Roland TR-08 and TR-09 - Review
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- In this video I'm taking a look at the TR-08 and TR-09 from Roland.
These drum machines are based on the classic TR-808 and TR-909 from the 80's.
This is a run down of the basic functionality of the drum machines, a little demo of how they actually work with some sound examples as well as some of my over all opinions on them.
Spoiler: They're awsome for what they are!
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Truth be told, I've touched an original 909 and own an original 808. These are incredibly close. I've heard all of so called situations on drum machines and copied drum kits and these new boutique units are good for the day and beyond.
Nice to hear a real 808 owner say that!
Totally agree, the sounds are perfect, never heard any thing as good.
Yes I agree, I had an original 808 back in days and played with a 909. These boxes sound good enough without paying fortunes for the originals.
Good review bro! Keep em coming
just got the 08 and it is absolutely amazing!!!
Very well done review. Don't get upset about negative reviews. Time will tell...
Excellent talk. Its about fun and creativity. I think it’s better to use whatever we enjoy using that gives us the sounds that we want.Thanks for a very well done video.
Thank you Perry! I couldn't agree more!
I always pefered a kit with the 808 hi hats with the 909 kick and snare so the TR-8s is my best bet. I love you spin on the sound of these units, "they may or may not sound exactly like the originals but they sound great". I completely agree.
Thanks man! I really think the usability and the fun a device like this can bring to the creative process as well. Workflow is everything!
Thanks for watching
Being an ageing Producer, and being around analog/digital synths and drum machines for many years...I take my hat off for what Roland are doing these days. I know the anal analog only brigade have their opinions on “non digital” units. But these things are great. I for one love working with them. 🎶✌🏻
>the anal analog only brigade
Nice reviews! Keep up the good work 👊🏻 Boom
Excellent video. I just stumbled upon your channel. Love it!
Thank you sir!
100% on the "original vs reproduction" the whole idea for me is an affordable method to be inspired on the fly. I personally find it very creative using a physical device against software. I always find myself being considerably less lazy during the process. Thanks for the video!
Good breakdown, thanks you!
Having these two, my Modal Cobalt 5s, Dreadbox typhon. Nice portable set up. Using two drum machines is killer Thank you
Great vid - super production quality 😎
Thanks
Starting at 6:47. That’s such a good groove! I know it might not seem like much but it is 👏🏾 I’m so use to putting the snare on 5-13. The way you use swing and substep is amazing. I learned so tricks no doubt. Dude that’s such a sick groove, starts getting crazy when you program the 2nd part. You should do more with Roland gear, your really great no joke 🙌🏾
Great review … thank u
Nice review !
I myself have the Jp08 and I think they did a great job ! The only problem for me is that the knobs and faders are ridiculously too small ...
Your cool asf bro. Much appreciate your time & vid. Thanks homie 💪💪💪💪
Thanks a lot :D
Love my TR-08
Kool stuff
Excellent and instant fun in that intro second of this video Accurate, more of that!!! =) Those two devices sure looks fun to play with (though a bit small), especially the buttons. Might be good if you want to bring it for a gig? That swing was really cool. I noticed you run Logic in the background. What's your main DAW at the moment? Great video man!
Thanks man! Yeah, they are just so much fun! Sure, the buttons are a bit small but for these devices I actually don’t feel like I need anything to be bigger.
Sure, Logic in the DAW I use if I’m not in Maschine. I edit video in Final cut as well so I guess I’m just a Apple fanboy.
Awesome, same camp here. Macs all over the place. Do you own the Roland SH-01A? Did you try it? I'm looking into bringing one to use with Omnisphere 2.5. Just saw that OP-Z was launched. But seems they are all sold out, wonder why? ;)
Haha, yeah the op-z is crazy! I bet everyone wants it, me included!
I don’t own any of the boutiques actually. The TR-08&09 are just a loan and I’ve unfortunately never had the chance to try the SH-01A either. I’ve seen a lot of the demos though and it looks and sounds really cool!
Thanks man!
Hade one. Great machine. Just switched to tr8s🙌
I have the same hat. Good video.
