The 86 Track Car Rips - ITBs on an F20c vs Noise Meters & Black Flags
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ธ.ค. 2023
- The 86 Trackcar rips around Donington Park on it's first shakedown! Will the ITB's on the F20c blow the noise meters and get me black flagged?
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Great to see Baxter wandering around the workshop. Reminds me of my days with a couple of boxers keeping me company in the garage 👍
No need to get rid of the ITB's, just need to replace the foam filter with an air box & then feed it into an enclosed air filter like an ITG STAB99. Make sure the airbox is as big as possible & you will very likely gain some power, the small ones often loose power. Reverie would be a good place to look.
Was good to see the old pony from the outside for a change 😊. I wish I had counted how many times Brother Jay said dropped valve but I am glad he didn’t get his wish ha 😂 This thing is only gonna get better so keep on watching the white pony evolve
haha, people don't realise how mean Jay is in real life 😂. Glad you enjoyed the day dude! My brain's been on overtime with ideas ever since 😄
Yes I’ve had a Pracworks. One of the first in the UK.
Sounds incredible. Build quality is amazing. 100% upgrade over ITBs makes good power as well. Run with a 74mm throttle body. They will take many throttle body applications. The inlet has a 74mm opening. I ran mine on both k20 and k24. Made over 265hp peak na with standard bottom ends.
Great to hear! Thanks!
I know that BYP (Back Yard Productions) Racing run the PracWorks manifolds and have done very well at time attack in Australia.
AE86 With F20 or K20 or K24 has got to be a fantastic track day car, if it wasn't for the price of them.
Sounds fantastic.
Thoroughly enjoyed the video!👌👌👌
Love the old AE86!😍
Those old tyres seem to give you all the grip of crossplys! I love both the E36 coupe and the 86. Looked like a fun day out!
Also, there looked to be quite a vibration coming through the wheel, does the column need more support? Looked like it.
T1rs get really grippy once you get heat in them.
Loving the AE86! Can’t wait to see how you develop this one going forward. Excellent 😍👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Hi Phil from Driftworks 👋 This vid uploaded just as I walked in from work…..PERFECT after the day I’ve had, thanks 👍
The sound deadening I would suggest for that job would be the diamond/pyramid formed foam. The stuff that’s used for packaging in expensive parcels !
Real world experience 15 years award winning car hifi store in Norfolk.
Or an air box I guess.
Gorgeous soundtrack and car, its weird hearing the F20 sing with such short ratios rather than the ridiculously long ones they normally have haha
There´s plenty of people nowadays who make custom airboxes - just get one that fits over the ITBs and has a filtermat in front, should fix your problems and stay low maintenance, so you can swap it out if you want to ;)
Yeah there must be somebody who already has this, as not everyone wants an extremly loud car
This is going to be my new ASMR sleep video. Dear lord that engine sound.
Wicked vid dudes. I was thinking to myself ‘heh, I bet mr G will be able to hear it brapping from donnington’ and then like magic, he appeared on my screen haha! Adore this car, great to see it
When you were pulling onto the ramp at 4:50, the auto generated subtitles said "[Music]" and I 100% agree.
11:24 yep that drives me nuts with Donington. My first time there I had an official sprinting the whole length of the paddock to tell me to push my car to scrutineering (7:30am) rather than creeping along at idle as I had been doing. I told him I couldn't hear him because of the f*cking great airplane coming into land right above us. Not to mention all the gentleman drivers for Britcar arriving in their various Ferrari, Lamborghinis and Aston road cars at the time making ten times the noise I was.
really enjoying the 86 content 👍
Toda do a really nice s2000 carbon plenum for ITB's which has clips to remove it easily if you want to run open on the street. My NobbyBooth Carbon Plenum really brings the noise down on my ITB's.
Toda stuff is god tier.
that lunch... wow
I know Jenvey and Pipercross has universal airboxes, you will actually often earn power and torque with the correct one + pipe with air filter. Than just having it open with air filter directly.
Nice to see the Mac Tools jacket on Jay 👌 ive got one too they are awesome.
love the 86 mate! Surely you get all the bugs sorted out
Awesome
Everyone needs a jay in there arsenal,
Great fun
Braking noise limits on intake is great, long live the honk
Don’t know who’s got big balls Baxter or Phil. Having been brought up with Boxers the fact he didn’t jump up at the window is amazing 😂.
The Vauxhall C20XE on ITB's has the same noise issue. Easily solved with an air box and, ideally, a remote filter.
That dog definetly is like a boss here.
Tow of shame 😂
Better than getting beached in the gravel though
Great video - Combe next? :-)
I will never understand having "noise levels" at any race track!
