Most painful caption loss ever. They've never won the Sanford and led the percussion caption the whole season only to lose it by the slimmest of margins at the last possible moment, to the dynasty who was coming off a sabbatical year. Props to SCV, they were as clutch as any line I've ever seen, but can't help but hurt for BAC.
Unfortunately it seems to happen a lot with Colin's lines. Look at the statistics from when he was at Cadets too. In quite a few years, his lines were leading percussion the whole season until the very end. It's a sad reality but it's competition.
@@blakman7 he writes hard stuff. But if he gets a group like 2013 again. There is no way anyone is beating bc. Also SCVs front was noticeably better than any other group. I’m sure if they let the judge on the field things would be weighted differently.
As much as I truly believe tom rarick is the best percussion writer in the game right now, McNutt’s understanding of melody throughout a drumline is just mind blowing. No other drumline sounds like modern-day BAC, and I don’t think any drumline ever will. It’s truly special.
Wonder where ALL the front ensemble videos are to show the other HALF of the groups?! That’s the whole other HALF of the Sanford that often gets overlooked. Respect the FULL ART❤
I enjoyed Boston's book and expression the most, with Bluecoats and Phantom close behind. SCV had a lot of notes played cleanly and they did an amazing job winning the prize but I would absolutely rather be playing Boston's book any day. Well done to all the batteries. And the people uploading great content to YT!
Robbed this robbed that, can’t deny scv man-handled that book and was just as clean. Props to both groups, but being able to come back after a year and pull off the drum trophy is really tippable.
To the people saying robbery, Boston didn't get 2nd tonight, Bluecoats did. SCV played the most consistently clean and earned the sanford, even though this was an incredible year for all of these drumlines. Hats off to all these groups for making it an interesting, innovative, competitive and fun season of drum corps.
SCV’s battery played the same content for 12 minutes. Singles and doubles… maybe 14 cheeses and 30 flams That’s not worth a Sanford regardless of what the front does. Are you surprised the same content was clean for the duration of a show that had nearly the same note density the entire time?
Field judges aren’t EVER coming back. ALL judges have a history and studied/played with others and have friendships-don’t trash a man without knowing them. Lietzke and Peter both also have strong affiliations. DCI sets these judging assignments!! The best you can hope for is a second Perc judge again.
@@karmew32 Teal was bold as hell giving SCV 1st in content on semi’s night. That’s the thing that irked me more than anything this weekend. His numbers management was also a joke. I think Leitzke made the best assessment of the weekend.
Idk how many times this has to be said, but Boston front plays material around the difficulty of troopers or 5-7 placing percussion sections. They play it clean and well but the content absolutely makes sense from that context. The only reason the score so high is because they have a very very hard battery book.
idk what was sexier, the bass pickup from bac, or the sound of basses in the distance prior to. i love the sound of basses from far during warmup lot. makes me feel very happy things inside
Damn this comment section is contentious. BAC, Bloo, SCV, and even BD to an extent were playing at an extremely high level at the end of the season. All of these students have a lot to be proud of - zero questions. Unfortunately, what happened before prelims, semis, and finals is irrelevant to Sanford determination. That being said I can’t wait to hear y’all’s commentary when it’s posted! This was an insane summer for drums.
I love the 3-night average approach. Makes it so much more high stakes for the performers and we see what happens two years in a row - consistency wins. Always love their books (from a self-education and playing pov) but the writing style isn't my favorite. Everything in it is impressive but always feel the groove/danceability and how it fits into the music isn't like things I enjoy. I liken it to: I like my percussion as an ingredient to the cake, not necessarily the just the icing. Don't necessarily agree with the finals content bomb they got again for the 2nd year in a row. I do know the pit improved from last year but I also haven't seen a lot video for the pit. Because SCV won drums on Saturday night I did end up winning my DCI Fantasy League by the slimmest of margins.
Ok but the result would be the same. I love the lines that Boston has been producing the last 5 years. Changing the vocab game, so sick but you can’t hear the grey flying?! This line wasn’t quite to the level as the last four years.
