Christianity and Unknowing, Richard Rohr
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- www.scienceandnonduality.com/
Richard Rohr, as a Catholic priest and Franciscan Friar, will offer a concise history of how Western Christianity once had, soon lost, tried to retrieve, and now is roundly rediscovering its own traditional understanding of unitive consciousness (which was our word for non-dual thinking). The Christian contemplative mind was usually a subtext, and yet it was always clearly there too, and much closer to the surface, but only for those exposed to the mystical base that was revealed in the Gospel of John, the Desert Fathers and Mothers, the Celtic and monastic traditions, and what was generally referred to as the apophatic or wisdom stream of Christianity. These were our many saints and mystics. This possibility was brought to the fore by Thomas Merton in the middle of the last century, and is now flowing in many positive directions. It is now our task to rediscover the pre-Enlightenment Christianity that reveled in "the cloud of unknowing", what some called "learned ignorance", and the very notion of Mystery itself. Only when we got into competition with rationalism and secularism, did we adopt this rather recent mania for certitude and a very limited kind of scientific knowing. Almost the entire history of Protestantism emerged in this period, and thus the contemplative mind is an utterly new revelation for them, and frankly for all of us, as we again learn to be comfortable living on the edge of both the knowable and the unknown.
Fr. Richard Rohr is a globally recognized ecumenical teacher bearing witness to the universal awakening within Christian mysticism and the Perennial Tradition. He is a Franciscan priest of the New Mexico Province and founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Fr. Richard’s teaching is grounded in the Franciscan alternative orthodoxy-practices of contemplation and self-emptying, expressing itself in radical compassion, particularly for the socially marginalized. Fr. Richard is the author of numerous books, including Everything Belongs, Adam’s Return, The Naked Now, Breathing Under Water, Falling Upward, Immortal Diamond, and Eager to Love: The Alternative Way of Francis of Assisi.
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I came here because of Ram Dass. He said that it would be helpful to connect with the faith that one is born in. I am encouraged to learn of the mystical nature of Christianity and look forward to learning more from this teacher.
If you get a chance, have a look at John crowder and his books!
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I’m a ram daas fan too and Richard rohr absolute saved me from the trauma and abuse from within Christianity….in the west. I am now a Buddhist but love Christ. Check out Richard rohr video “how buddism can make you a better Christian “ powerful
@@ericberry5314 Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
@@ericberry5314I am the way, the Truth and the Life, no one can get to the Father except through me. Jesus Christ the Only Begotten Son
of God, said this. Buddhists don't believe in a God who takes a personal interest in his creation. I left Catholicism because of wolves like Rohr. Sad because the Pope is like him. No Christ consciousness. Only Christ. You won't believe me but I say this with love, please read the Bible for yourself. I pray for these lost progressive "Charlatans."
Fr. Rohr has changed my life ❤
Thank you to people like Richard who are doing this in all religions. Trying to find some unity
The most difficult struggle of my life, witch has been riddled with tragedy, loss, and suffering has been with my attachment to having an intellect. I used to read the bible and see it one way until life broke me down so low that I lost all confidence in what I thought I knew. Now I read it and receive a completely different understanding. It starts from the very beginning of the bible - the knowledge of good and evil and is beautifully, though arduously, shown in the story of Job. When we think we know what is right and wrong not only are we unteachable but we loose our connection to the divine mystery of life. He is defining beautifully where Christianity has missed the point of the teachings of Jesus. I see a few teachers emerging that are helping unify science and theology and it is wonderful to witness. I came back to God through physics, NDE stories and Eckhart Tolle teachings and I am so grateful for the suffering that humbled me to open me up to learning rather than showing everyone how smart I was. My ego still messes with me constantly but at least I can recognize and maybe someday the dang thing ill give it a rest, lol.
Thank you for this.
I second this. I am in a similar journey now.
The teachings of Jesus, Christine? If you read the Bible honestly, and the words of Jesus regarding Himself in particular, you would weep for your lost condition and ask Him to save you.
We accept Him or reject Him - we do not attempt to fit Him into our own preferred religion.
This is NOT Christianity. This is NOT the True Gospel. It is a Satanic counterfeit. Please believe me. Your very soul is at stake - and I care.
This is my story too but recently. Where are you now?
@@deniss2623 I said they lead me back to God. The Lord definitely works in mysterious ways.
A piece of advice for you would be to find a different approach because if you would have said that to me before I came back to our Lord I would have just thought you sound like a parrot.
Sometimes you have to share the truth in ways that people can receive it. What seems perfectly logical to you may not seem so to someone who is not where you are in your faith.
