my north star. I was finding my way back to Jesus, after a 50+ year wandering. But all I had were tired, old, petty, sometimes mean and hurtful guidelines, imposed on me as a child. Then I found Nouwen. Keating. Merton. Thomas Aquinas. Boniventure, Paul of Taursus, Julian of Norwich. Theresa of Liseux, Francis and Clare. Pope Francis' "Laudato Si" and much more. All given to me by Richard, the CAC, and the Franciscan Alternative Orthopraxy. I am home.
@@williamoarlock8634 i don't know what this 'what' means? But the only reason I haven't written sooner is because my mind has been awakened in a new and magnificent way. I only paused long long enough to find the next video. I always KNEW that there was more further on. And there was. An there still IS!
Richard Rohr’s words and thoughts (and scholarship) have brought me back home to Christianity- the words attuned to my heart/gut experience of a long life. I am deeply grateful.
Fr. Richard Rohr is truly an exemplar of a true wisdom on earth: such humility and non-attachment to self that, in fact, shines and gives light to so many. I consider myself incredibly blessed to have known him in my life. He made such a deep impact in my life: for truly knowing myself, God and love itself. My ever-so-deeply love to him with every good and peace.
I love this interview. I have been listening to Fr. Richard since the early 90s. Truly a prophet, bringing God’s word into the moment. It is a profound blessing to see how his teachings have become so purified, so unitive. Not one word is wasted. He seems so pure. He is truly living the “I am”. Great love!
This interview has kept my heart open to our true and Living God. I am so grateful to being led to the Franciscan spiritual way My spiritual companion introduced Richard Rohr book several years ago and I now at 82 still reading his books Blessings
I just fell in love with this human being! God bless him and all his ministry! He is showing us which way christanity will evolve..so we should listen to him...
As always it is a blessing to listen to Fr. Richard and see him on you tube. Richard, as I never tire of saying this, you have changed my life for the better. After reading your books and watching you speak on the TH-cam. You taught me how to understand the true meaning of living a good life. You took me closer to Jesus. Keep well and stay blessed.
20:58 Yeah I was one who listened to those New Ten Great Themes tapes of his too, many times over and over while driving in my ute (the only cassette player I owned). They opened my mind to a different appreciation of the Bible and it became much more accessible to me. ' been an RR fan ever since.
Txs for your comments on non duality and focus on contemplation versus the falseness of certainty. I recall the mantra from growing up "I know whom I have believed." Behavior and conversation from these folks never validated the claim ... created confusion and made me feel deficient for not being "able to get it." Thankful I remained honest to myself by not denying my confusion. From my perspective these days, the confusion seems like a very healthy reaction. Always enjoy Father Rohr. Thank you!
I echo that he is a true gift to humanity and for this time, right now, and will go far into the future. Thank you God for this honest, brave soul speaking Truth.
I feel so relieved when I hear a smart and spiritual man as Father Richard Rohr saying that “Identity policy” is exactly the opposite of a Non Dual Contemplative mind.
I am the child of two Baptist Ministers and grew up to marry a Baptist minster. After we retired I left my churcb and discovered Richard Rohr and to my a amazed joy I heard what I had come to believe. Thank you Father Richard. You have Confirmed me in my faith. And you continue to teach teach me. Sz . STOP more and more unhappy with the teaching. I was lovingly teasedGrady
All the natural religions point to the non-dual experience. Only Christianity through Christ reveals the Father though. A reality far higher then the unitive experience and specifically Christian and reveals a personal Godhead. Gregory Palemas wrote about the “non-dual” state calling it the “unitive uncreated energies of God”. St. Paul mentioned the three Heavens. These are the three emanations of the Father. They are unique Divine experiences of the One body of our Lord. The state of “Oneness “ could be called the first Heaven. This is the highest state of consciousness man can experience naturally. The Father and the mystery of Christ is only revealed by Christ through the Holy Spirit. And when you are brought there before the Father of Lights you can ask whatever you wish and the mysteries will be opened to you. You will receive whatever you ask. This experience Richard doesn’t mention. Contemplation can help but the Father is unapproachable. When our heart can open to the reality of Christ ,you will be “lifted up into the Clouds where He will meet you and all the dead will rise from their graves in the great Resurrection. Then you will know that Jesus was the Christ, the only Son who came to also make us Sons and Daughters of God. The miracle of the Good News is more true then we can imagine. Glory to God for all things!!
