@@grimslayer8499 Babylon 5 and a plethora of other scify and scify-fantasy stories. Its simply due to Jupiter and Saturn are considered to far away and mars being used as a staging point to colonise the solar system and all that fun.
The silly bit is that the Doom franchise has it right when it comes to the mars moons being more usefull then the actual planet but thats what they end up doing on saturn and jupiter as you can't land on either of em.
Mass Effect as well, Mars is closer to the Asteroid Belt and therefore is the first port available for the raw materials that could be extracted from there.
I hope this becomes the first in a series about the rest of the Sol system in Star Trek. I know there was at least a space station around Jupiter, and cities (and even a lake?) on Luna. Hope to hear more!
I like to think of it as utopia planitia outpost or base was built in 2069, while the Colony was founded in 2103. Similar things have happened on Earth before when a outpost later became a colony or town. They have 2 founding dates.
Yes , discovery or settlement. , and official colonisation, or a colonial government. , are different and you must begin farming or food cultivation. . And sanction from ukur home government. Take the moon . First men on the moon and an established base . Or a future colonial settlement. Will all gave different dates and two haven't happened yet
Agreed, it could be that some sort of intermittently occupied colony or mining station or something was built on Utopia Planitia, and later selected as the best place for shipyard facilities (as you mention, governments do this all the time, often choosing to scale up a facility they already have rather than build one from scratch). In-universe, the shipyard might trace its history to this initial humble outpost while a full-fledged permanent settlement on Mars wasn't until 2103.
It's likely that Utopia Planitia was founded prior to colonization because it's easier to set up space and orbital infrastructure than planetary stuff; it could have served as a hub for most of the early colonists that would head down to the surface in shifts until it was suited for permanent habitation.
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The problem with Mars atmosphere is related to it's core being too cold and not spinning effectively to generate the field needed to hold onto it's atmosphere. In TNG they have reignited stars before, so increasing core heat of a planet should be Childs play for them given their mastery of field technology they could Induce a spin in the core increasing friction and generating the necessary gravitational field to both hold onto an atmosphere and provide some shielding effect from the solar winds, well that's my theory anyway.
Gravity is generated by mass (or sci-fi magic) not by rotation. This is Newton's universal law of gravity. The Maritian gravity is low due to it's low mass, though it's reduced volume does compensate for that a bit. Rotating the Martian core (with sci-fi magic) could potentially help increase the strength of Mars' magentosphere and reduce surface radiation.
@@chrisbingley Mars' lack of magnetic filed allowed its atmosphere to dissipate FAR FAR faster than it would due only to its lower gravity. Though heating it all up to human preferred levels would speed up such gas loss too.
It would be easier to build a satellite array, between Mars and the Sun, that generates an artificial magnetic field to protect Mars from solar radiation.
@@chrisbingley While yes mass is the deciding factor in the strength of gravity... making something spin does affect gravity too. Though even at the scale of supermassive stars spinning doesn't really do too much. Hyperdense objects are when the effects of a spinning object upon gravity become apparent.
@@DarthRagnarok343 It would have to be up at Mars's L1 Lagrange point for it to be useful. A single magnet won't cut it for this purpose, you'd need a gigantic electric circuit or an array of potent magnets to produce the coverage needed. Mars would essentially be in the 'shadow' of the object, though only when it comes to charged(any therefor magnetic) particles. This system cannot protect against ionizing radiation, as photons cannot be directly affected by a magnetic field.
Excellent video, I love seeing what happens to our own solar system in the future. Everything from the moon to Jupiter Station, there must be bases and stations all over the place that we never hear about.
It is a bit of a bummer that in Star Trek media Mars is often just a footnote, with at best attention focused on a few choice facilities. Exploration of more of its history on screen would've been cool.
Actually Mars was attacked during the earth romulan war ,the utopia shipyard newly finished and working on starfleet ships was destroyed. The ships had been pulled, and the spacedocks evacuationed, but I believe the Martian colonies had self or home rule , but they were part of the United Earth. Or under its authority. , but with federation membership, they wanted independence and were granted it and are/ were a federation council member and a key federation military industrial hub
I think of Utopia Planitia as more the orbital facilities than the ground facilities, so the space stations over Utopia Planitia may have been established before the ground side colony.
So it's Mars' fault that Picard could interfere in the rights of sovereign Human Planets (even ones that predate the Federation) so these people left to get the hell away from the home world only for them to be followed. Yet in ST : Picard Beverly talks about worlds being forgotten, yet there is plenty that wanted to be forgotten.
Venus would be a prominent Planet in Star Trek. With Starfleet technology it would be possible to terraform, it's theoretically possible with our near future technology, the big issue is the extra atmosphere. That wouldn't be a problem for a Star Trek Earth, it could even be a resource and be transported to Mars via a variety of methods (could a long range cargo transporter reach that far? A continuous cycle, or even a series of stations. And then there's tractor beam set ups). Venus might even be a better candidate for terraforming in the possible final results. And it would be of benifit for the Federation to have several different biomes within the Sol system, if there are prominent species that don't find the average Earth conditions comfortable. A hot tropical Venus (as was imagined in early sci-fi) might be nice for a bunch of species that find Earth dry and cold and can only live on the equator on Earth. Then again Venus could be made a garden World from the Human perspective.
I wonder, with the benefit of 'Trek Tech', could we do the same thing to Titan? If we could render a breathable atmosphere, it would make a fine place for the more cold-favoring Alien species to open up Embassies and possibly some settlements. Then again, the same would hold for any methane-breathing species.
