*HOT* MILSPEC 9mm FMJ: Winchester M1152
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- Comprehensive but brief review of the 9mm MILSPEC M1152 FMJ from Winchester. This is the US Army's replacement ammo for NATO 124 gr FMJ, specifically for the MHS Sig M17 program. Advertised velocity is 1320 fps from a 4.7" barrel. Review includes chronograph readings from three barrel lengths, plus comparisons to 115 gr WWB and also 124 gr NATO. Penetration test shots from 10 feet.
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Would love to see how this round performs out of a 16" barrel.
In the meantime, thank you for yet another fine video 👍
This! Would love to see how these perform out of a PCC.
Check out Buffman range. He does and extensive reaserch with multiple long and short barrels.
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Hits up to 1,600 fps out of a 16” barrel
1467 FPS from a Ruger PC carbine, 16" barrel. This was in early 2022. 1467 was the 5 shot average; velocity range was 1457 to 1481....which is very consistent overall.
So much information in less than 5 minutes. Who is this guy? #ammonerd
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@@timpczman I am as well
The legend returns
again
Nah Paul Harrell has been the legend
Just glad to see him again. Legend
He never was gone.
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I'm glad you're back! To this day I still go back and watch your old stuff. It's still the best out there after all these years. Can't wait to see what you have next.
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That’s not how it works. Just because TH-cam puts on ad on a video doesn’t mean the content creator gets money. In fact, TH-cam has demonetized nearly every gun channel because TH-cam/Google/Alphabet is staunchly anti 2A. Yet TH-cam still plays ads on every video, while the author gets nothing in return. So TH-cam is essentially using them for free ad space and marketing while not paying a dime to the creators.
Better to block ads and support content creators directly, if they offer an alternative. I send Bitcoin to every TH-camr I follow who posts a donation address.
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This ammunition was created to satisfy a contract requirement and to improve cycling reliability with military issue M17 pistols. The M17's sold to the military have a significantly heavier recoil spring than is installed in civilian P320 pistols to increase service life without armorer intervention. P320 pistols have to function with a wide variety of ammunition, while M17's only have to run Mil-spec ammo. Feeding failures were observed with the M17 when used with the existing 115 grain NATO ball round.
As we are all probably aware, SIG Sauer also got a contract to supply our military with ammunition, but chose to partner with Olin (Winchester) for this since their own ammunition production capacity was too small. The military RFP had a requirement for "increased lethality relative to the existing platform without changing the chambering or increasing barrel length". This indicates that unsurprisingly, the military was unhappy with the effectiveness of the existing 115 grain FMJ, and this accounts for the increased velocity and perhaps the truncated cone (flat tip) projectile of the new round. So this change to new ammunition appears to be an attempt to fix a couple of problems that both the military and SIG would rather not talk about, the impotence of the existing 115 grain NATO round, and malfunctions in the M17 that would require at a minimum that new springs be installed in existing M17's already issued.
Love It.
With the price of lumber these days, that's one expensive target!
Conspicuous consumption.
Not if he got those boards off of the neighbor's deck......
I expected milspec type 9mm FMJs at +P or +P+ to do far better in the tests. Like hit 7-8 wood planks with little effort.
Thank you for your review sir! I added a clear gel test to my demo, and I think many will be surprised at how deep these go!
When will your review be available? I always look forward to them.
@@SW-ii5gg probably less than 1 month. Maybe 3 weeks if I have time.
@@BuffRANGE thanks.
You beat me to the punch :D I am working on my review as we speak. This is the HOTTEST 9mm 115gr I've chrono'd to date..
Yours was better though, for including the ultimate penetration gel test.
Where's the video?
@@CitrusJerz
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OMFG he's back?? I greatly appreciate all the reviews you do!
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Great review! I have many boxes of Nato, and won't be picking this ammo up.
Content, production and editing are outstanding. Loved the fast paced video
It’s awesome seeing your videos pop up in my sub feed again. Hope everything is going well!
You always make my day when you post a new video.. thank you for your hard work and the way you serve the shooting community... --From NOlensville, TN.... not far from you!
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Great video. Seems like a perfect training analogue for 9BPLE.
The one who started TH-cam ammo tests returns. Thanks for putting these up on the radar. Amazing that they'd put this on the civilian market without a +P+ designation.
