Contrary to the many objections here that the automatic synchronization into English is worthless: Folks, this is a shining marvelof these new AI-tools, i.e. the voices match the German voices, and the translation seems almost perfect.
I'm an interested viewer from California, and have been following Lilium for many years. It's really exciting to see how close the jet is to a finished model, and how incredibly incremental all the testing must be. I'm looking forward to the time we can fly in Lilium between municipal airports from around the Los Angeles area, to San Diego, Las Vegas, and San Francisco. It's quite exciting. What's not so exciting is the automatic dubbed voices in this video. It's an acceptable translation, but still presents in a very robotic tone. We can see smiles, chuckling or laughing, excitement! But we can't hear it. You are better off with original voices and a more accurately translated subtitle. Or post both, a dubbed version and a subtitle version, and let the viewers decide which one is best for them.
At the 9:30 mark, Daniel is stating something like 'we now have the battery technology to, when the vehicle is certified for market entry in two years, achieve 175km operational range with reserve power for safety'. I'm paraphrasing from the automated dubbed transcript. From what I gathered watching the whole video, automated/remote control flight tests continue this year, mostly in Spain and confined to flying around one airfield. Around the end of this year, piloted test flights can begin. Those continue through the international certification processes through 2025. In 2026, Lilium should be ready for market entry.
@@UberSprite Battery technology is not hindering their development, as you could easily fly your test vehicles for simply a shorter time.Their competition has shown how that works.
Step by step towards the goal. I have been following Lilium for over 3 years, and a lot has changed in that time. The next few months will be exciting.
Look ... Yay to all of You ... but ... We don't want to see rich people talking to each other about how great they all are. We want videos of the Jet. It's the only important thing here.
…yes. In asking ourselves if this wet dream is feasible we need to know one thing above all else: what is the weight of the battery pack they have actually designed to fit into the certification prototype they claim to be assembling right now? It is abundantly clear they will not share this number because it is bad, and they cannot explicitly lie about it because ‘investor fraud’.
@@thekomx That’s the previous interview from last year. The german original version of the current interview is located on my channel: th-cam.com/video/AS7efghvnjk/w-d-xo.html
@@Frank_Thelen Taking into consideration that this company has international fans, partners and investors, I don't know why you have an interview in German in the first place.
sorry if this seems silly but its very easy to do a translation with lipsync now with AI happy to help :) I love the lilium i saw it in person in the uk
We are aware of that, but it’s not really feasible yet for a 30 minute interview. It works great with short-form social media content for example though.
💪🏻 electrify the skies, @Lilium !! I posted this to X re your comments on eVTOL safety as the safer all electric aviation becomes, the brighter the future 💫💫💫🔥🔥🔥 Keep up the amazing work!
My concern with Lillium for several years has been the lack of demonstration of adequate lift. Building fancy looking finished luxury mockups before anything can fly only underlines that perception. You seem more concerned with selling an illusion than demonstrating the merits.
Agree. I find it puzzling why they wouldn't publicly promote their lift capabilities with the scaled-down test model. So far, we've seen no public weight lift tests beyond the aircraft itself. Demonstrating these capabilities, if they live up to their claims, could have bolstered public confidence, potentially improving investment and stock prices. Instead, they continue to seek significant funding ( government loans ), almost in desperation. If it's that great an idea, why don't they simply get a commercial bank loan. With all those claimed backorders, they could easily repay the interest. In my view, this lack of transparency raises concerns. It suggests that achieving their technical and commercial goals may take considerably longer than anticipated, if they can be achieved at all. I hope they eventually get there, but at the moment, it's just marketing waffle that doesn't make a great deal of sense. Arguably snake oil sales talk.