It would be interesting to see a deep dive into the future history of Augments and human genetic engineering in general. The descendents of Augments are a interesting issue, how successfully do Augment enhancements pass down to descendants? Does a individual need to have their own DNA personally optimised to get the full benefits of superhuman abilities, or will just having both parents be Augments mean that you yourself will be a Augment? Is it just the changes in the basic human template that does it, or does it have to be individually tweaked to get the 'boost' just right? There are failed Augments that only have some enhancements [Enterprise; the outcast with super hearing but otherwise a baseline Human] And would they have the same flaws in their design of increased aggression and a tendency towards megalomania, or was that programmed and customised in each original embryo. And considering Vulcan stewardship, would Vulcan mental techniques allow a Augment to be "sane". [note, I haven't seen Strange New Worlds yet, just a scene where Number One is 'outed'. Also of course there's the *big issue* of the TNG episode with the engineered children who's immune systems caused accelerated aging in Humans, including Dr Pulaski]. Could it well be that some small percentage of Augment ancestry still provides a bit of benifit, and that many later legends of Starfleet have a Augment on their family tree and that helps explain how come they're so talented. A option never explored; With Human genetic engineering (except for medical correction) being banned within the Federation … what about Human groups that leave the Federation? Could a independent colony be set up and they don't make the same mistake that produced Khan, but instead make super Julian Bashirs as their baseline - ethical superhumans. A question never really answered, is there something in the basic human DNA that allowed vast improvements to be made? Other species use genetic engineering, so how come they aren't equally 'boosted' and equal to a Augment [actually a lot better, 24th century genetic engineering should be a _lot more advanced_ than 21st century pre contact Earth genetic engineering]. There's beta canon about Catlins having had Eugenics Wars in their past that mirror what Humanity went through, but that's just a entry under their species wiki. It's a deep topic, with a lot of contradictions and retcons. Although as a survivor of the horrors of the Eugenic wars in the 1990's I can tell those readers who are under 30 that it's still a sensitive topic for many people.
There's gotta be commercial agriculture in federation. The replicators don't make anything out of nothing, the replication system draws from a supply of common or basic foodstuffs to produce meals and this is supplemented by recycling or even utilizing basic commercial ingredients like soylent green on deep space missions. Besides not even rearranging the molecular structure of something like broccoli could produce a good steak.
I believe, most later versions of the Replicator (the kind we find in StarTrek) create necessary matter out of pure energy, foods being easily produced by preset programs... whilst technologically simple though, how much such a thing is mainstay I am not sure...
Granted the replicators can do that ,but that would require a horrendous amount of energy. For example, the energy of a 15 kiloton nuke would only produce a particle the size of a grain of sand
@@SpockBorg5 it always seemed that energy was kind of a non-issue in the mid & later Trek Universe, I mean, I believe nearly every community would have a warp-core style antimatter-generator of some kind, so I expect a few thousand kilotons here or there is a minor inconvenience at this point
You got a point, but process would be whole lot more efficient if they took basic food matter and manipulated that to produce various food items. Even for deep space assignments they would still stock up on food supplies for replicator processing. Besides tech guide for 1701 d reiterates what I just said
@@SpockBorg5 I very much agree on the efficiency thing... I just feel that turning raw energy into matter, whilst less efficient, is so run of the mill, that by the point of the start of DS9 doing something with molecules is extra effort, requiring skills and computation, and with potential logistical hazards...
What would actually make a great video is that of speculation on if another alien species had made first contact with Earth, instead of the vulcans, such as Andorians or even the Bajorans and how history might have played out, either similarly or vastly different.
Mars and Mars orbit makes absolutely no sense as a place to be a major shipyard, not until TNG level tech was available. There is little water, unknown metal deposits, and no mining industry to provide raw materials. Not to mention no local sources of things like nitrogen and other rare gasses, let alone raw earth elements. The first ship yards will be in orbit around the moon. Low gravity, nearby resources, easy to get to. Most of the heavy structural components of a ship would be built on the moon from local materials, then easily lifted into orbit. High tech stuff would come from the earth or earth orbiting factories. (Love the Lunar Orbital Ring shipyard in "Starship Troopers"). Later one, once we start mining the asteroids, shipyards will be built out there as well. Some asteroids are solid metal, worth trillions in today's economy, while others are made of rock and ice. Everything needed, once mining ships and industries are established in the Belt. Cere's would be the major hub, just because of it's size.
Actually the first shipyards were at San Fransisco on Earth - the San Francisco Fleet Yards. Yes, planet-based. Hunter's Point Naval Shipyard just outside San Fran was repurposed as part of the SFFY, as was Treasure Island Naval Shipyard, which is where the simulation center for Starfleet cadets is. (The simulator vessel is known as the USS Neversail, btw, if Starfleet Command is to be believed.) Whole modular components (saucer section, engine nacelles) were built on-planet in naval oceanic drydocks, then lifted into orbit via carrier vehicle. These were then fitted together at space-frame drydocks in orbit, much like how the International Space Station was constructed, or like aircraft carriers in the real world. The San Francisco Fleet Yards is still active, and you can still see the orbital facilities in games like Star Trek Online.
@@Code_Lin Just because I calmly stated a view many long-time Star Trek fans have does not exhibit any sort of childish behavior. Your response however does show a tendency to schoomarm condescension.
