Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend been working on this for a bit actually and never finished till today! Do you think if the Grand Supreme Kai never lost the bulk of his God power against Moro that he would of been able to defeat Buu? I think the Lord of Lords would of come out on top and eliminated Buu but what do you think?
@@thelegendhimself. The way the story plays out implies that and Canon Dragonball rarely power scales wrong. Sdb heroes, Dbz movies, and Gt do get it wrong and it's gross tbh but dragon ball Canon doesn't. Another example of Dragonball super actually being right is the Gohan vs Kefla fight in the manga. I heard screams of plothole but you guys are obviously wrong or it wouldn't be Canon. Just like how I know how strong future trunks was when he beat dabura in his timeline. Dragon Ball Super has been a show you not tell you kind of anime and you want dialogue proof? It's redic tbh. I gave you leads to the proof and you can take it or leave it. Side note: One Dbz movie that was actually scaled right was super android 13 .
Another awesome video 🎥 WHAT IF THEORIES!! And I agree if the Grand Supreme Kai had his full God powers buu would have been history theirs no doubt in my mind 🧠 I don't think buu would have been able to compete against that level of power and abilities!!💥
Yea I might explore older DB, especially since we are still waiting on a new DB Anime. I do plan on branching out into Science video and other What IF topics. Actually was the initial plan and did a few science vids 3 years ago. Then the Anime just took off and got so busy with that.
Fully powered grand kai would have sealed buu weather or not the other kai’s were defeated and or absorbed. However imagine how powerful buu would be if he had somehow absorbed full powered grand kai, and south kai. Would Goku’s spirit bomb be enough to defeat buu then?
Well it wouldn't have mattered since the spirit bomb was used to kill kid buu! Remember he had spat out fat buu who was the one that had the grand Supreme kai In him
am saying this before seeing the video :- Majin buu. His abilties are too op. If grand supreme kai is able to land the sealing technique then game over for buu .
I'd like to think GSK was the prev. Supreme Kai of U7. Shin would be GSK's apprentice, which would explain why GSK would risk his own life to save Shin from Buu. It would be interesting to see what a canonical *Majin Uub* would be like. That's GSK regaining a part of him from Kid Buu PLUS the two Buus' combined powers and abilities.
@2:18 Could this be it? The real origin of the pokerface meme? Rofl. About the video in question, we both know that they did a massive retcon with the Grand Supreme kai during the Moro arc, not saying it is a bad one but it essentially puts him on a very high tier of power within the "lesser gods" hierarchy. These kais were fighting Moro, Moro himself stated when he was regaining his youth, that back in his prime, he would make quick work of Goku and Vegeta without too much hassle. If South Supreme kai and Grand Supreme kai fought against prime Moro, who was likely to be even beyond of what we have seen from Moro 73. Wouldn't this mean that South Supreme kai would have to be strong as F to be able to be of any use there. We get to see him handle kid buu back in the day, i would have placed him somewhere between SSJ2-SSJ3 Goku level in terms of power based on DBZ alone but this chances if we include DBS. The only explanation i see for this issue, is that when Buff Buu was about to absorb the Grand Supreme kai, Grand Supreme kai actually nerfed buu so much to the point where his power could be rivaled by mortals. So when Buu wakes up next time, he literally is weak as hell. This is something that GSK did to buu in DBZ, but the power nerf could be much larger than it should be. I just find it hard to believe that buu was this weak back then, when they decided to retcon almost everything. South Supreme kai would have to be leagues ahead of what we saw in DBZ. With this said, only thing left to assume is Buu's original power before he got nerfed to trash tier. Given that he is time immemorial, i would assume his power to be sitting at the top of the food chain from the moment he existed. This would imply that, all the supreme kais fighting buu, were actually "leagues ahead" of Goku and company back then, except for east supreme kai, who was described to be the youngest of the bunch. But then again, we would have another issue with supreme kais from other universes, they all seem to display weakness in battle, maybe except for 1 or 2 that could be questionable. They mostly display smart observations and nothing else, with some of them being poor minded as seen during the TOP. So yeah, chances are that, the original buu, could actually be the strongest being in universe 7 at some point before the GSK moment. He is essentially an avatar of destruction, wakes up, destroys, goes to sleep, repeat. Buu is essentially the counter to Moro, if both had faced each other back then, it would be likely that Buu would have absorbed Moro and we would have the most OP character in the show, ignoring the gods. I would assume in the end, that buu before getting nerfed, was somewhere around the same tier of power as prime Moro and prime GSK. Moro uses cheats and hacks to bypass the laws of the universe, which makes him stronger and live longer. Buu was essentially born before the universe, so i think it would make sense for his cheats and hacks to be "top tier", Buu doesn't age and is pretty much immortal unless completly obliterated (similar to hakai).
