I was raised in a fundamental Protestant religion. In fact I was a missionary kid. And since I’ve been in and out of church but havn’t been invested in many years. Now at the age of 79 I find Richard Rorh. And I’m so surprised - I had no idea that Christian could really speak to me Wow. Thank you
You have single-handedly saved my faith Fr Rohr! I sing your praises to many people. You will never know in this world, how the ripples of your life have transformed so many people! And on it goes. We are blessed to have you
Really interesting if very brief melee at second-hand w/ Derrida. To the degree Rohr’s informant engages D its quite a lovely connection. Sad the writer grossly mischaracterizes Derrida as “angry” in order to dismiss him.
" When I am weak is when I am strong. " " Being saved by the cross. " heard a song as a child " There is one way to peace by the power of the cross his banner over me is love. There is one way to peace by the power of the cross his banner over me is love. There is one way to peace by the power of the cross his banner over me is love. HIS BANNER OVER ME IS LOUVE. Thanks fr Richard. It's lovly to behold a pure heart. I love your love for truth and for truths sake alone. It's a blessing to be here to hear this. Thanks so much 🙏
I’m agnostic and I’m not really sure what to believe yet. I’m on a path of finding my higher power and Richard has been a big help and I am so grateful for the wisdom and honesty.
There's a guy named Francis Chan who is very charismatic and will lead you on a good biblical path to Jesus. my only disclaimer is he's not Catholic which is the one true faith, but I haven't found him to be heretical in 99% of his talks. I wouldn't listen to Rohr. His teachings conflict with the bible and the Catholic faith. Jesus is all love and all just, certainly a hard thing to grasp. Rohr misses the just part.
@@FLpalm I think the very fact that you can hear Francis Chan’s teachings and overlook his lack of Catholicism speaks to the spirituality Rohr is describing. It can be present in any one of us who’s willing to let go of their own ego, regardless of cultural affiliations.
Thank you for this. I came back to the Catholic Church 1.5 years ago, because I wanted to be around people who loved Jesus as much as I did. I found a few, a couple, but most it seemed to me to want a social club. After mass, people were talking as if they were at a party, or a social dinner. Rarely did anyone want to talk about the Gospel or talk about spiritual experiences or talk about their developing relationship with the Holy Spirit or anything that was relevant to the true spiritual aspirant. I used the COVID lockdown to go on retreat and pray and meditate and follow Jesus advice to Seek ye first the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is within He said, to there is where I went and I tell you, I have had many mini and some larger "miracles". The pastor told me that he considers me a mystic. Okay. Yet, he believes in Hell and a God that would send people there for Eternity if they die unbaptized. He believes that Satan is around every corner. He believes we are in the End Times and that we will all be thrown into FEMA camps because we are Christians. I just can't with this anymore. All I see is God, as Love and God is obvious and in everyone and everything and Life Itself is a glorious Mystery. God condemns no one. That is what I've seen. Sometimes I am just overwhelmed with love FOR and WITH God! I drive and I am overwhelmed by Beauty of the Everything! That everything is Divine. I can see it. It's all Divine. I sent a video to my Pastor describing my current understanding. I have not heard back from him and it has been almost two weeks. He asked me to make a video for parishioners,, speaking about my encounter with Christ, but I think I gave him more than he bargained for. Now I feel adrift and without a spiritual community. But not adrift from God.
Jesus came to save sinners through His death on the cross. He took on sin, descended into Hell, and rose on the third day. God is a just God, and there is a price to sin. However, God is merciful and forgives all sin, if we turn to Him and ask for forgiveness. We know Jesus made a way to God, the Father, and He is the only way to the Father. We must be test the spirits, bc if they don’t line up with teachings of God- they are not of God (1 John 4).
I love Richard Rohr. He has opened my eyes to a whole different way of seeing. And understanding the gospel. I had already begun to see , and Richard confirmed me, where my own church not only denied whhere i was ging, but wdnt even hear! Were not open enough to ask me? Just the simple "How did you come to believe that?"
The dog is the teacher here . He is just being , experiencing life while the human brain is trying to figure out the how .The dog is the only one not counting .
you have a natural sleep, Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”
I love dogs, they have been a big part of my life. Dogs are not human, we know this as fact. How much awareness they possess is not known. Being able to ask questions is a large part of being human. Sometimes the questions themselves are more important than the answers. Give the poor dog a bone. God bless.
Richards all those questions you just spoke on has been a thorn in my side for years, how can God be so wicked in acts like you read in the bible the families and babies that was wiped out on Gods command. and then be the loving God we was taught. My grandson sat with me in church and he said after 15min into the mass at the young age of two "up down up down" he was so aware of the ritual. God's Blessings thank you.
Beautiful. As Jesus said ..those who have ears to hear.." Jesus does not want passive followers. We all must be open to contemplate on and feel more deeply what Jesus teaches us. HE speaks very clearly through Fr Rohr. We are either ready to hear it or we aren't yet... but in time all will 🙏. And yes!.. the dog knows it ..simply and without complicated thought.
The Lord blessed my soul when I was introduced to Father Rohr. His book, Breathing Underwater: Spiritually & The 12 Steps, helped my wife and I better understand and support our son during the dark days of his addiction.
It seems that the comments section of every Rohr video has an even blend of gratefully liberated and deeply offended replies. In both cases, the comments are all about Richard - he’s either a saint or a heretic. Why do we feel the need to attack or praise the person rather than consider the depth of their ideas? Do you think he’s a heretic because he’s said something doesn’t make sense, or just because it doesn’t align with what another person or institution taught you? If you think his teaching is amazing, does the gratitude extend beyond the messenger to the source of the lesson or does it stop at the human level? I’ve come to many of the same conclusions as Rohr has in my short existence, and I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who sees through the dogma - but deeply disheartened to see so many attacking him as “false prophet” or praising him as “genius”. At the core of his contemplative teaching, all of these labels become meaningless - rather than right or wrong we’re free to accept that everyone is inherently both.
I must admit that I find Richard’s line of thinking intriguing. I know he’s onto something that’s missing from our understanding. However, I also find it a bit overly simplistic to say that God is more or less indifferent to the sin and chaos in our world; that He’s all about love, love and more love. In which case, why did Christ have to suffer and die on the cross? Moreover, doesn’t the sermon on the mount call us to a higher standard of morality? Achievable ONLY by surrendering oneself to Jesus Christ through His grace?
There is a bit of new age vibe going on with him. I think for the most part of what he was talking about moralism was spot on but the end result according to him is a bit off, whereas its all about eliminating the ego. And its funny because he mentioned grace but seems to be focused on works. I wouldn't really take this guy seriously and be careful with his teachings.
From the video: "...you define yourself by a certain moral stance. Now I think that's understandable as a starting place." No, that's not a good starting place, that statement is flawed. Yes, we can define ourselves with our morals, but that's not all we define ourselves by. People will define themselves with just about anything, including amoral things like the clothes they wear, their hairstyle, the groups they hang out with, the car they drive, their favorite drink, music, and on, and on...
