13:17 he's making such a good point. Since mid and side waves got synced up, getting lane prio is often worthless, you can't roam anymore, you can't take plates under your ennemies' nose either, you can't steal camps because it takes ages and 50% HP, you can't do anything to really push your lead. Same for death timers getting shorter, killing your opponent can be at your own detriment if he TP back and you can't push the wave instantly
So true man as a qiyana player even if i get a solokill enemy comes before i push or if they have tp i cant just make them go base and roam i have to stay or he will tp and push maybe even gets plate. Even if i roam well its not worth because you are getting exp gap
What? They've been sinked. Must have missed that patch note. Since going for a double proxy has been harded. I thought I just got worse. Ty for this info
@@kyokokirigiri100 why are you trying to use a high elo player as google? You are not entitled to him explaining hte basics of league to you for 10 minutes because you donated, its a donation not a payment. You could've gotten the help you need for free if you just asked on a league discord/reddit or even googled league of legends beginner guide also if you actually played a game 1000 times and are still stuck in the 2nd lowest rank then it sounds like you won't get out lol
@@kyokokirigiri100i dont blame him. If uve ever been in a streamers chat, theres always abunch of people asking for builds or how to get out of bronze. Also, farm well and learn how to play your champion and how to build them. You will get out of low elo.
i mean i know what he means, every single game that i play has an orianna or a syndra in it and they always do well, even if they aren’t doing well they still end up being more useful or outscaling every one else in the game
After the jungle nerfs, every game is bot diff rven with the stale top/mid meta. Jungle is tank meta too, maybe the most boring meta that we've had until now.
@@Koce13every single bit of skill was taken from jungle. Jungle is extremely simple atm. Diffing a jungler who knkws what he is doing is extremely hard.
Nemesis saying that Oriana being buffed isn’t that much of an issue but then also dodging because he doesn’t want to play against Oriana is hilarious 🤣
what he actually said was different tho, he said that there is no problem with some midlane champs being buffed, SINCE there are waaaay many champs that are overbuffed in other roles too, like Aatrox, Ksante, Rakan, Xayah and Kaisa. the example is that there's no issue in champions being solid and strong, the problem starts when there's only 2 champs at MAX per role that are waaaay overbuffed above all others, and that results in a boring meta, where you know that if you don't pick one of these, you're fucked because there are no answers to it.
im so glad he mentioned kaisa building 5 different items every game and still 1shotting 1v5ing every team fight and is justified by riot by "her weak laning phase" that isnt even weak at all
God I love adc meta, they can build ANYTHING and oneshot you from half a screen away, but its fine because they are supposed to die easily (WHICH THEY DONT ANYMORE) but hey adc is weak because the dps role cannot 1v1 assassins and bruisers
Think most of the other changes are debatable, but the death timers are horrible. Midlane prolly suffers the most from this, but in toplane it's a horror as well. It was already possible to solo kill someone lvl 2-4 and actually be behind all things considered, because you didn't manage to setup the wave properly before they TP back in and are stronger.
@dislexyc when death timers lvl 4 is like 16 sec and u remove 4, that's 25% decrease. (Hopfully now that I did basic maths for u, u can understand how it means alot)
Yamato is right tbh. TP is really really op and now they buffed durability of early Doran's items and you basically wait for your supp/jungle to make a play and react to it.
ye but this shit is still league better than pre durability assassin meta qiyanna with only dirk killing full hp people with no minions on 100% under tower in half her combo while being even in lane.
Man, the "you cant steal as much jungle camps anymore cause its harder" hits hard, i have a playstyle of making big waves then either roaming or invading to take camps if theres no window to roam, and now it takes a lot longer so i risk losing the wave that will bounce back to me, its so boring to stay stuck in lane.
i feel like this could very easily be fixed for most players by removing the tankiness from enemy camps while keeping it for your own jungler. Win lane, push out, take enemy raptors etc so you're able to actually punish the enemies that way
i dont even comprehend what riot is doing. it's like they're constantly decreasing the number of ways you can gain an advantage in this game, so ur just sitting there pve'ing and then teamfighting. what even is the point of early game if not for good players to gain an advantage over less good players?
If riot wanted early game advantage to be instawin they'd just make games end after 5 minutes. Having a slower game is not the same as early game being pointless.
It's just that it's very hard to balance it. Either it's hard snowball meta or it's scale meta, both being incredibly unfun to play. Some people don't want to lose a game because another laner solo lost a game in 10 minutes. Riot just can't balance between the two but maybe it gets better after item rework next season.
@@tapewoerm THIS. If snowball meta is around, you lose control the second some guy gets some out of pocket kills, if its scaling meta, you can try to end fast but if you dont u just watch ur team fall apart and die to syndra ori
I feel like having to consider not killing someone in lane when you actually could, because it would result in a weird wave state (which cannot be fixed with 4 seconds lower deathtimer) isnt a very good game design. Esspecially if you want to play with Ignite.
I was playing a game yesterday where I killed enemy jg topside with a counter-gank about 20s before drag spawned. Old patch, we have drag advantage because I just back and have tempo and gold on them. New patch, WE LOSE DRAG BECAUSE THE ENEMY JG DIED TOPSIDE. They had to wait like 5s to respawn and walk straight there. While I had to get to safety and then back, both things together taking a total of 10-15s depending. So because I killed the enemy jungler, they had a 5-10s lead on me. Add in their laners actually rotating to an obj, and I unironically lost a dragon because I killed the enemy jg topside. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE RIOT!
You have no idea, the death timer shit is just as impactful for junglers, Briar takes red side and level 3 ganks bot, I'm pathing top and the moment I see her I roll into her blue, the issue is that it's Briar, and Briar loves inting, so what happens is she gets smoked by my Caitlyn for free, gets 350 gold from 3 camps meaning long sword, gets an instant recall, gets full HP, and NOW runs to her blue whilst I'm holding my dick in my hand half HP doing exactly the same amount of camps she did. So from their jungler feeding my AD for free I have 3 options, take her blue and get double scuttled/invaded myself by the now stronger jungle, forsake her blue and take my side cowering from the now stronger jungler, and... Risk my life in the hopes of taking scuttle away from the now stronger jungler, also fucking up my rotation in the process, all of these end up in a net loss for me, but not my Caitlyn I guess, yay. It's an absolute mess.
@@JustShotsForMehnah man that’s not true, you have enough time for her blue, gromp, and scuttle top side especially if your laner can rotate. If you can’t take blue and scuttle then you made a mistake in clearing or wasted time. (Or I mean you are a jungler like maokai then yea you just hard lose every scenario). Really depends on your champ though.
@@143tg Shit, you could make the argument you can take wolves blue and MAYBE squeeze out gromp just barely and get smoked, my point being this is not an advantage, you got 2 of her camps, yay! Now you recall/die to her on your side if you even manage to clear anything and not die to your camps, regardless you lose 2 camps of your own, chickens red and with top prio she might even take your golems easier than you would have taken gromp regardless of your prio, you fixed her rotation perfectly whilst messing up yours. You fix her rotation You fuck up your rotation You give away the stronger buff You waste time with the weaker buff You risk top checking/coming You risk mid checking/coming You're weaker You can't gank afterwards You can't counter gank afterwards The funny bit? In all of this foray you're better off executing on one of the tier 2's than recalling!!! All of this is in the context of their jungler running it down bot, being unable to punish that properly is fucking absurd, it makes the role so training-wheeled, at least I don't deal 20% less damage to her side now, copium.
@@JustShotsForMeh well you get 3 counting scuttle, yea sure it’s not a complete advantage, but at worst you go equal. You are actually more net positive since she has to invade your red side, you seem to think she can just go there unpunished and win. Like in your thinking she already has your red side, which honestly is just not true. Her having a long sword advantage over you does not mean she can just invade you on that side without repercussions. Champions cannot just go and create pressure. You aren’t necessarily weaker either, it entirely depends on the champion you play, some champions are more gold efficient and can beat other despite missing an extra 10ad from longsword. Also what makes you think you can’t gank or counter gank, the champ doesn’t just become invincible after buying a long sword. You also don’t mess up your clear rotation, since you can always just go bot after recall and shake hands on an even trade (technically net positive since your cait got a kill) It’s hard as these are theoretical with no real context of game or lane states, instead it’s just assuming the context happens. Which by that logic you could apply to any scenario. If you got a vod or vid then that would be better to review. Overall I get your point that you are trying to make, it’s just not a very good one as it just gets countered by basic jungle fundamentals. If this was really the case why don’t we see more high elo junglers, especially ones that can red side 3 camp clear faster, doing this more often and executing to towers. (Also briar would go buy Doran’s blade not long sword, and to counter that you would just do the similar 3 camp into back buy) All this again depends on champ since if you are maokai yea you are going to have a much harder time
Agree 100% on syndra, she needs her mana costs doubled. No champion should be able to spam their abilities constantly missing and still win lane without trying.
@@Jace9IX Karthus yes because he can die and still cast spells. Cait and Jinx are still in the same spot they have been for months. Adc is ENTIRELY team reliant and completely support reliant just to lane, that is NOT "high impact" lmao. Find better coping mechanisms troll
@@Digger-Nick I hate this argument. Everybody is team reliant, Fiora with Hullbreaker is team reliant, AD is the most submissive role that rewards you once you're submissive enough, with all of that said, the rewards for just farming and going into mid game with your support duo makes you the strongest duo in the game bar none, your scaling is the strongest bar none, your resource value is the strongest bar none. Do you know how many Kai'Sa games were in this patch? 13.20? 1.2 mill. With a whopping 23% pick rate and 12% ban rate. Do you know how many Fiora games, the tippy top of tops, being a fucking S+++ with a 56% WR Masters+ has? 230k. Your role is not weak, your role is the most impactful role in the game along with jungle, (Coming from a jungle main), and that is only because I as the jungler have the easiest time making YOU and your healy roamy companion more impactful than you already are.
The Caitlyn part reminded me of a certain Caitlyn lover who made a vid about how things changed, found the oneshots funny but ultimately left the game.
And issue with this is that its very clearly fro. The perspective of "i want to pick early game champ and auto-invalidate the existence of anything else once i get first blood"
Makes no sense. Your favourite video game is dying because of catastrophic management ? WeLl StOp wHiNiNG aNd PlaY SomEThInG ElSe ! Distract yourself with something similar, I don't know ?! Who cares ? Your favourite potato chips are cutting the quality of potatoes to get more profit, while raising the price ? JUST GET THE SUBBRAND ! Your favourite movie saga is getting STRETCHED TO DEATH to extract to the last drop of profit through netflix and merch (not even talking about quality) ? IT'S NOT FOR YOU, GO WATCH SOMETHING ELSE ! Do people enjoy being scammed ? Being ridiculed, being taken for actually retarded zombies whose only thought is to consume ????
In this case we're talking about high elo players who have most of the time invested much into the game, Yamato can't just quit his livelyhood by not playing league anymore for example.