My first Instinct is saying Grand Supreme Kai would have won but Buu is so tricky I feel as if it would have ended roughly the same. Bigger question however, why did the GSK slack on training Shin. Poor boy didn't even know who Beerus or Zeno was,
Yea tough to say if GSK slacked on training Shin. There were 3 other Supreme Kai's technically besides him. I mean Shin probably was last in line for the job of Supreme Kai. Then Buu happened and everything changed so he became the guy.
I would think that the GSK slack on training because things were pretty much peaceful for the millions of year and felt that the other kais had things under control til but came along
If he really needed that power to fight buu then I kinda doubt it. Because it'd mean kid buu would be stronger than he originally was too, wouldn't it? . :p
@@eli.0006 well this is a what if so in this fight if the grand Kai is at full strength then we should say kid buu would some amount of God ki unlocked. :p
Shouldn't Ultimate Gohan be leagues ahead of ssj 3 Goku? I am not a huge power leveler so was refreshing my memory of DBZ power levels since we still had numbers back then. Saw Mystic Gohan at 42 billion it was stated he is stronger than ssj 3 Gotenks and he easily was pushing Buu around before he absorbed them. So when Goku fought Kid Buu as ssj 3 he had a power level of 24 billion.
@@WhatIfTheories firstly power levels stop being used after the "Frieza saga" so the power levels that you know are just made by a fan. Secondly I agree that Ultimate Gohan is stronger than ssj3 Goku I was just curious to see your thoughts on matter given that there are power leveler that take information from the manga and take it out of context as well as using filler material from the anime that contradicts the manga itself.
@@bluelock700 Thanks, Yea I often don't think of proper English and definitely don't talk that way between my accents. It's a philly/southern thing. Definitely say it like "Woodyof" all the time haha.
Is the grand supreme kai is the father of all supreme kai in cosmos? Because like the grand priest the father of all angels he has grand in his name, does it mean the grand supreme kai is the father of all supreme kai?
Apparently Buu gained most of his magical powers from Grand Supreme Kai so Buu but also Kid Buu never used the candy attack as he was all about destruction and never used the Candy Beam
Kid Buu did use Candy Beam in the manga. It was one instance against Goku during Vegeta's speech. It's easy to miss, and the anime didn't include it for some reason.
Full power grand supreme kai obviously…? Kid buu couldn’t even access the grand supreme kais power that he had, when mr buu did, he could rank the planet beams of namek, which super saiyan god vegeta couldn’t do. And mr buu has essentially none of the god power of grand supreme kai, he wins easily.
False because it was stated that South Supreme Kai is stronger than Dai Kaioshin Yet both of them couldn't take on Moro So theoretically Buu should be godly after absorbing the south supreme kai...
Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend been working on this for a bit actually and never finished till today! Do you think if the Grand Supreme Kai never lost the bulk of his God power against Moro that he would of been able to defeat Buu? I think the Lord of Lords would of come out on top and eliminated Buu but what do you think?
Yes the Grand Supreme Kai would definitely obliterate Buu if he had all of his power.
The fact that goku/vegeta can even be on the level of these gods makes them week considering they have millions of years to train
They're lazy, because they're complacent.
They’re creation gods not warriors
If giving up almost all of his power sealed Moro then he could easily deal with buu.
Agree
Moro wasn't, at that point, as strong as buu when he had his magic sealed.
@@TheWordofHeraldHarkins and you know that how?
@@thelegendhimself. The way the story plays out implies that and Canon Dragonball rarely power scales wrong. Sdb heroes, Dbz movies, and Gt do get it wrong and it's gross tbh but dragon ball Canon doesn't. Another example of Dragonball super actually being right is the Gohan vs Kefla fight in the manga. I heard screams of plothole but you guys are obviously wrong or it wouldn't be Canon. Just like how I know how strong future trunks was when he beat dabura in his timeline. Dragon Ball Super has been a show you not tell you kind of anime and you want dialogue proof? It's redic tbh. I gave you leads to the proof and you can take it or leave it.