@Sergio Leone Picard is a Trek show. Just like with the new Marvel shows, your hatred will be forgotten in 5 years. People hatred TNG, ENT, when they first came out. Now they have fans.
I was thinking that every full member world of the UFP should be required to build at least one spaceship of some kind every few years or so. In the TNG era that's about 100 planets building on average 50-ish ships every year.
I don't think it's ever been said in canon that they don't, but we only really hear about Starfleet shipyards when it's relevant to the story. Every member planet could have a shipyard for civilian craft/local security forces.
@@Corbomite_Meatballs You are likely correct, I believe every member planet was warp capable with their own space fleet before joining and they would continue to have that capability. I would just like to see this expressed on screen. I think it is also a case of sci/fi writers having no sense of scale. The UFP is about 8000 LY across, that means there are about 5-50 million(depending on where you get the number) star/star systems to patrol and protect, many will just be lone stars that could be ignored. The UFP is going to need a whole lot of ship for that, I don't see Utopia Planitia being up to that itself.
We see Artificial gravity. The system uses a network of spinning accelerators to harness gravitons to flow on a electrostatic membrane to generate gravitational field in direction of the plating.
It would be interesting to see what the Federation could do to wind back Mars a few million years and keep it there, to make Mars a self sustaining ecosystem much like Earth, as it likely was millions of years ago. As far as planets go, it seems ideal to test all manner of terraforming techniques and technologies because you are not going to make it more inhospitable.
We're talking Star Trek here. With enough technobabble, they could turn Mars into a star or black hole. ;) Don't forget what happened to the Genesis planet in Wrath Of Kahn.
@@patrickmccurry1563 Oh yeah, I had completely forgotten about the genesis planet. I would feel very cheated if I lived on Mars and I heard about some backwoods space rock getting an instant ecosystem, turning it into an M class world while my home remained a hostile dust ball.
@@Voltaic_Fire I think most ST Martians love Mars just as it is....and would begrudge Geopomorphic development (attempts to make Mars Earthlike) out of a Planetary pride
Why6 are there mine in Star Terk? Yes, somethings can't be replicated, but the place shown in Picard ep.2 was a titanium mine, and it was still working. So, what is up with that?
A Thing that NEVER really come up in TNG and further, not even really in Voyager but replicating should be REALLY energy consuming since due a Certain Formula, even with the raw materials used as base Sooo, i would say that it still makes sense to Mine Stuff and tend the fields since, you can replicate some fries or a starship hull, but it might be more efficent to grow some potatos or mine duranium if they would feel to explain why the Boimlers are still raisin makers. a bit like the Situation of Federation-Money
Gravity control in ST is solid state. Was reverse engineered from an anti Gravity belt, I.e. precursor artifact. That's if the material from the original animated series is valid.
kinda like how not far off Star Trek Mars is from being like Wh40k Mars. There are still a ton of steps before they are the same, but ST Mars has taken some steps in the same direction (like being the main construction yard for space ships in Sol)
How do you plan to incorporate things like Utopia Planetia into your Star Trek history video series? Since you're going into so much detail about Mars here, will you glaze over it in the video series?
I like the idea of 2069 being when it was "founded" obviously settlement was a ways away, but you coudl say this was the date of the founding as construction began at this point, witht he only people there being Scientists and those working on building this, as well as the shipyard. WIth official permenant colonists settling here in 2103. It's not liek on Earth where peiple could simply just show up hee and immediatly start living, in those early years colonization likely took a bit of time, made easier by aid from the Vulcans rather then simply terraforming Mars.
simple, when you have warp drive why invest all those resources on terraforming a dead world into a habitable one when you can just go somewhere else a terraform a habitable but crappy one into a nice one?
4:08 I guess Lake Winnebago dried up and was filled in some time in the next few hundred years- not sure how I feel about that, except that I don't like it.
Contradiction: 143 million inhabitants, but all major cities were attacked and the atmosphere ignited. Yeah, that totally sounds like "only" 90k death would be the result of such a devastating attack. NuTrek simply sucks.
Isn't it weird in Trek, with thousands of human colonies spread throughout the Alpha and Beta quadrants, possibly millions of human and mixed-human expats living on other alien worlds, all the human characters were born and raised on Earth? The only exception is Burnham.
Travis Mayweather was born on the space freighter ECS Horizon; 7 of 9 was born on the colony world of Tendara; B'Elanna Torres was born on the colony of Kessik IV; Beverly Crusher was born on the Moon; Tasha Yar was born on the colony of Turkana IV; and Deanna Troi was born on Betazed. They're plenty of Humans characters in Trek who were born off Earth. And even if they weren't, Earth should still have the majority of the Human population in the 23rd/24th centuries.
Them colonizing Utopia Planitia specifically is really bad. Like a glaringly terrible idea for a site when terraforming Mars cuz it will mostl likely be submerged underwater. It's below what would be the ideal sea level, and it probably was underwater when mars did have an ocean 3 billion years ago.
I never cared for what Picard did. It was a waist. Of course the entire show is a waist. But I would like for them to at least show some green patches on the planet, showing that some areas have vegetation on it. But while Mars is the main shipyard for earth, it's not the only one by far, a common misconception.
How did you get free-roam access to the Mars orbital map? That CERTAINLY doesn't look like a mission or TFO! Additionally, Star Trek Picard never happened, so you can safely ignore all of that in your lore videos. If prior statements by characters in-universe are in fact true, such as certain lines by Ambassador Spock in the Kelvin timeline movies, then regardless of what the out-of-universe people say, Star Trek Picard is an errant timeline, an aberration that is separate to what actually happens, similar to the aforementioned Kelvin Timeline. It will be corrected at the end of Star Trek Picard's run, removing it from canon and rendering stuff like the Mars attack by the Synths, non-existent as well.
