11:48 - This isn't right. Many Arab nationalist leaders were Christians themselves, precisely because they saw secular pan-Arabism as their best protection from pan-Islamism.
@@Cecilia-ky3uw there was no concept of India vs Pakistan prior to the British but there was a Muslim vs Hindu before the British so faith sounds a lot more appealing than fake Nationalism. Same with Arab Israeli conflict, sense of Islamism sounds much better than arab nationalism
@@firstnamelastname4249 the arab israeli conflict is a general ethnic conflict while the pakistan india one is pirely religious related due to the collapse of jonnah'a republic
@@Cecilia-ky3uw that is not how both the Arab Nationalists and Islamist saw it or at least what they told people back then. Both the Nationalists and Islamists claimed this is a A fight against Judaism rathar than ethinc jews, to them those were Poles Germans Russians Spaniards Italians Anglos and others who converted to Judaism who came to take Palestine because their religion Told them to do so to Nationalists they were fighting colonialism to Islamists it was a holy war against the invading infidel. Only when the Internet started to became available people Got the bigger picture and even so Arabs still won't give up on it at least for the time being.
70-75% accurate. That’s an achievement considering researching any subject related to Lebanon. Lebanese people lineage goes beyond Christianity and Islam eras. Phoenician lineage was totally dismissed, although it has huge influence on the division between Lebanese Christians who consider themselves as a direct descendants from the Phoenicians and take a pride of the fact that they gave the world the alphabet I’m typing now. While on the other hand the Lebanese Muslims see themselves as Arabs. That division helped adding fuel to the fire prior, during and even after the civil war. Nonetheless very good and unbiased work you’ve done. 👏👏👏
dude! this guy is a jew! stroking the israeli propaganda! in all his sources he hasnt quoted a single lebanese or an arab who live in that region. This guy is trying to stoke another sectarian war in lebonan. Be careful of what he claims. Mostly is false info.
The Maronites were the only reason Lebanon ever became a prosperous state, that's why the superpowers back then wanted them to be in power, they knew very well how Lebanon will look under Islamic rule, unfortunately, it was not meant to last because the Muslims passed them demographically also Lebanon's productive population were allowed to migrate to the west practically leaving the country to the Islamic militias.
@@rimshot6444 west perhaps had been better off, had it let the people there decide what they want to be or how they chose to live and prosper. I do agree that since colonial era of the past 300+ years, Both Asia as a whole and Africa are struggling to recover from the effects of their colonial past......But that can change over time. Just let them live and experience life for themselves hence how they will learn and prosper.
@@Blackbirdz2000 When do you start counting colonialism? the Persian empire? the Greeks? the Romans? the Arabs? the Ottomans? or the French, British, American, and Chinese... the sad truth is that the state of Africans and Arabs is a direct consequence of their social structure and culture, slavery, for example, was and unfortunately still is widely practiced in Arab and African countries to this very day, the Europeans were the ones that exploited slavery 200 years ago but the slaves were captured and sold mainly by Arab and African traders, that is a major one of the many reasons why social and human rights could not develop in those societies leaving them in a perpetual state of war, corruption and backwardness, sad but it is what it is...
@@rimshot6444 nonsense......study colonialism first, u have no idea what yr talking about. Colonialism happened by Europeans for capturing markets and looting and putting their European concepts of systems on them without their will. That is why, the whole World agrees on who were the imperialists and colonists, including Europeans themselves.......Colonism was the worst thing happened to the humankind, far worst then holocaust or world wars......It is something still impacts the world, infect the entire world! Study it in detail then only u will know......thats the genesis of the dislike of the world towards Europe or white people to this day.
@@السعوديه-ق4حu know nothing the colonist sided with the northern Muslim Fulani tribe and used them to dominate the other tribes in the southern region. During the biafrian war the majority Christian side tried to brake off British funded the Muslims as they where less educated and more prone to corruption hence why today nigeria is in the state that it’s in. Islam was not present in southern Nigeria like that colonist did not exterminate Muslims your lying they literally sided with them to subject the rest of the population. No one was forced converted in Nigeria conversion came naturally since people where allowed to be schooled if you converted because they would teach you English to read the bible which would allow you to go to a British school.
I remember seeing before/after pictures of Lebanon in school. It's amazing the dramatic difference pre and post war. It made me realize life as we know it could change quickly and completely beyond our control. It makes me thankful for what I have today.
It's crazy looking at old picuted of some Muslim cities from the 60s and 70s. Cities like Tehran and Kabul looked similar to European cities of the same time, now women get beaten to death for not wearing hijabs. Conversely major Saudi Arabian cities looked like shanties compared to today.
@@arthas640 Like the Western and Russian intelligence had nothing to do with destroying those countries and slowing down their progress. CIA funded fundamental Islamist groups and Pan-Arabism.
13:04 "Being a good Arab meant not being a Christian." This statement is misleading at best and completely incorrect at worst. While many Lebanese Maronite Catholics have been (not without cause) extremely troubled by and fearful of Arab nationalism/Pan Arabism, it is important to point out that some of the fathers of Pan Arabism and its most prominent early proponents were Orthodox Christians like Jurji Zaydan, Michel Aflaq, and George Antonius. While there has been Islamist bias in elements of the Arab Nationalist movement, let's not take anything away from the important Christians who helped define and promote Pan Arabism and Arab nationalism. These intellectuals argued both famously and well that being a good Arab was not mutually exclusive from being a Christian.
@@SirEdmundBlack Props to a Saudi prince for explaining this. Although he said he was pretty radical in thinking for his family, also was standing in front of a armed American (me), so could of probably just of been nervous-- But I doubt it, mostly because he also immediately went on to lambasting me for propping my feet up in his presence, so I learned two things that day.
@@AliJawsXVII doesn't matter the origin. Pan Arabism fundamentally opposes the existence of Lebanon a country made for Maronite Christians who have historically been oppressed by the ottomans.
Yeah, I like the Casual Historian but in some parts of this video he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The opposition to Arab nationalism did not apply to all Arab-speaking Christians. In this context, the Maronites opposed it because it would lose them a privileged position they enjoyed under the National Pact, but Arab Christians have played an important role in Arab nationalism. In fact, some of the “PLO terrorists” he is talking about were themselves Christians.
Christians had exact equal rights in all the Arab countries that had a Christian population at the time the Ottoman empire dissolved. Lebanon certainly wasn't the only one as you say around 12:00. Also, the good Arab v. good Christian argument is just... nonsense. Some of the most prominent Arab nationalists (e.g. founders of Baath party) were in fact Christian. They looked towards Arabism precisely as a counter alternative to Islamic nationalism. It's the reason Arab governments and the Muslim Brotherhood still have their sour relationship today. Only later did a movement towards dissociation with Arabism pick up steam, and found a slightly stronger prominence with Christian populations. I had high hopes for this video, but it's really missing the mark on so many points; in addition to being blatantly biased. Golda Meir is a lying hack, who herself promoted a terrorist organization. There's very little difference between what the Irgun and Hagana did in the 1940s, and what ISIL did in the 2010s.1956 had nothing to do with "terrorism" and everything to do with opportunistic expansion on the backs of Britain and France. When they liked the taste of it, they did it again in 1967
Thank you for stating some facts. The narrator is simply purely biased. Nassir destroyed muslim brotherhood and he is saying you can only be muslim and arab nationalists. So many misleadings here
In September 1970 Jordan expelled the PLO and they went to Lebanon where they resumed guerilla operations along the southern lebanese border . The weak Lebanese army engaged the PLO in battles around Beirut and the south but was hesitant in confronting them decisively since the PLO had the Lebanese moslems backing them in parliament . Then the fatal blow came when an agreement was reached in Cairo allowing them to resume raids into Israel . Two years later the civil war officially began .
This comment proves you surely don't read or understand what happened. You surely know abt the founding of the state? The country was perfect to begin with? The Sidon fisherman strike, abject poverty in Muslim areas (as money was channeled to mt. Lebanon by Maronite elite), Tripoli going from a hub to a struggling city after the creation of Lebanon by then French, increasing crime in Beirut before the war. Nobody refutes the Palestinians were a factor, but the main/only factor?! Even today, what do they they have to do w the banking crisis, port explosion, etc.?! The country was going to fail bc it was setup , as Camille chamoun put it, for the slave-merchant relationship. Please read about all this. You won't like what you read, but you'll see which side was in the wrong.
@@1984isnotamanualWherever the Palis go, that sort of thing happens. Not only Israel suffers them, but Kuwait, Jordan and Lebanon all suffered because of them
There was a cease in communion with Rome for a few hundred years post-Arab invasion but this was for logistical reasons (i.e. being trapped in the mountains surrounded by hostile Islamic authorities) rather than any sort of heretical practices on their part
⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️ the Maronites that took refuge in mount Lebanon were the Monks of Saint Maroun .. the Maronite population itself is from the conversion of the local phoenician population to christianity by the monks of saint Maroun .. ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️
@@phoeniciangod3629 it's a very important fact for the plight of the Maronites .. the west needs to understand the historic , cultural , ethnic and racial importance of the Levantine Christians and understand that they are what is left of the original civilisations that predate the arabian-islamic invasion of the 7th century
@@banto1 there are many Lebanons inside Lebanon, it's a the radical factions that decided to attack Israel, everyone forgets the IDF was welcomed with flowers in the south of lebanon, because ppl in the hated the Palestinians, unfortunately Israel sided with the extreme maronite minority against the shia majority who ironically were the first collaborators with the state of Israel, that's what I call a strategic mistake by Israel that led to the birth of the extreme groups like HA
@@aymansalameh3701 Absolutely true that Lebanon is a very complicated place. And yes, IDF troops were showered with candy and flowers by the locals (both Shia and Christians), when they drove Arafat's army north from the south of Lebanon. However, the State of Lebanon officially declared war on Israel in 1948 (even though it didn't actually do much fighting) and had never rescinded that declaration of war to this day. At the time (summer of '82) the Shia weren't all that organized, so the IDF allied with the only force (the Maronites) that wanted to help rid Lebanon of the PLO. Israel retreated to the security zone in Southern Lebanon to (1) insure that PLO forces didn't come back, and (2) to protect the minority Christian villagers (who had allied themselves to Israel) from other local militants. This occupation (along with a lot of support from the Ayatoolah) created what we now know as HA (Hezbollah). I'm pretty sure that HA's masters in Tehran wouldn't have been too happy if Israel had wanted to collaborate with the Shia's instead of the Christians, so it wasn't so much a "mistake" on the Israeli's part, but rather, the only option available (other than to abandon the country altogether, which in hindsight would have been the better option).
@@banto1 Actually the Lebanese govt were not interested eliminating Israel, they fought a few Battles in on the Israeli-Lebanese Border and actually achieved a small victory and then pulled away from it. Perhaps some sunnis joined groups like the Army of Holy War which was its own organization but the Lebanese govt was not as you say. Also Jordan achieved the majority of their aims which was West Bank and Old Jerusalem.
unfortunatley it's not very objective and not very accurate. I have a 15 video almost 15 hours documentary that details everything in an objective way at least. not even calling Isreal an enemy for Lebanon. if you are interested, it's in arabic but translated to English. th-cam.com/play/PLBt7U9x3F7VMlA_OhEu2Ajmrkdr0LFxpT.html
I'm 4 minutes in and you've already made several casual mistakes, you "casual historian." Aside from your clear pro-Israel undertones, you said that Maronites blamed the Palestinians/PLO for "shifting demographics." That is not true. The PLO was a menace in Lebanon but they had no direct impact on demographics as Palestinians are not eligible for citizenship and thus cannot impact Lebanese demographics directly. There was an existential threat posed by the PLO, primarily in the Shi'a Muslim-majority South, after Israel extended its subjugation of the Palestinian people and the PLO sought to create a "state within a state" inside Lebanon. You also said the Druze can be thought of as a sect within Shi'a Islam. This is absolutely not true. They emerged out of Ismaili Shi'a Islam (a minority of Shi'a today are Ismaili) but the Druze developed an entirely separate religion. Today, the Druze bear zero resemblance to Shi'a Muslims and they are not politically aligned with the Shi'a, either. In fact, most Druze do not even consider themselves Muslims. It's kind of like saying the Ahmaddiyah can be thought of as a sect within Sunni Islam because they emerged from that community. Absolutely not true. I also find it funny how you described the United States as the parent in the front of the car screaming, "Why can't you all just get along?" It seems like you're subscribing to the Western propaganda that "these people in the Middle East have been fighting for thousands of years, and you'll never understand what they're fighting about." When, in fact, it's the United States that has aided and abetted Israeli aggression and expansion and Palestinian displacement, not to mention the countless other horrors in the region. If you recall, one of the 9/11 hijackers became radicalized after he saw buildings being destroyed in Lebanon aided by the United States.
9/11 happened because the USA defended Saudi Arabia from Iraq and then liberated Kuwait. The nakba happened both ways and only happened because Arabs invaded Israel they were the aggressors. It's like blaming Croatia for operation storm resulting in a Serb exodus.
@Tracchofyre the tragedy is that Serbs made it impossible for coexistence. Croatia is stable and has moved on from the war. Bosnia who didn't do their pland invasion of srpska is still unstable and will have a war in our life time.
