordinary, with or without paganism!
I agree. Muslims have been saying basically the same thing for the last 1400 years.
I'll go further. It does not make any sense that Paul was a Jew, and especially not a Pharisee. Pharisees were the orthodox Jews of the time--the most observant, and they lived in Jerusalem. Paul was a pagan Greek from Tarsus, which is in current-day Turkey. If Paul were a pharisee why would he instruct Jews to not obey the laws and say that the laws were a curse? And why he write his letters in Greek--he would have written in Hebrew or at least Aramaic? But his original manuscripts were in Greek. Paul was nothing more than a "politician" who assumed the persona of whomever he needed to be to pander to whomever he was preaching--and he specifically admitted this in his writings.
His creation of Christianity had nothing to do with how the messiah was described in the old testament. It was pagan from beginning to end--the resurrection, the dying for sin--that's all pagan. And as time went on, the church fathers just made it worse--cannibalistic rituals of eating the body and blood, the trinity, and the parallels between the "son" and the "sun" --all pagan. Constantine was happy to call himself a Christian as he barely had to change any of his beliefs.
@@MrTrashcan1 bravo 👏🏽
I have had the same basic understanding of Paul through my research over the last decade but you put it more eloquently. I also studied what the Muslims believe about Paul , and they give similar reasons why Paul seemed like an impostor. I’m glad today I took this education further and accepted Islam. It was the best decision of my life.
Wow, how he explained the spread of anti-Jewish sentiment in Christianity so succinctly at the end there. So impressive.
Thank you for sharing video.
I learnt a lot about the Bible from this learned scholar Bart D. Ehrman.
I sure do alot
I had so many questions unanswered which my church couldnt answer they tried but makes no sense when i go home n meditate on them i just ran into this man n i tell u alot has been answered
Thank you for sharing this. I found this to be lovely and lively presentation of a complex issue. Your references to student views makes it real and current as well. I love hearing how we "got here"
I hope your next-door neighbor never sees this
This is really interesting stuff.Thank's Bart!
I wish you'd talked more on the various arguments christians use to change the law ,but this is a good overview.
Ron Chappel Ican help with that 😊.
The arguments would be that
#1) Jesus in the gospels seems to say things like “You’ve heard it was said” or “Moses said” and then contrasts that with ”but I say to you” as if superseding Moses and oral-traditions. He makes statements that seem to contradict certain things the Torah says. And clearly says his blood is for the purpose of ratifying a (New) Covenant.
EX:
Matthew 5:33-37 *Oath-taking was perfectly lawful, permissible and even required at times under the Law of Moses. But Jesus clearly says in contrast of this that it is not good nor any longer a thing we should do. This is a change in law.
Mark 7:18-23 * The Torah says that a bunch of things that can go into your mouth can defile you (a number of animals and blood for example) but Jesus say nothing that enters your mouth can defile you. Mark even writes “Thus (we Christians realized) he was cleansing all foods”
Luke 22:20 - *Jesus ratifies, or brings into legal force, his covenant. Basically all the words he had spoken in his ministry would be made official and new “law” upon his death. The law of Moses was ratified with the blood of an animal, a bull. Exodus 24:6-8
#2) Paul is UNDENIABLY in the belief that Jesus comes with a new law that is different from and supersedes the commands of Moses. His work as a whole supports this overwhelmingly.
In 1 Corinthians 9:21 Paul, very interestingly, writes that he is not under the law of the Jews, but then he is QUICK to say that this doesn’t mean he’s lawless because he is under the law of Christ instead, indicating that Christ’s law is a separate law from Moses’ in Paul’s mind.
Acts 15 makes mention of the Jerusalem council where the issue of whether Gentiles need to get circumcised and keep the law to be right with God is hotly brought up. They rule NO. Only that they should just be sexually pure (which Jesus himself commanded) and not eat blood, idol sacrifice meat, and animals that didn’t have their blood drained properly (which some commentators think to be rules for getting a long with Jewish-Christians when with them and not salvation issues 🤷🏾♂️)
Hebrews and Galatians are the two books WHOLLY or largely written and DEDICATED to the explanation of this different law topic. Galatians spend 4-6 chapters trying to convince Christians that there is no need at all to follow Jewish law (in fact warning that it will cut them off from Christ). Hebrews labors to tell it’s audience that the New Covenant is better than the Old which is fading and can no longer grant eternal life in the Kingdom and that both laws cannot be kept in conjunction.
