Abandoned Cheap 1977 Chevy Malibu Classic - Will it run?? New project??

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  • I just bought a cheap abandoned 1977 Malibu Classic. I go over the car and decide what to do with it but first order is to see if it runs.
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    Clunkers and Classics
    PO Box 262
    Mead, Oklahoma.
    73449

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  • @georgejarvis92
    @georgejarvis92 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wish I had the money I'd buy it just the way it sits!👍

  • @vintagedrumrestorationgara91
    @vintagedrumrestorationgara91 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Its worth more in parts Lee. Spend your time on the better cars. That engine is a keeper.

  • @jonboy9912
    @jonboy9912 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As long as the engine and drive train is fine that would be a great candidate for a restoration. You are a top man with the welding torch and the interiors!

  • @lietus4192
    @lietus4192 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think Arts car could be used for the parts , lets say take the interior out , knobs , everything usable , in my belief a car can be body swapped , but the parts can stay sentimental .

  • @WingmanJohnny
    @WingmanJohnny ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Nice looking rig. Fix and flip. Keep up the great work

  • @nickenglezos687
    @nickenglezos687 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Man i dig it..cars like that i haven't seen since my youth, always making me happy. remind me of cojak,barnaby jones, beretta,and all those worth seeing tv shows 0f the 70s.yes they did rust around the windows,but its still here.lol peace and happy new year.

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's running in the video. I'll drive it next video.

    • @nickenglezos687
      @nickenglezos687 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@clunkersandclassics yes i know it ran you got so many i was confused lol.peace

  • @keithharden7844
    @keithharden7844 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Clunkers and Classics or Puddin I chose Clunkers and Classics

    • @michaelbristol6467
      @michaelbristol6467 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same here 😁✌

    • @keithharden7844
      @keithharden7844 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@michaelbristol6467That’ll teach Puddin to release it a day late. Especially after he bagged on Mortske for doing it.

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I lke Puddin but not into mini trucks and lowriders

  • @kevinbourg1837
    @kevinbourg1837 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nice original malibu needs the rally wheels and repaint

  • @chancepatrick6260
    @chancepatrick6260 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Take the floor and trunk pan and interior from your buddy’s car . And use it on this gold one..

  • @CW-user
    @CW-user ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Sell it to Art. Put the good parts from his on that. His seems to rotted to use as a base.

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      makes sense but he has sentimental value on his

    • @augustfischer9063
      @augustfischer9063 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@clunkersandclassics not sentimental enough to keep at his own joint. Time to cut it loose

  • @therightisright8276
    @therightisright8276 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 77 could be awesome painted black with tinted windows, nice wheels/tires and flowmasters.

  • @tc6580
    @tc6580 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Owned a 76 and a 77 back in the 90s nice riding cars parts where cheap very easy to repair

  • @TheWalkmanRotation
    @TheWalkmanRotation ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That would be a fun one to fix up. I'd be stoked to see you do something with it on this channel.

  • @jamespn
    @jamespn ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Lee, I like it already. I like the door panels, power windows and the swivel buckets on the Black Malibu, it would be just right for the El Camino.

  • @after5auto133
    @after5auto133 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think it’s worth fixing up a little. Not too far gone to save

  • @joedo5886
    @joedo5886 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    He doesn't need a parts car, get the gold one running and sell it. Its obvious your buddy doesn't need a classic. Any classic he gets will just rot.

    • @dansimmons1964
      @dansimmons1964 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Totally agree 👍

    • @kennethscofield4565
      @kennethscofield4565 ปีที่แล้ว

      I concur,I know the type, he likes the idea about being a classic car owner but when it comes right down to it he is not serious. If you sell it to him you will end up with two 77' chevelle's sitting for years.

    • @dansimmons1964
      @dansimmons1964 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe mostly it has to do with his rich lady. She is telling him that he can't have his junk at her place. He'll never do anything with this car and end up letting it rot or getting rid of it. He's not going to risk getting her mad.

  • @marshallguerra1353
    @marshallguerra1353 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My first car in 1984 was a 76 Malibu. Same color with a tan vinyl roof with big triangle side rear window. 5.0 v8. Brings back great memories. Thanks for sharing.