I cannot say how much Richard Rohr has renewed my faith (beyond doctrine).
The same for me...ex-Catholic, ex-Evangelical...but a believer.
Yes. Me also. God is gracious to us. Even when we think we know something. Jesus said on the cross, Father forgive them, they don’t Know what they are doing. Salvation maybe begins when we say, I don’t know. Christianity has to be more then the accumulation of information, That I can rap my ego around and become, THE WALKING BIBLE!! 🤣. My theology has become very simple, “God is love, and those who serve him must serve him in love”, 1John 4:7. In that I can, move with my evangelical friends, and my Catholic friends, without trying to fix them. It’s a very restful place to be.(John B).
"Beyond doctrine" is still doctrine. It is doctrine for itching ears.
" God is not a being. He is being" I like that one. Namaste
Pure 'I Amness'
Maybe both.
That’s entirely scholastic view. Thomas Aquinas equates God with “ipsum esse”, pure Being. Roman Catholic Church still has Thomas’s philosophy at its core
I am that I am.
What a beautiful man. The world needs thousands of copies of him and then maybe, just maybe, we will move forwards. I humbly bow to you Richard.
Beautiful man and a beautiful mind, I agree.
Beautiful man? Full to the brim with pride, and pride is the image of the Devil.
@@deniss2623 😂😂😂😂😂
You should humbly bow to Christ, and not the one Richard Rohr preaches.
@@elsh332 Why can I not bow to both? One out of deep respect for his wisdom and insight, the other as the Son of God?
Thank you, Richard Rohr. Really connecting to this teaching... a movement away from dualistic (right and wrong) thinking to contemplation and contemplative prayer -- contentment for me and a new more profound meaning of what it means to rest! His words remind me of a favorite poet, Rumi, "Out beyond our ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there..."
When you get there tell Hitler and Nietzsche I said “hey”.
You are the best teacher. Dear father Richard. God bless you.
Finally, a Christian priest who makes sense to me. Thank you!
George Trialonis oh my 😔
That is ^exactly^ what I said!
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@Brian Jett Amen, very well said. I'm also finding it amazing that those of us who do insist on certainty and knowledge of this all; don't also search so diligently to see where our Christian beliefs have evolved from. We are afraid to see if "these things are really so." We just have been handed down Westernized views of how this and that are interpreted, and ran with it.
I'm on my own deconstructing journey, and it's amazing to see how much I've been told and taught are truths; that are fairly new doctrines and teachings in the broader scope of things. I'm realising we focus a lot more on the non-essentials, than who they all pointy to:Jesus. We follow at times, everyone and everything else..besides Him in a sense. Because He is quite contradicting compared to most of what the ancient Jews had in mind. Not to mention many of our own current teachers. We might still be missing Him, expecting Him to look like this or that. When He's been in front of us all along. We just can't approve of people being accepted without merit of any sorts(reminds me of the parable of the wages; the one's who worked all day were pissed that the one's who worked less..got the same wages lol).
Or like the priest and devout man on their way to temple; passing by the man in need. But they had to pray and sing to God right? To listen and hear the "Word"? Yet shockingly, it was the "hell-bound", unlearned, heathen Samaritan Jesus said was doing His Word. Same with the two men who went to temple to pray. It was the one who was just honest with God and himself. Transparent. Genuine. Ugly mess inside and all. He Jesus said was right. Then the one who thought he had a monopoly on truth, comparing himself, his "salvation" in a sense to the "sinner."...it was the unlikely one that Jesus said went away justified. Still to this day..our pride is a problem. We dare not study, strive, pray, do acts ot kindness..and then THESE people get grace? Not the same amount of grace at least right?
this man is not a christian. Not what a true christian is suppose to be.
True Christianity being taught! Thank you, Richard Rohr! I also admire Marcus Borg.
I pray that Yahweh protects true Christianity revives it and makes it flourish till the day of resurrection respect from a Muslim
True Christianity is what was taught by Jesus and his disciples: that He was the messiah, God’s only Son, Lord. He was crucified (fact admitted by most scholars) and had an empty tomb (also confirmed by most…even Ehrman and John D Crossan). This belief was why those believers were martyred and persecuted by Saul and others. Again, please research the evidence.
A separate Christ was formulated by the Gnostics
@@HoldFastApolpgetics what rubbish
@@HoldFastApolpgetics Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secret text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim [ line of ismail ]
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You’re a muslm and you don’t believe in hell??
Wow, Christendom needs so many more thinkers like Fr. Rohr.