I just think all of the drumlines are playing some really great stuff that doesn't get the recognition it deserves without an on field judge to accurately judge it
@@AAyaPercussionThank you. I feel like I’m going crazy in these comment sections. boston’s content is unreal but there are clearly sections they struggle with. Lots of fuzz and some bad rim shots
Still my fav drumline and book of the year. Atleast they went down trying to push the envelope. Im sure they could go out and play completely perfect too if they had a basic ass book like scv. Tap 5, triplet rolls, single 9 city....maybe played 4 flams the whole book.
I think standing in one single formation and focusing on the Rhythms becoming more engaging is the right direction. At Berklee I studied advanced Polyrvhythm 1 and 2 labs. Those loose metric values would do wonders but you need to be serious.
CONGRATS TO SCV WINNING THE FRED SANFORD AWARD THIS YEAR!!!! ILL BE THE FIRST TO SAY I DIDNT SEE THAT HAPPENING!!! NOT EVEN ON MY RADAR…BLUE COATS, BOSTON, AND BD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER! AGAIN CONGRATS TO RENNICK AND STAFF AND BATTERY AND FRONT ENSEMBLE OF SCV!!! WELL DESERVED!!! HATS 🎩 OFF 🥁🥁🥁🏆🏆🏆🥇🥇🥇
I'm a fan of BC but c'mon now.... You gotta be some type of delusional to be surprised that SCV took drums this year. Ya know... the line that's won Sanford 5 times in the last 10 years....
@@karmew32 I think people were a little delulu on this as well because Boston and SCV never actually played against each other much. The few times they did Boston came out on top with a slight margin.
@@karmew32SCV scored that low because of some pretty rough timing tears, which is super rare for them. In reality then and Bloo were right on top of Boston the entire summer.
Love Boston! 🔥 Don’t love the people in the lot saying dumb shit to get a laugh. It’s obnoxious and annoying. Stop making it about yourself. I’m all for cheering and wooing but not the dumb phrases being said
@@mel-px7hl ever think that maybe those early season judges got things wrong? Because of coming from a year off SCV went on early. You would have to be as dumb as I am ugly to think that did not affect their scoring.
It's unthinkable that SCV could win High Percussion a year after almost folding forever. But, it does illustrate the reality that McNutt seems unable to except - cleanliness and musicality will always win. Boston continues to push the envelope, to a point that is not really achievable.
Bro they were literally dominating all year. BTW i think high difficulty being 99 percent perfect is way more impressive than a book like scv being 100 percent perfect.
@@ChrisPernaDrums But... it wasn't rewarded, which means... perhaps they weren't really achieving it. Either way, I'm not really worried about the opinion of pedophile Chris Perna.
@@ARZiehm if I was a perc judge I’d probably think it was harder to play more notes clean versus less notes. The overall show may not be as good but from a percussion only standpoint it would be preferred to show off the section more.
@@PleaseTuneTheQuads Agreed; The overall shows would suffer. Honestly, some corps do design to their strengths while being a detriment to other sections. And yes, there probably is more focus required to play more content, but at the end of the day, the judges are meant to sort the perc sections based on skill - the goal is for the "best" group to win. So if a line can play a clean triplet roll at 190, do they really need to do that more than once to show a judge they can do it? 5:45 is plenty of exposure time to show off their best skills.
Skitzo writing with no groove and impossible to get perfectly clean. Very mechanical and robotic. Rennick writing is more musical and grooves. SCV never stopped playing the entire show and better tuning. They are still playing notes... and super clean. Clean wins every time.
This is pretty much it. McNutt used to write with a lot of musicality. His Glassmen, Madison, and early Cadets books were fantastic; they balanced density and intensity with finesse. But since about 2015, his books have devolved into just a HARSH wall of noise with very little musical creativity. McNutt’s batteries have not played consistently at a dynamic below mezzoforte in years. Year after year, the numbers don’t lie - McNutt’s books just don’t get the job done vis-á-vis expectations.
@@thedarkknight5701 yep. Playing 200 bpm 16th rolls into 4s followed by 4 left shots into blind metered singles followed by 3s then 4s then 400 bpm 8 count roll with a few 4s sprinkled in, while cool, isn't going to win when it counts. Don't get me wrong. It's cool and I love watching it, but I get why it hasn't won and won't win. It's got to groove and show some sense of musicality.