@@Code_Lin Actually, my like or dislike has nothing to do with it. In-universe, various characters' actions and words provide a direct, un-recantable statement of denial that Star Trek Picard even exists. For example, Prime Universe Spock's line with regards to the Romulan Relocation Fleet which he was supposed to lead in the 2009 movie Star Trek, which states that he attempted to save the Romulan and Reman people but failed. If this line is still canon, then the Romulan Relocation Fleet is no longer needed as the Romulus system exploded before the fleet could be constructed or launched. The whole plot of Star Trek Picard instantly falls apart. No synths, no evacuation fleet, no rebellion, no Picard resigning his commission... etcetera. If this line was removed from canon, it means Spock was successful in saving the Romulan and Reman people, and the whole plot of Star Trek Picard instantly falls apart. No Synths, no evacuation fleet, no rebellion, no Picard resigning his commission... etcetera. Regardless of my like or dislike, there are subtle in-universe facts that mean Star Trek Picard's entire timeline has been destined for the trash can from the very start of the show, whether fans of the series like it or not. Sorry Picard series lovers, but Star Trek: Picard has never been canon to the prime timeline, in any sense of the word. And it doesn't matter what anyone likes or dislikes about it - Picard is going in the trash can whether anyone likes it or not. As the rock group Queen once sang, "It doesn't really matter!"
Honestly I always hated that. Why have a shipyard there? There's nothing there. None of the materials needed, no environment conducive to either habitation, or construction. It's location isn't even that good for the purpose of building starships. If you want a convenient place for that, you'd be better off at one of the giant planets, where resources are abundant and you're closer to the border of the solar system. Mars is completely worthless. Aside from it being a stepping stone in our quest to become a spacefaring civilization, it really has absolutely nothing of value. It can't even be terraformed...ever.
What is producing oxygen? What about a viable magnetic field to protect it from the sun? How does adding meteorite water produce an atmosphere? Did they just “replicate” it or something? How does an atmosphere freaking burn?
It would be nice to see more about Mars in Star Trek.
I'd love to see HOW humans retook the stars after First Contact starting with LEO, the Moon, Mars, etc. That era remains so poorly investigated.
We do know that NCC-1701D was built above Utopia Planetia
It's interesting that in most scifi Mars becomes a world for factories, mining and manufacturing.
Besides Star Trek and Warhammer 40k, what sci-fi universes have Mars as a factory world?
@@grimslayer8499 Babylon 5 and a plethora of other scify and scify-fantasy stories.
Its simply due to Jupiter and Saturn are considered to far away and mars being used as a staging point to colonise the solar system and all that fun.
The silly bit is that the Doom franchise has it right when it comes to the mars moons being more usefull then the actual planet but thats what they end up doing on saturn and jupiter as you can't land on either of em.
Mass Effect as well, Mars is closer to the Asteroid Belt and therefore is the first port available for the raw materials that could be extracted from there.
The Expanse not only has Mars as an industrial base but is it's own Autonomous and sovereign world apart from Earth.
I hope this becomes the first in a series about the rest of the Sol system in Star Trek. I know there was at least a space station around Jupiter, and cities (and even a lake?) on Luna. Hope to hear more!
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Here you go! He did a video a bit back about the whole sol system.
very much would love to see Luna as it developed....
That's Lake Armstrong.
Venus as I recall was made habitable and is home to over 2 Billion. Although this is in beta canon material.
Mars making fleets of flying saucers.
Huh.
I like to think of it as utopia planitia outpost or base was built in 2069, while the Colony was founded in 2103. Similar things have happened on Earth before when a outpost later became a colony or town. They have 2 founding dates.
Yes , discovery or settlement. , and official colonisation, or a colonial government. , are different and you must begin farming or food cultivation. . And sanction from ukur home government. Take the moon . First men on the moon and an established base . Or a future colonial settlement. Will all gave different dates and two haven't happened yet
Exactly. If we ever later properly colonise the Antarctic, they’d say the same about the bases which are currently only manned a few months a year.
Agreed, it could be that some sort of intermittently occupied colony or mining station or something was built on Utopia Planitia, and later selected as the best place for shipyard facilities (as you mention, governments do this all the time, often choosing to scale up a facility they already have rather than build one from scratch). In-universe, the shipyard might trace its history to this initial humble outpost while a full-fledged permanent settlement on Mars wasn't until 2103.
It's likely that Utopia Planitia was founded prior to colonization because it's easier to set up space and orbital infrastructure than planetary stuff; it could have served as a hub for most of the early colonists that would head down to the surface in shifts until it was suited for permanent habitation.
I really like this idea.
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"It wouldn't be until much later that Mars would see the beginnings of the Adeptus Mechanicus."
The problem with Mars atmosphere is related to it's core being too cold and not spinning effectively to generate the field needed to hold onto it's atmosphere. In TNG they have reignited stars before, so increasing core heat of a planet should be Childs play for them given their mastery of field technology they could Induce a spin in the core increasing friction and generating the necessary gravitational field to both hold onto an atmosphere and provide some shielding effect from the solar winds, well that's my theory anyway.
Gravity is generated by mass (or sci-fi magic) not by rotation. This is Newton's universal law of gravity. The Maritian gravity is low due to it's low mass, though it's reduced volume does compensate for that a bit.
