It's interesting that Caesar-Chavannes was surprised to find out she was a "diversity hire" when her previous employment in 2001 was as the new Senior Advisor, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusivity (EDI) Initiatives in the Faculty of Health Sciences at Queens University.
Celina, you are a very courageous and strong woman. After listening to your story, I have to say that I deeply respect your conviction and ethics. You are to be applauded 😊
As an American and seeing the failures of both Canada's and my country's political leaders, I think it is time the people of our 2 great countries stand up and demand accountability.
This was a phenomenal interview. You have no idea what you have done. Thank you. I felt like I was going in circles and thinking their is something wrong with me and their isnt. Ive cried, sleepless nights, night terrors, you name it. A black girl born and raised in Canada has gotten harder as I have gotten older. Thank you for providing this amazing women on your platform to speak her truth.
It's interesting that Caesar-Chavannes was surprised to find out she was a "diversity hire" when her previous employment in 2001 was as the new Senior Advisor, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusivity (EDI) Initiatives in the Faculty of Health Sciences at Queens University.
A lesser person may have capitalized on their "role" as token minority showpiece. Celina clearly was so much more capable than what Trudeau picked her for. And THIS is precisely the evil side of DEI...that competent people are treated like token identifiers rather than high functioning members of a team - regardless of gender, ethnicity etc!
It's interesting that Caesar-Chavannes was surprised to find out she was a "diversity hire" when her previous employment in 2001 was as the new Senior Advisor, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusivity (EDI) Initiatives in the Faculty of Health Sciences at Queens University where she promoted diversity hiring.
1000% well said. DEI contradicts Martin Luther King's speech - judging people by the colour of their skin rather than by the content of their character. Well, I'm beyond IMPRESSED by Celina's character.
I'm not sure why any thinking person would give heed to the imperfect opinions of some ignorant psychology professor. There are a handful of EXTREMELY wise sages currently on this planet who can logically and completely answer practically any question that an intelligent soul is likely to ask regarding morals and ethics. The fact that Jordan supports men buggering each other (by which I mean, that he supports homosexuality and other criminal activities, such as the unnecessary consumption of poor innocent animals) is MORE than sufficient proof that he is not as religious as he claims, and that any decent, holy person ought to shun his inane teachings and flee into the loving arms of a teacher of Truth. Furthermore, in a recent interview on Benjamin Shapiro's TH-cam channel, he admitted that his wife figuratively (and I'm sure also LITERALLY) wears the pants in his household. 👖 I would be more than pleased to provide you with links to the TH-cam channels of a few enlightened beings who will quickly set you on the path to perfection, as opposed to the DELUDED moral subjectivism professed by "Doctor" Peterson (pun not intended). Please find below a couple of such ENLIGHTENED masters to which I referred above: Professor Alan Watts (now deceased, so he doesn't have his own TH-cam channel - just search for his videos on numerous extant channels) Swami Sarvapriyananda ( th-cam.com/users/vedantany1894 or search for "Vivekananda Samiti") Jagadguru Svāmī Vegānanda ( www.youtube.com/@TheWorldTeacher )
Thank you for this. The truth has to surface. The courage in Jody Wilson-Raybould and Celina Caesar-Chavannes is beyond measure. This is the integrity we need to finally bring this wonderful country to all that we believe in as Canadians.
Who else here cringes every time Trudeau speaks for “Canadians?” How about, “Canadians” want you the hell out and don’t let the door hit you on the ass
Celina- some of your story almost brought me to tears. I loved this interview and the follow up on Daily Wire. You are so smart and honest. I would be so happy if liberals here in the U.S. would be willing to have dialogs like this with us conservatives instead of the name calling. I find you personally compelling and lovely. May God watch over you, bless you, and grant you peace.
100% agree! I don’t subscribe to Daily Wire but this interview has me enquiring further, I need to watch the entire interview. And I was welling up too.
She sat for 3 1/2 years just collecting a paycheck not doing anything she definitely was not treated correctly, but I cannot fathom how it took her that long to find yourself something to do
I've always been interested in interviews by Dr. Peterson. I really focused on this one. I am even more impressed with how he approaches the conversation. And when he states the clinical description of things from his profession it only confirms his legitimate care and interest for his guests. I can see his true intent to not force an agenda and let a conversation happen naturally. Truly amazing! One of the best insights into Canadian politics in a long time!!
I remember this lady being in the media a few years ago and not really thinking much of her, given what the Liberal party has been doing to Canada since 2015... The fact that she appears on Dr. Petersons podcast alone goes a long way to redeeming her in my eyes. Kudos!
Yes I seem to remember her too, pushing quite hard on the intersectional grift, if I remember correctly. .. something about a Conservative member should keep his white male mouth shut about some sacred cow or other. I am extremely sceptical of her sincerity, but if the good doctor is willing to give her the time, it's probably worth a listen. She must have had one heck of a "road to Damascus" moment to end up here!
Celina, it means so much to have you share your story. Please rest assured that many will deeply respect you for your service in an untenable situation.
I really admire this woman. She has done a huge service to Canadians for doing this interview, and I’m sure it wasn’t easy. She has a lot of integrity, and I know that feeling of hopelessness in a narcissistic relationship she was alluding to… there is indeed so much cognitive dissonance and it’s so eroding to a persons esteem and sanity. I’m really proud of her for speaking to you, Jordan. And this was a very good interview, thank you.
