How Sound Design Makes Games Feel Lonely

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    Sound design is an incredibly important part of games and really all media that sometimes doesn’t get the attention it deserves. The way sound designers are able to communicate ideas and emotions through sounds alone is incredibly fascinating, and I’ve found myself being drawn to how sounds relate to one particular emotion: loneliness. With so many of my favorite titles from Outer Wilds to Breath of the Wild to Hollow Knight to Dark Souls to Journey exploring themes of solitude, designers have to find ways to make games sound lonely, so I tried to look into some of the sounds and techniques that I find make me feel lonely when I hear them.
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  • @Patterrz
    @Patterrz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1213

    I can't hear what loneliness sounds like because my tinnitus is always with me

    • @najee_eee
      @najee_eee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      True it's so weird that I don't know what true silence actually sounds like

    • @Drekromancer
      @Drekromancer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      @@najee_eee I can see how that would be upsetting in an odd way. Like an itch you can't quite scratch. But don't worry, there's a bright side, too. Flexing on the void is an alpha move.

    • @inchw0rm
      @inchw0rm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      when i first got tinnitus i felt really depressed about it because of that, i thought i didnt like silence but suddenly i missed it so much, it's been years now though so im used to it when its more mild

    • @WolvericCatkin
      @WolvericCatkin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      🫂

    • @zubbworks
      @zubbworks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee gang represent.

  • @WolvericCatkin
    @WolvericCatkin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1624

    The interesting note of pianos being a lonely instrument, playable by one person, to me, feeds back into the fact Hollow Knight's soundtrack being composed by a single person...

    • @user-zz7le5qc6x
      @user-zz7le5qc6x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      When I learned how to play it, I often did that with my ftiend on the same keyboard.

    • @specificdisc568
      @specificdisc568 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Pianos definitely have a very lonely feel to them one of my most favorite songs is Clair de Lune

    • @Ryan-ey3qk
      @Ryan-ey3qk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I don't understand why piano sounds more lonely to you guys than other instruments. To me, any combination of instruments could evoke a sense of loneliness depending on the harmony employed in the music itself rather than the timbre. Timbre is important, but it is certainly not the deciding factor in the mood of any given piece.

    • @skooch5769
      @skooch5769 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ryan-ey3qk its definitely the composition and arrangement and not the instrument(s)

    • @christofu148
      @christofu148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@Ryan-ey3qk I’m no music theory master, but perhaps it has to do with the simplicity of piano sounds. The nature of the keys makes consistent sounds that ring, but most often don’t have too much accent as something from say, a violin. Yes, other instruments can make sounds similar, but something about a solo piano creates a very abstract, isolated ringing, which I personally believe is why it so well creates a melancholy feeling when paired with silence/ambiance
      My apologies, I’m not too great at writing short and simple thoughts

  • @daughterofthestars08
    @daughterofthestars08 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1295

    I'm sure there's LOTS of games you could have included in this video, but a lot of people forget about Minecraft when it comes to this kind of thing. It's easy to see the chaos, the colors, the exploration, the multiplayer experience, but Minecraft played by yourself with the music turned on, especially back before there was a lot of stuff added to it, was very much a game about the experience of isolation and exploration, and the soundtrack reflects that feeling. As does the sound of your own footsteps, the calls of nearby mobs, even the sound of chests. I love the headcanon that minecraft when it came out was a world desolated and empty, with barely anything alive and moving, and slowly the updates have been introducing things in a linear fashion almost like a world that's mending itself from a tragedy. The villagers expanding in technology, more animals appearing and flourishing, the oceans coming back to life, etc!

    • @moss6235
      @moss6235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      I used to play Minecraft a lot, but I started to avoid singleplayer because it felt so lonely and boring. I can see what you mean.

    • @Drekromancer
      @Drekromancer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      @@moss6235 Agreed. When you're alone, playing survival singleplayer in the dead of night, C418's soundtrack strikes a chord on your soul.
      Edit: fixed

    • @jamesostendorf1518
      @jamesostendorf1518 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I haven't hear that theory but i like it. Gd point

    • @simonrockstream
      @simonrockstream 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Drekromancer you mean C418, wtf

    • @AnotherDuck
      @AnotherDuck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I don't think the music in Minecraft sounds like loneliness, though. It sounds like nostalgia. Or at least the original tunes, like Sweden and Minecraft. And I'm saying that as someone who doesn't think of Minecraft as a nostalgic game. But on the other hand, nostalgia can certainly be lonely.

  • @MarteaniArt
    @MarteaniArt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +171

    The sound of footsteps in untouched snow. It's hard to nail, because people forget snow absorbs all other sound, so the whole world is quieter. Cainhurst in Bloodborne feels infinitely lonelier than the rest of the game. Zagreus walking to the final fight. That soft ephemeral crunch.

    • @andersonneil2293
      @andersonneil2293 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Hmm interesting, walking on snow sounds like solitude, not loneliness. Like a positive version. Maybe cause if I'm hearing it it's cause I want to walk or I'm going somewhere idk

    • @billco73
      @billco73 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think the chalice dungeons seem loneliest

    • @Drekromancer
      @Drekromancer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That brief cinematic where Zagreus escapes the Underworld gets me every time.

    • @chainthunder083
      @chainthunder083 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The silence of snow is so peaceful to me. It almost feels like everything has stopped for a moment and the world is taking a breathe. I don't get the feeling of loneliness from snow, I feel calm

    • @AnotherDuck
      @AnotherDuck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This so much reminded me of 'Death on the Snowfield', which is a remix of FFVI 'Terra'. Listen to it.