I have the same paint on the wall
They may not be analog but you also have to think of this. When you run it through a daw 100% becomes digital, and you modify everything with Compression, EQ, Warps, etc to suit your style. These are amazing devices
Nice
thanks man
Excellent review from beginning go end, thank you. You saved me a lot of time and research into those machine.Just to be clear the tr8 and tr8s will do what both of these machine will do, and more?
Jason Bryan thanks! I'm glad you found it helpful :)
And yeah, you’re pretty much right. If you want these sounds and more plus some extra stuff thrown in there I think tr8s really is an amazing unit.
The looks and the original workflow is a big selling point for the tr08/ tr09
Thanks for watching
Great video.... @ 2:05 Behringer says hold my beer on the TR-808 analog clone they've got coming lol
Yeah but have you seen Behringers 808-day video? It looks and sounds like a piece of shit to be honest... I'm not holding my breath :p
lol Yeah that video was terrible (especially the bending of the box) but this one is a better representation th-cam.com/video/zQPsln1d-Ek/w-d-xo.html besides that the TR-08 uses processed samples. So it better sound good..
Ave Mcree yeah, I’ve seen all of the videos now. It looks pretty cool and I really hope Behringer nails this one. I still have my doubts but I’m sure I’ll be proven wrong here :)
@@AveMcree The TR-08 does not use samples. It's based on analog modeling (DSP) of the individual components.
I’m picking up an “as new’ used TR-08 2morro ... it’s destined for the jazz end o/t “groove/beat” spectrum ... the jazzy side of House, D&B, acid-jazz, nu-jack, remix-jazz, fusion.
it was nice .. I want tot try tr-09 also, but can't find it right now new or used for good price :)
Can you show us how does it work with DAW? How to transport from hardware to DAW? That's interesting thing and good review!
Thank you for the review. Can I connect any of theese drum machines to my Roland SP-606 so they synchronize? And, if TR-08 has one output - does it have only mono sounds in it? No stereo ? Thank you
dude looks a bit like MC serch. i kinda want these.
4:22 "Less is more sometimes"
Came in to tell you to try the could vst
Been waiting for this review on this channel.!😂
Oh? I'm glad to hear it! I hope you found it ok? :)
Great video, both sound good but the roland’s tr8s kits sound better.
Can you build the rhythm for a complete song with these units? For example, create pattern 1 for 4 bars for the song's verses. Then pattern 2 used for the chorus. And pattern 3 used for the bridge. Combine everything, save as one stereo audio clip. Then transfer to laptop software?
I have the 09 and you can program whole tracks easily. It’ll play any sequence of patterns. You just build the track a bar at a time.
This sounds amazing he said while the mic is clipping:p
Had a few more questions so I sent you a e mail to accurate beats, thanks.
Right can you have straight hi hats on one bar then dotted or triplets on another bar and have them play one after another? I'm thinking song
mode and trap music where you get the hi hat patterns. I own a tr-09 and haven't thought about it yet but how would I do this with swing in tr-09? There needs to be more tutorials on these little beasts. I think Roland should update a way to record pitch automation to make bass patterns with toms or the 808 kick. Anyway nice video
clever beat programming...
Hey great review? Can I connect this directly to MPC one with USB?
+ Accurate Beats what setting allows you to fingerdrum like that at 0:16? I just got one of these and found the folded-up paper tablecloth of a manual to be less than helpful.
On the TR-08, press the MENU button, then use the VALUE knob and scroll to the right until you see "GAIN" on the display. Buttons 1-12 will light up, and you can now press any of them to make a sound. To exit out of this mode, press the MENU button again.
Hey accurate, nice Video as allways. I got a question. Which Drum Machine got more "Punch"? The tr 08 or the Drumbrute Impact?
Hannibal Actor Have you ever tried a novation drum station, great punch and fantastic sounding 808/909 sounds.
lardosian No. Never had a Chance.
It's hard to compare them like that. The kick on the tr-08 really has its own identity and the snare has a great snap to it as well.
The Impact is also capable of creating some really heavy sounds though!
"Punch"... ??
