E30 BMW M3 Track Car - DCT Transmission Get In The Bin!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ต.ค. 2022
- It finally happened. I put the DCT transmission from my E30 M3 in the bin!
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"if I can pick this up then it's not 800 kilos is it?"
Absolutely love how Jay is just along for this mad adventure of shenanigans, and can both still look back and laugh at the cars you've made. So great to see!
True friendship Phil is a very intelligent human being tha realises there is a balance to everything in life including friendship which includes his loyalty to jay these boys are brilliant
@@adamdiaz8442 The dynamic duo I call them , wish my staff thought half as much as the relationship phill and jay have more like brothers nice to see and a great team . 👍🏻
Its that attention to detail with the engine positioning that splits you apart from other builders 👌🏻
and it will alter the C of G and better turn-in.
I went to snetterton few years ago for my birthday. I booked a ride in ex Roberto Ravaglia dtm m3, Unfortunately the owner couldn't make it due to technical difficulties.
Regardless I saw a fella with a mint escort cosworth running a pectel standalone plus a swedish dog engagement box. He was happy for me to jump in.
The car had 500-600 hp and its the fastest thing I have ever been in around snetterton.
I'm not sure if it had a strain gauge but every gear change there would be a massive shock wave followed by a flash that could be seen in the rear view.
Cheers dave
Have been watching this build closely as for years I have been watching to see if anyone can run a dct on aftermarket management. You were my last hope, but it has saved me trying to do it. Best of luck with the new box.
So happy to see you stop beating your head against that DCT box, and bonus shifting the engine.
Woohoo! Not before time 😝So glad you have made the change. Good things will come of this.
Cannot wait for the first track day video to see Phils reaction from a successful day 👏🏼👏🏼
My hero, love this car. It'll be next level with a proper box in it
So happy to see this video being made, the gearbox the car has always deserved. Really keen on seeing what the corner weight differences end up being.
Really look forward to updates on your amazing car collection stunning cars ! 👍🏻
Power to weight ratio has just gone up nicely 😀
This is such a beast, glad you’ve sent it on a new direction with the trans 😎
By far my most favourite DW build. Can't wait to hear the whine on its first track day! Phil, do a competition for a passenger ride at its first track day next year!!
I love this update for the E30, from what I've seen and heard the DCT only works well with a standard Gearbox Control Module. You've put so much into that setup too, fair play to you Phil 👏
Cheers. That's what I had in the gearbox to start off with. It didn't work.
Love seeing the 2 E30s in the workshop together 💪💪
Another great video.
I can’t believe how many people are trying to tell you what to do to fix the dct in the comments?! Or telling you to put a slower manual in. DID YOU ALL NOT WATCH THE VIDEO?!
As the camera was panning around I was hoping it would be a sequential, there was really no other choice. Looking forward to the next vid 👍🏻
Very nice upgrades and weight saving. Getting the engine centre weight too.
Love this build… after seeing Jay’s DW hoody and your hat I’m gonna need both will be buying soon 😂
Not the first but unfortunately not the last one who got tricked by the gearbox controller companies marketing. Sad to see so many DCTs sacrificed to HTG.
HTG?
stoked for this!
This car has just got even better, 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Your e46 and e30 are dream builds ... I wouldn't do anything different had my pockets been very deep 😆 serious toys
this is literally my dream build holy fuck, can't wait to own one
Excellent work once again. Persevering with a challenge is all well and good, but sometimes the right call is to give up and pursue a different solution. The DCT looked great to drive when it was on form, but I'm sure the sequential box will be almost as good, and WAY less problematic. Absolute win on the weight savings too! Top stuff 👍👍👍
Only problem what he has was htg gcu. with proper controller dct is great gearbox. So many waste they money to Gcu and then blame that dct itself is crap.
Drenth is just 30 mins drive away from where I live. I will go and see them. Big success with all those Dutch-made items on your BMW's ! Promising !
Marty should have done a special “in the bin” with consent to use for this 😂
I came here looking for a comment about Marty, I was not disappointed 😂
We need more of Phils ‘it was in my brain’ project ‘drifts’ 👍
love it!..top work guys 😎
I love it!! Thanks guys!!
Amazing work🙌
Need to find my comment from 2 years ago so I can "I told you so" 🤣. But in all seriousness this is definitely the right option for a dedicated track car.
Phil, I’m glad you binned off that particular DCT control method, I’ve had issues with mine for a long time. I’ve stuck it out and it’s at a point where I can use it on track but I wouldn’t trust going to the shops with it.
I’ll give you the keys to the DCT E39 M5 if I see you on a track day, see if our notes compare 😅
Love all of Phil’s cars great taste
Bless Phil. He does all the stuff I would do,….if I had the skill, money and will power.
My favourite car in your collection 😃
Favourite in the arsenal Phil, don't bend it!