  • @danulas
    @danulas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +684

    This just in: Outer Wilds, Breath of the Wild, and Hollow Knight are good games.
    All jokes aside, when you started talking about footsteps, I was certain Outer Wilds would come up. I was right, but not entirely in the way that I thought however I agree that the sounds of breathing are very unsettling throughout the game.

    • @elimain1261
      @elimain1261 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Add Disco Elysium to that too!

    • @bbbbbbb51
      @bbbbbbb51 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      The ambient synthwork being the dark rumbling sort of sounds in Outer Wilds really nail the "alone" sound design, but it specifically adds an element of horror to it as well. It's not just lonely, but unsettlingly so

    • @razbuten
      @razbuten  2 ปีที่แล้ว +106

      Tbh I had a lot more to say about the lonely sound design of Outer Wilds, but most of it was spoilers so I decided against it

    • @Neidan99
      @Neidan99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@razbuten It's so hard to talk about that game without spoilers. I actually play the game because you talk about it, when I came to the end (from the DLC and the base game), I wanted to cry. And with this video, when you put the sound of the banjo and the others gathering to continue with the song, and the stuff that you were saying, it make me relive it

    • @shizukousapostle1stapostle710
      @shizukousapostle1stapostle710 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No way.. Really?

  • @a134andro5
    @a134andro5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    A game I play that makes me feel lonely is Minecraft. Especially when I load up a server I started with my friends but no one is on it. I just wonder around admiring all the builds we made and it makes me sad and happy at the same time. Also when I hear that music stop and all hear are my own foot steps makes me feel real lonely.

    • @lordrakes5528
      @lordrakes5528 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Way too relatable. I'm the big minecraft players in my friends group and I'm always the only one left after everyone else quit the server

  • @pieguy5692
    @pieguy5692 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2274

    As someone who knows quite a lot of music theory, I think you managed to absolutely nail this analysis without using any confusing theory. I think it's probably for the better, as the way you approached this will definitely resonate with people more easily since they won't have to wrap their heads around the theory. Amazing video as always Razbuten!

    • @AxxLAfriku
      @AxxLAfriku 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      IT is weird indeed. Everywhere I comment, people tell me how much they love me and my content. Sometimes IT is annoying. But right now, IT would be okay. So say something nice about my content, dear p

    • @maxzett
      @maxzett 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @UCWTgYlza_NGzR1UbMooxHdw 5TFU u geh

    • @koolpankake9801
      @koolpankake9801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      As someone who knows quite a lot about loneliness, I think razbuten managed to absolutely nail this analysis without using too many complicated theories

    • @danielban9625
      @danielban9625 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@AxxLAfriku I don't like you or your content

    • @froggy9822
      @froggy9822 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Bro ur profile picture fucked me up

  • @c0smosage804
    @c0smosage804 2 ปีที่แล้ว +297

    Dirtmouth and City of Tears make me feel so empty… 10 hours into HK and I’m lovin it
    Edit: now that I think of it, most themes I’ve heard so far sound lonely and melancholy, conveying the exact thing the Knight must be feeling

    • @rowgesage936
      @rowgesage936 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      That moment when you first enter the city, seeing the rain drip down and finding quirrel at the bench, just so much atmosphere in that single moment

    • @AshenDust_
      @AshenDust_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      10 hours in and already at the city? That’s good going

    • @Hammersaurus
      @Hammersaurus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Hollow Knight is one of those games I wish I could wipe my memory of and play again for the first time.
      Your first playthrough is special. Cherish it.

    • @isaacmanahan8047
      @isaacmanahan8047 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      bro i literally was thinking of the hollow knight soundtrack while watching this whole video

    • @bitsnthings
      @bitsnthings 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep. HK is so lonely even though you meet so many people.

  • @BREADSWORD
    @BREADSWORD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1365

    another banger from the gamer god himself

    • @yesindeed1614
      @yesindeed1614 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You only watched 18 secobds

    • @crake9510
      @crake9510 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      wrong, he hasn't even said a racial slur once yet

    • @subxotic9896
      @subxotic9896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Bro I can't believe it I've been watching both Razbuten and you for over a year (im not sure how long specifically) and you know about him?! I mean it kind of makes sense, you are both geniuses when it comes to video essays and you sometimes do video game content too (like the jak and daxter video). Anyways, I was just kind of surprised to see you in the comments, i love the both of you!

    • @occamsaturn
      @occamsaturn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      look it's breadtube
      no wait

    • @elliottwood5423
      @elliottwood5423 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Breadbuten

  • @tessamarci
    @tessamarci 2 ปีที่แล้ว +217

    Honestly, one of the biggest reasons I’ve had trouble getting into Souls games in the past isn’t the difficulty, but the sheer feeling of loneliness. The general lack of music punctuated only by the players footsteps and inhuman enemy sounds creates a really desolate and emotionally draining atmosphere

    • @greatsupper
      @greatsupper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      That's the reason those games are scarier than any horror game to me. Most of the sound is ambient with the occasional monstrous agonizing screech. Your guy never makes much sound; neither do many of the enemies. Everything simply comes after you with violent intent. I love it though.

    • @brookspn
      @brookspn ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Honestly, this is what Miyazaki does best, imo. It's my favorite thing about those games. Just excellent direction.

    • @tessamarci
      @tessamarci ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@brookspn it’s something I can definitely appreciate as a design choice and really enjoy watching let’s plays, but it really just gets to me personally after a while

    • @sa1f43
      @sa1f43 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah I also believe the same. For example, Witcher 3 can get scary af in some quests. But since the sound design is always accompanied by some music it creates an appropriate atmosphere without emotionally draining you.
      I sometimes wonder if I get just get scared easily or am I just not into such bleak and soulless games.