I'd say it depends on what kind of punch you're looking for but maybe the tr-08 has a slight overhand for house or dance tracks right of the bat?
Hard question
Accurate Beats To be honest, i expected a answer like that ;) anyway, its interesting that a digital Drum Machine like the tr08, can hold her own against a fully analog Drum Machine like the Drumbrute. Any plans to use them togehter? Running the tr08 through die Distortion Section, combine the individual Sounds...could be fun!
Yeah! I actually asked people on Instagram if should do a video using all of the drum machines together or just make a sample based beat video with the tr08/09. So I was thinking just that :)
Although it seems like the people voted for the second option I might make a drum machine bonanza video some time :)
Do these connect to a computer so that the audio can get into your DAW?
While these boutique devices are useful and all they still pack a hit to the wallet at $550 CAD. I like the form factor. I thought you'd flip these devices up on the angle. I enjoyed the video, thanks.
Oh? They're not that expensive here in Sweden.
I do actually flip them up for just using them. For this video it was easier to leave them down.
Thanks for watching!
Can we provide automation decay kick?
would be nice to have some individual outputs, maby not for all the drums, like 4 outs and to "route whatever you want trough them, just so you can add some "individual effects"some pedals/reverb whatever. i'm also curious to check the new roland plugins for the TR and see if they sound like the new"boxes. nice video; first to like^^
The cool thing here is that you get all the different drums out on individual channels over USB - thats all I'll ever need for mak9ing this one usable in a daw.
thanks for info, indeed a nice feature.
Can I sync up to my Volca with these?
I wanna see you make lofi by only using your sp404
Give me a couple of weeks and that will happen! :)
ayyy can't wait! Love your beats and videos
Help! I want to buy one of this but I don’t know which is better. Which do you recommend?
It all depends on personal preference. They are both really cool but I definitely used the Tr-08 way more than the 09 when I had them. But again: that’s just me.
Your preference. I would say the 808
Can the tr-08 run off just batteries?
Magic ears is not that important imho.
What do you run these machines through.
A 101 comparisson on same desk speakers and everything might show but so do two differently aged 808 or 909s.
Got the VP-03 (vocoder) myself and it is great fun shouting Kraftwerk stuff through it.
Thats a valid point actually! the 808's and 909's sound individualy different! Thats so true
Can we put in our own Sounds on these newers ones? That'd be cool.
Toee Rivera no. Buy a sampler.
I like having those sounds on maschine mk3. They sound fine to me. What do you think?
Maschine MK3 comes with some 808 and 909 samples but... This one just makes better ones :)
i write house and dance - do I get the TR08 or TR09? is the famous cow bell only on the 08?
09
The famous cowbell is only on the TR-08, but Billy is right - the 909 is the classic drum machine for house music. You can just get a sample of the cowbell if you actually want to use that.
12:39 The more the merrier imo.
How do you do the tr-08 make live sounds my doesn't
You know that button on the far right that gives you access to the extra functions?
If you go to “gain” all sounds will become playable from the knobs :)
Nice , thank you for the fast answer.
02:30 totally agree with you here its so pointless to complain if something doesn't sound 100% like the original but if it sounds good who cares? I only care about it sounding good
Yeah, thats always the most important factor. Plus I really love using the Tr-08/09 - they are SO much fun
Accurate Beats I bet they are ! i also like that you can power them with battery for extra portability
Accurate Beats only one output.
@@SPAZZOID100 False. Individual outputs over USB, which are superior to analog outputs (zero noise).
Closed hi hat Doesn't it get toned?
Nice, but I can get close enough with free VSTs, DSK put out a pretty good one.
Learn how to use hardware.
TR-8S!
Happy owner here. What an amazing piece of kit...
I’d love to take a good look at that one. It seems amazing
I paid 800$ for my tr 909 in 1988
lucky
That's almost $1800 today. Still way cheaper than people are selling them for now!
But what about the 707?!?
I wonder whether we'll get a TB-03 and TR-06...
Thank you!
The TB-03 was released before the TR-08. The TR-06 is out now.