5:40 what’s still interesting is how much France and the Christian Lebanese are still very intertwined up to this day There is a huge Lebanese diaspora in France, many working in high positions as doctors, lawyers and so on. Most of the Christian elites speak French And France still keeps a very close eye to Lebanon . A recent example is Macron going to Lebanon after the Beirut port explosion
"Most of the Christian elites speak French" ... ? All Catholic schools teach french as the 2nd language, whereas all Evangelical/protestant schools teach English as the 2nd language. Elitism and Maronitism got nothing to do with this. Catholic schools are generally located in Christian neighborhoods, whereas Evangelical/Protestant schools are generally located in mixed neighborhoods
The narration is too bent towards one side of the conflict. Furthermore, there are many mistakes and historical inaccuracies. For example, when talking about Shia you literally used the flag of "Amal Movement", a political party within Lebanon that is majority Shia but does not necessarily represent the sect (Amal didn't even exist prior to 1972). Druze are not Shia muslims, they are actually a sect that came out of Ismaili Islam, and that's according to their own history and confirmed by most historians and theologians, contrary to Western sources that have never met a druze. When talking about the history of the Maronites, you mentioned that they were persecuted by the Sunnis, which is part of the Lebanese told-story, a story that has been debunked by most renowned historians of the region. The logic used in regard to Pan Arabism is factually incorrect. It's worth noting that Pan Arabism is an idea concocted by Arab christians from Egypt and Lebanon, so the idea that "you can't be a good Arab and a good christian" is highly inaccurate and incorrect. Two of the three parties who preached Pan Arabism in Lebanon during the 60s were headed by Christians. Moreover, the main rivals of Arab nationalism in the region have always been islamic parties. When talking about Israel and the conflict in the region, the bias is clear. Maybe don't call yourself a historian if you're going to butcher the history of an entire country.
Could you explain the bias in this video? If there is one its important to me to know about. Right now you're just throwing around accusations without explanation. Genuinely interested in knowing the truth.
@@Libikuroi his comment was explaining it dude. Read it . Why does he need to repeat a text when you can just reread if you didn't get it the first time .
Lol one of the products of the kind of popular narrative was a map I saw with a partition of Lebanon with a Sunni-shia state and a maronite-druze state as if it wasn't druze massacres of Maronites that led to the autonomous Lebanon mutasarrifate being created in the ottoman empire.
Historian Charles Hayek did a very good job debunking the myth of Christians being persecuted by Muslims, people should go watch his stuff. It was a myth propagated and exaggerated by the French to create a reason to invade Lebanon and separate it from Syria and isolate it from the region and impose their influence.
@@hmmm3210 He explained the mistakes in the video, which I am great full for, facts matter. But mistakes are not examples of how this video is biased. Making mistakes and intentionally skewing the facts are to different thinks. The guy in the video might not be as informed on the subject matters as Arab historians and he might not even have access to the some perspectives has they do. But he holds no favoritism either way and tries to be subject in his narrative.
Despite well meaning intentions there are lots of unnuanced generalisations in this video. And cant see how any historian would take Golda Meirs autobiography as an objective source on the Palestinian resistance, let alone giving it this much weight.
12:42 Article 24 of Kuwait‘s constitution , All people are equal under the law, and they shall not be treated differently on the basis of gender, color, language, race, or religion Stop spreading lies !
@@bennruda11 Egypt and Jordan started the war in 1948. Egypt occupied gaza and Jordan occupied west bank, right after Israel announced independence!!! Israel never started any war!!!
@@iloveisrael929 announced their independence with just a small portion of sectarian violence and kicking ppl of their lands, and before you bring some bs about Israel ppl just wanted to live freely they could have stayed in Poland or Russia or wherever they came from
27:00 Musa Sadr lost his citizenship in mid 1970s. It was not related to Khomeini and 1963 protests. Sadr actually travelled to Iran and met the shah himself in early 1970s. The speculation is that his refusal to advance the shah’s policy in Lebanon cost him his citizenship - a rare move justified by the fact that Sadr family are originally from Iraq. Sadr relations with Khomeini is controversial, but most Iranians around him joined the 1979 revolution.
The Druze are not seen as part of the Shi'ite sect in Lebanon. The Druze are considered a separate sect, and to most of the Druze in Lebanon, they consider themselves as independent from Islam too.
@@nadimlawandos6063 The Phoenicians are the Canaanites, the word Phoenician is an Ancient Greek word that described the Canaanites it means the color purple referring to the purple inks that they traded to the Greeks . The Canaanite/ Phoenician Civilization took place in Much of Modern day Palestine, Lebanon Syria and Jordan reaching North Africa and Malta and Cyprus and even Southern Italy , in fact the oldest Canaanite City and the oldest city in the world is Jericho in Palestine and the Phoenician Alphabet which is the first Alphabetical system in the world was founded in the town of Ugarit in Syria. So in other words you are not unique Lebanese boy .
As a Lebanese watching this, im grateful that my generation (2001+) are not as brainwashed as the older generation about who is stronger in this lovely country who should be dominant and living together peacefully having friends from all religions and groups
It's too diverse for there to ever be harmonisation. It's never going to happen. Countries, governments and cultures works best whenever they are homogeneous
@@ela7893 I was re-reading a quick except on the Protestant Hugeonots who fled Catholic France to the area near future Jacksonville. They were slaughtered by the Spanish in St Augustine, the ultra violent Pedro with a long name. (Avila?) Later, Captain Blake (iirc) from England sailed up to St Augustine and shelled the Spanish. I believe the English kicked out the Spanish and sent them to Cuba, then invited them back to Florida during the American Revolution. My facts might by a little iffy but it was a mess that got ironed out. Not so easy to do when people are cultivating a Grievance and Blame narrative. I can see the points made by Jared Taylor.
@@ela7893you must have never heard of my country America which is more diverse than Lebanon and gets along just fine. I can’t say I have all the answer to why America works but one reason is we have a constitution that keeps religion separate from the state and prevents the state from getting involved in religions (America would have been destroyed long ago if it didn’t have that). I have some other reason why America works but I won’t get into them unless you challenge me.
@@1984isnotamanual thanks champ. How big is the US compared to lebanon? Can't compare the two. Have you been living in a rock? Have you not noticed that masdive culture wars taking place in North America?
@@1984isnotamanual You still get along well because you are still the majority. Wait, until you become the minority in your own country then decide if you'll get along fine.
The video has a significant and apparent bias in its reference selection. It draws an inaccurate and skewed version of reality and should be a treated as a grossly simplified primer on the topic and not as a well researched summary. I would use it as a textbook example of political "orientalism"
Would you mind filling in the blanks? “The parts of the video that I think are wrong are [blank].” “The reason those parts are wrong is because [blank].” “I think a better position to have is [blank].“
"The Druze are a sect of Shia Islam." Absolutely incorrect. Please, do your research or at least be honest and say you're going to lie through the whole video.
Druz originated from the Ismaili Shia , they got themselves persecuted by the sunnis and rejected by both Sunni and Shia sects of islam .. the christians of lebanon took them in , yet the Druz turned out to be ungratefull bullies , the genocide in the 1800s against the christians by the druz is appalling ,entire christian towns and villages along with their inhabitants wiped out ..it is a well known fact that the Druz are terrified of the sunnis and shia , they will drop on their knees and kiss their feet begging for mercy
@@_hunter_hunter1048 The Druze aren't Muslim. At least the Christians and Jews received the scriptures, yet they warped them. The Druze? They're apostates and ethnic supremacists. May Allah guide them, and may Allah curse their founder who claimed their "caliph" was God.
Yeah, I was baffled when he said that, since I've heard from Druze I had the pleasure of talking with themselves that they have nothing to do with Islam, rather their ANOTHER different Abrahamic religion
I disagree with you on your statement considering Christian Arabs and Pan-Arabism, I am Christian Arab(but secular) myself, and I believe in Pan-Arabism to a certain degree. In fact one factions that believed in Pan-Arabism was the PFLP which was founded by one of the writers that you mentioned in the video Wadi Haddad, a Palestinian Christian who was secular and the co founder George Habash also a secular Palestinian Christian.
Exactly even the founder of Baathism a major pan arab movement was a Christian. Even when it comes similar groups like SSNP or Pan Syrianism it was founded by a Christian and with both still having support from some Christian communities.
G’day from Australia. There are some inaccuracies in your video, Muslims don’t consider the Druze to be Muslim and the Druze themselves know they are not Muslim as well. Prior to the 1860 Civil war between the Druze and Maronites there was a smaller civil war between them in 1848 where the Druze lost 5,000 men dead and their leader Said Jumblatt was strangled by Maronite assassins in Syria. The 1860 civil war saw the Druze armed and trained by the British win against the Maronites who were armed and trained by the French after the Maronites attacked the mainly Druze village of Aindarra with 4,000 men against 600 Druze and upon the Maronites losing this battle the whole country descended into anarchy and 60,000 Maronite men were killed. There was honour back then, no rape, no ethnic cleansing or killing of unarmed civilians. A Druze or Maronite family living in an opposing village would be protected by their opposing side. Men of fighting age were given the opportunity to leave and know that no harm would come to their loved ones. My Great Grandfather practiced the right of sanctuary given to an enemy when he was asked to give shelter by a man who was considered an enemy and he defended him against his relatives. Years later my Uncle was warned during the start of the civil war to leave his job in Beirut by a friend who was on the opposing side and go home as he had overheard other workers on their plans to kill him after work. Dirty war fought by dirty politicians and dirty warlords that still oppress their own people.
I appreciate the amount of research you have done ,but the fact that Christians were natural opponents of Arab nationalism I gotta say it can't be more wrong.The founder of the Baath party was Micheal aflaq a a Christian, the head of the Arab nationalists movement were george habash and wadi Haddad.During the lebanese war most of the leaders in the opposing side of the so Christian camp were actually Christians as well like the Syrian nationalists party Syria as greater syria,not mentioning as well the fact that most of the professors and philosopers of the 1950s and 60s who promoted Arab nationalism were Christians as well like Konstantin zurayk.but for a non lebanese you are doing a great job so far , I ll be watching the whole series.
@@markfreenick”the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” Thats the definition. Every single faction or country mentioned in this video would be classified as terrorist. Including “terrorist” in a supposedly educational video is a clear indicator of bias. I prefer to watch an actual educational video that tells me what happened, backed up by sources, without labelling or feeding my brain with what they think of each faction.
Hi Casual Historian, Although I generally liked your video on this subject and I did get to learn new information about the Lebanese Civil War's origins, I do have to point out a mistake you made. 11:35 - 11:48 You stated that Arab nationalist were secularists only in name and not in practice. However, that is not true. Yes, Arab nationalism and Pan-Arabism does emphasise on Islam's role in the creation of the Arab identity. However, this does not negate its secular natute. Had this been the case, why was one of the three main founders of Baathism (a variant of Pan-Arabism), Michel Aflaq, not an adherent of Islam (a Christian to be specific). A second point is why would the non-Muslims or Muslims who were considered heretics by most other Muslims, rise up the ranks in both Baathist Syria and Iraq. Examples include Salah Jadid and Hafez al-Assad in Syria and Tariq Aziz in Iraq. Overall, it was still a good video and I enjoyed it. Thank you
He should use the term "sectarianism" which is more accurate to describe pan-arabism than the therm "secularism" or "islamism" Usually pan arab leaders gave privileges and power to the people of their own sect. For example Saddam's Iraq or Assad's Syria
@@ולרו-ט3ב Although I cannot disagree about Iraq's Saddam and Syria's al-Assad dynasty favouring their own sectarian groups, I would not say that was a theme throughout the ideology of Pan-Arabism. Egyot's Nasser, Libya's al-Qadhafi and Algeria's Boumediene were not supporters of sectarianism (as far as I remember about al-Qadhafi, he was not a sectarian leader). Even in Baathist Syria before Assad, sectarianism was not entrenched in the Baathist movement. Yes, Arab nationalists did not generally treat their non-Arab citizens fairly, but that was less about religion and more about being Arab.
@@ThusItHappened I agree with what you said about Egypt's Nasser and Algeria's Boudemiene, but the case of Gaddafi was different. Gaddafi wasn't secularist, if I'm not wrong he was even a salafist. During his rule he supported islamic groups and applied the sharia. Then in the 2000s he stopped to support islamic groups and erased his nuclear program with the hope for better relations with the west because his soviet ally did collapse
@@ולרו-ט3ב al-Qadhafi's version of Arab socialism was very unique in the sense that it was the most economically closest to communism while claiming to be tied to Islamic roots. al-Qadhafi was not a Salafist and I really doubt his Islamist credentials, as I remember he once criticised Islamic law for being insufficient when it comes to moder social and economic issues (not sure if this is true but I remember reading this). He also was hated by most Islamists and by fundementalists for being opposed to their ideas. As for his imposition of Sharia law, as much as I know, it was only in name or at the least, very weak in its implementation. About supporting Islamist groups all over the world, I would argue that was less about his personal support for Islamism and more about power projection or maybe combating his enemies such as Israel and the United States. And, it was not exclusively Islamist groups, as he did support other groups that had no connection to Islamist ideals. Now, Why would al-Qadhafi pretend to be an Islamist if he really wasn't? The answer in my view, would be to maintain the support of the Libyan people, as they are considered to quite religious and conservative, and if he had been too secular, they could have overthrown him much earlier.
@CasualHistorian This is an extrmely inaccurate video in a lot of the details. A LOT. Please do not massacre our country's history because you want to post videos and get views on your channel. And we are not Arabs.
there are a various errors such as dates of events and pronounciation of lebanese names . Example israel was formed in 48 not 58 . I left for Switzerland when the army clashed with the PLO in april 73 around Beirut . The begining of the end . Looking forward to the next installment .
You can excuse pronunciation errors when they involve sounds that do not exist in English, but I could not for the life of me understand why he pronounced the vowels in "Khoury" or "Chamoun" so weirdly ("kawry", really?) when perfectly acceptable English approximations exist (it's just /uː/ dude, which you can approximate with the "u" in "rule"). And for goodness' sake, someone tell him that "ch" is always pronounced /ʃ/ (ie, the english "sh"). At least he didn't butcher "Nasser" I guess
dude! this guy is a jew! stroking the israeli propaganda! in all his sources he hasnt quoted a single lebanese or an arab who live in that region. This guy is trying to stoke another sectarian war in lebonan. Be careful of what he claims. Mostly is false info.