He's not really saying to be indifferent. That's not how love works. He's just basically saying to keep an eye out about focusing too much on moralism, or staying in the moralistic level. It's not the goal and it really has proven itself to steer us away from the goal - which is unitive consciousness - being one with God. It is exactly like how and why Jesus criticizes the Pharisees. Moral understanding is a consequence of being in the unitive consciousness and shouldn't be the goal itself. I'm not as eloquent as he is but I try.
I have listened to hundreds of near-death experiences and the God these people describe is Richard's God. Nearly all of them are overwhelmed by the greatest love and acceptance they've ever felt, regardless of what faith they hold or what they've done. Atheists become believers as they return into their normal life, and fundamentalists of any sort become - well, like Richard. They learn that in the end, the only thing that matters is precisely love, love, love. In fact, they go as far as to say that it is the foundation of the universe.
23 years old im in egoic self but thank God i started young pardon me im compulsive and want to be recognized for my dedication to spirituality ;) for my fellow who troubled in how this works see that in yourself you start here.
I love listening to Richard Rohr. I find it fascinating, as I read the comments below, how people either love him or despise him! Such a wide variety of responses to this man! Richard has a way of thinking outside of the box, he offers new insights you can learn a lot from him. However, he leans far to the left in his thinking...and spends most of his time criticizing conservative Christians and the "pharisaical tendencies" found in mainstream, orthodox Christianity. It would be better for him to reflect upon and then criticize the unorthodox, heretical left as well (and all the heresies found there). His position would then be more balanced.
He's talking to people who call themselves Christians, not to people who don't identify as Christians. The people you're talking about on the "radical left" do not identify as Christians, thus the discussion would be totally different for them and would not include any examples from Jesus or the Bible.
It feels very intensely to me that the current anti-Racist thrust and much of the discourse around it, while understandably from good intentions, is moralistic to an extreme level and really on that edge of one small step into violence.
@@derpfaddesweisen certainly not, but distorting statistics, metastasising particular instances into group-identifications by mere association and viralising such distortions and metastases through social media, elevating them to meta-distortions and meta-metastasis most certainly is,
"Evil always comes from unconsciousness." Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. We do evil things out of vengance or hatred and cevil inten; and yet we're unconscious of what we are REALLY doing. . .on the deeper level...
Some of Fr Rohr's critics take a rather unuanced view of morality. Although moral principles provide an essential framework for human society, they are rough hewn. People are frequently faced with situations where there are two or more possible courses of action, none of which is morally unimpeachable. We may hope with God's grace to choose the least damaging option but such situations reveal that moral principles alone cannot act as an infallible compass; only love can do that.
I wish those that LISTEN to Fr. Rohr would actually understand the true meaning of his words. It is wonderful but I don't thing many fully understand the meaning of his words.
The tree of the knowledge of Good and evil doing good instead of evil. Pretty much what moralism is. The tree was meant to be a servant to the tree of Life. So we are to be led and live in ,move in the tree of Life through the power of the Spirit and not necessarily by our judgmental moral consciousness.
He's not talking about being moral, but about being 'moralistic': using your 'moral stance' to show both yourself and others how 'holy' you are. Or imposing your moralism on others.
The body of Christ was never meant to experience heirchy , steeples, stained glass, robes and rules, they were meant to live and worship among family's and out in nature..
One of a few who can shut up other evangelicals. Ive never fathomed how one book written by men has such a hold of the world’s faith systems. A tree doesn’t grow towards the sun ☀️ bcuz the tree has defined the heat as another tree. 🌳 or, the sun is denominational. It simply grows towards the sunshine. No meaning or purpose.
I listened the first 15 minutes. Sorry. This talk doesn't reflect who Jesus is, as revealed in the gospels and epistles. It's a sugarcoated version of Jesus. He has the love part, but he's missing the just and obedience side. Jesus was obedient until death. God is a God of wrath, and a God of love. He said whoever loves me obeys my commandments. And yes, god is a God of vengeance no matter how much it may hurt your sense of assurance of heaven, for even Saint Paul was not assured. And the mystics were mystic because they perfectly (as humanly possible) follow the church's teachings. When you follow the church's teachings, your consience is not warning you; you perfectly love God for there is no fear in love. Hebrews 10:30For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that ...You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus .... The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. ~Matthew 22:35-37 ...our sufficiency is from God, who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the [a]Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. ~ 2 Corinthians 3:4-6
@@jfish032 do you understand the quotes you shared. Do you know what the law is or works of the law? They were an endless amount of rituals like handwashings, circumcision, procedures that had to be followed in order to live a life of a holy jew. They are no longer required, but faith expressing itself THROUGH LOVE IS. Through love, what is love? Does love commit mortal sins? Does love walk past homeless people and say James 2:16“Go in peace; stay warm and well fed, but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action, is dead.… James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? The answer is no.
@@brushstroke3733 Where does it say I have to quit my job. Can I not work my job like Joseph and be righteous? I don't worry about tomorrow as the quote you share alludes. "If you pray, don't worry, if you worry, don't pray".
All our questions are answered to in Gods word …. Nothing complicated…. Nothing by any man. Only Gods word stands Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets. Be careful family. All of Gods word is true 2 Timothy 4:2 “ Preach the word ; be prepared in season and out of season ; correct, rebuke and encourage- with great patience and careful instruction. “ why are such words spoken in this group that do not align with The Bible Gods word. We are the church. Acts 2:38 “ Then Peter said unto them, Repent , and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Family do you hear scripture that Jesus spoke from the Bible in this gathering? I hear words of men…. Acts 5:29 Peter and the other apostles replied :” We must obey God rather than human beings ! Do these words align to the scripture in The Bible Gods Word. Pray over this family.
The Bible wasn't written in English, and "repent" is an English word! Do you know the Greek word that was translated to "repent" (back in the 1600s)? Do you know how modern scholars translate that Greek word?
@@lidipops940 Metanoia = Repent = change your perspective = interpret in a different (correct) way. Amakia = Sin = miss the mark So "repent and sin no more" means "change your perspective and stop missing the mark"
@@brushstroke3733 thank you, that makes sense. It's also consistent with what A Course in Miracles says. I wonder whether Richard has any opinion on this book.
In other articles, he discusses the importance of morality as well. His version of mysticism isn't anti community (church) or anti-morality. I value my Christian values and morality, but I also am on a journey to understanding God's grace and love as restorative, not retributive.
When people like you define morality, it always makes other people immoral, and then people like you get to commit the most egregious and atrocious acts of violence and evil upon other people in the name of righteousness and God. You appoint yourselves as the moralists and then hunt down sinners and burn them at the stake. YOU are the embodiment of "evil" action, yet you believe you are a soldier of Christ! Jesus said in his dying breath to forgive you for you know not that YOU crucify him, and so I forgive you. Go in peace, brother.