Rotating the Martian core (with sci-fi magic) could potentially help increase the strength of Mars' magentosphere and reduce surface radiation.
@@chrisbingley Mars' lack of magnetic filed allowed its atmosphere to dissipate FAR FAR faster than it would due only to its lower gravity. Though heating it all up to human preferred levels would speed up such gas loss too.
It would be easier to build a satellite array, between Mars and the Sun, that generates an artificial magnetic field to protect Mars from solar radiation.
@@chrisbingley While yes mass is the deciding factor in the strength of gravity... making something spin does affect gravity too. Though even at the scale of supermassive stars spinning doesn't really do too much. Hyperdense objects are when the effects of a spinning object upon gravity become apparent.
@@DarthRagnarok343 It would have to be up at Mars's L1 Lagrange point for it to be useful. A single magnet won't cut it for this purpose, you'd need a gigantic electric circuit or an array of potent magnets to produce the coverage needed. Mars would essentially be in the 'shadow' of the object, though only when it comes to charged(any therefor magnetic) particles. This system cannot protect against ionizing radiation, as photons cannot be directly affected by a magnetic field.
Excellent video, I love seeing what happens to our own solar system in the future. Everything from the moon to Jupiter Station, there must be bases and stations all over the place that we never hear about.
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It wouldve been hilarious if you snuck in shots of Mars from Total Recall and Babylon 5 on there
Thank you again Rick for the informitive video.
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You did an excellent job in this video!!!! Completely consistent and believable history arc.
Personally I think this is one of the best you made. 😁
The destruction of Mars must have been such a brain drain on Starfleet engineering.
It is a bit of a bummer that in Star Trek media Mars is often just a footnote, with at best attention focused on a few choice facilities. Exploration of more of its history on screen would've been cool.
You could have an office comedy set at Utopia Planitia or something.
Thanks for the upload. :D
Actually Mars was attacked during the earth romulan war ,the utopia shipyard newly finished and working on starfleet ships was destroyed. The ships had been pulled, and the spacedocks evacuationed, but I believe the Martian colonies had self or home rule , but they were part of the United Earth. Or under its authority. , but with federation membership, they wanted independence and were granted it and are/ were a federation council member and a key federation military industrial hub
I think of Utopia Planitia as more the orbital facilities than the ground facilities, so the space stations over Utopia Planitia may have been established before the ground side colony.
I always thought Mars is ruled under earth… didn’t know it’s even a separate governing entity altogether
It's funny how similar this is to The Expanse
So it's Mars' fault that Picard could interfere in the rights of sovereign Human Planets (even ones that predate the Federation) so these people left to get the hell away from the home world only for them to be followed. Yet in ST : Picard Beverly talks about worlds being forgotten, yet there is plenty that wanted to be forgotten.
"Picard" isn't real Star Trek, so we really don't need to concern ourselves with that drivel.
@Sergio Leone have you watched it?
Why did the Federation have to “build” ships to evacuate Romulus? What happened to the Imperial Fleet?
Venus would be a prominent Planet in Star Trek. With Starfleet technology it would be possible to terraform, it's theoretically possible with our near future technology, the big issue is the extra atmosphere.
That wouldn't be a problem for a Star Trek Earth, it could even be a resource and be transported to Mars via a variety of methods (could a long range cargo transporter reach that far? A continuous cycle, or even a series of stations. And then there's tractor beam set ups).
Venus might even be a better candidate for terraforming in the possible final results.
And it would be of benifit for the Federation to have several different biomes within the Sol system, if there are prominent species that don't find the average Earth conditions comfortable.
A hot tropical Venus (as was imagined in early sci-fi) might be nice for a bunch of species that find Earth dry and cold and can only live on the equator on Earth.
Then again Venus could be made a garden World from the Human perspective.
One does not joke about marzipan.
To be honest, I wish for a new Star Trek show that set on Mars.
I wonder, with the benefit of 'Trek Tech', could we do the same thing to Titan? If we could render a breathable atmosphere, it would make a fine place for the more cold-favoring Alien species to open up Embassies and possibly some settlements. Then again, the same would hold for any methane-breathing species.
It would be interesting to see a deep dive into the future history of Augments and human genetic engineering in general. The descendents of Augments are a interesting issue, how successfully do Augment enhancements pass down to descendants? Does a individual need to have their own DNA personally optimised to get the full benefits of superhuman abilities, or will just having both parents be Augments mean that you yourself will be a Augment? Is it just the changes in the basic human template that does it, or does it have to be individually tweaked to get the 'boost' just right? There are failed Augments that only have some enhancements [Enterprise; the outcast with super hearing but otherwise a baseline Human]
And would they have the same flaws in their design of increased aggression and a tendency towards megalomania, or was that programmed and customised in each original embryo. And considering Vulcan stewardship, would Vulcan mental techniques allow a Augment to be "sane".
[note, I haven't seen Strange New Worlds yet, just a scene where Number One is 'outed'. Also of course there's the *big issue* of the TNG episode with the engineered children who's immune systems caused accelerated aging in Humans, including Dr Pulaski].
Could it well be that some small percentage of Augment ancestry still provides a bit of benifit, and that many later legends of Starfleet have a Augment on their family tree and that helps explain how come they're so talented.
A option never explored; With Human genetic engineering (except for medical correction) being banned within the Federation … what about Human groups that leave the Federation?