Woke kids moving near them,
and whinging about hearing loud noises while drinking theyr herbal tea with oat biscuits
I thought it was if its close to residential areas
Especially under an airport runway. The planes are louder than the cars when taking off at East Midlands airport.
You mean grumpy old boomers? That’s who complains about the tracks in Australia anyway.
It’s mental. People move near a track/airport then have the front to complain about noise. Cabbages.
Holy shit that steering wheel shake 😮 Looks fun as shit though 🔥
This reminds me of the day we ran for drifting on loop 😂 didn’t Al call it backwards practice day.
Little did we know how lucky we were 😄
So bloody true and how things have got worse in the last 10 years
Be aware the rubber pieces on the end of the coil packs break off and will get stuck over the spark plug. Extremely difficult to remove and the spark plug tubes are not removable either. I had a code come up for what is normally timing chain. Car drove fine but would cut out randomly when eml came on. Start the car and drove fine. Every said timing chain but after some research and investigating myself I found it to be the coil pack. Replaced it last Xmas and not had a single issue since
On my caterham i have roller barrels and i can swap the foam filter with an aitbox if noise is an issue. Helps a lot with noise level and can be done in a few seconds.
Ran itbs on V6's for years luv them to bits, a good set of Headers, straight through exhaust, stand alone ecu and it's a great upgrade and a nice gain in tourqe & hp especially feeding them cold air from outside.... But sound deadening them is gutting, I got away with it on track days myself but once you start boxing them in that's gonna change air flow and upset the balance, then I guess you start asking yourself is there any point if your gonna get punished for sound....... Great vid, gutted for you with rules & regs, that really takes the shine off it....... Apart from making a undertray that's tight, some sort of sealed bonnet at the edges that's gonna be a tricky one to keep quiet, air filter socks will help but its gonna affect performance..... 😢 Good luck guys I hope u figure something out 👍
Amazing, Honda make the best and fun 4 cylinder engines and in a ae86 is an amazing mix.
The Levin is cool and all.. but.. PUPPER! ❤
Hi Lads, if you have time, could you go through a good setup on the equal length 4 links? I'm planning a design of a set for a similar but different old Toyota. Thanks for the content 👌
Phil - not a "tow of shame"... That's for when you put it in the wall. Being able to be pulled without damage to the car or truck is all good. Cheers
Seems like a really nicely built car! I had issues with my TWM/Borla ITB setup related to the design of the linkage and the TPS sensor jumping values at idle and on/off throttle. I think ditching the ITB's and going with a really nice single throttle setup is definitely the way to go.
Hope you solved the ignition issue. While you are in there, you guys should check the engine harness side coil pack connectors, or rather simply replace them. They get brittle and crack with age, creating a poor connection to the coil pack pins that can cause all sorts of random ignition break up. I've had it happen on two F20C/F22C engines.
Good to know. I definitely don't have a huge amount of faith that the ITBs and TPS are doing the same thing every time as we pretty much had the idle tune completely sorted, then it would change seemingly randomly.
We haven't solved the ignition issue. It just kind of unbroke itself which is almost more annoying.
@@driftworks That's exactly the issue I kept having with the same setup. Sync'd all the throttle plates, checked all the joints, replaced the TPS, tried different return spring setups, and messed with the calibration in the AEM ECU, but unfortunately never got it really sorted out before I gave up on the TWM ITB's. Loved the sound, but was too annoyed with all the little issues I kept having with this specific application.
K20 coil packs for the win!
There's a Pracworks on the Stanceworks Ferrari.
Can't say I have any experience with pracworks, but I'd be interested in those ATpower itbs if you did decide to part ways with them 🤔
Phil it might be worth looking on mk1/2 escort pages too, theres plenty of lads who run the f20c in their escorts who have to abide by db limits.
mega video
Cheers 👍
Jenvey make a air box for thers it would definitely quieter , Itbs are life 😊 Most clubman spec rally cars are fully built High reving n/a engines our k20 in the ef civic was built by buddyclub over there in England years ago we took it over on the boat it makes 280bhp rbc intake manifold with itbs it would make just over 310bhp
Mike from stance works runs a prac works intake on his k series 308
I had a MK2 Golf GTi 16v years ago (1 of many) Those Toyo tyres were all the rage with scoobys and other cars. I got a set for my Golf, the weather at the time was pissing down rain and I 360'd the car on the M60 hitting a puddle. Somehow saved it, and the next day bought Michelin Pilot Exalto's. Toyo - NEVER AGAIN. Probably a good drift tyre, but for the road them things are fucking dangerous. Edit: The Toyo's were on my car for 2 days. Sold em to a fitter at National Tyre for £150
Pretty sure Spoon from Jimmy Oakes is going to run that intake on his drift car, Might be a thing to chat with him :)
Super cool! Even though it rips to 9k, from the video it sounds like it could do with another 500/1000 revs 😅 poor thing 🤣
Phil, move to another country, sell the car or stop going to certain track days. Whatever you do, dont remove the ITB's! They sound awesome!!!