Yeah but he playes a video game for a job. Lets be honest here its not like he is being tortured in a coal mine. He could just make fun content and clear his mentality be less toxic, but he dosent. He keeps grinding and complaning. He has complained every single session about every single thing...@@jensrozema2847
@jensrozema2847 if it's your livelihood, then adapt and play what is good. For every normal job, sometimes you just have to do things even if you don't enjoy it. Why should LoL as a job be any different ? Idk whether the changes are good or not, but "i don't like it" is not enough reason to change it. He says you can play only a certain way now. Every normal job has these phases where you can do things only a certain way for some time.
maybe cause they play for a long time they know that old league was way better , adapting as a person who earns money to play is right but doesnt make that you need to accept the interactive meta or smh like that
There's been a few times where I feel like I kill an enemy and they walk to lane so fast it catches me off guard, death timers being shortened even more doesn't make sense to me at all
as far as bott lane goes, you often even get fucked by that, you 2v2 killed the enemy bott, but you're low on hp and mana and your wave is now slow pushing, there's no way for you to shove it, you legit end up behind in xp, it feels absolutely dogshit every time
Wont lie to you, i gave up solo killing in the early game with kata and play her with tp and pray for a random fight bot to get kills and hopefully be able to get more gold than the one that i lost
@@lemonscentedgames3641 top and mid have the luxury of taking TP though, unless you're playing a mage bott, you need ghost/cleanse and flash, it happens in the solo lanes, but it's not quite as pronounced there, while it's very obvious bott
if you look at caits items, at lv 18 she has 18 lethality from collector, 18 from axiom, 36 from yoummus (yes including the stacked passive), for a total of 72 lethality, plus the 30% pen from LDR, and since 30% deducts first before the lethality you take his 110 armor and deduct the 30% which leaves him at 77 armor, then deduct the lethality, oh, now its down to 5 armor, NOT 110, but people don't take that into account.. So cait at this stage is doing practically true damage to him thus the 'one shot'
Also, it was a 60% crit, also it was a headshot. The only was she could have dealt more damage is with a trap. Talon has like mathematically perfect armor for this oneshot.
@@Lin_Nascimentotbf the game moves a LOT of money, so getting good at it, even if it's got the same odds as seeing a chicken with jordans, it can happen. And the better you are at it the more chances you get of seeing the chicken.
There Is a purple man, a melee ap assassin tbh, that is very strong due to this changes and is very good against meta midlaners like Syndra, Ori, ahri and vex, i think Yamato should give him a try
I mean, I both agree and disagree with the post. I agree in the sense that death timers are bad, I agree that they have overbuffed some mages by nerfing keystones and I agree TP mid is just horrible as an interaction in general. However the person who made the post plays primarily assassins, who I have little sympathy for because the whole point of an Assassin is literally, snowball get uber fed solo the game for your team and only stop scaling towards the late game at which point the lead you bought far outweighs the scaling you get from a mage midlane as realistically you can end the game in 20 minutes or less with a fed assassin mid lane. I have seen entire teams be carried by, Kata, Talon and Zed rather one sidedly in most solo que games. But I haven't seen Oriana and Syndra solo carry as much, in fact I see more Cassio and Vex when it comes to mid mages just out pacing the entire team. But again this is my experience his is probably different, I still don't feel an ounce of sympathy for assassins but hey lets be generous and see, if they giving everyone an enhanced Doran's item why don't assassins get one too? Because Doran's blade feels more like an adc item. So maybe Riot can put their heads together and give an early game lethality item with maybe giving additional bounty after their first kill to reward them playing aggressively if they want to keep the mages power without making assassins unfun to play as.
On early lvls I can't get a kill top because when I do, it's impossible to get the wave pushed in on time and they just tp back and pull a freeze (I'm not running tp).
Yeah it's disgusting. Had a game few days ago, where I was playing Riven ignite vs Voli tp. I kill him lvl 1 and was left with like 25% hp and then voli tpes back to lane into permafreeze. When you comeback to lane he's lvl 3 to your lvl 2, so your item advantage doesn't matter. Also enemy jungled pathing top, so I basicly lost lane because I killed my opponent, cool game! How to deal with that? The way I see the solution for this problem is checking how many minions you have to clear before all it. Even if you have kill opportunity, but you have to shove the whole wave while you're super low, it's not worth it. Or just run tp
the only problem with yamato statement is that: he complains he can't 1vs9 his entire argument is centered around him wanting to win against his opponent in lane, and then just win the entire game out of it alone it's not fun for the game, it's only fun for the single player that plays mid with the assassin and just wins, that's what he finds fun all his points are centered around making only his role good, not about how it interacts with the rest of the game
I think that's just twitch in general tbh, maybe watching something live just rots your braincells away temporarily. They were actually trying to defend a caitlyn doing 2600 dmg with 1 auto LMAO
kinda off topic but why did he do no bans while saying Ori and Synd are op right now and then dodge cause the other guy picked Ori, coulda saved the LP and time.
@@xecyc7951 hard disagree but that just my opinion. I prefer to play champs like kat that just get oppressed by constant mage picks in midlane. plus with the new rune changes looking for anything in the early game just feels impossible. im sure abusing oriana and syndra feels really good for a couple games but those champs feel stale asf to me. honestly top lane is alot more fun because it feels like i can do things. and adc is just aggravating because sup role exists
Even for casual players like myself this game is going to shit. It doesnt feel competitive because the skill basd gameplay from it has gone away so much. Honestly jst been playing 1 game a day then hopping on another game for past few months
The main source of this problem is the constant low elo delusion that "mages are weak" because they don't post huge kill numbers every game like assassin players often do. This "weakness" has never been represented in winrate, or in competitive play where they have been practically mandatory mid picks for the past god knows how many seasons of pro. It's the content creation scenes fault as well, because they promote the 1v9 hard carry playstyle as the only way to escape low elo, when it reality it's the reason low elo is such a cluster fuck of main characters with no understanding of the fundamentals of the game.
High elo mage players complained about lack of variety in AP items. Reddit caught onto it and somehow twisted it from ''lack of AP item variety'' into ''AP items weak''. Now guess who did Riot listen to? :D
@@walkelftexasranger I also think the complaint is pointless to begin with, because it's not the items fault that mage is boring, since the champions are boring themselves. Everyone has a blast playing AP Kaisa using the exact same mage items, simply because the kit is more interesting and modern
Nah but its literally unplayable for us because we dont have itemisation, imo the only way to make mages even slightly viable is to give us ap deaths dance, ap hullbreaker. Buff zhonyas too make it 2600 gold like it used to be
Huge difference between something being fun and fair or being strong. ADC has a similar problem to where they are gods if played around and properly peeled for but a litteral canon minion if not turbo fedd and your teamates dont care about you in teamfights. Mages are very strong but are very boring to play both due to the mobility creep in the game and the lack of diversity in items. At the end of the day the casuals make up about 95% of the playerbase and League is a GAME which are supposed to be fun for the absolute majority of the players. It isnt right or fair to balance around proplay and master+ players only and for the past few seasons fun and fair in soloQ has been way too sidelined for the benefit of esports.
The thing about balancing for the majority is that balance doesn't matter for the majority. In low elo, player skill always outweighs game balance. We seem to care about balance a lot, but we can't even pilot our main champions remotely correctly.
The death timer being shortened was excused as 'I die and the enemy is 2 levels above till I get back' Aka 'I'm too bad at the game and died, now I have no chance, so I'll pay for skins so they listen to me'
went 4-0 against sion and i couln't push forward due to his 7K hp and couldn't leave lane bc he would take all the towers. He had tp so any earlygame death was neutral for him. Spent 20 minutes clearing the wave before he decided to tank tower and deal 2k damage with demolish proc. I didn't win the game.
Sounds like you grossly mismanaged your waves or just stood there and fed him Heartsteel stacks. It takes Sion like 40 fucking minutes to get to 7k HP. You did something horrendously wrong.
the worst feeling about this patch is just laners can't really push their leads to win lanes with all the anti-snowball changes while simultaneously JG has turned into a clusterfuck mess where if one of them gets put behind they're simply just stuck in the dirt and it ends up a 4v5. Now yeah you can't get snowballed to infinity...but your jungler can, and once it happens he ain't coming back.
You should niot be able to 1v5 run down the enemy team just because you got an early kill, and are now allowed to force bigger leads. it s extremely toxic game design
Laners can still push their leads. I don't understand why so many whiny content creators see a nerf to snowballing (which has been ultra toxic so far) and they act like you can't get a lead anymore. Killing the enemy laner on offense nets you 300 gold, 125 for a plate and they lose at least one wave, worth around 120 gold on average in the early game. We're looking at a 550 gold lead (plus the exp the enemy is losing) on one kill. But no, if the first kill doesn't straight up win you the game and allow you to 1v9, the game is bad apparently. I'm so tired of all these mid laners getting one kill and then stat checking everyone because they don't need to play well anymore. It's just boring
Change every time he said mid with top and every meta mid champ with one of the ever meta toplanes like malph or riven and you got yourself the toplane experience since season 9
dont think thats a problem, cait oneshoting. She has full build even sold boots. Talon has no armor. Her passive shot makes her deal doulbe dmg so yeah. Every other adc would hit for 1,3k. And the thing is isnt like Talon would do the same thing to her if she didnt aa first. He would have even went stealth after and ran away. Syndra would do the same to cait, Taliyah would oneshot her Zyra woulde oneshot her. Just Jhin maybe not lol... adcs get oneshot since 10 years from everything even tanks.
Basically make it impossible to tp before 3 min and game is better since taking risks to get an early kill would be rewarded (plates couldn't be taken anyway but you would at least make them lose a wave or two)
true it feels impossible to play assassins for the past few patches. when safe scaling mages are meta combined with tank engage junglers it's impossible to have an impact on the game with a majority of midlaners. you can't roam because of lane sustain and teleport and you can't play aggressive because even if you get a kill they will just teleport back and out-tempo so you just have to stay by your tower. your best bet is just to play someone who can teamfight in the mid and lategame or you're fucked.
@@ForzaOwnzbro since when was it designed this way?? Good otps usualy just kept on playing their champ but now they just kill some champs and overtune others
@@ForzaOwnz ah yes they should pick from the vast champ pool that are now meta and pick or ban on mid (3 champs). Don't get me wrong I like control mages but a couple of years ago we had control mage meta and there was a lot of trading and skill expression in lane, now you just queue up, push then hug tower and hope you outscale/get carried by 30 minutes, end game, queue up, do the same
@@andyyy1094you know what now as I just recalled the first disgusting meta control mage that was actually pick to win was morgana. At that time glacial could proc off auto, and you could first time morgana mid auto someone slow them and hit a guaranteed Q. In those patches you could see a morgana in 9/10 games if i rmb unless its banned
@@ForzaOwnz Iron level take, the game is designed so that you can play what you want. Sure there is a meta but that shouldn't make a class of champions unplayable
18:00 This is just misunderstanding math. Cait has two sources of naturally multiplicatively stacking damage crit and headshot (which itself also scales directly with crit). Lethality is also multiplicative because of how armor is calculated (this is exacerbated by ldr). Cait also has 6 items worth of AD. The past lethality-crit champs like aphelios, GP and draven all can do something similar to this. GP and cait just have the highest, one-instance, damage possibility due to their kits (gp barrel armour ignore vs cait headshot crit amp). Complaining about the damage is kind of missing the forest for the trees because the larger question is why she was able to itemize like this and succeed and the answer is the aforementioned changes to jungle and changes that slowed down game pace. Additionally, Ashe nullified the counter matchup of jhin zyra and ivern neuters talon. It's either assasins are meta and the average game time is 20 minutes or scaling is meta and the games have less variance (and can be boring). The pendulum swings back and forth..... Somehow I feel like you won't see him complaining again when Akshan and talon are back to 100-0ing you at lvl 2.