Nonduality is not a state of consciousness. You describe a mythical belief rather than the true ground of being. I don't think you really "understand" nondual being if you describe it that way.
Ive grown up with Jesuits..from birth to college and after. The ones I personally experienced were hypocrites, speaking Christ but living sinful lives..drinking, womanizing, living double lives..2 faced. All the while as he says selling Catholics! We dont need middlemen..all we need is Christ. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Light!
Beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean no doubt. Certitude with a quallifier- a great paradox. Judas s almost always appear that's one challenge to certitude and the unitive way.
He wrote a book about how God uses our sin to effect personal growth more than our virtue and success. Maybe theologically it brings convergence where pride might say we have arrived. Thinking we have arrived is a counter-productive conscience orientation.
@@davidmarilley6060 Embrace neither sin nor virtue and you will not fall in any way. You will be lifted instead by the power of a whisper sent forth (through) the beginning of creation. Calling upon all who naturally hear the wisdom of the word to be beacons to those who unnaturally don't! ⚖
Neville Goddard knew a little lot more about churchyard being outside experts being Great but, but, but, but, but......................least with great fans.
@@marytygett4189 But if one is a good old-fashioned Catholic (which I am not) , one believes that "hell" (in this context) means the "limbus patrum", the "limbo of the fathers," that non-punitive but still God-deprived place which the Old Testament righteous folks inhabited until the death of Christ "opened the doors of heaven" for them. "Limbo" was a relatively late construct of Catholic theology to explain how God would judge human beings who, though righteous or free from sin (Old Testament saints or children who died before the age of reason and therefore the capacity for sin), didn't have the benefit of Christ's saving death and resurrection. One can also take the position that since "hell" in the Apostles' Creed translates the word "Hades," all that is meant by saying the Christ descended into hell between his death and resurrection is that he died, i.e. went to Hades, which in Greek was a more neutral word for the place of the dead, more similar to the Hebrew word "sheol" than to Christian ideas of hellfire and damnation. 1 Peter, chapter 3, says that Christ went to "preach to the spirits in prison," which Catholics interpret as Christ proclaiming the good news of his salvific death to the likes of Noah and Abraham, as in, "Although you were righteous, heaven was closed since Adam and Eve's sin, so God sent you to the limbo of the fathers. Now you can get out of limbo and go to heaven, since I died for your sins!!" aka the "harrowing of hell." Granted that the doctrine of both the limbo of the fathers and the limbo of unbaptized infants has pretty much dropped out of catechetical sight since Vatican 2 (except among the most conservative of Catholics), this is the way it was interpreted traditionally. In any case, no orthodox Catholic believes that Jesus went to hell, in the common sense of the word, after his death. However, bizarre cultists such as Kenneth Copeland do.
RR is a cult leader. He says no one really knows what consciousness is. Yet he seems to talk about something he doesn’t know a lot. I would say that is all he talks about. He talks about you as someone who experiences. Where is this mysterious you that has a mind that thinks outside the you? Furthermore, consciousness is being aware of the nature around us. Consciousness is consciousness of something. There is no consciousness in death, or sleep for that matter. If you fall asleep an do not wake up you will not know it. The end of consciousness is the end of knowing. I do not have a soul, I am a soul. I do not have a mind, I am a mind. I do not have a body, I am a body. And as a finite body I will never know some things. We can never get outside the creation and become like the creator. If we join ourselves to the universal we had better know what it is we are joining ourselves to, universal nihilism or universal life. Notice how RR transcends the atonement of the gospels as but another means of coming to God.