@Daniel Tanios the American trying hard not to butcher the name, ends up butchering the name. 😂😂 but it's most objective than any lebanese faction could muster
Thank you very much for the great video. Happy to see my country represented on your channel The logos are pretty inaccurate. The logo used to signify muslim shiias actually belongs to the amal movement, a large shiia faction, but not the only one (at least today). Furthermore, and actually the more significant error is that the video shows Camille Chamoun beside a logo of the PSP. Chamoun was never part of the PSP. Actually, the PSP was his enemy in the 1958 uprising and an opponent throughout his political journey. You actually corrected this mistake in the flow of the videos, but it is still irritating. Greatly made video however!
“Triggered the flight of Palestinians” What an absurd euphemism. Ethnically cleansed would be more accurate. You don’t shy from that term when the perpetrators are Muslim. But like so many Americans you can bring yourself to criticise Israel.
what about the tens of thousands of palestinians that fled to Lebanon from Jordan following the black September massacres? what about the 850000 Jews that were expelled from Arab states to the state of Israel? maybe you feel the author should apologize to you for not finding Israel the main culprit...
Hundreds of thousand arab jews were expelled from virtually all islamic countries so we should tagged this as "ethnic cleansing" also? You're just lying and being overdramatic. You felt like a tiny country BULLIES 50+ islamic countries with 1.3 B population?? hahaha Oh please.
The 19th century altercation that led to Maronite Druze civil war actually started by Maronite’s rebelling against their Maronite overlords, then the maronites in another area rebelled against their Druze overlords so there was nothing sectarian about how it began
I'm and arab the events are maybe right the explanation is 100% false we don't see Christians as a bad arab at all alot of our great arab poets are Christian and sang song for arab nationalism and raiding Israeli town those towns were taken from arab by force they had no right to do it they made numerous massacres to us in numerous villages to children and women even they said they actually did it's our land and it will always be The fact you say about Christian second hand citizen in Egypt my country Christian has no discrimination from centuries the wealthiest family in Egypt are Christian the head of constitutional court are Christian we go to schools together we go to each other weddings we don't really care and the(jezzia) the tax of non muslims stops hundreds of yours ago and for centuries jews and Christian people held a very high places in government in ottoman ,mamluk ,fatmid and abbasid caliphate better than Europe at that time that killed them and hunted them for nonsense like cause of spreading the plague you clearly know nothing about the arabian area so shut tf up
@@harrymate7892 when was that exactly jews in muslim spain hold very high places in government and there was alot of wealthy merchants After the the Christian took spain back thay were hunted both muslim and jews and tortured and forced to convert to Christianity in what point in history did a muslim empire forced anyone to enter islam After that the ottoman took them as refugees both muslim and jews a like and lived for hundreds of years under muslim rule In Morocco jews lived there and was a huge community there In Egypt in late 1800and first half of 1900 the wealthiest families in Egypt were jews In Abbasid caliphate alot jews were appointed ministers And in the same time in Europe the jews were hunted killed cause alot of the church said they plaque is a punishment from god cause they lived between them were hunted door to door in russia when the tsar was assassinated the russian in the late 1800 the jews were blamed and hunted when did this ever happened in arab countries Btw the( jizzia ) the tax that the non muslim pays is a tax if protection as the the non muslim were not allowed in the army but the muslim didn't pay it because they were allowed and called upon to the army when there were A threat
When was that exactly? Well since the arab invasion of the levant. And please don't tell me that you like the jews, you call them sons of pigs, even in your holy book. Also did you hear about khaybar?
@@harrymate7892 since Israel existed they started prosecuting natives. Before that jews and muslims didn’t casually fight over religion. Only couple of minor conflicts unlike today
12:46 No. This is extreme and simplistic generalization. Construction of churches and synagogues was not completely forbidden. For the most part the policy was that churches would not be higher than mosques But obviously construction of churches wasn't completely forbidden for 12th centuries. That would be impossible and never actually enforceable. How would such significant Christian minorities would survive under that assumption for so long in the middle east? Obviously just by appreciating how large christian communities still existed up to the 20th century demonstrates how improbable is that to suggest that. This is nonsensical ahistorical extreme simplification.
Thank you for this enlightening video. My grandfather worked for the Iraqi Oil Company and so my father grew up in the Middle East, mostly Haifa and Beirut. Whenever 'troubles' in that area were on the news I could see how it upset him. Often all I could get out of him was something along the lines of "The Lebanon was one of the most beautiful and civilised places on Earth for thousands of years, now they have destroyed it." On the rare occasion I could get any more out of him he'd complain "Everyone I met was civilised, hospitable, and worked to get on with their neighbours whoever they were because they knew they all hated each other. Local friends warned me selfish madmen were going to ruin everything for power." Englishman he might have been but I could tell it broke his heart. I got impression much of the trouble was caused by the usual selfish monsters who always pop up to advantage of a power vacuum in the name of one thing or another - setting aside one's blinkered modern perspective of such things I get the feeling my father's local friends would have taken the stability of a bit more colonial rule over what they correctly predicted was coming. Of course it really doesn't matter now. If your father was killed by your neighbour's father you aren't going to like your neighbour much regardless of the reasons, or indeed stop hating him long enough to find out if he's a nice chap or not.
Amazing. As a lebanese, I feel the same as your grandfather. But I also feel bitter and useless to change things around. How to turn things around to a secular humane democracy when everyone is acting like a pirate.
What we are taking about here is the transition from the old empires to secular democracy. It's clear that democracy, absent the coercive hand of a greater power, is an extremely difficult thing to create & maintain. No democracy ever just segued into being; all involved conflict with a monarchy or prior autocratic ruler; most had civil wars, reversions, & still have major challenges living up to their rhetoric & aspirations; the current American situation shows how political & personal selfishness, greed, fear & power can destroy trust & threaten democracy. The USSR breakup, & Iraq situations show that democracy, even with the good will of key stake holders, is very very hard; trust is the key, since it is impossible to legislate or police everything. One must trust the police, the law, the politicians, & other ppl to act fairly, reasonably, correctly - to subsume their interests to higher ideals. The modern nation state has been the most successful way to organise ppl in human history by all measures, bc it creates the structure that allows ppl to strive for something bigger than themselves; failed states revert to tribalism. Democracies fail when enough ppl decide the system is not fair, that they'd benefit more from breaking the system than supporting it. And modern political hucksters have decided to use chaos, distrust ^ fear as political tools; this is not new - the "It's all going to shkit, only I can fix it" routine is very old indeed. There is no nation that can be built upon, or survive the ethnic & religious competition that we see in Israel, Lebanon, & Yugoslavia. This is why the total surrender of Germany & Japan was so important to their modern stability & prosperity. Surrender to the Western Democratic Model, with local variation, has been the best choice in history. It's inarguable! And India is toying with its democracy, persecuting non Hindu ppl, seemingly unaware, like Turkey previously, that fire burns!
Let the Lebanese civil war be a big lesson for Western European countries. When you let large groups of migrants settle in your country, you will find out that diversity is not a strength.
@King Saddam so Brothers kill, rape, rob and ethnically cleanse a country that isn’t theirs. In the village of Damour in Lebanon these Brothers killed every inhabitant including babies and abused the women and girls before they to were slaughtered. Arafat’s people killed more Lebanese civilians than Israel will in a lifetime. I don’t care about the Palestinian Israeli conflict, it’s not my problem if it means so much to you the Syrian Israeli border is available for you.
Everything in this video is either heavily exaggerated or false. For those who watched the video, do your own research and do not take this video seriously.
Indeed. Some connections were made that made no sense, the assumption that all muslims and druze were on the same page, and all the christians were on the same page.
@@bleikwajdi all Christians were on the same page as the majority of the Christians were the Maronites. I don’t know about the Druze, but most Moslems were on the same page as they didn’t want to be associated with the West but wanted panarabism or more Islamic connection than being ruked by France or the Maronites
A few corrections: - 'Christians' did not look to the West or ally with the West, specifically the Maronite Catholics of Lebanon did, along with some *local* Melkite and orthodox supporters. Coptic Christians in Egypt, Rum in Jordan, Palestine, and Syria, and Assyrians in Iraq, did not ever ally with foreign Western powers against their Muslim majority neighbors. Pan-Arabism did not exclude christians - The first Arab Nationalists and Pan-Arabists were Orthodox Christians and some Maronites from al-Shams (Historic Levant) who revived the dormant Arab culture in the Ottoman-dominated lands - Gamal Abdel Nasser knew next to nothing about most Arab Christians, only the Copts of Egypt who he assumed did not want a part in pan-arabism as they identified as non-Arab Copts. He later changed his mind after the miracle of Virgin Mary in Zeitoun which unified Muslims and Christians alike in Egypt - Quite a few prominent christian lebanese actually took the Palestinian/Leftist side in the war like author Kamal Salibi - More than 1/4 of all palestinians who initially fled to Lebanon were christians, like PFLP premier, George Habash - The Maronite family, the Gemayels actually allowed the PLO into lebanon by signing the Cairo Agreement - The PLO had been expelled from Jordan after an assassination attempt on the king, the Jordanian army proceeded to burn down all of their camps and run them from the desert into lebanon. The myth that only the lebanese Maronites attacked the PLO is wrong (despite my issues with the decisions they made) - PLO also got into major brawls with the shi'a lebanese in the south, who ended up despising the PLO
The history of the civil war cannot be condensed into a 30 minutes video , besides the repetition of "terrorists" whenever palestinians are mentioned , while calling it israel whenever it's mentioned , gives the idea that this video might be more a propaganda than informative, according to the Geneva conventions , an occupied people have the right to do anything in the defence of their country, so repeating the word terrorists when their country was occupied for less than 5 years as mentioned makes it seem like its legal to occupy for this period then the people are considered terrorists if they defend. Besides many aspects of the situation before the civil war were ignored, many important details hidden.
This video is clearly propaganda. No Lebanese, Christian or Muslim would accept his narrative. He boils down the elite rivalry into a centuries old religious conflict and described Lebanon as a secular Christian nation fighting Muslim minorities and Islamic pan-Arabism. It’s laughable.
@@saqeralthawara2342 wow, heroes that chose to give up their country only to gang up on the one that welcomed them like Jordan and Lebanon, only also fail again and live miserably while your innocent suffer from the bad decision making of your leaders. You're welcome to learn how to be a real resistance from the Lebanese Forces. But you won't, cz you don't have heroes, only traitors to their own people
@@karlwarda7628 We have are heroes in Palestine in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip . The Lebanese Forces are not resistance they are nothing but Maronite Separatists and mass murders , who think that they are unique and different from other people around them while they are in fact nothing but French wannabes . Lebanon is Syrian territory.
druze are NOT seen as a sub-sect shia muslims, they are seen as external to islam within lebanon. it depends on who you ask, some people will saw they're muslims, others will say they're not at all. druze are forbidden from marrying outside their faith and that includes muslims. druze are a sect of their own that is ethnically closer to the jewish and samaritains than the arabs. source: i'm half-druze (or not druze at all depending on who you ask)
The Druze/Maronite relationship explained at the beginning of the video is completely out of context and is wrong. Even at the time there was no “Lebanon” as it is known today
Wrong. Islam demands from its followers to convert the world into Islam. So, if Muslims will ask you to convert or die, what would you do? Pull down your pant and bend down? That is what happened in Lebanon and will happen in the area where you live too. I assure you. Wake up!
@@simulify8726 no, Muslims didn’t migrate they were just having a lot more children. The real reason is complicated, but it started with plo invading and occupying Lebanon, than some Maronite terroist millitias started committing massacres against Lebanese and Palestinian Muslims. This led to Muslim millitias rising up to fight them, then it turned into a massive hole of fighting before more powerful nations started trying to assert their dominance there like Israel, Iran and USA.
@@AryanAkane propaganda? I hate the plo a lot more than you. The fighting began when far right Maronites murdered a bus of Palestinians, so the plo engaged in combat. Have some respect when talking.
@@meee6584My guy what, you literally just contradicted yourself. The PLO literally invaded Lebanon, lebanese christian’s didnt kill anyone until after the syrians, palestinians and lebanese muslims (traitors) started murdering Lebanese people. Bachir gemayel (lebanese forces) literally said they just wanted a lebanon for lebanese people, no syrians and no palestinians and no foreign intervention. He never said anything about christian or muslim.
The continued reference to Palestinians as “terrorist” while quoting Israeli and American leaders feels disingenuous. It appears to be biased against Palestinians, no mention of Israeli atrocities is mentioned - simply referencing Palestinians continually as terrorists is an ahistorical and un-nuanced account. Like referring to the Continental Army as terrorists in the US revolution.
@@aiaivivi8286 to you. to others they’re freedoms fighters. this needs to be placed in context. to Palestinians, Israelis are terrorists. to indigenous people, colonists are terrorists. Iraqis think US soldiers are terrorists, do you? It’s nuanced and if this meant to be treated as a serious historical video I would expect a major faction to be given the respect it deserves, rather than be written off in a biased and reductive manner as terrorists.
@@ZachWhoSaneGK hmmm not only to me... You see. An organization that committed thousands of terror attacks DIRECTLY AIMING AT CIVILIANS, blew up busses, shops , restaurantes, kidnapped and blew up planes , started 2 civil wars (in Jordan and Lebanon) , started 2 intifadas, shot rockets on Israeli cities . For organization like that TERRORISTS suits very well .
@@ZachWhoSaneGK he didn't call the Palestinians terrorists. He called the PLO members terrorists. Which they are , whatever you are an Arab, Jew , Muslim , or whatever . It's a fact which you have to accept
5:34 Painting by Jean-Baptiste Huysmans representing the great Algerian leader the Emir Abd-el-Kader, protecting Christians in Damascus in 1860, during the massacres committed by the Druze.
What a biased depiction of the subject matter! It's not only the fact that this is totally an apologetic take on western imperialism (France occupied Lebanon to prevent genocide of the Maronite!), nor is it also the fact that the narrator declined to call Palestine by its historical name (named it Israel even though Israel wasn't established yet), but overall it is a right wing evangelical perspective going far beyond classical orientalism to reach a level of activism.