Phreak is emotional balancing at this point. The game is a disgusting state right now and there has been ZERO words from anyone about the current meta. Ivern and rammus sitting at 54% winrate, ori syndra being pick/ban every game in mid lane, Jinx being disgustingly overpowered after her absurd buffs (Who woulda seen that coming????), and support still being support. Dorans items are basically mythics now because selling them even in mid game isn't worth. The jungle changes kill any sort of proactive gameplay since both junglers are either playing tank junglers or supoprt junglers. Death timers being reduced early game is idiotic, now when I kill jungle, they can be back to their camp by the time I get there, and the exact points for top or mid. There is 0 punishments for making mistakes, and in fact you are actually REWARDED for making mistakes. Disgusting company, disgusting game state since phreak joined the team.
@@jsadow6999 I doubt it, phreak has made it his duty to balance the game around his desires which do not align with anyone but the sheep who believe every word he says. It only gets worse from here.
Any game around masters if i ban syndra i play vs ori, if i ban ori i play vs syndra, i dont want to be forced to play a long range champ like xerath every game just to survive/soft counter my lane opponent, or have to play 1 of them to have a somewhat enjoyable game, if 1 of those champs hits me with any ability im taking 50 damage from runes and i cant trade back or outpush them, and then they outscale me, riot is so shit.
i suck at mid but climb with neeko just playing for my jungler, idk if that should be rewarded or not but showing up to all crabs and running into enemy jungler with my graves seems to just be free wins
i'm okay with an assassin full combo oneshotting me (except lvl 6 no items zed, fuck that champ), makes sense. It's what they're designed to do. Not a huge fan of being oneshot by an adc or assassins becoming ad casters.
Playing as an assassin mid: solo killed enemies oriana at lv3, have 20% hp left. Ori: Did you think the lane is over? Yes, but for you (laughs in tp with full hp and lane priority)
pretty sure half the champs just take first strike and they only nerfed that with 1% less damage. i’ve always hated that electrocute was changed in the way it procs because half the champs that took TLD couldn’t take electrocute effectively anymore
i must say i miss the old casual days where litteraly everybody and his grandmother where playing league and nobody cared about rank and you perma queued with friends flex queue
I love getting into solo queue knowing that me consistently wining lane is no longer enough to impact the game. You either have to hard fist 10-0 into making enemy toplaner rage quit or its a bot lane coin flip. Good laning and knowing match ups feels so unrewarding compared to highroling meta adc player who is even in lane and can play teamfights. I find that the only way to climb playing top is to otp fiora perma split full mute. least amount of fun i have had in years. Even if im winning more compared to prior splits.
@@tremendoshd2356 Yes you should. You cant controll your team mates but you can controll yourself. The less power you have to impact the game consistently the more of a flip it is. Get counterpicked since the ziggs support is jerking off and refuses to give last pick. - 22 lp and 45 min xdd. If im 60 cs up with 3-4 solo kills and still not able to prevent a complete collapse since our adc thinks jhin looks cool and picks him into 4 tanks then behaves like a subhuman. Something is wrong, not saying every time you win lane = win game. But the controll mage + lethality adc meta means its all decided in bot and jungle.
@@christianandersson4345 Not for how much agency you have over your lane, in league we have trade offs between agency and impact, adcs for instance are given a sizeable amount of impact but arent given agency to achieve it on their own. Though support kind of breaks that rule
As an ADC main, an assassin should one shot with full combo unless he is super far behind. The issue before durability patch was that assassins oneshot with one ability when down or even in gold. But now the champs are just straight up garbage tier, it is insane ngl.
As an assassin main I agree, I play zed mostly and will concede that going WEQ auto and only hitting 1 of each ability killing the adc is a little much. But when a fed adc kills me in 2 autos, it's a little bit ridiculous. Or the fact that I have to build full bruiser to not become useless late game is annoying.
as an assassin main who played from s3 i dont think they should one shot and they couldn't before but now if they dont they die in 0.0001s and are full useless. before assassin dident oneshit but it was fine because no one oneshooted them ether
@@sinaa9315 wdym b4 durability patch a kha’zix or kayn that was even in xp and gold would 100 to 0 me in one ability. They should execute someone with a full combo unless they are super fed, agree that assassins are bad rn but to say that they couldnt oneshot b4 is simply not true.
As an Orianna otp I agree on most things, when riot started buffing Ori I felt like the buffs were unnecessary (especially dmg buffs, Ori does not lack damage at all). Now she indirectly got buffed through lost chapter gold change, tp changes, dorans ring changes (and she can also go summon aery but I still prefer phase rush on her tbh). Imo Syndra is still stronger but ofc people are gonna be more biased towards the champ they play more (I play more Orianna and Nemesis more Syndra), so I don't think there is a point in debating who of those champs is stronger when they are both in a very similar state. I'm glad Viktor is out of meta, it was horrible playing against this champ. 1 thing I'd like to add is that assassins were dominating the meta for a very long time and now they got the nerf they needed, it doesn't justify Ori and Syndra being this strong but assassin players shouldn't cry about it since they had like 5 seasons for themselves while mages got left behind.
You could always win into assassins as mages you just actually needed hands like they did. The only real no counter play assassins were zed (never balanced since it’s release) and the most Chinese Qiyanas
@@orangutanenthusiast5631 Yeah Qiyana was a whole other kind of broken, the moment she gets level 6 you're one shot from full hp while under your tower with 0 counterplay.
Give tp +1 min cd when used on nonstructure targets. It used to have longer cd like that, but I think it was more like “reduced original cd on tower tp”. It should be like base line on towers, but longer on minions and wards
I feel like the TP can easily be nerfed, put a deathtimer on it. 5-10 seconds would immediately after death would instantly remove the issue of not being punished for death. Problem is that this only really means something to high elo, low elo will never have the same problem
tbh i feel like this would be a good change. doesnt matter if it doesnt affect low elo too, bcz it isnt op in low elo since they arent using these tactics correctly, and if they are then they will soon climb out of low elo
@@unityman3133 Plat and emerald its like around 28% of the player base, that's not low elo. Low elo is gold and below which is around 67%~ of the player base.
*doesnt utilize ban mechanic* *dodges game because he doesnt want to play into orianna* *complains ori and syndra are broken* *two bans unused on team* *dodge* ??????
complaining about with tunnelvision for mid lane also complaining because i play assassins i wanna kill eksdekdedede, btw they nerfed malzahar to the ground since forever because it was the bigpapa counter to any assassin.
One thing I'll admit is Riot needs to put another objective for winning teams. Just give them something to do besides split pushing and duo farming enemy jungle creeps lol.
Agree, I have gave up playing anything but Illaio hullbreaker top, sitting side lane all game and winning with zero skill expression. Its fun for me but actually unplayable for enemy team, such a horrible state. First remove hull, then buff towers, then make xp gain less overall, so you are punished less for roaming.
I was a mid main in season 1-5, back when you had to fight for it in chat like it was blind pick, I remember when lvl 3 ignite first blood fight decided the lane. I don't play mid anymore, but the few times I got autofilled, it is completely impossible. Riot is essentially trying to push mid back to older seasons when farming 200 before 20 mins is more important than kills and roaming. Logically it's counter intuitive because if you're going to get 300 gold from minions or 300 gold from roaming, you will choose roaming. First choice don't do anything except continue your supposed growth, while the 2nd choice ensures enemy gets into an disadvantage. The game has went from "Looking to have an advantage" to "Cause disadvantage for enemy", which in itself is bad because the comeback mechanics mean you lose more than you gain if you're ahead in experience and get killed.
But this isn't true? They're all going the same dumb AP build that evolves their Q and if their team has multiple AP then they just get outplayed by the shopkeeper.
I have no idea how you can argue that Cait doing 2.6k damage in 1 auto is ok. Doesn't matter if he didn't build armor items 2.6k hp AA is stupid asf, his chat is something else.
Should a level 18 Caitlyn not do damage? She was probably lethality as well. Why should assassins never get outscaled? I agree with Kai sa "W" being a bs hitbox and visual.
>get outscaled? There a bit difference between "get outscaled" and "Have no chance to do any damage WITH using your F". If assasin cant kill bad position adc he not outscaled he useless. Imagine u as adc go to 700range tank and instant die to sunfire. So u outscaled.
@@Achilleus-e1t The talon had 44 minutes to buy Plated Steelcaps, Guardian Angel or any other armor item and he would've survived that auto and had enough damage to overkill the Caitlyn even through Ivern shield. Instead, the only durability Talon bought was 625 bonus hp from elixir of iron and shroud. He lost most of that before engaging on Caitlyn meaning he had as close to 0 durability as he could possibly have, versus a Caitlyn with as close to as much damage as she could possibly have. (Baron, Elder, Red Elixir, 6 full AD items with no attack speed, Headshot passive, Energized, Ardent Censer, Lethality after dashing with E, etc.) Talon was useless because he itemized poorly. Otherwise he would've deleted this Caitlyn. That's not to mention the other 44 minutes of the match he could've played better to avoid reaching this very specific scenario.
this is fkng what I ranted about yesterday in chat that I got restricted. there is no reason to play aggressively anymore everyone gets a noob fail-safe/ bounty / death timer /exp catch up/ minion buffs etc. Riot is implementing 2 different concepts to maintain a single game. everyone likes watching pro lay but nobody likes to play like pro play.
In top is happening the same thing, there's champions like Illaoi, Sion, Trynda, Malphite,Garen and even Nasus that can just play DShield+Second Wind, and eventually they are gonna be unstoppable. Of these, Illaoi is for sure the most broken, i wouldn't be surprised if they picked these champions in high level play.
in dota they have huge death timers with the ability to buy back for alot of gold (for latgame) and u can buy TP scrolls mby that would be a good change remove TP sum and add a 200-500g Item that lets u tp mby limit use per game or CD
Ive been saying this for the longest time. Mid is the most resident sleeper role in the game. U can play anything mid and survive and just scale. When u see Nasus having a higher winrate mid than top when mid in fact has more ranged champs than top, it should indicate something is very wrong somewhere. A lot of the midlane players in high elo are horribly elo inflated. Just this year for example, I peaked 800LP playing my mid only smurf which is double my top main account. Mid isnt even my 2nd best role.
? Nasus mid has a better win rate because he has infinitely better match ups mid. 3 points in E with comet+scorch+manaflow means you probably outpoke the mage that has ZERO sustain and even if are slightly behind early, you can run down any mage with ghost+ulti after sheen. Also, mages can't really poke him out after a point (passive sustain) and also can't burst him if he his ulti. Like post 6 Syndra has to literally sit on her E all game because if she ever used it aggressively and misses she loses her flash since Nasus can and will just wither her and run her down since she's probably already hovering half health due to the constant E poke.
ADCs are doing too much burst damage, while having literal tank stats. Add an enchanter into the mix, and they're practically unkillable outside of pro play. Don't believe me? Go into practice tool and level any marksman to lvl 18 and any tank to lvl 18. Notice their hp, base armor, and base mr are basically the same. ADC mains cried so hard for so long, that now every marksman is a tank while doing 20-30% more damage than they did in season 8. At the same time, assassins were nerfed aggressively in every single season after season 8. They have less one-shot potential, less CDR, way less base stats (squishy). So marksmen were relentlessly buffed, and their class-counter was relentlessly nerfed. What a shock Cait 1-shots Talon in a single auto. Who could have seen this coming?
adcs are the most babied roll in the entire game. They cry over every inconvenience while simultaneously being the biggest factor in if your team wins or not in teamfights. They position like bruisers and die instantly and cry about balance, I think it's just a fundamental misunderstanding of their own role in game design
Insane how my "Wrong, bad, Plat opinions" almost always get echoed by far better players that other players find a way to agree with. This patch has been catastrophic to the longevity or enjoyment of the game, and I think it marks my time to step away until the actually change things to where playing well is rewarded
Maybe make ignite a snowball spell? Like if you kill the target during ignite, it gets like 15-30% of it's cd refunded to punish tp users more and make late game champs scaling time harder
@@Dentas137 make waves less important, increase tp cooldown, make kills give 400 gold instead of 300, revert death timer changes, make unskilled champions weaker, make skilled champions stronger, revert bot and top wave changes, make champions more squishy and boom the game is good again
also remove dorans shield and second wind, make cloth armor 600 gold but it gives 24 armor, nerf scorch and aery, buff electrocute and dark harvest, nerf bone plating
I'm gonna watch the rest of the video, but as an ADC main I find it hilarious that mid laners are complaining about the possibility of their games being determined by the jg supp. That's 90% of ADC games lol
Im a cait main and i just wanna say, the build is broken but its not cuz caits broken, its the specific overtuned item and rune combination paired with caits kit, which are not balanced to be played in this way.