Good review/demo, Accurate, but FWIW, I have the TR-8 with the 7x7 expansions and IMO it's a *much* better deal by far, especially now on the used market. Apples and kumquats, I know. Granted, with the TR-8, you have to live with the *hideous* AIRA color scheme, BUT you get all the Roland #x# sounds except the 505 in a single package with built in effects, lots of hands on controls, USB, scatter, and as of 1.10 step loop. I get the Boutique concept, but for the same money, you can get the whole Roland library knocked out once and for all. Seems like a slam dunk to me...
You know what?
I wish I was like you! I wish I could live with the TR-8 but... The color scheme is just too much for me to deal with. I still have huge issues with the DrumBrute Impact and the orange stuff going on there. The green on the TR-8 is just... Too much.
But yeah! You get it all, in one box. I definitely see the selling point there! :D
I went with a TR-08 + TR-09 because I can use the full set of sounds of both machines at the same time. The TR-8 or TR-8S do let you mix and match sounds to create your own kit, but you're limited to 11 sounds instead of 22. I also love the look of the originals, and wanted the original workflows too. And the TR-08 has one other trick up its sleeve - you can use all 16 sounds simultaneously via MIDI notes.
Please do a review of the Elektron Digitakt. I’m waiting for it
R. Maldonado - search TH-cam for mega in-depth review of Digitakt by Cuckoo ...
This is true. That video is amazing
I would say, every Cuckoo Video is amazing;)
Accurate Beats - I've re-watched that video many times and still pick up ideas ... love your stuff too, from a different genre.
My top 4 are Red Means Recording, Cuckoo, Bo Beats and yourself in no particular order 😎
Hannibal Actor thanks
Wouldn't a THRU be more useful than an OUT?
Maybe... But it's nice to be able to run them through eachother using the "mix in"
Please 120 bpm and a complete Miami bass instrumental 😄
Haha! Unfortunately this is not the channel for that :)
@@AccurateBeats
I have to do it by myself 😅
These need at least 8 ANALOG direct outs.
Sure! That would be an awesome addition! They have individual outputs over USB though...
Still not the same as real individual outs
TR-8S has plenty of outputs.
some Deesser would be nice for the video voice
where can we buy both new ?
Portugal Designlab ZZounds or Sweetwater online.
Portugal Designlab I’m seriously considering getting the TR08 for my drum arsenal just because of the portability alone
thanks for review. can they work without batteries when usb is connected?
Yes they work without batteries when connected with USB
midi and midi Din is not the same ; same port but you won't use for the same purpose ; Din sync is a Roland sync protocole that pass through a midi port ; but inside the circuitry it doesn't work the same ; for example my X0Xb0X have 4 midi port, in, out, thru, and Din ; I can't use the Din port to send sequence or use the midi in to send Din ; I'm not sure you were aware of this so I comment but I like your vidéo and your skills :) cheers :)
You are right!
Im not an expert on circuits and I appreciate the wisdom coming from you :)
no ac power?,,Tr08
They both can run in batteries :)
i think it's another mistakes of Boss-Roland Company,,,this device is very great,,,,,but they don't realized that if they do Gigs outside that they don't have any Loptop or Pc the show must go on,,,,,how about if we are Acoustic Player,this device is our drum truck so if the batt.lost what's happened in the middle of the show?we don't have Loptop to powering of it,,,,,,,,,,,,oh my God Boss/Roland,,,,,,,,,if they have an Ac socket is so easy to go in any Gigs that we don't worry about a power supply,,,there are so many Boss PSA adopter that they do on many Samplers on Roland,,,,,, oh my!,,,,,,,Roland fault again,,,,
You can power them with a USB cable and any wall adapter (like the ones that come with smartphones). Does not require batteries.
Listening to you talk is the audio version of ambien
Michael Ortiz point taken... I'll make the audio on the voice better next time.
Accurate Beats just talk like you care about the info your giving. I like the content and info. Its just how you deliver it
Actually no. I like the videos to be on the down low when it comes to the energy I give. I'm not an actor like that, music and gear are the focus here, not acreaming and pretending to be all hyped up like the kids on TH-cam. Thanks for the feedback though.