I would like you to upload a video of the Boston Vic Firth learn the music and then if you can play that, you can critique the writing. You don’t have to like it, but they achieved a level of cleanliness with some of the hardest writing content ever written.
@@freshprince1784 Yes, the performers were fantastic. I think it was a disservice to them to have them play a book like this all summer long. It may have been “some of the hardest content ever written” - I don’t think that’s actually true - but to what end? It certainly wasn’t to play good, well-crafted music.
@@fitzgerald1337x uhh BD might have had the hardest book in the entire season. The amount of open space, rhythmic modulations, and the formations BD played definitely are harder. It’s on small margins, but true
@@karmew32 I doubt the collusion you think is happening is happening. It’s possible SCV just played better on the move and their pit cooked (which they did, saw it in person semis and finals.)
The quints have gotton so much louder after the migration to the FFS. Not good....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
Most painful caption loss ever. They've never won the Sanford and led the percussion caption the whole season only to lose it by the slimmest of margins at the last possible moment, to the dynasty who was coming off a sabbatical year. Props to SCV, they were as clutch as any line I've ever seen, but can't help but hurt for BAC.
next year for sure.
@@erroneous3493that’s what we thought last year…
@@pollorball20000and the year before
Unfortunately it seems to happen a lot with Colin's lines. Look at the statistics from when he was at Cadets too. In quite a few years, his lines were leading percussion the whole season until the very end. It's a sad reality but it's competition.
@@blakman7 he writes hard stuff. But if he gets a group like 2013 again. There is no way anyone is beating bc. Also SCVs front was noticeably better than any other group. I’m sure if they let the judge on the field things would be weighted differently.
As much as I truly believe tom rarick is the best percussion writer in the game right now, McNutt’s understanding of melody throughout a drumline is just mind blowing. No other drumline sounds like modern-day BAC, and I don’t think any drumline ever will. It’s truly special.
Wonder where ALL the front ensemble videos are to show the other HALF of the groups?! That’s the whole other HALF of the Sanford that often gets overlooked. Respect the FULL ART❤
What Mcnutt, the staff and the students are doing at Boston is quite frankly, way more fucking important than the Sanford.
I appreciate you saying that
Truly. Add it to the list of all-time drumlines Colin has cranked out. I’ll remember this for years to come.
@@scottyt5918 wise words
What they’re doing is Perc, their job is literally to get the Sanford💀
@@DagothUr69 it’s an east coast thing, you wouldn’t get it, jonz culture is just worshipping the ground Paul walks on.
I enjoyed Boston's book and expression the most, with Bluecoats and Phantom close behind. SCV had a lot of notes played cleanly and they did an amazing job winning the prize but I would absolutely rather be playing Boston's book any day. Well done to all the batteries. And the people uploading great content to YT!
Robbed this robbed that, can’t deny scv man-handled that book and was just as clean. Props to both groups, but being able to come back after a year and pull off the drum trophy is really tippable.
If they were just as clean they should not beat boston as bostons book is way more difficult
@@marklower007 nah, scv’s was harder
Amazing video. You got a really good spot. We were crowded on the right side. These guys and gal cooked for sure!
To the people saying robbery, Boston didn't get 2nd tonight, Bluecoats did. SCV played the most consistently clean and earned the sanford, even though this was an incredible year for all of these drumlines. Hats off to all these groups for making it an interesting, innovative, competitive and fun season of drum corps.
@@dornoko9969 this. Thank you. It’s all 3 nights that matter.
SCV’s battery played the same content for 12 minutes. Singles and doubles… maybe 14 cheeses and 30 flams That’s not worth a Sanford regardless of what the front does. Are you surprised the same content was clean for the duration of a show that had nearly the same note density the entire time?
@@FlawlessFlams We're judging DCI shows by the number of rudiments played now? what lmao
@@FlawlessFlamscompletely incorrect
@@FlawlessFlams SCV writes their book for the show. Boston writes theirs for the lot.