Amazing work
thanks guys for the video Happy Days
“Things are escalating” love it
ive said it once ill say it again, your E30 is one of my most favourite cars on YT
This things going to be a weapon when it works reliably enough for you to get comfortable in it
Phil, you're a man of exquisite taste with the accompanying very high standards and thats why your builds are so good.
Most people would just deal with it, cheap out, or just give up.
You deserve all the props in the world for having that eye for detail and constantly striving for excellence.
That sadly is missing a LOT these days, so to see you time and time again doing what you feel needs to be done to make it right is not only commendable, but should be (Rightly) celebrated
Been following you guys from Australia since the forum days, never miss a video
Much appreciated man 🙏
That black m3 was low af on work mesiters is crazyyyyyyy dope af
Best place for it. Will never work optimally without the full MK modules etc controlling it. Especially if you’ve used it in an e90 or f80 where they work brilliantly it will be such a contrast on a controller/standalone system. Remember doing a Silverstone trackday with you on it and all you had were issues from that wretched thing.
Ha ha I knew as soon as I'd seen the DCT was going in the Bin you had splashed out on a Sequential!!
I love a Good Manual but for Track Work a Sequential would be the next level. Still fun to use but more focused👌
Another great video fellas
Cheers 👍
i realy love your videos mate
Cheers 👍
Unfortunately another HTG dream flushed away 😢
It's not a manual but I'm still going to celebrate this witha cold one! Party and fireworks time!!!
[insert mighty car mods "IN THE BIN" here]
We have a reliable track-tested solution for you, using the OEM TCU inside the DCT 😎 #CANTCU
Nice. I'm long done trying DCT solutions on this car, unfortunately. I'm not writing off aftermarket control of dual clutch gearboxes completely though. Once I'm confident it can be done, and that I'm not the Guinea Pig, I'd consider converting either the 964 Turbo or Murcielago to PDK.
@@driftworks keep us in mind if you regain your faith in the DCT though. 😀 Lets hope you finally get to fully enjoy the car with the new trans! 😎
Things escalated... 😂
🤣🤣🤣 When you had the light on the floor, you both looked like the guys who melted in Raiders of the lost Ark....
Holy crap, I didn't think those things weighed that much, that's pretty crazy.
Wasn't as gobsmacked at those gearbox prices as I expected. Seems like it's well worth it for all the faff you've had with the DCT. Hopefully that's going to be as awesome as it sounds.
lol, then go shopping for a Hewland!
Phenomenal work as usual guys!!👌👌👌
Very enjoyable video!!👍
I love that E30. Phil definitely has an eye for making beauty cars.
Cheers 👍
Cheers 👍
Can't wait to see it at Castle Combe :-) Sequential should sound ace!
congrats on the 200k subs
Cheers 👍
So lighter with engine weight lower and further back. Should make for a nice improvement. Interested to see how you get on with your first few track days once its done
No, Phil, you never have to explain to those who follow you. 😆
Wahey i got a set off rack ofset spacers from ypu guys going great 👍
Well this is very entertaining
Over a year ago I was tagged on your post by a follower saying you should do what I did and go sequential
You basically said my set up was shit compared to DCT 🤣
This car is so cool 😎😎😎
i was going to dct swap my e30 but the only aftermarket gearbox controller is the HTG and its absolute trash. i bought one to 8hp swap my e92 and it was suppose to be plug and play. it ended up being a total nightmare and destroyed the planetary drum of a built transmission and didnt even have open loop functionality. now i have the turbo lamik tcu and my e30 and my e92 are both 8hp75 swapped. i have a potentiometer wired to a foot cluch that disengages the clutch packs inside the trans basically creating a full sequential manual with working foot clutch and a torque converter. im waiting for my built k24 to stick in the e30 but the zf8hp with a potentiometer/foot cluch is literally an 8 speed full sequential that has a torque converter that will prevent rpm from dropping when youre heavy on brakes. my e92 8hp car is an absolute monster on the track it carries so much speed and is always at peak rpm for power in all 8 gears.. i cant wait to see someone build an actual race car with one .
Who’s plug n play 8HP solution did you originally start with that tore up the transmission?
@@hillperformancebimmers4026 htg gcu.
You guys and your silly words… a prop shaft, drives a propeller. Where is the propeller on an e30 M3? Haha
Keep up the great work! This is my favorite car on all the TH-cams
Holy crap, my build is an s50 with dct in e30 m3 replica, santorini blue...was just about to bite the bullet ona controller now I have doubts,if the controller is going into the bin I don't mind buying the bin 😬
Was the dct helical gears? The appeal of the whine off straight cuts has wained over the years but they do work.
Thought this was going to be the E46 update……. Another great vid though guys.
Love jays white BM it’s class too
Aren't there billet race "flex discs" that adapt between the two patterns? I think RevShift has one?.
I never understood why its called a propshaft, cars dont have propellers.
AT LAST!!! seemed like a great idea all of us would've tried but considering how many times it fails it makes sense to get rid of it
Always nice to lose 50Kg! All this and reliable instant changes too! Happy days 😏
Is that the m4 double clutch box? if so you can convert them to sequential
Love the proper sequential!