    • @GoldenAgeMath
      @GoldenAgeMath ปีที่แล้ว

      For some reason, I feel this way about Dishonored but not Dark Souls

  • @bri-notthecheese
    @bri-notthecheese 2 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Finding and sitting to listen to Marissa sing in the City of Tears was probably one of the simplest and most profound experiences of loneliness in a video game. Because sure, as the Knight, I was exploring alone and doing this whole journey mostly by myself, save for a couple of friends--but Marissa has been alone in this room for ages, just....singing to no one. And I love that the game allows you to choose to sit with her and share in that loneliness for as long as you like

    • @noureldin6388
      @noureldin6388 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I killed her :(

  • @xanathar8659
    @xanathar8659 2 ปีที่แล้ว +660

    One of my favourite quotes ever comes from the TV show "The Good Place" the quote is "As humans, we're just a little bit sad all of the time". This quote expresses the feeling of melancholy for me. In your happiest moments there will always be something that is a little bit sad or worrying. Lonliness is a big reason for it. I personally, especially recently, have had many occasions of feeling profound acceptance and feeling loved by friends and family, but then that is always followed by a feeling of lonliness once it's over. This feeling is something I welcome, as it is, as melancholic as it may be, a good feeling. The reason I loved hollow knight as much as I did during the beginning of my first playthrough was because of that feeling of lonliness. The empty world and sombre piano. It was a feeling I wish I could experience again with that game. GRIS did the same thing for me, especially in the final area. This feeling can be perfected with what sounds are being used like what you have spoken about in this video, and it's a very beautiful thing. If certain games didn't have this feeling of lonliness, they wouldn't appeal to me quite as much.

    • @bradywinterblade1342
      @bradywinterblade1342 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Keep it sleezy

    • @manuelsosa559
      @manuelsosa559 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Xan i didn't expect to find you here

    • @xanathar8659
      @xanathar8659 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@manuelsosa559 I'm sorry I don't recognize you

    • @ballistic6503
      @ballistic6503 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Loneliness and the melancholy feeling is one of the most important feelings to have, without it there could be no form of agency to find some sort of answer to it. But if it’s the same all the time, no matter what the feeling is, as long as it’s perpetual there is no agency to do anything. That’s why these games are so good, the agency would be the unusual change of your life and mindset being put into this completely different direction of being. Interesting how the brain works.

    • @christofu148
      @christofu148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Beautiful little comment you’ve written here. Perfectly encapsulates not only one of Hollow Knight’s greatest qualities, but also genuinely just a really good breakdown of loneliness and it’s dynamic with company and other human themes

  • @EDips875
    @EDips875 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    The halo 3 ODST soundtrack made me feel uneasy when I played it for the first time, walking through the empty city along with the echoing jazz, rain and abandoned machines like the phones ringing always made me feel very alone

    • @racefrazier7998
      @racefrazier7998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Im right there with ya. The car sirens and the repeating "walk" from the broken traffic signals help me play the way the devs intended. Avoid fights when you are wandering in the city. You can't get a BR in the city too.

    • @Sx-xy2zi
      @Sx-xy2zi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same

  • @RainMakeR_Workshop
    @RainMakeR_Workshop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    Lol the first thing I thought of when Raz asked "what does loneliness sound like" was "my own breathing" and then later in the vid he mentions it when talking about The Outer Wilds.
    Thats more of a dangerous solitude rather than loneliness to me though. I was thinking of lying in bed and all I can hear is loneliness my own breathing. Rather than my partner breathing, which I find oddly comforting.

    • @elimain1261
      @elimain1261 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      For me the breathing in your suit in Outer Wilds feels incredibly lonely, but interestingly enough, and probably for the reasons Raz explained towards the end of the video, I sometimes seek it out. Sometimes when I am feeling overwhelmed with life I will get on Outer Wilds and drift through space. Alone. It brings me peace.

    • @RainMakeR_Workshop
      @RainMakeR_Workshop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@elimain1261 It feels to intense for loneliness for me. Feeling lonely is melancholic, empty and thoughtful. Solitude just feels like you're alone, and being alone doesn't necessarily feel lonely. Plus the danger of the situation ramps it up and away from any reflection time.

  • @noahthehoneyboy6294
    @noahthehoneyboy6294 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    The crackling of fire. For games it’s definitely the long dark, it feels isolating and reminds you of every second you spend waiting for something to happen but it never comes. To accompany visuals to this, the light of a campfire makes it hard to see anything outside that light. Someone could be right next to you and you wouldn’t be able to see or hear them as the fire overtakes your senses

  • @razbuten
    @razbuten  2 ปีที่แล้ว +539

    what sounds make you feel lonely?

  • @Diphenhydra
    @Diphenhydra 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    When you asked the question I immediately thought silence, but just because it’s the absence of noise, not because I actually think of loneliness because of it. I would say the loneliest sound to me is the sound of waves hitting the shore, not a big wave, just a small one. Specifically small ones actually. Big ones I would think of a thunderstorm and lots of people. Small waves for me, probably stems from growing up at a beach and a lot of times at night I would sit in the sand and look out into the horizon by myself.