20 mins in, spot the fiesta 🙋♂️
Westfield lads use cabbage cannon type airboxes to calm itbs for track. Work inlet at the front with a filter over the itbs
Car is epic the marshal loved it 😂
If the head is coming off for uprated retainers, Rick Wood motorsport (cnc heads) does a great CNC head package for the F20 head 👌
Haha it's not, but out of interest what sort of power do you pick up said package?
@driftworks I'm not sure on an NA engine, but on the supercharged application I fitted it to we increased rpm from 9k - 9500 ish and went from 460 - 512bhp. Partly the increase was due to spinning the charger faster and making more boost though.
i wasn't expecting to see lunch immediately after they said "no power".
Hi Phil from driftworks
Pop down and see Ian at clockwise motion Craig has used him and Gaz has his number ( hard to get him on the phone ) he is the man on these engines. I know he has some special bits knocking about 👍 .
Those pracworks intakes appear to be hit and miss it would seem. Ive seen 3 setups so far of people using them on K-Series engines...and they've all made less power than a standard style intake manifold across the whole powerband. Im sure its worked for some setups though.
Interesting. Any idea what the differences in setup may have been? Also did those people do an actual back to back of standard and Prackworks intakes? as different dynos can make you happy or sad in minutes.
Phil, the Procrastination Master 🤣
I'm joking of course, but I do wonder if we'll ever see the E46 V10 ever finished, or if he'll be forever sidetracked by other projects hahaha
It's not procrastinating when I've very clearly stated that the car isn't for anything other than saving it from the scrap heap, and will possibly take ten years to get up and running 😂
@@driftworks nooooo not ten years!!!
although, maybe it has been 9 years or something since salvaging it already not? so is it coming to life in 2024?!?! 😍 hahahaha
I'm "complaining" but I enjoy the side-projects a lot! ;)
As always, loving the DW content. How was the F80 on track out of interest?
Very fast. This coilover kit I'm working on doesn't have the front camber adjustable top mounts yet though, so it was a bit pushy.
@@driftworks Is that on the cards in future?
I was hoping to see some on board and thoughts too. Later hopefully 😊
Yeah the final kit will include camber adjustable top mounts.
There may be another separate vid on the F80 if I think the footage is worthy of it's own video.
@@driftworks Was hoping you'd say that, love me some BMW footage. The exhaust seems to have made a nice difference to the sound
The ex owner gets extra points for the YOB t shirt🤘
YOB is love…
@IanGratton it is indeed my friend🙏. I always smile when I get a glimpse a t shirt of a great band that most people don't know.
15:35 does it cost extra to get recovered? or is it a part of the package
Part of the package.
yeah, but...... you are going to finish the V-Ten first though, aren't you???🙏
Whats happened to JaysNoTrackAction E30? 😂
I chose to do something else on the Friday before this that was track day expensive instead.
Sell the ITB's and do a turbo setup, it will be super quiet
It will produce more power and be quieter on a original S2000 inlet manifold bored out to run a 74mm throttle body with a forced cold air fed cone filter.
There's a balance though. I currently have a Honda engine that sounds like it belongs in an 86. I don't want a Honda engine that sounds like a Honda engine.
Sounds so much like a 3sge
AES2000
That wheel vibration looks uncomfortable. I guess they're like 50 pence pieces from being stood so long.
Watching you and Jay in the old stuff makes me really want to get my E21 M52B28 on itbs finished off. 😔
I'm pretty sure it's the propshaft angle. It's on my big list of things to fix.
Do it! It's worth the effort!
Just get an airbox made to cover the itbs
Lots of comments about the noise regs. You don’t live here! I’m in Melbourne and a whole track day would be horrendous without the noise regs as it’s a constant noise unlike the planes. I do like hearing nice sounding cars though, just not every day of the week!
Unless you lived there *BEFORE* the race track existed then you've got no right to complain IMO.
@@petec2583 just saying it would be horrendous if it weren’t for the noise caps that’s all.
You need to start offering passenger rides in this at £25 a pop or something?
db restricción in a race track....🤦
A very normal thing nowadays unfortunately.
NO! Not Pracworks. Gross. You must go Toda.
Bruv. You have that shop. Just tig up a nice basic rectangle box and have someone make you some flanges to bolt to the ITB’s to weld it to. Then run a cold air pipe straight to the fender.