I thought this word fell out of use? Christopher Hitchens seemed to think so.
@@DocJoby All Christopher Hitchens to do was just insult people he never really re-bottled people, and many have pointing that out. Mostly tells atheist what they want to hear and not really what they need to hear he’s part of the New Age atheism that was a disapprove anything that could have any semblance of Christianity.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secret text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim [ line of ismail ]
@@theguyver4934 ...my proclamation that the Trinity is the foundational nature of God is unwavering. If I as a Christian in your presence were to tell you Jesus was the material embodiment of the Infinite God, would you call me a blasphemer, and exact your "Muslim" judgement upon this "infidel," or would you respect my opinion?
I have read Richard's most recent book, "The Universal Christ" and heard him speak on his accompanying blog: Another Name for Every Thing. But this little talk has got to be one of my very favorites. Thanks for sharing this.
This man has been my teacher (through writings, etc.) for the last four years. My life has been changed by his words. Would that all of us who engage in our crazy, tribal politics these days would hear and apply these thoughts and ways of being into our lives. Wish we could start defining our commonalities and common goals. The world would then be a more wonderful place.
This is such a relief to hear a Catholic Priest touch on this subject like this. I feel like I belong again. Thank You!
Richards explanation has brought freedom to the conflicts between my mind and heart
Richard's words are so beautiful I think I'm going to cry
Doctrine for itching ears.
One of the most underrated thinkers of our time 🍄✝️🍄✝️🍄✝️🍄✝️🍄✝️🍄✝️
I have read so many of his books. He is incredible ... Love him!
One question is there hope for the christian faith to be revived and flourish till the day of resurrection
@@theguyver4934 this ain't the Christian faith
@@DiscoverJesus Then what is
@@theguyver4934 try Pastor Conlon Carter for a few sermons and you'll see the huge distinction
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So listen to your guy for the truth? I mean the ridiculousness of that s astounding
I am immensely encouraged by Rohr's talk. So glad to hear others talking about this, and so clearly!
What's interesting is, as someone who was born Southern Baptist but converted to the Catholic Church later in life, this is exactly how I perceived Catholicism. As a theologically rich mystical experience. Something about how the Catholic Church also held Mary, the Apostles, the Church Fathers, etc., all to such high esteem made the figure of Christ appear much more special. All these pivotal figures, St. Augustine, St. Athanasius, St. Anthony the Great, Brother Lawrence, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. John of the Cross, St. Teresa of Avila, St. Ephrem, Meister Eckhart, St. Maximus the Confessor, the Friends of God, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Ignatius of Loyola, Duns Scotus, Pseudo-Dionysius, Origen, Tertullian, St. Catherine of Siena, Fulton J. Sheen, St. Clement of Rome, St. Benedict of Nursia, St. Justin Martyr, St. Anthony of Padua, all of the prophets and Christ’s apostles, and the Virgin Mary, among many others, have all played such major parts in developing the fullness of the Catholic faith, that when recognizing their sheer magnitude, you can't help but feel it pales in comparison to that of the figure of Christ.
The Baptist Church never could provoke such an experience of awe and mystery as the Catholic Church could simply because they asserted who Christ exactly was and exactly what you are to do. Christ was this totalitarian dictator of sins and his love and forgiveness were reserved to only those subordinate to him. That's how it felt to me. Of course, the Catholic Church has its doctrines and dogmas, but the theology alone made all the difference. In Catholicism, Christ didn't feel like a dictator that I MUST submit to like the Baptist Church made me feel, instead, he felt like a teacher, a best friend, a king, and instead of being told to follow, I felt inclined to follow. The sheer magnitude of Christ induced mystery, awe, wonder, humility, and faith.
The idea of a “personal connection with God”, something I had always been told to strive for in the Baptist Church, really felt possible in Catholic Church. But Baptist theology led me to believe a personal connection was supposed to feel like the type of connection I have with my friends or family. That prayer was supposed to resemble a face-to-face dialogue. Whereas in the Catholic Church, the type of connection was, instead, the disillusionment of subject and object, and prayer was a moment to contemplate in that disillusionment.
So, even though I did study the Catechism and other magisterial work, as well as some boring apologetics, I was more interested in the philosophy, theology, and mysticism of Catholicism. I was more intrigued by spirituality than by doctrines. I was so invested that I began practicing before I was baptized as a Catholic convert. My priest actually had me take private lessons with him instead of going through RCIA because of how obsessively I studied and practiced before committing.