I think a lot of people are missing the point. When you have a moment of communion with God you realise we're all connected through Christ and no one is going to hell😁🙏❤
Richard U need Jesus . U can't just give up the ego that is works. It's not buy works but buy grace thest any man should boast. Jesus gives U a new Hart. And renues Ur mind. There is no other way
Richard agrees with you. In other talks he affirms that the acceptance of Christ and his sacrifice is the relinquishing of the ego in action. Contemplation isn’t an action to take, but the acceptance of existence as a gift through grace. Open your heart to the idea that there’s more than one way reach the same understandings.
Does anybody out there have any thoughts about the Jesus/Legion story where Jesus sent the demons into 2000ish pigs? I have never heard a good take on it (I have heard takes, but never a good one... Most come up empty and small). I mean, did Jesus not care about those sentient beings that have the ability to feel pain and suffer (an ability that God put in them!!!)? It is like God is saying, "OK, I created all 2000 of you with the ability to suffer and feel pain... Now I will inflict suffering on you by my actions! Bwahahahaha (evil laugh)!" It just doesn't come off as "Thy Kingdom come" or "wolf will live with the lamb" like. Something seems off. If you saw me drowning 2000 puppies (You can't say puppies are much different than pigs... Sorry, both are equally sentient!), I would have the law called on me and be put in prison, and rightly so! If I just stood by and allowed it, that would be seen as awful too. Again, rightly so!! So, is God love in a holistic sense or not? Does God love, REALLY LOVE, the planet, the nonhumans, and the humans, the whole of the Universe or not? Anything less than this does not seem like actual real feet on the ground good news to me at all. True love, that which God supposedly is, it seems to me, either includes it all or it fails, because anything less is totally inadequate. Love, in the deepest God-like sense, is holistic or it is not. God is love all the time in everything or he is not, and if he is not, is he actually love at all (I am talking in the deepest holistic sense here)? I tend to think Jains have a better take on this subject than Christians because they are consistent with their views on mercy and compassion, even though I am looking into if there is indeed a holistic Christianity that is not just about the me me me of humanity, one that includes ALL, and REALLY includes ALL. Anything less is not real sacred love. Everything, for me anyway, hinges on this conundrum. Last thing.... I have heard some say, "You can't blame Jesus for the pigs drowning." Why not? He did indeed allow it. He did play part in this. He was not some innocent bystander. Did he have to give the demons permission to enter the herd? No, he obviously did not! So, sorry, he did indeed play part in their suffering according to this story. Is this really what God is like?
Rohr believes in a god who completely takes away freedom of choice. He believes in a god who says you will be with me for eternity whether you want to or not. What does Rohr do with the fact that Christ is constantly warning us that the way to life is narrow and straight but the road to destruction is wide and narrow? What does Rohr do with Christ talking about separating the sheep from the goats? Does Rohr even believe that man is in need of a Savior dying on the cross? This stuff is absolutely heretical. I fear for his soul. This guy is NOT Christian. He will lead you directly away from God.
What we do has nothing to do with any religious check list made by man. However, while most desire a religion that conforms to their particular lifestyle and beliefs, God does has a moral standard of which He is the judge. Any moral standard that a man or woman could formulate would fall short of the holy standard of morality that God's character reflects and expects in each of us. It is by the power of the Holy Spirit that we are transformed, not by our own conversion power, but we are expected to exercise our will and move towards God in repentant submission to His will. One thing that people miss is that Jesus came to fulfill, or satisfy the requirements of, the law, not abolish the law. He came to do what we were too weak to do in our sinful flesh. By living His life without sin, He overcame the sinful nature and restored what Adam had lost, which broke down the wall of separation between God and man, which was sin. Our sin can and does separate us from God still, but those who are living in Christ are redeemed back to God and forgiven of the former sin which separated them. The "Christian" experience would be more accurately describe as a spiritual Judean/Israeli experience, since the church was and has always been founded Christ Jesus, King of the "Judeans". Judeans are not converted into a Gentile Christianity. Gentiles are born again into a Judean Christianity, the spiritual House of Israel. We are adopted through Christ into God's Kingdom. Mysticism has no place in Christ's church. Mysticism is nothing but witchcraft, which we are admonished to eschew.
Why should it be misleading to speak from your own observations and experiences? That's what Paul and the rest did as well, and we refuse to question their stances - let alone the process that translates their thoughts into our language. Which of Rohr's ideas have you so afraid? Does he contradict life as you've experienced it, or just the teachings you've been instructed to hold onto? I personally can't believe that God would develop us to be so intelligent just to forbid us from applying that intelligence to the creation. What Rohr describes is a God that knows each of us individually, regardless of what information we hold in our own minds.
Yes we can't be morally perfect and it's not by works but be grass we are saved. Jesus distant want us to do the ring thin he wants us to do the morally right thing. We can only do that buy. Submining to him reducing him. Jesus.
This is absurd. He's establishing his own morality creating a paradigm of right and wrong and standing on his own moral high ground. Typical misguided intellectual nonsense.
No, he is throwing out right and wrong which pulls the rug out from under your perceived moral high ground, and you cannot tolerate that. He is sharing clear, obvious wisdom. You need only remove the blinders of social conditioning to see clearly. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear will hear. The seeds of truth rarely find fertile soil.
Who is the one making God have a personality? Isn't that you who personifies God as something like a person who judges and plays favorites like a parent? What makes you think you know what God is? If God made you and the universe, is God not beyond all concept? What is God if not the Absolute, and what is the Absolute? Isn't the Absolute the same as That Which Is Not Relative to Anything? Thus, God is not relative to anything - not apart from you or me, not the same as you or me. God is not the universe and God is not Not The Universe. God is not good and God is not Not Good. Please remove the log from your eye before you come for the splinter in mine.
The "basic gospel" is a misrepresentation of the true gospel, and it is used for control. Stick with it, it's much easier to be one of the herd than to be a lone wolf.
That’s just it! This is the basic gospel - that we all have access to the Father through the example of Christ’s selflessness. What he’s describing here is applied selflessness, letting go of your own mind in order to accept Christ’s.
His teachings of the Cosmic Christ are awful. It is definitely not dogmatic. He uses the word dogmatic to describe his work as a thought stopper. He is teaching a false Christ. His support of new age ideas and practices eg. the thoroughly useless occult practice of the Enneargram is extremely disappointing to say the least. I was taught in High School by deeply spiritual and dedicated Franciscan OFM fathers and brothers. It is sad to see a Franciscan lead Christians astray.
The women at the well was in the wrong, the prodigal son was as well and so were the pharisees. They recognized they failed and they needed forgiveness and wanted to change but the pharisees where blinded by pride. this guy is wrong on so many levels. False teacher and teaches false unbiblical principles.