    • @Road_to_Dawn
      @Road_to_Dawn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This reminds me so much of the end of Kingdom Hearts 2.
      (Spoilers for KH2)
      That moment where Sora and Riku have defeated Xemnas and wander out into the Dark Margin and are then trapped in the World of Darkness. They just sit there on the beach, silent but for the sound of the waves gently moving on the shore, and they’re just like, “Well, this is it. This is the end of the road.” And though they have each other, they’re otherwise completely alone/and though they’re completely alone, they otherwise have each other. I think about that scene all the time, and to me, it’s one of the most powerful moments in the whole series.

    • @Diphenhydra
      @Diphenhydra 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Road_to_Dawn I wish i liked kingdom hearts enough to ever finish the games. I have played those first 5 hours a lot though, lol. I just can't get into it. But that does sound like a really good scene from what I understand.

  • @maggier4806
    @maggier4806 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    This explains why I found the game Sky: Children of the Light to be so lonely. When I was with friends it wasn’t that way, but playing alone felt so devastating because you can hear the interactions of others in the distance as well as the peaceful sound effects from the game itself

  • @ThePortalGeek1337
    @ThePortalGeek1337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    My eyes always light up when I see this guy pop up in my notifications

  • @filipporosatti6243
    @filipporosatti6243 2 ปีที่แล้ว +224

    Dude, I need to thank you. This video reminded me a lot about the one you made about vibe checks, which I can say for sure is up to this day my absolute favorite video on TH-cam. It made me think about life in a different way and generally to appreciate it way more.
    I absolutely love how you get to analyze games how they're meant to be seen, since lots of people (myself included of course) tend to miss a lot of the messages the developers probably wanted to give.
    I absolutely love also the importance you give to music in games, and love every video where you talk about it. Can't wait for another one, some of them are literally life changing.
    Keep up the good work man, we all truly appreciate it

  • @pedroscoponi4905
    @pedroscoponi4905 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    I personally find it useful to differentiate between good loneliness and bad loneliness. Lots of things can get me in a good, melancholy loneliness place, many of them sounds from games I adore. Ocarina of Time's title theme, to name one - horse galloping included. But I have a visceral negative lonely reaction to the sounds of several people talking - the more there are, the worse it gets. I'm an introvert by nature - there is no place more alone to me than one full of people you can't (sometimes don't want to) connect with.
    (At this point I'm mostly used to this experience but when it sometimes happens when I'm with _friends_ who I _love_ and was, until 5 seconds ago, gladly hanging out with, it's uh, quite the whiplash. Not very fun 😅)

  • @thezandstorm
    @thezandstorm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    easily the loneliest sounds to me are those of an empty house. the settling of walls and objects, the creaking of floors, the brushing of trees against the outside walls, the faint random noises that you can’t quite place, all of these things make me feel incredibly lonely as they remind me of every time in my life that i’ve been home alone, and how no matter who i was living with, i could only think about how lonely the house was when it was just me.

  • @grayscalemaybe3514
    @grayscalemaybe3514 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Your content means so much to me and it's so refreshing to see a person like you creating these types of videos. It's also amazing that you still engage with your community in the comments, you really don't see that anymore.

  • @M-A-Khaki
    @M-A-Khaki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    In my opinion, perhaps the loneliest songs I've ever heard are the overworld songs from Minecraft (survival). Spending hours exploring deep underground, to have the sounds of the world sporadically be interrupted by soft piano is somehow uplifting and yet so lonely at the same time
    Edit: the best example, Dry Hands

  • @Ladyknightthebrave
    @Ladyknightthebrave 2 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    This was amazing to watch, also have you ever thought about putting a list of all the games you feature somewhere? Just because I kind of would want to look some of them up, and they weren't the main ones you were focusing on

    • @razbuten
      @razbuten  2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Ah thank you! Yeah, I really need to get on including a list of games shown; it is often something I always plan to make after putting a video out, but I then get pretty lazy with it. If there are any specific games you wanna know, feel free to drop the timecode and I can let ya know the title.

    • @Ladyknightthebrave
      @Ladyknightthebrave 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@razbuten 1:34, 4:44, and 9:20?

    • @razbuten
      @razbuten  2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@Ladyknightthebrave The Gardens Between, Life is Strange: True Colors, and Bioshock Infinite.

    • @Ladyknightthebrave
      @Ladyknightthebrave 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@razbuten cool thanks! 😊

    • @vricanvrothers1044
      @vricanvrothers1044 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      03:00 please!

  • @DavisGSee
    @DavisGSee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    This is well timed. I'm working on a section of my own game right now that's meant to evoke loneliness. The sound I'm focusing on is water lapping on the shore.

    • @Sasha-up9er
      @Sasha-up9er 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Soft insect and bird noises I don't think were mentioned but at least to me evoke a sense of loneliness, in a good way. Cicadas (in the distance), crickets, birdsong, chirps etc. I guess because the only time I ever stop and actually listen to them is when I'm alone, when there's other stuff going on, I don't really hear them.

    • @Simon-Alexis
      @Simon-Alexis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good luck with your game

    • @DavisGSee
      @DavisGSee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Simon-Alexis Thank you!

    • @yeti1835
      @yeti1835 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's your game about? :)

    • @paynesmith3008
      @paynesmith3008 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That'll do it for me. The loneliest times of my life was spent looking at the moon and the stars over the calm Mediterranean.

  • @YTRingoster
    @YTRingoster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    As a solo indie dev who's struggled with loneliness for most of their life, it's beyond me why so many indie devs gravitate towards having their OWN games be such lonely experiences.
    It's totally valid but man, I could really go for some more lively indies titles that are filled with commotion and life. Supergiant's 'Hades' is a recent favorite of mine.

    • @renaigh
      @renaigh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it's the connotation of the 'Independent' label creates a lonely vibe among Indie Devs.