Scripturally you have to believe Paul and the writer of Hebrews are straight up false prophets if you want to believe the New Testament can’t be teaching a change in law. Even in just the gospels some of Jesus teachings are different to or add on to Torah laws (the law permits defensive violence, Jesus preaches loving your enemy as law, turning the other cheek as law and living by the sword as wrong.)
#3) The church fathers and early Christian writings also show us that this understanding of the law (of Moses) not being binding on Christians was not a concept made up later on in the Church...
@youngknowledgeseeker awesome answer and I agree with your point. It would be hard to say that the nt isn’t about fulfilling the old law with the new. As you said, a couple of books make that very clear just in themselves.
A really excellent speaker. A pleasure to listen to, whatever your views on the subject.
I don't think ive ever been this early for a lecture, thanks for the upload professor, cant wait for your debate with robert price.
The 12 year old Jesus story is only in one account and there is nothing wrong with a non Jew sitting on the steps of the Temple. However, I also believe that early Christians either didn't care, made no distinction or twisted the narratives to make him appear as though he was a "Real Jew" . Note also that Paul, calling himself a Benjamite, was NOT a Jew and seems to have little knowledge of the history of the "lost tribes". Actually Paul has little knowledge of ANYTHING AT ALL.
I should also point out that the reference could easily be a reference to the Samaritan Temple at Mount Gerizim in Shiloh.
"The 12 year old Jesus story [...] could easily be a reference to the Samaritan Temple at Mount Gerizim in Shiloh."
Riiiiight, that's why Luke 2:41-46 says "his parents went *to Jerusalem* every year at the feast of the Passover, and when he [Jesus] was 12 years old, they went up according to custom... they returned *to Jerusalem* [and] found him *at the Temple*"
Uhhh.... how could that be the Samaritan Temple, again? C'mon dude. Don't delude yourself, or others.
Duane, could you even provide one single source in the NT that names the Samaritan Temple?
abdallah AlAmeen what a debate that would be!
Hope he debates Dr. Carrier too, it'll be an epic..:)
I would like all of you to think about this for a second; Christianity: The belief that God sacrificed God to God to save God's creation from God! Is this statement true or false?
Isaam Rafee, Your statement is FALSE. God acts in and through Jesus and so God enters into the experience of human suffering, accepting the worst that humans can do and actively transforming that suffering so that it can lead to new life. Thus Jesus shows the love of God to be self-sacrificial and unrestricted.
Isaam Rafee
TRUE
The crucifixion of Jesus under Pontius Pilate is well attested by a number of ancient sources. Bart Ehrman and almost all bona fide biblical scholars endorse this fact that Jesus died by crucifixion.
FALSE
Quran says Jesus was not crucified (Quran 4:157-158). Therefore, Muslims believe Jesus did NOT die on the cross but another man resembling Jesus was the person who was crucified. That is a LIE and FALSE. God is NOT playing some trick to fool people by replacing Jesus with somebody else. That's absurd and an injustice to the victim. It's deceitful and false and comes from the father of lies - Satan / Shayṭān.
AND all because a perfect god made an imperfect being...which even though was LITERALLY INCAPABLE of sinning...sinned...and what was this sin? well your sunday school teacher will say arrogant disobedience and/or trying to be gods...but if you read genesis it was actually...trying to love god more...that is literally what their motivation was. the bible has zero logic or rationale
What do you mean with your terms? What is God, what is sacrificing to God? What do you mean by creation? Answer those and I'll be clear enough to answer your question. I'm waiting.
@@bcjammer The word of god is not a word but God's Logic His wisdom His understanding an that through our eyes if we wish to see. Word >Greek Logos. Hebrew Wisdom. Jesus is the Wisdom of God in bodily form.
like your style l learned so
much
Thanks so much mr ehrman
Bart Ehrman always uses the scriptures to support his arguments, very refreshing.