You seem like a very upstanding woman, Celine. Thank you for telling Canadians and THE WORLD what it is we are dealing with here in Canada 🇨🇦. Your problem was that you are capable and have integrity. OUR DEAR LEADER did not recognize that in you, and thought YOU should be GRATEFUL to Him for GIVING you a position!!! Perhaps many women would be grateful and just go along to get along, and enjoy the perks. The look of CONTEMPT He had for you was because you did not recognize HIS BENEVOLENCE toward you. He saw you as someone very UNGRATEFUL for being invited on to His gravy train and REJECTING HIS offer. I suppose He also recognized on some level that HE did not measure up to YOUR INTEGRITY - and again on some level, He felt bad.
Jordan Peterson’s affirmation (starting at 1:23:00) of her response to Trudeau’s apology had to be emotionally healing for her. He brilliantly broke down why she felt the way she did and affirmed her response and emotions to the stressful situation. Self doubt is something we all have to work through in situations of abuse. We can wonder if our response is valid or if we are part of the problem. Peterson has a unique ability to place himself in the circumstances of someone else and relate to them in a way that makes them feel heard.
Nobody knew Justin Trudeau better than his ex wife. If you are married for any length of time you know your spouse.Or ought to know your spouse. Those who voted for this prick. This phoney. This arrogance.. are blind and deaf. When Sophie had enough of this asshole that said volumes to anyone who still was infatuated with the acting. Yet here we are we are today with a sizeable population still in love with Justin Trudeau.That to me is the saddest aspect of Canadian society. Willful ignorance.
Unfortunately too many university graduates have been indoctrinated into believing that Dr P is troublesome, deceitful, dangerous, untrustworthy, so on. I have an American Social Worker friend who cautioned me about Dr P because she had had a psychology instructor who had discouraged the students reading anything written by him. He’s obviously shaken some chains.
Thank you beatiful interview Dr Peterson, Dr Celina Caesar-Chavannes total respect, you are amazing, thank you for being you, well educated, truthfull and outspoken. Stay safe, strong and keep going ❤
Celina, you are way stronger than you give yourself credit for. You stand brave and courageous. Way to go girl, your children have a GREAT MOTHER and a GREAT LADY !!!
Great guest, Ms. Celina Cesar Chavannes is brave and very inspiring. Thank you for this conversation. God bless & hope your holidays are safe and happy. 🌼
Good evening Jordan and Celina Resonates massively. With experiences with both my previous employer, after two decades ended badly and most recently. And unbelievable to me right now with my current brand new employer. Simply your story sounds awfully similar in part, to how my workplace structure of leadership (rather lack there of) has been playing out so far. Left a job I loved, was loved, top of my game so to speak. Because I was truly scared. Currently experiencing similar. Know its not me, more than capable in my given career. Feelings/thoughts currently so raw. One thing I need to say is my family deserve more than hearing their mum's repeat of nightmarish workplace stories on a daily basis of me being scared/spooked when only advocating for patient care, etc etc. Long story so so short. Anyways.... Truly grateful for your courage in sharing. Thank you kindly for this today. 💜
Makes you wonder why Dr. Peterson was determined by his professional association to be in need of re-education, and having that decision upheld by the courts.
I would put it like this: Whoever had a shred of decency in Trudeau's Liberal party ....left in the first term. Tank you Celina for sharing your experience with us.
Anyone who was a threat to Trudeau's facade of virtue has been ruthlessly sidelined and excluded from the spotlight in this government. They had a real life astronaut, an actual rocket scientist, in cabinet, and did the same thing to him as they (they being Butts and Telford) did to this woman. Great leaders make the most of talented people around them. Poor leaders are threatened by talented people, because poor leaders see competence as a threat to their position.
So sorry that Celina Caesar Chavannes and Jody Wilson Raybould had to deal with this kind of behaviour from our prime minister. He is a narcissist. You were being gaslighted. Hard to come to terms with what was really going on. Bravo for speaking up ❤
Integrity as a core value seems to trigger our Dear Leader. I listened to Celina Caesar-Chavannes' beautifully expressed story and it kept resonating with another story in recent memory. Tamara Lich's. Two very different political points of view, but both are women, persecuted personally by this Prime Minister, and moving through it, remaining true to their honor, whether it took them into unemployability or into jail. Canadians are basically wonderful people. If only our PM could see that goodness.
So I don't even care whether this interview constitutes some part of a deserved personal vindetta of Prof Peterson's, which it may well. The revelatory insight into the true character of Justin Trudeau is invaluable beyond all measure! Bravo Prof Peterson! BRAVO!!!
Based on how she presented in this interview, Celina is a brilliant person. If her abilities were effectively capitalised on she would have been brilliant at representing Canadians. Her honesty, pragmatism, analytical nature and sense of justice is very aligned with Jordan so I’m not surprised she was up for being on his podcast.
Unfortunately there is no way she could have shone in a Trudeau cabinet. That orginazion is based on 90% optics, 5% subterfuge, and 5% racketeering. She was hampered from the start. Wish she would run again, for the conservatives this time.