There is no your point of view based on your memory and sensual organs after these decay (die). But if consciousness is singular, then the death of your body has nothing to do with it. To give an example of a naturalistic view on the matter of death, look up General Subjective Continuity.
@@almilligan7317 Did I say there's a spirit? You, that is your memories, personality, and everything you think to be you, will decay. There's no contradiction here.
when this man can't comfortably talk about the leader of his own church, then like he said, the task is Mammoth. if we can't build bridges like that then what? but i've never had Hope. i was like "nope" yeah God.
Notice in the comments that Richard elicits only overawed adoration (or rarely: equally unsophisticated anathemas) from his students (rather than dialectical or Socratic mutual questioning in the search for truth). He functions as an oracle or an icon to be reverenced. That kind of hero-worship is a primitive level of spiritual awareness, and not evolved at all. In fact, it's characteristic of cults and other authoritarian groups. Can we bump it up a notch, into true inquiry or even egalitarian mystical community, where no one person is the oracle-who-can't-be-questioned? And if anyone is taking offense at what I'm saying, prove me wrong by offering a little mild, nuanced criticism of anything Richard says or does.
I'll show you what I mean by nuance, by offering some positive evaluations about Richard: he's very good medicine for people who haven't strayed very far from a traditional Christian upbringing, since he shows that liberal Christian theology/spirituality is an option, rather than the dichotomous choice between traditional understandings vs. atheism; he has a good understanding of non-dual states of mind and contemplative prayer; I especially appreciate his bedrock understanding that social action and contemplation can't be truly separated. He takes liberal stances on most of the important social issues. BUT I don't see him stimulating much intellectual activity; I think he dumbs down the rich intellectual tradition associated with contemplative prayer and meditation (no mention of pseudo-Dionysius??) I think when all is said and done, he's pretty tame; and he's not self-disclosing about his personal journey and his personal struggles, which lack of transparency is suspect in my mind and not very inspiring. What is he hiding? It wouldn't be anything....sexual, would it?? ;) ...since we are all sexual beings, even those who take a vow of celibacy, and sexuality is key to spiritual development IMO. And wouldn't it be much more inspiring if he revealed more about his personal stuff? Even confessed a failing or two, with appropriate context? But then the unrealistic sheen on his image might be tarnished a little...except not really, because that would show a spiritual courage which in reality he does NOT show because of his lack of self-disclosure. At this point, he could afford a more personal story without being defrocked or anything, right? So I encourage him to do so! Okay, there! That's what I mean by a tempered response to him. Do you see the value of that, over starry-eyed superlatives that don't stimulate any further reflection?
@@jacqmeyers9053 you left out "and to obey uncritically".... If I'm confronted with a philosophy, yes I do subject it to a critique and see how it fares. That's called "dialectic" and it's the only intelligent method of seeking the truth. Anything less than that partakes of cultism and groupthink. Your comparison of spiritual/philosophical teaching to a concert says a lot about your passivity...but then, doesn't everyone play music critic, at least implicitly, even in their experience of a musical performance?
@@jacqmeyers9053 You assert, in authoritarian manner, "this is not the forum" as if you are barking orders at me, with no reasons, "just obey me". Then you abruptly leave the discussion, not having addressed even an iota of what I've said. You show no awareness of me as a distinct person. Very non-relational, non-dialogical, and non-rational. The sheep (you) identifies with the authority figure (Richard) because he is a closet dictator himself.
I am suggesting that if Richard was ask to blow into a roadside breathalyser he would come in around 0.15 to 0.20 he has been drinking alcohol before this interview
You do realize that Fr Rohr has been undergoing treatment for prostate cancer and has had a serious heart attack. Some of the symptoms you are attributing to alcohol could be from illness and medication.
He has a special voice, and always had, that might sound a bit slurred. He has also had health problems which probably affected it further. It might also be age, I worked with elderly people and some might have slightly slurred speech even if they have not had a stroke (he might, I don't know but I know he had a heart attack and those things are connected). I am almost 100% certain he is not drunk. If you listen to older recordings of him you will hear that the voice is consistent but more slurred now than before.