Richard glorifies himself by creating a strawman argument of the Christian ideal. His ideas are really New Age teachings wrapped up in the cloak of Christ. I have no hate for this man, But his way it’s not the teachings of Christ. He is creating his own religion
All Christian mystics have come to similar realizations as Richard. God speaks to the silent, still mind, not to the mind crowded with ideas and concepts. Did you miss the point of the Garden of Eden story? Humans lived in paradise until they started consuming the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It is our judgment of good and evil that turned our paradise into a perceived hell, and all we have to do to return to paradise is to stop consuming that fruit. As Jesus said, in God's wisdom, the truth was delivered in allegory so a child could understand, but adults who were well indoctrinated in the social customs and religious laws would be baffled. Mark 4: 11 - 12. I leave you with these two quotes about fundamentalists: "Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to kmowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and yet you have hindered those who were entering." Luke 11:52 "...You study the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." John 5: 39-40
@@garygrant6987 They really aren't. Christ preached selflessness and poverty, fulfilling his own teachings in a moment of literal self-sacrifice - overcoming the ego as an example to us all. What Rohr teaches simply distinguishes these concepts from the cultural structures that we've paired with them over time. It's not new-age, but very, very old wisdom.
Much of what Rohr teaches sounds good at face value. However, his denial of the absolute inerrancy of Scripture, the need for penal substitutionary atonement, and the eternal damnation of sinners outside of Christ, i.e., hell, is unbiblical and dangerous. Be Berean-like and search the Scriptures daily (Acts 17:11). Our standard of Truth and Authority comes directly from the Bible, not men, councils, or human creeds. Those things are gifts to the Church, to be sure, but they are not infallible nor are they inerrant. It is imperative, then, to be diligent students of the Word.
@@justinhornsby6742 according to the authority of the apostles and apostolic succession which predates and in fact is responsible for the compilation of the Scripture that is apparently so inerrant it’s spawned 50,000+ Protestant denominations. Lack of a central magisterium guided by the Holy Spirit and descended from the Apostles leads to variously radical and dangerous interpretations of scripture ranging from the Noah’s Arc museum to Joel Olsteen to the Westboro Baptist Church. Repent and return to the one truly, holy, Catholic and apostolic church.
@@LiesandPolitics I've never been to the Noah's Ark museum; I believe Joel Osteen to be a false teacher; and disagree with the teachings and tactics of the Westboro. You 're going to have to give me a specific example of a doctrinal error I"m proporting. Question for you: Is Pope Francis a direct descendent of Peter?
If it ain't what you believe, you attack it in fear. The gospel he points to is much more helpful and true than the story than the false interpretation taught by fundamentalists. You are a collectivist, not a follower of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
@@brushstroke3733 I really appreciate your dedication to calling things what they are. I retract my earlier reply and resign myself to stop surfing these comments. It’s heartbreaking to see so many cling to their egotistical structures, but refreshing to see a few open-hearted individuals around. Cheers to a contemplative existence!
@@JonTheBassist Thanks. I also appreciate you trying to help people see the good news and that you are less antogonistic about it. When I am in my better mind, I try to follow your example and refrain from commenting at all. It is hypocritical of me to offer truth pointings to "others" from my separate point of view. Cheers. Hopefully this will be my last comment.
No that's not the way to go by doing it ron than buy doing it right. It's buy falling at the cross and asking Jesus to come into Ur Hart and make U z new creation.
I was raised in a fundamental Protestant religion. In fact I was a missionary kid. And since I’ve been in and out of church but havn’t been invested in many years. Now at the age of 79 I find Richard Rorh. And I’m so surprised - I had no idea that Christian could really speak to me Wow. Thank you
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I love Father Rohr and St. Francis , as well. My protestant faith has been expanded tremendously.!
I recommend a great film with Richard Rohr in it call American Gospel:Christ Alone.
The question should be who hates the his delusions and poison he spreads in the name of Christ.
I love him, just as Jesus Christ loves him. But I fear for his soul and all who follow him.
Oh wow, tears of joy, relief and soul connection at hearing all this undoing of my religious (and ego) baggage
Richard, You have been my favorite theologian for 40 years. Bless you for actualizing your gift of wisdom and preaching.
You have single-handedly saved my faith Fr Rohr! I sing your praises to many people. You will never know in this world, how the ripples of your life have transformed so many people! And on it goes. We are blessed to have you
I am in total awe of this man's wisdom and humility.
I know.. I just read Adams Return!! It is so exciting 😁
Denis Niedringhaus don’t be so easily fooled.
Really interesting if very brief melee at second-hand w/ Derrida. To the degree Rohr’s informant engages D its quite a lovely connection. Sad the writer grossly mischaracterizes Derrida as “angry” in order to dismiss him.
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Then you have an Orwellian understanding of "wisdom and humility."
I agree one hundred percent with Mr Richard. I have thought this way and love to hear it voiced by someone else
" When I am weak is when I am strong. "
" Being saved by the cross. "
heard a song as a child
" There is one way to peace by the power of the cross his banner over me is love.
There is one way to peace by the power of the cross his banner over me is love.
There is one way to peace by the power of the cross his banner over me is love.
HIS BANNER OVER ME IS LOUVE.
Thanks fr Richard. It's lovly to behold a pure heart. I love your love for truth and for truths sake alone. It's a blessing to be here to hear this. Thanks so much 🙏
I’m agnostic and I’m not really sure what to believe yet. I’m on a path of finding my higher power and Richard has been a big help and I am so grateful for the wisdom and honesty.
This guy is a false prophet. Read The Gospel. It is the truth and the light.
mooji, osho, tolle etc. Non dualism overall, taoism, advaita vedanta, zen or yoga etc. Don't believe, Be.
@@kellydickson896 Ok, Pharisee, self-ordained heresy hunter. This is the Good News
There's a guy named Francis Chan who is very charismatic and will lead you on a good biblical path to Jesus. my only disclaimer is he's not Catholic which is the one true faith, but I haven't found him to be heretical in 99% of his talks. I wouldn't listen to Rohr. His teachings conflict with the bible and the Catholic faith. Jesus is all love and all just, certainly a hard thing to grasp. Rohr misses the just part.
@@FLpalm I think the very fact that you can hear Francis Chan’s teachings and overlook his lack of Catholicism speaks to the spirituality Rohr is describing. It can be present in any one of us who’s willing to let go of their own ego, regardless of cultural affiliations.
Richard , thank you for your gift of bringing true enlightening into my life. God bless and keep you well.
So you like to be lied to.