I’m glad this is coming out. I read all these rumours online about Trudeau and how narcissistic he is. How did everyone go on with this for so long? And only now are the liberals revolting because they’re concerned about their pensions? I think their letter may have had more effect had they signed their names regarding his resignation. I would have more respect for individual MPs if it was presented this way, but it they all look like cowards. Get that guy out of office. I won’t vote for liberals again.
Thanks to Dr Peterson, I got to know of the late Rex Murphy, and heard some his thoughts on what's been going on in Canada during the Trudeau years. It's all very concerning and some of the things that seem particularly despicable include the MAID scheme, and the way the peaceful truckers' protests and their supporters were dealt with. I think Celina Caesar-Chavannes did the right thing to walk away from the government. Looking forward to "We Who Wrestle With God" in November. Take care, Dr Peterson.
Awe…Rex Murphy. God love him. Stopped listening to CBC radio when he left. Still miss him, his wisdom and words. Senator Don Plett is my “go to” in my attempts to keep what is left of my sanity.
CCC...you are a great woman. Full of integrity, courage, a champion of truth, innately good and your beauty shines. Total respect for you. God bless you.
😮Sounds like Celina was too smart for Trudeau. She was doing what all MP's should be doing! Taking care of her constituents and her role in the larger umbrella of Canada! A principled person kudos to her!
She just explained what most people leaders must go through when their views don't align with their senior leaders. Especially in large organizations like banks, insurance, and government. And why those folks don't survive in those environments now days. JP was very graceful in the way he managed the conversation, it really demonstrates his experience as a psychologist and being able to navigate conversations in a provocative and yet none judgmental way.
Great interview strong woman her comments are 1:28 are so true. Personal experience with corruption and woke culture in major mining companies put me in same spot and I stood up to it and explained to my daughter as to why I did it .
Thank you, Celina!! I have experienced similar situations. I know exactly how you feel regarding ALL the emotions and doubts from the encounters. Shock, anxiety, disbelief, disgust, betrayal etc Continue to be strong! May you be showered with an abundance of blessings.
Celina is a Canadian of worth, integrity and someone who had an honest, earnest intention of working hard to make Canada a better place. All things Trudeau has failed to achieve. Truth be told, Celina would have been a far better PM than Trudeau!
Canadians need to know this story. This shows who Trudeau really is. Everything is for image, show and ego. What Celina proposed was really noble and the idea deserves to be explored seriously, such a shame.
I cannot tell you how immensely I admire you, Celina Caesar-Chavannes. You are not only brilliant but beyond brave for what you survived and for your ability to re-emerge, clad in the self-knowledge of who you truly are. And to have done so under a pressure I can't imagine. I was so moved and actually felt understood by your conversation. I am an arts teacher who was persecuted at a wickedly woke school and I kept my head down and tried to ignore the insanity alighting around me. I thought if I could work harder and better, be more inventive and dedicated, I could stay to my principles and just teach children. Towards the end of my time (before I was forced to resign), I spoke up and was roundly slapped about with illogical retorts.I was ashamed, also betrayed by the people who said they wanted what was best for children but couldn't see the damage they continued to hash upon them. Then one day my best friend said, 'you haven't done anything wrong.' It was so simple and powerful. I hadn't. You didn't. I am stand and applaud you for telling of your experience. Thank you for calling out the racism of the left. Thank you for understanding the magnificence of you in the face of ignorance and malice. I've spent the last few months telling anyone who showed interest in talking about education in the U.S. now about what is actually happening. So many people think 'oh, no, it's not that bad.' It's actually terrifying worse than people can imagine. And people who do not believe evil exists, cannot begin to believe what lies they are being told and what enduring harm is being foisted onto children in public schools.
Celina, continue your courageous honesty! What a pity she is not here in London, our Government would do well to have a member of our cabinet like Celina - . She is Intelligent, hard working and has excellent administrative skills.
Man, so I grew up in the 60s born in the 60s grew up in the 70s and 80s and inclusive reminds me of Montessori schools if you remember those here in America where children were just left to figure it out and now we’ve evolved you know what 4550 years later and you have full not 4400😂. 45 years later you have full grown adults in their 20s and 30s having meltdown because people don’t agree with them or people don’t call them the right name and they’re having full grown tantrums and meltdown like two-year-olds
It's a hollow term: no one is 100% inclusive, or else they would include the whole world. It's wearing the facade of inclusiveness, because right after saying they're inclusive, they'll make a list of what they want amd we've come to know that they desire to exclude what doesn't make the list.
@traviswest6157 I know it's kind of a joke, but saying you like "inclusivity" is like saying you like "forward". All forms of action are inclusive of some things and exclusive of all other things. The problem is liking inclusivity for its own sake. It just doesn't make sense. Someone saying they're inclusive just means they want their form of exclusion to be seen as a positive maneuver instead of being treated as the exclusion it actually is. It's language manipulation and it's very annoying even if you don't fully understand why. So for OP, it's not as much that he hates the idea of inclusivity itself, but he hates what that word usually masks: intense tribalism and ideological conformity disguised as compassion for minorities.
I am so glad you are going back out on the road once again, dearest Dr. Peterson, I think it will do you good. I hope I am able to come and see you once again. I appreciate your podcasts more than I can express but I miss being face to face with you. There is no substitute for face to face. With Ruth Anne’s love
Really excellent conversation, especially between two people who are generally from different sides of the political spectrum. Trudeau should be held to account for his (lack of) leadership.