Accurate Beats do you watch techmoan? He's one of my favorite channels because he skips all the skits and over acting for raw information. Any one that watches his videos will tell you that from just listening to him you can tell he cares deeply about his subject. I never said anything about overhyping anything. I just said it would be nice to see someone who doesnt look like theyve just woke up from a nap and is just going through the motions. Microsoft sam sounds like he cares more than you
Michael Ortiz ok
Can it be used as a controller for a plug in?
Which is better for hip hop ....?
TR08
@@savanaviolenta thanks
I would recommend to use a de-esser cause the "s" is super harsh on the mic. And the Pop-Shield is weirdly damping the mid, maybe use a different one.
I hear you
IKEA batteries
Didn't the 909 come out in 1983?
HUMAN. BEING. 1984
James Reeno ok Wikipedia needs an update then
The prices on these has really dropped. Stores near me can't give them away, almost. Everyone's waiting on the Behringer, and for Roland to get the hint and do more analog (perhaps together with SE, again?). If they have any brains, they will ...
I hear you, I hear you.
Have you seen Behringers 808-day video though? That's just terrible
I hear you, I hear you - too! :)
Yeah, it made the TR-08 look A LOT better than before (the clap on the Behringer - "what the?!") ... will have to see what the final production model is like ... I'm assuming 'Uli' isn't so stupid as to ignore all the feedback on that video & the like ... ... Cheers bro!
Kieren Moore it’s not the fact that they are digital, it’s that these only have a single analog out.
James Reeno - well, I'm sure it's both, to differing degrees, for different people.
... jeez, where you been for the last 12 months ?
if its digital, then isn't basically as good as any VST/plugin? couldn't you describe it as a hardware controller for digital sound making?
Jude Sherwood Well sure! It’s not a controller for a software but yeah, it is kind of a controller for its own built in digital engine. Just like the DX-7, the OP-1, any Pocket Operator or the M50.
There are VSTi’s that offer ma more flexibility and options than these drum machines and the original ones are analog where these are digital.
As I was saying in the video:
These aren’t the most versatile or powerful drum machines out there but they are really good for what they are.
Hardware is (to me) a lot more fun to use but you’re right... Software can really do a lot!
Thanks for watching!
Is your voice clipping or is it my set-up? It's kinda distracting in either case. Maybe it's just me.
No, its totally my bad. I'm still thinking about taking this video down. It'll never happen again (hopefully)
I'd go for the Behringer clones. Mostly for the price and decent output options. If you dont have an interface with many inputs maybe the roland is the way to go as you can switch it to an audio-interface and record into the DAW.
Logic, Q-Bass, FL Studio and whatever... Ahahahha... Ableton? - Whatever 😂😂😂
So if I were to get one? 08 or 09? I guess I'm not really sure what the difference is?
Behringer RD-808 is what you should save your pennies for.
Seen Behringers 808-day video? I really doubt that their 808 will be any good at all right now
i havent seen that but i did see the sonicstate preview video and it sounded great, all analog
Accurate Beats you’re a loser bro, these people go out of their way to comment on your videos and you just spread hate and all based on one video? Is Roland paying you or some shit because your support of them and hating on Behringer just makes you look like a shill
Oh I so sorry if I came off like that. I was just kinda shocked that the demo of the Behringer was so bad.
I know it’s a prototype and I agree I was a little too hard on it in my comment.
I understand that the build quality will be something completely different from whats shown in that video and I’m sure Behringer would never release a product that sounds like that either. I think it’s really stupid of Roland to not make an analog recreation of the 808 themselves and I have very high hopes for the RD-808!
I’m sorry if you felt like I was spreading hate with my comment. That was really really not my intention. I’m a sincere fan of the TR-08, I think it’s a lot of fun to use. I might be a “loser” but I’m not dumb... I do appreciate analog circuitry as much as the next guy and I’m looking forward to the release of the RD-808.
I’ve also checked out all of the videos on the RD-808 now and yeah... The 808-day video was by far the worst, maybe even the only really bad video on it.