Rohr did something beautiful here
Thank you for this. I came back to the Catholic Church 1.5 years ago, because I wanted to be around people who loved Jesus as much as I did. I found a few, a couple, but most it seemed to me to want a social club. After mass, people were talking as if they were at a party, or a social dinner. Rarely did anyone want to talk about the Gospel or talk about spiritual experiences or talk about their developing relationship with the Holy Spirit or anything that was relevant to the true spiritual aspirant. I used the COVID lockdown to go on retreat and pray and meditate and follow Jesus advice to Seek ye first the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is within He said, to there is where I went and I tell you, I have had many mini and some larger "miracles". The pastor told me that he considers me a mystic. Okay. Yet, he believes in Hell and a God that would send people there for Eternity if they die unbaptized. He believes that Satan is around every corner. He believes we are in the End Times and that we will all be thrown into FEMA camps because we are Christians. I just can't with this anymore. All I see is God, as Love and God is obvious and in everyone and everything and Life Itself is a glorious Mystery. God condemns no one. That is what I've seen. Sometimes I am just overwhelmed with love FOR and WITH God! I drive and I am overwhelmed by Beauty of the Everything! That everything is Divine. I can see it. It's all Divine. I sent a video to my Pastor describing my current understanding. I have not heard back from him and it has been almost two weeks. He asked me to make a video for parishioners,, speaking about my encounter with Christ, but I think I gave him more than he bargained for. Now I feel adrift and without a spiritual community. But not adrift from God.
Love it!! Keep going in HIM! Don’t listen to an backlash or lies that any religious institution will try to up on you
Your belief system is uniquely yours, but has no grounding ir reality in the holy bible. God does condemn people to hell for unbelief (John 3:18)
@@maryloulongenbaugh7069 It's your position that has no grounding in reality in the bible. 1 Tim 4:10 www.tentmaker.org
This is beautiful, thank you.
Jesus came to save sinners through His death on the cross. He took on sin, descended into Hell, and rose on the third day. God is a just God, and there is a price to sin. However, God is merciful and forgives all sin, if we turn to Him and ask for forgiveness. We know Jesus made a way to God, the Father, and He is the only way to the Father. We must be test the spirits, bc if they don’t line up with teachings of God- they are not of God (1 John 4).
I love Richard Rohr.
He has opened my eyes to a whole different way of seeing. And understanding the gospel. I had already begun to see , and Richard confirmed me, where my own church not only denied whhere i was ging, but wdnt even hear! Were not open enough to ask me? Just the simple "How did you come to believe that?"
Blowing my mind as usual, Mr Rohr :)
The dog is the teacher here . He is just being , experiencing life while the human brain is trying to figure out the how .The dog is the only one not counting .
woo hoo!
you have a natural sleep, Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”
I know!! Wow! I wish I could cut right thru and get right to it
I love dogs, they have been a big part of my life. Dogs are not human, we know this as fact. How much awareness they possess is not known. Being able to ask questions is a large part of being human. Sometimes the questions themselves are more important than the answers. Give the poor dog a bone. God bless.
That is Venus I believe. She passed away. He writes about Venus in his new book.
Richards all those questions you just spoke on has been a thorn in my side for years, how can God be so wicked in acts like you read in the bible the families and babies that was wiped out on Gods command. and then be the loving God we was taught. My grandson sat with me in church and he said after 15min into the mass at the young age of two "up down up down" he was so aware of the ritual. God's Blessings thank you.
It is a strange thing that the writers chose to write so much about their history that could be judged by future generations.
Beautiful. As Jesus said ..those who have ears to hear.." Jesus does not want passive followers. We all must be open to contemplate on and feel more deeply what Jesus teaches us. HE speaks very clearly through Fr Rohr. We are either ready to hear it or we aren't yet... but in time all will 🙏. And yes!.. the dog knows it ..simply and without complicated thought.
“You don’t calculate life, you contemplate life” ❤
The Lord blessed my soul when I was introduced to Father Rohr. His book, Breathing Underwater: Spiritually & The 12 Steps, helped my wife and I better understand and support our son during the dark days of his addiction.
Love the acknowledgement of mysticism in everyday life.
Definitely fear and control. I wish I had got there sooner I'm 70 I'm only getting a different perspective now
Thank you. So freeing. 🌷
Please fix the sound, with all the technology it can be done.because this is such a great talk yet it's so annoying to listen to the static fuzziness.
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for the eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
The man is a complete genius
It seems that the comments section of every Rohr video has an even blend of gratefully liberated and deeply offended replies. In both cases, the comments are all about Richard - he’s either a saint or a heretic. Why do we feel the need to attack or praise the person rather than consider the depth of their ideas? Do you think he’s a heretic because he’s said something doesn’t make sense, or just because it doesn’t align with what another person or institution taught you? If you think his teaching is amazing, does the gratitude extend beyond the messenger to the source of the lesson or does it stop at the human level? I’ve come to many of the same conclusions as Rohr has in my short existence, and I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who sees through the dogma - but deeply disheartened to see so many attacking him as “false prophet” or praising him as “genius”. At the core of his contemplative teaching, all of these labels become meaningless - rather than right or wrong we’re free to accept that everyone is inherently both.
beautiful format! thank you all!
I must admit that I find Richard’s line of thinking intriguing. I know he’s onto something that’s missing from our understanding. However, I also find it a bit overly simplistic to say that God is more or less indifferent to the sin and chaos in our world; that He’s all about love, love and more love. In which case, why did Christ have to suffer and die on the cross? Moreover, doesn’t the sermon on the mount call us to a higher standard of morality? Achievable ONLY by surrendering oneself to Jesus Christ through His grace?
There is a bit of new age vibe going on with him. I think for the most part of what he was talking about moralism was spot on but the end result according to him is a bit off, whereas its all about eliminating the ego. And its funny because he mentioned grace but seems to be focused on works.
I wouldn't really take this guy seriously and be careful with his teachings.
Take him very seriously. He speaks truth in the language of love.
From the video: "...you define yourself by a certain moral stance. Now I think that's understandable as a starting place."
No, that's not a good starting place, that statement is flawed. Yes, we can define ourselves with our morals, but that's not all we define ourselves by. People will define themselves with just about anything, including amoral things like the clothes they wear, their hairstyle, the groups they hang out with, the car they drive, their favorite drink, music, and on, and on...
He's not really saying to be indifferent. That's not how love works. He's just basically saying to keep an eye out about focusing too much on moralism, or staying in the moralistic level. It's not the goal and it really has proven itself to steer us away from the goal - which is unitive consciousness - being one with God. It is exactly like how and why Jesus criticizes the Pharisees. Moral understanding is a consequence of being in the unitive consciousness and shouldn't be the goal itself.
I'm not as eloquent as he is but I try.
I have listened to hundreds of near-death experiences and the God these people describe is Richard's God. Nearly all of them are overwhelmed by the greatest love and acceptance they've ever felt, regardless of what faith they hold or what they've done. Atheists become believers as they return into their normal life, and fundamentalists of any sort become - well, like Richard. They learn that in the end, the only thing that matters is precisely love, love, love. In fact, they go as far as to say that it is the foundation of the universe.
Love the dog shot lol
23 years old im in egoic self but thank God i started young pardon me im compulsive and want to be recognized for my dedication to spirituality ;) for my fellow who troubled in how this works see that in yourself you start here.