In Mark 12:28 one of the scribes asked Jesus, Which is the first commandment of all? He answered " The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:”
Brilliant!
Why are we denied the visuals? He has his powerpoint device in his hand for a reason.
Thanks for the lecture. Even if it was given three years ago 🙂
On antisemitism, I can strongly recommend Gavin I Langmuir's two books, "History, Religion and Antisemitism" and "Towards a Definition of Antisemitism". He really does a great job of arguing for the appearance of what can be defined as antisemitism in 13th century France and how it developed into a racism of the modern era.
I think I need to go to Ehrman rehab...I’m out of control addicted. I can’t stop. Help me.
Subversion hahaha
@Matthew Pace where do you get this truth from? Please enlighten us all. Thanks
Why put any in danger at all, Matthew?
Adam and Eve may be symbolic to you, but to most they are TWO people...
Also, wasn't ten commandments originally phrased as 'do not kill a HEBREW'?
@Mark Matthew Pace I guess you missed his intro where he said he is talking about historicity and textual criticism. Bart and I are both, agnostic. Because Faith doesn't work for many of us who were born after the Enlightenment, your arguments from faith sound like someone talking about Hobbits and Garden Gnomes.
And because we see no proof of god, then we fall into the category of atheist. Kind of academic. And Bart has elucidated why he lost his faith. It had to do with suffering. Of which, Epicurus is widely quoted as saying-
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Peace brother-
Love this
Bro greetings, If one day is equal of 1000 years, what is the meaning of evening and morning, did evening consisted of 500 years and morning consisted of 500 years too?
Ann Arbor!! I lived in Ypsilanti and went to school @ Eastern Michigan. Can't wait to see this presentation!
I'm a little surprised that when it comes to Paul interpretation, how that believing in Jesus' death and resurrection, made everyone who believed "right" with God, that there is no mention of the "passover", or John the Baptist claim, "Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world". And of course the "new covenant" that Jesus spoke of the night he was betrayed when Jesus celebrated the passover.
I like listening to Bart's lectures because of the scholarship he brings to the table. However, I do not agree with all his interpretations of the "facts". That is, Bart sees things the way Bart sees things.
You inspire me Sir!
Is it not true the King Cyrus of Persia, when he allowed the Jews to go back to Palestine and rebuild their temple, was referred to as the Messiah?
Facts...
Why does this all make so much sense.
very very insightful ............................... just fits perfectly into what i already suspected.
The Charity Part Touched My Spirit. I will JOIN>>>> It is important will give back as human. Charity Is LOVE.
Charity is what ever you give , which is pure and you give with love.
Prof. Ehrman, may I introduce you to a scholar whom I have come to respect and one who has written extensively on this topic? She is Christine Heyse from Yale, author of the book 'What is Divine about the Law?' I can really recommend it.
Prof. Ehrman begins his lecture at 4:04.
Bart could've made the question more difficult what type of Greek, the answer is Koine Greek which is street Greek.
I found it stunning that in regards to Jesus and the Law, Ehrman more or less only mentions and dismisses sabbath controversies in Christian writings while selectively going over portions of Matthew 5. He does not comment on Jesus prohibition on divorce or oath taking, both of which are in clear opposition to practices in the Torah. The teachings on divorce not only occur in the synoptics but one saying occurs in Paul where he allows an exception to it, while being very careful to distinguish between his words and the Lord's. Jesus' statement on divorce is probably one of the most securest sayings we have on purely historical grounds. We have multiple attestation of source and form, its absolutely in the earliest stratum of material we have, Christians struggled with it as Matthew and Paul softened/modified it and this would lead to some arguing via dissimilarity in favor of it as well. This saying was quite radical at the time. As John Meier wrote,
"By completely forbidding divorce, Jesus dares to forbid what the Law allows--and not in some minor, obscure halakic observance but in one of the most important legal institutions in society. He dares to say that a man who duly follows the Law in properly divorcing his wife and marrying another woman is in effect committing adultery. When one stops to think what this involves, Jesus' prohibition of divorce is nothing short of astounding. Jesus presumes to teach that what the Law permits and regulates is actually the sin of adultery. That is, precisely by conscientiously following the Torah's rules for divorce and remarriage, a Jewish man commits a serious sin against one of the commandments of the Decalogue, the commandment against adultery (Exod 20:14; Deut 5:18). This is no small matter; it is, at least according to the Pentateuch, a capital offense." Marginal V3 pg 113-114
Of course in one instance, Jesus is cited as appealing to the created order in the Garden story as justification for his view on divorce. Ehrman is certainly correct that Jesus was a Palestinian Jew of 1st century Palestine that took the Torah seriously as God's word. If you consider his teachings on divorce in conjunction with the prohibitions against oaths, it is very clear he thinks he can correct parts of God's word. These are not Jesus merely reinterpreting the prescriptions of Moses. Matthew does present Jesus as the new Moses but given his statement on divorce, one might think that an idea like this goes back to Jesus himself or at least his self claims/identity.