Only thing I am hearing in this whiny guy's complainging (the twatter post) is "REEEEE WHY CAN'T I WIN LANE IN FIRST 2MIN ANYMORE WAHWAHWAH, I ACTUALLY HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME?!"
The death timer thing is really nice. The reality simply is, if you make a single mistake early and it gets you killed (or you just get early ganked which also usually means death) your game is over and you get to spend the next 15 minutes or even longer trying not to accumulate more deaths and get back into the game where more often than not the game just ends before you can. Its still gonna happen after these changes, its not gonna magically change everything but it will give you more chances to get back. And im sorry but, genuinely what is the point of playing if you get punished with wasting 30 minutes of your time for making a single mistake, thats just stupid. Call me bad i dont care, Summoners Rift has not been fun because of this, for people like me the death timer change is nice.
It's bad because while it allows you to make one mistake and not lose lane completely, it also allows Phreaks daughters Syndra Ori (or whatever flavor of the week midlane uninteractive cancer pick will exist after them) to make 100 mistakes and still not lose lane completely.
@@letroll8954 Thats fair, but then they should just nerf them then. Ik they wont for a bit cause they wanna see them at Worlds, but just cause 2 or 3 or even 10 characters interact very strongly with this doesnt mean the people playing the remaining 170 characters should be fucked. Also, i do play Top Lane primarily so i dont face them too often exactly, but for the casual player, like me, this change is great. Tbh id much rather them just bring Arena back permanently so i can forever turn my back to SR but perhaps the new Quickplay mode will make things better as well
Idk what patch you have been playing in but 1 mistake is not an instant loss for a very long time. You have to play differently from behind sure, but even as an assassin main myself which is supposed to be the worst when set back, I can say I still find the game playable down 0/1 or 0/2 for the most part. The only time I have found it too punishing is in top lane when you are into a bad matchup and go down 0/2 it does seem like you can't play anymore. But 30 minutes is a stretch, if the game lasted 30 minutes then you clearly came back into the game already which is part of the problem.
Hot take respawn timers should be 8 seconds as a base but scale more slowly. You should get punished HARD for dying, I always find it really weird when I get a kill level 1-3 back then get back to lane after my enemy laner and now they're a level up
Remove the respawn homeguards too that shit is mad stupid. Sick and tired of sions inting and getting rewarded woth prio off it after clearing the wave.
That makes sense, but it also promotes snowballing. And Riot decided they want less snowballing in the game. They said they could predict the outcome of a large percentage of games just by looking at early leads (like, one team being 3 kills up at 10 minutes). These changes make perfect sense and they will probably make games less frustrating for the losing team, since they get an actual chance at fighting back. Especially at low elo where smurfs are not punished by the indie company
I feel like some high ranged Lane bullies have crazy high numbers currently. A champion should only have one of these three things: High Range, Insane Scaling, Good Lane. For example Aurelion Sol (bad laning) or Xerath (not the best scaling) are balanced around that but Syndra/Orianna are just too strong in these regards. In my opinion there should not be a single Matchup in League where one player is stronger than the other player over the course of the whole game. Syndra and Orianna have High range, a good lane and very good scaling. That means that in some Matchups it is literally impossible for the enemy to win at any point of the game if the Syndra/Orianna doesn't mess up. It's not possible to try and pull some crazy plays on them because the only way to kill a Syndra/Orianna in lane is if they mess up. That means the other mid laner has no more priority over how the lane goes assuming they are able to punish mistakes but the Orianna/Syndra doesn't do mistakes.
@@kampfbretzelYea but his damage isn't as consistent so it's not really the same. Much harder to get optimal damage output on xerath than ori or syndra.
funny, i think everyone forgot that you still have a ban every game, use it on orianna and boom ur problem is solved.. now u can play the game without the BIG ori problem.
There is a solution to the tp issue early: make it so that tp has a minimum like 30 sec cd when you die, starting from the moment you die. Would punish you from dying super early while changing nothing later on
if that's the case no one will use TP at all. Make it 5 seconds CD after respawn and return normal at 14 mins (similar to how they make mid and side waves sync before 14)
@@crimson7854 wdym no one will use tp? It’s still the most broken summoner post lane phase and it still allows you to take bad trades and tp back while the other guy has to take a shit base. The only thing it wouldn’t allow you to do would be insta tp right after dying early game. It’s crazy that getting solo killed can net you a positive exchange vs your opponent simply because you can tp back right after dying while he can’t crash the wave.
@@imramblin1638 it is only post death early game since the cd would be longer than the death timer. Later on it would be the exact same thing since a 30 sec cd is shorter than a 60 second death timer
@@joaobrito2653 no, i know. I would just still debate that 30 seconds, minus dearh timer may be too long. At that point tp may as well not even exist until after lane phase, which may be the answer, but i personally disagree. Though, I do think there should be some time penalty early game.
There is "Pro Play" and then there's "SoloQ" you will NEVER be able to balance the game to fit both play styles. I understand by sides but I think it's better for the game if they focus on SoloQ play more then catering to Pro Play
ADC players are all delusional. They just can't admit that their champions are overpowered and their whole argument is ''okay but assassin champion oneshot me''... ._.
@@tommytommy7535yes bro it's a team game. That's not a problem, they are reliant on the adc too, everyone relies on eachother. But the adc carries the most responsibility on their back imo, that's why they are the strongest. Sure they can get easily killed if their team sucks and it makes it hard to play, but you should lose a team game if your team sucks. Idk why that's a problem, if your adc is gapped by the enemy adc then fights are just as much a nightmare for other roles as well.
I like how chat is flaming yamato even tho nemesis is agreeing with him lol
is chat supposed to blindly agree with the streamer?
no its just funny how they flame just because its yamato lmao if soemone else said it or wrote the tweet they would suck them off
@@vitorguidorizzzi7538 kinda when the streamer knows much much more than all of them combined lol
when the chat is lower than diamond and the streamer is pro lvl , yes meta wise they have to listen .@@vitorguidorizzzi7538
@@vitorguidorizzzi7538 probably when the streamer is 100000x their elo and knows infinitely more than them about the game
13:17 he's making such a good point. Since mid and side waves got synced up, getting lane prio is often worthless, you can't roam anymore, you can't take plates under your ennemies' nose either, you can't steal camps because it takes ages and 50% HP, you can't do anything to really push your lead.
Same for death timers getting shorter, killing your opponent can be at your own detriment if he TP back and you can't push the wave instantly
So true man as a qiyana player even if i get a solokill enemy comes before i push or if they have tp i cant just make them go base and roam i have to stay or he will tp and push maybe even gets plate. Even if i roam well its not worth because you are getting exp gap
What? They've been sinked. Must have missed that patch note. Since going for a double proxy has been harded. I thought I just got worse. Ty for this info
@@internetgamer2i knew i wasnt crazy. - fellow singed420 double proxy enjoyer
The anti snowball patch was insanely good. Because theres no point to keep playing with 3 losing lanes.
@@kachow5830 RIP Rudy
i just realized i dont hate nemesis i hate his fans
They're bunch of Redditors who haven't get past Plat elo.
@@kyokokirigiri100 why are you trying to use a high elo player as google? You are not entitled to him explaining hte basics of league to you for 10 minutes because you donated, its a donation not a payment. You could've gotten the help you need for free if you just asked on a league discord/reddit or even googled league of legends beginner guide
also if you actually played a game 1000 times and are still stuck in the 2nd lowest rank then it sounds like you won't get out lol
@@kyokokirigiri100 you just got the large streamer "bad mood" experience
@@kyokokirigiri100i dont blame him. If uve ever been in a streamers chat, theres always abunch of people asking for builds or how to get out of bronze.
Also, farm well and learn how to play your champion and how to build them. You will get out of low elo.
@@kyokokirigiri100 what lane do you play bro?
i mean i know what he means, every single game that i play has an orianna or a syndra in it and they always do well, even if they aren’t doing well they still end up being more useful or outscaling every one else in the game
After the jungle nerfs, every game is bot diff rven with the stale top/mid meta. Jungle is tank meta too, maybe the most boring meta that we've had until now.
@@Koce13every single bit of skill was taken from jungle. Jungle is extremely simple atm. Diffing a jungler who knkws what he is doing is extremely hard.
@@myfairlady343 wdym
I got one shot by a syndra R whilst I was playing an adc once. She was 3/12…
@@cody6550 adc diff tbh
Nemesis saying that Oriana being buffed isn’t that much of an issue but then also dodging because he doesn’t want to play against Oriana is hilarious 🤣
Clearly his opinion changed if he's complaining about her for 20 minutes
also doesnt ban any champion and then dodges
I think he tried to ban ori at the last second, you can see him type PORI xD @@b0sspls622
what he actually said was different tho, he said that there is no problem with some midlane champs being buffed, SINCE there are waaaay many champs that are overbuffed in other roles too, like Aatrox, Ksante, Rakan, Xayah and Kaisa.
the example is that there's no issue in champions being solid and strong, the problem starts when there's only 2 champs at MAX per role that are waaaay overbuffed above all others, and that results in a boring meta, where you know that if you don't pick one of these, you're fucked because there are no answers to it.
imagine still playing league and not dota lmao idiots
im so glad he mentioned kaisa building 5 different items every game and still 1shotting 1v5ing every team fight and is justified by riot by "her weak laning phase" that isnt even weak at all
kaisa lane is not weak, just pick nautilus supp and when naut hit a Aa or Q and kaisa will destroy 50% of your hp in 1 seccond lol
God I love adc meta, they can build ANYTHING and oneshot you from half a screen away, but its fine because they are supposed to die easily (WHICH THEY DONT ANYMORE) but hey adc is weak because the dps role cannot 1v1 assassins and bruisers
@@odinxrk1424i mean there are only 3 adcs that are strong
@@amin2957 so? Adc is literally the easiest role to swap champs, just don't play non meta champs if you wanna win
@@odinxrk1424 As an ADC main, I hate the durability update with a burning passion
Think most of the other changes are debatable, but the death timers are horrible. Midlane prolly suffers the most from this, but in toplane it's a horror as well. It was already possible to solo kill someone lvl 2-4 and actually be behind all things considered, because you didn't manage to setup the wave properly before they TP back in and are stronger.
4s doesn't change shit
@@dislexyc For sure bronzie
@@dislexyc you are dumb
@dislexyc when death timers lvl 4 is like 16 sec and u remove 4, that's 25% decrease. (Hopfully now that I did basic maths for u, u can understand how it means alot)
@@dislexyc Isnt tp a 4 second cast time? Maybe now you understand
Yamato is right tbh. TP is really really op and now they buffed durability of early Doran's items and you basically wait for your supp/jungle to make a play and react to it.
ye but this shit is still league better than pre durability assassin meta qiyanna with only dirk killing full hp people with no minions on 100% under tower in half her combo while being even in lane.