Thanks for your comment man. Really made me think
Accurate Beats wow man tbh I wasn’t expecting such a genuine response from you. I only said something because I noticed about 5+ comments where you immediately shot down people being excited for the behringer clone and it really left a bad taste in my mouth as I’ve also been excited for a bigger/analog version of the 808 whether that be from Roland or a third party. Thanks for taking the time to explain your feelings towards the situation and not just lash back at me. You almost lost a potential fan at first but you may have just gained one with this response! Stay cool man!
Had to edit some stuff its late and I’m tired lol
They sound nice but you dont really need them... i sold them both.... If they only were bigger with more outputs...
Need and need...
The individual outputs over USB is actually good enough for me anyways.
Thanks for watching
Yeh... but good original samples loaded for example into the digitakt are way more fun imho...Liked the usb also and the jamming ... just saying better they b4 buy...
nice channel BTW... always good stuff here. ;) keep going!
*try b4 buy
Accurate Beats that feature is TEMPORARY.
"Which manufacture would..." behringer does what roland don't ;)
Right! I just saw Behringers 808-day video and that is just awful! I seriously doubt Behringer will win this one
Accurate Beats why? Sure, build quality isn't good in the Video but behringer said that it is just a prototype pre production unit.
The final RD-8 sounds (and looks) pretty good. I'm sticking with my TR-08 though. Sounds fantastic and has much better DAW integration. The individual outputs over USB work a lot better for my setup, and the whole thing is fully controllable by MIDI.
Dude your mic is clipping...
Got some vocal clipping going on there..
I know... ill fix that in my next vid
at 2:06
the answer is Yamaha. or a few others.
Roland can’t make anything after 1998.
I’ve been looking at this and the Behringer RD-8. I think the Roland sounds better.
Not worth of buying in 2018, because one can use G-Stomper Rhythm or Caustic or Transistor Drums 2 (free VST) or RVK-808 rompler (free VST as well) instead. One of my drum-machines is made of G-Stomper Rhythm on android tab + cheap Zoom B1on (as an SFX-module) - I can pack them in my notebook bag and produce beats anywhere! The same with Transistor Drums 2 VST - just install it on any old netbook with free LMMS, take the cheapest midi-controller and you will get the incredible drum-module ready!!! The hardware equipment was actual back in 1980s-90s, but in 2018 it can be replaced with VSTs/android emulators/free romplers and etc.
Anton Anton a man without money and Studio has spoken
You are 100% correct!
Hardware is more fun though
Accurate Beats - I think it's all about the fun while making music :) if u like what ur doin the result will just sound way better after time... not depending if made on a daw or hardware...
Anton Anton I dont think your wrong. But i only got one question. Did your ever had a Chance to Work whit hardware? Its so mutch fun! And it is really additiv.
OH Hush Anton, ya goofball. No one asked what hack BS budget gear you're using and think is better than a reproduction unit of a timeless classic. And we certainly all know that there are 1000 different ways to get the same exact sounds that these units produce-Thats not the point. The point is that you can now buy the original interface, from Roland, in a smaller and more reliable package and play it in any setup imaginable. And they sound incredible.
Just listen to the mechanical sound of the boutique version vs the wide open sound of the original. It somehow has much more breath. th-cam.com/video/TNGw1Wicti4/w-d-xo.html
These are over priced if you ask me, there are units that do exactly the same things, often with more flexibility and options that are much less money. You pay for the badge and the look.
nostalgia sells...
Jay Kay But you have to say, the tr08 looks really good. ;)
What machines with more flexibility cost much less money? The TR-09 goes for $250-270 here (new in store). Can't find any other drum machines in that category, except Volca Sample & Beat and they're really not in the same category.
Over priced? I got my 09 for 200€ new, and I want to know which other physical unit you can get that does the same thing for that price?! Please let me know, as I want to get that as well!
JJS 200$?! Thats a steal! In Germany the tr08 costs 325€(370$). For that Price you can get "better" options in my opinion. The new drumbrute for example. The tr09 is cheaper, but it interested me not that mutch. If the price of the tr08 drops, maybe i will pick one up.
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