@@williamoarlock8634 "Our nada, who art in nada, nada be thy name." Apophatic mystics and religious critics of religion (not to mention Hemingway) would agree agreeably with you. Very old news. btw do you exist? or "are" you nothing as well? just curious
False teachers. The Word, Jesus Christ is the Head of His Church and He alone is the focus of the Church, the teaching of the apostles and the Gospel is the main mission of the church and true Christians. Not feeding the hungry, which we should do. Not social justice movements which are of the world. Not defending the sin of adulterers or homosexuals which are 2 of many sins that should never be allowed a foothold in the church. Like other sins such as practicing thieves, practicing murderers, practicing fornicators, practicing abortionists, etc. If they come to Christ in Church with a contrite heart, confessing their sins, praying earnestly for Christ's forgiveness through His Grace He is faithful and just to forgive them. That means if they've honestly been born again people will see a change in their life. Otherwise, if they continue in adultery or filthy homosexual behavior that in itself will be a testimony against them. Rohr, McLaren, Bell, Warren, the Pope, and many others are heretics openly. It's about them and their gnostic mystical approach to Christ's teaching that never existed. Mysticism is condemned in the Word of God. In effect these men and women are anti-christ. They don't rely on the Word of God. They add their own brilliance and progressive junk to His teachings. God has no equal. That is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is One. All others are anti-christ and come from Satan. These people are enamored with themselves and their own progressively worse leftist agenda. They love mixing politics and new age mysticism. They are wolves in sheep clothing. Avoid them. When you see them on the byways of life walk straight ahead. Never looking their way. They are headed for a deep ditch and a fall. Don't be deceived by their poisoned intellect and titles. They follow the same path as Sodom and Gomorrah. Baal, moloch, buddha and allah are their allies. When they're done with their blasphemous plans they'll form others. Theirs is the way of death that leads down only into the pit.
Thanks GOD at age 70 going on 71 I do feel truly I have a human Elder Brother mentor Frater Richard Rohr
Deo Gratias for Fr Richard - what a wonderful human being. A true child of God. He has taught me so much - love how he’s still preaching truths
my north star. I was finding my way back to Jesus, after a 50+ year wandering. But all I had were tired, old, petty, sometimes mean and hurtful guidelines, imposed on me as a child. Then I found Nouwen. Keating. Merton. Thomas Aquinas. Boniventure, Paul of Taursus, Julian of Norwich. Theresa of Liseux, Francis and Clare. Pope Francis' "Laudato Si" and much more. All given to me by Richard, the CAC, and the Franciscan Alternative Orthopraxy. I am home.
I wish everyone could listen to this.
Richard Rohr is a blessing to humanity.
A blessing for bourgeois navel-gazers.
@@williamoarlock8634 68bn.
@@jeanhounsell4199 What?
@@williamoarlock8634 i don't know what this 'what' means?
But the only reason I haven't written sooner is because my mind has been awakened in a new and magnificent way. I only paused long long enough to find the next video. I always KNEW that there was more further on. And there was. An there still IS!
@@jeanhounsell4199 Do they let mental patients have internet access?
I truly love this man. Thank God he knew what he wanted to be one day.
A fat smug windbag.
Richard Rohr’s words and thoughts (and scholarship) have brought me back home to Christianity- the words attuned to my heart/gut experience of a long life. I am deeply grateful.
I am right here with you. Were it not for Fr Rohr, I would never have set foot back in a church.
Fr. Richard Rohr is truly an exemplar of a true wisdom on earth: such humility and non-attachment to self that, in fact, shines and gives light to so many. I consider myself incredibly blessed to have known him in my life. He made such a deep impact in my life: for truly knowing myself, God and love itself. My ever-so-deeply love to him with every good and peace.
I love this interview. I have been listening to Fr. Richard since the early 90s. Truly a prophet, bringing God’s word into the moment. It is a profound blessing to see how his teachings have become so purified, so unitive. Not one word is wasted. He seems so pure. He is truly living the “I am”. Great love!