@@zezanje1this was never the case for more than one patch LOL
@@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERSLOL it forsure was.... that and gp oneshotting with prowlers
@@MrYoujordan 2 passives is still enough to kill a bruiser
@@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS you either havent played the game last year or you are trolling
Man, the "you cant steal as much jungle camps anymore cause its harder" hits hard, i have a playstyle of making big waves then either roaming or invading to take camps if theres no window to roam, and now it takes a lot longer so i risk losing the wave that will bounce back to me, its so boring to stay stuck in lane.
Can pretty much only take camps if you play a hydra champ or something like garen with good aoe :')
i feel like this could very easily be fixed for most players by removing the tankiness from enemy camps while keeping it for your own jungler. Win lane, push out, take enemy raptors etc so you're able to actually punish the enemies that way
5.3k hp scuttle crabs :)
@@oxey_ yeah that sounds really playable for jg actually!
@@winturs2201 that was already the case for the last at least 5 years lol it did not make the role unplayable at all
i dont even comprehend what riot is doing. it's like they're constantly decreasing the number of ways you can gain an advantage in this game, so ur just sitting there pve'ing and then teamfighting. what even is the point of early game if not for good players to gain an advantage over less good players?
If riot wanted early game advantage to be instawin they'd just make games end after 5 minutes. Having a slower game is not the same as early game being pointless.
@@JustForGaming_Alt-kf8lzyou missed the entire video… They removed like 70% of ways to get ahead
It's just that it's very hard to balance it. Either it's hard snowball meta or it's scale meta, both being incredibly unfun to play. Some people don't want to lose a game because another laner solo lost a game in 10 minutes. Riot just can't balance between the two but maybe it gets better after item rework next season.
@@tapewoerm THIS. If snowball meta is around, you lose control the second some guy gets some out of pocket kills, if its scaling meta, you can try to end fast but if you dont u just watch ur team fall apart and die to syndra ori
The game has been super snowbally since a long time. There was a reason why teh games had like a 95% prediction rate for w/l at 10 mins
I feel like having to consider not killing someone in lane when you actually could, because it would result in a weird wave state (which cannot be fixed with 4 seconds lower deathtimer) isnt a very good game design. Esspecially if you want to play with Ignite.
I was playing a game yesterday where I killed enemy jg topside with a counter-gank about 20s before drag spawned. Old patch, we have drag advantage because I just back and have tempo and gold on them. New patch, WE LOSE DRAG BECAUSE THE ENEMY JG DIED TOPSIDE. They had to wait like 5s to respawn and walk straight there. While I had to get to safety and then back, both things together taking a total of 10-15s depending. So because I killed the enemy jungler, they had a 5-10s lead on me. Add in their laners actually rotating to an obj, and I unironically lost a dragon because I killed the enemy jg topside. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE RIOT!
You have no idea, the death timer shit is just as impactful for junglers, Briar takes red side and level 3 ganks bot, I'm pathing top and the moment I see her I roll into her blue, the issue is that it's Briar, and Briar loves inting, so what happens is she gets smoked by my Caitlyn for free, gets 350 gold from 3 camps meaning long sword, gets an instant recall, gets full HP, and NOW runs to her blue whilst I'm holding my dick in my hand half HP doing exactly the same amount of camps she did.
So from their jungler feeding my AD for free I have 3 options, take her blue and get double scuttled/invaded myself by the now stronger jungle, forsake her blue and take my side cowering from the now stronger jungler, and... Risk my life in the hopes of taking scuttle away from the now stronger jungler, also fucking up my rotation in the process, all of these end up in a net loss for me, but not my Caitlyn I guess, yay.
It's an absolute mess.
@@JustShotsForMehnah man that’s not true, you have enough time for her blue, gromp, and scuttle top side especially if your laner can rotate. If you can’t take blue and scuttle then you made a mistake in clearing or wasted time. (Or I mean you are a jungler like maokai then yea you just hard lose every scenario).
Really depends on your champ though.
@@143tg Shit, you could make the argument you can take wolves blue and MAYBE squeeze out gromp just barely and get smoked, my point being this is not an advantage, you got 2 of her camps, yay! Now you recall/die to her on your side if you even manage to clear anything and not die to your camps, regardless you lose 2 camps of your own, chickens red and with top prio she might even take your golems easier than you would have taken gromp regardless of your prio, you fixed her rotation perfectly whilst messing up yours.
You fix her rotation
You fuck up your rotation
You give away the stronger buff
You waste time with the weaker buff
You risk top checking/coming
You risk mid checking/coming
You're weaker
You can't gank afterwards
You can't counter gank afterwards
The funny bit? In all of this foray you're better off executing on one of the tier 2's than recalling!!!
All of this is in the context of their jungler running it down bot, being unable to punish that properly is fucking absurd, it makes the role so training-wheeled, at least I don't deal 20% less damage to her side now, copium.
@@JustShotsForMeh well you get 3 counting scuttle, yea sure it’s not a complete advantage, but at worst you go equal. You are actually more net positive since she has to invade your red side, you seem to think she can just go there unpunished and win. Like in your thinking she already has your red side, which honestly is just not true. Her having a long sword advantage over you does not mean she can just invade you on that side without repercussions.
Champions cannot just go and create pressure. You aren’t necessarily weaker either, it entirely depends on the champion you play, some champions are more gold efficient and can beat other despite missing an extra 10ad from longsword.
Also what makes you think you can’t gank or counter gank, the champ doesn’t just become invincible after buying a long sword. You also don’t mess up your clear rotation, since you can always just go bot after recall and shake hands on an even trade (technically net positive since your cait got a kill)
It’s hard as these are theoretical with no real context of game or lane states, instead it’s just assuming the context happens. Which by that logic you could apply to any scenario. If you got a vod or vid then that would be better to review.
Overall I get your point that you are trying to make, it’s just not a very good one as it just gets countered by basic jungle fundamentals. If this was really the case why don’t we see more high elo junglers, especially ones that can red side 3 camp clear faster, doing this more often and executing to towers.
(Also briar would go buy Doran’s blade not long sword, and to counter that you would just do the similar 3 camp into back buy)
All this again depends on champ since if you are maokai yea you are going to have a much harder time
Plus this isn’t even counting laners, which can be swing 50/50 but they aren’t just not in your games
Agree 100% on syndra, she needs her mana costs doubled. No champion should be able to spam their abilities constantly missing and still win lane without trying.
bruh taking the mana away wont stop her from holding enough for R and outskilling you anyway
But it will require her to USE her R for it.@@yourstigma1213
Neither of you understand how Syndra works and it shows lol
hi, i main syndra and i am a pdf file.
Same with Orianna.
Yamato is right. Tarzaned made a point that all of these changes are adc buffs bc it allows them to get to their auto win con much safely
Adc is the worst role in the game and has the least impact on it.... Not the issue at all
@@Digger-Nick Kapp, bot lane is the most impactful role cait jinx n karthus are S tier bot laners this patch and have crazy high impact
@@Jace9IX Karthus yes because he can die and still cast spells.
Cait and Jinx are still in the same spot they have been for months.
Adc is ENTIRELY team reliant and completely support reliant just to lane, that is NOT "high impact" lmao. Find better coping mechanisms troll
@@Digger-Nick I hate this argument. Everybody is team reliant, Fiora with Hullbreaker is team reliant, AD is the most submissive role that rewards you once you're submissive enough, with all of that said, the rewards for just farming and going into mid game with your support duo makes you the strongest duo in the game bar none, your scaling is the strongest bar none, your resource value is the strongest bar none.
Do you know how many Kai'Sa games were in this patch? 13.20?
1.2 mill. With a whopping 23% pick rate and 12% ban rate.
Do you know how many Fiora games, the tippy top of tops, being a fucking S+++ with a 56% WR Masters+ has? 230k.
Your role is not weak, your role is the most impactful role in the game along with jungle, (Coming from a jungle main), and that is only because I as the jungler have the easiest time making YOU and your healy roamy companion more impactful than you already are.
@@Digger-Nick So delusional. Jungle and ADC have been the most impactful roles for a long time. And the jg is impactful by making your adc win.
The Caitlyn part reminded me of a certain Caitlyn lover who made a vid about how things changed, found the oneshots funny but ultimately left the game.
you mean FsnSaber?
Okay but saber is delusional as fuck
And issue with this is that its very clearly fro. The perspective of "i want to pick early game champ and auto-invalidate the existence of anything else once i get first blood"
12:25 honestly a mentality people need to have more. Play if you want to or get out if you feel like it's worthless.
Makes no sense. Your favourite video game is dying because of catastrophic management ? WeLl StOp wHiNiNG aNd PlaY SomEThInG ElSe ! Distract yourself with something similar, I don't know ?! Who cares ? Your favourite potato chips are cutting the quality of potatoes to get more profit, while raising the price ? JUST GET THE SUBBRAND ! Your favourite movie saga is getting STRETCHED TO DEATH to extract to the last drop of profit through netflix and merch (not even talking about quality) ? IT'S NOT FOR YOU, GO WATCH SOMETHING ELSE !
Do people enjoy being scammed ? Being ridiculed, being taken for actually retarded zombies whose only thought is to consume ????
In this case we're talking about high elo players who have most of the time invested much into the game, Yamato can't just quit his livelyhood by not playing league anymore for example.
Yeah but he playes a video game for a job. Lets be honest here its not like he is being tortured in a coal mine. He could just make fun content and clear his mentality be less toxic, but he dosent. He keeps grinding and complaning. He has complained every single session about every single thing...@@jensrozema2847
@jensrozema2847 if it's your livelihood, then adapt and play what is good. For every normal job, sometimes you just have to do things even if you don't enjoy it. Why should LoL as a job be any different ?
Idk whether the changes are good or not, but "i don't like it" is not enough reason to change it.
He says you can play only a certain way now. Every normal job has these phases where you can do things only a certain way for some time.
maybe cause they play for a long time they know that old league was way better , adapting as a person who earns money to play is right but doesnt make that you need to accept the interactive meta or smh like that
Even Jhin 4th shot doesn't oneshot there :D
There's been a few times where I feel like I kill an enemy and they walk to lane so fast it catches me off guard, death timers being shortened even more doesn't make sense to me at all
as far as bott lane goes, you often even get fucked by that, you 2v2 killed the enemy bott, but you're low on hp and mana and your wave is now slow pushing, there's no way for you to shove it, you legit end up behind in xp, it feels absolutely dogshit every time
Wont lie to you, i gave up solo killing in the early game with kata and play her with tp and pray for a random fight bot to get kills and hopefully be able to get more gold than the one that i lost
@@hehexd5317this happens in every lane now it sucks
@@lemonscentedgames3641 top and mid have the luxury of taking TP though, unless you're playing a mage bott, you need ghost/cleanse and flash, it happens in the solo lanes, but it's not quite as pronounced there, while it's very obvious bott
if you look at caits items, at lv 18 she has 18 lethality from collector, 18 from axiom, 36 from yoummus (yes including the stacked passive), for a total of 72 lethality, plus the 30% pen from LDR, and since 30% deducts first before the lethality you take his 110 armor and deduct the 30% which leaves him at 77 armor, then deduct the lethality, oh, now its down to 5 armor, NOT 110, but people don't take that into account.. So cait at this stage is doing practically true damage to him thus the 'one shot'
Also, it was a 60% crit, also it was a headshot. The only was she could have dealt more damage is with a trap. Talon has like mathematically perfect armor for this oneshot.