Side note: One Dbz movie that was actually scaled right was super android 13 .
@@TheWordofHeraldHarkinsAward for least convincing argument definitely belongs to this reply.
Last time I was this early, Zamasu was on his Kai Planet playing with his pig pet and I believe this kai was cold asf, just wrong place wrong time
Another awesome video 🎥 WHAT IF THEORIES!! And I agree if the Grand Supreme Kai had his full God powers buu would have been history theirs no doubt in my mind 🧠 I don't think buu would have been able to compete against that level of power and abilities!!💥
Fat Buu is one of my favorite characters in the dargon ball uni.. well, multiverse
great work as always mate
Wouldn't mind seeing more theory videos on older DB. Even other anime unless DB is all ur into
Yea I might explore older DB, especially since we are still waiting on a new DB Anime. I do plan on branching out into Science video and other What IF topics. Actually was the initial plan and did a few science vids 3 years ago. Then the Anime just took off and got so busy with that.
@@WhatIfTheories that sounds good.
What if the South kai and grand kai fused to fight buu?
4:34 "I didn't like buu at first but he kinda grows on you"😆😂🤣...I'm assuming all pun was intended
As the name implies he is the Lord of Lords and would have destroyed Buu.
Fully powered grand kai would have sealed buu weather or not the other kai’s were defeated and or absorbed. However imagine how powerful buu would be if he had somehow absorbed full powered grand kai, and south kai. Would Goku’s spirit bomb be enough to defeat buu then?
Well it wouldn't have mattered since the spirit bomb was used to kill kid buu! Remember he had spat out fat buu who was the one that had the grand Supreme kai In him
Doubt because South Supreme Kai is stronger than Dai Kaioshin yet he lost to buu
We need the Grand Supreme Kai instead of Shin.
Yea Shin doesn't know much guess he never got trained properly though
am saying this before seeing the video :- Majin buu. His abilties are too op. If grand supreme kai is able to land the sealing technique then game over for buu .
I'd like to think GSK was the prev. Supreme Kai of U7. Shin would be GSK's apprentice, which would explain why GSK would risk his own life to save Shin from Buu.
It would be interesting to see what a canonical *Majin Uub* would be like. That's GSK regaining a part of him from Kid Buu PLUS the two Buus' combined powers and abilities.
5:25 bruh south kai's face😐😐😐🤣🤣🤣
I believe so
Grand supreme kai's God ki was massive as we saw when Uub shared it with Goku.
Only there was a situation where when Buu swallowed Grand Supreme Kai, Grand Supreme Kai changed his race to Buu
@2:18
Could this be it? The real origin of the pokerface meme? Rofl.
About the video in question, we both know that they did a massive retcon with the Grand Supreme kai during the Moro arc, not saying it is a bad one but it essentially puts him on a very high tier of power within the "lesser gods" hierarchy.
These kais were fighting Moro, Moro himself stated when he was regaining his youth, that back in his prime, he would make quick work of Goku and Vegeta without too much hassle. If South Supreme kai and Grand Supreme kai fought against prime Moro, who was likely to be even beyond of what we have seen from Moro 73. Wouldn't this mean that South Supreme kai would have to be strong as F to be able to be of any use there. We get to see him handle kid buu back in the day, i would have placed him somewhere between SSJ2-SSJ3 Goku level in terms of power based on DBZ alone but this chances if we include DBS.
The only explanation i see for this issue, is that when Buff Buu was about to absorb the Grand Supreme kai, Grand Supreme kai actually nerfed buu so much to the point where his power could be rivaled by mortals. So when Buu wakes up next time, he literally is weak as hell. This is something that GSK did to buu in DBZ, but the power nerf could be much larger than it should be. I just find it hard to believe that buu was this weak back then, when they decided to retcon almost everything. South Supreme kai would have to be leagues ahead of what we saw in DBZ.
With this said, only thing left to assume is Buu's original power before he got nerfed to trash tier. Given that he is time immemorial, i would assume his power to be sitting at the top of the food chain from the moment he existed. This would imply that, all the supreme kais fighting buu, were actually "leagues ahead" of Goku and company back then, except for east supreme kai, who was described to be the youngest of the bunch. But then again, we would have another issue with supreme kais from other universes, they all seem to display weakness in battle, maybe except for 1 or 2 that could be questionable. They mostly display smart observations and nothing else, with some of them being poor minded as seen during the TOP.