I've been hoping someone would come around with some sort of test on these, so first of all, thank you, and it's good to see you again. I have a theory about the army's decision to go to a truncated nose bullet at higher velocity (which the Army seems reluctant to share with us as of yet), which is urban warfare. Truncated nose bullets appear to track straighter through bodies and may well hit "harder" and dump more energy in a shorter distance than the 124 grain NATO 9mm. Also I think they MIGHT be more effective through auto glass, which would probably not be a battlefield criterion, but in urban conflict would seem be relevant. I picked up half a few and they shoot true in my handguns (M&P 2.0 4.25" and HK VP9 4.09"). The increased muzzle blast is noticeable.
Glad your back dude.
Paired with the sig m17, a perfect round for sending through one's own leg 😯
WTF?
Best ammo test channel... ever! I hope you'll keep up the good work. I think we all respect your time and effort that goes into these vids. They are GREATLY appreciated!
TNoutdoors9 has been in the online video game for about 15+ years. 💻 I like the content. No jokes or nonsense. It's good to see how common handgun calibers really do.
Don’t have to worry about me getting bored and clicking off. Those other videos of shooting ballistic gel are all well and good. But I personally grew up shooting wooden planks just like this. So watching these types of videos holds a special place in my heart.
Thanks, good test. Thanks for posting, we missed you.
I’ve watched and rewatched your videos for years. What a legend. Your videos will live forever
Hey tnoutdoors9, just wanted to thank you for all the good work you have done educating Americans who are serious about defending themselves, families and their community. I'm retied LEO firearms instructor for the largest PD in the US. I was involved in many t/e projects and played a small role in adopting the Speer 124 +P Gold Dot. Anyway my point is that imo you are the Gold Standard in ballistic research available online. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Always good to see a new upload from tnoutdoor9.
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Welcome back! Interesting round for sure. Thanks for uploading again!
Great test! I’ll have to find some to shoot down at the creek. Thanks for taking the time.
Great shooting, and another superb review. You have convinced me in the past on my ammo selections, and now you are doing the same for my future needs, thank you brother.
It's awesome to have you back. My jaw dropped when I say your recent uploads. Thank you for everything you do!
I have been on a search for a hot flat nose 9mm. This is my favorite stockpile round. Mr tnoutdoors you are a freaking legend to our community.
Buffalo bore has a hardcast flat nose 147gr going 1100.
FWIW it has taken down charging grizz.
Underwood offers a Hi Tek coated hard cast Lead 147 grain round same specs as Buffalo Bores 147 grain Outdoorsman.
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No, thank you for the vid, good to see you back
The legend returns! Good to see another video! Hope things are going well for you!
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Very good upload and info. Clear, concise, and to the point. I think anyone can appreciate that. Thank you.
Forgot to say, excellent video! Gel, wood, whatever, you're shooting stuff and giving a LOT of information in a very short, well presented video.
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I’ve used the 124gr NATO to “break-in” some of my acquisitions, which started several years back, with 400 rounds through my P365 to see if it would survive hotter loads and not just outright break it (no primer drag, or trigger spring issues) . I’m going to pick some these rounds because the stats are really impressive, and I’d like to see how they preform through an 8” barrel. Thanks for sharing all of these results with us!!
How did the m1152s perform through your p365?
@@JB-qx8ew a tiny bit
snappier, but manageable with a good solid grip. I use 135gr +P Hornady Critical Duty for my carry ammo, so I'm used to bullets that are a bit juiced up.
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I enjoy the slow pace also but no doubt you will get more views like this. Your latest run since you have been back is graciously accepted.
I'm so glad you're back, please don't leave us again
1152 us the practice ammo. The combat equivalent is a segmented hollow point. That's the reason for the flat nose and matching the weight to the combat ammo
I'm so glad you are back making content. Keep it up legend!
Dang man your the rogue yt guy that just pops after months of no word..... I seen some things man bad things.... got my videos banned but I still fought back uploaded 4 videos they never seen it coming. Lol miss watching your videos wish you did more again. Stay safe and healthy.
I bought a like 200 rounds of this a little bit ago and it shot great no problems at all actually ran better than some cheap FMJ I had
I can’t say how happy I am to see your video upload. I hope you and your family are doing well!
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4:12 That Underwood ammo is some hot stuff! I tested their 357 Sig at about 1500 FPS out of a G32.