Every practice felt mystical, and something in me made me feel that this was how the Church Fathers and other theologians and mystics must’ve felt. Then, for the first time, I attended Eucharistic Adoration, and I fully let go and I just felt absorbed. Be it the Holy Spirit or whatever, but I cried in the middle of my meditation, and that was my first glimpse of non-duality.
I later encountered the word, and instantly, I resonated with it. The word itself captured the sensation I felt, unfortunately, I can't capture the sensation to explain what the word non-duality feels like.
Now, I'm a lil shakey with my faith, and I am trying to go through the works of the saints, mystics, and theologians, regardless if I lose my faith, non-duality is fundamental to my worldview, and I have Catholicism to thank for that. Particularly, the works of Aquinas and Scotus, for giving me an intellectual outline of the nature of God, along with the works of the mystics like John of the Cross, Brother Lawrence, and the Friends of God, who gave me an outline to experience the nature of God.
Edit: this isn't meant to talk bad about the Southern Baptist Church! This is just my testimony of discovering non-duality through Catholicism.
You really don't need to make this so complicated Seth. If you're looking for awe and mystical experience with God; Just believe on Jesus, turn away from sin with your whole heart, and turn to the Lord for his forgiveness; by saying OUT LOUD, with meaning; "Lord Jesus please save me, take over my life, and be my Lord " "Whosoever calls on the name of the Lord, shall be saved" For if you "believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus; you will be saved. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Romans 10: 9-10) , Knowing God in a real and meaningful way, first begins with being born again, born from above, born of the Holy Spirit; for God is Spirit. Then, the Spirit of God can lead you into all truth. Experiencing knowing God is a work of the Holy Spirit. Some religious structures try to replace this mystical work of the Spirit with their structures, liturgies, sacraments, rules, so called special saints and mystics, and also mere intellectualism . But what is truly needed is "the presence of the Spirit of God, 'being imparted into the temple of your body"!!! This happens by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Some people instead try every known religious tradition and system and philosophy of thought, and still come up lacking the meaningful life transforming relationship with God, that they are really longing for. I pray you come to know Him deeply Seth, by the presence of his Spirit coming to take up residence in you..Jesus told the disciples, "He {the Holy Spirit) is WITH you, 'BUT', He SHALL BE IN YOU!!! Tarry in Jerusalem till you be endued with power from on high!!!" This is where the AWE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD begins!! May you be carried in his love, into this sacred knowing;... and thus be blessed to worship him, in Spirit and in Truth...
You reaffirm what I have always known deep in my heart and soul🙏🏽
You always know the truth when you hear it! Happy you hear it here... God doesn't judge anyone or anything! God is! Only Love exists
I love synchronicity. I just posted to some friends about the power of Unknowing. I love Christian Mystic poet Denise Levertov's small book: The Great Unknowing. Lovely to see our New Mexico jewel Richard Rohr on Science and Nonduality. Grew up ROMAN Catholic and he has helped me heal. I am actually a mystic. I am writing this at Christmas 2021 when the big lie has truly disturbed culture in general. Very timely.
So refreshing to hear you.Thank you for introducing me to unitive consciousness.
I pray that Yahweh protects true Christianity revives it and makes it flourish till the day of resurrection respect from a Muslim
This man Richard makes un-knowability easy to digest and accept, because of his style and presentation and above all learned wisdom.
Can't say I've enjoyed a youtube presentation anymore than this one.
Yesterday, I found a book by this dude that I purchased years ago, but never read. Today, I find this TH-cam video of Mr. Rohr speaking(and I was not searching for him specifically or what he is talking about).
Synchronicity 🙂
Luke Johnson wow
I'm unsubscribing. You need someone to talk to?
@I'm unsubscribing. He found a physical, printed book - nothing to do with algorithms. Are you impressing yourself wih your rudeness?
A case of Divine Providence perhaps. Dr. Why
Already a fan of Father Rohr. This talk was very well received. Liked the Deus - Zeus connection and that when Christianity moved from the catacombs to the basilica after 300AD, the requirements of an imperial religion imposed a concrete christ, a christ who could help maintain order. Also like that early Franciscans taught the first bible was creation, some 14 billion years ago. Peace.
1 John 4:1-6 (ESV): Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
Fantastic. I wish all Christians were like this. I have just been talking to a born again evangelist who has a very confined idea of what he calls Truth. Everybody outside of his small tribe is condemned for eternity. I pointed out that, even in his belief system, that decision wouldn't be his to make.
In the end, any religion or philosophy is only a vehicle to help us uncover the Ultimate Reality. We only use vehicles as long as they are useful. We should not cling to them or be afraid to change to another form of transport, even none at all.