So yeah, chances are that, the original buu, could actually be the strongest being in universe 7 at some point before the GSK moment. He is essentially an avatar of destruction, wakes up, destroys, goes to sleep, repeat. Buu is essentially the counter to Moro, if both had faced each other back then, it would be likely that Buu would have absorbed Moro and we would have the most OP character in the show, ignoring the gods. I would assume in the end, that buu before getting nerfed, was somewhere around the same tier of power as prime Moro and prime GSK.
Moro uses cheats and hacks to bypass the laws of the universe, which makes him stronger and live longer. Buu was essentially born before the universe, so i think it would make sense for his cheats and hacks to be "top tier", Buu doesn't age and is pretty much immortal unless completly obliterated (similar to hakai).
Great analysis and now I have the image of Buu absorbing Moro, that would be pretty nasty.
My first Instinct is saying Grand Supreme Kai would have won but Buu is so tricky I feel as if it would have ended roughly the same. Bigger question however, why did the GSK slack on training Shin. Poor boy didn't even know who Beerus or Zeno was,
Yea tough to say if GSK slacked on training Shin. There were 3 other Supreme Kai's technically besides him. I mean Shin probably was last in line for the job of Supreme Kai. Then Buu happened and everything changed so he became the guy.
I would think that the GSK slack on training because things were pretty much peaceful for the millions of year and felt that the other kais had things under control til but came along
If he really needed that power to fight buu then I kinda doubt it. Because it'd mean kid buu would be stronger than he originally was too, wouldn't it? . :p
Kid buu never unlocked that god power inside of him
@@eli.0006 well this is a what if so in this fight if the grand Kai is at full strength then we should say kid buu would some amount of God ki unlocked. :p
grand kai would one shot idk whoever make their first move wins well
Could you do a video about "ssj3 Goku vs Ultimate Gohan" and give your thoughts on who wins and why.
Shouldn't Ultimate Gohan be leagues ahead of ssj 3 Goku? I am not a huge power leveler so was refreshing my memory of DBZ power levels since we still had numbers back then. Saw Mystic Gohan at 42 billion it was stated he is stronger than ssj 3 Gotenks and he easily was pushing Buu around before he absorbed them. So when Goku fought Kid Buu as ssj 3 he had a power level of 24 billion.
@@WhatIfTheories firstly power levels stop being used after the "Frieza saga" so the power levels that you know are just made by a fan. Secondly I agree that Ultimate Gohan is stronger than ssj3 Goku I was just curious to see your thoughts on matter given that there are power leveler that take information from the manga and take it out of context as well as using filler material from the anime that contradicts the manga itself.
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@@bluelock700 Thanks, Yea I often don't think of proper English and definitely don't talk that way between my accents. It's a philly/southern thing. Definitely say it like "Woodyof" all the time haha.
@@WhatIfTheories lol.
@@WhatIfTheories Its alright 😎 and I didnt even notice till I saw this comment;)
Is the grand supreme kai is the father of all supreme kai in cosmos? Because like the grand priest the father of all angels he has grand in his name, does it mean the grand supreme kai is the father of all supreme kai?
Im late to the party, but if South Supreme Kai is stronger than Dai Kaioshin, how did South Supreme Kai lose to Majin Buu?
Full power Supreme Kai probably mid diff kid buu, worst case scenario.
Apparently Buu gained most of his magical powers from Grand Supreme Kai so Buu but also Kid Buu never used the candy attack as he was all about destruction and never used the Candy Beam
Kid Buu did use Candy Beam in the manga. It was one instance against Goku during Vegeta's speech. It's easy to miss, and the anime didn't include it for some reason.
I am sure grand supreme kai had more powerful techniques even while fighting Moro so he would not copy it.
Full power grand supreme kai obviously…? Kid buu couldn’t even access the grand supreme kais power that he had, when mr buu did, he could rank the planet beams of namek, which super saiyan god vegeta couldn’t do. And mr buu has essentially none of the god power of grand supreme kai, he wins easily.
Isn’t full power grand supreme Kai relative to Moro who far surpasses super sayian god goku who is universal
Full Power Grand Supreme Kai would one shot Buu whether he absorbed South Kai or not.
False because it was stated that South Supreme Kai is stronger than Dai Kaioshin
Yet both of them couldn't take on Moro
So theoretically Buu should be godly after absorbing the south supreme kai...