@@doublereel-real so what the adc should not even deal 1k dmg from an autoattack let alone 2.7k
Every time i think of a reason to take the game seriously, I have one more reason not to
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You should never take league seriously, it's a game, play for fun
@@Lin_Nascimentotbf the game moves a LOT of money, so getting good at it, even if it's got the same odds as seeing a chicken with jordans, it can happen. And the better you are at it the more chances you get of seeing the chicken.
cringe@@BayCyst
thats why im just waiting for arena again
how is his twitch chat arguing about fairness that a caitlyn (marksman champ) 1 shots another character on 700+ range rightclick? xD
It's a lethality problem, not a cait problem.
where tf did you see a caitlyn oneshot somebody? you are like 6-8 patches behind or something?
@@Sarubotai nah bro I think you're the one who hasnt caught up.. literally watch any synapse video from the last 4 days
@@Sarubotai ...? bro... youre the guy whos behind lol
@@Sarubotaiclueless
Its like every single person in his twitch chat has mental issues
This is what happens when you NPC friendly like nemesis
There Is a purple man, a melee ap assassin tbh, that is very strong due to this changes and is very good against meta midlaners like Syndra, Ori, ahri and vex, i think Yamato should give him a try
MOTS
What champ do you mean
Kassadin@@chrisbla5145
MOOTS
Jinx OP
Cait OP
Ekko buffed repeatedly
Arcane season 2 promo
lol
jinx is the only good adc crit user, cait is meh
@@Arejen03 Cap
@@walkelftexasranger he said crit user, Cait is broken on lethality
I mean, I both agree and disagree with the post. I agree in the sense that death timers are bad, I agree that they have overbuffed some mages by nerfing keystones and I agree TP mid is just horrible as an interaction in general. However the person who made the post plays primarily assassins, who I have little sympathy for because the whole point of an Assassin is literally, snowball get uber fed solo the game for your team and only stop scaling towards the late game at which point the lead you bought far outweighs the scaling you get from a mage midlane as realistically you can end the game in 20 minutes or less with a fed assassin mid lane. I have seen entire teams be carried by, Kata, Talon and Zed rather one sidedly in most solo que games. But I haven't seen Oriana and Syndra solo carry as much, in fact I see more Cassio and Vex when it comes to mid mages just out pacing the entire team.
But again this is my experience his is probably different, I still don't feel an ounce of sympathy for assassins but hey lets be generous and see, if they giving everyone an enhanced Doran's item why don't assassins get one too? Because Doran's blade feels more like an adc item. So maybe Riot can put their heads together and give an early game lethality item with maybe giving additional bounty after their first kill to reward them playing aggressively if they want to keep the mages power without making assassins unfun to play as.
On early lvls I can't get a kill top because when I do, it's impossible to get the wave pushed in on time and they just tp back and pull a freeze (I'm not running tp).
Yeah it's disgusting. Had a game few days ago, where I was playing Riven ignite vs Voli tp. I kill him lvl 1 and was left with like 25% hp and then voli tpes back to lane into permafreeze. When you comeback to lane he's lvl 3 to your lvl 2, so your item advantage doesn't matter. Also enemy jungled pathing top, so I basicly lost lane because I killed my opponent, cool game!
How to deal with that? The way I see the solution for this problem is checking how many minions you have to clear before all it. Even if you have kill opportunity, but you have to shove the whole wave while you're super low, it's not worth it. Or just run tp
I’m genuinely convinced it’s better to let them live and force a recall than solo kill now
i've seen a post like this basically every year for the last 8 years minimum, league players like drowning in self pitty
the only problem with yamato statement is that:
he complains he can't 1vs9
his entire argument is centered around him wanting to win against his opponent in lane, and then just win the entire game out of it alone
it's not fun for the game, it's only fun for the single player that plays mid with the assassin and just wins, that's what he finds fun
all his points are centered around making only his role good, not about how it interacts with the rest of the game
An idea on the tp issue.
What if there was a 15 second timer on to after death, so you can’t win lane after dying simply cuz of one summoner
everyone in nemesis chat has brain lag or something
They always are 😂
I think that's just twitch in general tbh, maybe watching something live just rots your braincells away temporarily. They were actually trying to defend a caitlyn doing 2600 dmg with 1 auto LMAO
kinda off topic but why did he do no bans while saying Ori and Synd are op right now and then dodge cause the other guy picked Ori, coulda saved the LP and time.
heres the thing tho, im pisslow and midlane is still boring and unfun. this isnt even catering to new players its just killing the game for everyone
just play op champ in low elo
midlane is the most fun, try playing top lane LOL, bot lane is fun too because adcs are usually braindead.
@@xecyc7951 Right now Top lane is more fun than Mid lane, which just shows how unfun Mid lane really is.
@@xecyc7951top lane is easily more fun and interactive compared to mid rn lol
@@xecyc7951 hard disagree but that just my opinion. I prefer to play champs like kat that just get oppressed by constant mage picks in midlane. plus with the new rune changes looking for anything in the early game just feels impossible. im sure abusing oriana and syndra feels really good for a couple games but those champs feel stale asf to me. honestly top lane is alot more fun because it feels like i can do things. and adc is just aggravating because sup role exists
i got called crazy when i said they buff certain champs before worlds *cough* lee as well
Even for casual players like myself this game is going to shit. It doesnt feel competitive because the skill basd gameplay from it has gone away so much. Honestly jst been playing 1 game a day then hopping on another game for past few months
Same smh
Quick tip!
Whenever u watch a stream highlight cover chat or dont read a single message if u dont want brain damage.
The main source of this problem is the constant low elo delusion that "mages are weak" because they don't post huge kill numbers every game like assassin players often do. This "weakness" has never been represented in winrate, or in competitive play where they have been practically mandatory mid picks for the past god knows how many seasons of pro. It's the content creation scenes fault as well, because they promote the 1v9 hard carry playstyle as the only way to escape low elo, when it reality it's the reason low elo is such a cluster fuck of main characters with no understanding of the fundamentals of the game.
High elo mage players complained about lack of variety in AP items.
Reddit caught onto it and somehow twisted it from ''lack of AP item variety'' into ''AP items weak''.
Now guess who did Riot listen to? :D
@@walkelftexasranger I also think the complaint is pointless to begin with, because it's not the items fault that mage is boring, since the champions are boring themselves. Everyone has a blast playing AP Kaisa using the exact same mage items, simply because the kit is more interesting and modern
Nah but its literally unplayable for us because we dont have itemisation, imo the only way to make mages even slightly viable is to give us ap deaths dance, ap hullbreaker. Buff zhonyas too make it 2600 gold like it used to be
@@nysticalzs6312 zhonyas needs to be removed from the game
Huge difference between something being fun and fair or being strong. ADC has a similar problem to where they are gods if played around and properly peeled for but a litteral canon minion if not turbo fedd and your teamates dont care about you in teamfights. Mages are very strong but are very boring to play both due to the mobility creep in the game and the lack of diversity in items. At the end of the day the casuals make up about 95% of the playerbase and League is a GAME which are supposed to be fun for the absolute majority of the players. It isnt right or fair to balance around proplay and master+ players only and for the past few seasons fun and fair in soloQ has been way too sidelined for the benefit of esports.
**Doesn't ban** **1 min later** "I'm not playing into Ori" BRUH
The thing about balancing for the majority is that balance doesn't matter for the majority.
In low elo, player skill always outweighs game balance. We seem to care about balance a lot, but we can't even pilot our main champions remotely correctly.
The death timer being shortened was excused as 'I die and the enemy is 2 levels above till I get back'
Aka 'I'm too bad at the game and died, now I have no chance, so I'll pay for skins so they listen to me'
Just nerf TP by giving a penalty CD every time you die. Eg; 4-5 Secs to make sure the losing laners can't tp instantly as they respawn.
went 4-0 against sion and i couln't push forward due to his 7K hp and couldn't leave lane bc he would take all the towers. He had tp so any earlygame death was neutral for him. Spent 20 minutes clearing the wave before he decided to tank tower and deal 2k damage with demolish proc. I didn't win the game.
Sounds like you grossly mismanaged your waves or just stood there and fed him Heartsteel stacks. It takes Sion like 40 fucking minutes to get to 7k HP.
You did something horrendously wrong.
80% of games vs sion are just so insanely frustrating to me, feels like it doesn‘t matter 1% how hard I shit on him in lane he just has plot armor
@@seligaprv8669 I realized we lost cuz we were full AD. I could gap close but I have to chase sion cuz he has too much armor
4 - 0 against sion especially in low elo is not alot bro ucarry by farming inters
@@ChromeKnight26Yeah the full AD was a bad idea tbh
the worst feeling about this patch is just
laners can't really push their leads to win lanes with all the anti-snowball changes
while simultaneously
JG has turned into a clusterfuck mess where if one of them gets put behind they're simply just stuck in the dirt and it ends up a 4v5. Now yeah you can't get snowballed to infinity...but your jungler can, and once it happens he ain't coming back.
You should niot be able to 1v5 run down the enemy team just because you got an early kill, and are now allowed to force bigger leads. it s extremely toxic game design
Laners can still push their leads. I don't understand why so many whiny content creators see a nerf to snowballing (which has been ultra toxic so far) and they act like you can't get a lead anymore.
Killing the enemy laner on offense nets you 300 gold, 125 for a plate and they lose at least one wave, worth around 120 gold on average in the early game. We're looking at a 550 gold lead (plus the exp the enemy is losing) on one kill.
But no, if the first kill doesn't straight up win you the game and allow you to 1v9, the game is bad apparently. I'm so tired of all these mid laners getting one kill and then stat checking everyone because they don't need to play well anymore. It's just boring
Change every time he said mid with top and every meta mid champ with one of the ever meta toplanes like malph or riven and you got yourself the toplane experience since season 9
dont think thats a problem, cait oneshoting. She has full build even sold boots. Talon has no armor. Her passive shot makes her deal doulbe dmg so yeah. Every other adc would hit for 1,3k. And the thing is isnt like Talon would do the same thing to her if she didnt aa first. He would have even went stealth after and ran away. Syndra would do the same to cait, Taliyah would oneshot her Zyra woulde oneshot her. Just Jhin maybe not lol... adcs get oneshot since 10 years from everything even tanks.
20:43 also you can kinda hide her W animation by casting Q and W at the same time
Yamato may be annoying but his points are legit . They murdered 80% of the assasin class this patch
As they needed to, so an overall positive change
@@fuwamiusagi Assassins were already the worst class and Riot just straight up removed it because ADC players were still crying about them.
hows he annoying hes top notch entertainment
@@fuwamiusagi smartest ahri femboy
@@walkelftexasranger yeah good
Basically make it impossible to tp before 3 min and game is better since taking risks to get an early kill would be rewarded (plates couldn't be taken anyway but you would at least make them lose a wave or two)
true it feels impossible to play assassins for the past few patches. when safe scaling mages are meta combined with tank engage junglers it's impossible to have an impact on the game with a majority of midlaners. you can't roam because of lane sustain and teleport and you can't play aggressive because even if you get a kill they will just teleport back and out-tempo so you just have to stay by your tower. your best bet is just to play someone who can teamfight in the mid and lategame or you're fucked.