The idea of the dance in this talk meant much more to me than the usual Trinity teaching. As a Buddhist, I am encouraged to ask questions. Doubt is an essential part of each person's journey. It's good to know that there are Christians who understand the benefit of seeking rather than allowing the ego to take over.
Jesus Christ is the only way to eternal life
@@colton7373 Has it worked? Have you found eternal life?
Richard Rohr is not a Christian.
Wow! Beautiful and inspiring!
I pray that Yahweh protects true Christianity revives it and makes it flourish till the day of resurrection respect from a Muslim
My AA sponsor suggested I check this out as we are working on step 3. I'm actually Jewish but strictly non denominational. Maybe thats why I really like your take on things. Thank you
Christ never knew he was a Christian his way was "The Way The Truth The Life" a non dualistic concept at its essential best.
"Wear material life as loose garment that can be discarded at any time"
I think you forgot the rest of that verse- “No one comes to the father except through me”
Is that non-dualistic?
@@matthewdyer2926 Sure it is Christ's way of saying his precise way was truth and could be found through him . Of course Christ said no such thing exactly he spoke Aramaic not english just as he did not know he was a Christian so this is never a direct quote of anything that he actually said. just another paraphrasing written in greek and latin and then english of what he said in Aramaic that know one actually knew precisely or heard him say. Most of what he actually said is lost.
@@remurraymd well that’s convenient! Now you can feel at liberty to make Christ into whatever you fancy! I bet your christ is a lot like you, and the two of you agree on just about everything, am I right?
When you abandon truth for relativistic nonsense, you rob yourself of solid ground to stand on and you despise the true Christ. Don’t be fooled. God Most High is not mocked, nor is he made in your image, nor does he exist in your imagination so as to be molded into something more agreeable to you. Repent.
@@matthewdyer2926 blue on blue fights are the worst.
Fundamentalist gnosis is the worst
John 10:10 always has been a problem in my spirit. Once again, religious group setting themselves up as my way or the highway
Brings nothing but death to the community
Or perhaps you can explain the strange unholy alliance between fundamentalism and Donald Trump. Palease! Happy day fellow sojouner 👊🤠
Utterly brilliant and beautiful in his humble simplicity, The Spirit of Saint Francis lives on and thrives in Christ. Today's militant atheists and Religious fundamentalists would be slain with Love itself on hearing this approach surely. If they took to a listening posture that is Amen Amen
I pray that Yahweh protects true Christianity revive it and make it flourish till the day of resurrection respect from a Muslim
Beautifully said - I felt deep joy listening
You'll never be lonely again -- let us enter the enchanted world together. If you get to the door before me, I'll bet you'll hold it open for me, and I'll try to do the same for you. Thank you, Richard Rohr!
Oops: I should add, if you WANT to enter the enchanted world, I'll hold the door open for you. If you'd rather be deeper in the rational, scientific world, then I'll do my best to accompany you there. In other words, not trying to convince anyone of anything here. And now, I continue my conversation with a lizard and a leaf.
Nice.
Excellent explanation , thank you ! This needs to understood by many ✝️🕉✡️
yes, we/all is one. hard concept to grasp living in 3D, human form . In reality it is very, assessable 24/7 . The more I unlearned everything I was taught, brainwashed etc... the more I came to know that I am only aware of being aware. I am no one, kinda like no identity, but yet I am everything! hope this makes sense .
Debra Binetti
‘I am’ ‘s the veil that clouds the 'isness'
When mind’s attention goes to things
Just look and see, it’s one, not three,
[View it in plane and not 3D],
There’s no center in this business.
And what you see is all there is
No world beyond, no time that flows
Nothing comes and nothing goes.
Yes , the see'er 🙏🏻🕉
Debra Binetti
Susan Butler
susan butler...
i don't get it- what's the meaning of such a comment?
thank you for clearing up so many questions that Ive always had.
"Be of one mind"
"Do not be conformed to the patterns of this world but be transformed by a renewal of your mind".
We are all one
Satori Graphics hahaha nice, simple and straight to the point. Good job
Satori Graphics All one what!
We are all one , great, so lets go get lunch!
Sounds like a good plan!
Heidi, Christ came to proclaim the GOOD NEWS, not the bad news. God loves everything that was created. We are all the expression of love. I left the Catholic Church years ago for talking that way. Couldn't imagine a loving God tossing his people (and my neighbors) into hell. Thankfully, am not hearing too much talk like that anymore and have found a wonderful Franciscan community -- All are welcome here is the their song. As are all God's children welcome home. I believe Christ demonstrated that life prevails. And that we are all one -- the creation of God.