Could a independent colony be set up and they don't make the same mistake that produced Khan, but instead make super Julian Bashirs as their baseline - ethical superhumans.
A question never really answered, is there something in the basic human DNA that allowed vast improvements to be made? Other species use genetic engineering, so how come they aren't equally 'boosted' and equal to a Augment [actually a lot better, 24th century genetic engineering should be a _lot more advanced_ than 21st century pre contact Earth genetic engineering]. There's beta canon about Catlins having had Eugenics Wars in their past that mirror what Humanity went through, but that's just a entry under their species wiki.
It's a deep topic, with a lot of contradictions and retcons.
Although as a survivor of the horrors of the Eugenic wars in the 1990's I can tell those readers who are under 30 that it's still a sensitive topic for many people.
There's gotta be commercial agriculture in federation. The replicators don't make anything out of nothing, the replication system draws from a supply of common or basic foodstuffs to produce meals and this is supplemented by recycling or even utilizing basic commercial ingredients like soylent green on deep space missions. Besides not even rearranging the molecular structure of something like broccoli could produce a good steak.
I believe, most later versions of the Replicator (the kind we find in StarTrek) create necessary matter out of pure energy, foods being easily produced by preset programs...
whilst technologically simple though, how much such a thing is mainstay I am not sure...
Granted the replicators can do that ,but that would require a horrendous amount of energy. For example, the energy of a 15 kiloton nuke would only produce a particle the size of a grain of sand
@@SpockBorg5 it always seemed that energy was kind of a non-issue in the mid & later Trek Universe, I mean, I believe nearly every community would have a warp-core style antimatter-generator of some kind, so I expect a few thousand kilotons here or there is a minor inconvenience at this point
You got a point, but process would be whole lot more efficient if they took basic food matter and manipulated that to produce various food items. Even for deep space assignments they would still stock up on food supplies for replicator processing. Besides tech guide for 1701 d reiterates what I just said
@@SpockBorg5 I very much agree on the efficiency thing...
I just feel that turning raw energy into matter, whilst less efficient, is so run of the mill, that by the point of the start of DS9 doing something with molecules is extra effort, requiring skills and computation, and with potential logistical hazards...
What would actually make a great video is that of speculation on if another alien species had made first contact with Earth, instead of the vulcans, such as Andorians or even the Bajorans and how history might have played out, either similarly or vastly different.
Do they reconcile the lore of _Star Trek: Online_ as primary canon comes along and overwrites stuff previously established there?
I wonder will it at least be mentioned in Discovery, that by the 32nd century it has recovered.
Mars and Mars orbit makes absolutely no sense as a place to be a major shipyard, not until TNG level tech was available. There is little water, unknown metal deposits, and no mining industry to provide raw materials. Not to mention no local sources of things like nitrogen and other rare gasses, let alone raw earth elements.
The first ship yards will be in orbit around the moon. Low gravity, nearby resources, easy to get to. Most of the heavy structural components of a ship would be built on the moon from local materials, then easily lifted into orbit. High tech stuff would come from the earth or earth orbiting factories. (Love the Lunar Orbital Ring shipyard in "Starship Troopers").
Later one, once we start mining the asteroids, shipyards will be built out there as well. Some asteroids are solid metal, worth trillions in today's economy, while others are made of rock and ice. Everything needed, once mining ships and industries are established in the Belt. Cere's would be the major hub, just because of it's size.
Actually the first shipyards were at San Fransisco on Earth - the San Francisco Fleet Yards. Yes, planet-based.
Hunter's Point Naval Shipyard just outside San Fran was repurposed as part of the SFFY, as was Treasure Island Naval Shipyard, which is where the simulation center for Starfleet cadets is. (The simulator vessel is known as the USS Neversail, btw, if Starfleet Command is to be believed.)
Whole modular components (saucer section, engine nacelles) were built on-planet in naval oceanic drydocks, then lifted into orbit via carrier vehicle. These were then fitted together at space-frame drydocks in orbit, much like how the International Space Station was constructed, or like aircraft carriers in the real world.
The San Francisco Fleet Yards is still active, and you can still see the orbital facilities in games like Star Trek Online.
Wonder if the Picard uniform in 2385 is a special uniform, the evacuation uniform?
Each Starfleet project seems to get a unique uniform
It's a non-Trek uniform as "Picard" isn't real Trek.
@@sergioleone3583 just because you don't like the show it doesn't make it "not real trek", grow up, this is childish behavior
@@Code_Lin Just because I calmly stated a view many long-time Star Trek fans have does not exhibit any sort of childish behavior. Your response however does show a tendency to schoomarm condescension.
@Sergio Leone Picard is a Trek show. Just like with the new Marvel shows, your hatred will be forgotten in 5 years.
People hatred TNG, ENT, when they first came out. Now they have fans.
@Sergio Leone Just bc you state your views calmly does not make them any less childish. :P
I'm actually interested in what gave mars the 'artificial 1 G" gravity.
Technobabble?
Heavy ankle weights
Personally I always go with "Magical Gravity Plating".
@@craigmorris4083 brilliant 😂
What I don't understand is why they don't have a shipyard around every star the UFP inhabit.
I was thinking that every full member world of the UFP should be required to build at least one spaceship of some kind every few years or so. In the TNG era that's about 100 planets building on average 50-ish ships every year.
I don't think it's ever been said in canon that they don't, but we only really hear about Starfleet shipyards when it's relevant to the story. Every member planet could have a shipyard for civilian craft/local security forces.