Thank you for the honesty, so much of the discussion was very relatable to any government job I have experienced and it is not spoken about authentically like this.
This lady is so brillant! And she learned french that fast!!!! Madame, vous avez tout mon respect! A vous écouter, vous feriez un excellente première ministre. Elle devrait se présenter a la course au leadership du parti libéral au Québec! Thank you Dr Peterson for having this interview.
Everyone in Canada should watch this! She is Brilliant! A strong, Honest person. This interview shows the real Trudeau and his severe degree of narcissism.
Celina, thank you for your forthright courage. I've experienced a microcosm of what you've been through. Ontario animal shelter under new management sidelined all efforts to bring dog welfare up to code. Minimal exercise, handling & exposure = stressed, depressed long-term stays. I enable "consent and evade" no more. Thank you, Celina, for confirming 100% commitment.
Something is very wrong here. Celina said that " other Ministers like the Finance Minister at the time, Bill Morneau had open, repeated access to the Prime Minister. In Morneau's book " Where To From Here " a very common theme is one of total frustration and total lack of access to the PM. Jody Wilson -Raybauld said the same thing in her book " Indian in the Cabinet " Both are good reads.
Ms Caesar-Chavannes said that Bill Morneau and HIS parliamentary secretary had a open access relationship. NOT that Bill Morneau had open and repeated access to the PM.
The podcast medium has literally saved Western society. Long form transparent conversations about current and important issues are poised to become the dominant form of media. Celina, you’re loved and appreciated. You’ll do great things for Canada! Jiu-jitsu and firearms training may be great practical outlets for you. All the best 🙏
Every Canadian needs to hear this conversation
It's interesting that Caesar-Chavannes was surprised to find out she was a "diversity hire" when her previous employment in 2001 was as the new Senior Advisor, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusivity (EDI) Initiatives in the Faculty of Health Sciences at Queens University.
You're a courageous woman, Celina
Not even a human
@@appleratpipe "Not even. A human!" might come across better ;)
She’s just here to sell a book
@@zorkin2013 exactly, not a peep until now, 10 years later.
Celina, you are a very courageous and strong woman. After listening to your story, I have to say that I deeply respect your conviction and ethics. You are to be applauded 😊
Hello 👋 Sharon.
I hope you having enough fun this year
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As an American and seeing the failures of both Canada's and my country's political leaders, I think it is time the people of our 2 great countries stand up and demand accountability.
This was a phenomenal interview.
You have no idea what you have done. Thank you. I felt like I was going in circles and thinking their is something wrong with me and their isnt. Ive cried, sleepless nights, night terrors, you name it.
A black girl born and raised in Canada has gotten harder as I have gotten older.
Thank you for providing this amazing women on your platform to speak her truth.
It's interesting that Caesar-Chavannes was surprised to find out she was a "diversity hire" when her previous employment in 2001 was as the new Senior Advisor, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusivity (EDI) Initiatives in the Faculty of Health Sciences at Queens University.
That the position she has now isn’t it?
A lesser person may have capitalized on their "role" as token minority showpiece. Celina clearly was so much more capable than what Trudeau picked her for. And THIS is precisely the evil side of DEI...that competent people are treated like token identifiers rather than high functioning members of a team - regardless of gender, ethnicity etc!
It's interesting that Caesar-Chavannes was surprised to find out she was a "diversity hire" when her previous employment in 2001 was as the new Senior Advisor, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusivity (EDI) Initiatives in the Faculty of Health Sciences at Queens University where she promoted diversity hiring.
1000% well said. DEI contradicts Martin Luther King's speech - judging people by the colour of their skin rather than by the content of their character. Well, I'm beyond IMPRESSED by Celina's character.
Bless you Dr. Peterson.
I'm not sure why any thinking person would give heed to the imperfect opinions of some ignorant psychology professor. There are a handful of EXTREMELY wise sages currently on this planet who can logically and completely answer practically any question that an intelligent soul is likely to ask regarding morals and ethics.
The fact that Jordan supports men buggering each other (by which I mean, that he supports homosexuality and other criminal activities, such as the unnecessary consumption of poor innocent animals) is MORE than sufficient proof that he is not as religious as he claims, and that any decent, holy person ought to shun his inane teachings and flee into the loving arms of a teacher of Truth.
Furthermore, in a recent interview on Benjamin Shapiro's TH-cam channel, he admitted that his wife figuratively (and I'm sure also LITERALLY) wears the pants in his household. 👖
I would be more than pleased to provide you with links to the TH-cam channels of a few enlightened beings who will quickly set you on the path to perfection, as opposed to the DELUDED moral subjectivism professed by "Doctor" Peterson (pun not intended).
Please find below a couple of such ENLIGHTENED masters to which I referred above:
Professor Alan Watts
(now deceased, so he doesn't have his own TH-cam channel - just search for his videos on numerous extant channels)
Swami Sarvapriyananda
( th-cam.com/users/vedantany1894
or search for "Vivekananda Samiti")
Jagadguru Svāmī Vegānanda
( www.youtube.com/@TheWorldTeacher )
Woah, you got an ex-Liberal MP to come onto your podcast?! Kudos to Celina for coming on.
There's actually plenty of these people.... you can't join a leftist dictatorship without being abused and used. Most of them dont talk publicly...
Jesus, she's so intelligent and accomplished. What a shame that she had to leave government. What a shame that I only know her for supporting DEI.