But have you ever driven a good H pattern dog box? I find them incredibly satisfying to use.
I have. I had a Jerico in my 86. If it was right hand drive I may have considered it. Despite having lots of LHD cars over the years I would never choose a manual LHD track car. I can do it, I'm just no where near as comfortable shifting. Maybe because I'm left handed.
@@driftworks That's interesting. Now, how hard would it be to switch the steering and pedal box to the wrong side?
In Australia we call them tailshafts
I was staggered when I weighed VINI the V8 MINI's gearbox at 81KG. Maaaad!
I met you year’s ago at bruntingthorpe we had fastest fiesta turbo
Long time ago
Ha ha Phil I hate to say it is turning into the cleetus of the UK 🇬🇧 lol 😆
I would love to see you guys try one of samsonas H patter gearboxes!!
Others have made it work. One chap sells a kit to fit the DCT from the M4 & has a DCT fitted to his V10 which is fitted in his e46 M3. The easiest way to get it working is to use the entire wiring loom from a DCT car & code out the bits you don't want.
That's using the standard DME.
heartbreaking to hear this, knowing how much effort you put into trying to make it work
curious to know why the calibration on the DCT would be so different for the E30
@@dizzy2020 there's plenty of E92 M3's doing more than 'some' track work using that box reliably.
IN THE BIN!!!!!!!!
I've no idea what dme/dkg combination is in this vehicle but I can tell you as a matter of fact an oem dme/dkg combo interfaced properly works 100% reliable as it does in the road cars it came in. Problems come from people. It's a shame you were unable to get the support you need to make it work as simply put nothing comes close to controlling these products as the equipment which was made to do so.
Piss Poor Preparation. Or Jay .... Can't stop LMFAO
Might be the HTG causing the issues.
Think my uncle used them box’s on his britcar e30 many moons ago
I'm honestly surprised this has been such an issue for you guys. The setup has worked elsewhere. Is a bit of a shame and I feel for you. The car is phenomenal when it works. The sequential is going to be amazing though 👌🏻 I'll gladly have the DCT & Controller....shipping might be a struggle though 😂✌🏻
It can 'work' okay for others. But do they track their car? Do it for more than 5 trackdays and still have a working car with no 'recallibration' or firmware upgrade and retune. & finally do they actually know how a DCT should feel?
@@driftworks yes.
anyway keep building awesome stuff 👌🏻 Enjoy seeing it ✌🏻
🙋🏻♂️ 5 track days ive driven too and from this year (most 500 odd mile round trips) and 14000 miles total dailying my DCT converted car with a GCU.
The track mappings the easy bit, getting it to be nice on the road at slow speeds is the real tricky bit
Actually jeff i cant see the point why to risk a car with the sh ... htg offers ...why ruin a great car with this crap
Can't wait to hear this thing! You're going to need ear plugs methinks!
I always drive with earplugs. My hearing is messed up from the years of doing this.
@@driftworks sorry to hear that :(
Have you considered bringing this to Players classic and taking it on track? Would love to see it!
I have.
@@driftworks i hope to see it next year then 😁
how about 8hp70? I see lot of people using them now since they are so versatile and reliable. Can even add clutch pedal and make them like sequential with turbo lamik
Not something I'd be interested in on a track car as it has a torque converter.
Phil, do you find you like one of your track machines more than the other? i.e., the GT3 over the Bimmer? I realize the GT3 isn't specific for the track, but considering what you've used ON the track....
I say in this very video that this is my favourite driving car of all time.
@@driftworks E30 Chassis M3 have won more races than any other saloon. Ever. Picked the best to do it.
@@driftworks this surprised me actually, given how much people rave about Porsches being so nice to drive on track and the number of Porsches you have (past and present)!
Was thinking of doing DCT with a K24 on a Silvia shit like this got me worried lol
You've come to the wrong place. I didn't get on with aftermarket DCT and absolutely hate the sound of K series engines 😂
#inthebin
Yeah, unfortunately DCT's don't seem to transfer well to other cars although there are aftermarket DCT's with their own control units but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Since your going full race car get rid of the gearbox donut and replace it with universal joint problem will be fixed prop shaft shop should be able to supply it
I'd rather keep the flex disc if I can. It takes a bit of shock out of the drivetrain which can save wear & breakage on a lot of components. There is no advantage in removing it at this power level.
Will the new box still run onthe paddles?
Eventually yes it will be air shift, but I'm getting it up and running with a gear lever to get the car back out on track this year.
Never add it what you've lost because of a project car, that's a one way ticket to depression 😂😂
I have this one in an is and it’s been giving me issues
Question: when you say "prop shaft", what is the "prop" short for? Just curious
Propeller.
So if its propeller shaft, whats it got to do with a propeller? Or is it cause its use to "propel" the car that its given that name? Sorry for the stupid question and thanks for answering 🤙🏽