    • @YaBoiDoi
      @YaBoiDoi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm assuming it's because it's the easiest.

  • @madisonperry7447
    @madisonperry7447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Funny, the sound of a distant train always makes me smile, especially at night. I grew up near a railroad. Every so often, in the time I would be trying to sleep, I would hear a distant train. It was always a comforting sound, for some reason, never annoying or lonely.

    • @camlin4147
      @camlin4147 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's a similar situation for me. I only ever heard it if I happened to still be awake around 2 am. When that happened, it was typically because I was still reading a good book by the light of my flashlight. A good association, though the next morning was never much fun.
      But I definitely get how the sound could be interpreted as hauntingly lonely, especially when paired with chirping crickets instead of muted street traffic in the near distance. Or is that just a result of my city breeding...?

    • @brookspn
      @brookspn ปีที่แล้ว

      It's nostalgic for me, too. Which I suppose could be its own route to loneliness.

  • @elimain1261
    @elimain1261 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Another fantastic video. I'm glad you mentioned the sounds of deepnest and the void in Hollow Knight, just a couple months ago I had a long conversation about how powerful the relative lack of music in those areas is. In the rest of the game you are almost always surrounded by music, then in deepnest and the void there is very little. The void certainly cements loneliness and isolation, but interestingly deepnest creates a feeling of isolation, based on how you are not alone. It highlights how you are not alone through the sound design, constantly hearing scuttling and movement. You are surrounded by creepy bugs and spiders that can jump out at you at any moment. You are isolated, the only being not trying to kill you, but you are very much not alone.

    • @madisonperry7447
      @madisonperry7447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I love everything about Hollow Knight, it’s one of my favorite games. Deepnest can go jump off a cliff though.

  • @jujubeat386
    @jujubeat386 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Honestly, I never really thought about sounds that cause me to feel lonely. Through your video, I started to reflect more on my battle of loneliness and depression as well as things that can trigger me into certain slumps. From thinking about it a little bit, I realized that there are two things that kind of capture the feeling for loneliness for me and things that I have learned to try and stay away from if I can to prevent me from falling into my slumps.
    1. Kind of cliche, but crying when there is no other voices or anything. The ambience of nature or the city or a car engine mixed with a little sob can trigger the feeling of loneliness for me, because I feel that sadness on a level that truly resonates with me. Whether it is me trying to comfort a friend, someone acting in a movie, or me battling with my problems, this sound hits a chord within me.
    2. Voicemails. In our every day lives, we get and leave voicemails for work, for friends, parents, mentors, etc. But for me, leaving a voicemail just feels like I am talking to a brickwall or a void especially if it feels like I may not receive a response. Then receiving voicemails is even worse, because it feels like I could not be there for someone or it calls upon this feeling that I could have caused exactly what I feel when I leave a voicemail. A game that really hit home for me was Cyberpunk 2077 when it comes to this. There are two instances in that game where you leave and receive voicemails: a certain person in the game will never hear your voicemail and you yourself won't really be able to hear the messages that other's leave (you will understand if you went through the game). And it hurt, it reminded me how alone some things can be.
    Thank you to whomever read all of this, I appreciate it.
    And if you read this Razbuten, thank you for this video, it made me think about some things

  • @donkor3849
    @donkor3849 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    In civ 6, at the very start, you are alone (most of the time) and the music is echoey and reverby, like it’s bouncing off a empty valley, and it creates this amazing sense or loneliness

    • @akaviral5476
      @akaviral5476 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      YES! The evolution of Civ 6 music is amazing in itself, but this feeling of just getting started is only enhanced by the relatively empty sounds of the first few eras. It's as if your civ hasn't found its place yet, but it has an identity of sorts

  • @mushymcmushington7176
    @mushymcmushington7176 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Loneliness sounds like the fan in the corner of my room that I never turn off.

  • @Ombby
    @Ombby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Your ability to invoke feelings and making me being able to relate even when our experiences have been different is pure magic! Incredible job!

  • @oOLoveEmLyricsoO
    @oOLoveEmLyricsoO 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can’t help but reflect on how much I’ve actually come to rely on sound and music to get me through each day, especially when I try to sleep. I find it almost impossible to fall asleep without any constant sound whether it be loud or soft music, a video, or even tv static. Something about the hearing myself move and the blankets rustling in the otherwise silence, not only makes me aware of being alone, but also anxious in a way I can’t really understand. Helps me also recognize that even “peace and quiet” and isn’t necessarily silence

  • @emerson_5
    @emerson_5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This was a wonderfully profound essay. The thought and heart that clearly go into your videos make them unparalleled.

  • @randomguysurlinternet
    @randomguysurlinternet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I am amazed how well you are able to caption all these wonderful aspects of (designing for) loneliness. As a (future) interaction designer I am writing my master thesis on learning to appreciate feelings of loneliness and this video is a huge help and inspiration. Thanks for all the great content you continuously create.

  • @stefan1932
    @stefan1932 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It’s interesting to think how we each assign different sounds to different emotions. A single sound can easily convey a wealth of emotional variety and it’s amazing!
    The loneliest sound that comes to mind is the sound of a single cricket, chirping away in the night. Almost as if its fellow brethren could not show up to join the song.

  • @Ataraxia0
    @Ataraxia0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    for me the loneliest is that of a grandfather clock. as a kid whenever we visited my great grandma's house i would hear it. away from my friends, away from any toys, away from games. yet weirdly enough the sound is almost comforting in a way. im not sure how to describe it.

