I still don't understand all of the discussion about the heat on the left side of the Ducati multi-Strada. I ride my multi-Strada V4 S in South Florida which is unbearably hot and still do not have any issues. I primarily wear jeans and still have yet to feel any heat like I have on different cruisers. After almost 14,000 miles on this bike in eight months, I have yet to experience any uncomfortable heat on either side.
the Multi has cylinder deactivation which should help a lot in stop and go traffic... and the Multi's are all comfortable when moving. I think they're assuming the V4S will be just like the Pani (which is hot as blazes unless you're going fast enough to generate sufficient airflow)... but the Desmo motor is a different beast from the Multi powerplant.
I'm not sure where exactly it is coming from but I realized the issue after just a few kilometers of riding and after stopping a few times a the traffic lights. There were a few harder accelerations in the meantime but also with a speed gain ovbviously. I came to realize that it's 'burning' my leg when I was slowing down at one of those traffic lights. Never heard of it before and I wasn't reading/listening to any reviews before I sat on the V4 myself and rode it. Reading about your experiences with the bike, it might be interesting if you'd make a test and do 3-4 hard accelerations from very low speeds to around 160 km/h (100 mph) and then come to a stop. This would be an easy way to find out. Nobody rides like this every time, but some like to come close to this style of riding... ekhm... Nevertheless, this should put the bike through its paces and warm it up.
If you are just puttering around and shifting up as per the speed then there is no heat issue. If you are maxing out RPMs in each gear, trying to stay in the perfect powerband, it does get hot. Forget about down south, I am talking about Seattle.
I rode both and just bought the 2021XR. I'm coming off a more traditional sport touring (C14) so the weight difference alone is amazing. Still on my honeymoon at 1245mi.
I purchased a new XR this year. Looked hard at the Multistrada, but knew within the first 5 miles of the test ride I'd probably be going with the XR. Test rode it on a 87° day and could really feel the heat, but at the end of the day, the fact that there's 2 BMW dealers within 50 miles of my house, and the nearest Ducati dealer is over 125 miles away made the decision much easier. After 6 months with the XR I've never looked back. I never go off road and it's like a much more comfortable sport bike.
Hey, I'm very happy that you're enjoying your XR and are happy with the decision. Thanks for sharing your point of view as it may be helpful to many of us. I've been reading about the distance to the nearest dealer being quite often a deciding factor or even a deal breaker for some. Made my think about it a lot actually. Thanks again and all the best with your XR!
This guy is really bias towards the GS. I own both bikes (GS1250 and a MTS V4S), and Before buying the duc I drive am XR, and there is no way a GS can keep up with na XR or a MST v4. The GS has an impressive stability during corners, but is not as nimble as the other two while changing direction
So I think many people confuse low speed handling with "handling". The GS is very nice at low speed maneuvers... but that does NOT necessarily translate into handling at speed (well it's not a bad handling bike... but it feels its weight at speed MUCH more than when puttering). As an example, a buddy and I rented bikes in Germany last trip - I got a R1200GS and he got an F800GT. We spent a weekend riding on the B500... and I enjoyed the GS on that road, it was fun and competent. THEN we switched bikes and I got to ride the GT... and it was better at everything except straight line acceleration, it was absolutely the better bike for the twisty tarmac of the B500. IMO the V2 Multi would be even better than the F800GT, the XR even better, the V4 multi would likely be closer to the GS (but I've not ridden the v4 multi yet... just based on it's geometry, weight, etc). The V4S reminds me more of a GS (bigger, heavier, less sport configuration more stable configuration) - I don't believe it will handle anywhere close to as nimbly as an XR. Maybe the new Pikes Peak will be more comparable.
So I guess we need to redefine words. What I mean by handling is: how easy it is to make the bike lean left and right, how easy it is to control the angle while leaning left of right, how it encourages you to change the directions (try a figure 8 manoeuvre or a tight U-turn), and how quickly it does that at low speed and at high speed. I call it agility, being nimble or handling. Nowadays many bikes stay neutral in corners or behave in a well-controllable way when braking or accelerating in corners, so I'm kind of taking that out of the equasion here and not really focus on that unless there's any kind of problem (like R1250RT has a problem when riding over bumps in curves - that puts it out of balance). In my years of experience in riding many motorcycles within this category, nothing handles better than the current R1250GS, nothing is as agile or nimble. That's the way I feel and it also includes motorcycles like BMW F850GS which is perfectly balanced, significantly lighter yet it doesn't give that enjoyable feeling of what I call great handling. Take into account that two things differ the GS from all others - Telelever front suspension and low center of gravity thanks to the cylinders sticking out to the sides. If there's one point that the GS is the master of, I'd say it's this.
Maybe hes not a fast rider… owned a gsa1250 now mtsv4s at high speeds cornering handling is day and night hands down mtsv4s is better. Medium speeds to close to tell probably still mts close margin. Slow speed maneuvers gs wins
I have the 2020 XR and the Duc V4. The ergonomics are a bit getting use to with the XR seat until you finally realize all the knee dragging, ass leaning and elbow throwing just isn’t necessary for this bike. You absolutely steer the XR with your core and your core alone… it will go anywhere and stick anything you throw at it. It’s also much quicker than the V4. The V4 is a little more settled in the urban settings with the shorter gears and very comfortable. Both superb bikes!
Thanks for putting even more light onto the matter. I was looking for a confirmation that my feeling of an XR feeling quicker is not just my feeling. I'd love to check the times at some point. I did test acceleration on the previous S1000XR and Multistrada 1200 S after the facelift and indeed, S1000XR was quicker at any speed: Previous S1000XR acceleration - th-cam.com/video/y92HTugZg7o/w-d-xo.html Previous Multistrada 1200 (after the facelift) acceleration: th-cam.com/video/y_dcuyH6SDo/w-d-xo.html
Hey. What about offroad ? My 2021 XR sounds like a "tall roadster" on "easy offroads". The MS V4S, has dedicated mode and is a real trail in my opinion
50 thousand miles - not bad! Some may say that it's actually very expen... impressive to run a Ducati for so long... Just kidding. Obviously if you weren't happy with the 1200, you wouldn't have gone with the V4S now. All the best with your new Multi!
Own a MS V4 and have ridden the S1000 XR. The engines are not comparable. The MS power delivery is so much better and usable for everyday riding. Handling is comparable and both are much better than GS. Couldn’t care less about fuel economy.
I'm actually very interested in the Streetfighter V4, actually - super interested to compare it with S1000R. I was about to get it for some time this year but after 1,5 months of hunting, the dealer eventually sold the bike and hopefully I'll be able to find out how it stands.
I changed after 14 years with BMW to a 1260 Multistrada Enduro. Will never see me back. Have ridden the Multistrada for 12000 km this year and I absolutly love the bike, the power, the handling and everything. For ME the multi is a much better bike, easier to handel, much better seating position and so. My wife and I had a 10 days trip this september down to Germany, and the multi was perfect. No hurtig ass and the power in sport mode......If I had to choose one of the xr and v4, it might be the xr cus of it looks, but I heard they have a heavy fuel consumption... No im gonna stick with my old enduro for many years :-)
Oh yes, this and previous Multistradas have had pretty decent stock seats - well done by Ducati. Not too narrow, not too hard. Just fine. Now the interesting thing would be, what BMWs you're coming off of. Multi is perhaps more comfortable than an XR but many would argue that they believe that a GS would suit them better in terms of comfort than a Multistrada (suspension-wise especially). Still, what matters is that you've found your way to go and that's great! I'm happy that you like the Multi and some others sometimes tend to say that they actually would prefer the 1260 to the newest V4. So all the best with your Multi! :)
I haven't been on the Multi V4S, but some on the Multi 1260 S. I love both the previous S1000XR, but especially the new generation you reviewed. Th 1260 S was better than the XR in tight mountain hairpins due to its torquey V2, but the XR better everywhere else. The long gearing and wide powerband of the XR is amazing. The XR has great brakes and agility. Its superbike pedigree shows through better. I am skeptical of the Multi's 19" front, both for geometry and less tire choice. I don't think that anyone will take the Multi-s pretty plastic off road, ever. The XR thus seems more honest and focused as a sport-oriented sport-tourer. I would take the XR onto a racetrack before the Multi. As for technology, the XR's bluetooth integration of phone and helmet headset is brilliant. The BMW Connected app's ability to replay rides with data logger performance capabilities is very cool. Ducati isn't quite there. I am looking forward to the Multistrada V4S Pikes Peak that has a more focused 17" front and rumored performance enhancements. Finally, BMW provides a better warranty and service network, at least in the US.