Yes. She’d be great working with a real leader, perhaps on the conservative front
@@eugenefdscodesWell, at least she learned - the hard way, that DEI isn’t what it appears to be on the political side
@@eugenefdscodes Supporting DEI is a reason in itself to disqualify her from public office.
Thank you for this. The truth has to surface. The courage in Jody Wilson-Raybould and Celina Caesar-Chavannes is beyond
measure. This is the integrity we need to finally bring this wonderful country to all that we believe in as Canadians.
Trudeau keeps saying “we’re focused on Canadians.” The majority of Canadians want him gone.
Focusing the propaganda, not the listening, or the servicing.
He says we want them to govern aka not leave. Which is just fake
Who else here cringes every time Trudeau speaks for “Canadians?”
How about, “Canadians” want you the hell out and don’t let the door hit you on the ass
I can no longer afford this government to be "focusing on" and "delivering for" me any longer.
Yet you won’t vote his party out of power. So you therefore don’t want him gone….
Massive respect to Celina. I can't imagine how many people she had telling her not to do this. This is important and I applaud her.
What a great guest Jordan
Celina- some of your story almost brought me to tears. I loved this interview and the follow up on Daily Wire. You are so smart and honest. I would be so happy if liberals here in the U.S. would be willing to have dialogs like this with us conservatives instead of the name calling. I find you personally compelling and lovely. May God watch over you, bless you, and grant you peace.
100% agree! I don’t subscribe to Daily Wire but this interview has me enquiring further, I need to watch the entire interview. And I was welling up too.
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God bless this brave woman for standing up to bullies and wanting to actually represent the people
Jeeeeez I like this woman. She has integrity, she is a strong individual.
She sat for 3 1/2 years just collecting a paycheck not doing anything she definitely was not treated correctly, but I cannot fathom how it took her that long to find yourself something to do
And all of the people with integrity were eventually weeded out, one way or another.
I've always been interested in interviews by Dr. Peterson. I really focused on this one. I am even more impressed with how he approaches the conversation. And when he states the clinical description of things from his profession it only confirms his legitimate care and interest for his guests. I can see his true intent to not force an agenda and let a conversation happen naturally. Truly amazing! One of the best insights into Canadian politics in a long time!!
Thank you, Celina, for speaking out. I appreciate your courage.
I remember this lady being in the media a few years ago and not really thinking much of her, given what the Liberal party has been doing to Canada since 2015... The fact that she appears on Dr. Petersons podcast alone goes a long way to redeeming her in my eyes. Kudos!
Yes I seem to remember her too, pushing quite hard on the intersectional grift, if I remember correctly. .. something about a Conservative member should keep his white male mouth shut about some sacred cow or other. I am extremely sceptical of her sincerity, but if the good doctor is willing to give her the time, it's probably worth a listen. She must have had one heck of a "road to Damascus" moment to end up here!
It's unfortunate he has assisted in her rehabilitation as she is a unapologetic wokester.
@@jeffspicolli593still people need to know. Even if she is less than stellar
She hardly trusts her husband of 17 years… wow.
@@jeffspicolli593"wokster" ...all these tropes. Why not say the word you REALLY want to say? 🙄
Celina, it means so much to have you share your story. Please rest assured that many will deeply respect you for your service in an untenable situation.
Thank you.
Excellent podcast. She is a Canadian hero that we need to speak out right now. Bravo!
I really admire this woman. She has done a huge service to Canadians for doing this interview, and I’m sure it wasn’t easy. She has a lot of integrity, and I know that feeling of hopelessness in a narcissistic relationship she was alluding to… there is indeed so much cognitive dissonance and it’s so eroding to a persons esteem and sanity. I’m really proud of her for speaking to you, Jordan. And this was a very good interview, thank you.
Thank you!
You seem like a very upstanding woman, Celine. Thank you for telling Canadians and THE WORLD what it is we are dealing with here in Canada 🇨🇦. Your problem was that you are capable and have integrity. OUR DEAR LEADER did not recognize that in you, and thought YOU should be GRATEFUL to Him for GIVING you a position!!! Perhaps many women would be grateful and just go along to get along, and enjoy the perks. The look of CONTEMPT He had for you was because you did not recognize HIS BENEVOLENCE toward you. He saw you as someone very UNGRATEFUL for being invited on to His gravy train and REJECTING HIS offer. I suppose He also recognized on some level that HE did not measure up to YOUR INTEGRITY - and again on some level, He felt bad.
This is why Canadians (for the most part) are sick of this lying government.
It is a globalist regime.... Not a government
I'd love a lying government. That's to be expected. We have a psychotic government.
I could listen to her all day. She is such an engaging speaker.
Thank you❤
Jordan Peterson’s affirmation (starting at 1:23:00) of her response to Trudeau’s apology had to be emotionally healing for her. He brilliantly broke down why she felt the way she did and affirmed her response and emotions to the stressful situation.
Self doubt is something we all have to work through in situations of abuse. We can wonder if our response is valid or if we are part of the problem.
Peterson has a unique ability to place himself in the circumstances of someone else and relate to them in a way that makes them feel heard.
he was a clinician for years
@@steelesmith1379not all clinicians can do that. Still worth mentioning.