Rev. Rohr, mercy and forgiveness is wonderful, but Jesus did say many times after extending it, "Sin no more".
I love listening to Richard Rohr. I find it fascinating, as I read the comments below, how people either love him or despise him! Such a wide variety of responses to this man! Richard has a way of thinking outside of the box, he offers new insights you can learn a lot from him. However, he leans far to the left in his thinking...and spends most of his time criticizing conservative Christians and the "pharisaical tendencies" found in mainstream, orthodox Christianity. It would be better for him to reflect upon and then criticize the unorthodox, heretical left as well (and all the heresies found there). His position would then be more balanced.
He's talking to people who call themselves Christians, not to people who don't identify as Christians. The people you're talking about on the "radical left" do not identify as Christians, thus the discussion would be totally different for them and would not include any examples from Jesus or the Bible.
I needed to hear this!
It feels very intensely to me that the current anti-Racist thrust and much of the discourse around it, while understandably from good intentions, is moralistic to an extreme level and really on that edge of one small step into violence.
Racism kills people every day ... Not wanting cops to abuse their extreme power 24/7 isn't a moralistic issue.
@@derpfaddesweisen certainly not, but distorting statistics, metastasising particular instances into group-identifications by mere association and viralising such distortions and metastases through social media, elevating them to meta-distortions and meta-metastasis most certainly is,
Written by a white person, i suppose, not a person of color, certainly not a black person...
Tolstoy opened my eyes on true morality, which is reflected here.
such good news! thanks!
This is Jesus. Thank you!
"Evil always comes from unconsciousness."
Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.
We do evil things out of vengance or hatred and cevil inten; and yet we're unconscious of what we are REALLY doing. . .on the deeper level...
Some of Fr Rohr's critics take a rather unuanced view of morality. Although moral principles provide an essential framework for human society, they are rough hewn. People are frequently faced with situations where there are two or more possible courses of action, none of which is morally unimpeachable. We may hope with God's grace to choose the least damaging option but such situations reveal that moral principles alone cannot act as an infallible compass; only love can do that.
I wish those that LISTEN to Fr. Rohr would actually understand the true meaning of his words. It is wonderful but I don't thing many fully understand the meaning of his words.
It's not moralism it's called holiness. Walking in the Light
Want more NonDual 'Christian Mysticism'?
WhyNot? ADD "The Gospel of Thomas" to the NT 'Canon' 🙏
Rats! Wish the audio was better.
Yeah the message is pure distortion.
I wonder if there is a difference in “church” as a noun vs “church” as a verb?
I like the words spoken by Peace Pilgrim "spirit of the law versus letter of the law"
What’s the book
Try 'Falling Upward' or Immortal Diamond. They’re both excellent. All his books are.
Yes unchurchify the Gospel bring Christ to the heart of men and women
The tree of the knowledge of Good and evil doing good instead of evil. Pretty much what moralism is. The tree was meant to be a servant to the tree of Life.
So we are to be led and live in ,move in the tree of Life through the power of the Spirit and not necessarily by our judgmental moral consciousness.
So being moral is wrong? I always believed a sense of morality, is compass for decency.
He's not talking about being moral, but about being 'moralistic': using your 'moral stance' to show both yourself and others how 'holy' you are. Or imposing your moralism on others.
Morality and decency what you want, seek? OR is it
Intimate Relationship with God, your Maker that you want, seek?
THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS
The body of Christ was never meant to experience heirchy , steeples, stained glass, robes and rules, they were meant to live and worship among family's and out in nature..
A relationship with Hod, our Maker ... Godding, verb of Gods Being Godness unfolding in our lives n hearts
This is based on a total deviation from what is meant by "morality" - equating it with something more like legalism. Heresy bordering on nihilism.
wonderful! thank you thank you !
WE MUST ALL REALIZE THE KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS WITHIN
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One of a few who can shut up other evangelicals. Ive never fathomed how one book written by men has such a hold of the world’s faith systems. A tree doesn’t grow towards the sun ☀️ bcuz the tree has defined the heat as another tree. 🌳 or, the sun is denominational. It simply grows towards the sunshine. No meaning or purpose.
There are a lot of people with logs in their eyes commenting about splinters in Richard's eyes. God help me forgive them (they know not what they do.)
This isn't Catholic at all! This priest needs to pick up the Catechism
Spot on, thank you🙏❤
I listened the first 15 minutes. Sorry. This talk doesn't reflect who Jesus is, as revealed in the gospels and epistles. It's a sugarcoated version of Jesus. He has the love part, but he's missing the just and obedience side. Jesus was obedient until death. God is a God of wrath, and a God of love. He said whoever loves me obeys my commandments. And yes, god is a God of vengeance no matter how much it may hurt your sense of assurance of heaven, for even Saint Paul was not assured. And the mystics were mystic because they perfectly (as humanly possible) follow the church's teachings. When you follow the church's teachings, your consience is not warning you; you perfectly love God for there is no fear in love.
Hebrews 10:30For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that ...You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus ....
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. ~Matthew 22:35-37
...our sufficiency is from God, who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the [a]Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. ~ 2 Corinthians 3:4-6
@@jfish032 do you understand the quotes you shared. Do you know what the law is or works of the law? They were an endless amount of rituals like handwashings, circumcision, procedures that had to be followed in order to live a life of a holy jew. They are no longer required, but faith expressing itself THROUGH LOVE IS. Through love, what is love? Does love commit mortal sins? Does love walk past homeless people and say James 2:16“Go in peace; stay warm and well fed, but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action, is dead.…
James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?
The answer is no.
@@FLpalm Amen 🙌
@@FLpalm Have you quit your job yet? Let us see the deeds of your faith! Or do you think Jesus was just speaking hypothetically in Matthew 6: 25 - 34?
@@brushstroke3733 Where does it say I have to quit my job. Can I not work my job like Joseph and be righteous?
I don't worry about tomorrow as the quote you share alludes. "If you pray, don't worry, if you worry, don't pray".
Even . . .
'Pagan' FatherSky, MotherEarth
is an improvement
over
Patriarchal,
MasculineTrinity
'Christianity'
Lol 😆 look at all the modern day crusaders and witch burners and ideologues on this comment list uou say the man is crazy huh interesting!
very deep; yet not so deep after all, so obvious we must be transformed; if not, why not?
"Alternative Orthodoxy" is a nonsense term. by being alternative it is by nature heterodox
God was made in men’s image
Is Richard Rohr a monist or a panentheist? Is God personal to him, or something else?
All our questions are answered to in Gods word …. Nothing complicated…. Nothing by any man. Only Gods word stands Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets. Be careful family. All of Gods word is true 2 Timothy 4:2 “ Preach the word ; be prepared in season and out of season ; correct, rebuke and encourage- with great patience and careful instruction. “ why are such words spoken in this group that do not align with The Bible Gods word. We are the church. Acts 2:38 “ Then Peter said unto them, Repent , and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Family do you hear scripture that Jesus spoke from the Bible in this gathering? I hear words of men…. Acts 5:29 Peter and the other apostles replied :” We must obey God rather than human beings ! Do these words align to the scripture in The Bible Gods Word. Pray over this family.