It was only called Palestine by Romans wanting to anger Jews. And there never in history has been an indendent palestinian state. Would be incorrect if he did call it Palestine
@@saul2491 the region was still called Palestine by everyone till recently for political bs. Cope lmao . Might as well call the region of Iraq the Akkadian empire forgetting that southern mesopotamia has had the regional name of Iraq for over a millennia.
@@SuperLancer2222 wasn't called that before the Romans. Romans only wanted ti anger Jews because the jewish book had phillistines as enemies. Wasn't phillistines around either when Romans named it that. And of course we aren't going to use that name for israel. That is why we changed it
@@SuperLancer2222 no the ohillistines were invaders from the sea who didn't turn up earlier than us back then either. And they got totally destroyed and remnants assimilated and gone way before the Romans took control
Nice opinion piece, truly demonstrates how little you know or understand about this conflict and the demographics of lebanon. I'd file this under pseudohistorical opinion from the eurocentric perspective on the lebanese civil war.
I'm a lebanese and I think it's pretty accurate and on point. I'm so much of a lebanese that I can project what you're beef is. Probably not having colorful antisemitic language bcz that's one point against the narrative I hear growing up and probably you disagree calling the Palestinian guerilla terrorists, although as a lebanese from the "Palestinian allies" side wink wink, I also have heard how completely degenerate the Palestinian fighters were against the Muslim civilians around them and I've also confirm a lot of Palestinian "jihad" were killing defenseless civilians women and children on the Israeli side (though I agree israel was established on arab land by ethnically cleansing Arabs and had and still does kill their women and children; that doesn't justify how Palestinians initiated mass terror against civilian infrastructure around the world and later the khomeinistas aka IRGC and tentacles and other islamists are doing the same). So yea if you mean by bias, it doesn't reaffirm your Quran overt nazi style antisemitism and anti everything non-muslim, then yea it's biased in a good way.
What do you mean in Communion with Catholics? They are themselves Catholic, part of the universal Catholic church. There are many Eastern Catholic rites which are not Latin which is the most dominant in the world.
You illustration of history is wrong, your use of terminology is wrong, I guess you got your research from one bias side rather than through research from independent sources. for one the Maronite church started in Syria, as a matter of fact Mar Marun was born in syria, they moved to Lebanon because of the conflict in the region. this is one of the many mistakes you included in your work. Palestinian fighters were not terrorist as you mentioned in your worthless piece, you should be neutral in your illustration, that was a small example of the wrong terminology. in short, your illustration is a waste of time.
The Maronite movement reached Lebanon in 402 AD Saint Maron's first disciple, Abraham of Cyrrhus, who was called the Apostle of Lebanon, realized that there were many non-Christians in Lebanon and so he set out to convert the pheonesian canneite inhabitants of the coastal lines and mountains of Lebanon.
Throwing a bush quote to try and tell Muslims to sit down and take Christian aggression lmfaoooo. You made that quote, eat it . Provoke the middle East and wonder why the numbers are dwindling and then seethe about muh prosecuted MENA Christians. Even today bootlickers of horrible tyrants like Assad and Sisi are Christcucks . What comes around goes around.
Why do you say West Bank and Gaza and not Palestine as it was known? Clear bias there …. Also as a Druze the conflict wasn’t only with maronites … otomans masacres on Druze are well know and the otomans used to play both people into killing each other just like any big empire that has existed … the Druze won most of the time the issue is they had no support and yes as you said the French intervine and gave the power to a losing population witch ofc created more conflicts yet … and that shows how external policies and interests have always ruled over the Middle East
It was not known as palestine. Palestine was never a real country. The name Palestina has been coined by the ancient greeks for the land occupied by the invading sea people the Philistines.
@@harrymate7892 it was not a country but the region was known as that and not as west bank and gaza either lol so whats your point? why whould he say west bank and GAZA yeaaaars before they where titled as he mentions. but refuses to say palestine as it was known to EVERYONE and ofc it wasnt a country because they never let it be one
@@dimecanal If you care so much about Palestine, "correcting" TH-camrs for how they name areas wouldn't be a very helpful. Moreover: - The west bank refers to an area, unlike Palestine - an ancient Roman province - Gaza is, like, 4000 years old. What's your point about it not being relevant ?
This is very well made. The one comment I would make that is likely bothering no one else is the photo clicking noise throughout. There's something very distracting about it.
Really important video , although it shouldn't be but to me this is a new Pov about the situation and history in my country , because we always learned history from the Shia Pov , and were always told this is the true history. Thanks a lot for this i really appreciate it.
dude! this guy is a jew! stroking the israeli propaganda! in all his sources he hasnt quoted a single lebanese or an arab who live in that region. This guy is trying to stoke another sectarian war in lebonan. Be careful of what he claims. Mostly is false info.
@@Blackbirdz2000 yeah well Lebanese sources tend to be biased as far as i know , they spin the narrative and change info. I dont care if the guy is a jew or not , and what info was false ? Correct him if you know what's true
@@mohammadzaarour7949 Lebanese sources r the correct ones! i dont wanna reveal too much here but do head to my advice, BE CAREFUL IN BELIEVING WITH THAT HE SAYS. Lebanon's internal position isnt very good right now, so my jewish man here is just being jewish....seeding the situation for another conflict.....Making other's fight their battles just as they did in 1982 by brainwashing these Lebanese Christians. And they r just doing that again, u wanted me to tell u abt false info, here is a hint; this history he has told is wickedly leaning towards the christians and their fellow christian sources from west. Completely ignoring the 1000s of years of Muslim history of this area as well as the Muslim side of the story. Like who killed that Mayor in South Lebanon and who killed that christian leader too to stroke the tensions to a boiling point.... Im sure u know who did it. Infect they tried to do the same during and after Beirut explosion when masked men started firing in the streets subsequently just like they did in history....im not saying u should stop following him, but keep yr eyes and ears open specially with him since he clearly has some interests in that region which might not be for the best of interests of that region.
This video really lacks any form of neutrality, calling Palestinian forces terrorists for defending their land against westerns invaders really shows that you are trying to impose your own thoughts into a historical documentary, also you try so hard to make Israel an image of a civilized nation among radicals, is really offensive to everyone. I am not saying you should be on the Arabs sides, but being neutral would have been more fitting for a historical documentary.
Just look what terrorists mean and then at number of terrorist attacks made by them. (6) If you do terror attack so you are terrorists, it's just fact.
@@markfreenick If western countries like Russia and the US go in a country and murder people, that is a terrorist attack since you consider people fighting for their rights as terrorists
12:38 there's a big mistake here the Jizya system was dead with the Ottoman Empire in Egypt,Syria and Iraq at the time Christians were treated as equals and didn't pay any form special tax
Many thanks for the effort put in making this video. However, a key issue in understanding the sequence of events in Lebanon and the Arab Israeli conflict more generally is the alleged integration between Arab nationalism and islamism. This is factually and empirically incorrect. Arab nationalism was and remains since its inception a leftists ideology with deep rivalry to islamism, which, by definition and pure logic, is a right wing ideology. The leftist ideology and Arab nationalism more generally took a huge blow and effectively took a back seat following the six days war which (for socioeconomic, among other reasons) gave way to the rise of islamism sponsored by oil rich Gulf states who were in turn backed by the US. As much as the Lebanese civil war was and remains to this days one of the most confusing conflicts of the 20th century, there is a lot to be learned from it.
Great Video but i think the video holds current standards to back them. Like saying “pay taxes just to not covert” yea current standards that’s unacceptable but back then that was rare and it was privilege because other empires forced conversions. I also think this video is biased towards Israel because of the use of the biography of Golda Meir who was literally a Israeli Prime minister, and calling the PLO terrorist.
The reason for this is because the Sunni Lebanese Muslims were in north Lebanon, but when Lebanon was being created they protested it and wanted to be part of Syria
All these borders are bs what we think now of Syria Lebanon or Jordan are artificial not saying we should all be one country but i don't our current divisions make sense anyway
11:48 - This isn't right. Many Arab nationalist leaders were Christians themselves, precisely because they saw secular pan-Arabism as their best protection from pan-Islamism.
Sounds like it would merely end up like what happened to jinnah's "secular" republic
SSNP
@@Cecilia-ky3uw there was no concept of India vs Pakistan prior to the British but there was a Muslim vs Hindu before the British so faith sounds a lot more appealing than fake Nationalism.
Same with Arab Israeli conflict, sense of Islamism sounds much better than arab nationalism
@@firstnamelastname4249 the arab israeli conflict is a general ethnic conflict while the pakistan india one is pirely religious related due to the collapse of jonnah'a republic
@@Cecilia-ky3uw that is not how both the Arab Nationalists and Islamist saw it or at least what they told people back then.
Both the Nationalists and Islamists claimed this is a A fight against Judaism rathar than ethinc jews, to them those were Poles Germans Russians Spaniards Italians Anglos and others who converted to Judaism who came to take Palestine because their religion Told them to do so to Nationalists they were fighting colonialism to Islamists it was a holy war against the invading infidel.
Only when the Internet started to became available people Got the bigger picture and even so Arabs still won't give up on it at least for the time being.
70-75% accurate. That’s an achievement considering researching any subject related to Lebanon. Lebanese people lineage goes beyond Christianity and Islam eras. Phoenician lineage was totally dismissed, although it has huge influence on the division between Lebanese Christians who consider themselves as a direct descendants from the Phoenicians and take a pride of the fact that they gave the world the alphabet I’m typing now. While on the other hand the Lebanese Muslims see themselves as Arabs. That division helped adding fuel to the fire prior, during and even after the civil war. Nonetheless very good and unbiased work you’ve done. 👏👏👏
Were are you coming from?
@@natybar-yosef9931Lebanon, you?
@@natybar-yosef9931 if I am to guess I’d say my neighbor :)
@@freddymaloof in from israel
@@freddymaloof yap
Thank you for covering this topic. As a Maronite Christian I never got the full unbiased opinion of what happened in the war.
dude! this guy is a jew! stroking the israeli propaganda! in all his sources he hasnt quoted a single lebanese or an arab who live in that region. This guy is trying to stoke another sectarian war in lebonan. Be careful of what he claims. Mostly is false info.
The Maronites were the only reason Lebanon ever became a prosperous state, that's why the superpowers back then wanted them to be in power, they knew very well how Lebanon will look under Islamic rule, unfortunately, it was not meant to last because the Muslims passed them demographically also Lebanon's productive population were allowed to migrate to the west practically leaving the country to the Islamic militias.
@@rimshot6444 west perhaps had been better off, had it let the people there decide what they want to be or how they chose to live and prosper. I do agree that since colonial era of the past 300+ years, Both Asia as a whole and Africa are struggling to recover from the effects of their colonial past......But that can change over time. Just let them live and experience life for themselves hence how they will learn and prosper.
@@Blackbirdz2000 When do you start counting colonialism? the Persian empire? the Greeks? the Romans? the Arabs? the Ottomans? or the French, British, American, and Chinese... the sad truth is that the state of Africans and Arabs is a direct consequence of their social structure and culture, slavery, for example, was and unfortunately still is widely practiced in Arab and African countries to this very day, the Europeans were the ones that exploited slavery 200 years ago but the slaves were captured and sold mainly by Arab and African traders, that is a major one of the many reasons why social and human rights could not develop in those societies leaving them in a perpetual state of war, corruption and backwardness, sad but it is what it is...
@@rimshot6444 nonsense......study colonialism first, u have no idea what yr talking about. Colonialism happened by Europeans for capturing markets and looting and putting their European concepts of systems on them without their will. That is why, the whole World agrees on who were the imperialists and colonists, including Europeans themselves.......Colonism was the worst thing happened to the humankind, far worst then holocaust or world wars......It is something still impacts the world, infect the entire world!
Study it in detail then only u will know......thats the genesis of the dislike of the world towards Europe or white people to this day.
Religion, and Tribe, then chaos. This sounds so much like Nigeria.
May God bless us with peace in Jesus name.
Jesus is dead
المستعمر اباد المسلمين في نيجيريا وارغم اهلها على التنصير ليكونو في حروب مستمره
@@السعوديه-ق4ح الإسلام دين الحرب
@@SAMI-SEM-997 yes and he rose from the dead the third day.
But do you know is sure dead and never woke up? It’s the laying Mohammad
@@السعوديه-ق4حu know nothing the colonist sided with the northern Muslim Fulani tribe and used them to dominate the other tribes in the southern region. During the biafrian war the majority Christian side tried to brake off British funded the Muslims as they where less educated and more prone to corruption hence why today nigeria is in the state that it’s in.
Islam was not present in southern Nigeria like that colonist did not exterminate Muslims your lying they literally sided with them to subject the rest of the population.
No one was forced converted in Nigeria conversion came naturally since people where allowed to be schooled if you converted because they would teach you English to read the bible which would allow you to go to a British school.
I remember seeing before/after pictures of Lebanon in school. It's amazing the dramatic difference pre and post war. It made me realize life as we know it could change quickly and completely beyond our control. It makes me thankful for what I have today.
Lebanon doesn't change even though the situation is normal now. There are still horizontal conflicts.
@@notjohnnyrico 'horizontal'?
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 inter faith conflicts.. civil war.
It's crazy looking at old picuted of some Muslim cities from the 60s and 70s. Cities like Tehran and Kabul looked similar to European cities of the same time, now women get beaten to death for not wearing hijabs. Conversely major Saudi Arabian cities looked like shanties compared to today.
@@arthas640 Like the Western and Russian intelligence had nothing to do with destroying those countries and slowing down their progress. CIA funded fundamental Islamist groups and Pan-Arabism.