Nobody knew Justin Trudeau better than his ex wife. If you are married for any length of time you know your spouse.Or ought to know your spouse. Those who voted for this prick. This phoney. This arrogance.. are blind and deaf. When Sophie had enough of this asshole that said volumes to anyone who still was infatuated with the acting. Yet here we are we are today with a sizeable population still in love with Justin Trudeau.That to me is the saddest aspect of Canadian society. Willful ignorance.
I lost my job to people who the government subsidizes wages for.
sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy that we are going to economic hell and the deepest pits of negligent fiscal debt.
Me too!
Yuri Bezmenov warned people.
Meanwhile sparkle socks refuses to step aside. Pathetic.
Same here and the company later got sued because my replacement didn't do the public safety job right and made the customer upset.
Celina, you are brilliant. Continue to help Canada and the citizens. You have a warm heart as well
It's refreshing to see even Liberals opening their eyes and speaking up for what is best for Canadians not Trudeau!!
I wish all Canadians and Americans would watch Dr. P's interviews. It would really open their minds to what is going on.
i think most of them have. lol
I second this! 👍
I agree, Dr. Phil's the man.
Unfortunately too many university graduates have been indoctrinated into believing that Dr P is troublesome, deceitful, dangerous, untrustworthy, so on. I have an American Social Worker friend who cautioned me about Dr P because she had had a psychology instructor who had discouraged the students reading anything written by him. He’s obviously shaken some chains.
He's way too dangerous! Helping people think critically is a borderline hate crime in Canada.
I come across a lot of people who had lousy grades, “got lost” for a few years, and then really blossomed. Don’t quit.
Thank you beatiful interview Dr Peterson, Dr Celina Caesar-Chavannes total respect, you are amazing, thank you for being you, well educated, truthfull and outspoken. Stay safe, strong and keep going ❤
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Celina, you are way stronger than you give yourself credit for. You stand brave and courageous. Way to go girl, your children have a GREAT MOTHER and a GREAT LADY !!!
Thank you❤
This is one of the most important interviews Jordan has done.
Great guest, Ms. Celina Cesar Chavannes is brave and very inspiring. Thank you for this conversation. God bless & hope your holidays are safe and happy. 🌼
Wow. This woman has character. Integrity.
Well done -- this woman is a TRUE Canadian hero
Lol. Look for my post, you're missing lots.
Another Liberal who had to learn the hard way. Very important that she came forward too
Why a Canadian hero, she just got upset because they didn't gave her more attention
Do you even know what the word "hero" stands for???? Don't dilute the meaning of that very important word.
@@borat9108 Jordan is closer to a Hero than this woman who has wasted our money and probably profited.
Good evening Jordan and Celina
Resonates massively.
With experiences with both my previous employer, after two decades ended badly and most recently.
And unbelievable to me right now with my current brand new employer. Simply your story sounds awfully similar in part, to how my workplace structure of leadership (rather lack there of) has been playing out so far.
Left a job I loved, was loved, top of my game so to speak. Because I was truly scared.
Currently experiencing similar.
Know its not me, more than capable in my given career.
Feelings/thoughts currently so raw.
One thing I need to say is my family deserve more than hearing their mum's repeat of nightmarish workplace stories on a daily basis of me being scared/spooked when only advocating for patient care, etc etc. Long story so so short.
Anyways....
Truly grateful for your courage in sharing.
Thank you kindly for this today.
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The US could use this amazing woman, extremely noble 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Fantastic episode!
Celina was a great guest and Jordan listened attentively to what she had to say.
Makes you wonder why Dr. Peterson was determined by his professional association to be in need of re-education, and having that decision upheld by the courts.
That's a brave woman. Such a pleasure to hear about her journey toward the truth. No matter the cost. We need more like her.
I would put it like this: Whoever had a shred of decency in Trudeau's Liberal party ....left in the first term. Tank you Celina for sharing your experience with us.
Anyone who was a threat to Trudeau's facade of virtue has been ruthlessly sidelined and excluded from the spotlight in this government. They had a real life astronaut, an actual rocket scientist, in cabinet, and did the same thing to him as they (they being Butts and Telford) did to this woman. Great leaders make the most of talented people around them. Poor leaders are threatened by talented people, because poor leaders see competence as a threat to their position.
So sorry that Celina Caesar Chavannes and Jody Wilson Raybould had to deal with this kind of behaviour from our prime minister. He is a narcissist. You were being gaslighted. Hard to come to terms with what was really going on. Bravo for speaking up ❤
Integrity as a core value seems to trigger our Dear Leader. I listened to Celina Caesar-Chavannes' beautifully expressed story and it kept resonating with another story in recent memory. Tamara Lich's. Two very different political points of view, but both are women, persecuted personally by this Prime Minister, and moving through it, remaining true to their honor, whether it took them into unemployability or into jail. Canadians are basically wonderful people. If only our PM could see that goodness.
In all Jordan’s sentences nothing is omitted and nothing is added…pure logic.
Thank you Celina for speaking out and sharing your thoughts. This was exactly what I thought.
So I don't even care whether this interview constitutes some part of a deserved personal vindetta of Prof Peterson's, which it may well. The revelatory insight into the true character of Justin Trudeau is invaluable beyond all measure! Bravo Prof Peterson! BRAVO!!!