This is a great overview of non-dual or unitive thinking as it developed in Christian tradition. To ground this non-dual approach in theology of Jesus see my last book, Healing The Divide: Recovering Christianity's Mystic Roots. In that book I explore Oriental Orthodox non-dual theology of Jesus (Miaphysite in Greek). In my book I translate Miaphysite in the English phrase: The Jesus Paradox. This theology was developed by The Alexandrian Mystics (Alexandrian Fathers) between the 3rd and 5th centuries.
#ChristianMysticism
#CenteringPrayer
#JesusParadox
-Amos Smith
It wasn't that long ago my friends that speaking like this would have one burned at the stake...thank you Father Rohr...I hope you are feeling well
Powerful being of love and light. Thank you Fr Richard.
A beautiful mind. More of this please.
I pray that Yahweh protects true Christianity revives it and makes it flourish till the day of resurrection respect from a Muslim
Fantastic spiritual food and thanks, Richard!
This discussion was 4 hours too short. I could listen to this depth from Richard for truly, hours and hours. Just fantastic.
We need him and Jordan Peterson together
I was raised a Catholic but then experienced a profound kundalini or spiritual awakening and had a direct encounter with Source Light. The Spirit I encountered was ecstatic, joyful, blissful, loving, and so so good! I still love the teachings of Jesus and believe he was an Enlightened Sage who taught the path to awakening and the Kingdom of G-d. I don't identify with any religion or specific teaching but still study Christian mystics, the Yogis, Sri Aurobindo, Michael Washburn, Ken Wilber, and Spiral Dynamic. I don't hold to any labels, belief systems, or ideologies anymore. I think Jesus came to unburden people from dualistic rules and adherence to a specific religion.
He is brilliant. Funny and smart. Brilliant. Breath of fresh air long overdue.
I pray that Yahweh protects true Christianity revives and makes it flourish till the day of resurrection respect from a Muslim
I love this explanation of the Trinity. The idea of Jesus 'only' being God in relationship to the Father and the Spirit makes the redemptive work of Christ Jesus take on a great significance to me when understood this way. (I hope I am not misinterpreting the good doctors thoughts)
I am truly grateful for finding the insights of Richard Rohr into the Fellowship of the Mystery and the Gospel of the Kingdom..
To complicated, TRUTH = One Spirit, One Mind and One Body, that's a all there is , my friend and once Awakened you'll SEE it for your Self.
I suspect you are right, it's been a long trip I may not be out of the woods, but I can see the clearing. In an ever expanding universe awakening may be the process of eternally being at the edge of the clearing.
Such a joy to listen to this priest.
I pray that Yahweh protects true Christianity revives it and makes it flourish till the day of resurrection respect from a Muslim
Absolutely beautiful, thank you.
I pray that Yahweh protects true Christianity revives it and makes it flourish till the day of resurrection respect from a Muslim
Thank you Richard you've showed up right on time. The world needs you more than ever! Lot's of Christians actually fear God and believe in an actual hell. It's too bad because their missing out on the truth... Love has no religion 🙏❤✨
Diving deeper into things - ck out "Buddha at the Gas Pump" TH-cam channel w/Rick Archer 👍
This is basically the Christianity I was taught in seminary. But yeah, Fr. Rohr is spot on that this vision of Christianity and Christian practice looks quite alien to what’s become of Christianity the past several centuries. But, then again, we’re always learning. Even the earliest apostles often got it wrong!
I pray that Yahweh protects true Christianity revives it and makes it flourish till the day of resurrection respect from a Muslim
Amazing Sir, thankyou, I never thought I would hear a Christian talk like this.
Absolutely wonderful!! Thank you for sharing your understanding, your Wisdom, your "Unknowing", or "Not - Knowing", of the true Teachings of Jesus - one of the greatest "Pointers" at/to our Inherent, Timeless, Ineffable, "Oneness without a Second", True, or Original Nature, in recorded history.
Peace Be with You...Namaste' 🙏
Reverend Eslam ßw
+Reverend Eslam You need to wake up from your deluded religious belief. Jesus is not God.