13:04 "Being a good Arab meant not being a Christian." This statement is misleading at best and completely incorrect at worst. While many Lebanese Maronite Catholics have been (not without cause) extremely troubled by and fearful of Arab nationalism/Pan Arabism, it is important to point out that some of the fathers of Pan Arabism and its most prominent early proponents were Orthodox Christians like Jurji Zaydan, Michel Aflaq, and George Antonius. While there has been Islamist bias in elements of the Arab Nationalist movement, let's not take anything away from the important Christians who helped define and promote Pan Arabism and Arab nationalism. These intellectuals argued both famously and well that being a good Arab was not mutually exclusive from being a Christian.
exactly, few even know that the term Arabism was coined by Christian schollars
@@SirEdmundBlack Props to a Saudi prince for explaining this. Although he said he was pretty radical in thinking for his family, also was standing in front of a armed American (me), so could of probably just of been nervous-- But I doubt it, mostly because he also immediately went on to lambasting me for propping my feet up in his presence, so I learned two things that day.
Pakistan was founded by a Shia Muslim doesn't make it any less true that to be a good Pakistani you must be Sunni.
@@AliJawsXVII doesn't matter the origin. Pan Arabism fundamentally opposes the existence of Lebanon a country made for Maronite Christians who have historically been oppressed by the ottomans.
Yeah, I like the Casual Historian but in some parts of this video he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The opposition to Arab nationalism did not apply to all Arab-speaking Christians. In this context, the Maronites opposed it because it would lose them a privileged position they enjoyed under the National Pact, but Arab Christians have played an important role in Arab nationalism. In fact, some of the “PLO terrorists” he is talking about were themselves Christians.
Christians had exact equal rights in all the Arab countries that had a Christian population at the time the Ottoman empire dissolved. Lebanon certainly wasn't the only one as you say around 12:00. Also, the good Arab v. good Christian argument is just... nonsense. Some of the most prominent Arab nationalists (e.g. founders of Baath party) were in fact Christian. They looked towards Arabism precisely as a counter alternative to Islamic nationalism. It's the reason Arab governments and the Muslim Brotherhood still have their sour relationship today. Only later did a movement towards dissociation with Arabism pick up steam, and found a slightly stronger prominence with Christian populations.
I had high hopes for this video, but it's really missing the mark on so many points; in addition to being blatantly biased. Golda Meir is a lying hack, who herself promoted a terrorist organization. There's very little difference between what the Irgun and Hagana did in the 1940s, and what ISIL did in the 2010s.1956 had nothing to do with "terrorism" and everything to do with opportunistic expansion on the backs of Britain and France. When they liked the taste of it, they did it again in 1967
Thank you for stating some facts. The narrator is simply purely biased. Nassir destroyed muslim brotherhood and he is saying you can only be muslim and arab nationalists. So many misleadings here
What's the status of Christians in middle east( in exception of Lebanon)?
Answer: they are 2nd class citizens
@@TingTong2568 everybody who's not in the "ruling tribes" is a 2nd class citizen; no matter their religion.
@@fabbro8747 according to middle East standards
In September 1970 Jordan expelled the PLO and they went to Lebanon where they resumed guerilla operations along the southern lebanese border . The weak Lebanese army engaged the PLO in battles around Beirut and the south but was hesitant in confronting them decisively since the PLO had the Lebanese moslems backing them in parliament . Then the fatal blow came when an agreement was reached in Cairo allowing them to resume raids into Israel . Two years later the civil war officially began .
Side note: the PLO was expelled from Jordan for trying to kill the King, or that was the final straw at least. Arafat himself was involved in this
Fun fact
The wee King killed 25,000 on the PLO team
This comment proves you surely don't read or understand what happened. You surely know abt the founding of the state? The country was perfect to begin with? The Sidon fisherman strike, abject poverty in Muslim areas (as money was channeled to mt. Lebanon by Maronite elite), Tripoli going from a hub to a struggling city after the creation of Lebanon by then French, increasing crime in Beirut before the war. Nobody refutes the Palestinians were a factor, but the main/only factor?! Even today, what do they they have to do w the banking crisis, port explosion, etc.?! The country was going to fail bc it was setup , as Camille chamoun put it, for the slave-merchant relationship. Please read about all this. You won't like what you read, but you'll see which side was in the wrong.
@@1984isnotamanualWherever the Palis go, that sort of thing happens. Not only Israel suffers them, but Kuwait, Jordan and Lebanon all suffered because of them
@@GreenCanvasInteriorscapeGood, a great King.
Just a correction, the Maronites were always in communion with the Catholic Church - there was never a break away.
There was a cease in communion with Rome for a few hundred years post-Arab invasion but this was for logistical reasons (i.e. being trapped in the mountains surrounded by hostile Islamic authorities) rather than any sort of heretical practices on their part
⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️ the Maronites that took refuge in mount Lebanon were the Monks of Saint Maroun .. the Maronite population itself is from the conversion of the local phoenician population to christianity by the monks of saint Maroun .. ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️
exactly, and the monks never get married...
this must be clarified all the time, otherwise we would be considered syrians/turkish....
@@phoeniciangod3629 it's a very important fact for the plight of the Maronites .. the west needs to understand the historic , cultural , ethnic and racial importance of the Levantine Christians and understand that they are what is left of the original civilisations that predate the arabian-islamic invasion of the 7th century
@@_hunter_hunter1048 1000 percent.
@@_hunter_hunter1048 Muslims in the Levant are descendants of the pre Islamic populations of the Levant.
Lebanon paid the highest price for the Israeli Arab conflict, as a result of it's diversity and democracy which is unique in this part of the world
You go to Egypt and they tell you the same thing.
Correction: Lebanon paid a high price for supporting the Arab quest to eliminate the State of Israel.
@@banto1 there are many Lebanons inside Lebanon, it's a the radical factions that decided to attack Israel, everyone forgets the IDF was welcomed with flowers in the south of lebanon, because ppl in the hated the Palestinians, unfortunately Israel sided with the extreme maronite minority against the shia majority who ironically were the first collaborators with the state of Israel, that's what I call a strategic mistake by Israel that led to the birth of the extreme groups like HA
@@aymansalameh3701 Absolutely true that Lebanon is a very complicated place. And yes, IDF troops were showered with candy and flowers by the locals (both Shia and Christians), when they drove Arafat's army north from the south of Lebanon. However, the State of Lebanon officially declared war on Israel in 1948 (even though it didn't actually do much fighting) and had never rescinded that declaration of war to this day. At the time (summer of '82) the Shia weren't all that organized, so the IDF allied with the only force (the Maronites) that wanted to help rid Lebanon of the PLO. Israel retreated to the security zone in Southern Lebanon to (1) insure that PLO forces didn't come back, and (2) to protect the minority Christian villagers (who had allied themselves to Israel) from other local militants. This occupation (along with a lot of support from the Ayatoolah) created what we now know as HA (Hezbollah). I'm pretty sure that HA's masters in Tehran wouldn't have been too happy if Israel had wanted to collaborate with the Shia's instead of the Christians, so it wasn't so much a "mistake" on the Israeli's part, but rather, the only option available (other than to abandon the country altogether, which in hindsight would have been the better option).
@@banto1 Actually the Lebanese govt were not interested eliminating Israel, they fought a few Battles in on the Israeli-Lebanese Border and actually achieved a small victory and then pulled away from it. Perhaps some sunnis joined groups like the Army of Holy War which was its own organization but the Lebanese govt was not as you say. Also Jordan achieved the majority of their aims which was West Bank and Old Jerusalem.
I have been waiting for a video about the Lebanese civil war for a long time I can’t thank you enough
unfortunatley it's not very objective and not very accurate. I have a 15 video almost 15 hours documentary that details everything in an objective way at least. not even calling Isreal an enemy for Lebanon. if you are interested, it's in arabic but translated to English.
th-cam.com/play/PLBt7U9x3F7VMlA_OhEu2Ajmrkdr0LFxpT.html
I'm 4 minutes in and you've already made several casual mistakes, you "casual historian." Aside from your clear pro-Israel undertones, you said that Maronites blamed the Palestinians/PLO for "shifting demographics." That is not true. The PLO was a menace in Lebanon but they had no direct impact on demographics as Palestinians are not eligible for citizenship and thus cannot impact Lebanese demographics directly. There was an existential threat posed by the PLO, primarily in the Shi'a Muslim-majority South, after Israel extended its subjugation of the Palestinian people and the PLO sought to create a "state within a state" inside Lebanon.
You also said the Druze can be thought of as a sect within Shi'a Islam. This is absolutely not true. They emerged out of Ismaili Shi'a Islam (a minority of Shi'a today are Ismaili) but the Druze developed an entirely separate religion. Today, the Druze bear zero resemblance to Shi'a Muslims and they are not politically aligned with the Shi'a, either. In fact, most Druze do not even consider themselves Muslims. It's kind of like saying the Ahmaddiyah can be thought of as a sect within Sunni Islam because they emerged from that community. Absolutely not true.
I also find it funny how you described the United States as the parent in the front of the car screaming, "Why can't you all just get along?" It seems like you're subscribing to the Western propaganda that "these people in the Middle East have been fighting for thousands of years, and you'll never understand what they're fighting about." When, in fact, it's the United States that has aided and abetted Israeli aggression and expansion and Palestinian displacement, not to mention the countless other horrors in the region. If you recall, one of the 9/11 hijackers became radicalized after he saw buildings being destroyed in Lebanon aided by the United States.
9/11 happened because the USA defended Saudi Arabia from Iraq and then liberated Kuwait. The nakba happened both ways and only happened because Arabs invaded Israel they were the aggressors. It's like blaming Croatia for operation storm resulting in a Serb exodus.
@Tracchofyre the tragedy is that Serbs made it impossible for coexistence. Croatia is stable and has moved on from the war. Bosnia who didn't do their pland invasion of srpska is still unstable and will have a war in our life time.
5:40 what’s still interesting is how much France and the Christian Lebanese are still very intertwined up to this day
There is a huge Lebanese diaspora in France, many working in high positions as doctors, lawyers and so on. Most of the Christian elites speak French
And France still keeps a very close eye to Lebanon . A recent example is Macron going to Lebanon after the Beirut port explosion
The French are islamophobes!
"Most of the Christian elites speak French" ... ? All Catholic schools teach french as the 2nd language, whereas all Evangelical/protestant schools teach English as the 2nd language. Elitism and Maronitism got nothing to do with this. Catholic schools are generally located in Christian neighborhoods, whereas Evangelical/Protestant schools are generally located in mixed neighborhoods
The narration is too bent towards one side of the conflict. Furthermore, there are many mistakes and historical inaccuracies. For example, when talking about Shia you literally used the flag of "Amal Movement", a political party within Lebanon that is majority Shia but does not necessarily represent the sect (Amal didn't even exist prior to 1972).
Druze are not Shia muslims, they are actually a sect that came out of Ismaili Islam, and that's according to their own history and confirmed by most historians and theologians, contrary to Western sources that have never met a druze.
When talking about the history of the Maronites, you mentioned that they were persecuted by the Sunnis, which is part of the Lebanese told-story, a story that has been debunked by most renowned historians of the region.
The logic used in regard to Pan Arabism is factually incorrect. It's worth noting that Pan Arabism is an idea concocted by Arab christians from Egypt and Lebanon, so the idea that "you can't be a good Arab and a good christian" is highly inaccurate and incorrect. Two of the three parties who preached Pan Arabism in Lebanon during the 60s were headed by Christians. Moreover, the main rivals of Arab nationalism in the region have always been islamic parties.
When talking about Israel and the conflict in the region, the bias is clear.
Maybe don't call yourself a historian if you're going to butcher the history of an entire country.
Could you explain the bias in this video? If there is one its important to me to know about. Right now you're just throwing around accusations without explanation. Genuinely interested in knowing the truth.
@@Libikuroi his comment was explaining it dude. Read it . Why does he need to repeat a text when you can just reread if you didn't get it the first time .
Lol one of the products of the kind of popular narrative was a map I saw with a partition of Lebanon with a Sunni-shia state and a maronite-druze state as if it wasn't druze massacres of Maronites that led to the autonomous Lebanon mutasarrifate being created in the ottoman empire.
Historian Charles Hayek did a very good job debunking the myth of Christians being persecuted by Muslims, people should go watch his stuff.
It was a myth propagated and exaggerated by the French to create a reason to invade Lebanon and separate it from Syria and isolate it from the region and impose their influence.
@@hmmm3210 He explained the mistakes in the video, which I am great full for, facts matter. But mistakes are not examples of how this video is biased. Making mistakes and intentionally skewing the facts are to different thinks. The guy in the video might not be as informed on the subject matters as Arab historians and he might not even have access to the some perspectives has they do. But he holds no favoritism either way and tries to be subject in his narrative.
There was no Amal party at the start of the Lebanese Republic, so showing their logo in that section of the video is a historic wrong.
"when the ottoman empire DESIGNATED France as the protector "
LOL you can say it like that as well i guess ..
Despite well meaning intentions there are lots of unnuanced generalisations in this video. And cant see how any historian would take Golda Meirs autobiography as an objective source on the Palestinian resistance, let alone giving it this much weight.
Right?! Stopped watching after second reference to her book
Yes it is a bias source
12:42
Article 24 of Kuwait‘s constitution ,
All people are equal under the law, and they shall not be treated differently on the basis of gender, color, language, race, or religion
Stop spreading lies !
Except for the fact no other religion exists except for desert cults
There’s a mistake at 11:11, Israel was created in 1948, not 1958.
Love your videos btw ❤️
i assume he meant between 1948 and 1958 their was no activity. otherwise you are right adiv, israel was created in 1948
@@davyhamadani2806 except for the war of independence in 1948 and Palestinians seeking shelter in Lebanon
@Dani Al cope katsap tube sucker
@@bennruda11
Egypt and Jordan started the war in 1948.
Egypt occupied gaza and Jordan occupied west bank, right after Israel announced independence!!!
Israel never started any war!!!