Based on how she presented in this interview, Celina is a brilliant person. If her abilities were effectively capitalised on she would have been brilliant at representing Canadians. Her honesty, pragmatism, analytical nature and sense of justice is very aligned with Jordan so I’m not surprised she was up for being on his podcast.
she’s smart. she started to doubt that and her world unraveled.
Unfortunately there is no way she could have shone in a Trudeau cabinet. That orginazion is based on 90% optics, 5% subterfuge, and 5% racketeering. She was hampered from the start. Wish she would run again, for the conservatives this time.
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I’m glad this is coming out. I read all these rumours online about Trudeau and how narcissistic he is. How did everyone go on with this for so long? And only now are the liberals revolting because they’re concerned about their pensions? I think their letter may have had more effect had they signed their names regarding his resignation. I would have more respect for individual MPs if it was presented this way, but it they all look like cowards. Get that guy out of office. I won’t vote for liberals again.
Job security... sounds like Celina has that pesky trait... "Ethics".
This LADY, in my opinion, is truly impressive. Keep your head up and stay true to yourself. As I said truly IMPRESSIVE.
Brave woman ❤
God bless you both!
You're so amazing JP, please don't forget about the rest of us here. We need and appreciate you ❤🇨🇦
This is the truths that need to be told 💯
Yes. Time for the sleeping Canadians to wake up.
Thanks to Dr Peterson, I got to know of the late Rex Murphy, and heard some his thoughts on what's been going on in Canada during the Trudeau years. It's all very concerning and some of the things that seem particularly despicable include the MAID scheme, and the way the peaceful truckers' protests and their supporters were dealt with. I think Celina Caesar-Chavannes did the right thing to walk away from the government. Looking forward to "We Who Wrestle With God" in November. Take care, Dr Peterson.
Awe…Rex Murphy. God love him. Stopped listening to CBC radio when he left. Still miss him, his wisdom and words. Senator Don Plett is my “go to” in my attempts to keep what is left of my sanity.
I was not aware of any of this as an Albertan. Very enlightening.
CCC...you are a great woman. Full of integrity, courage, a champion of truth, innately good and your beauty shines. Total respect for you. God bless you.
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😮Sounds like Celina was too smart for Trudeau. She was doing what all MP's should be doing! Taking care of her constituents and her role in the larger umbrella of Canada! A principled person kudos to her!
Celina is remarkably frank. Brava!
So Justin is legitimately superficial. Check.
Thank you for helping confirm my suspicions and my vote.
Thank you Celina, and Jordan, one of your best podcasts.
What a brave beautiful human being. God bless her❤
Yes, Celina! Great to see you getting your story out to such a wide audience!
She just explained what most people leaders must go through when their views don't align with their senior leaders. Especially in large organizations like banks, insurance, and government. And why those folks don't survive in those environments now days. JP was very graceful in the way he managed the conversation, it really demonstrates his experience as a psychologist and being able to navigate conversations in a provocative and yet none judgmental way.
Trudeau, this is what happens when you accuse someone of being a Russian asset without solid evidence. Payback served.
Great interview strong woman her comments are 1:28 are so true. Personal experience with corruption and woke culture in major mining companies put me in same spot and I stood up to it and explained to my daughter as to why I did it .
"Self-awareness is a heck of a thing." I'd very much like this woman as a friend.
Thank you Celina for speaking out.
Thank you, Celina!! I have experienced similar situations. I know exactly how you feel regarding ALL the emotions and doubts from the encounters. Shock, anxiety, disbelief, disgust, betrayal etc
Continue to be strong!
May you be showered with an abundance of blessings.
Celina is a Canadian of worth, integrity and someone who had an honest, earnest intention of working hard to make Canada a better place. All things Trudeau has failed to achieve. Truth be told, Celina would have been a far better PM than Trudeau!
Canadians need to know this story. This shows who Trudeau really is. Everything is for image, show and ego. What Celina proposed was really noble and the idea deserves to be explored seriously, such a shame.
Well said.
Courageous woman. Thanks for your interview!
You are to be respected and emulated Ms. Ceasar-Chavannes and Dr. Peterson.
"But wait, there's more!" Cracked me up!
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Wow! What a great interview... nothing Mrs. Caesar-Chavannes said surprised me... I feel terrible for her... 😔
I cannot tell you how immensely I admire you, Celina Caesar-Chavannes. You are not only brilliant but beyond brave for what you survived and for your ability to re-emerge, clad in the self-knowledge of who you truly are. And to have done so under a pressure I can't imagine. I was so moved and actually felt understood by your conversation. I am an arts teacher who was persecuted at a wickedly woke school and I kept my head down and tried to ignore the insanity alighting around me. I thought if I could work harder and better, be more inventive and dedicated, I could stay to my principles and just teach children. Towards the end of my time (before I was forced to resign), I spoke up and was roundly slapped about with illogical retorts.I was ashamed, also betrayed by the people who said they wanted what was best for children but couldn't see the damage they continued to hash upon them. Then one day my best friend said, 'you haven't done anything wrong.' It was so simple and powerful. I hadn't. You didn't. I am stand and applaud you for telling of your experience. Thank you for calling out the racism of the left. Thank you for understanding the magnificence of you in the face of ignorance and malice. I've spent the last few months telling anyone who showed interest in talking about education in the U.S. now about what is actually happening. So many people think 'oh, no, it's not that bad.' It's actually terrifying worse than people can imagine. And people who do not believe evil exists, cannot begin to believe what lies they are being told and what enduring harm is being foisted onto children in public schools.