Yeah it's as if league was designed to play different champs through different metas and not one truck something then complain about it
@@ForzaOwnzbro since when was it designed this way?? Good otps usualy just kept on playing their champ but now they just kill some champs and overtune others
@@ForzaOwnz ah yes they should pick from the vast champ pool that are now meta and pick or ban on mid (3 champs). Don't get me wrong I like control mages but a couple of years ago we had control mage meta and there was a lot of trading and skill expression in lane, now you just queue up, push then hug tower and hope you outscale/get carried by 30 minutes, end game, queue up, do the same
@@andyyy1094you know what now as I just recalled the first disgusting meta control mage that was actually pick to win was morgana. At that time glacial could proc off auto, and you could first time morgana mid auto someone slow them and hit a guaranteed Q. In those patches you could see a morgana in 9/10 games if i rmb unless its banned
@@ForzaOwnz Iron level take, the game is designed so that you can play what you want.
Sure there is a meta but that shouldn't make a class of champions unplayable
18:00 This is just misunderstanding math. Cait has two sources of naturally multiplicatively stacking damage crit and headshot (which itself also scales directly with crit). Lethality is also multiplicative because of how armor is calculated (this is exacerbated by ldr). Cait also has 6 items worth of AD. The past lethality-crit champs like aphelios, GP and draven all can do something similar to this. GP and cait just have the highest, one-instance, damage possibility due to their kits (gp barrel armour ignore vs cait headshot crit amp). Complaining about the damage is kind of missing the forest for the trees because the larger question is why she was able to itemize like this and succeed and the answer is the aforementioned changes to jungle and changes that slowed down game pace. Additionally, Ashe nullified the counter matchup of jhin zyra and ivern neuters talon.
It's either assasins are meta and the average game time is 20 minutes or scaling is meta and the games have less variance (and can be boring). The pendulum swings back and forth..... Somehow I feel like you won't see him complaining again when Akshan and talon are back to 100-0ing you at lvl 2.
I didn't see a single person that is happy with riots decisions
We are here
To be fair no one is ever happy playing League
he said he dodges because he wont play vs ori but he´s not banning her ....
Phreak is emotional balancing at this point. The game is a disgusting state right now and there has been ZERO words from anyone about the current meta. Ivern and rammus sitting at 54% winrate, ori syndra being pick/ban every game in mid lane, Jinx being disgustingly overpowered after her absurd buffs (Who woulda seen that coming????), and support still being support. Dorans items are basically mythics now because selling them even in mid game isn't worth. The jungle changes kill any sort of proactive gameplay since both junglers are either playing tank junglers or supoprt junglers. Death timers being reduced early game is idiotic, now when I kill jungle, they can be back to their camp by the time I get there, and the exact points for top or mid. There is 0 punishments for making mistakes, and in fact you are actually REWARDED for making mistakes. Disgusting company, disgusting game state since phreak joined the team.
Yes, it's happens after big patches always. 1-3 patches later most problem will be fix
u prob play bruisers
@@islixxn I play everything. This patch is miserable to play.
@@jsadow6999 I doubt it, phreak has made it his duty to balance the game around his desires which do not align with anyone but the sheep who believe every word he says. It only gets worse from here.
Dude this patch was massive, of course there'll be unforeseen results, give them time to cook
Any game around masters if i ban syndra i play vs ori, if i ban ori i play vs syndra, i dont want to be forced to play a long range champ like xerath every game just to survive/soft counter my lane opponent, or have to play 1 of them to have a somewhat enjoyable game, if 1 of those champs hits me with any ability im taking 50 damage from runes and i cant trade back or outpush them, and then they outscale me, riot is so shit.
his chat trying to justify that caitlyn OS is the dumbest thing i've seen xD
Dorans shield is so strong tho, like its pointless to point them because they'll end up being higher hp
i suck at mid but climb with neeko just playing for my jungler, idk if that should be rewarded or not but showing up to all crabs and running into enemy jungler with my graves seems to just be free wins
i'm okay with an assassin full combo oneshotting me (except lvl 6 no items zed, fuck that champ), makes sense. It's what they're designed to do. Not a huge fan of being oneshot by an adc or assassins becoming ad casters.
Playing as an assassin mid: solo killed enemies oriana at lv3, have 20% hp left.
Ori: Did you think the lane is over? Yes, but for you (laughs in tp with full hp and lane priority)
pretty sure half the champs just take first strike and they only nerfed that with 1% less damage.
i’ve always hated that electrocute was changed in the way it procs because half the champs that took TLD couldn’t take electrocute effectively anymore
Nah but nemesis chat is trying so hard to not give yamato the point its crazy
i must say i miss the old casual days where litteraly everybody and his grandmother where playing league and nobody cared about rank and you perma queued with friends flex queue
doesnt ban anyone, and then dodges when orianna is picked lmao
Guy doesn't ban. Gets to counterpick ori. And still complains and dodges
I love getting into solo queue knowing that me consistently wining lane is no longer enough to impact the game. You either have to hard fist 10-0 into making enemy toplaner rage quit or its a bot lane coin flip. Good laning and knowing match ups feels so unrewarding compared to highroling meta adc player who is even in lane and can play teamfights. I find that the only way to climb playing top is to otp fiora perma split full mute. least amount of fun i have had in years. Even if im winning more compared to prior splits.
Thats just toplane in solo queue its incredibly hard to have a major impact on games especially low elo where no one cares about the lane.
Harsh Reality: you shouldn t be allowed to solo carry a game just because you got 2 or 3 solokills it s still a team game.
@@tremendoshd2356 Yes you should. You cant controll your team mates but you can controll yourself. The less power you have to impact the game consistently the more of a flip it is. Get counterpicked since the ziggs support is jerking off and refuses to give last pick. - 22 lp and 45 min xdd. If im 60 cs up with 3-4 solo kills and still not able to prevent a complete collapse since our adc thinks jhin looks cool and picks him into 4 tanks then behaves like a subhuman. Something is wrong, not saying every time you win lane = win game. But the controll mage + lethality adc meta means its all decided in bot and jungle.
@@christianandersson4345nah, bro
@@christianandersson4345 Not for how much agency you have over your lane, in league we have trade offs between agency and impact, adcs for instance are given a sizeable amount of impact but arent given agency to achieve it on their own. Though support kind of breaks that rule
“It’s impossible to solo kill in mid” ask APA that lmaoo
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As an ADC main, an assassin should one shot with full combo unless he is super far behind.
The issue before durability patch was that assassins oneshot with one ability when down or even in gold.
But now the champs are just straight up garbage tier, it is insane ngl.
As an assassin main I agree, I play zed mostly and will concede that going WEQ auto and only hitting 1 of each ability killing the adc is a little much. But when a fed adc kills me in 2 autos, it's a little bit ridiculous. Or the fact that I have to build full bruiser to not become useless late game is annoying.
as an assassin main who played from s3 i dont think they should one shot and they couldn't before but now if they dont they die in 0.0001s and are full useless. before assassin dident oneshit but it was fine because no one oneshooted them ether
@@sinaa9315 wdym b4 durability patch a kha’zix or kayn that was even in xp and gold would 100 to 0 me in one ability.
They should execute someone with a full combo unless they are super fed, agree that assassins are bad rn but to say that they couldnt oneshot b4 is simply not true.
@@Polareon bro i said s3
@@sinaa9315You're thinking way too far back, S3 and earlier were the good times where everything being tanky was fine.
Orianna is just banned every single game at worlds. The only place you get to see her is the pick and ban phase.
As an Orianna otp I agree on most things, when riot started buffing Ori I felt like the buffs were unnecessary (especially dmg buffs, Ori does not lack damage at all). Now she indirectly got buffed through lost chapter gold change, tp changes, dorans ring changes (and she can also go summon aery but I still prefer phase rush on her tbh). Imo Syndra is still stronger but ofc people are gonna be more biased towards the champ they play more (I play more Orianna and Nemesis more Syndra), so I don't think there is a point in debating who of those champs is stronger when they are both in a very similar state. I'm glad Viktor is out of meta, it was horrible playing against this champ. 1 thing I'd like to add is that assassins were dominating the meta for a very long time and now they got the nerf they needed, it doesn't justify Ori and Syndra being this strong but assassin players shouldn't cry about it since they had like 5 seasons for themselves while mages got left behind.
You could always win into assassins as mages you just actually needed hands like they did. The only real no counter play assassins were zed (never balanced since it’s release) and the most Chinese Qiyanas
@@orangutanenthusiast5631 Yeah Qiyana was a whole other kind of broken, the moment she gets level 6 you're one shot from full hp while under your tower with 0 counterplay.
Give tp +1 min cd when used on nonstructure targets. It used to have longer cd like that, but I think it was more like “reduced original cd on tower tp”. It should be like base line on towers, but longer on minions and wards
I feel like the TP can easily be nerfed, put a deathtimer on it. 5-10 seconds would immediately after death would instantly remove the issue of not being punished for death. Problem is that this only really means something to high elo, low elo will never have the same problem
tbh i feel like this would be a good change. doesnt matter if it doesnt affect low elo too, bcz it isnt op in low elo since they arent using these tactics correctly, and if they are then they will soon climb out of low elo
it def means a lot for low elo. You don't think people know how to manipulate waves in plat and emerald?
thats not low elo, thats more middle elo, the vast majority are under gold@@unityman3133
@@unityman3133plat and emerald are mid elo not low elo
@@unityman3133 Plat and emerald its like around 28% of the player base, that's not low elo. Low elo is gold and below which is around 67%~ of the player base.
*doesnt utilize ban mechanic*
*dodges game because he doesnt want to play into orianna*
*complains ori and syndra are broken*
*two bans unused on team*
*dodge*
??????
He bans nobody but dodges when he goes against Orianna?
complaining about with tunnelvision for mid lane also complaining because i play assassins i wanna kill eksdekdedede, btw they nerfed malzahar to the ground since forever because it was the bigpapa counter to any assassin.
One thing I'll admit is Riot needs to put another objective for winning teams. Just give them something to do besides split pushing and duo farming enemy jungle creeps lol.
Agree, I have gave up playing anything but Illaio hullbreaker top, sitting side lane all game and winning with zero skill expression. Its fun for me but actually unplayable for enemy team, such a horrible state. First remove hull, then buff towers, then make xp gain less overall, so you are punished less for roaming.
I was a mid main in season 1-5, back when you had to fight for it in chat like it was blind pick, I remember when lvl 3 ignite first blood fight decided the lane. I don't play mid anymore, but the few times I got autofilled, it is completely impossible. Riot is essentially trying to push mid back to older seasons when farming 200 before 20 mins is more important than kills and roaming. Logically it's counter intuitive because if you're going to get 300 gold from minions or 300 gold from roaming, you will choose roaming. First choice don't do anything except continue your supposed growth, while the 2nd choice ensures enemy gets into an disadvantage. The game has went from "Looking to have an advantage" to "Cause disadvantage for enemy", which in itself is bad because the comeback mechanics mean you lose more than you gain if you're ahead in experience and get killed.
The take on vel is such a midlaner/assasin players take. As a tank/bruiser player I love when he just press Q+Ult and deal 3k damage and 1k is true
no clue how to fix tp but jg/supp impact can be easily fixed with a big MS nerf making support roams slower and ganks taking longer
kaisa building ultimate bravery every game and it just works😂😂
But this isn't true? They're all going the same dumb AP build that evolves their Q and if their team has multiple AP then they just get outplayed by the shopkeeper.
I have no idea how you can argue that Cait doing 2.6k damage in 1 auto is ok. Doesn't matter if he didn't build armor items 2.6k hp AA is stupid asf, his chat is something else.
Should a level 18 Caitlyn not do damage? She was probably lethality as well. Why should assassins never get outscaled? I agree with Kai sa "W" being a bs hitbox and visual.
>get outscaled?