@@iloveisrael929 announced their independence with just a small portion of sectarian violence and kicking ppl of their lands, and before you bring some bs about Israel ppl just wanted to live freely they could have stayed in Poland or Russia or wherever they came from
27:00 Musa Sadr lost his citizenship in mid 1970s. It was not related to Khomeini and 1963 protests. Sadr actually travelled to Iran and met the shah himself in early 1970s. The speculation is that his refusal to advance the shah’s policy in Lebanon cost him his citizenship - a rare move justified by the fact that Sadr family are originally from Iraq. Sadr relations with Khomeini is controversial, but most Iranians around him joined the 1979 revolution.
Mousa Al Sadr was definitely very pro Iranian revolution just like most of the Sadr family
Mousa Al Sadr was definitely very pro Iranian revolution just like most of the Sadr family
I like 🇱🇧 Lebanese people they make the most delicious shawarma
How dare you
@@נדבכוכבי-ע1ר let the Lebanese have their shawarma. Israel has sabich, perhaps an even more delicious sandwich
@@Jokkkkke why Isreali are always jalous from others
And that if if we go back to the Israeli from Abraham time
Do u ever change ??? 😂
I'd go to Egypt for falafel, Syria for shawerma, Lebanon for hummus and Jordan/Palestine for konafe
@@28Justchecking LMAO, u arabs even copy their religion. how embarassing 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
The Druze are not seen as part of the Shi'ite sect in Lebanon. The Druze are considered a separate sect, and to most of the Druze in Lebanon, they consider themselves as independent from Islam too.
they always sided with the PLO and muslims, which is why Druze is seen as part of them.
You should've mentioned the ideologies of Phoenicianism/Lebanese Nationalism
Zpy
@@tpozzbarwani9977 ok and?
Yes they should have. We are not arabs.
@@nadimlawandos6063 but the world will always view you as arabs
@@nadimlawandos6063 The Phoenicians are the Canaanites, the word Phoenician is an Ancient Greek word that described the Canaanites it means the color purple referring to the purple inks that they traded to the Greeks . The Canaanite/ Phoenician Civilization took place in Much of Modern day Palestine, Lebanon Syria and Jordan reaching North Africa and Malta and Cyprus and even Southern Italy , in fact the oldest Canaanite City and the oldest city in the world is Jericho in Palestine and the Phoenician Alphabet which is the first Alphabetical system in the world was founded in the town of Ugarit in Syria. So in other words you are not unique Lebanese boy .
Israel was formed in 1948 not 1958.
@11:10
As a Lebanese watching this, im grateful that my generation (2001+) are not as brainwashed as the older generation about who is stronger in this lovely country who should be dominant and living together peacefully having friends from all religions and groups
It's too diverse for there to ever be harmonisation. It's never going to happen. Countries, governments and cultures works best whenever they are homogeneous
@@ela7893 I was re-reading a quick except on the Protestant Hugeonots who fled Catholic France to the area near future Jacksonville. They were slaughtered by the Spanish in St Augustine, the ultra violent Pedro with a long name. (Avila?)
Later, Captain Blake (iirc) from England sailed up to St Augustine and shelled the Spanish. I believe the English kicked out the Spanish and sent them to Cuba, then invited them back to Florida during the American Revolution.
My facts might by a little iffy but it was a mess that got ironed out. Not so easy to do when people are cultivating a Grievance and Blame narrative.
I can see the points made by Jared Taylor.
@@ela7893you must have never heard of my country America which is more diverse than Lebanon and gets along just fine.
I can’t say I have all the answer to why America works but one reason is we have a constitution that keeps religion separate from the state and prevents the state from getting involved in religions (America would have been destroyed long ago if it didn’t have that). I have some other reason why America works but I won’t get into them unless you challenge me.
@@1984isnotamanual thanks champ. How big is the US compared to lebanon? Can't compare the two. Have you been living in a rock? Have you not noticed that masdive culture wars taking place in North America?
@@1984isnotamanual You still get along well because you are still the majority. Wait, until you become the minority in your own country then decide if you'll get along fine.
The video has a significant and apparent bias in its reference selection. It draws an inaccurate and skewed version of reality and should be a treated as a grossly simplified primer on the topic and not as a well researched summary. I would use it as a textbook example of political "orientalism"
What errors did you notice specifically?
Pro Israeli
Would you mind filling in the blanks?
“The parts of the video that I think are wrong are [blank].”
“The reason those parts are wrong is because [blank].”
“I think a better position to have is [blank].“
There is nothing casual about what you do, sir! Your work is commendable, thank you 👏🏽👏🏽 You’ve just got a new sub
simp
"The Druze are a sect of Shia Islam." Absolutely incorrect. Please, do your research or at least be honest and say you're going to lie through the whole video.
Druze origins lies in Ismaili shiism during the fatimid state
@@georgekhoury9954 yes, bur we don't identify as Muslims at all, neither shiites
Druz originated from the Ismaili Shia , they got themselves persecuted by the sunnis and rejected by both Sunni and Shia sects of islam .. the christians of lebanon took them in , yet the Druz turned out to be ungratefull bullies , the genocide in the 1800s against the christians by the druz is appalling ,entire christian towns and villages along with their inhabitants wiped out ..it is a well known fact that the Druz are terrified of the sunnis and shia , they will drop on their knees and kiss their feet begging for mercy
@@_hunter_hunter1048 The Druze aren't Muslim. At least the Christians and Jews received the scriptures, yet they warped them. The Druze? They're apostates and ethnic supremacists. May Allah guide them, and may Allah curse their founder who claimed their "caliph" was God.
Yeah, I was baffled when he said that, since I've heard from Druze I had the pleasure of talking with themselves that they have nothing to do with Islam, rather their ANOTHER different Abrahamic religion
why are all the quotes from Israeli and American politicians? What about Arab and Muslim ones?
Because the Israelis and Americans are the winners and the winners write history
as a lebanese i agree, i feel like this was a bit one-sided.
Oh cmon . You're given priority and you complain. If all weren't Jew you'd complain. Pipe down man .
Because israel ruined lebanon
What could you expect from an American Historian !!
I disagree with you on your statement considering Christian Arabs and Pan-Arabism, I am Christian Arab(but secular) myself, and I believe in Pan-Arabism to a certain degree. In fact one factions that believed in Pan-Arabism was the PFLP which was founded by one of the writers that you mentioned in the video Wadi Haddad, a Palestinian Christian who was secular and the co founder George Habash also a secular Palestinian Christian.
By the way, everything in this video is either heavily exaggerated or false. I highly suggest that you do your own research.
Exactly even the founder of Baathism a major pan arab movement was a Christian. Even when it comes similar groups like SSNP or Pan Syrianism it was founded by a Christian and with both still having support from some Christian communities.
G’day from Australia. There are some inaccuracies in your video, Muslims don’t consider the Druze to be Muslim and the Druze themselves know they are not Muslim as well.
Prior to the 1860 Civil war between the Druze and Maronites there was a smaller civil war between them in 1848 where the Druze lost 5,000 men dead and their leader Said Jumblatt was strangled by Maronite assassins in Syria.
The 1860 civil war saw the Druze armed and trained by the British win against the Maronites who were armed and trained by the French after the Maronites attacked the mainly Druze village of Aindarra with 4,000 men against 600 Druze and upon the Maronites losing this battle the whole country descended into anarchy and 60,000 Maronite men were killed.
There was honour back then, no rape, no ethnic cleansing or killing of unarmed civilians.
A Druze or Maronite family living in an opposing village would be protected by their opposing side.
Men of fighting age were given the opportunity to leave and know that no harm would come to their loved ones.
My Great Grandfather practiced the right of sanctuary given to an enemy when he was asked to give shelter by a man who was considered an enemy and he defended him against his relatives.
Years later my Uncle was warned during the start of the civil war to leave his job in Beirut by a friend who was on the opposing side and go home as he had overheard other workers on their plans to kill him after work.
Dirty war fought by dirty politicians and dirty warlords that still oppress their own people.
So many huge mistakes in this video
@@miskaaaa7123 I’m Lebanese born Australian and I like History and the presenter of this video knows only fiction.
I appreciate the amount of research you have done ,but the fact that Christians were natural opponents of Arab nationalism I gotta say it can't be more wrong.The founder of the Baath party was Micheal aflaq a a Christian, the head of the Arab nationalists movement were george habash and wadi Haddad.During the lebanese war most of the leaders in the opposing side of the so Christian camp were actually Christians as well like the Syrian nationalists party Syria as greater syria,not mentioning as well the fact that most of the professors and philosopers of the 1950s and 60s who promoted Arab nationalism were Christians as well like Konstantin zurayk.but for a non lebanese you are doing a great job so far , I ll be watching the whole series.
My French teacher in college was from Lebanon!
I’m sorry but your videos is very biased and surely not comprehensive. There was almost no mention of Palestinians without a word terrorist.
Just look what terrorists mean and then at number of terrorist attacks made by them.
@@markfreenick”the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”
Thats the definition. Every single faction or country mentioned in this video would be classified as terrorist. Including “terrorist” in a supposedly educational video is a clear indicator of bias.
I prefer to watch an actual educational video that tells me what happened, backed up by sources, without labelling or feeding my brain with what they think of each faction.
@@markfreenickevery faction engaged in terrorism. Especially the Lebanese Forces.
Hi Casual Historian,
Although I generally liked your video on this subject and I did get to learn new information about the Lebanese Civil War's origins, I do have to point out a mistake you made.
11:35 - 11:48 You stated that Arab nationalist were secularists only in name and not in practice. However, that is not true. Yes, Arab nationalism and Pan-Arabism does emphasise on Islam's role in the creation of the Arab identity. However, this does not negate its secular natute. Had this been the case, why was one of the three main founders of Baathism (a variant of Pan-Arabism), Michel Aflaq, not an adherent of Islam (a Christian to be specific). A second point is why would the non-Muslims or Muslims who were considered heretics by most other Muslims, rise up the ranks in both Baathist Syria and Iraq. Examples include Salah Jadid and Hafez al-Assad in Syria and Tariq Aziz in Iraq.
Overall, it was still a good video and I enjoyed it.
Thank you
He should use the term "sectarianism" which is more accurate to describe pan-arabism than the therm "secularism" or "islamism"
Usually pan arab leaders gave privileges and power to the people of their own sect. For example Saddam's Iraq or Assad's Syria
@@ולרו-ט3ב Although I cannot disagree about Iraq's Saddam and Syria's al-Assad dynasty favouring their own sectarian groups, I would not say that was a theme throughout the ideology of Pan-Arabism. Egyot's Nasser, Libya's al-Qadhafi and Algeria's Boumediene were not supporters of sectarianism (as far as I remember about al-Qadhafi, he was not a sectarian leader). Even in Baathist Syria before Assad, sectarianism was not entrenched in the Baathist movement. Yes, Arab nationalists did not generally treat their non-Arab citizens fairly, but that was less about religion and more about being Arab.
@@ThusItHappened I agree with what you said about Egypt's Nasser and Algeria's Boudemiene, but the case of Gaddafi was different. Gaddafi wasn't secularist, if I'm not wrong he was even a salafist. During his rule he supported islamic groups and applied the sharia.
Then in the 2000s he stopped to support islamic groups and erased his nuclear program with the hope for better relations with the west because his soviet ally did collapse
@@ולרו-ט3ב al-Qadhafi's version of Arab socialism was very unique in the sense that it was the most economically closest to communism while claiming to be tied to Islamic roots. al-Qadhafi was not a Salafist and I really doubt his Islamist credentials, as I remember he once criticised Islamic law for being insufficient when it comes to moder social and economic issues (not sure if this is true but I remember reading this). He also was hated by most Islamists and by fundementalists for being opposed to their ideas. As for his imposition of Sharia law, as much as I know, it was only in name or at the least, very weak in its implementation. About supporting Islamist groups all over the world, I would argue that was less about his personal support for Islamism and more about power projection or maybe combating his enemies such as Israel and the United States. And, it was not exclusively Islamist groups, as he did support other groups that had no connection to Islamist ideals. Now, Why would al-Qadhafi pretend to be an Islamist if he really wasn't? The answer in my view, would be to maintain the support of the Libyan people, as they are considered to quite religious and conservative, and if he had been too secular, they could have overthrown him much earlier.
What about SSNP
The Maronites never broke communion with Rome
The Druze aren't Shia. They are their own sect. Be fully informed before you post something like this.
The Druze are an offshoot or the shia Ismaili sect
Tbh that is one of the least of the video’s problems.
Camille Chamoun was not a part of the progressive socialist party HAHAHAHA, you got to love these people who spread wrong history facts or moments.
He was the literal opposite of that😂 our tiger was far better than these killers
The person you are showing in the Early Independence and Pan Arabism part at min 15:00 is Charles Malek, not Camille Chamoun.
@CasualHistorian This is an extrmely inaccurate video in a lot of the details. A LOT.
Please do not massacre our country's history because you want to post videos and get views on your channel.
And we are not Arabs.
there are a various errors such as dates of events and pronounciation of lebanese names . Example israel was formed in 48 not 58 . I left for Switzerland when the army clashed with the PLO in april 73 around Beirut . The begining of the end . Looking forward to the next installment .
You can excuse pronunciation errors when they involve sounds that do not exist in English, but I could not for the life of me understand why he pronounced the vowels in "Khoury" or "Chamoun" so weirdly ("kawry", really?) when perfectly acceptable English approximations exist (it's just /uː/ dude, which you can approximate with the "u" in "rule"). And for goodness' sake, someone tell him that "ch" is always pronounced /ʃ/ (ie, the english "sh"). At least he didn't butcher "Nasser" I guess
dude! this guy is a jew! stroking the israeli propaganda! in all his sources he hasnt quoted a single lebanese or an arab who live in that region. This guy is trying to stoke another sectarian war in lebonan. Be careful of what he claims. Mostly is false info.
you left on time.