People talk about touring like they're going on week long trips multiple times per year. I highly doubt that very many people are. How often are you in the saddle more than 2 hours per day? Yes, some people are making lots of those trips. For then there's the GS and Tiger 1200, I think chain drive disqualifies both of these bikes. For the rest of us it seems like the question should be is it primarily a toy or a commuter. If it's a toy, the XR seems more honest. If it's a commuter the Multi seems more comfortable. But if it's primarily a commuter, wouldn't the F900XR or Multi V2 be an even better choice.
I've noticed the word 'fun' - I can now respond to that with 3 other letters: KTM. Especially the 1290 Super Adventure R. That's really something when talking about playing with the bike.
@@VToldsMotoShow Unfortunately where I live, KTM effectively doesn’t exist unless it’s competition dirt bikes. The KTM dealer is primarily a BMW dealer, they sell Husqvarna road bikes, but only KTM dirt bikes.
Keyless gas cap is fine until it seizes shut (as does the BMW cap, tou will see YT videos on it). You then have to break out the under seat tools and remove all hex screws to remove the ring around the cap on the tank to free it. At that point, your GS/XR rider is thinking: "Why don't they make it so the key just opens the cap?"
@@VToldsMotoShow it is (un)famous BMW issue... This year I had 2022 1250gs for two weeks, it was almost brand new - 5000km. I visited gas station 3 times and two times I had problems opening that goddamn fuel cap. I called my friend (it was his bike) what the hell is wrong, am I stupid or what and he told me that it's just a common BMW problem, he tried to fix that under warranty and nothing :D After 10 minutes of trying it finally opened but i was a bit scared because it was about 200km from home.
The fact they have to compare the Multi with the sportier S1000XR and then with R1300GS shows how polyvalent and well rounded Ducati has made the Multistrada!!!
I have the XR, dad has a multi, the keyless is ridiculous on the Multi. Gas cap, and the boxxes?!, meanwhile the beamer is completely keyless and easy to use (if you chose to leave the boxes unlocked, but you have the option, unlike multi). Hes always faffing with his key or leaving it in hos box, mine stays tucked away nicely in my jacket pocket.
I own a MTS V4S and I have been careful with the breaking in, and the fuel consumption it is not as high as people think. My average fuel consumption is 6,2 l/100 km, which I think is pretty similar to the XR.
Come on, fuel consumption on two 160+ HP, over 1 liter motorcycles?! They take a lot of fuel as they encourage us to ride so quickly - that's the only factor I believe (kidding... a bit) :)
Handling and flickability is difficult to guage when you have a mag wheel on the XR and a spoke wheel on the MSV4S. Going from spokes to mags on the Duc is like night and day.
Hmmm, I actually don't think that this is the case as I've ridden R1250GS with cross-spoked wheels and also with regular wheels and wouldn't notice any visible changes in behavior. Perhaps there are some but I doubt that they are noticeable for anybody, really. However, perhaps the differences in Ducati brand are for whatever reason different and larger than in BMW.
Praca silnika V4 do 3 tyś jest dla mnie tragiczna, jakby ktoś do ocynkowanego wiadra wsypał kg śrub i nakrętek :) ale moment obr zachwyca, elastyczność również czasem dostaje zadyszki, choć XR wydaje się bardziej stabilny na zakrętach i przy prędkościach niemieckich autostrad. Nie ukrywam, że 4 gary w rzędzię brzmią wspaniale :) Fajne porównanie, czekam na kolejne. Lewa !
Thanks for your reviews. If having the money to purchase either one I would choose the S1000XR . It does have better gass mileage and would be more suitable for trips that are more than a day long.
Thank you for sharing and that's an interesting point. I wonder what a long-term fuel consumption of the two could be. They're both not necessarily known for being super fuel-efficient in the long run as I've heard. Cheers!
The XR in the grey for me. The heat from the Ducati’s engine would be too unbearable especially if you’re thinking of touring around Southern Europe although if you’re thinking of touring you can’t beat the comfort, torque, low maintenance and the room you have on a GS.
Multistrada does not act like a Ducati... S1000XR is such an amazing competitor and only a perfect bike would beat this. I believe if you ride a Hypermotard, you are going to understand what I mean by acting like a Ducati.
I bought the XR last weekend. Why? because I don't believe the hype that people are riding 1000cc bikes off-road in lieu of an actual dirtbike. So, I went with the sports oriented bike - an RR made for the longer distances.
Very nicely said about an RR made for longer distances. I do believe that this is quite correct in fact. There was a reason why BMW gives us a choice of a crazy performance-oriented engine in a more comfortable form. I hope you'll enjoy your XR as much as possible. Surely there's plenty of things to enjoy in it! Cheers!
@@VToldsMotoShow Thanks - I used your reviews for my purchase decision by the way.... I must have watched a few of videos multiple times last week!! Thanks - very helpful.
@@VToldsMotoShow I totally agree on this one. I had two S1K RR's previously (1st and 2nd gen) and I've been ridden XR for the last 3 years. My only regret is that I didn't buy XR earlier, as it performs almost equally, but is way more easier & comfortable to ride. The pannier bags are huge advantage for overnight trips as well. I feel very excited about the new Multi V4 Pikes Peak, so please review it as soon as you can lay your hands on one of them.
Multistrada is a nice bike but unfortunately it doesn't know if it is made for off road or on road,plus we want to ride a bike and not have bbq leg for lunch....if you can't ride it in the city or in traffic on a hot day it would be very annoying... Bmw xr for the win...-1 +1 sprockets and it will solve the down low lack of power but at the same time due to the long gearing in will still be good for long distances.overall i think Bmw is well above ducati on this one....
I own a 21XR. Fuel economy is 46MPG (5.1 1 L/100km). In Texas, the heat in the V4S traffic was too much. Deal breaker. The looks of MS is just better. It is. Period. The XR stock seat is uncomfortable, so I switched to a Sargent. It’s now bearable, but the seat in the MS is better. The BMW TFT looks better. The soul of the XR is the S1000 engine. It is an unbridled hurricane. I wanted the speed. The XR is faster 0-60 and it doesn’t want to slow down at any speed. The front suspension of the XR dives too much into a corner. It’s surprisingly unsettling. Takes some getting used to. The MS suspension is sublime under heavy cornering. The handlebar width seems too big for MS. I don’t want to wrestle a front end. The maintenance intervals on the MS is better. Both are great bikes. For hooligan speed, go with XR. For looks and suspension, go with MS. You can’t lose with either bike. The heat from the MS was the deal breaker for me. In a colder environment, I’d rather a V4S.
Thanks a lot for sharing - I feel that it can be very helpful to some here who are considering either bikes. I'm impressed by the fuel consumption that you're getting from the XR. Good job! And yeah, the heat may be an issue riding Multi.
The title also doesn't mention myself and yet I cannot imagine the video without the rider. No need to take it that literally! ;) GS is a benchmark in some areas and I believe that it may help set a point of reference sometimes. I've also compared both directly to a GS, so yeah, the ones interested in that, can find their way there too.
I've had some mixed experiences with rented Ducatis while BMWs kept me away from trouble. Buying new, it likely doesn't even matter that much thanks to warranty. If I were to guess on reliability, I'd put BMW way ahead of Ducati - regardless of which models we're talking about.
I have owned two BMW S1000XR, it's an outstanding bike. However, the Multistrada Pikes Peak is really the direct competitor to the XR, not the V4S. Both are dedicated road/sport bikes. I just bought a Pikes Peak less than a week ago, and have only managed about 150 miles on it so far. What I can say is it handles noticeably better than the V4S, and I think may have an edge in handling over the XR. Acceleration wise, I estimate the two are very close, but what I did notice is the Pikes Peak has more torque and pull out of the corners. Comfort wise, to me the Pikes Peak wins. The seat allows me to move around, and it has more padding. Build quality seems pretty comparable between the two, though I prefer BMW's use of torx fasteners. Electronics are both easy to use. The Pikes Peak allows for easier customization of modes, plus it has blind spot monitoring and adaptive cruise. Both are terrific upright sport bikes, you can't go wrong with either, but objectively I think the Pikes Peak is the better bike.
Thank you for sharing your experiences with both. I haven't tried the Pikes Peak and likely there may not be enough orders for dealers to get demo bikes. However, I wish that was not true and that there will be some example to try.
BMW for sure for me for two reasons. I wouldn’t go off road and the heat issue with the the Duke. However the Duke is also a beautiful bike especially in red. Also extended warranty and terms is much cheaper for the BMW.
@@VToldsMotoShow your welcome. It’s the rear cylinders and exhaust pipes. At some point, hopefully, I’m going to buy one and use it as a second bike when it’s not hot out.
The Multistrada would be awesome if it would be driven with a Drivedhaft instead of a chain for extended off road use. The chain is Just one more issue to constantly be concerned with.
I totally agree and wonder why with so many variations of a V4 Multistrada (regular, V4S, Pikes Peak etc.) they wouldn't add a "touring" or "adventure"/enduro version with a drive shaft.