Some data:
Prelims Cont | 9.8, 2nd + Achv | 9.8, 1st => 19.6, 1st by P. Furnari
Semis Cont | 9.85, 2nd + Achv | 9.8, 2nd => 19.65, 2nd by M. Teal
Finals Cont | 9.7, 4th + Achv | 9.65, 2nd => 19.35, 3rd by M. Leitzke
#bringbackfieldjudges
Teal studied under Rennick, marched under Rennick, and staffed under Rennick.
Field judges aren’t EVER coming back. ALL judges have a history and studied/played with others and have friendships-don’t trash a man without knowing them. Lietzke and Peter both also have strong affiliations. DCI sets these judging assignments!! The best you can hope for is a second Perc judge again.
This. The 4th in Cont. got me in a stupor.
@@karmew32 Teal was bold as hell giving SCV 1st in content on semi’s night. That’s the thing that irked me more than anything this weekend. His numbers management was also a joke. I think Leitzke made the best assessment of the weekend.
Idk how many times this has to be said, but Boston front plays material around the difficulty of troopers or 5-7 placing percussion sections. They play it clean and well but the content absolutely makes sense from that context. The only reason the score so high is because they have a very very hard battery book.
Props to the videographer. Well done.
guy was fine until Hawk Tuah and then just got annoying
idk what was sexier, the bass pickup from bac, or the sound of basses in the distance prior to. i love the sound of basses from far during warmup lot. makes me feel very happy things inside
Damn this comment section is contentious. BAC, Bloo, SCV, and even BD to an extent were playing at an extremely high level at the end of the season. All of these students have a lot to be proud of - zero questions. Unfortunately, what happened before prelims, semis, and finals is irrelevant to Sanford determination.
That being said I can’t wait to hear y’all’s commentary when it’s posted! This was an insane summer for drums.
thanks for the video!
Where’s all the free drinks Colin was posting that he’d be serving? 😂
Not the vape cloud with the shot puduhduhs 0:52
Cigar
I believe SCV needed .15 on Boston tonight to win drums. They must’ve really popped a run tonight
Should have heard them in the lot. They were insanely cooking
They needed 0.1 to tie the average (and therefore win the trophy). They got 0.15
they were sadly piss clean
@@SS2Balls What is sad about this? I am not following. Seems like the salt is really flowing.
@@TobiasSmith-u9b very much so
I love the 3-night average approach. Makes it so much more high stakes for the performers and we see what happens two years in a row - consistency wins.
Always love their books (from a self-education and playing pov) but the writing style isn't my favorite. Everything in it is impressive but always feel the groove/danceability and how it fits into the music isn't like things I enjoy. I liken it to: I like my percussion as an ingredient to the cake, not necessarily the just the icing.
Don't necessarily agree with the finals content bomb they got again for the 2nd year in a row. I do know the pit improved from last year but I also haven't seen a lot video for the pit.
Because SCV won drums on Saturday night I did end up winning my DCI Fantasy League by the slimmest of margins.
What a crock. Once again they give it to the line playing a must easier book .5 percent cleaner than the line throwing down playing damn near perfect.
God damn. I’ve been MAJORLY favoriting SCV ever since I discovered them in 2012 but this is fire.
We need to put the drum judge back on the field
Ok but the result would be the same. I love the lines that Boston has been producing the last 5 years. Changing the vocab game, so sick but you can’t hear the grey flying?! This line wasn’t quite to the level as the last four years.
I just think all of the drumlines are playing some really great stuff that doesn't get the recognition it deserves without an on field judge to accurately judge it
@@tdubasdfgA second perc judge to be on field would probably get tired of watching the battery dance and hula hoop for half of this show
@@AAyaPercussionThank you. I feel like I’m going crazy in these comment sections. boston’s content is unreal but there are clearly sections they struggle with. Lots of fuzz and some bad rim shots
Still my fav drumline and book of the year. Atleast they went down trying to push the envelope. Im sure they could go out and play completely perfect too if they had a basic ass book like scv. Tap 5, triplet rolls, single 9 city....maybe played 4 flams the whole book.
