My S65 powered E30 BMW M3 - Problems on the Dyno
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 พ.ค. 2024
- It was supposed to be a quick checkover of my S65 powered E30 BMW M3 on the dyno. It didn't go exactly to plan...
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Tom is an absolute legend.
Other than my actual engine builder he is the only guy to touch my car.
He will be up front and honest with you from the start, definitely knows what he is talking about and his previous projects and customers speaks volumes.
10/10
Probably the most iconic modern E30 M3 on t'internet. Love this car - nice work gents.
Just binged watched this build series over the last few days. Amazing.
You and Craig should go halves on a 2wd dyno, could really cut down some of your diagnosis time
Hub Dyno for Steady State Tuning would be awesome
Where would they put it?
@@eddiehp6108 a hub dyno would allow them to put the units into a corner when not using it, and not sure if they need strapping down but they could put anchors in the concrete
Felt like Phill wasn't particularly happy with the power, even after the last test run. And with all my parasocial capabilities i can tell its not going to stay like that 😂😂
@21:28 Jay knows. spoken like a true dad
Fuarkkkk this thing sounds good. It sounds very reminiscent of the V8 Supercars down here in Aus. Which in my opinion is one of the best sounds 8 cylinders can make. Far and away the best E30 in existence IMO.
Glad to see this back at it and grats on getting the issues worked out!
New season has started so i think it's time for a Driftworks Nürburgring trip !
The honk from that air box is savage! 😅
I have an s65 e46 that also made 360whp on the dyno. Im convinced that these engines need an X-pipe to actually breathe and produce the power they were designed to make.
i think this was at the crank, 360 whp is very healthy for a standard s65
@@neilstewart1208 Crank? How does the dyno back-calculate drivetrain loss?
@@icanturn6844 the drag on the rollers on slow down
360whp with a driveline loss if 20% equates to 432 at the flywheels it's probably not far away
Love it!!!
I love how absolutely race car the interior is. Awesome car guys
The M3 and 911 shot ❤
That induction noise though! 😍
Every time I see this car and more importantly, hear it in motion is incredible the engineering, complexity and precision.
Phill is really living that DTM touring car ownership dream we've all had XD
That induction sound at 06:44!!!
One of the realest car channels on TH-cam:)
Can I have a jumper 😊
God that sound makes me miss my S65, and mine sounded nowhere near as good as that! Thoroughly enjoyable video as always guys.
Probably nothing but at 6.29 the black hose connecting the 2 banks under the eventuri intake is collapsed at idol?
It’s just a balance pipe, but does need a metal connector in the middle.
Take it up to the legend that is RayWest at Thruxton. Honestly can't find a better bloke.
The you choke the lambda sensors with soot since it was running rich? Careful use of a blowtorch burns that off & they are fine again
I’ll lend you my e90 m3 to do a comparison, it’s still running your old Cup2s and should be comparable in terms of engine setup for power.
Dunno if there’s been a camera or cameraman upgrade but she looks a million bucks in this clip. Good grief. What a car!
Good old Iphone.
5:40 The tell tail on max rev's 👍
i see m3 i hit like 😎
Was that running in the 70's for coolant temp 🤔 that super cool how are your temp that low or is it the dyno fans?
If it’s an eddy current dyno (creates load via coils) vs rotational mass (created load based on centrifugal force from weight of the roller) the difference can be massive. Euro dynos are primarily the latter which read higher. This may be the reason for your low numbers. 🤷🏽♂️
One, I adore this E30, two, what are your thoughts on adding especially some Wind Splitters to the top of the front "wings"(fenders! I'm American lol) and potentially, potentially, a Taifun Grille and headlight combo, potentially of course, I know the splitters would look dope for sure 👌
I'd literally street drive this thing....still looking for a reasonably priced one to swap a B58/S58 into, the things never come up for sale in the US, if they do, they're convertibles or expensive AF
Is that a whole load of bots doing those first few comments lol? How nonsense are they
Yeah all the asses in profile pics and saying some weird stuff. Don't really know what they achieve.
@4:10 would have never guessed it was running super rich with those flames out of the exhaust on the video's intro 🤣🤣
hope you don't lean it out enough to kill the flames!!
No esta super rich...si fuera asi no haria flamas, para conseguir flamas se necesita una estequiometria muy precisa en desaceleracion...super rich o super lean no hay flama...
@@admlucius7298 Καλά, αν θέλουμε να είμαστε λιγάκι πεντακάθαροι, είσαι μερικώς σωστός ανάλογα με το πώς ερμηνεύεις το "υπερβολικά πλούσια" - αλλά η στοιχειομετρική αναλογία καίει μπλε... όχι το πορτοκαλί που βλέπουμε στην @0:48
The bonnet needs direct throttle linkage, full throttle going up on the catches...
Do you use twisted wiring for all the sensors?
My E92 made 439 (fly) at Surrey RR 👍🏻
6:30 why is that rubber hose that connects both sides of throtle body's so squished... Is that normal because of a vacuum or...
Yeah it’s vacuum. We noticed it too. It’s only a balance pipe, but could do with a solid connector in the middle.