Very nice
I'm broke as shit and I'm going to sub. Your blog. I've been sharing your videos for years but just fell in love with you.
@Pol Fartin He's talking about subbing to his blog, which is $24.95 per year. (assuming the price has not changed, and that it still is active)
Barnaba's letter sounds like Jordan Peterson's interpretations of religion
I can totally imagine his weird whiny voice saying “Take heed to yourselves now, and be not made like unto some, heaping up your sins and saying that the covenant is both theirs (the Jews') and ours (the Christians'). It is ours.”
"That depends on what you mean by interpretation ". - JP
Our Heavenly Father said he will Judge and he said it worldwide so every tongue could understand him and he called it Judgement Day
It's a roman and greek religion with a jewish mythology. It's fan fiction.
You don't follow jewish law because it's a completely different culture that came up with the story of Jesus.
Bart, your doing a great job for Jahovah, keep up the good work.
Which work of Jahovah and yet he doesnot believe in him
I can't think of anything sillier that accepting as fact.the bronze age anonymous stories told by fearful,uneducated,superstitious,mysigonistic desert tribesmen in an insignificant desert country..there are eight million species that live,die and are no more.to suggest that one species of the ape family can become exempt from dying by appealing to an invisible,undetectable,celestial dictator is plainly ridiculous.no wonder more and more people are leaving this nonsense where it belongs,in libraries in the section marked Mythology.
Wau! this lecture opened my eyes! thank you!
Some one tried to change this would but unfortunately not succeed because we know what is the real situation in our world.
It depends on who you take counsel from between serving his commandments and Christ was resurrected and loved by many without bloodshed
I think this is an interesting dialog and of couse there are many knowledges we can hear but unfortunately there are lots of us do not know English including myself. So I suggest that this video has indonesia text so that we understand the dialog thank's
I love his dad jokes. He's such a nerd, lol.
Jeżeli byłby przetłumaczone na polski to dlaczego muszę nielegalnie ściągać po angielsku? :( Ohh Bart
can you please explain to me which scirpture says jesus descended from the heavens as a man?
shea tuffery he was referring to a person called Marcion in the first century. Marcion probably wrote some of “Paul’s” books.....
I remember when I was 13 I believed in the bible and a classmate smugly said "If the bible is about ancient times, why was it only written in the 1600's?!" He was probably talking about the KJV.
Your point? That, though he thought you were ignorant, that he was?
I wish I knew when he actually starts saying something.
Great lecture
You're the best. Unbiased and truthful. Unlike James White🙄
Religion of “ antiquity”. A point I had never thought of before.
It is a fortuitous coincidence that the creator of the universe god happened to choose the Jewish people with whom to have a special preferential arrangement.
This was interesting.
My hero!
I find it both funny and a bit disturbing that so many in the comment section thinks they know the scriptures better than Professor Erhman - I can't help thinking that Dunning and Kruger just have to go to comment sections like this one to prove their case for the Dunning-Kruger effect!
Professor Erhman is able to read and translate the earliest known texts we have - he is a distinguished Professor in Theology and Biblical history!
He has read the same bibles as you have - AND the sources they are based upon!
The bible has been his life for more than 45 years by now - but you think you know better than him?