Mr. Spock and Dr. Spock even the crowd said: SPOCK ROLLS!!!! SPOCKS SAY: FASCINATING!!! 🖖🏻🖖🏻🖖🏻
I think standing in one single formation and focusing on the Rhythms becoming more engaging is the right direction. At Berklee I studied advanced Polyrvhythm 1 and 2 labs. Those loose metric values would do wonders but you need to be serious.
I don't why, but the guy at 2:18 was getting on my nerves in the first few minutes of the video.
From the first day of the season till the end…. The best percussion, cleanest line won…. Well deserved SCV
10:22 Pulse ‘17 reference?!?!
I liked BC better than SCV
CONGRATS TO SCV WINNING THE FRED SANFORD AWARD THIS YEAR!!!! ILL BE THE FIRST TO SAY I DIDNT SEE THAT HAPPENING!!! NOT EVEN ON MY RADAR…BLUE COATS, BOSTON, AND BD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER! AGAIN CONGRATS TO RENNICK AND STAFF AND BATTERY AND FRONT ENSEMBLE OF SCV!!! WELL DESERVED!!! HATS 🎩 OFF 🥁🥁🥁🏆🏆🏆🥇🥇🥇
SCV was cooking in the lot across the street right before this. Almost tickless lot. Better luck next year for Boston for sure.
Sir this is a lot video for Boston Crusaders.
The people shitting on Boston’s writing or for not winning the Sanford are so cringe
Rennick is inevitable 😅
Truly. This was Rennick’s 2015 BD moment.
6:50 YEAH HB5
Your mic must have some noise gate or filter on it - there's no way a line could be that tight and clean.
"spit on that thang!"🤓☝
I'm a fan of BC but c'mon now.... You gotta be some type of delusional to be surprised that SCV took drums this year. Ya know... the line that's won Sanford 5 times in the last 10 years....
It was because Boston was 1st in percussion basically the entire season and SCV took the year off last year.
@@karmew32 I think people were a little delulu on this as well because Boston and SCV never actually played against each other much. The few times they did Boston came out on top with a slight margin.
@@kietey14 Winning by .5 (which is how much Boston's percussion won by over SCV at the Atlanta regional) is a more than slight margin.
@@karmew32SCV scored that low because of some pretty rough timing tears, which is super rare for them. In reality then and Bloo were right on top of Boston the entire summer.
@@yungtwiz “on top of Boston” when Boston went undefeated until Canton is quite a take
Speechless.
Jeeeeeeesus
Love Boston! 🔥
Don’t love the people in the lot saying dumb shit to get a laugh. It’s obnoxious and annoying. Stop making it about yourself. I’m all for cheering and wooing but not the dumb phrases being said
That's Boston lots for you. Bluecoats lots were the same way for the entire Lucas Oil era pre-COVID.
0:00
4th in content was the right call, and they let too many things go. SCV IS BACK!
Colin snubbed again.
I gotta disagree. Vanguard was musically better all season and their front was miles ahead. I still loved Boston this year
@@steph_lew "all season" is a fat ass lie. they were losing perc to bac all season up until last night.
@@mel-px7hl I stand on what I said. Ima say this… at the end of the day it’s just band my guy. Congrats to both groups for kicking ass all season.
@@mel-px7hl ever think that maybe those early season judges got things wrong? Because of coming from a year off SCV went on early. You would have to be as dumb as I am ugly to think that did not affect their scoring.
Pretty annoying crowd
Should've won the Sanford.
It's unthinkable that SCV could win High Percussion a year after almost folding forever. But, it does illustrate the reality that McNutt seems unable to except - cleanliness and musicality will always win. Boston continues to push the envelope, to a point that is not really achievable.
Bro they were literally dominating all year. BTW i think high difficulty being 99 percent perfect is way more impressive than a book like scv being 100 percent perfect.
And yet, they are achieving it... which is why it should be rewarded.
@@ChrisPernaDrums But... it wasn't rewarded, which means... perhaps they weren't really achieving it. Either way, I'm not really worried about the opinion of pedophile Chris Perna.