  • @vernvern1507
    @vernvern1507 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My grandfather bought 1977 malibu classic new off the lot and drove it for 40 years his was green on green 2 door with a 305, I miss that car and I have alot of great memories when I see these cars today, I'd love to find a decent one but there hard to find

  • @erickort1987
    @erickort1987 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sir,i had a 77 malibu classic,dual exaust,alpine stereo system,just stock 305 2 barrel carb,i sold it when i had 178,000 miles,it still ran good,front quarters were rust free but rear quarters rusted out into the trunk,realy nice reliable car

  • @frankgannon8907
    @frankgannon8907 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The car looks great!! The moter sounds great!!!👍👍

  • @Titsmorone
    @Titsmorone ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I believe you can make some good money on that car. 🏁👍 these cars are going up in value

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I haven't seen any value increases in these types of cars.

  • @buckeyejim2989
    @buckeyejim2989 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That window crank was in the original build clocking. That old and someone usually gets it out of clocking. Just saying. Someone took care of her🗿 Thanks for sharing 👍

  • @terryeustice5399
    @terryeustice5399 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Think you got a runner Lee. I think the other guy would be miles ahead buying this from you. But, if not I would spend a few hundred and flip this Classic. There’s nothing you can’t do. Thank you for sharing! Happy New Year! 🎆

  • @jct300m
    @jct300m ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd use that Black chevelle as the parts car & swap it (Interior), wheels Etc. into the gold car.....& call the black one a loss after its stripped out...

  • @doctorhugocat
    @doctorhugocat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice car! Such a shame to destroy it to fix a total crap bucket, but I get that there's a sentimental attachment for your friend.........

  • @darrylj4554
    @darrylj4554 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Value wise I think they are about the same. I love these colonnade cars. I had a 75 and a 76. Great drivers. I also learned to drive on a 77 Malibu Classic wagon with the 350. Firethorn red metallic. The values of these have come up some but are not so expensive like the earlier car.

  • @Cstoreri
    @Cstoreri ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Short answer..Yes!

  • @paulcondie2520
    @paulcondie2520 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Had one! And the project it was. Had a lot of rust issues that we fixed but the best part was the 400 small block 400 turbo and 10 bolt positive rear end we put in it it run good then we lost interest. Love that body style though. Mine was the same color in fact

  • @georgejarvis92
    @georgejarvis92 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Had 1 loved it wish I still had it! Had the Chevy rally wheels dual exhaust it ran great 2

  • @unchained20000000
    @unchained20000000 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    make one hotrod out of both Malibus. Jack er up in the rear and primer it black or paint it matte black and use the interior of the black car and send her.

  • @motorcyclemark2889
    @motorcyclemark2889 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had a 73 ss it was cool had a built small block posi 12 bolt 411s

  • @LLS1100
    @LLS1100 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Keep the car and fix it up you won't regret it

  • @kkottke3674
    @kkottke3674 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Try brake cleaner on the sticky steering wheel. I just did that on an old truck and had great result.

  • @808chevykev
    @808chevykev ปีที่แล้ว

    My '74 had headlight buckets from a '77 on it when I got it. I didn't like the look,so I found '74 headlight buckets and slapped those in. Looks a whole lot better. And as far as Art goes,I'll be surprised if he does anything further with his car. Women,kids and casinos are some of the main things that keep guys from building ol schools. No live in woman around my camp and I don't gamble. And the kids are grown and gone. All I do is work,buy parts and build with no interference. Living my best life✌️🤙

  • @RedWhiteAndBlueVideo
    @RedWhiteAndBlueVideo ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would say put Arts interior in the car you just got. What you could do that way is tell him you need at least half the money now. And if he doesn't pay you the other half, you would have the title to the vehicle to sell it.
    If Art don't want it. Throw buckets in like you say. Fix the rust around the rear windows and paint the top black like the El Camino and replace the door seals, and send it down the road.