Why? What makes you think that? The things you think are true that doesn't fit with what Professor Ehrman says, how do you know it's true and that you're not just poorly informed?(perhaps from the sources you use)
Plus he grew up Christian so he's familiar with the Bible even beyond academia. He really doesn't get overly cynical he's just saying what he's studied.
Yeah but he does not know the "God ( Alihyim ) of genesis one is not the same entitie(s) as the yhwh alihyim of gen 2:4 ,whom he mistakenly believes is the creator of all things ... oops so much for acadamia when a high school drop out can figure out the most important deception in the history of human kind ! Question , How does one get on the NYT best seller list without selling their soul ?
Some people due know the scriptures better then Bart and correct him all the time, if they are correct and it can be proven, i know a lot of mistakes Bart makes, like Jesus claiming divinity in the Gospel John, he's wrong and it can be proven and not a scholar on earth can say i am wrong. Like John 10:30, i an my father are one and Bart is saying this statement is claiming Jesus is God and that's not true.
The Greek word there is hen and hen in Greek means one in purpose and not heis one in unity and this isn't rocket science and Bart knows this but his old Christian faith makes him say this, to please other Christians. Because Bart used to be Christian and is still holding on his Christian concept of Jesus being God and knows John 10:30 a one means in purpose and he will agree, if you correct him and then either try another verse or not say anything about that subject to you if you correct him, i have debated many Christians that due this every time and then change the subject and move to another verse or stop debating me altogether, because those tricks don't work with me and you can't lie and fool me, like they fool everyone else and it's only their faith that keeps them saying this and not facts. It's like saying well Jesus never claimed divinity or to be equal with God, but that's all we got, so let's run with it, even if it's a little white lie, just get converts and everyone will be saved, because this is what we believe.
Just like the Bible not having mistakes this isn't what they are taught in school at universities, they are taught the different versions manuscripts and mistakes, it's only when they become preachers that everything changes and the Bible is mistake free, because they have to save everyone, so a little white lie like Paul said and tricked people to convert them is OK in Christianity, but any other religion it's Satan himself because they lie to people, but in Christianity to lie is OK, because we are saving everyone.
But Bart does tell the truth but his still holding on with Jesus being God is just his old faith and not facts and the truth.
This video he's spot on with true facts, except Jesus never was Crucified or killed and God saved Jesus from death, because the Hebrews wanted to Crucify him and after God saved Jesus, God took his life and he was raised to heaven.
One - Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
One
[ A-1,Numeral,G1520, heis ]
the first cardinal numeral, masculine (feminine and neuter nominative forms are mia and hen, respectively), is used to signify
(1)
(b) metaphorically, "union" and "concord," e.g., John 10:30; John 11:52; John 17:11, John 17:21-John 17:22; Romans 12:4-Romans 12:5; Philippians 1:27;
This can be done with every verse Christians claim Jesus is God, Bart"s faith must be talking when he said Jesus said he was God and not his Scholarships and knowledge of Greek and Biblical studying of the scriptures. Jesus never claims to be God only a servant and son of God and a prophet and messiah and never God
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John 10:30 in his Young’s Concise Critical Bible Commentary:
“The particle en [hen] being of the neuter gender, can hardly signify ‘one being, i.e. one God,’ but rather ‘one in will, purpose, counsel...” - p. 62, Baker Book House, 1977.
Virtually all modern commentators on John 10:30 take the position that the oneness immediately in view here is a functional oneness, or oneness of will, purpose, and action.
D.A. Carson, The Gospel according to John:
Verses 28-29 affirm that both the Father and the Son are engaged in the perfect preservation of Jesus’ sheep. Small wonder, then, that Jesus can say, I and the Father are one. The word for ‘one’ is the neuter hen, not the masculine heis: Jesus and his Father are not one person, as the masculine would suggest, for then the distinction between Jesus and God already introduced in 1:1b would be obliterated, and John could not refer to Jesus praying to his Father, being commissioned by and obedient to his Father, and so on. Rather, Jesus and his Father are perfectly one in action, in what they do: what Jesus does, the Father does, and vice versa (cf. notes on 5:19ff.). 1
Gerald Borchert, The New American Commentary: John 1-11:
The statement in 10:30 that “I and the Father are one” has been an important battleground of theology. The first matter to note is that the word “one” here is neuter (hen) and not masculine (heis), so the text is not arguing for a oneness of personalities or personae (to use the Latin concept) but rather something akin to a oneness of purpose and will. 2
None other than John Calvin made this same argument centuries ago in his Commentary on the Gospel according to John:
The ancients made a wrong use of this passage to prove that Christ is (ὁμοούσιος) of the same essence with the Father. For Christ does not argue about the unity of substance, but about the agreement which he has with the Father, so that whatever is done by Christ will be confirmed by the power of his Father.