@Daniel Tanios the American trying hard not to butcher the name, ends up butchering the name. 😂😂 but it's most objective than any lebanese faction could muster
Thank you very much for the great video. Happy to see my country represented on your channel
The logos are pretty inaccurate. The logo used to signify muslim shiias actually belongs to the amal movement, a large shiia faction, but not the only one (at least today). Furthermore, and actually the more significant error is that the video shows Camille Chamoun beside a logo of the PSP. Chamoun was never part of the PSP. Actually, the PSP was his enemy in the 1958 uprising and an opponent throughout his political journey. You actually corrected this mistake in the flow of the videos, but it is still irritating.
Greatly made video however!
“Triggered the flight of Palestinians” What an absurd euphemism. Ethnically cleansed would be more accurate. You don’t shy from that term when the perpetrators are Muslim. But like so many Americans you can bring yourself to criticise Israel.
what about the tens of thousands of palestinians that fled to Lebanon from Jordan following the black September massacres? what about the 850000 Jews that were expelled from Arab states to the state of Israel? maybe you feel the author should apologize to you for not finding Israel the main culprit...
What cleansed are you talking about wheb Palestinians just migrate to other countries? You're just being overdramatic.
Hundreds of thousand arab jews were expelled from virtually all islamic countries so we should tagged this as "ethnic cleansing" also? You're just lying and being overdramatic. You felt like a tiny country BULLIES 50+ islamic countries with 1.3 B population?? hahaha Oh please.
@@rimshot6444 Yes. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Arab states. The video even says that. I’m not sure what point you think you are making?
@@ไอ้พวกอิสลาม yes. That is ethnic cleansing.
Wouldn't using a book written by the prime minister of Israel be considered a bias in telling the story? Almost all of the sources are western
The 19th century altercation that led to Maronite Druze civil war actually started by Maronite’s rebelling against their Maronite overlords, then the maronites in another area rebelled against their Druze overlords so there was nothing sectarian about how it began
I'm and arab the events are maybe right the explanation is 100% false we don't see Christians as a bad arab at all alot of our great arab poets are Christian and sang song for arab nationalism and raiding Israeli town those towns were taken from arab by force they had no right to do it they made numerous massacres to us in numerous villages to children and women even they said they actually did it's our land and it will always be
The fact you say about Christian second hand citizen in Egypt my country Christian has no discrimination from centuries the wealthiest family in Egypt are Christian the head of constitutional court are Christian we go to schools together we go to each other weddings we don't really care and the(jezzia) the tax of non muslims stops hundreds of yours ago and for centuries jews and Christian people held a very high places in government in ottoman ,mamluk ,fatmid and abbasid caliphate better than Europe at that time that killed them and hunted them for nonsense like cause of spreading the plague you clearly know nothing about the arabian area so shut tf up
Jews were persecuted everywhere, in Europe but specially in the Arab world.
@@harrymate7892 when was that exactly jews in muslim spain hold very high places in government and there was alot of wealthy merchants
After the the Christian took spain back thay were hunted both muslim and jews and tortured and forced to convert to Christianity in what point in history did a muslim empire forced anyone to enter islam
After that the ottoman took them as refugees both muslim and jews a like and lived for hundreds of years under muslim rule
In Morocco jews lived there and was a huge community there
In Egypt in late 1800and first half of 1900 the wealthiest families in Egypt were jews
In Abbasid caliphate alot jews were appointed ministers
And in the same time in Europe the jews were hunted killed cause alot of the church said they plaque is a punishment from god cause they lived between them were hunted door to door in russia when the tsar was assassinated the russian in the late 1800 the jews were blamed and hunted when did this ever happened in arab countries
Btw the( jizzia ) the tax that the non muslim pays is a tax if protection as the the non muslim were not allowed in the army but the muslim didn't pay it because they were allowed and called upon to the army when there were A threat
When was that exactly? Well since the arab invasion of the levant. And please don't tell me that you like the jews, you call them sons of pigs, even in your holy book. Also did you hear about khaybar?
@@harrymate7892 since Israel existed they started prosecuting natives. Before that jews and muslims didn’t casually fight over religion. Only couple of minor conflicts unlike today
@@omarelsabagh25 Muslims had the biggest slave trade in the world
12:46
No. This is extreme and simplistic generalization.
Construction of churches and synagogues was not completely forbidden.
For the most part the policy was that churches would not be higher than mosques
But obviously construction of churches wasn't completely forbidden for 12th centuries. That would be impossible and never actually enforceable.
How would such significant Christian minorities would survive under that assumption for so long in the middle east?
Obviously just by appreciating how large christian communities still existed up to the 20th century demonstrates how improbable is that to suggest that.
This is nonsensical ahistorical extreme simplification.
Thank you for this enlightening video.
My grandfather worked for the Iraqi Oil Company and so my father grew up in the Middle East, mostly Haifa and Beirut. Whenever 'troubles' in that area were on the news I could see how it upset him. Often all I could get out of him was something along the lines of "The Lebanon was one of the most beautiful and civilised places on Earth for thousands of years, now they have destroyed it."
On the rare occasion I could get any more out of him he'd complain "Everyone I met was civilised, hospitable, and worked to get on with their neighbours whoever they were because they knew they all hated each other. Local friends warned me selfish madmen were going to ruin everything for power." Englishman he might have been but I could tell it broke his heart.
I got impression much of the trouble was caused by the usual selfish monsters who always pop up to advantage of a power vacuum in the name of one thing or another - setting aside one's blinkered modern perspective of such things I get the feeling my father's local friends would have taken the stability of a bit more colonial rule over what they correctly predicted was coming.
Of course it really doesn't matter now. If your father was killed by your neighbour's father you aren't going to like your neighbour much regardless of the reasons, or indeed stop hating him long enough to find out if he's a nice chap or not.
Amazing. As a lebanese, I feel the same as your grandfather. But I also feel bitter and useless to change things around. How to turn things around to a secular humane democracy when everyone is acting like a pirate.
What we are taking about here is the transition from the old empires to secular democracy.
It's clear that democracy, absent the coercive hand of a greater power, is an extremely difficult thing to create & maintain.
No democracy ever just segued into being; all involved conflict with a monarchy or prior autocratic ruler; most had civil wars, reversions, & still have major challenges living up to their rhetoric & aspirations; the current American situation shows how political & personal selfishness, greed, fear & power can destroy trust & threaten democracy.
The USSR breakup, & Iraq situations show that democracy, even with the good will of key stake holders, is very very hard; trust is the key, since it is impossible to legislate or police everything.
One must trust the police, the law, the politicians, & other ppl to act fairly, reasonably, correctly - to subsume their interests to higher ideals.
The modern nation state has been the most successful way to organise ppl in human history by all measures, bc it creates the structure that allows ppl to strive for something bigger than themselves; failed states revert to tribalism.
Democracies fail when enough ppl decide the system is not fair, that they'd benefit more from breaking the system than supporting it.
And modern political hucksters have decided to use chaos, distrust ^ fear as political tools; this is not new - the "It's all going to shkit, only I can fix it" routine is very old indeed.
There is no nation that can be built upon, or survive the ethnic & religious competition that we see in Israel, Lebanon, & Yugoslavia.
This is why the total surrender of Germany & Japan was so important to their modern stability & prosperity.
Surrender to the Western Democratic Model, with local variation, has been the best choice in history.
It's inarguable!
And India is toying with its democracy, persecuting non Hindu ppl, seemingly unaware, like Turkey previously, that fire burns!
Let the Lebanese civil war be a big lesson for Western European countries. When you let large groups of migrants settle in your country, you will find out that diversity is not a strength.
Diversity leads to war and replacement.
Love the intro was done by a dude from Wisconsin I can tell that accent from a mile away. Midwest gang rise up.
If you're talking about the guy who read that first quote, I believe he's from Ohio. If you're talking about me, you're over 2,000 miles off.
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@@buckfizzard291 yeah i got rekd hurts really bad
Before the civil war broke out in 1975, Lebanon was yesteryear's Dubai or Abu Dhabi or Bahrain or Qatar in terms of wealth and stuff like that.
Yes!! Leader of Dubai mentioned in his book that modern-day Dubai was inspired by Lebanon in the 60s.
as someone that has filmed in Lebanon, this is a good and informative video...great country with a tragic history
No is desinformatien
@King Saddam but who gunned them down? IDF?
G’day from a Lebanese born Australian. The video is inaccurate on many grounds.
@King Saddam I’m Lebanese born and it was the PLO/Fatah that started the civil war in Lebanon.
@King Saddam so Brothers kill, rape, rob and ethnically cleanse a country that isn’t theirs. In the village of Damour in Lebanon these Brothers killed every inhabitant including babies and abused the women and girls before they to were slaughtered.
Arafat’s people killed more Lebanese civilians than Israel will in a lifetime. I don’t care about the Palestinian Israeli conflict, it’s not my problem if it means so much to you the Syrian Israeli border is available for you.
Well done. Keep up the good work.
This video has many inaccuracies
The main reasons of the original civil war in Lebanon was a religious and political conflict between a hristian
Everything in this video is either heavily exaggerated or false. For those who watched the video, do your own research and do not take this video seriously.
Why do you say this?
As far as can see it’s pretty accurate. Where do you see it wrong?
As Lebanese person I do agree to a high extent
Indeed. Some connections were made that made no sense, the assumption that all muslims and druze were on the same page, and all the christians were on the same page.
@@bleikwajdi all Christians were on the same page as the majority of the Christians were the Maronites. I don’t know about the Druze, but most Moslems were on the same page as they didn’t want to be associated with the West but wanted panarabism or more Islamic connection than being ruked by France or the Maronites
I am an American /Lebanese thank u for the documentary.
A very bias documentary.
@@saqeralthawara2342 agree
@@saqeralthawara2342Seems to be very bias
A few corrections:
- 'Christians' did not look to the West or ally with the West, specifically the Maronite Catholics of Lebanon did, along with some *local* Melkite and orthodox supporters. Coptic Christians in Egypt, Rum in Jordan, Palestine, and Syria, and Assyrians in Iraq, did not ever ally with foreign Western powers against their Muslim majority neighbors. Pan-Arabism did not exclude christians
- The first Arab Nationalists and Pan-Arabists were Orthodox Christians and some Maronites from al-Shams (Historic Levant) who revived the dormant Arab culture in the Ottoman-dominated lands
- Gamal Abdel Nasser knew next to nothing about most Arab Christians, only the Copts of Egypt who he assumed did not want a part in pan-arabism as they identified as non-Arab Copts. He later changed his mind after the miracle of Virgin Mary in Zeitoun which unified Muslims and Christians alike in Egypt
- Quite a few prominent christian lebanese actually took the Palestinian/Leftist side in the war like author Kamal Salibi
- More than 1/4 of all palestinians who initially fled to Lebanon were christians, like PFLP premier, George Habash
- The Maronite family, the Gemayels actually allowed the PLO into lebanon by signing the Cairo Agreement
- The PLO had been expelled from Jordan after an assassination attempt on the king, the Jordanian army proceeded to burn down all of their camps and run them from the desert into lebanon. The myth that only the lebanese Maronites attacked the PLO is wrong (despite my issues with the decisions they made)
- PLO also got into major brawls with the shi'a lebanese in the south, who ended up despising the PLO
many arabs are christian but it does not fit the narrative of msm.
Totally misinformed. E.g Gemayel’s didn’t sign anything to begin with, as at that time they didn’t have any official title to begin with.
Why do you only quote notorius war criminals?
The history of the civil war cannot be condensed into a 30 minutes video , besides the repetition of "terrorists" whenever palestinians are mentioned , while calling it israel whenever it's mentioned , gives the idea that this video might be more a propaganda than informative, according to the Geneva conventions , an occupied people have the right to do anything in the defence of their country, so repeating the word terrorists when their country was occupied for less than 5 years as mentioned makes it seem like its legal to occupy for this period then the people are considered terrorists if they defend. Besides many aspects of the situation before the civil war were ignored, many important details hidden.
This video is clearly propaganda. No Lebanese, Christian or Muslim would accept his narrative. He boils down the elite rivalry into a centuries old religious conflict and described Lebanon as a secular Christian nation fighting Muslim minorities and Islamic pan-Arabism. It’s laughable.
Then what do u call Palestinians that tried to occupy Lebanon, and by turn also calling Lebanese traitors and Zionists when defending our home
@@karlwarda7628 I call them heroes.
@@saqeralthawara2342 wow, heroes that chose to give up their country only to gang up on the one that welcomed them like Jordan and Lebanon, only also fail again and live miserably while your innocent suffer from the bad decision making of your leaders. You're welcome to learn how to be a real resistance from the Lebanese Forces. But you won't, cz you don't have heroes, only traitors to their own people
@@karlwarda7628 We have are heroes in Palestine in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip . The Lebanese Forces are not resistance they are nothing but Maronite Separatists and mass murders , who think that they are unique and different from other people around them while they are in fact nothing but French wannabes . Lebanon is Syrian territory.
druze are NOT seen as a sub-sect shia muslims, they are seen as external to islam within lebanon. it depends on who you ask, some people will saw they're muslims, others will say they're not at all. druze are forbidden from marrying outside their faith and that includes muslims. druze are a sect of their own that is ethnically closer to the jewish and samaritains than the arabs.
source: i'm half-druze (or not druze at all depending on who you ask)
How do you get "closer to Jews" when you were formed in the tenth century lmao . Mostly out of ismaili Arab converts anyways . 🧐
They’re even more heretical Shias.
Well done!
The Druze/Maronite relationship explained at the beginning of the video is completely out of context and is wrong. Even at the time there was no “Lebanon” as it is known today
One crazy religion hates another crazy religion. Cannot live with each other. All praying to the same god that may not exist. Thank you.
if you think its that simple youre ignorant
Wrong. Islam demands from its followers to convert the world into Islam. So, if Muslims will ask you to convert or die, what would you do? Pull down your pant and bend down? That is what happened in Lebanon and will happen in the area where you live too. I assure you. Wake up!
it was much more ugly than that. You basically gave them the French made version, the same one they push down our throats in school.