You can’t say its a robbery if the battery only plays 5:45 out of a 12:30 show
Would a show be inherently better if the drumline played for 12:30 of a 12:30 show? I think we all know the answer to that one.
@@ARZiehm if I was a perc judge I’d probably think it was harder to play more notes clean versus less notes. The overall show may not be as good but from a percussion only standpoint it would be preferred to show off the section more.
@@PleaseTuneTheQuads Agreed; The overall shows would suffer. Honestly, some corps do design to their strengths while being a detriment to other sections.
And yes, there probably is more focus required to play more content, but at the end of the day, the judges are meant to sort the perc sections based on skill - the goal is for the "best" group to win. So if a line can play a clean triplet roll at 190, do they really need to do that more than once to show a judge they can do it? 5:45 is plenty of exposure time to show off their best skills.
@@ARZiehm Somehow I can't disagree with this as much as I'd love to 😂
@@ARZiehm exactly
To everyone saying that BAC was robbed in finals, remember that percussion take pit into account as well.
@@ethereal_samurai4297 we know brother, they were winning perc all damn season is why people are saying robbery
Boston stepped up their front ensemble writing this year. There's a reason they led the caption basically wire-to-wire.
And Boston had an objectively better written and performed pit book. What’s your point?
@@mel-px7hl better than Bloo? Please be serious lmao.
@@yungtwiz considering they won perc in prelims and pretty much every show up until Canton, yes
clearly the pit did not lock in (enough)
Not really true, Iain Moyer’s front ensembles are always cracked. What bloopit and SCV are doing though is just… a whole different level of cracked
BAC’s drumline got robbed in 2021.
Robbed Again.....
no. correct placement
Skitzo writing with no groove and impossible to get perfectly clean. Very mechanical and robotic. Rennick writing is more musical and grooves. SCV never stopped playing the entire show and better tuning. They are still playing notes... and super clean. Clean wins every time.
This is pretty much it. McNutt used to write with a lot of musicality. His Glassmen, Madison, and early Cadets books were fantastic; they balanced density and intensity with finesse. But since about 2015, his books have devolved into just a HARSH wall of noise with very little musical creativity. McNutt’s batteries have not played consistently at a dynamic below mezzoforte in years.
Year after year, the numbers don’t lie - McNutt’s books just don’t get the job done vis-á-vis expectations.
@@thedarkknight5701 yep. Playing 200 bpm 16th rolls into 4s followed by 4 left shots into blind metered singles followed by 3s then 4s then 400 bpm 8 count roll with a few 4s sprinkled in, while cool, isn't going to win when it counts. Don't get me wrong. It's cool and I love watching it, but I get why it hasn't won and won't win. It's got to groove and show some sense of musicality.
I would like you to upload a video of the Boston Vic Firth learn the music and then if you can play that, you can critique the writing. You don’t have to like it, but they achieved a level of cleanliness with some of the hardest writing content ever written.
What I’m hearing you say is that Boston’s content got underscored :)
@@freshprince1784 Yes, the performers were fantastic. I think it was a disservice to them to have them play a book like this all summer long. It may have been “some of the hardest content ever written” - I don’t think that’s actually true - but to what end? It certainly wasn’t to play good, well-crafted music.
I am going to be that guy...Mark Teal at semis made the difference as to why Boston lost.
he did for
He studied under Rennick at UNT, marched under him at Crown in the late 90s, and was on his Phantom staff from 2005-2010 and SCV in 2011.
Mike Leitzke randomly saying BD book is harder than this is fucking absurd
@@fitzgerald1337x uhh BD might have had the hardest book in the entire season. The amount of open space, rhythmic modulations, and the formations BD played definitely are harder. It’s on small margins, but true
@@karmew32 I doubt the collusion you think is happening is happening. It’s possible SCV just played better on the move and their pit cooked (which they did, saw it in person semis and finals.)
Terrible crowd, like shut up
Robbed
robbed
I HATE THIS CORPS
your mom
@@erroneous3493 I'll fight you IRL
you have them but keep making comments, stop watching the video ret@rd
The quints have gotton so much louder after the migration to the FFS. Not good....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................