I perpetually see comments from people complaining about a lack of video demonstrations of aircraft capability. I think there is a fundamental lack of understanding, if not maturity, behind such comments. Lilium has an extremely thin rope to walk in order to not only bring this aircraft to flight capability, but also commercial viability and public acceptance. For example, they need to prove a safety rating of less than 1 in 1,000,000,000 adverse flight events. If you were trying to bring to market an aircraft held to such standards, I'm sure you would also proceed with extreme care and caution as well. As someone who been a team member on large scale projects, my opinion is that Lilium is doing exactly what they should be doing and are demonstrating competent leadership.
Comes back to money and logic and reasoning. If they demonstrated the actual capability money would be pouring in and their financial woes would end. They have not demonstrated publicly any payload capability, which if it had any, would take minimal time and effort to do. They are caught out.
Don't see any finance or engineering majors in the comments, here! This is most exciting civilian aircraft I've ever seen fly. This particular design is not just beautiful, it dwarfs the competitors, which are little more than overgrown quad - copters. And, the investor pedigree is HUGELY important! No Money = No Play
I just heard from the news that the manned flight test, which was held at the end of the year, has been postponed to early 25 years. Why aren't you keeping your promises with shareholders? It is said that the completion of the msn1 aircraft will be completed by the end of June, but there is still no news. The company is losing trust more and more.'
what do you want them to do? Rush it and have a serious incident? if they are behind schedule postpone and get it right at launch. Do not rush or cut corners
They've done a good job of narrowing their target customers. Hydrogen-electric similar to Joby's experimental hybrid could give them some competition in that regional market.
@@triplec8375Open rotors are not suitable for long-distance flight. If they were efficient, Airbus and Boeing would have open rotors instead of jet engines. The Lilium Jet was designed to be long-distance in the first place. Don't give much importance to an electric helicopter designed for short-distance. It's a shame for Lilium, the true leader.
@@oaowhwjwo I agree that lillium is the technology leader. I've invested in their stock so I hope they make it all the way through to certification. But we seem to have a differing view of what a regional market is. One regional market targeted by Lilium is Florida where they plan to link all the major cities. With Lilium's expected range early on, they couldn't fly nonstop Miami to Tallahassee, but a hybrid like Joby's experimental could. Same goes for Chicago to St. Louis. For these relatively short range regional links, it might turn out to be a question of who gets there first with an established route rather than who is more efficient. It's going to be interesting. I really can't see eVTOLs as urban air taxis making a big difference in most cities. Lilium's focus on longer routes seems to make more sense to me.
better question is when will they do a normal scale test? the videos we saw where all just scaled down and that doesnt say much, we need to see the real thing. i hope lillium will make it but tbh, it just look like a money pit for investors and most investors are emotional because they WANT that we get a cool air taxi. much marketing, few results till now.
Why is speed a concern for a shorter-distance air commute? The main issue isn't how fast the eVTOL flies, but rather how quickly passengers can board the air taxi without long waits, similar to the wait times at airports. For short distances, the speed of the air taxi is less relevant.
This is crunch time. They desperately require ongoing funding and viable options seem to be diminishing. It's said that Fisker was in a similar situation. before it collapsed.
7:27 They dont see themselves competing with other EVTOLs, but instead Hydrogen aircraft. And we are supposed to believe that ??? Ironically I admit there is a hydrogen powered near clone of the Lilium aircraft - "The Sirius Jet ( concept only) apparently will fly up to 1,150 miles (1,851 km) at speeds up to 323 mph (520 km/h) on a clean liquid-hydrogen powertrain". How is LILM competition for that type of aircraft ??? LILM does not boast a range or speed anything close to that. Their statements are full of contradictions everywhere. Sounds like Snake Oil marketing.
Lilium seems to be a very high ranked gamble. A lot of expensive people have been hired to give the feeling that this cant be a scam, but Physics tell a different Story
At 7:27 They dont see themselves competing with other EVTOLs, but instead Hydrogen aircraft. And we are supposed to belive that ??? Ironically I admit there is a hydrogen powered near clone of the Lilium aircraft - "The Sirius Jet will fly up to 1,150 miles (1,851 km) at speeds up to 323 mph (520 km/h) on a clean liquid-hydrogen powertrain". How is LILM competition for that type of aircraft ??? LILM does not boast a range or speed anything close to that. Their statements are full of contradictions everywhere. Snake Oil marketing.