  • @richardbessent2406
    @richardbessent2406 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have my Great Grandmother’s old 1977 Malibu I’d love to have it for my self mine needs a lot of Body work

  • @robertpimpo4698
    @robertpimpo4698 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great car i had one ride smooth

  • @souleater3653
    @souleater3653 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank god the late 70s malibus are getting some love. Trying to build mine is like throwing darts in the dark, there is just a slight hair of aftermarket/ old stock out there for these cars

  • @robertbutcher2855
    @robertbutcher2855 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love them all cars you work on and the way you do it don't know about Jack in the back end up but that was popular back in the 60s 70s the cars look good and you help me a lot thank you for sending you videos and please continue

  • @lusterwright2886
    @lusterwright2886 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This would make a nice hot rod for your collection

  • @theservant752
    @theservant752 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    just change all of the metal around the vin number in his car for the metal from that one ;)

  • @michaelbristol6467
    @michaelbristol6467 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    $1,000 bucks nice deal just for the drivetrain alone, them 305's purr like a kitten. I'd park it for now and focus on the Nomad. Maybe Art will show up someday after he hits it big at the casino. 😁✌

  • @keithharden7844
    @keithharden7844 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hopefully your friend watches your videos and calls you

  • @alienpir8210
    @alienpir8210 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love it! The first car i ever bought was a '76 Malibu Classic.

  • @kennethscofield4565
    @kennethscofield4565 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your channel just came up on my youtube, Im the caretaker of an original 77 Omega that is sweet, I see from your intro that we share similar taste in cars, I have liked and subscribed!!

  • @cclifton2579
    @cclifton2579 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Art isn't going to do anything to his car. Per your description it's too far gone for what it is. This one can be saved with your skill and tlc.

  • @enriquelopez9124
    @enriquelopez9124 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That car will run and it is a nice candidate for restoration those later Camaro rims are a no no some nice rally wheels .

  • @zaffinod
    @zaffinod ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am a northern feller. These look good to me. This is from my high school days.

  • @michaelscarberry1921
    @michaelscarberry1921 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sad about that trunk floor. But it's definitely something worthy of not being parted patch that floor work your magic seller. I liked all your comments tank around with that little bit put some lipstick on her let her go LOL love watching your show.

  • @larrybritt7758
    @larrybritt7758 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That's a good looking car not bad . Come to Ohio if you want to see rough car that old.

  • @unchained20000000
    @unchained20000000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had one back in the 80s. put a 400 small block in her and premiered it. She ran good on them four coil springs.

  • @GregB2401
    @GregB2401 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'll buy it like that. He does not need parts car if he wanted the black car fix would have done alone time ago. Sale it. Only if I was close

  • @kesterhively8773
    @kesterhively8773 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've had my I one that thing I've been watching you for awhile lol

  • @kesterhively8773
    @kesterhively8773 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like those cars I had a couple I'd like to have that one if it wasn't so fare away from me

  • @josealfredocuevas
    @josealfredocuevas ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That is not rough I'm from the Midwest Wisconsin and believe me that is not rough plus it's a 1977 that's in great shape that is definitely not rough I've seen some rough ones out here in Wisconsin but that one is not rough. Not sure where you're at but that is not rough, nice looking car great buy..

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's rough for down here in Texas but more so because the time and money needed to restore it outweighs the value of the car. It's a tough/rough choice to make.

  • @pieluvr7362
    @pieluvr7362 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I rode in 2 of these 1 silver aka The Silver bullet and a Gold copperish like the thumbnail

  • @blaircrocker9845
    @blaircrocker9845 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fix her up and flip it. You know after 8 years he won't want to buy it. This could be a money maker. Those cars up north rusted in the show room. I always liked them.

  • @robertvance1873
    @robertvance1873 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just stumbled across your channel and I wouldn't hack that car up she's in to good of condition and very savable, as for your friend I would tell him Shit or get off the Pot about his car and quit being lazy. Have a good day 👍

  • @flyman1185
    @flyman1185 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    New subscriber. You’re easy to listen to. Keep the videos coming. Put some Laguna S-3 swivel seats and center console in it and paint it the original color. $7,500.