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Please not Meekness and Majesty Manhood and Deity...O what a misery Graham Kendrick Theology...no reference to Richard Rohr really.
The point your missing - is repentance-
The Bible wasn't written in English, and "repent" is an English word! Do you know the Greek word that was translated to "repent" (back in the 1600s)? Do you know how modern scholars translate that Greek word?
@@brushstroke3733 what is the translation?
@@lidipops940 Metanoia = Repent = change your perspective = interpret in a different (correct) way.
Amakia = Sin = miss the mark
So "repent and sin no more" means "change your perspective and stop missing the mark"
@@brushstroke3733 thank you, that makes sense. It's also consistent with what A Course in Miracles says. I wonder whether Richard has any opinion on this book.
Why is he caricaturing people who want to be obedient to God via acting morally? His new mysticism is more like buddha and less like Jesus.
He is misleading so many
In other articles, he discusses the importance of morality as well. His version of mysticism isn't anti community (church) or anti-morality. I value my Christian values and morality, but I also am on a journey to understanding God's grace and love as restorative, not retributive.
When people like you define morality, it always makes other people immoral, and then people like you get to commit the most egregious and atrocious acts of violence and evil upon other people in the name of righteousness and God. You appoint yourselves as the moralists and then hunt down sinners and burn them at the stake. YOU are the embodiment of "evil" action, yet you believe you are a soldier of Christ! Jesus said in his dying breath to forgive you for you know not that YOU crucify him, and so I forgive you. Go in peace, brother.
I think a lot of people are missing the point. When you have a moment of communion with God you realise we're all connected through Christ and no one is going to hell😁🙏❤
@@lawrencegallagher9351 why are you allowing Satan to speak through you?
0:42-0:49 🐶
Richard U need Jesus . U can't just give up the ego that is works. It's not buy works but buy grace thest any man should boast. Jesus gives U a new Hart. And renues Ur mind. There is no other way
Misleading people just
I have no idea what your are trying to say
Richard agrees with you. In other talks he affirms that the acceptance of Christ and his sacrifice is the relinquishing of the ego in action. Contemplation isn’t an action to take, but the acceptance of existence as a gift through grace. Open your heart to the idea that there’s more than one way reach the same understandings.
Does anybody out there have any thoughts about the Jesus/Legion story where Jesus sent the demons into 2000ish pigs? I have never heard a good take on it (I have heard takes, but never a good one... Most come up empty and small). I mean, did Jesus not care about those sentient beings that have the ability to feel pain and suffer (an ability that God put in them!!!)? It is like God is saying, "OK, I created all 2000 of you with the ability to suffer and feel pain... Now I will inflict suffering on you by my actions! Bwahahahaha (evil laugh)!" It just doesn't come off as "Thy Kingdom come" or "wolf will live with the lamb" like. Something seems off. If you saw me drowning 2000 puppies (You can't say puppies are much different than pigs... Sorry, both are equally sentient!), I would have the law called on me and be put in prison, and rightly so! If I just stood by and allowed it, that would be seen as awful too. Again, rightly so!! So, is God love in a holistic sense or not? Does God love, REALLY LOVE, the planet, the nonhumans, and the humans, the whole of the Universe or not? Anything less than this does not seem like actual real feet on the ground good news to me at all. True love, that which God supposedly is, it seems to me, either includes it all or it fails, because anything less is totally inadequate. Love, in the deepest God-like sense, is holistic or it is not. God is love all the time in everything or he is not, and if he is not, is he actually love at all (I am talking in the deepest holistic sense here)? I tend to think Jains have a better take on this subject than Christians because they are consistent with their views on mercy and compassion, even though I am looking into if there is indeed a holistic Christianity that is not just about the me me me of humanity, one that includes ALL, and REALLY includes ALL. Anything less is not real sacred love. Everything, for me anyway, hinges on this conundrum. Last thing.... I have heard some say, "You can't blame Jesus for the pigs drowning." Why not? He did indeed allow it. He did play part in this. He was not some innocent bystander. Did he have to give the demons permission to enter the herd? No, he obviously did not! So, sorry, he did indeed play part in their suffering according to this story. Is this really what God is like?
Dog shots are so gratuitous 😅 jk. Actually a good metaphor for peaceful being in the world.
Rohr believes in a god who completely takes away freedom of choice. He believes in a god who says you will be with me for eternity whether you want to or not. What does Rohr do with the fact that Christ is constantly warning us that the way to life is narrow and straight but the road to destruction is wide and narrow? What does Rohr do with Christ talking about separating the sheep from the goats? Does Rohr even believe that man is in need of a Savior dying on the cross?
This stuff is absolutely heretical. I fear for his soul.
This guy is NOT Christian. He will lead you directly away from God.
Step away from the heresy
Boo! 👎 Step away from the moralism!
You first
What we do has nothing to do with any religious check list made by man. However, while most desire a religion that conforms to their particular lifestyle and beliefs, God does has a moral standard of which He is the judge. Any moral standard that a man or woman could formulate would fall short of the holy standard of morality that God's character reflects and expects in each of us.
It is by the power of the Holy Spirit that we are transformed, not by our own conversion power, but we are expected to exercise our will and move towards God in repentant submission to His will. One thing that people miss is that Jesus came to fulfill, or satisfy the requirements of, the law, not abolish the law. He came to do what we were too weak to do in our sinful flesh. By living His life without sin, He overcame the sinful nature and restored what Adam had lost, which broke down the wall of separation between God and man, which was sin. Our sin can and does separate us from God still, but those who are living in Christ are redeemed back to God and forgiven of the former sin which separated them. The "Christian" experience would be more accurately describe as a spiritual Judean/Israeli experience, since the church was and has always been founded Christ Jesus, King of the "Judeans". Judeans are not converted into a Gentile Christianity. Gentiles are born again into a Judean Christianity, the spiritual House of Israel. We are adopted through Christ into God's Kingdom. Mysticism has no place in Christ's church. Mysticism is nothing but witchcraft, which we are admonished to eschew.
Richard Rohr you're teaching exactly the kind of philosophy apostle Paul warned us about, read there if you can 2:8
you are misleading people please
It's fun being a moralist, isn't it? Don't you love taking the "high ground" (high status position) and attacking down from there? Oh, the irony!
@@brushstroke3733
No I don't
Why should it be misleading to speak from your own observations and experiences? That's what Paul and the rest did as well, and we refuse to question their stances - let alone the process that translates their thoughts into our language. Which of Rohr's ideas have you so afraid? Does he contradict life as you've experienced it, or just the teachings you've been instructed to hold onto? I personally can't believe that God would develop us to be so intelligent just to forbid us from applying that intelligence to the creation. What Rohr describes is a God that knows each of us individually, regardless of what information we hold in our own minds.