Thanks for your feedback! I think that Multi's seat is really fine indeed while I also liked the XR's seat a lot - it's definitely not thin nor hard. It's just curved a lot and therefore some guys do not fit (don't have that much space to move around while on a bike). But it's got proper cushioning etc. Cheers!
I wonder whether your’re sponsored by BMW? I’ve watched your MTS-GS comparison as well. Unfortunately you don’t seem to be objective. If you really like BMW, then just ride it. I have owned 2 GS; its a perfect bike. I now have a MTS and to be honest it’s an amazing bike. May be it’s not ok to compare it with GS or XR.
You may imply whatever you want but if you're claiming that somebody is not objective, it would require an explanation of why you assume that. I understand the need of hearing that "your bike is the best in everything", but perhaps it's better to sometimes slow down. It's not even a girlfriend, and there are no machines that are the best in everything. That's why unbiased reviews matter.
@@VToldsMotoShow You are TERRIBLY biased and the problem that you can't see/ read yourself. The XR is a bad attempt to copy the Multi, with an engine that vibrates like crazy. I rode it a lot and after recently testing the V4 I can see why the price difference.
I have multi v4s since 4500km. Fuel consumption can arrive at 17.5km/l with very relaxing days. Can goes down to 12 13 km/l in the city. My average is about 14.5. (based on computer so I guess it's worst but I don't care so much). Very big difference with the 1260s that can arrive at 21 / 21.5km/l. Let me ask you a think that I cannot understand from your video when you compared this multi with the first 1200... What you want to say? I had all multistrada's so I'm curious about your point of view
Ah, if I recally correctly, I referred to the 1200 from 2015, so after the facelift that I believe was handling in a very good way - almost as well as the R1200GS from that time. My feeling from that time tells me that I was enjoying its handling more as I felt it was more nimble than the newest V4. I cannot be 100% sure of that as I rode that 1200 some time ago but my impressions of its behavior were more positive.
@@VToldsMotoShow i think we cannot make violence on the v4s. It requires her times but if you follow her she can be less nible for sure but with her general balance and neutral reaction can be very very efficient. I cannot understand if it's her limit in the 19 inch wheel or it's her benefit to be such a great bike even without the knife between your teeth that I can enjoy her maybe more of all the multi that I had. But I'm getting older and more used to the bike because now I ride it every day even on daily commute to work when with all my others I used just on weekend but now I'm torn and i want to live with my bike every day so I'm not searching just performance. I won't change that bike with no others.... I will just look further just for a lighter bikes. But that engine... I would like to have on every other bikes ever.
In the market and considering the XR, GS and V4S. Leaning towards the XR (I live in an area where there are some great roads) but almost everyone else who has reviewed the bike talks about how anemic the low end torque is on this bike. Not great for tight hairpins. Thoughts?
Perhaps not the most exciting below 80 km/h so the question is how tight those roads are. If they're more about slow speed turns, then it may take away some of the XR's confidence. However, you perhaps could forget about changing gears forever then. Stick to the 2nd and you're good from 50 km/h up :)
Witam. Czy jest szansa na porównanie Multistrady 950 z czym kolwiek 😅. Strasznie mało po Polskiej stronie filmów z tym motocyklem. Myśle, że bez wachania można go zestawić z dl1050/ bmw f900xr / gs1200.
Był taki plan i nawet próba wczoraj, ale motocykl jednego z dealerów jest na tyle oblegany, że od półtora miesiąca nie trafiłem odpowiedniego czasu na wypożyczenie go. To raczej dobrze o nim świadczy :). Zatem Multistradę 950 odpuszczam, a że następca został już ogłoszony w formie Multistrady V2, to w następnym sezonie istotnie będę chciał się wstrzelić i pojeździć.
@@VToldsMotoShow dziękuje za odpowiedź. Ja takowy posiadam ale po przygodach z xt660r/gs1200olejak/nc750x wybór padł na multi (nie s) chodź prawie kupiłem afre 1000, Aczkolwiek multi miało to coś. Obecnie kusi mnie afra 1100 I GS1200LC, 1250 niestety za drogi. Kolega z którym śmigam posiada ADV I jest genialny lecz na moje 172 cm za duży.
S1000xr 2020 z przebiegiem 10tys/mil średnie spalanie w zależności jak bardzo się ciśnie między 6a7 litrów , autostradowa jazda między 5a6 litrów . Co do jazdy gdy jest ciepło XR grzeje i to bardzo !! Tak ale tylko i wyłącznie w prawa kostkę powinien być wydech lepiej osłonięty . A ogółem niesamowita maszyna pozdrawiam
Dzięki! Wygląda to całkiem obiecująco i już widzę na podstawie komentarzy, że potrafi się to trochę różnić w zależności od stylu jazdy oraz miejsca. Dzięki też za uwagę o grzanie przez wydech. Mi to akurat nie dokuczyło, ale to również wymaga sprawdzenia w różnych warunkach.
@@VToldsMotoShow Tak wydech przy ciepłych dniach 20+ strasznie grzeje odczuwałem to nawet pod koniec sierpnia jadąc autostrada w Niemczech przez kilka godzin . A gdy jest bardzo ciepło jest to nie do wytrzymania (27+)
Hi. Which of the 2 bikes you recommend more for the very hilly (400-500m high), multiple serpentine terrain, as I can not make my mind up? I like the XR more but not to sure about its suitability for longish, slower hills..Thanks
It seems interesting thanks to additional power but the current S1000XR is already powerful. I'm not sure if they will be able to improve its handling though. It could be a bestseller if it was feeling lighter and more nimble.
It's a shame they don't install it in top versions that we already pay a lot additionally. Even if it's available, I don't like such a strategy of squeezing every single coin. As seen in this other example, others give you a lot without trying to trick anybody too much.
I really think you tested a faulty mtsv4s. Heat handling i dont know what else i use to like your videos until you become a gs bias. We understand it personal preference but need to give credit where credit is due… maybe of you say comfort and softer suspension gs would win and alow off roading. But the rest hands down. Btw I own both bikes…
Bias would be a preference without a reason. I justify my preferences in certain areas. I enjoy the way R1250GS handles and believe it's the best in that area (for my taste). As for the Multi, it was a dealer's test motorcycle - pretty fresh. The heat issue is known and I bet that this is why Ducati tried to address it with the cylinder deactivation system. Otherwise why would they take any action? As a precaution? Maybe but maybe not. And hey, having two out of these - you're a fortunate one! Very nice.
I go for the XR...I doubt I would use a radar on a motorcycle, hardly use it on a sports car...and the looks are better. Only if the would put a drive shaft.
Thanks for the feedback! Drive shaft could be interesting in an XR. Now after the launch of the newest BMW K1600 series today/yesterday, I believe that for super long touring in full comfort and with plenty of power, it's that one that should be the choice according to BMW. Otherwise they'd like us to go for a GS or an RT. And XR for having super fast fun in comfort, but not for that very long.
@@VToldsMotoShow For very long....definitely the GSA, the K1600 might be on the heavy side if I decide to use a gravel road...and wouldn't want to mess all that fairing
I've also heard that the Multi isn't very efficient. But in the end of the day, buying some of the top of the line bikes out there, I wonder for how many of us that matters so much. Still, I'd also appreciate it for a few reasons, one being not having to visit petrol stations as often.
Absolutely it would be my number 1 choice for city riding at the moment, no question about it. Maybe not in some English town with super narrow streets but in most large cities - for sure. If agility, handling, brakes and ease of managing it were a priority. I'd bet that most GS riders who are either some kinds of managers or business owners, manage or own businesses in the cities and many of them live there too, so despite not having stats on "how many riders ride a certain bike in the city and how many outside", I wouldn't cross this option out.
@@VToldsMotoShow I visit Melbourne CBD regularly and GS is a *very* rare sight. I ride XR which is much lighter and nimbler bike and even that is almost too much - if I had to commute daily I'll definitely go with CB500X. I understand this is your opinion and it's as valid as mine. I'm only point out that statistics wise most of people seem to think otherwise, at least judging by looking at parking lots of Australia two largest cities
Multistrada V4S my average fuel consumption: In city use: 8.5 - 9L / 100km Long travel: around 6.5L / 100km Those who live in countries that use weird outdated units of measurement like US and UK can convert the values using google. 👍
Huge thanks for providing this. Luckily this is exactly how I understand fuel consumption too ;). For the sake of some poor souls who are cursed with miles :D 26-27,5 MPG in the city & 36 MPG outside. Thanks again!
I’ve choose the Multistrada because of S1000 engine has to be heavy valve clearence maintanence every 20000km vs 60000km on V4 Grandtourismo engine. Low rpm tourque gives more practicality incity traffic. As I sensed Multistrada is really quick and agile on the twisted curves.