This interview has kept my heart open to our true and Living God. I am so grateful to being led to the Franciscan spiritual way
My spiritual companion introduced Richard Rohr book several years ago and I now at 82 still reading his books
Blessings
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Thanks for putting this wonderful presentation with Fr.Richard Rohr.
Love him, such a wealth of wisdom and peace.
I just fell in love with this human being! God bless him and all his ministry! He is showing us which way christanity will evolve..so
we should listen to him...
Thank you Richard, You have given me new breath to breathe in the holy. Learning to hold Presence helps us hold everything.
As always it is a blessing to listen to Fr. Richard and see him on you tube. Richard, as I never tire of saying this, you have changed my life for the better. After reading your books and watching you speak on the TH-cam. You taught me how to understand the true meaning of living a good life. You took me closer to Jesus. Keep well and stay blessed.
20:58 Yeah I was one who listened to those New Ten Great Themes tapes of his too, many times over and over while driving in my ute (the only cassette player I owned). They opened my mind to a different appreciation of the Bible and it became much more accessible to me. ' been an RR fan ever since.
This opportunity to see and hear Richard Rohr is a blessing. Thanks to him and to Notre Dame for sharing it.
Fr Rohr is one of a kind. We are very lucky to know him. Even if you've never met him.
Txs for your comments on non duality and focus on contemplation versus the falseness of certainty. I recall the mantra from growing up "I know whom I have believed." Behavior and conversation from these folks never validated the claim ... created confusion and made me feel deficient for not being "able to get it." Thankful I remained honest to myself by not denying my confusion. From my perspective these days, the confusion seems like a very healthy reaction. Always enjoy Father Rohr. Thank you!
I echo that he is a true gift to humanity and for this time, right now, and will go far into the future. Thank you God for this honest, brave soul speaking Truth.
I feel so relieved when I hear a smart and spiritual man as Father Richard Rohr saying that “Identity policy” is exactly the opposite of a Non Dual Contemplative mind.
Love Father Richard Rohr!
Some fine day, more people will hear and read Richard’s words, and be changed. He will be greatly missed when he passes.
I am the child of two Baptist
Ministers and grew up to marry a Baptist minster. After we retired I left my churcb
and discovered Richard Rohr and to my a
amazed joy I heard what I had come to believe.
Thank you Father Richard. You have
Confirmed me in my faith. And you continue to teach teach me.
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more and more unhappy with the teaching. I was lovingly teasedGrady
We all love you you taught how
Such a blessing to us. I love this man Richard Rohr.
"Stadium or arena?" Well, I'm glad Fr. Rohr is concerned with more important things. Richard is a treasure, he really is.
Bless. Everything will be Alright in the End.
Very helpful. Thank you.
Watch: th-cam.com/video/DT9Zm-oQkUM/w-d-xo.html
Great introductory comments! 👏
Oh so beautiful, I suspect we really don’t have a clue in ‘Christendom’!
A wonderful interview. Terrible to be interrupted by ads.
Good direction.
Que verdades!
i bow to the double R
what the Avett brothers asked in Salina, the Lion made possible. aint no tin man.
that last one was deep. goddamn. pay me.
uh maybe dial the creature-worship down a bit
All the natural religions point to the non-dual experience. Only Christianity through Christ reveals the Father though. A reality far higher then the unitive experience and specifically Christian and reveals a personal Godhead. Gregory Palemas wrote about the “non-dual” state calling it the “unitive uncreated energies of God”. St. Paul mentioned the three Heavens. These are the three emanations of the Father. They are unique Divine experiences of the One body of our Lord. The state of “Oneness “ could be called the first Heaven. This is the highest state of consciousness man can experience naturally. The Father and the mystery of Christ is only revealed by Christ through the Holy Spirit. And when you are brought there before the Father of Lights you can ask whatever you wish and the mysteries will be opened to you. You will receive whatever you ask. This experience Richard doesn’t mention. Contemplation can help but the Father is unapproachable. When our heart can open to the reality of Christ ,you will be “lifted up into the Clouds where He will meet you and all the dead will rise from their graves in the great Resurrection. Then you will know that Jesus was the Christ, the only Son who came to also make us Sons and Daughters of God. The miracle of the Good News is more true then we can imagine.