  • @jasongale1812
    @jasongale1812 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just my thoughts. Why not tell your buddy here is 500 bucks. Take his old car he obviously will never do anything wirh. Then use his good interior for the gold car. Paint the gold cae. Flip it then scrap the old sulver one. I mean come on 8 yrs? Man you are too kind. I wouldnt put up with more excuses. Just my 2 cents.

  • @SchnelleKat
    @SchnelleKat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pretty nice car! in michigan that's a 6000 car, depending on your area.. These have skyrocketed in pricing as of the last few years. worth saving. I'm looking for a 75 LeMans Sport coupe. not much luck so far. I've got a 79 LeMans.

  • @fawkyoufromjones
    @fawkyoufromjones ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I say fix it up a bit and stick it in the collection. Same with the El Camino. The way prices are going I bet these cool 70s cars will be worth $20K in just a few years. Make money off the clunkers till they appreciate.

  • @mana-ma-non3072
    @mana-ma-non3072 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Probably not worth it but this car would be more appealing if they had a better bumpers and grill conversion. Seems all makes struggled through the late 70s with their designs. Late 60s early 70s all car companies were on top of their game

  • @Rlearls
    @Rlearls ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Had a 74 and a 77 Elcamino parts for them were hard to find

  • @ssan3257
    @ssan3257 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such a nice looking car. I know its yours and you are going to do what you want, but I hope to return it to stock and paint it the original gold color.

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว

      paint prices are through the roof so original metallic paint is out of the question

    • @jamessharp9790
      @jamessharp9790 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@clunkersandclassics like how much per gallon for catalyzed enamel or urethane with reducer and gardener? About 350-700?

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamessharp9790 probably closer to $1000 for the paint I use. Base/clear in PPG or the like probably around $2500-$3000

    • @jamessharp9790
      @jamessharp9790 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@clunkersandclassics have you used any of the Summit Racing paints?

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamessharp9790 They don't mix paint to factory colors. It's acrylic enamel and probably won't last here in the south.

  • @eugenenuglene7524
    @eugenenuglene7524 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That wheel setup would be perfect if for the Nomad

  • @matthewbegin3462
    @matthewbegin3462 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think this is a make it a runner driver, exchange a few parts to the elcomnio. Ask 2200 or lest offer take anything over 1500

  • @clydepodvin5026
    @clydepodvin5026 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not bad , probably take your buddy 8 years to buy it. Just touch it up and flip it.

  • @georgejarvis92
    @georgejarvis92 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    U can get parts 4 them thru Original Parts Group Inc.

  • @carlmeier7063
    @carlmeier7063 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keep the gold car whole , redo it on the cheap and make a profit , you can do it.

  • @greasy8eyes
    @greasy8eyes ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Art should buy it and use his as the parts car and fix up that faded one you just got

  • @tracywalters5606
    @tracywalters5606 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's the car I learned to drive in it ok leaked oil so bad I drive one for 3 years

  • @jly4517
    @jly4517 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After 7-8 years it's obvious Art is not serious about ever going to get his car done. Yours on the other hand is a far better prospect and requires less work to make it worth anything.

  • @SteelDreamsGarage
    @SteelDreamsGarage ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video

  • @abrdds
    @abrdds ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Door jambs... chevy copper colored?? Bullet mirrors/ parts are a zitch to find☹️

  • @captaindew3106
    @captaindew3106 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    got some new kitty

  • @hughiemaceachern5282
    @hughiemaceachern5282 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im from n.s canada that car is in nice shape in compared to if it were here lol

  • @devinmichaels6822
    @devinmichaels6822 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    U guys get some Kool cars , do you sell any of them .I like Laguna Chevelle cars . You call that rough nope! It's decent in my area.the one in back is worthy of fixing to . Chevelles Malibu are getting hard to find.

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't have any Lagunas but will sell this one and the 76 el camino

    • @devinmichaels6822
      @devinmichaels6822 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@clunkersandclassics what you asking for the red one El amino

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@devinmichaels6822 $5000 at this moment

    • @devinmichaels6822
      @devinmichaels6822 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@clunkersandclassics not bad price. Is it a 1975?