Thank you very much for this review. It's very informative. Please keep them coming!
And just like that, he’s back!
It was a pleasure meeting you today!
Yes Sir, the conversations in the ammo aisle at Cabela's were "spirited" to say the least.
Thank you again for your service and belief system.
Expensive target!
Thanks for coming back! I think I have viewed every video you have posted. Appreciate your work and the no nonsense approach! Great job.
The Return of the King 👑
No one better in the ballistic breakdown game.
Glad to see you. And do a video on a new type of ammo.
Yoo the king is back?
I found your channel about a month ago.. I know I'm late but, im very pleased. You are very good at this sir.. A blessing.. Thank you!!
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Awesome job as always 🙂☕👍
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He hath emerged!
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Glad to see you back when you can make it. Always enjoy your reviews very much
I bought a bunch right before the ammo crunch...its a Great round!
Man we missed you!
Great review, thank your for your efforts.
Given most Soldiers on the battlefield now wear some type of body armor-moving away from the 124 NATI makes no sense at all. UNLESS they plan to issue some type of “penetrator” ammo in 115gr-then velocity would be a must. I cannot confirm this is the situation BUT highly suspect it to be so. Great job with the video 👍
115 grain is faster than 124, what are you talking about?
@@jonahpatton8879 Speed kills armor not mass. 115gr tungsten penetrator at 1350fps will zip right through any civilian owned soft or AR500 body armor and likely the ceramics issued to China and Russia. He’s saying they built this training ammo to simulate that theoretically used hot AP ammo.
@@HughesEnterprises thanks for agreeing with me and totally missing my point as well as his.
He's saying that moving away from the 124 grain was a bad move because of body armor, I disagreed because 115 grain is a better choice against armored targets. Hence my "what are you talking about" comment.
@@jonahpatton8879 Maybe you should re-read his comment. Because it’s clear to me he’s inferring the 124 is possibly being replaced by a 115 in anticipation of a light fast penetrator. Then you reply that you’re confused because you didn’t read his comment. And now that you actually agree with the original comment and mine but don’t realize it yet.
The other thing is this is training ammo and it has nothing to do with the standard pressure heavy slow 147gr hollowpoint PDX-1 clone carry ammo the joint services is actually issuing for defense in service pistols. Which further leads to the assumption this is hot training ammo either for a penetrator or other bullet technology not currently released.
@@HughesEnterprises "given most soldiers on the battlefield now wear some type of body armor-moving AWAY from the 124 gr NATO makes no sense at all."
What part of that is confusing to you? Don't tell me I need to re-read it if you didn't even do it yourself to make sure you didn't get it wrong.
Wow I haven't seen him in years always enjoyed his videos glad your back
Biggest flex in 2021:
- has 9mm
- has wood
- shoots said wood with said 9mm
Great to see you back, you're always my go to when it comes to ammo reviews. Considering getting a 9mm myself so I'm making notes. I sold my .357SIG as ammo was just too expensive to practice with and I'm using a 9mm Makarov right now which isn't ideal!
Especially with the Russian ammo ban happening, I hope you stocked up or have the reloading components. I have a few brass cased brands and a couple of steel cased brands.
@@SW-ii5gg Yeah I have plenty, but it's not going to be my primary for long.
@@Zerbey yeah, not mine because I never could get a hollow point that I was satisfied with, be good to save as a collectors item along with the ammo. I have a Baikal and a couple of CZ 82 gunsmith specials that need a little work.
I got a KKM Barrel in .357sig for my M&P 4.25". If you own a .40S&W most guns can swap out barrels. Glock, SIG P320, M&P etc. I also got some Critical Duty .357sig but I rarely tote it around.
Glad you are doing well.
I hope Winchester releases the M1153 to the public! Great review!
The M1153 is a hollow point, do some research before you reply and I’d want it so I could do some testing with it myself.
Awesome video T, I love the wood brings back the good old days, Thanks
Had no idea that you were still around! Good to see you again...TH-cam stopped "recommending" your channel in my feed at some point.
I'm so happy you're still putting out video! Because of you I was able to save money and buy the best ammo for my everyday carry.. thank you
Good to see you again.
Fantastic video with great info as always!
Dang you tube. No notification. I don’t want to miss these rare videos. Great to see you are still out there putting out the occasional video. AS always, good stuff.
Another great video TN.....Sooooo glad to have you back!
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