Glory to God for all things!!
Nonduality is not a state of consciousness. You describe a mythical belief rather than the true ground of being. I don't think you really "understand" nondual being if you describe it that way.
What would be the best Richard Rohr' book to understand the dual and non-mind?
1:09:38 What is your "Holy Word?" neat thought.
Since 1985 Richard is my mentor 😂
Ive grown up with Jesuits..from birth to college and after. The ones I personally experienced were hypocrites, speaking Christ but living sinful lives..drinking, womanizing, living double lives..2 faced. All the while as he says selling Catholics! We dont need middlemen..all we need is Christ. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Light!
41:40 when we're trapped in the neuro grooves, we call it truth
❤
Thanks for sharing this with us
30:09 two paths to transformation
Beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean no doubt. Certitude with a quallifier- a great paradox. Judas s almost always appear that's one challenge to certitude and the unitive way.
The word
So be it ;)
History or His Story
So be it
3:08 falling upward? 😳
He wrote a book about how God uses our sin to effect personal growth more than our virtue and success. Maybe theologically it brings convergence where pride might say we have arrived. Thinking we have arrived is a counter-productive conscience orientation.
@@davidmarilley6060
Embrace neither sin nor virtue and you will not fall in any way. You will be lifted instead by the power of a whisper sent forth (through) the beginning of creation. Calling upon all who naturally hear the wisdom of the word to be beacons to those who unnaturally don't! ⚖
Spooky! Good!
Then you never understood rabbi Yeshua in the first place - he preached radical Torah observance, not its abandonment for pagan traditions!
Neville Goddard knew a little lot more about churchyard being outside experts being Great but, but, but, but, but......................least with great fans.
Unending battle not unsending; I must learn to proofread., sorry.
I call it stuck.
Right is to spirituality what Hunter Biden is to Art.
Taste of Life and death
Prayers continue for the mystical body of Christ 🌹🙏😞 Hell is NOT empty .
How can the mystical body of Christ, being divine, need our prayers? Are you saying parts of the mystical body of Christ are in danger of hellfire? 🤔
@@Robb3348 We are the mystical body of Christ 🌹🙏
@@marytygett4189 Awesome! then we're not in danger of hellfire, I infer, unless Christ can go to hell
@@Robb3348 He descended into hell and on the 3rd day rose from the dead in accordance with the scriptures .
@@marytygett4189 But if one is a good old-fashioned Catholic (which I am not) , one believes that "hell" (in this context) means the "limbus patrum", the "limbo of the fathers," that non-punitive but still God-deprived place which the Old Testament righteous folks inhabited until the death of Christ "opened the doors of heaven" for them. "Limbo" was a relatively late construct of Catholic theology to explain how God would judge human beings who, though righteous or free from sin (Old Testament saints or children who died before the age of reason and therefore the capacity for sin), didn't have the benefit of Christ's saving death and resurrection. One can also take the position that since "hell" in the Apostles' Creed translates the word "Hades," all that is meant by saying the Christ descended into hell between his death and resurrection is that he died, i.e. went to Hades, which in Greek was a more neutral word for the place of the dead, more similar to the Hebrew word "sheol" than to Christian ideas of hellfire and damnation. 1 Peter, chapter 3, says that Christ went to "preach to the spirits in prison," which Catholics interpret as Christ proclaiming the good news of his salvific death to the likes of Noah and Abraham, as in, "Although you were righteous, heaven was closed since Adam and Eve's sin, so God sent you to the limbo of the fathers. Now you can get out of limbo and go to heaven, since I died for your sins!!" aka the "harrowing of hell." Granted that the doctrine of both the limbo of the fathers and the limbo of unbaptized infants has pretty much dropped out of catechetical sight since Vatican 2 (except among the most conservative of Catholics), this is the way it was interpreted traditionally. In any case, no orthodox Catholic believes that Jesus went to hell, in the common sense of the word, after his death. However, bizarre cultists such as Kenneth Copeland do.