Reverend Eslam Jesus was a man like any other man/woman but he Realized his True Nature during his lifetime, ie, "Self-Realization", as many others have throughout the history of Mankind. His words were "Pointers" to who/what we Really Are, right Here, right NOW. You quote Shunyamurti who quotes Ramana Maharshi who "Pounted" to the same "One without a Second" that Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj did. Just like Jesus, Maharaj said to Be the "I AM" which is prior to thoughts, memories, associations, perceptions, and conceptions. This "Stateless-State" is "where" your "self" dissolves into SELF - Pure Awareness ITSELF. In Zen, it is called the "Gateless Gate". Religions are for the masses until those few with "Ears to Hear" look Within, Realize who/what they Really Are, and Awaken in "Self-Realization". There is no place to go because we Are Already "THAT Which Can Not Be Described". The individual self is an Illusion. "We never left the mythological Garden of Eden - a metaphor for our Illusory separation from God, SELF, True Nature, Source, et al. This "separation" occurred approximately 200 - 500 thousand years ago when early Man's brain evolved through the formation of the Pre-frontal Cortex which gave us a very advanced survival "tool" allowing us to plan for tomorrow (future) by comparing our observations in the Present with our past memories - birth of the Ego, an Illusory mental construct which allowed us to "create" a separate "reality" with thoughts about Reality As IT Is. Separation was and IS an illusion. There is only NOW - the Ever-Moving, Ever-Present FLOW of Awareness ITSELF and we ARE IT!
Peace Be with You... Namaste' 💖
Reverend Eslam Thank you! 💖
Awesome!
Just Brilliant. Thank you.
So good. Thank you!
So beautiful.
Thank you thank you 🙏🏻 Richard ❤️
AMEN! GOD IS MYSTERY! ALL FAITHS RADIATE RAYS OF GOD'S LIGHT!
THE UNITIVE STATE RADIATES. THOMAS
great speaker and wish I had been in his church as a youth
I pray that Yahweh protects true Christianity revives it and makes it flourish till the day of resurrection respect from a Muslim
I love Richard Rohr.. if there were more like him even I’d become a Christian
fantastic talk! Love the "unknowing with Christianity!
Fr.Richard Rohr OFM
Brought me to the DivineDance.Dec.
24-25-26- 2020.....
I now can connect dots
to fit like pieces to a puzzle from birth to 72
good beautiful and true
years of life...Thank you Richard.....I love everything about you.
As well as
my most fabulous SPIRITUAL DIRECTOR
in New Jersey..
I just came out of 8 years of transformation.
I studied with the franciscians. At Saint Francis of Assisi on Long Beach Island N.J
Next..went to saint Mary's diocesan church after 2 full years of R.C.I.A.
My active spiritual director for 2 years said because I personally read or listen to so many of your gifts and treasures of C.A.C.
It tells her a lot about me.. she also mentioned there are woman monks.
Your end of year
2020 contemplative prayer teachings have brought me freedom to be the whole person he created me to be...A Ministry of Saint Joseph and or Kingdom Soldiers are my 2 choices for the 21 st.century..
You will always stay in my heart till eternity..as I believe you are a saint on Earth..creating in me the fullness of transformed in the Trinity to strive for sainthood.. You totally set me up for 2021...
I love you Richard Rohr
with all my heart mind soul and strength.....
I pray for you health daily. . AMEN.
I also have some Jesuit blood in me which I use
ALL
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GREATOR
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Great ! Thank you.
I have watch3d this many times over the years.....everytime something is revealed.
Brilliant!
What a great Franciscan priest.
St. Francis would be appalled at Rohr's stance on homosexulaity, Ana.
Facts!
Thank you.
In Him we live and move and have our being....and ...we are His offspring..... We are the children of this 'Him'..we have more than place - we have relationship.
I can not hear him tonight my speakers I can't hear but I know the songs.. thank you I can usually fix it ..His video's are really awesome...
Good words from a great teacher. Nobody has a monopoly on the entire universal truth, whether religionist or scientist.
Does anyone now exactly where and to whom this talk was given?
Science and Non-duality Conference.
It was given to humans on earth.
The reformation was not the death of contemplative thinking or the beginning of "food fighting". That phenomena has pervaded Christianity for most of its history up until the Roman Catholic church persecuted any dissent from its own doctrine into near extinction and it was from that position that the reformation rekindled open debate.
Wow absolutely and Divinely brilliant ✨🙏🏾✨
Fr. Richard, seems pretty evident to me that you are transcending religious denomination... going beyond them to the very core of indivisible Oneness!
Loved this!
After watching this. I would encourage anyone else coming here for answers to read scripture and study for yourself. I rest in the word/teachings of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit instead of man. Especially when there is little to no specific scripture for reference/points made.
This is exactly what I needed today.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secret text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim [ line of ismail ]
This is great. Basically I am the same, but not had heard it articulated before.