Did 5 min of google´ing and it sound about right, a stock BMW E92 M3 V8 gets around 340-350whp.
"it doesn't have a lumpy cam in it" - why not?!?
Sounds like a heart breaker Mustang dyno
You didn't chuck the higher ratio rear end into it for Goodwood?
It's way higher ratio than I want already. It's in Nurburgring spec at the moment so is geared to about 185mph if I remember correctly.
Any updates on the V10 project?
I may be able to find some time later in the year.
370whp or engine hp? If whp, that sounds pretty good. If not whp, then definitely a little low.
At the Flywheel. If it was wheel I'd be very happy.
Probably the driver side throttle actuator is going bad and just reacts slowly or
Doesn't open fully
What makes you think that? There's no sign of any error with the throttle motors.
Is that colour Dyno Blue? 😅
Phil what colour blue is that please?
‘Santorini blue’ I think but could well be wrong
Rivera blue Porsche colour I think
what Goodwood day are you there as that's only 18 miles from me . Would love to see this in the flesh
We're there for RetroRides and have the late afternoon session on Saturday.
id get a pro mapper on this, like Terry Stamper. The level of immense quality on this build calls for it. Stunning build
Tom is a pro mapper...
@@holdawayt Hi, I have worded this incorrectly, dont mean to diss Tom or his team. I was referring to a mapper with high end motorsport experience and lots of grey hair, WRC, F1 etc. Sometimes these hyper complex ecu's like the syvecs require HUGE experience to fully and quickly exploit the massive array of options and motorsport focused strategies they offer. Tom says in this video he has never worked with one. Syvecs is a mature product of the life racing ecu range, they are incredibly complex. And I dont mean to say that Tom can't figure it out, I'm sure the chap is a star and is well suited to the task with the right amount of time at hand, It's just that at this point of the build with so many bumps and issues when the car has gotten to a point that it´s ultra sophisticated It might be a good idea to talk to people that can sort out an ecu issue in 1hr. I'm a powertrain development engineer myself,developed and built IRC and WRC engines... I can map link, aems, omex, gems.... But I would never dare to touch a lemans works level ecu like syvecs, prodrive or life racing, a small error could cost me a 35k engine or worse, I call Terry and he always surprises my with his vast expertise, the man is a genius. I was only trying to help, by no means am I trying to diss Tom who seems like a superb bloke and did his best here despite confronting a new product and wire issues. Kind regards
You can borrow mine, just loaded an evovle map on it 👍
Who built that chassis originally?
No idea unfortunately. Not Prodrive though. It was in a very rough way when the previous owner found it I think.
Why go to a mapper with zero experience on the ecu you are using?
Because we weren’t supposed to be mapping it. It was already mapped. This was supposed to just be a couple of pulls to check it’s not running lean.
Plonk it on an american dyno and it will make 600+ hp :P
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Gale banks would laugh at this dyno setup. Fan in front is made for RC cars, and you always dyno as car goes down the road, which means closed bonnet. 370hp at the crank seems right for the S65, the 420hp claimed was always way over. When they first came out they all dynoed around 360-380hp.
You defo go to the nurturing and get misha to scan the wing. It’s gotta stalling at the angle. Unless it’s for looks.
For a couple of thousand pounds wiring harness id expect it to be perfect . Not wired from the internet .
Enough of that, show us the del sol on the ramp
I don't want an older car again, but this makes me want an e30 so bad. They look so cool, especially on 18s and custom bodywork. I hate seeing them on 14-16s.
tell me you have bad taste without telling me you have bad taste
Repeat after me, LS swap
Not in a million years.
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I'm guessing we weren't meant to be able to hear the fart in the intro to camera? 😂😂😉
Wolt car 😂😂😂
I know is hard to to hear but stop wasting money in s65 engines, maintenance, problems, cost, power losses,..I see many many problems all the time with this engines, get a v8 coyote and you will never have any problems.
I’ve never had a single issue with the S65 so I’m not sure why you think I’d need to swap it. The engine is as perfectly matched to the chassis as you can get IMO. I like the Coyote engine, but it won’t be going anywhere near this car.
@@driftworks the s65 it’s well known for bad things in everything, I know sounds badass and revs high and it’s a BMW motor, but is not a good v8… not reliable even with good mantenience, problems with main bearings, compression, hp numbers and very expensive to do anything on it, I love the e30 and I love the project but I don’t see it very often at the track…it’s hard to hear but you won’t have those problems with any other v8s that are in the market.
@@santibh88 Bollocks
It’d still have 3 to many cams
I wholeheartedly disagree. The S65 is one of the best V8 engines to ever come in a road car. Most of the stuff regarding reliability is over dramatised internet BS.
The fact that this engine exists is a testement to the final years of the real BMW M devision ,before the era of turbo nonsence came about.
There is literally no other engine that I'd rather have in this car. It has never let me down, and there isn't a more perfect balance of performance, weight, reliability and sound for this chassis IMO.
The reason you've not seen it at the track is because I like building and messing with cars as much as I do driving them. The car has been off track for 9 months because I changed stuff, not because it's broken.
Every time you turn on this e30 I fell more and more in love with it despite the struggles. It run so good on track, cheff kiss!🤌