@@Corbomite_Meatballs You are likely correct, I believe every member planet was warp capable with their own space fleet before joining and they would continue to have that capability. I would just like to see this expressed on screen. I think it is also a case of sci/fi writers having no sense of scale. The UFP is about 8000 LY across, that means there are about 5-50 million(depending on where you get the number) star/star systems to patrol and protect, many will just be lone stars that could be ignored. The UFP is going to need a whole lot of ship for that, I don't see Utopia Planitia being up to that itself.
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The lore *definitely* needs to be revised, as 2032 is rapidly approaching and 2024 is, obviously, *next year* .
Star trek isn't in our own time-line, otherwise they would have to de-canonise khan and a whole lot of other stuff to fit in our universe
Or they could have a calendar reform sometime in the future (Turkey jumped from the 1300s to the 20th century after all)🤔
I wish sto would allow our factions to visit each planet starbase in our systems
So technically Mars was Vulcanformed🤔🖖
Maybe Nova Ares was the first permanent settlement and the initial Utopia Planitia construction workers were on temporary contracts.
The romulan and federation fleets would have been able to relocate all concerned by the time the 1st batch of ships were being bilt... writers ahhh
Or they could have asked the other powers (whom the Autors seem to know knothing about) for Help/outright hired someone.
We see Artificial gravity. The system uses a network of spinning accelerators to harness gravitons to flow on a electrostatic membrane to generate gravitational field in direction of the plating.
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Hi Cert, if they make a U.S.S. Musk, I'm gonna join the KDF.
yes, but hear me out: what about a I.S.S. Musk?
Sigh,lol
It would be interesting to see what the Federation could do to wind back Mars a few million years and keep it there, to make Mars a self sustaining ecosystem much like Earth, as it likely was millions of years ago. As far as planets go, it seems ideal to test all manner of terraforming techniques and technologies because you are not going to make it more inhospitable.
We're talking Star Trek here. With enough technobabble, they could turn Mars into a star or black hole. ;) Don't forget what happened to the Genesis planet in Wrath Of Kahn.
@@patrickmccurry1563 Oh yeah, I had completely forgotten about the genesis planet. I would feel very cheated if I lived on Mars and I heard about some backwoods space rock getting an instant ecosystem, turning it into an M class world while my home remained a hostile dust ball.
@@Voltaic_Fire I think most ST Martians love Mars just as it is....and would begrudge Geopomorphic development (attempts to make Mars Earthlike) out of a Planetary pride
I have noticed: The west part of our galaxy is still not explored yet, isnt it? Withoin the Alpha-Quadrant
Why6 are there mine in Star Terk? Yes, somethings can't be replicated, but the place shown in Picard ep.2 was a titanium mine, and it was still working. So, what is up with that?
A Thing that NEVER really come up in TNG and further, not even really in Voyager but replicating should be REALLY energy consuming since due a Certain Formula, even with the raw materials used as base
Sooo, i would say that it still makes sense to Mine Stuff and tend the fields since, you can replicate some fries or a starship hull, but it might be more efficent to grow some potatos or mine duranium if they would feel to explain why the Boimlers are still raisin makers.
a bit like the Situation of Federation-Money
You also have dilithium mines, since you can't replicate that.
Gravity control in ST is solid state. Was reverse engineered from an anti Gravity belt, I.e. precursor artifact. That's if the material from the original animated series is valid.
kinda like how not far off Star Trek Mars is from being like Wh40k Mars. There are still a ton of steps before they are the same, but ST Mars has taken some steps in the same direction (like being the main construction yard for space ships in Sol)
Yeah, just minus the artificial Ring of Iron of 40k.
Well Mar's lower gravity makes using it as an orbital shipyard easier to do.
@@barrybend7189 it’s, what, 0.3G to earth’s 1G?
@@hamishsewell5990 .6 is Mar's the moon is .34 Earth gravity. It's position near the inner asteroid belt also makes it better as the shipyard.
I wonder shat other aliens live on Mars. Would Andorians find the temperature tolerable enough, or is it too cold even for them?
How do you plan to incorporate things like Utopia Planetia into your Star Trek history video series? Since you're going into so much detail about Mars here, will you glaze over it in the video series?
You need to do some Babylon 5 lore.
I like the idea of 2069 being when it was "founded" obviously settlement was a ways away, but you coudl say this was the date of the founding as construction began at this point, witht he only people there being Scientists and those working on building this, as well as the shipyard. WIth official permenant colonists settling here in 2103. It's not liek on Earth where peiple could simply just show up hee and immediatly start living, in those early years colonization likely took a bit of time, made easier by aid from the Vulcans rather then simply terraforming Mars.
Why Starfleet havent Terraform Mars as U may Know In The Expanse They we're doing it before The ProtoMolecule got Main stream ???
simple, when you have warp drive why invest all those resources on terraforming a dead world into a habitable one when you can just go somewhere else a terraform a habitable but crappy one into a nice one?
They found habitable planets before any of The Expanse factions did.
Plus they met nice Aliens 👽 , Expanse was still just humans overall. 🙄
Kirk's son David used protomatter in the Genesis device...
Connie Defiant or Defiant class Defiant?
Guess its time to deploy Genesis Mark II on Mars. Get a green, waterfilled, habitable planet just an arms reach from Sol III.