Hard knocks lol
RR is a cult leader. He says no one really knows what consciousness is. Yet he seems to talk about something he doesn’t know a lot. I would say that is all he talks about. He talks about you as someone who experiences. Where is this mysterious you that has a mind that thinks outside the you? Furthermore, consciousness is being aware of the nature around us. Consciousness is consciousness of something. There is no consciousness in death, or sleep for that matter. If you fall asleep an do not wake up you will not know it. The end of consciousness is the end of knowing. I do not have a soul, I am a soul. I do not have a mind, I am a mind. I do not have a body, I am a body. And as a finite body I will never know some things. We can never get outside the creation and become like the creator. If we join ourselves to the universal we had better know what it is we are joining ourselves to, universal nihilism or universal life. Notice how RR transcends the atonement of the gospels as but another means of coming to God.
There is no your point of view based on your memory and sensual organs after these decay (die). But if consciousness is singular, then the death of your body has nothing to do with it. To give an example of a naturalistic view on the matter of death, look up General Subjective Continuity.
@@JHeb_ you are your body, not some spirit inside the body.
@@almilligan7317
Did I say there's a spirit? You, that is your memories, personality, and everything you think to be you, will decay. There's no contradiction here.
42:35 negative hateful thoughts
when this man can't comfortably talk about the leader of his own church, then like he said, the task is Mammoth.
if we can't build bridges like that then what?
but i've never had Hope.
i was like "nope"
yeah God.
¡........!
JESUS is Human & Divine That is the TRUE Deposit of FAITH How dare you Distort...You are devils advocate !!!
Wolf in sheep's clothing...stay away from Richard Rohr
Heresy...!!
This is not Catholic!
He sounds completely drunk!?
Notice in the comments that Richard elicits only overawed adoration (or rarely: equally unsophisticated anathemas) from his students (rather than dialectical or Socratic mutual questioning in the search for truth). He functions as an oracle or an icon to be reverenced. That kind of hero-worship is a primitive level of spiritual awareness, and not evolved at all. In fact, it's characteristic of cults and other authoritarian groups. Can we bump it up a notch, into true inquiry or even egalitarian mystical community, where no one person is the oracle-who-can't-be-questioned? And if anyone is taking offense at what I'm saying, prove me wrong by offering a little mild, nuanced criticism of anything Richard says or does.
I'll show you what I mean by nuance, by offering some positive evaluations about Richard: he's very good medicine for people who haven't strayed very far from a traditional Christian upbringing, since he shows that liberal Christian theology/spirituality is an option, rather than the dichotomous choice between traditional understandings vs. atheism; he has a good understanding of non-dual states of mind and contemplative prayer; I especially appreciate his bedrock understanding that social action and contemplation can't be truly separated. He takes liberal stances on most of the important social issues. BUT I don't see him stimulating much intellectual activity; I think he dumbs down the rich intellectual tradition associated with contemplative prayer and meditation (no mention of pseudo-Dionysius??) I think when all is said and done, he's pretty tame; and he's not self-disclosing about his personal journey and his personal struggles, which lack of transparency is suspect in my mind and not very inspiring. What is he hiding? It wouldn't be anything....sexual, would it?? ;) ...since we are all sexual beings, even those who take a vow of celibacy, and sexuality is key to spiritual development IMO. And wouldn't it be much more inspiring if he revealed more about his personal stuff? Even confessed a failing or two, with appropriate context? But then the unrealistic sheen on his image might be tarnished a little...except not really, because that would show a spiritual courage which in reality he does NOT show because of his lack of self-disclosure. At this point, he could afford a more personal story without being defrocked or anything, right? So I encourage him to do so! Okay, there! That's what I mean by a tempered response to him. Do you see the value of that, over starry-eyed superlatives that don't stimulate any further reflection?