Yes we can't be morally perfect and it's not by works but be grass we are saved. Jesus distant want us to do the ring thin he wants us to do the morally right thing. We can only do that buy. Submining to him reducing him. Jesus.
This is absurd. He's establishing his own morality creating a paradigm of right and wrong and standing on his own moral high ground. Typical misguided intellectual nonsense.
He is misleading so many
No, he is throwing out right and wrong which pulls the rug out from under your perceived moral high ground, and you cannot tolerate that. He is sharing clear, obvious wisdom. You need only remove the blinders of social conditioning to see clearly. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear will hear. The seeds of truth rarely find fertile soil.
Richard....no. You can't just make God have whatever personality you are more comfortable with. God is a holy God, and He is very very against sin.
I think not.....Jesus said he who is without sin cast the first stone. none of us can cast a stone. we all have sinned and God loves and forgives
Who is the one making God have a personality? Isn't that you who personifies God as something like a person who judges and plays favorites like a parent?
What makes you think you know what God is? If God made you and the universe, is God not beyond all concept?
What is God if not the Absolute, and what is the Absolute?
Isn't the Absolute the same as That Which Is Not Relative to Anything?
Thus, God is not relative to anything - not apart from you or me, not the same as you or me. God is not the universe and God is not Not The Universe. God is not good and God is not Not Good.
Please remove the log from your eye before you come for the splinter in mine.
return to fasting
Take your Gospel out on the water and see if it stands.
This man uses too big of words to make sense. It sounds dangerous and of a “im all knowing,” mindset. I will stick with the basic gospel thank you.
The "basic gospel" is a misrepresentation of the true gospel, and it is used for control. Stick with it, it's much easier to be one of the herd than to be a lone wolf.
That’s just it! This is the basic gospel - that we all have access to the Father through the example of Christ’s selflessness. What he’s describing here is applied selflessness, letting go of your own mind in order to accept Christ’s.
Proves you need to grow up and not babyfed
His teachings of the Cosmic Christ are awful. It is definitely not dogmatic. He uses the word dogmatic to describe his work as a thought stopper. He is teaching a false Christ. His support of new age ideas and practices eg. the thoroughly useless occult practice of the Enneargram is extremely disappointing to say the least. I was taught in High School by deeply spiritual and dedicated Franciscan OFM fathers and brothers. It is sad to see a Franciscan lead Christians astray.
Enneagram is not a cult practice for God’s sake. Get real.
The women at the well was in the wrong, the prodigal son was as well and so were the pharisees. They recognized they failed and they needed forgiveness and wanted to change but the pharisees where blinded by pride. this guy is wrong on so many levels. False teacher and teaches false unbiblical principles.
I Disagree with what you wrote
Richard glorifies himself by creating a strawman argument of the Christian ideal. His ideas are really New Age teachings wrapped up in the cloak of Christ. I have no hate for this man, But his way it’s not the teachings of Christ. He is creating his own religion
On what basis do you make this claim? What are your reasons?
All Christian mystics have come to similar realizations as Richard. God speaks to the silent, still mind, not to the mind crowded with ideas and concepts. Did you miss the point of the Garden of Eden story? Humans lived in paradise until they started consuming the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It is our judgment of good and evil that turned our paradise into a perceived hell, and all we have to do to return to paradise is to stop consuming that fruit. As Jesus said, in God's wisdom, the truth was delivered in allegory so a child could understand, but adults who were well indoctrinated in the social customs and religious laws would be baffled. Mark 4: 11 - 12.
I leave you with these two quotes about fundamentalists: "Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to kmowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and yet you have hindered those who were entering." Luke 11:52
"...You study the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." John 5: 39-40
@@brushstroke3733 His teachings are contrary to the teachings of Christ.
@@garygrant6987 They really aren't. Christ preached selflessness and poverty, fulfilling his own teachings in a moment of literal self-sacrifice - overcoming the ego as an example to us all. What Rohr teaches simply distinguishes these concepts from the cultural structures that we've paired with them over time. It's not new-age, but very, very old wisdom.
@@garygrant6987 Says who? Are you Christ? What makes you think you know what Christ taught and that Richard Rohr does not?
Is this serious, or a farce?
Much of what Rohr teaches sounds good at face value. However, his denial of the absolute inerrancy of Scripture, the need for penal substitutionary atonement, and the eternal damnation of sinners outside of Christ, i.e., hell, is unbiblical and dangerous. Be Berean-like and search the Scriptures daily (Acts 17:11). Our standard of Truth and Authority comes directly from the Bible, not men, councils, or human creeds. Those things are gifts to the Church, to be sure, but they are not infallible nor are they inerrant. It is imperative, then, to be diligent students of the Word.
Incorrect. What you are preaching is a dangerous misinterpretation of scripture and precisely why we need things like councils.
@@LiesandPolitics What exactly is incorrect? Also, according to what authority?
@@justinhornsby6742 according to the authority of the apostles and apostolic succession which predates and in fact is responsible for the compilation of the Scripture that is apparently so inerrant it’s spawned 50,000+ Protestant denominations.
Lack of a central magisterium guided by the Holy Spirit and descended from the Apostles leads to variously radical and dangerous interpretations of scripture ranging from the Noah’s Arc museum to Joel Olsteen to the Westboro Baptist Church. Repent and return to the one truly, holy, Catholic and apostolic church.
@@LiesandPolitics I've never been to the Noah's Ark museum; I believe Joel Osteen to be a false teacher; and disagree with the teachings and tactics of the Westboro. You 're going to have to give me a specific example of a doctrinal error I"m proporting.
Question for you: Is Pope Francis a direct descendent of Peter?
This guy is a false teacher, very 'fool' of himself. If it ain't the Gospel it ain't true
If it ain't what you believe, you attack it in fear. The gospel he points to is much more helpful and true than the story than the false interpretation taught by fundamentalists. You are a collectivist, not a follower of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
@@brushstroke3733 I really appreciate your dedication to calling things what they are. I retract my earlier reply and resign myself to stop surfing these comments. It’s heartbreaking to see so many cling to their egotistical structures, but refreshing to see a few open-hearted individuals around. Cheers to a contemplative existence!
@@JonTheBassist Thanks. I also appreciate you trying to help people see the good news and that you are less antogonistic about it. When I am in my better mind, I try to follow your example and refrain from commenting at all. It is hypocritical of me to offer truth pointings to "others" from my separate point of view. Cheers. Hopefully this will be my last comment.
Garbage upon garbage.
This ij just new age mysticism not true Christianity.
He's blasphemous
@@kellydickson896 It's actually authentic Christianity vs the moralistic pharisee American Nationalism disguised as Christianity.
What she said☝️
@@sandythornburgh7877 true
False
No that's not the way to go by doing it ron than buy doing it right. It's buy falling at the cross and asking Jesus to come into Ur Hart and make U z new creation.