Quite ridicolous review full of clichés. In terms of Technologie, at example, the last Multi V4 is on another level. Front and rear radar that prevent crashes and smart navi system that is almost like an auto pilot or blind spot radar. Things that could safe your lite and BMW doesn't have at all. That things didn't mentioned at all. 4 cilinder bmw is lacking torque at low revs and really less usable in the most of normal situation.
The V4 with the 19’ front wheel and the XR are different bikes meant for different uses and comparing them is wrong, in my opinion. Having said that, air protection in the V4 is excellent, full stop. The V4 is much more comfortable. Ducati’s quality, even if worst than that of the 1260, is for sure better than BMW XR’s: plastics are better and BMW has not full sticker protection, for example. Most probably the XR has better performances than the V4, but comparing two bikes performances without instruments is meaningless. You can do better.
I haven't noticed anything worrying in this or the previous generation. In the case of the first XR I've put it through its paces on a hot day in the city and I don't remember paying attention to it getting too hot. I don't think that it's an issue in the cases of any of the XR generations.
To expensive, to complicated, to expensive to fix, replacement parts are expensive and hard to find. Limited accessories availability. Terrible dealer network. HORRIBLE resale value. Designed and marketed to wealthy people with more money than brains. By a Honda.
Yeah, I think that this is a valid point. I wouldn't say that it's in the adventure category simply because it cannot go off the road while the Multistrada for example easily can. Agreed!
Is there any cure for the old-school tractor seat on the XR? I have an aging 1200 Multistrada and thought the XR would be a good option but 3 seconds in that seat were all I needed to know.
Haha, nice one - of course there are aftermarket seats or companies that modify original seats. No big deal I'd say. I found the seat fine and I'm picky but I do realize that there's something off with it as many riders seem not to enjoy it.
@@VToldsMotoShow thanks. I took a look and it seemed the way the seat pan was recessed in to the tail piece would make it difficult for anyone to make a non-tractor seat for it. Hopefully they do. I'd love to try one knowing that a reasonable seat was available.
I think I get what you mean by a “tractor seat”, it’s funny by the way. Still, it can be made higher to flatten it and also to just add extra cushioning everywhere on top. Depending on what you like, there are for sure ways to achieve that. First though I’d take a look at what’s available from known companies as they might’ve found a solution to that already.
Enjoy your review but I differ a little be from you , I have both the Gs and Xr 2021 and even i like more the look of the gs and i think if i have to choose one of the i keep the Gs for been a bike where i can use more in all kind of road (even off road) . I must admit that the Xr is more enjoyable bike to ride also more accurate , also more dangerous because it tempted to go fast for the sportier feel , it only miss a little be of torque in low range like the gs with more torque in low range the xr is a perfect bike to enjoy more
First, I believe and appreciate you are doing your best to be objective with these comparisons - and of course every rider is different. I think it’s also important that bikes of the same model sometimes leave the factory with “differences” between them, and that all bikes break in over time and in general IMHO most bikes “feel” better after you’ve put the first couple/few thousand miles in on them. With that background context in mind, something you’ve said repeatedly about the MTS V4s in both BMW comparisons and your “honest review” doesn’t strike me as quite right. You’ve repeatedly said the MTS noticeably shakes and stutters at 4k RPM and lower. While I believe that is what you’ve honestly experienced given how often you say it - I never recall experiencing that shaking and stuttering much above 3K RPM on my own MTS V4s. Irrespective of your reviews, that “shaking/stuttering” is something I immediately noticed when I first bought my MTS V4s because I had previously owned the MTS 950s and that used to stutter up to around 3.5k RPM. Basically, I remember thinking how much smoother the V4s was at the lower RPMs around 3.5k. I went out for a 90 mile ride in the mountains this morning and with your reviews in mind played with the V4s at various speeds and gears and frankly couldn’t replicate any shaking or stuttering anywhere near 4k RPM. If anything the torque at 4k rpm in 6th was admittedly anemic - but zero hint of any shaking or stuttering even down at 3.5k rpm with some throttle (i.e., I wasn't coasting). I’m just wondering if maybe its the specific bike you’re testing, or maybe the engine isn’t broken in? I don’t know - I’m just saying your observation of the MTS having “smoothness issues” at or below 4k rpm doesn’t jibe with my own experience and wondering where the disconnect might be. All that said, thanks for the reviews - I genuinely enjoy them.
I would agree. There is chatter with the V4 at very low revs. I’ve got about 3500 miles and no judder or shaking above 12-15k Revs. Smooth as silk. And Jesus it pulls like a train forever. Got enough to burn your leg? Was he wearing shorts.
@@colinlofthouse4597 Yeah, I haven’t ever noticed any heat issues either. Then again, I have to confess I’m blessed to live in the near-perfect year round climate of California’s central coast - if anything I have to flip the seat heater on a few times a week year-round. If I’m inland where it is hotter, I’m usually on a freeway or similar and traveling at speeds where heat isn’t an issue.
@@toddfain2845 Thanks. My intent was to be bike-specific relative to the MTS V4s. On 3 review videos now he’s stated a drawback of the V4s is that it starts shaking/shuddering at RPMs of 4,000. I own one with about 4k miles on it and I’ve never once had it shake/shudder anywhere near 4k RPM. It’s always smooth as butter above 2500 RPM in my experience, and not bad below that, so I was just questioning why he might be experiencing such issues at 4k rpm on the V4s. To the extent he is, I’m speculating it may be specific to the individual bike he’s testing, like his specific test bike has something wrong with it, not so much the bike model. Maybe we're saying the same thing.
I still don't understand all of the discussion about the heat on the left side of the Ducati multi-Strada. I ride my multi-Strada V4 S in South Florida which is unbearably hot and still do not have any issues. I primarily wear jeans and still have yet to feel any heat like I have on different cruisers. After almost 14,000 miles on this bike in eight months, I have yet to experience any uncomfortable heat on either side.
Same here. 12k miles in south Louisiana on my MS V4 and I don’t have a heat issue. I think its less heat than my triumph tiger 800 it replaced.
Dont evden ask the heat on Tiger 1215 Desert Edition
the Multi has cylinder deactivation which should help a lot in stop and go traffic... and the Multi's are all comfortable when moving. I think they're assuming the V4S will be just like the Pani (which is hot as blazes unless you're going fast enough to generate sufficient airflow)... but the Desmo motor is a different beast from the Multi powerplant.
I'm not sure where exactly it is coming from but I realized the issue after just a few kilometers of riding and after stopping a few times a the traffic lights. There were a few harder accelerations in the meantime but also with a speed gain ovbviously. I came to realize that it's 'burning' my leg when I was slowing down at one of those traffic lights. Never heard of it before and I wasn't reading/listening to any reviews before I sat on the V4 myself and rode it. Reading about your experiences with the bike, it might be interesting if you'd make a test and do 3-4 hard accelerations from very low speeds to around 160 km/h (100 mph) and then come to a stop. This would be an easy way to find out. Nobody rides like this every time, but some like to come close to this style of riding... ekhm... Nevertheless, this should put the bike through its paces and warm it up.
If you are just puttering around and shifting up as per the speed then there is no heat issue. If you are maxing out RPMs in each gear, trying to stay in the perfect powerband, it does get hot. Forget about down south, I am talking about Seattle.
I rode both and just bought the 2021XR. I'm coming off a more traditional sport touring (C14) so the weight difference alone is amazing. Still on my honeymoon at 1245mi.
Good luck with your new bike then!
I purchased a new XR this year. Looked hard at the Multistrada, but knew within the first 5 miles of the test ride I'd probably be going with the XR. Test rode it on a 87° day and could really feel the heat, but at the end of the day, the fact that there's 2 BMW dealers within 50 miles of my house, and the nearest Ducati dealer is over 125 miles away made the decision much easier. After 6 months with the XR I've never looked back. I never go off road and it's like a much more comfortable sport bike.
Hey, I'm very happy that you're enjoying your XR and are happy with the decision. Thanks for sharing your point of view as it may be helpful to many of us. I've been reading about the distance to the nearest dealer being quite often a deciding factor or even a deal breaker for some. Made my think about it a lot actually. Thanks again and all the best with your XR!
Local (ish) dealer support is critical. It’s not mentioned often but I guess that wouldn’t come into a bike review anyway.
Lost me at “GS has better handling than XR”. Owned both, the XR is way more nibble
This guy is really bias towards the GS.
I own both bikes (GS1250 and a MTS V4S), and Before buying the duc I drive am XR, and there is no way a GS can keep up with na XR or a MST v4.