  • @clarab325
    @clarab325 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sometimes I discover your channel again and just binge all the videos I’ve missed. This has been the last 2 days so ty for uploading another one, I love your channel so much!

  • @tkj222
    @tkj222 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos are so well thought out. Even that one that was a bunch of short videos. That one had stuck with me

  • @austinb1963
    @austinb1963 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Another fantastic video. A game that comes to mind that evokes some of these feelings for me is NieR:Automata. The music that plays each time you enter the Resistance Camp always gets me and is an example of juxtaposition in that the first drum beat always kicks off the song right as you enter.

  • @wizawhat
    @wizawhat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    The Breath of the Wild soundtrack doesn't get enough credit for what it is, and damn you really put into words why that horse riding theme is so special, something I could not.
    As a certified loner I really value that alone time for the exact reasons you described, it makes the rest of life a bit better and less exhausting. I like describing it as solitude. Solitude to me means that I have control over the situation and choose to be alone whereas loneliness feels like a lack of control and a desire to escape being alone.

  • @DustyStarrs
    @DustyStarrs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a well-written video. That pay-off to the train whistle thing at the start? I got so many chills. SO many.

  • @Deceptacon-_-
    @Deceptacon-_- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is something I've seen recently as i recently now have a fan in my room and it brings me too back to those long nights of sleeplessness and the soft hum in the background makes me calm but lonely

  • @fedorflip
    @fedorflip 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Old Valve games like Portal and Half-Life have a pretty lonesme feeling to them, I'd say.
    In HL2 specifically, maps alter between City 17, which utilizes the isolated sounds of sirens, announcements and CP patrols resonating through the almost empty city, inside areas, which utilise mostly sounds made by the player and other entities, and places outside the city, in which the sounds are mostly natural. And, of course, music helps a lot.

  • @nicklink217
    @nicklink217 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The soundtrack to death stranding fits the whole theme of being alone and isolated while reconnecting broken pieces of civilization. I especially love low roar's music and I definitely recommend at least giving death stranding a try if you only heard the bad stuff about it.

  • @SilverDragonJay
    @SilverDragonJay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In the game starbound, the song 'Mercury' at about 3:20 (into the song) and occasionally throughout there's this sound I can't identify but every time I was playing and this track came on I got this deep feeling of loneliness. The entire song has this vibe of solitary exploration with all the sadness and occasional majesty that entails, however it was this sound, this ringing, beeping noise, that never failed to take this feeling and crank it up to 11 for me. And it was this sound out of the entire song that I was most happy to hear when this track came on. To the point where after I stopped playing starbound I would occasionally go on hunts for which song it was that had this part in it (because remembering the song name is not worth it apparently/s). Now after listening to a bunch of chillstep, lo-fi hip hop, ambient music, etc I probably have an entire library of these solitary sounds that I love to hear but can't remember until they pop up somewhere and give me a nice hit of endorphins.

  • @chloem8613
    @chloem8613 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude I love your videos. I’m constantly inspired by your observations and options on games and the many facets that go into their creation. You bring words to ideas I felt while playing them, and introduced perspectives I’ve never considered before. It’s a joy to watch, so thank you for them!

  • @grummdoesstuff2983
    @grummdoesstuff2983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Something i'd love to hear someone talk about is the importance of situational music. lots of games have great music that plays throughout it, but not much for specific situations. Normally each area has a song, there's combat music, background adventure music, and the bosses will likely have their own tunes, and that's fine, but there are so many more ways to use the music than just that.
    Horizon Zero dawn has different songs for each area of the map, but also different combat music for each area and each size of creature. Fighting a Watcher in the starting area plays a different song than fighting one in the carja desert, and fighting a thunderjaw in that same desert has a different song from both of them.
    Deep Rock Galactic has 36 amazing songs, but only ever uses one of them for its loading screen. and its a decently long song, so you don't usually even reach the end before you start the mission. Then, it uses those other 35 songs during the missions for different events, selecting random ones from their categories so that they don't get stale.
    Even survival games like minecraft and ARK limit their music so it has more impact. In the 1.18 update, 9 new background songs were added, and they all have limits as to where they can be played, most of which involve going to mountain or cave biomes, rewarding players for exploring new places. And for ARK, each day at sun up, sun down, midnight, and midday, a special, sometimes map dependent tune will play, only for about half a minute, but is an amazing way to tell time when your focused on other things inside a base or a cave. and the combat music changes depending not on where you are, but where your looking. If your camera is underwater, the underwater combat music is playing, while above ground, it plays the regular combat music, unless there is an alpha around, in which case it plays the alpha combat music.

  • @radicalsnake2813
    @radicalsnake2813 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As you asked which sound makes me think about loneliness I thought about a deep submarine sonar. As you said that for you is the sound of a train I was pleased to see how different each of us can interpret sounds and how difficult can it be for sound designers to create something that must work with very large groups of people.

  • @wupsje1
    @wupsje1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are such a good storyteller. It felt almost like a listening to a poem, very nicely put together. On top of that it is educational and also about games. Very awesome! Thank you

  • @1234fakerstreet
    @1234fakerstreet 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've loved your video essays so much. They dig deep and make you analyze why games relate to you and what makes you feel that relation. Every essay is a masterpiece in a different way.

  • @rheenusthebeanus4559
    @rheenusthebeanus4559 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The one sounds that always makes me feel lonely will always be common household appliance idle noises. The low rumble of the washer or dryer doing its thing somewhere else, the low hum of a fridge, or the muffled clanking of a freezer's ice machine dropping a fresh batch of ice never fail to make me feel alone. It must be the fact that these noises are only really apparent when I'm home alone, no music is playing to drown these small noises out, no talking, no distant chatter or doings of people in the house. It's just me surrounded by the things that do chores for me, and that's a sad thought.