When you go to a concert, do you bring your playlist and blast it above the artists music? Didn't think so. We are here to heal and learn.
@@jacqmeyers9053 you left out "and to obey uncritically".... If I'm confronted with a philosophy, yes I do subject it to a critique and see how it fares. That's called "dialectic" and it's the only intelligent method of seeking the truth. Anything less than that partakes of cultism and groupthink. Your comparison of spiritual/philosophical teaching to a concert says a lot about your passivity...but then, doesn't everyone play music critic, at least implicitly, even in their experience of a musical performance?
@@Robb3348 this is not the forum for the critical analysis you are seeking. Thus my concert reference. I am finished with this discussion.
@@jacqmeyers9053 You assert, in authoritarian manner, "this is not the forum" as if you are barking orders at me, with no reasons, "just obey me". Then you abruptly leave the discussion, not having addressed even an iota of what I've said. You show no awareness of me as a distinct person. Very non-relational, non-dialogical, and non-rational. The sheep (you) identifies with the authority figure (Richard) because he is a closet dictator himself.
I am suggesting that if Richard was ask to blow into a roadside breathalyser he would come in around 0.15 to 0.20 he has been drinking alcohol before this interview
You do realize that Fr Rohr has been undergoing treatment for prostate cancer and has had a serious heart attack. Some of the symptoms you are attributing to alcohol could be from illness and medication.
All told, with all things factually taken into account, this is an heroic effort.
He has a special voice, and always had, that might sound a bit slurred. He has also had health problems which probably affected it further. It might also be age, I worked with elderly people and some might have slightly slurred speech even if they have not had a stroke (he might, I don't know but I know he had a heart attack and those things are connected). I am almost 100% certain he is not drunk. If you listen to older recordings of him you will hear that the voice is consistent but more slurred now than before.
Vacuous sophistry.
are two words.
@@sawtoothiandi Vacuous sophistry gasbag would be *your* 'trinity' then.
@@williamoarlock8634 aha, youre a trinitarian at heart ☘
@@williamoarlock8634 how many types of nothing are there?
@@williamoarlock8634 "Our nada, who art in nada, nada be thy name." Apophatic mystics and religious critics of religion (not to mention Hemingway) would agree agreeably with you. Very old news. btw do you exist? or "are" you nothing as well? just curious
False teachers. The Word, Jesus Christ is the Head of His Church and He alone is the focus of the Church, the teaching of the apostles and the Gospel is the main mission of the church and true Christians. Not feeding the hungry, which we should do. Not social justice movements which are of the world. Not defending the sin of adulterers or homosexuals which are 2 of many sins that should never be allowed a foothold in the church. Like other sins such as practicing thieves, practicing murderers, practicing fornicators, practicing abortionists, etc. If they come to Christ in Church with a contrite heart, confessing their sins, praying earnestly for Christ's forgiveness through His Grace He is faithful and just to forgive them. That means if they've honestly been born again people will see a change in their life. Otherwise, if they continue in adultery or filthy homosexual behavior that in itself will be a testimony against them. Rohr, McLaren, Bell, Warren, the Pope, and many others are heretics openly. It's about them and their gnostic mystical approach to Christ's teaching that never existed. Mysticism is condemned in the Word of God. In effect these men and women are anti-christ. They don't rely on the Word of God. They add their own brilliance and progressive junk to His teachings. God has no equal. That is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is One. All others are anti-christ and come from Satan. These people are enamored with themselves and their own progressively worse leftist agenda. They love mixing politics and new age mysticism. They are wolves in sheep clothing. Avoid them. When you see them on the byways of life walk straight ahead. Never looking their way. They are headed for a deep ditch and a fall. Don't be deceived by their poisoned intellect and titles. They follow the same path as Sodom and Gomorrah. Baal, moloch, buddha and allah are their allies. When they're done with their blasphemous plans they'll form others. Theirs is the way of death that leads down only into the pit.
Jesus was a mystic. He was openly against the rigid pharisee doctrine. It's the fundamentalists like yourself who are the "real" heretics.