The GS has an impressive stability during corners, but is not as nimble as the other two while changing direction
So I think many people confuse low speed handling with "handling". The GS is very nice at low speed maneuvers... but that does NOT necessarily translate into handling at speed (well it's not a bad handling bike... but it feels its weight at speed MUCH more than when puttering). As an example, a buddy and I rented bikes in Germany last trip - I got a R1200GS and he got an F800GT. We spent a weekend riding on the B500... and I enjoyed the GS on that road, it was fun and competent. THEN we switched bikes and I got to ride the GT... and it was better at everything except straight line acceleration, it was absolutely the better bike for the twisty tarmac of the B500. IMO the V2 Multi would be even better than the F800GT, the XR even better, the V4 multi would likely be closer to the GS (but I've not ridden the v4 multi yet... just based on it's geometry, weight, etc). The V4S reminds me more of a GS (bigger, heavier, less sport configuration more stable configuration) - I don't believe it will handle anywhere close to as nimbly as an XR. Maybe the new Pikes Peak will be more comparable.
So I guess we need to redefine words. What I mean by handling is: how easy it is to make the bike lean left and right, how easy it is to control the angle while leaning left of right, how it encourages you to change the directions (try a figure 8 manoeuvre or a tight U-turn), and how quickly it does that at low speed and at high speed. I call it agility, being nimble or handling. Nowadays many bikes stay neutral in corners or behave in a well-controllable way when braking or accelerating in corners, so I'm kind of taking that out of the equasion here and not really focus on that unless there's any kind of problem (like R1250RT has a problem when riding over bumps in curves - that puts it out of balance). In my years of experience in riding many motorcycles within this category, nothing handles better than the current R1250GS, nothing is as agile or nimble. That's the way I feel and it also includes motorcycles like BMW F850GS which is perfectly balanced, significantly lighter yet it doesn't give that enjoyable feeling of what I call great handling. Take into account that two things differ the GS from all others - Telelever front suspension and low center of gravity thanks to the cylinders sticking out to the sides. If there's one point that the GS is the master of, I'd say it's this.
Maybe hes not a fast rider… owned a gsa1250 now mtsv4s at high speeds cornering handling is day and night hands down mtsv4s is better. Medium speeds to close to tell probably still mts close margin. Slow speed maneuvers gs wins
true.... the XR has a much!!!!! better handling than the GS. Owned both at the same tim
I have the 2020 XR and the Duc V4. The ergonomics are a bit getting use to with the XR seat until you finally realize all the knee dragging, ass leaning and elbow throwing just isn’t necessary for this bike. You absolutely steer the XR with your core and your core alone… it will go anywhere and stick anything you throw at it. It’s also much quicker than the V4. The V4 is a little more settled in the urban settings with the shorter gears and very comfortable. Both superb bikes!
Thanks for putting even more light onto the matter. I was looking for a confirmation that my feeling of an XR feeling quicker is not just my feeling. I'd love to check the times at some point. I did test acceleration on the previous S1000XR and Multistrada 1200 S after the facelift and indeed, S1000XR was quicker at any speed:
Previous S1000XR acceleration - th-cam.com/video/y92HTugZg7o/w-d-xo.html
Previous Multistrada 1200 (after the facelift) acceleration: th-cam.com/video/y_dcuyH6SDo/w-d-xo.html
I enjoyed that video…. Keep the rubber side down!
Hey. What about offroad ? My 2021 XR sounds like a "tall roadster" on "easy offroads". The MS V4S, has dedicated mode and is a real trail in my opinion
MTS V4S for me. Traded in my MTS 1200S Touring with over 50,000 miles and bought a V4S Travel+Radar. Incredible machine and nicely designed.
50 thousand miles - not bad! Some may say that it's actually very expen... impressive to run a Ducati for so long... Just kidding. Obviously if you weren't happy with the 1200, you wouldn't have gone with the V4S now. All the best with your new Multi!
XR 2021 for me, but adaptative cruise control on MS V4S must be very pleasant and may me change for Ducati ✌️
Can’t lose with any of these bikes! Great video!
Own a MS V4 and have ridden the S1000 XR. The engines are not comparable. The MS power delivery is so much better and usable for everyday riding. Handling is comparable and both are much better than GS. Couldn’t care less about fuel economy.
Oh dear, that's basically the opposite of how I would describe the area of handling. I totally agree on the fuel consumption point.
S1000XR for me. Awesome machine
One for the XR here then!
Please compare again after the Multi V4 Pikes Peak has launched on Oct 28
Oh, I'd definitely love to!
WHAT! I guess beauty is truly in the eye of the behold! The BMW looks rank!
I actually had to google that term, haha.
Multistrada V2 and V4 sweeps gs 1250. Streetfighter V4 sweeps xr 1000. Ducati is another world
I don't need a fairing to sweep it. melons with watermelons
I'm actually very interested in the Streetfighter V4, actually - super interested to compare it with S1000R. I was about to get it for some time this year but after 1,5 months of hunting, the dealer eventually sold the bike and hopefully I'll be able to find out how it stands.
I changed after 14 years with BMW to a 1260 Multistrada Enduro. Will never see me back. Have ridden the Multistrada for 12000 km this year and I absolutly love the bike, the power, the handling and everything. For ME the multi is a much better bike, easier to handel, much better seating position and so. My wife and I had a 10 days trip this september down to Germany, and the multi was perfect. No hurtig ass and the power in sport mode......If I had to choose one of the xr and v4, it might be the xr cus of it looks, but I heard they have a heavy fuel consumption... No im gonna stick with my old enduro for many years :-)
Oh yes, this and previous Multistradas have had pretty decent stock seats - well done by Ducati. Not too narrow, not too hard. Just fine. Now the interesting thing would be, what BMWs you're coming off of. Multi is perhaps more comfortable than an XR but many would argue that they believe that a GS would suit them better in terms of comfort than a Multistrada (suspension-wise especially). Still, what matters is that you've found your way to go and that's great! I'm happy that you like the Multi and some others sometimes tend to say that they actually would prefer the 1260 to the newest V4. So all the best with your Multi! :)
@@VToldsMotoShow I had 7 GS and GSA s :-)
I haven't been on the Multi V4S, but some on the Multi 1260 S. I love both the previous S1000XR, but especially the new generation you reviewed.
Th 1260 S was better than the XR in tight mountain hairpins due to its torquey V2, but the XR better everywhere else. The long gearing and wide powerband of the XR is amazing. The XR has great brakes and agility. Its superbike pedigree shows through better.
I am skeptical of the Multi's 19" front, both for geometry and less tire choice. I don't think that anyone will take the Multi-s pretty plastic off road, ever. The XR thus seems more honest and focused as a sport-oriented sport-tourer. I would take the XR onto a racetrack before the Multi.
As for technology, the XR's bluetooth integration of phone and helmet headset is brilliant. The BMW Connected app's ability to replay rides with data logger performance capabilities is very cool. Ducati isn't quite there.
I am looking forward to the Multistrada V4S Pikes Peak that has a more focused 17" front and rumored performance enhancements.
Finally, BMW provides a better warranty and service network, at least in the US.
People talk about touring like they're going on week long trips multiple times per year. I highly doubt that very many people are. How often are you in the saddle more than 2 hours per day?
Yes, some people are making lots of those trips. For then there's the GS and Tiger 1200, I think chain drive disqualifies both of these bikes.
For the rest of us it seems like the question should be is it primarily a toy or a commuter. If it's a toy, the XR seems more honest. If it's a commuter the Multi seems more comfortable. But if it's primarily a commuter, wouldn't the F900XR or Multi V2 be an even better choice.
I've noticed the word 'fun' - I can now respond to that with 3 other letters: KTM. Especially the 1290 Super Adventure R. That's really something when talking about playing with the bike.
@@VToldsMotoShow Unfortunately where I live, KTM effectively doesn’t exist unless it’s competition dirt bikes. The KTM dealer is primarily a BMW dealer, they sell Husqvarna road bikes, but only KTM dirt bikes.
Keyless gas cap is fine until it seizes shut (as does the BMW cap, tou will see YT videos on it). You then have to break out the under seat tools and remove all hex screws to remove the ring around the cap on the tank to free it. At that point, your GS/XR rider is thinking: "Why don't they make it so the key just opens the cap?"
I haven't heard about this issue but sounds bad. Makes sense to know how to fix it upfront but yes, some emergency release could be added if possible.
agree. mine did this. will never have another keyless
@@roryhumphrey280 fortunastely my Ketless V2S still needs the key for the fuel cap
@@VToldsMotoShow it is (un)famous BMW issue... This year I had 2022 1250gs for two weeks, it was almost brand new - 5000km. I visited gas station 3 times and two times I had problems opening that goddamn fuel cap. I called my friend (it was his bike) what the hell is wrong, am I stupid or what and he told me that it's just a common BMW problem, he tried to fix that under warranty and nothing :D After 10 minutes of trying it finally opened but i was a bit scared because it was about 200km from home.
The fact they have to compare the Multi with the sportier S1000XR and then with R1300GS shows how polyvalent and well rounded Ducati has made the Multistrada!!!
Maybe you can compare the maintenance costs after 40,miles
Oh, I wish I could but likely only a specific dealer can do that as even labor costs differ between the locations etc.