There a bit difference between "get outscaled" and "Have no chance to do any damage WITH using your F". If assasin cant kill bad position adc he not outscaled he useless. Imagine u as adc go to 700range tank and instant die to sunfire. So u outscaled.
@@Achilleus-e1t The talon had 44 minutes to buy Plated Steelcaps, Guardian Angel or any other armor item and he would've survived that auto and had enough damage to overkill the Caitlyn even through Ivern shield. Instead, the only durability Talon bought was 625 bonus hp from elixir of iron and shroud. He lost most of that before engaging on Caitlyn meaning he had as close to 0 durability as he could possibly have, versus a Caitlyn with as close to as much damage as she could possibly have. (Baron, Elder, Red Elixir, 6 full AD items with no attack speed, Headshot passive, Energized, Ardent Censer, Lethality after dashing with E, etc.)
Talon was useless because he itemized poorly. Otherwise he would've deleted this Caitlyn. That's not to mention the other 44 minutes of the match he could've played better to avoid reaching this very specific scenario.
this is fkng what I ranted about yesterday in chat that I got restricted. there is no reason to play aggressively anymore everyone gets a noob fail-safe/ bounty / death timer /exp catch up/ minion buffs etc.
Riot is implementing 2 different concepts to maintain a single game.
everyone likes watching pro lay but nobody likes to play like pro play.
In top is happening the same thing, there's champions like Illaoi, Sion, Trynda, Malphite,Garen and even Nasus that can just play DShield+Second Wind, and eventually they are gonna be unstoppable. Of these, Illaoi is for sure the most broken, i wouldn't be surprised if they picked these champions in high level play.
in dota they have huge death timers with the ability to buy back for alot of gold (for latgame) and u can buy TP scrolls mby that would be a good change remove TP sum and add a 200-500g Item that lets u tp mby limit use per game or CD
Ive been saying this for the longest time. Mid is the most resident sleeper role in the game. U can play anything mid and survive and just scale. When u see Nasus having a higher winrate mid than top when mid in fact has more ranged champs than top, it should indicate something is very wrong somewhere.
A lot of the midlane players in high elo are horribly elo inflated. Just this year for example, I peaked 800LP playing my mid only smurf which is double my top main account. Mid isnt even my 2nd best role.
? Nasus mid has a better win rate because he has infinitely better match ups mid. 3 points in E with comet+scorch+manaflow means you probably outpoke the mage that has ZERO sustain and even if are slightly behind early, you can run down any mage with ghost+ulti after sheen.
Also, mages can't really poke him out after a point (passive sustain) and also can't burst him if he his ulti. Like post 6 Syndra has to literally sit on her E all game because if she ever used it aggressively and misses she loses her flash since Nasus can and will just wither her and run her down since she's probably already hovering half health due to the constant E poke.
@@amethonys2798 Clueless
ADCs are doing too much burst damage, while having literal tank stats. Add an enchanter into the mix, and they're practically unkillable outside of pro play. Don't believe me? Go into practice tool and level any marksman to lvl 18 and any tank to lvl 18. Notice their hp, base armor, and base mr are basically the same.
ADC mains cried so hard for so long, that now every marksman is a tank while doing 20-30% more damage than they did in season 8. At the same time, assassins were nerfed aggressively in every single season after season 8. They have less one-shot potential, less CDR, way less base stats (squishy). So marksmen were relentlessly buffed, and their class-counter was relentlessly nerfed. What a shock Cait 1-shots Talon in a single auto. Who could have seen this coming?
adcs are the most babied roll in the entire game. They cry over every inconvenience while simultaneously being the biggest factor in if your team wins or not in teamfights. They position like bruisers and die instantly and cry about balance, I think it's just a fundamental misunderstanding of their own role in game design
Insane how my "Wrong, bad, Plat opinions" almost always get echoed by far better players that other players find a way to agree with. This patch has been catastrophic to the longevity or enjoyment of the game, and I think it marks my time to step away until the actually change things to where playing well is rewarded
Maybe make ignite a snowball spell? Like if you kill the target during ignite, it gets like 15-30% of it's cd refunded to punish tp users more and make late game champs scaling time harder
Remove tp fixes that. Shouldn't be allowed to get prio from a death.
@@Dentas137 *wins a fight toplane. Tries to shove wave out to enemy tower. Enemy TP's within 12 seconds because why not. Get lane locked. Gets killed*
@@Soul-ti5yb The wave movement speed doesn't help either. Champs that coule barely shove and crash now can't cause the wave moves too fast.
@@Dentas137 make waves less important, increase tp cooldown, make kills give 400 gold instead of 300, revert death timer changes, make unskilled champions weaker, make skilled champions stronger, revert bot and top wave changes, make champions more squishy and boom the game is good again
also remove dorans shield and second wind, make cloth armor 600 gold but it gives 24 armor, nerf scorch and aery, buff electrocute and dark harvest, nerf bone plating
I'm gonna watch the rest of the video, but as an ADC main I find it hilarious that mid laners are complaining about the possibility of their games being determined by the jg supp. That's 90% of ADC games lol
Im a cait main and i just wanna say, the build is broken but its not cuz caits broken, its the specific overtuned item and rune combination paired with caits kit, which are not balanced to be played in this way.
Only thing I am hearing in this whiny guy's complainging (the twatter post) is "REEEEE WHY CAN'T I WIN LANE IN FIRST 2MIN ANYMORE WAHWAHWAH, I ACTUALLY HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME?!"
The death timer thing is really nice. The reality simply is, if you make a single mistake early and it gets you killed (or you just get early ganked which also usually means death) your game is over and you get to spend the next 15 minutes or even longer trying not to accumulate more deaths and get back into the game where more often than not the game just ends before you can.
Its still gonna happen after these changes, its not gonna magically change everything but it will give you more chances to get back.
And im sorry but, genuinely what is the point of playing if you get punished with wasting 30 minutes of your time for making a single mistake, thats just stupid.
Call me bad i dont care, Summoners Rift has not been fun because of this, for people like me the death timer change is nice.
It's bad because while it allows you to make one mistake and not lose lane completely, it also allows Phreaks daughters Syndra Ori (or whatever flavor of the week midlane uninteractive cancer pick will exist after them) to make 100 mistakes and still not lose lane completely.
@@letroll8954 Thats fair, but then they should just nerf them then. Ik they wont for a bit cause they wanna see them at Worlds, but just cause 2 or 3 or even 10 characters interact very strongly with this doesnt mean the people playing the remaining 170 characters should be fucked.
Also, i do play Top Lane primarily so i dont face them too often exactly, but for the casual player, like me, this change is great. Tbh id much rather them just bring Arena back permanently so i can forever turn my back to SR but perhaps the new Quickplay mode will make things better as well
Idk what patch you have been playing in but 1 mistake is not an instant loss for a very long time. You have to play differently from behind sure, but even as an assassin main myself which is supposed to be the worst when set back, I can say I still find the game playable down 0/1 or 0/2 for the most part. The only time I have found it too punishing is in top lane when you are into a bad matchup and go down 0/2 it does seem like you can't play anymore. But 30 minutes is a stretch, if the game lasted 30 minutes then you clearly came back into the game already which is part of the problem.
i like on his first match he doesnt ban ori when he says its complety broken XD
Hot take respawn timers should be 8 seconds as a base but scale more slowly. You should get punished HARD for dying, I always find it really weird when I get a kill level 1-3 back then get back to lane after my enemy laner and now they're a level up
Remove the respawn homeguards too that shit is mad stupid. Sick and tired of sions inting and getting rewarded woth prio off it after clearing the wave.
That makes sense, but it also promotes snowballing. And Riot decided they want less snowballing in the game.
They said they could predict the outcome of a large percentage of games just by looking at early leads (like, one team being 3 kills up at 10 minutes).
These changes make perfect sense and they will probably make games less frustrating for the losing team, since they get an actual chance at fighting back. Especially at low elo where smurfs are not punished by the indie company
At some point we might aswell just add overwatch's removed coinflip mechanic to determine whoever wins the match.
I feel like some high ranged Lane bullies have crazy high numbers currently. A champion should only have one of these three things: High Range, Insane Scaling, Good Lane.
For example Aurelion Sol (bad laning) or Xerath (not the best scaling) are balanced around that but Syndra/Orianna are just too strong in these regards. In my opinion there should not be a single Matchup in League where one player is stronger than the other player over the course of the whole game. Syndra and Orianna have High range, a good lane and very good scaling. That means that in some Matchups it is literally impossible for the enemy to win at any point of the game if the Syndra/Orianna doesn't mess up. It's not possible to try and pull some crazy plays on them because the only way to kill a Syndra/Orianna in lane is if they mess up. That means the other mid laner has no more priority over how the lane goes assuming they are able to punish mistakes but the Orianna/Syndra doesn't do mistakes.
Xearth has the highest ap scalings for mages but you point still stands
@@Amir-ut2pt Yea same thought, xerath actually monster scales. his weakness is laning
@@kampfbretzelYea but his damage isn't as consistent so it's not really the same. Much harder to get optimal damage output on xerath than ori or syndra.
Draven is king at all points of the game. with no items, one axe takes a quarter health bar 😂
@@matte9076 yeah but he has low range, no gap closer and only his w as utility. Orianna and Syndra have Slows/Stuns and higher range.
funny, i think everyone forgot that you still have a ban every game, use it on orianna and boom ur problem is solved.. now u can play the game without the BIG ori problem.
There is a solution to the tp issue early: make it so that tp has a minimum like 30 sec cd when you die, starting from the moment you die. Would punish you from dying super early while changing nothing later on
if that's the case no one will use TP at all. Make it 5 seconds CD after respawn and return normal at 14 mins (similar to how they make mid and side waves sync before 14)
@@crimson7854 wdym no one will use tp? It’s still the most broken summoner post lane phase and it still allows you to take bad trades and tp back while the other guy has to take a shit base. The only thing it wouldn’t allow you to do would be insta tp right after dying early game. It’s crazy that getting solo killed can net you a positive exchange vs your opponent simply because you can tp back right after dying while he can’t crash the wave.
The post death cd time is debatable, but I actually really like that concept
@@imramblin1638 it is only post death early game since the cd would be longer than the death timer. Later on it would be the exact same thing since a 30 sec cd is shorter than a 60 second death timer
@@joaobrito2653 no, i know. I would just still debate that 30 seconds, minus dearh timer may be too long. At that point tp may as well not even exist until after lane phase, which may be the answer, but i personally disagree. Though, I do think there should be some time penalty early game.
There is "Pro Play" and then there's "SoloQ" you will NEVER be able to balance the game to fit both play styles. I understand by sides but I think it's better for the game if they focus on SoloQ play more then catering to Pro Play
not even 1200 ad jhin hits 2.6k, i guess cait are just delusional
ADC players are all delusional.
They just can't admit that their champions are overpowered and their whole argument is ''okay but assassin champion oneshot me''... ._.
adc is very good , problem is you're reliant on supp jungle and in some cases midlane @@walkelftexasranger
@@tommytommy7535yes bro it's a team game. That's not a problem, they are reliant on the adc too, everyone relies on eachother. But the adc carries the most responsibility on their back imo, that's why they are the strongest. Sure they can get easily killed if their team sucks and it makes it hard to play, but you should lose a team game if your team sucks. Idk why that's a problem, if your adc is gapped by the enemy adc then fights are just as much a nightmare for other roles as well.
@@tommytommy7535 u dont need to relly on them if you oneshot like an assasin xd
@tommytommy7535 yeah and hullbreaker fiora is reliant on her team not running it down while she splits. Congrats the team game relies on teammates.