I guess I am too weak in lebanon's knowledge but wasn't muslim immigration the cause of civil war? Correct me if I am wrong
@@simulify8726 no wtf??? Where do you get this shit from?
Do you mean the Palestinian refugees that Israel sent?
@@simulify8726 no, Muslims didn’t migrate they were just having a lot more children. The real reason is complicated, but it started with plo invading and occupying Lebanon, than some Maronite terroist millitias started committing massacres against Lebanese and Palestinian Muslims. This led to Muslim millitias rising up to fight them, then it turned into a massive hole of fighting before more powerful nations started trying to assert their dominance there like Israel, Iran and USA.
@@AryanAkane propaganda? I hate the plo a lot more than you. The fighting began when far right Maronites murdered a bus of Palestinians, so the plo engaged in combat. Have some respect when talking.
@@meee6584My guy what, you literally just contradicted yourself. The PLO literally invaded Lebanon, lebanese christian’s didnt kill anyone until after the syrians, palestinians and lebanese muslims (traitors) started murdering Lebanese people. Bachir gemayel (lebanese forces) literally said they just wanted a lebanon for lebanese people, no syrians and no palestinians and no foreign intervention. He never said anything about christian or muslim.
The continued reference to Palestinians as “terrorist” while quoting Israeli and American leaders feels disingenuous. It appears to be biased against Palestinians, no mention of Israeli atrocities is mentioned - simply referencing Palestinians continually as terrorists is an ahistorical and un-nuanced account. Like referring to the Continental Army as terrorists in the US revolution.
Because it's the PLO, the PLO is was a terror organization. Just like its members which were terrorists
@@aiaivivi8286 to you. to others they’re freedoms fighters. this needs to be placed in context. to Palestinians, Israelis are terrorists. to indigenous people, colonists are terrorists. Iraqis think US soldiers are terrorists, do you? It’s nuanced and if this meant to be treated as a serious historical video I would expect a major faction to be given the respect it deserves, rather than be written off in a biased and reductive manner as terrorists.
@@ZachWhoSaneGK hmmm not only to me... You see. An organization that committed thousands of terror attacks DIRECTLY AIMING AT CIVILIANS, blew up busses, shops , restaurantes, kidnapped and blew up planes , started 2 civil wars (in Jordan and Lebanon) , started 2 intifadas, shot rockets on Israeli cities .
For organization like that TERRORISTS suits very well .
@@ZachWhoSaneGK he didn't call the Palestinians terrorists. He called the PLO members terrorists. Which they are , whatever you are an Arab, Jew , Muslim , or whatever . It's a fact which you have to accept
@@aiaivivi8286 that is your interpretation of events based on your own biases. so no, it’s not just facts.
Beautiful thorough video. U did very well. Looking forward for part two.
One man's freedom fighter is a terrorist and vice versa.
5:34 Painting by Jean-Baptiste Huysmans representing the great Algerian leader the Emir Abd-el-Kader, protecting Christians in Damascus in 1860, during the massacres committed by the Druze.
What a biased depiction of the subject matter! It's not only the fact that this is totally an apologetic take on western imperialism (France occupied Lebanon to prevent genocide of the Maronite!), nor is it also the fact that the narrator declined to call Palestine by its historical name (named it Israel even though Israel wasn't established yet), but overall it is a right wing evangelical perspective going far beyond classical orientalism to reach a level of activism.
It was only called Palestine by Romans wanting to anger Jews. And there never in history has been an indendent palestinian state. Would be incorrect if he did call it Palestine
@@saul2491 the region was still called Palestine by everyone till recently for political bs. Cope lmao . Might as well call the region of Iraq the Akkadian empire forgetting that southern mesopotamia has had the regional name of Iraq for over a millennia.
@@saul2491 You mean the Greek? You should know that the ancient egyptians and Assyrians called it Palestine way before the Greek.
@@SuperLancer2222 wasn't called that before the Romans. Romans only wanted ti anger Jews because the jewish book had phillistines as enemies. Wasn't phillistines around either when Romans named it that.
And of course we aren't going to use that name for israel. That is why we changed it
@@SuperLancer2222 no the ohillistines were invaders from the sea who didn't turn up earlier than us back then either. And they got totally destroyed and remnants assimilated and gone way before the Romans took control
Nice opinion piece, truly demonstrates how little you know or understand about this conflict and the demographics of lebanon. I'd file this under pseudohistorical opinion from the eurocentric perspective on the lebanese civil war.
Agee, too much bias and misinformation in one video
I'm a lebanese and I think it's pretty accurate and on point. I'm so much of a lebanese that I can project what you're beef is. Probably not having colorful antisemitic language bcz that's one point against the narrative I hear growing up and probably you disagree calling the Palestinian guerilla terrorists, although as a lebanese from the "Palestinian allies" side wink wink, I also have heard how completely degenerate the Palestinian fighters were against the Muslim civilians around them and I've also confirm a lot of Palestinian "jihad" were killing defenseless civilians women and children on the Israeli side (though I agree israel was established on arab land by ethnically cleansing Arabs and had and still does kill their women and children; that doesn't justify how Palestinians initiated mass terror against civilian infrastructure around the world and later the khomeinistas aka IRGC and tentacles and other islamists are doing the same). So yea if you mean by bias, it doesn't reaffirm your Quran overt nazi style antisemitism and anti everything non-muslim, then yea it's biased in a good way.
Pro Israeli channel
@@stormz761 not sure this is a fact. But regardless, facts are facts. One can argue ideas and arguments based on their merit not ad hominem
@@depreciatingasset you are maronite, we get it
Maronites are in full communion with the Catholic Church
What do you mean in Communion with Catholics? They are themselves Catholic, part of the universal Catholic church. There are many Eastern Catholic rites which are not Latin which is the most dominant in the world.
Fantastic video, with so much information!
I am not gonna watch this as I see in all that comments that there are many and many mistakes in the video.
That's quite concise and comprehensive presentation.
Too many inaccuracies, a good video nevertheless, please do some more research, especially dates.
You illustration of history is wrong, your use of terminology is wrong, I guess you got your research from one bias side rather than through research from independent sources. for one the Maronite church started in Syria, as a matter of fact Mar Marun was born in syria, they moved to Lebanon because of the conflict in the region. this is one of the many mistakes you included in your work. Palestinian fighters were not terrorist as you mentioned in your worthless piece, you should be neutral in your illustration, that was a small example of the wrong terminology. in short, your illustration is a waste of time.
The Maronite movement reached Lebanon in 402 AD Saint Maron's first disciple, Abraham of Cyrrhus, who was called the Apostle of Lebanon, realized that there were many non-Christians in Lebanon and so he set out to convert the pheonesian canneite inhabitants of the coastal lines and mountains of Lebanon.
Just look what terrorists mean and then at number of terrorist attacks made by them. It's fact, love you or not.
Religion of peace
Throwing a bush quote to try and tell Muslims to sit down and take Christian aggression lmfaoooo. You made that quote, eat it . Provoke the middle East and wonder why the numbers are dwindling and then seethe about muh prosecuted MENA Christians. Even today bootlickers of horrible tyrants like Assad and Sisi are Christcucks . What comes around goes around.
SUBSCRIBED. excellent details.
When will you upload the 2nd part?
After 700 sunsets INSHAALLAH
*wins election by a single vote
*Proceeds to purge all who didn't vote for him.
Classic example of why total democracy is terrible.
Dude, could you possibly make a tiny effort not to butcher the names of these people???
I am sorry to break it to u but this video is stuffed with inaccuracies and just straight up lies
Author could nit fit all the lies in one video , he had to split it to two.
Wikipedia documentary... unbiased is an overstatement.
Why do you say West Bank and Gaza and not Palestine as it was known? Clear bias there …. Also as a Druze the conflict wasn’t only with maronites … otomans masacres on Druze are well know and the otomans used to play both people into killing each other just like any big empire that has existed … the Druze won most of the time the issue is they had no support and yes as you said the French intervine and gave the power to a losing population witch ofc created more conflicts yet … and that shows how external policies and interests have always ruled over the Middle East
It was not known as palestine. Palestine was never a real country. The name Palestina has been coined by the ancient greeks for the land occupied by the invading sea people the Philistines.
@@harrymate7892
Truth
@@harrymate7892 it was not a country but the region was known as that and not as west bank and gaza either lol so whats your point? why whould he say west bank and GAZA yeaaaars before they where titled as he mentions. but refuses to say palestine as it was known to EVERYONE and ofc it wasnt a country because they never let it be one
@@dimecanal If you care so much about Palestine, "correcting" TH-camrs for how they name areas wouldn't be a very helpful.
Moreover:
- The west bank refers to an area, unlike Palestine - an ancient Roman province
- Gaza is, like, 4000 years old. What's your point about it not being relevant ?
No, it was not called Palestine.
This is very well made. The one comment I would make that is likely bothering no one else is the photo clicking noise throughout. There's something very distracting about it.
This video is extemely biased against arab countries lol
Very biased tone! Not to mention the incorrect and false information
Really important video , although it shouldn't be but to me this is a new Pov about the situation and history in my country , because we always learned history from the Shia Pov , and were always told this is the true history. Thanks a lot for this i really appreciate it.
dude! this guy is a jew! stroking the israeli propaganda! in all his sources he hasnt quoted a single lebanese or an arab who live in that region. This guy is trying to stoke another sectarian war in lebonan. Be careful of what he claims. Mostly is false info.
@@Blackbirdz2000 yeah well Lebanese sources tend to be biased as far as i know , they spin the narrative and change info. I dont care if the guy is a jew or not , and what info was false ? Correct him if you know what's true
@@mohammadzaarour7949 Lebanese sources r the correct ones! i dont wanna reveal too much here but do head to my advice, BE CAREFUL IN BELIEVING WITH THAT HE SAYS. Lebanon's internal position isnt very good right now, so my jewish man here is just being jewish....seeding the situation for another conflict.....Making other's fight their battles just as they did in 1982 by brainwashing these Lebanese Christians. And they r just doing that again, u wanted me to tell u abt false info, here is a hint; this history he has told is wickedly leaning towards the christians and their fellow christian sources from west. Completely ignoring the 1000s of years of Muslim history of this area as well as the Muslim side of the story. Like who killed that Mayor in South Lebanon and who killed that christian leader too to stroke the tensions to a boiling point....
Im sure u know who did it. Infect they tried to do the same during and after Beirut explosion when masked men started firing in the streets subsequently just like they did in history....im not saying u should stop following him, but keep yr eyes and ears open specially with him since he clearly has some interests in that region which might not be for the best of interests of that region.
@@Blackbirdz2000 this is literally a project about the middle east done by independent history youtubers.
Get me some sources or else dont talk
@@mohammadzaarour7949 ''independent history youtubers'' 🤣
My man yr genius.
5:21 this is Damascus in 1925 after the franch bombing!
This video really lacks any form of neutrality, calling Palestinian forces terrorists for defending their land against westerns invaders really shows that you are trying to impose your own thoughts into a historical documentary, also you try so hard to make Israel an image of a civilized nation among radicals, is really offensive to everyone. I am not saying you should be on the Arabs sides, but being neutral would have been more fitting for a historical documentary.
Just look what terrorists mean and then at number of terrorist attacks made by them. (6) If you do terror attack so you are terrorists, it's just fact.
@@markfreenick If western countries like Russia and the US go in a country and murder people, that is a terrorist attack since you consider people fighting for their rights as terrorists
12:38 there's a big mistake here
the Jizya system was dead with the Ottoman Empire
in Egypt,Syria and Iraq at the time Christians were treated as equals and didn't pay any form special tax
Many thanks for the effort put in making this video.
However, a key issue in understanding the sequence of events in Lebanon and the Arab Israeli conflict more generally is the alleged integration between Arab nationalism and islamism. This is factually and empirically incorrect. Arab nationalism was and remains since its inception a leftists ideology with deep rivalry to islamism,
which, by definition and pure logic, is a right wing ideology. The leftist ideology and Arab nationalism more generally took a huge blow and effectively took a back seat following the six days war which (for socioeconomic, among other reasons) gave way to the rise of islamism sponsored by oil rich Gulf states who were in turn backed by the US.
As much as the Lebanese civil war was and remains to this days one of the most confusing conflicts of the 20th century, there is a lot to be learned from it.
Well said bro
Great Video but i think the video holds current standards to back them. Like saying “pay taxes just to not covert” yea current standards that’s unacceptable but back then that was rare and it was privilege because other empires forced conversions.
I also think this video is biased towards Israel because of the use of the biography of Golda Meir who was literally a Israeli Prime minister, and calling the PLO terrorist.
the PLO was very terroristic
This is not history it is near propaganda.
True!
As a Lebanese, born and raised, it is very clear that this is a biased western perspective of Lebanon. Highly dissaprove of this video.
Muslims, Islam destroyed Lebanon, but got Mia Khalifa
What the hell are you talking about?
why you blaming Islam and Muslims
@@samirdizco2759 because he’s delousinal
Because Lebanon was one a Christian country that was prosperous, but now is controlled by incompetent Muslim politicians
@@meee6584 read up on the history of Lebanon
As my son inlaw is Lebonese I wanted to find out what had caused all the wars so thank you for this information
1948, not 1958 😉 creation of Israel and the israeli airline is el al, not al el
7:06 thats very correct, i know many lebanese sunni muslims who their loyalty is not to the idea of greater lebanon but to greater syria.
Sadly its the case
Thats why if u see in the history Shia are closer to Christians since generations
Now sadly Shia has their loyalty to Iran
@@28Justchecking and the Christians have their loyalty to France and USA
The reason for this is because the Sunni Lebanese Muslims were in north Lebanon, but when Lebanon was being created they protested it and wanted to be part of Syria
All these borders are bs what we think now of Syria Lebanon or Jordan are artificial not saying we should all be one country but i don't our current divisions make sense anyway
@@khaledallan1551 exactly it’s divide and conquer. They know that if we were one country we’d be a lot more powerful