I have the XR, dad has a multi, the keyless is ridiculous on the Multi. Gas cap, and the boxxes?!, meanwhile the beamer is completely keyless and easy to use (if you chose to leave the boxes unlocked, but you have the option, unlike multi). Hes always faffing with his key or leaving it in hos box, mine stays tucked away nicely in my jacket pocket.
For me xr anytime of the day for it's overall cheaper running cost in my country. Have heard horrendous fuel efficiency on the v4.
I own a MTS V4S and I have been careful with the breaking in, and the fuel consumption it is not as high as people think. My average fuel consumption is 6,2 l/100 km, which I think is pretty similar to the XR.
Come on, fuel consumption on two 160+ HP, over 1 liter motorcycles?! They take a lot of fuel as they encourage us to ride so quickly - that's the only factor I believe (kidding... a bit) :)
Handling and flickability is difficult to guage when you have a mag wheel on the XR and a spoke wheel on the MSV4S. Going from spokes to mags on the Duc is like night and day.
Hmmm, I actually don't think that this is the case as I've ridden R1250GS with cross-spoked wheels and also with regular wheels and wouldn't notice any visible changes in behavior. Perhaps there are some but I doubt that they are noticeable for anybody, really. However, perhaps the differences in Ducati brand are for whatever reason different and larger than in BMW.
Praca silnika V4 do 3 tyś jest dla mnie tragiczna, jakby ktoś do ocynkowanego wiadra wsypał kg śrub i nakrętek :) ale moment obr zachwyca, elastyczność również czasem dostaje zadyszki, choć XR wydaje się bardziej stabilny na zakrętach i przy prędkościach niemieckich autostrad. Nie ukrywam, że 4 gary w rzędzię brzmią wspaniale :) Fajne porównanie, czekam na kolejne. Lewa !
Pięknie powiedziane o wiadrze ;). I potwierdzam w dużej mierze te obserwacje! Dzięki!
Thanks for your reviews. If having the money to purchase either one I would choose the S1000XR . It does have better gass mileage and would be more suitable for trips that are more than a day long.
Thank you for sharing and that's an interesting point. I wonder what a long-term fuel consumption of the two could be. They're both not necessarily known for being super fuel-efficient in the long run as I've heard. Cheers!
The XR in the grey for me. The heat from the Ducati’s engine would be too unbearable especially if you’re thinking of touring around Southern Europe although if you’re thinking of touring you can’t beat the comfort, torque, low maintenance and the room you have on a GS.
The last part was actually surprising after reading the first words - nicely done with that plot twist! Anyway, thanks for sharing your perspective.
Good job! Now that the Suzuki 1000GX has joined the competition maybe you should make another video compared the three
Thanks! I’m thinking that for a comparison with the new Suzuki, instead of a Multistrada there should be Kawasaki Versys 1000.
@@VToldsMotoShow Awesome! Look forward to it!
@@VToldsMotoShow I heard the Suzuki electronic suspension is really really great and I am very interested to know how you feel like it!
Multistrada does not act like a Ducati... S1000XR is such an amazing competitor and only a perfect bike would beat this. I believe if you ride a Hypermotard, you are going to understand what I mean by acting like a Ducati.
I bought the XR last weekend. Why? because I don't believe the hype that people are riding 1000cc bikes off-road in lieu of an actual dirtbike. So, I went with the sports oriented bike - an RR made for the longer distances.
Very nicely said about an RR made for longer distances. I do believe that this is quite correct in fact. There was a reason why BMW gives us a choice of a crazy performance-oriented engine in a more comfortable form. I hope you'll enjoy your XR as much as possible. Surely there's plenty of things to enjoy in it! Cheers!
@@VToldsMotoShow Thanks - I used your reviews for my purchase decision by the way.... I must have watched a few of videos multiple times last week!! Thanks - very helpful.
@@VToldsMotoShow I totally agree on this one. I had two S1K RR's previously (1st and 2nd gen) and I've been ridden XR for the last 3 years. My only regret is that I didn't buy XR earlier, as it performs almost equally, but is way more easier & comfortable to ride. The pannier bags are huge advantage for overnight trips as well. I feel very excited about the new Multi V4 Pikes Peak, so please review it as soon as you can lay your hands on one of them.
Multistrada is a nice bike but unfortunately it doesn't know if it is made for off road or on road,plus we want to ride a bike and not have bbq leg for lunch....if you can't ride it in the city or in traffic on a hot day it would be very annoying...
Bmw xr for the win...-1 +1 sprockets and it will solve the down low lack of power but at the same time due to the long gearing in will still be good for long distances.overall i think Bmw is well above ducati on this one....
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I've got to admit that you got me laughing at the BBQ leg - that was brilliant!
Thank you for the great review.
I'm glad you liked it, thanks!
We are waiting the new KTM 1290 sas 2021 vs Ducati v4s
I really think Ducati looks better. BMW nice but Ducati has it going on in looks department.
I own a 21XR. Fuel economy is 46MPG (5.1 1 L/100km). In Texas, the heat in the V4S traffic was too much. Deal breaker. The looks of MS is just better. It is. Period. The XR stock seat is uncomfortable, so I switched to a Sargent. It’s now bearable, but the seat in the MS is better. The BMW TFT looks better. The soul of the XR is the S1000 engine. It is an unbridled hurricane. I wanted the speed. The XR is faster 0-60 and it doesn’t want to slow down at any speed. The front suspension of the XR dives too much into a corner. It’s surprisingly unsettling. Takes some getting used to. The MS suspension is sublime under heavy cornering. The handlebar width seems too big for MS. I don’t want to wrestle a front end. The maintenance intervals on the MS is better. Both are great bikes. For hooligan speed, go with XR. For looks and suspension, go with MS. You can’t lose with either bike. The heat from the MS was the deal breaker for me. In a colder environment, I’d rather a V4S.
Thanks a lot for sharing - I feel that it can be very helpful to some here who are considering either bikes. I'm impressed by the fuel consumption that you're getting from the XR. Good job! And yeah, the heat may be an issue riding Multi.
Sir the title says s1000xr vs multi v4... No need to talk about the GS 😄
The title also doesn't mention myself and yet I cannot imagine the video without the rider. No need to take it that literally! ;) GS is a benchmark in some areas and I believe that it may help set a point of reference sometimes. I've also compared both directly to a GS, so yeah, the ones interested in that, can find their way there too.
What about reliability? Never owned either brand. But this is the type of bike I’m looking for. I’m leaning towards a XR…
I've had some mixed experiences with rented Ducatis while BMWs kept me away from trouble. Buying new, it likely doesn't even matter that much thanks to warranty. If I were to guess on reliability, I'd put BMW way ahead of Ducati - regardless of which models we're talking about.
I have owned two BMW S1000XR, it's an outstanding bike. However, the Multistrada Pikes Peak is really the direct competitor to the XR, not the V4S. Both are dedicated road/sport bikes. I just bought a Pikes Peak less than a week ago, and have only managed about 150 miles on it so far. What I can say is it handles noticeably better than the V4S, and I think may have an edge in handling over the XR. Acceleration wise, I estimate the two are very close, but what I did notice is the Pikes Peak has more torque and pull out of the corners. Comfort wise, to me the Pikes Peak wins. The seat allows me to move around, and it has more padding. Build quality seems pretty comparable between the two, though I prefer BMW's use of torx fasteners. Electronics are both easy to use. The Pikes Peak allows for easier customization of modes, plus it has blind spot monitoring and adaptive cruise. Both are terrific upright sport bikes, you can't go wrong with either, but objectively I think the Pikes Peak is the better bike.
Thank you for sharing your experiences with both. I haven't tried the Pikes Peak and likely there may not be enough orders for dealers to get demo bikes. However, I wish that was not true and that there will be some example to try.
Most people with adventurer motorcycles hardly ever go off road.
Yeah, I believe that I can confirm that. Just like with SUV drivers which I can confirm personally too.
BMW for sure for me for two reasons. I wouldn’t go off road and the heat issue with the the Duke. However the Duke is also a beautiful bike especially in red. Also extended warranty and terms is much cheaper for the BMW.
Thanks for sharing that. I wonder what's with the heat issue of the Duke.
@@VToldsMotoShow your welcome. It’s the rear cylinders and exhaust pipes. At some point, hopefully, I’m going to buy one and use it as a second bike when it’s not hot out.
The Multistrada would be awesome if it would be driven with a Drivedhaft instead of a chain for extended off road use. The chain is Just one more issue to constantly be concerned with.
I totally agree and wonder why with so many variations of a V4 Multistrada (regular, V4S, Pikes Peak etc.) they wouldn't add a "touring" or "adventure"/enduro version with a drive shaft.
It seems that Multistrada finally got comfy seat. Does XR has a seat at all, or there is just a sticker? Great review!