Oh you can go to mars now in Star Trek online? About time…. I stoped playing like 3 years ago it got very repetitive
not much info on starfleet utopia planitia
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"The sands of Mars will run red with Earther blood!" (+1 internet point to whomever gets that reference)
B5 - episode about the mind controlled former Free Mars terrorist
Tho technically it’s “Mars will never be free until the sands run red with Earther blood”
4:08 I guess Lake Winnebago dried up and was filled in some time in the next few hundred years- not sure how I feel about that, except that I don't like it.
However 😊
Contradiction: 143 million inhabitants, but all major cities were attacked and the atmosphere ignited. Yeah, that totally sounds like "only" 90k death would be the result of such a devastating attack. NuTrek simply sucks.
Startrek III The Genesis Device
Love the videos, but have you ever considered using mouse smoothing software to get better footage?
if your going to do Mars might as well do the Moon also.
hang on as far i know we cant go to mars as a normal player wich i think is annoying
Isn’t everything on mars now gone because of the Romulans?
DoomSlayer: stay away from Mars!
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Isn't it weird in Trek, with thousands of human colonies spread throughout the Alpha and Beta quadrants, possibly millions of human and mixed-human expats living on other alien worlds, all the human characters were born and raised on Earth? The only exception is Burnham.
Travis Mayweather was born on the space freighter ECS Horizon; 7 of 9 was born on the colony world of Tendara; B'Elanna Torres was born on the colony of Kessik IV; Beverly Crusher was born on the Moon; Tasha Yar was born on the colony of Turkana IV; and Deanna Troi was born on Betazed. They're plenty of Humans characters in Trek who were born off Earth. And even if they weren't, Earth should still have the majority of the Human population in the 23rd/24th centuries.
Them colonizing Utopia Planitia specifically is really bad. Like a glaringly terrible idea for a site when terraforming Mars cuz it will mostl likely be submerged underwater. It's below what would be the ideal sea level, and it probably was underwater when mars did have an ocean 3 billion years ago.
where's the part about MCRN?
wrong show, still a good show. ST Discovery and Picard are both woke crap. I refuse to allow them to be "canon" in my mind.
@@carlh-thehermitwithwi-fi679 Wasn't Sisco the captain of Donnager??
@@dredeth i am unsure. i jsut remember him on DS9 being made part of that whole "woo woo wormhole" thingy, which was cool. But it was so long ago
I never cared for what Picard did. It was a waist. Of course the entire show is a waist. But I would like for them to at least show some green patches on the planet, showing that some areas have vegetation on it. But while Mars is the main shipyard for earth, it's not the only one by far, a common misconception.
I don’t think Picard is a waist. It’s more like a navel or a butt.
How did you get free-roam access to the Mars orbital map? That CERTAINLY doesn't look like a mission or TFO!
Additionally, Star Trek Picard never happened, so you can safely ignore all of that in your lore videos. If prior statements by characters in-universe are in fact true, such as certain lines by Ambassador Spock in the Kelvin timeline movies, then regardless of what the out-of-universe people say, Star Trek Picard is an errant timeline, an aberration that is separate to what actually happens, similar to the aforementioned Kelvin Timeline.
It will be corrected at the end of Star Trek Picard's run, removing it from canon and rendering stuff like the Mars attack by the Synths, non-existent as well.
Grow up, just cause you don't like a certain star trek it doesn't mean it isn't real, this is some childish behavior
@@Code_Lin Actually, my like or dislike has nothing to do with it.
In-universe, various characters' actions and words provide a direct, un-recantable statement of denial that Star Trek Picard even exists.
For example, Prime Universe Spock's line with regards to the Romulan Relocation Fleet which he was supposed to lead in the 2009 movie Star Trek, which states that he attempted to save the Romulan and Reman people but failed.
If this line is still canon, then the Romulan Relocation Fleet is no longer needed as the Romulus system exploded before the fleet could be constructed or launched. The whole plot of Star Trek Picard instantly falls apart. No synths, no evacuation fleet, no rebellion, no Picard resigning his commission... etcetera.
If this line was removed from canon, it means Spock was successful in saving the Romulan and Reman people, and the whole plot of Star Trek Picard instantly falls apart. No Synths, no evacuation fleet, no rebellion, no Picard resigning his commission... etcetera.
Regardless of my like or dislike, there are subtle in-universe facts that mean Star Trek Picard's entire timeline has been destined for the trash can from the very start of the show, whether fans of the series like it or not.
Sorry Picard series lovers, but Star Trek: Picard has never been canon to the prime timeline, in any sense of the word. And it doesn't matter what anyone likes or dislikes about it - Picard is going in the trash can whether anyone likes it or not.
As the rock group Queen once sang, "It doesn't really matter!"
using high gothic from the roman times isnt cool or clever today. high gothic looks dumb in every aspect of scifi. its dumb as hell in warhammer also
what a foolish exercise. resetting Venus orbit to 180degrees along Earth's
&subsequently terraforming would've ben a far better activity
Honestly I always hated that. Why have a shipyard there? There's nothing there. None of the materials needed, no environment conducive to either habitation, or construction. It's location isn't even that good for the purpose of building starships. If you want a convenient place for that, you'd be better off at one of the giant planets, where resources are abundant and you're closer to the border of the solar system.
Mars is completely worthless. Aside from it being a stepping stone in our quest to become a spacefaring civilization, it really has absolutely nothing of value. It can't even be terraformed...ever.
What is producing oxygen? What about a viable magnetic field to protect it from the sun? How does adding meteorite water produce an atmosphere? Did they just “replicate” it or something? How does an atmosphere freaking burn?