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@devinmichaels6822 76

  • @joe-hp4nk
    @joe-hp4nk ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tell your buddy to pay you what he owes you and come and get his car.

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He's paid up

    • @joe-hp4nk
      @joe-hp4nk ปีที่แล้ว

      @@clunkersandclassics Ok, I guess as he keeps paying keep working. But I really think the car's a waste of time and money with all the work it needs and like you say " they don't fetch alot of money on the market.

  • @TooFastTodd47
    @TooFastTodd47 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    looks like the cats gave it a good Cat Scan..car needs to be saved...

  • @jammer70s
    @jammer70s ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was pretty danged excited about this car until the end, when I saw the trunk floor..... ouch. That thing is roached. If a repair panel is even made for it, I'd guess you'd be looking at $400-$500 for the tin alone. :(

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      $400 for the trunk pan. I may have to scrounge up some metal from a junk car I have to fix it

  • @ssan3257
    @ssan3257 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dont cut up the gold Malibu to "save" the rust bucket.

  • @darrelkinney9856
    @darrelkinney9856 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OPG has new stuff floors and trunk area only thing is their a grand for each area all floors.

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว

      I found trunk pan for 400 but even that is too high for me

  • @brentcrawford7609
    @brentcrawford7609 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He would be crazy not to buy the gold one from you and have you paint it black and put his interior,and drive train in it

  • @DanzigDemento
    @DanzigDemento ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the mirrors are original just the paint faded different from the rest of the car.
    If you could get a hold of Art, he should by that gold car and take everything he wants to keep from his original and put it on the gold car.
    The black car is too far gone.
    Fix that gold car swap in the red interior and paint it black.

  • @frederickmcmillian9562
    @frederickmcmillian9562 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have a 77 Chevy Malibu Landau

  • @robertpimpo4698
    @robertpimpo4698 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How much you asking?I'd definitely be interested

  • @cruz312.9
    @cruz312.9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cleaner up and flip it if art don't want it. $2500.OBO.

  • @johncritch6812
    @johncritch6812 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Put seats and console from black one in it

  • @rescuedandrestoredgarage
    @rescuedandrestoredgarage ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Buy your friends car and use this one to make a sweet ride.

  • @robertsims6136
    @robertsims6136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    NICE VIDEO.

  • @steveshiriaev5750
    @steveshiriaev5750 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Art won't have the money! What you do is tell Art you haven't charged him, but it's time to sell you the car that is going to shit! You then put interior, and grill and stuff on yours. Then you can sell or add to collection.

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว

      He has money. His car has a lot of sentimental value to him.

  • @derrickwilliams84
    @derrickwilliams84 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll buy it. If the price is right. Just need to know where you are

  • @jeffreymiers8793
    @jeffreymiers8793 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Part the black car!!!

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      not my decision to make

    • @sbc383zz
      @sbc383zz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@clunkersandclassics Art's not going to do squat with the black car after 8 years. Maybe he hit's it big at the casino. lol

  • @kdog7617
    @kdog7617 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not bad I'd put a paint job on it then sell it and some interior work

  • @markmoats2456
    @markmoats2456 ปีที่แล้ว

    So it sounds like you Made your mind up and art is going to have a parts car witch is cool I like to see all classics back on the road just cause they are getting harder and harder to find but sounds like you're selling it to him. Then why in the he'll would you ask our opinion on it I would love to see what you could to to this car as a classic from your channel

    • @clunkersandclassics
      @clunkersandclassics  ปีที่แล้ว

      unknown whether Art will buy the car and spend $10k on bodywork yet

  • @slyboogey6263
    @slyboogey6263 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'ts a gem:)
    Fix it up

  • @heathlewis8104
    @heathlewis8104 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He'll I would pay more than 1500 for that the way it sits if you know how to work Metter the black is easy to fix

  • @erickort1987
    @erickort1987 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you have kitties running all over the place there,lol

  • @frederickmcmillian9562
    @frederickmcmillian9562 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Coyote classic sold a 77 Chevy Malibu Landau for I think 22,500