Thanks for your feedback! I think that Multi's seat is really fine indeed while I also liked the XR's seat a lot - it's definitely not thin nor hard. It's just curved a lot and therefore some guys do not fit (don't have that much space to move around while on a bike). But it's got proper cushioning etc. Cheers!
I wonder whether your’re sponsored by BMW? I’ve watched your MTS-GS comparison as well. Unfortunately you don’t seem to be objective. If you really like BMW, then just ride it. I have owned 2 GS; its a perfect bike. I now have a MTS and to be honest it’s an amazing bike. May be it’s not ok to compare it with GS or XR.
You may imply whatever you want but if you're claiming that somebody is not objective, it would require an explanation of why you assume that. I understand the need of hearing that "your bike is the best in everything", but perhaps it's better to sometimes slow down. It's not even a girlfriend, and there are no machines that are the best in everything. That's why unbiased reviews matter.
@@VToldsMotoShow You are TERRIBLY biased and the problem that you can't see/ read yourself. The XR is a bad attempt to copy the Multi, with an engine that vibrates like crazy. I rode it a lot and after recently testing the V4 I can see why the price difference.
I have multi v4s since 4500km. Fuel consumption can arrive at 17.5km/l with very relaxing days. Can goes down to 12 13 km/l in the city. My average is about 14.5. (based on computer so I guess it's worst but I don't care so much). Very big difference with the 1260s that can arrive at 21 / 21.5km/l. Let me ask you a think that I cannot understand from your video when you compared this multi with the first 1200... What you want to say? I had all multistrada's so I'm curious about your point of view
Ah, if I recally correctly, I referred to the 1200 from 2015, so after the facelift that I believe was handling in a very good way - almost as well as the R1200GS from that time. My feeling from that time tells me that I was enjoying its handling more as I felt it was more nimble than the newest V4. I cannot be 100% sure of that as I rode that 1200 some time ago but my impressions of its behavior were more positive.
@@VToldsMotoShow i think we cannot make violence on the v4s. It requires her times but if you follow her she can be less nible for sure but with her general balance and neutral reaction can be very very efficient. I cannot understand if it's her limit in the 19 inch wheel or it's her benefit to be such a great bike even without the knife between your teeth that I can enjoy her maybe more of all the multi that I had. But I'm getting older and more used to the bike because now I ride it every day even on daily commute to work when with all my others I used just on weekend but now I'm torn and i want to live with my bike every day so I'm not searching just performance. I won't change that bike with no others.... I will just look further just for a lighter bikes. But that engine... I would like to have on every other bikes ever.
Awesome content as usual
Thanks and I'm glad that you like it!
I’m just so confused about wich bike is just suitable to me, the GS1250 or the S1000xr????
There happens to be such a topic right here if it helps: th-cam.com/video/AkorTVWn_Ko/w-d-xo.html
In the market and considering the XR, GS and V4S. Leaning towards the XR (I live in an area where there are some great roads) but almost everyone else who has reviewed the bike talks about how anemic the low end torque is on this bike. Not great for tight hairpins. Thoughts?
Perhaps not the most exciting below 80 km/h so the question is how tight those roads are. If they're more about slow speed turns, then it may take away some of the XR's confidence. However, you perhaps could forget about changing gears forever then. Stick to the 2nd and you're good from 50 km/h up :)
Witam. Czy jest szansa na porównanie Multistrady 950 z czym kolwiek 😅. Strasznie mało po Polskiej stronie filmów z tym motocyklem. Myśle, że bez wachania można go zestawić z dl1050/ bmw f900xr / gs1200.
Był taki plan i nawet próba wczoraj, ale motocykl jednego z dealerów jest na tyle oblegany, że od półtora miesiąca nie trafiłem odpowiedniego czasu na wypożyczenie go. To raczej dobrze o nim świadczy :). Zatem Multistradę 950 odpuszczam, a że następca został już ogłoszony w formie Multistrady V2, to w następnym sezonie istotnie będę chciał się wstrzelić i pojeździć.
@@VToldsMotoShow dziękuje za odpowiedź. Ja takowy posiadam ale po przygodach z xt660r/gs1200olejak/nc750x wybór padł na multi (nie s) chodź prawie kupiłem afre 1000, Aczkolwiek multi miało to coś. Obecnie kusi mnie afra 1100 I GS1200LC, 1250 niestety za drogi. Kolega z którym śmigam posiada ADV I jest genialny lecz na moje 172 cm za duży.
vibration in the previous gen XR, the latest gen has resolved this?
You chose the Beamer after gutting it throughout the video???
Really bro!
Not a biased review at all 🤷♂
S1000xr 2020 z przebiegiem 10tys/mil średnie spalanie w zależności jak bardzo się ciśnie między 6a7 litrów , autostradowa jazda między 5a6 litrów . Co do jazdy gdy jest ciepło XR grzeje i to bardzo !! Tak ale tylko i wyłącznie w prawa kostkę powinien być wydech lepiej osłonięty . A ogółem niesamowita maszyna pozdrawiam
Dzięki! Wygląda to całkiem obiecująco i już widzę na podstawie komentarzy, że potrafi się to trochę różnić w zależności od stylu jazdy oraz miejsca. Dzięki też za uwagę o grzanie przez wydech. Mi to akurat nie dokuczyło, ale to również wymaga sprawdzenia w różnych warunkach.
@@VToldsMotoShow Tak wydech przy ciepłych dniach 20+ strasznie grzeje odczuwałem to nawet pod koniec sierpnia jadąc autostrada w Niemczech przez kilka godzin . A gdy jest bardzo ciepło jest to nie do wytrzymania (27+)
Hi. Which of the 2 bikes you recommend more for the very hilly (400-500m high), multiple serpentine terrain, as I can not make my mind up? I like the XR more but not to sure about its suitability for longish, slower hills..Thanks
V4S is better for sure. I drove both, and XR is very dead in low rpms.
There's no easy answer to that other than if you already like the XR more, it usually means that this is the right way to go for you.
Wait for the M1000XR when it is out
It seems interesting thanks to additional power but the current S1000XR is already powerful. I'm not sure if they will be able to improve its handling though. It could be a bestseller if it was feeling lighter and more nimble.
BMW fan?
Electric fuel tank lock costs $ 350.
Is this a problem?
It's a shame they don't install it in top versions that we already pay a lot additionally. Even if it's available, I don't like such a strategy of squeezing every single coin. As seen in this other example, others give you a lot without trying to trick anybody too much.
The XR does not have the premium feel of the Ducati. Also Ducati looks much better.
These points may be harder to define and slightly more personal I believe.
I really think you tested a faulty mtsv4s. Heat handling i dont know what else i use to like your videos until you become a gs bias. We understand it personal preference but need to give credit where credit is due… maybe of you say comfort and softer suspension gs would win and alow off roading. But the rest hands down. Btw I own both bikes…
Bias would be a preference without a reason. I justify my preferences in certain areas. I enjoy the way R1250GS handles and believe it's the best in that area (for my taste). As for the Multi, it was a dealer's test motorcycle - pretty fresh. The heat issue is known and I bet that this is why Ducati tried to address it with the cylinder deactivation system. Otherwise why would they take any action? As a precaution? Maybe but maybe not. And hey, having two out of these - you're a fortunate one! Very nice.
BMW🤙🔥
everybody has understood that your are PRO BMW and Pro GS here dude
Really?
I go for the XR...I doubt I would use a radar on a motorcycle, hardly use it on a sports car...and the looks are better. Only if the would put a drive shaft.
Thanks for the feedback! Drive shaft could be interesting in an XR. Now after the launch of the newest BMW K1600 series today/yesterday, I believe that for super long touring in full comfort and with plenty of power, it's that one that should be the choice according to BMW. Otherwise they'd like us to go for a GS or an RT. And XR for having super fast fun in comfort, but not for that very long.
@@VToldsMotoShow For very long....definitely the GSA, the K1600 might be on the heavy side if I decide to use a gravel road...and wouldn't want to mess all that fairing
I have a2020 xr, 40.5 average mileage.. dont think the multi can do that
I've also heard that the Multi isn't very efficient. But in the end of the day, buying some of the top of the line bikes out there, I wonder for how many of us that matters so much. Still, I'd also appreciate it for a few reasons, one being not having to visit petrol stations as often.
The direct competitor for XR wud be Ninja1000SX
Isn't is too much of an extreme sports bike?
"GS as a 1st choice for in city" come on... how many city commuters have you seen on GS?
Absolutely it would be my number 1 choice for city riding at the moment, no question about it. Maybe not in some English town with super narrow streets but in most large cities - for sure. If agility, handling, brakes and ease of managing it were a priority. I'd bet that most GS riders who are either some kinds of managers or business owners, manage or own businesses in the cities and many of them live there too, so despite not having stats on "how many riders ride a certain bike in the city and how many outside", I wouldn't cross this option out.