  • @arbiter-
    @arbiter- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Souls games sound extremely lonely, like impeccably so. The fact that Elden Ring has a dynamic soundtrack just gets me stoked, it's going to be a romp.

  • @taylor7837
    @taylor7837 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is among my favorite videos you've put together. Great job, Raz!

  • @Pannekoek.
    @Pannekoek. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for making video essays like this one. You realy make me think about the experiences I have with video games and how they influence my life and vice versa. This one made me know myself a little better. And that is very valuable to me.

  • @Ra1nb0wBanana
    @Ra1nb0wBanana 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Something I haven't seen in the comments yet is Persona 5's Beneath the Mask. It juxtaposes perfectly with all the hustle and bustle most other songs bring to the game. It captures the kind of loneliness you can only feel in a huge urban setting, when you're out alone at night after meeting your friends.
    It gives you a moment to breathe, but also think about the responsibilites you have taken up as an invisible vigilante. You cross paths with hundreds of people everyday and they'll never know you and what you have done kind of vibe.
    Also I see a lot of love for Halo 3 ODST's soundtrack and yes, the ambiance in that game is amazing. I wish we could see more of that side of Halo rather than the bombastic Chief campaigns.

  • @ForgeofAule
    @ForgeofAule 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I knew you were going to bring up outer wilds

  • @roycosta6878
    @roycosta6878 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my favorite video from you so far, keep up the great work Raz.

  • @kingderpygoat
    @kingderpygoat ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a really well put together video, all your videos are- I gotta give my respect I always feel like I learn something, or atleast gain some more understanding/a new perspective on things.

  • @O52401
    @O52401 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My favorite game that invoked 'loneliness' would have to be Halo 3: ODST, primarily due to the soundtrack and setting.
    The contrast between the Rookie's investigation and the flashback sequences really hammered home that this soldier was alone in a hostile yet eerily empty city, but still had a glimmer of hope left. The action-packed flashbacks complemented the quieter, atmospheric interludes in the open city perfectly, and with each piece of the puzzle found, each clue discovered, it made the resolution of the story all the more satisfying. Honestly, it's probably one of my favorite games.
    Thinking about it, ODST is probably what ruined Dark Souls for me; I hooked into the small shred of hope that that game presents at the beginning, and was left discouraged and ultimately indifferent to completing it when that optimism turned out to truly be nothing more than wishful thinking.
    Also, I remember being able to hear a distant train line back at my family home when it was especially late at night; personally, I find such noises to be a comfort, like the sound of a rainstorm.
    If anything feels lonely, it'd probably be the noise machines they use at work, or the humming of a fridge; constant, consistent noises, unbreaking, that fade in and out of focus depending on one's attention, especially when in isolation.
    Always going on and on. They'll continue on, with or without you. Autonomous, cold, unmoving. Even the sound of the woods on a cold winter's day has breaks, has life, has movement. The buzz of static machinery does not need anyone, anything. Only if you stop it will it stop, and then? Silence.
    And then you'll really be alone.

  • @jake_a.lien_
    @jake_a.lien_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My theory: This whole channel is Raz's homework for therapy

    • @razbuten
      @razbuten  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      bro don't narc

    • @jake_a.lien_
      @jake_a.lien_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@razbuten XD

  • @almtzd
    @almtzd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So well articulated. I’ve felt so many of the things you mentioned here. Great vid.

  • @iragladouchuk7014
    @iragladouchuk7014 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, thanks a lot for this video. As a sound designer I appreciate you giving the soundscape so much attention. Good job !

  • @jaybird1286
    @jaybird1286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There’s not a sound that makes me feel lonely, but when I play an older game I get a feeling of loneliness.

    • @elijah1437
      @elijah1437 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes! Like emptier and older games give me pangs off loneliness. Especially old Zelda games

  • @TheBluePhoenix008
    @TheBluePhoenix008 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love people talking about Hollow Knight.

  • @evanonline8409
    @evanonline8409 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember you talking about a distant train horn being lonely like a year ago on stream. It was super interesting to hear that thought fleshed out in the intro. Great vid, Raz! I loved the editing on this one.

  • @Force2reckonVods
    @Force2reckonVods 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just watching this has given me an increased appreciation for sound and music in games and I'll be paying even closer attention to that going forward. Thank you Raz, as always you've helped expand my understanding and views of things that, while I appreciated before, never really understood.

  • @bonesplinter3587
    @bonesplinter3587 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Raz! (And everyone else) Which fast food place has your favorite fries?

  • @conorwhite8040
    @conorwhite8040 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The loneliest sound I've ever heard is "I just want to be friends"

  • @DanielSilva-uf9nc
    @DanielSilva-uf9nc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching your videos makes me enjoy games again, take a break from all of the fast paced action and appreciate the details of the worlds i'm travelling in.

  • @pissqueendanniella4688
    @pissqueendanniella4688 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Woah..your intro about trains literally gave me chills. I spent a lot of my 20's on and off trains traveling across the country too and so frequently it's such a lonely feeling to be riding through the night staring out in the dark unable to sleep wondering when the next stop is and if that place will be home or whether I'll be catching another train in the night.

  • @insertcreativityhere7747
    @insertcreativityhere7747 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos validate my urge to analyze every tiny aspect of a video game
    Rambling on about the little details and observations that I feel like other people aren’t very interested in when I talk about them.
    Ty

  • @Piggy24
    @Piggy24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can relate to what you shared about you and distant train whistles.
    I thoroughly enjoyed this video, thank you!