@@lakerstekkenn Have you ever read John chapter 1?
If mortal mam wasn't your God then you'd clearly see through this fool . You're a dog looking to be owned by some heirophant which is why you respect the unrighteous like Dr Bert.." Dr" of course meaning he's a nobody ... I've seen these snakes come and go. They're all witches confusing people. What's really amusing is how fooled you are by a charasmatic leader like this con job .
This is why I'm an atheist. However, I still like to study religion from time to time.
Christians, is the Torah still in effect or not? Please tell us precisely what rules Christians are to obey (and why).
What a genius
Dr Bart Ehrman is a commendable and excellent scholar. The developments are becoming heavier. More and more apologetics are abandoning the view that the bible is free from error.
Quran chapter 2, verse 79
''Woe to those who write the Book themselves and say, "This is from God," so that they may sell it for a small price! Woe unto them for what they have done and for what they have gained!''
1 Corinthians 9: 20
''To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.''
''"when i stop valuing my life that's what i'll do"''... that was obviously meant as a joke :D
Christianity is basic reality and the Bible is being confirmed by archaeological discoveries every year now. Sorry pal! The Qur'an still seems to make some fundamental errors.
LOL! Indeed, virtually every year another one to five archaeological discoveries are backing up the biblical text, sometimes on a large scale as well. The number of supposed 'historical' criticisms of the biblical text today are a mere fraction of what they were some 50 years ago, because archaeology has debunked so many of them and established the biblical text so many times now that keeping up is a task in its own right.
what dream world are you on?
+Sosa Q Dream world? This is blatant reality. Had you done more research before consulting me, you would have known this fact for yourself. I'll go over the *facts* I mentioned in my previous comment, and explain why they are facts.
1. I noted that virtually every year, 1-5 minor to major archaeological discoveries are made to back up the biblical text. The last 3 years have been especially notable. I'll give you one select discovery from 2015, 2016 and 2017 backing up the biblical text and some articles on them.
2017: Mines in Israel, the Timna Valley discovered, dating to the reign of Solomon.
observer.com/2017/01/scientists-just-discovered-a-major-part-of-king-solomons-3000-year-old-mines/
www.reasons.org/blogs/todays-new-reason-to-believe/more-archaeological-evidence-for-the-bibles-historical-accuracy
2016: Biblical latrine literally found.
www.reasons.org/blogs/todays-new-reason-to-believe/more-archaeological-evidence-for-the-bibles-historical-accuracy
2015: Seal of biblical monarch, the king Hezekiah, found
www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-sites-places/jerusalem/king-hezekiah-in-the-bible-royal-seal-of-hezekiah-comes-to-light/
2. I noted that the number of historical attacks against the biblical text have been getting demolished by new data at a rapidly astonishing and fast rate. It's almost 12 PM right now, so I'll give you one quick example and perhaps more at another time.
"Scholars, like Sanders and Fredriksen who have shown skills with scientific inquiry, have concluded that there could be no centurion in Capernaum (Mt. 8), perhaps to guard the border between Galilee and Perea, because no road let from this Jewish village northward or eastward. The recent discovery of a long stretch of perhaps the _via maris_ in Migdal, south of Capernaum, and a massive road near the monumental srairs to the Augusteum at Horvat Omrit, north and northeast of Capernaum, supply evidence that most likely a road existed near Capernaum. If a road led from Beth Shean to Panias, then the objections against a centurion being present in or near Capernaum (Mt. 8.5-13) disappear or are at least muted."
-Charlesworth, James H. "The Historical Jesus in the Fourth Gospel: A Paradigm Shift?." Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus 8.1 (2010): 32.