@@VToldsMotoShow I visit Melbourne CBD regularly and GS is a *very* rare sight. I ride XR which is much lighter and nimbler bike and even that is almost too much - if I had to commute daily I'll definitely go with CB500X.
I understand this is your opinion and it's as valid as mine. I'm only point out that statistics wise most of people seem to think otherwise, at least judging by looking at parking lots of Australia two largest cities
Please review the kawasaki versys 1000 2022 se model.
That may be an idea for 2022. Thanks for suggesting it.
@@VToldsMotoShow thks 😊. Because your reviews are really honest.
Multistrada V4S my average fuel consumption:
In city use: 8.5 - 9L / 100km
Long travel: around 6.5L / 100km
Those who live in countries that use weird outdated units of measurement like US and UK can convert the values using google. 👍
Huge thanks for providing this. Luckily this is exactly how I understand fuel consumption too ;). For the sake of some poor souls who are cursed with miles :D
26-27,5 MPG in the city & 36 MPG outside. Thanks again!
@@VToldsMotoShow Lol 😄 You are welcome dude. Ride safe 🏍
Thanks and all the best!
how about Gs consumption?
I’ve choose the Multistrada because of S1000 engine has to be heavy valve clearence maintanence every 20000km vs 60000km on V4 Grandtourismo engine. Low rpm tourque gives more practicality incity traffic. As I sensed Multistrada is really quick and agile on the twisted curves.
Good feedback - thanks!
agree, had to pay £800 for xr valve service
Lol you cant compare theese bikes with a gs they are not in the same category.
Gs is like a heavy slow tractor.
Multi gears are lower for off road performance
Maybe and that would actually make sense - total sense. Kind of a sacrifice on the road here but hey, let's see what they come up with in the future.
Ducati got to do more maintenance and cost lot more money.
Quite ridicolous review full of clichés. In terms of Technologie, at example, the last Multi V4 is on another level. Front and rear radar that prevent crashes and smart navi system that is almost like an auto pilot or blind spot radar. Things that could safe your lite and BMW doesn't have at all. That things didn't mentioned at all. 4 cilinder bmw is lacking torque at low revs and really less usable in the most of normal situation.
Front radar doesn’t prevent crashes. Please watch the video fully.
The V4 with the 19’ front wheel and the XR are different bikes meant for different uses and comparing them is wrong, in my opinion. Having said that, air protection in the V4 is excellent, full stop. The V4 is much more comfortable. Ducati’s quality, even if worst than that of the 1260, is for sure better than BMW XR’s: plastics are better and BMW has not full sticker protection, for example. Most probably the XR has better performances than the V4, but comparing two bikes performances without instruments is meaningless. You can do better.
How tall are You?
I'm 183 cm tall
How was the engine heat of the XR? seems not as bad as Ducati's but is it unconfortable?
I haven't noticed anything worrying in this or the previous generation. In the case of the first XR I've put it through its paces on a hot day in the city and I don't remember paying attention to it getting too hot. I don't think that it's an issue in the cases of any of the XR generations.
To expensive, to complicated, to expensive to fix, replacement parts are expensive and hard to find. Limited accessories availability. Terrible dealer network. HORRIBLE resale value. Designed and marketed to wealthy people with more money than brains. By a Honda.
XR is not expensive . A T Adv Sport DCT service costs and parts more than XR.
But wait... which one?
Both are good difference of price is too much
BMW XR ??? Adventure bike???
Sport… touring yes, but adventure?
Yeah, I think that this is a valid point. I wouldn't say that it's in the adventure category simply because it cannot go off the road while the Multistrada for example easily can. Agreed!
After owning 16 motorcycles in my life - best is R1200GS Adventure 2018. 1250 gs may develop engine problems.
ducati has up-graded keyless tank cap for extra money hahahaha
Yeah, that's right. A bit weird to in fact charge twice for the same thing.
And apprilia tuono v4
I'll go with the Multi any day🤌
And one to go the Italian way!
I like a key! Too much tech will be a problem...
Now as long as it works, it can be pretty comfortable on the other hand.
Is there any cure for the old-school tractor seat on the XR? I have an aging 1200 Multistrada and thought the XR would be a good option but 3 seconds in that seat were all I needed to know.
Haha, nice one - of course there are aftermarket seats or companies that modify original seats. No big deal I'd say. I found the seat fine and I'm picky but I do realize that there's something off with it as many riders seem not to enjoy it.
@@VToldsMotoShow thanks. I took a look and it seemed the way the seat pan was recessed in to the tail piece would make it difficult for anyone to make a non-tractor seat for it. Hopefully they do. I'd love to try one knowing that a reasonable seat was available.
I think I get what you mean by a “tractor seat”, it’s funny by the way. Still, it can be made higher to flatten it and also to just add extra cushioning everywhere on top. Depending on what you like, there are for sure ways to achieve that. First though I’d take a look at what’s available from known companies as they might’ve found a solution to that already.
Enjoy your review but I differ a little be from you , I have both the Gs and Xr 2021 and even i like more the look of the gs and i think if i have to choose one of the i keep the Gs for been a bike where i can use more in all kind of road (even off road) . I must admit that the Xr is more enjoyable bike to ride also more accurate , also more dangerous because it tempted to go fast for the sportier feel , it only miss a little be of torque in low range like the gs with more torque in low range the xr is a perfect bike to enjoy more
Oh, the XR definitely makes one want to go faaaaaaast! That's undeniable and tempting indeed. Very good point.
Test the KTM
Gladly. I think this would make a lot of sense too. They're not really present in this part of the world though.
xr do a 1000rr parts and do like 200hp
That would certainly be quite interesting.
only bmw i liked was k 1200 r or k1300 r
GS greati safe and borring for old fat farts or chicks
Old fat chicks... sounds like my favorite!
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First, I believe and appreciate you are doing your best to be objective with these comparisons - and of course every rider is different. I think it’s also important that bikes of the same model sometimes leave the factory with “differences” between them, and that all bikes break in over time and in general IMHO most bikes “feel” better after you’ve put the first couple/few thousand miles in on them. With that background context in mind, something you’ve said repeatedly about the MTS V4s in both BMW comparisons and your “honest review” doesn’t strike me as quite right. You’ve repeatedly said the MTS noticeably shakes and stutters at 4k RPM and lower. While I believe that is what you’ve honestly experienced given how often you say it - I never recall experiencing that shaking and stuttering much above 3K RPM on my own MTS V4s. Irrespective of your reviews, that “shaking/stuttering” is something I immediately noticed when I first bought my MTS V4s because I had previously owned the MTS 950s and that used to stutter up to around 3.5k RPM. Basically, I remember thinking how much smoother the V4s was at the lower RPMs around 3.5k. I went out for a 90 mile ride in the mountains this morning and with your reviews in mind played with the V4s at various speeds and gears and frankly couldn’t replicate any shaking or stuttering anywhere near 4k RPM. If anything the torque at 4k rpm in 6th was admittedly anemic - but zero hint of any shaking or stuttering even down at 3.5k rpm with some throttle (i.e., I wasn't coasting). I’m just wondering if maybe its the specific bike you’re testing, or maybe the engine isn’t broken in? I don’t know - I’m just saying your observation of the MTS having “smoothness issues” at or below 4k rpm doesn’t jibe with my own experience and wondering where the disconnect might be. All that said, thanks for the reviews - I genuinely enjoy them.
I would agree. There is chatter with the V4 at very low revs. I’ve got about 3500 miles and no judder or shaking above 12-15k Revs. Smooth as silk. And Jesus it pulls like a train forever. Got enough to burn your leg? Was he wearing shorts.
@@colinlofthouse4597 Yeah, I haven’t ever noticed any heat issues either. Then again, I have to confess I’m blessed to live in the near-perfect year round climate of California’s central coast - if anything I have to flip the seat heater on a few times a week year-round. If I’m inland where it is hotter, I’m usually on a freeway or similar and traveling at speeds where heat isn’t an issue.
@@2BWiley2 Some of the stuff he is saying is bike specific.
@@toddfain2845 Thanks. My intent was to be bike-specific relative to the MTS V4s. On 3 review videos now he’s stated a drawback of the V4s is that it starts shaking/shuddering at RPMs of 4,000. I own one with about 4k miles on it and I’ve never once had it shake/shudder anywhere near 4k RPM. It’s always smooth as butter above 2500 RPM in my experience, and not bad below that, so I was just questioning why he might be experiencing such issues at 4k rpm on the V4s. To the extent he is, I’m speculating it may be specific to the individual bike he’s testing, like his specific test bike has something wrong with it, not so much the bike model. Maybe we're saying the same thing.
@@2BWiley2 yes, we are saying the same thing. Not all the bikes do what he is saying as I think it may be specific to the bike he rode.