(I grew up going to a Franciscan seminary)
Wonderful.
Wow! Love it.
He's right about the evolution of modern Christianity from the era of Constantine. With that modernization came the strict rules of moral sexual behavior which we may credit on the positive side with the evolution of monogamy, family life and even sexual romance. On the negative side came strict sexual roles including subjugation of women and male role in the industrial revolution and subjugation of non accepted feelings.
Actually, Rohr is WRONG about that very thing, Vic P, because strict moral rules for sexual behavior was extant within the Early Church continuing on through the Ante-Nicene era all the way into the Nicene era and beyond.
None of it was post-Constantine, as you insist. That is simply untrue. No person with even a basic knowledge of Early Christianity knows this to be a fact.
The trinity. 3 the mystery. Moves through everything. Grand mutually to everything, never lonely.
My teacher, right here...
I pray that Yahweh protects true Christianity revives it and makes it flourish till the day of resurrection
I've always thought that if there is a God, that God takes sheer delight when I have to admit that, "I don't know if there is a God". I think I've embraced not knowing.
This approach tacitly -- implicitly -- flattens out all differences and denies the very necessity of differentiation. Simply put, it denies that some ideas are better than others, some ways of being better than other ways of being, some actions preferable to others. What underlies it, and what it turns inevitably leads to, is nihilism. And Christian nihilism is as insidious and dangerous as any other kind.
It doesn't deny the necessity of differentiation at all, rather is highlights that under the surface there isn't differentiation even though the way we live necessitates the concept of duality. It's nihilistic only if viewed through a nihilistic lens, the other way to view it is that by being one we all have a purpose, but ultimately these are both different sides of the same coin, the only difference is perspective, and as mentioned in the video with dualistic thinking we pick a side and view things from our own bias.
clear like the water!
This brought me to 😭
wonderful- mystics-love-unity. A trinity.
"The law of three which is always dynamic, not trying to make you into a christian, I am trying to help you respect dynamism, as opposed to oppositionalism". 28:07 What a great quote, made me laugh 🤣🤣🤣
Another translation for the expression of Jesus, Fr Richard quoted when he walked into Google World is "The children of this system of things (world) are wiser in a practical way to their own than the children of the light are."
Wow! Thanks!
Love you Richard love you
Prior to printing presses discussion and debate over meaning was still very much at the center of the gospels teaching. Parishes, Saduccees, oral traditions, history, etc. were all very focused on understanding words and meaning. Jesus teachings themselves were clarification and divisive as they brought specific meaning and understanding to old concepts. John 1:1.
😍🔥so good
Around 14mins Richard uses the word "clarity" in reference to the "death of the unknowing". In this past year the name of the St Francis House (a day shelter for homeless etc...), has been changed to "The Boston Clarity System". Even though the flags with Francis's name are still up outside, they have taken his name off the ID cards needed to get in and replaced it with the new clarity name, where inside expressions of St Francis have been replaced with State Orwellian type of slogans on the wall.
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
2 Timothy 4:3-5
This development in Christianity is such a relief. I wrote a thesis some 30 years ago that is pretty similar with Rohr's concepts. ( This was for a 'Religious history module')It got rejected so fast, i doubt they read it beyond the first chapter. ;-)
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secret text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim [ line of ismail ]
Most progressive priest
Oliver Ezenwa is
Why are you looking for or impressed by a 'progressive' Priest - what we need is a return to New Testament Christianity
I just came across this. These are the words of the anti-christ.
Define progression! Is progression progress? From what to what? Does your definition tally with Christ's?
you are hateful
Thank you, Father! Yes, what a great speech. It appears that apophatic theology is the reasoning or what is considered left-brained thinking and cataphatic theology is intuitive or right-brained thinking. Whole-brain thinking integrates these two modes of thought. When we do not integrate these two modes of thought we can be considered as being "not all there." Up until now, being "not all there" has been the way of Roman Catholicism.
I fully relate with you. If we stay stuck in reason or literalism we will be afraid to employ whole-brain thinking and we are "not all there." This is the root problem with traditional Roman Catholics today. If we do not see into and through the language and visuals in front of us (words have varied senses of the meaning) we remain trapped (koan: WORDS ARE TRAPS) and we do not pick up the essence of what is being communicated. Essence is picked up from heart-to-heart or intuition-to-intuition communication. Those who are restricted to apophatic or strictly left-brained thinking will miss the essence of much that is communicated to them. Many people are afraid of their intuitions. When we miss the essence we may start arguments.