  • @belibius
    @belibius 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really liked everything about this video. The essay was really good and the montage too, also funny sometimes.
    I just wanted to let you know that your work is precious.

  • @shelbyfawn1337
    @shelbyfawn1337 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Raz, your essays just keep getting better and better.

  • @NocturnalWisp
    @NocturnalWisp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing video! The long dark is also a great example of how a game can be made to feel lonely. The snowy landscape doesn't feel lonely to me usually having been raised in it, but the developers did a great job making it feel that way. One of my favorites for sure.

  • @tylerbrown1579
    @tylerbrown1579 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The introspective and reflective tones hovering closely by throughout your recent videos have brought me a lot of peace. I appreciate your labor and hope to be in a position to offer support to you and yours some day soon. Thank you.

  • @ScentedPineForest
    @ScentedPineForest 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sound design is always great to hear about. My personal favorite "lonely sound" is wind blowing, for the reasons you've discussed. Nice video!

  • @MontyZander
    @MontyZander 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ooft, this might be one of my favourites by you. Loved this thank you for it!

  • @BlaZay
    @BlaZay 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now that you pointed it out, I think that loneliness is exactly what drew me to these games and made me cherish them. It's in these moments, when I'm totally immersed and focused while nothing happens, that I feel the most at peace. It's wonderful when a game manages to capture this feeling. Spot on once again, I love your analyses.

  • @zmanrockz6358
    @zmanrockz6358 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how personal you make some of your videos. Not only is it the best way to provide examples, but it also has the side effect of reminding viewers that you are, you know, a normal person, which I think a lot of people might not really process. It also makes your videos resonate a lot more with people. While I only actually fully cried at your Outer Wilds video, I can say that many of your videos have made me tear up, with this one bringing me the closest since. Your story about summer camp reminded me so much of my own childhood, even though my sound is a clock instead. I've only been watching your videos for about 2 years, but in that time you've had such a profound effect on me. I've become much more aware of game design and how it influences games, players, and developers, and you (and some other TH-camrs) have also pushed me into wanting to pursue a career in video game development. So thank you Raz. Please find more reasons to talk about Hollow Knight.
    Also, for anyone who was really interested in hearing about music in games, there's a whole channel dedicated to it called 8-Bit Music Theory. He goes into more detail and theory behind the music, but he always makes sure to put the music up on screen (as well as a line to help you follow along), and he also tries to explain stuff as basic as you can.

  • @reasoninchaos
    @reasoninchaos ปีที่แล้ว

    You have the best commentary, reflection, reviews on gaming and connecting it to life.

  • @jmell458
    @jmell458 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I didn't get this in my sub feed! Thanks for making that community post.

  • @samanthanorthover2681
    @samanthanorthover2681 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely wonderful video, Raz. Reaching the Howling Cliffs in Hollow Knight for the first time almost made me cry without me even really knowing why.

  • @christopherbare4153
    @christopherbare4153 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, I just want you to know, I get excited every time you post a new video. thanks for making these

  • @rikkicrowder7134
    @rikkicrowder7134 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a beautiful video Raz

  • @Good_Minso
    @Good_Minso ปีที่แล้ว

    sound together with smell can be extremely strong connected to feelings, its crazy. sometimes, a smell or sound provokes a feeling you do not even know where it comes from. Really strong video!!

  • @jimjam7347
    @jimjam7347 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy shit. This might be my favorite video of yours. Fantastic work!

  • @JosieDrake1995
    @JosieDrake1995 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for another wonderful analysis. Always love your reflections

  • @matthewnour97
    @matthewnour97 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this dude's videos they always make me emotional and I love video games and appreciating everything that comes with it

  • @brodycortina8370
    @brodycortina8370 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love raz because he makes videos I never would have espected or known I wanted but end up thoroughly enjoying and give me a new view on things

  • @lijmoo
    @lijmoo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video - loved the connection you made in Breath of the Wild with a piano being a "lonely instrument" mostly heard throughout the game, played by one person, kinda like Link in his environment - never thought of it that way 👌

  • @jonathantybirk
    @jonathantybirk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was actually really touching for me. I'll just say thank you for making it

  • @titan_o7
    @titan_o7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some of the best memories I have is being out walking through the wilderness in the brush hunting for elk on top of the Rockies in Colorado. You quite literally feel like you’re the only person in existence.
    The only sounds being that of the wind weaving through the leaves and your own footsteps crunching on leaves and sticks and dirt.
    It’s such a liberating and calming experience, especially during the fall season with all the colors. I didn’t realize how much I’d miss it at the time.

  • @LEDmatrix
    @LEDmatrix 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos are amazing. Fact. They always touch my heart, especially with the statement at the end. Beautifully written!

  • @_Cypher__
    @_Cypher__ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man you absolutely nailed it with this video man good job

  • @monsieur_kerki4464
    @monsieur_kerki4464 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely love your videos. Do your thing, take your time and provide your sense of wonder. It feels like being on a journey. :)

  • @JoshwaLaw
    @JoshwaLaw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yessss! Another video 🥰 always gotta wait so long, but the quality 👌 worth it

  • @raymondkazules1306
    @raymondkazules1306 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for another excellent reflection. Your material is touching, insightful, and beautiful. For someone who appreciates the depth of humanity to be found in video games myself, your videos are always my favorite to watch, and I always take the time to watch them as soon as you post. Thank you for your enriching perspective. Please keep doing what you’re doing.