Celina, continue your courageous honesty! What a pity she is not here in London, our Government would do well to have a member of our cabinet like Celina - . She is Intelligent, hard working and has excellent administrative skills.
Thank you both. Coming to this from watching Sam Cooper and MP Kevin Vuong ect on CPAC.
Let’s cherish meritocracy🙏🏻
What a woman. Great personality. Brave.👏👏👏
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I really detest the term "Inclusive". It invokes disgust in me.
Man, so I grew up in the 60s born in the 60s grew up in the 70s and 80s and inclusive reminds me of Montessori schools if you remember those here in America where children were just left to figure it out and now we’ve evolved you know what 4550 years later and you have full not 4400😂. 45 years later you have full grown adults in their 20s and 30s having meltdown because people don’t agree with them or people don’t call them the right name and they’re having full grown tantrums and meltdown like two-year-olds
It's a hollow term: no one is 100% inclusive, or else they would include the whole world. It's wearing the facade of inclusiveness, because right after saying they're inclusive, they'll make a list of what they want amd we've come to know that they desire to exclude what doesn't make the list.
Is detest inclusive to all forms of inclusive?
@traviswest6157 I know it's kind of a joke, but saying you like "inclusivity" is like saying you like "forward". All forms of action are inclusive of some things and exclusive of all other things.
The problem is liking inclusivity for its own sake. It just doesn't make sense. Someone saying they're inclusive just means they want their form of exclusion to be seen as a positive maneuver instead of being treated as the exclusion it actually is. It's language manipulation and it's very annoying even if you don't fully understand why.
So for OP, it's not as much that he hates the idea of inclusivity itself, but he hates what that word usually masks: intense tribalism and ideological conformity disguised as compassion for minorities.
@thomaslacroix6011 you're right. I was joking. I'm just playing with the words, I guess. English is fun like that.
Beautiful being, God bless you Celina. You are brave heart to stand up against this professional lair . Thank you Celina.
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I am so glad you are going back out on the road once again, dearest Dr. Peterson, I think it will do you good. I hope I am able to come and see you once again. I appreciate your podcasts more than I can express but I miss being face to face with you. There is no substitute for face to face.
With Ruth Anne’s love
Such a brave young woman, and it’s such a shame that she was treated so poorly by a so called “compassionate leader”
Really excellent conversation, especially between two people who are generally from different sides of the political spectrum. Trudeau should be held to account for his (lack of) leadership.
Thank you for the honesty, so much of the discussion was very relatable to any government job I have experienced and it is not spoken about authentically like this.
Hello 👋 miracle.
I hope you having enough fun this year.
Thank you Celena for this interview. You are authentic and very capable person. Wishing you many blessings in your life🙏
This lady is amazing
She should have recorded those conversations. Every Canadian needs to hear this.
This lady is so brillant! And she learned french that fast!!!! Madame, vous avez tout mon respect! A vous écouter, vous feriez un excellente première ministre. Elle devrait se présenter a la course au leadership du parti libéral au Québec! Thank you Dr Peterson for having this interview.
Merci!❤
What a wonderful woman. I love her character.
as a minority i too would have felt the same being trotted out as she was
And now "voluntary un-aliving" is being encouraged in Canada due to the supply issues caused by "equity of outcomes."
SAID is an abomination.
These two things are not connected lol
The point to note is that he DID get away with it. Even to this day.
What an impressive lady: we need more people , male and female, like Celina in our Government.
Thank You Very Much! Grate Conversation!🤝
What an articulate lady. She's a true example of what integrity looks like. She put it all on the line. Kudos!
Everyone in Canada should watch this! She is Brilliant! A strong, Honest person. This interview shows the real Trudeau and his severe degree of narcissism.
Celina, thank you for your forthright courage. I've experienced a microcosm of what you've been through. Ontario animal shelter under new management sidelined all efforts to bring dog welfare up to code. Minimal exercise, handling & exposure = stressed, depressed long-term stays. I enable "consent and evade" no more. Thank you, Celina, for confirming 100% commitment.
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Fantastic guest and interview. For the algorithm and for northern friends
Something is very wrong here. Celina said that " other Ministers like the Finance Minister at the time, Bill Morneau had open, repeated access to the Prime Minister. In Morneau's book " Where To From Here " a very common theme is one of total frustration and total lack of access to the PM. Jody Wilson -Raybauld said the same thing in her book " Indian in the Cabinet " Both are good reads.
I think Trudeau is held up in his office, just him and Telford. Like Hitler under Berlin in the spring of 45.
Ms Caesar-Chavannes said that Bill Morneau and HIS parliamentary secretary had a open access relationship. NOT that Bill Morneau had open and repeated access to the PM.
@@joycegifford8826 Just read “ Where to from here “ by Bill Morneau and “ Indian in the Cabinet “ by Jody Wilson-Raubauld . Then you’ll get it.
The podcast medium has literally saved Western society. Long form transparent conversations about current and important issues are poised to become the dominant form of media. Celina, you’re loved and appreciated. You’ll do great things for Canada! Jiu-jitsu and firearms training may be great practical outlets for you. All the best 🙏
run for PM i would vote for you.. you are exactly the concrete intelligence we need