Charlesworth notes that some scholars in the past have criticized the historicity of Matthew 8:5-13, which states that a centurion was present in the city of Capernaum, as there were no roads from Capernaum north or east. Recent archaeological discoveries have in fact established the presence of such a road, rendering the attack against the historicity of the centurion in Capernaum, as recorded in Matthew 8:5-13, obsolete. I don't know exactly when this road was discovered, but I know this paper by Charlesworth was published just in 2010, making it fairly recent.
There are only nine of the ten commandments reiterated in the NT - the missing one? keeping the sabbath.
You are wrong ----read Mt. 24.20 - Jesus told His followers to still honor the Sabbath in AD 66-70 when Rome should attack Judea and they were to flee from the city of Jerusalem and not one Christian died in the siege
I am looking for eyewitness accounts of the historical Jesus. What non-Bible evidence can be cited that the Jesus existed?
None
The only reference is passing on by a few historians like Jocephus which may or may not have even been historical recordings but rather simply repeated what christians may have been saying at the time
Did Bart say the new covenant replaced the old?
Believers are not now come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18, but are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Sion in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Why did the Apostle Paul compel the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31?
Was the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18?
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The last 10 minutes of this video were extremely powerful and poignant.
That's what I thought when I read the Bible and could not bring my self to accept it anymore.
The Letter of Barnabas (circa 70-120 AD) is in one of the two earliest extant Bibles, the Codex Sinaiticus (circa 350 AD)
Doesn't mean that it's alegitamatebbible translation! Many books at the early times have Gnostic and other heresies in them which is why they were rejected by councils later on. One of the early heresies was the Appolonian heresy which dates from st. Paul's day. These is briefly mention by Paul himself in one of his letters in which it mentions that Priscilla and Aquilla took APOLLONIAS TO Task for teaching wrong theology and leading others astray because of this. Priscilla even apologises because she is a woman and it wasn't right for her to teach someone who proports to be a shepherd of men as it is contrary to scripture. But she feels so strongly along with her husband that it is not of the Good news delivered to them and others by St.Paul.
Our Heavenly Father said love thy neighbors and Christ is his son, do you see love in a Thorn Crown?
David Koresh is a timely example. If you are 45+ years old write down all you know about the branch Davidians without looking at old news footage or reading old articles, but from your own memory. 1993 to 2017 is about the same length of time as it was from Jesus' death to Paul's first writing. How much can you remember about this well-reported group events 20+ years ago?
I think it's just as insightful to use the Kennedy assassination. Which has presumably documents galore, and movies from the event. People are still divided over who actually killed him and why. This is because the meanings we make are not uniquely tied to actions even when those actions are well known.
How would your account differ from a few who experienced it firsthand both inside and out.
I don't think you understand how much verbal recall people had back then, or the capabilities and complexity of the systems they used to memorise certain things (sacred texts)
@@lookatmepleasesir massive assumption to make. There is no evidence that verbal recall was better, how could there be? Nobody was doing verbal recall tests and measuring them. In fact, evidence points away from your assertion, that people are far more intelligent today than ever before. Look at IQ level increase. This doesn't directly correlate with verbal recall, but it does point to a general increase in human intellectual performance.
@krelfurnace well said, but I wouldn't dismiss the relationship between memory and iq. There is a single side causal relationship between the two; that is, people with high IQs generally have better longterm memory, while people with long term memory, may not have high IQs. I would also reassert that people are far more intelligent today, this is well documented over the last half century, although it is sadly going away now (search Flynn effect). It has to do with selection and nurturing. Children today have to be better at intellectual pursuits to survive in the modern world, so it is selected for in mating and nurtured in institutes of education. Also, sorry for the month long lapse, apparently youtube didn't want to notify me until now haha
Sadly few religions really teach the essence of the LAW which is LOVE (respect, honor).
Pr.Bart 's best lecture because the Focus on the Law is Key. There is one law: of Moses and update of Muhammad. Jesus followed Moses. Many refs in OT. Likeness of moses to muhammad, Deut 18:18. Follow the final CLEAR message. Ouran. Read it, you will recognise it. Put your mind at rest.
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