Can the word "jet" include systems without combustion? I absolutely love the Lilium Jet, but the terminology is a bit confusing imo. Isn't more like a ducted fan? Anyway, I can't wait to see these fly on a regular basis!
Most turbo fan "jet" engines actually get most of their thrust from simply blowing ambient air using the frontal engine fans. Only a small amount of thrust comes from the exiting high speed hot combustion gasses. So called "high pass" turbofan engines.
When departing regional airports or taking heavy loads in an emergency, will short take - offs be implemented? This would obviously increase the weight of the landing gear, so maybe a dolly of sorts could be implemented for the ground roll. Even better: A dolly that accelerates the jet to the rotation speed. You could even make one that rolls with the aircraft in a crabbed, or feathered orientation to the wind for maximum efficiency when crosswinds are present (almost always)
Why on Earth does that thing behind them need its wings supported on jacks? If it is that weak how will it ever cope with the rigours of real world VTOL operations? More generally all we have here is the standard high level design rhetoric. When we cut to the chase we hear “the only thing we need is better batteries”. Duh. Then, “you just have to wait for that, they are coming”. Well, this is the guy who just a year ago was “100% confident” the Lilium jet would be in commercial service by next year. A year later they still don’t have a battery? This is the company that claims to be assembling the prototype that will be certified, in other words the virtually finalised design. In fact, according to Lilium in 2015, the batteries were coming to enable commercial service in 2019. Didn’t happen, still hasn’t. Now the claim is 2026, also won’t happen. They are promoting a totally unjustified optimism in battery performance. The language is extremely misleading, quote: “battery capacity is statistically improving 4.5% per year”. Sure. Maybe. Larger batteries, so what? The parameter that counts for electric flight is not capacity per se but energy per kg of battery pack. That is not improving 4.5% per year. Certainly not in any kind of battery suitable for aviation. More like per decade at this stage. Then: “…and if you just extrapolate that”. Well if we just extrapolated ICE efficiency improvements during the ‘80s until now we would have exceeded what is thermodynamically possible already, but it doesn’t work like that. And it doesn’t work like that for batteries either. So much for rhetoric. How about some hard data. The single most important question is: what is the specific energy of the battery pack right now, that must be designed and ready for installation IF the conforming prototype has genuinely been under construction for over 7 months now? What is that simple number? Lilium’s continuing avoidance of this key fact speaks volumes.
Yeah, it's nice...but the impact of lithium mining for your batteries supplied by InoBat and CustomCells is a hard knock to the environment...and it is ultimately NOT sustainable. Every tonne of mined lithium results in 15 tonnes of CO2 emissions in the environment. In addition, it is estimated that about 500,000 litres of water are needed to mine approximately 2.2 million litres per tonne of lithium. This substantially impacts the environment, leading to water scarcity in already arid regions...but, lets' look the other way and not talk about it, right???
All these comments from people "Demanding" to see a flying plane with a pilot just reminds me of Tesla's journey. At least Lillium doesn't have major competitors shorting them. But people! Honestly! Calm down, they've gone through 7 actual flying prototypes, they have now been given licencing approval to design a production model, they have nearly completed the first test build and the second flying test will be ready by end of the year, they are well funded with partnerships with huge experience in the aviation industry and the prices of batteries keeps falling as capacity improves. They are dealing with way less hurdles than Tesla had to deal with. The physical world of aviation needs proper testing, its not a software app.
This interview did not pose any challenging questions - all softball questions, far too uncritical and obvious. For example, no question regarding the very poor share price performance of Lilium in recent years. Why not?
Looking at that wing I feel like if the front part of the inlets would be fixed to the wing, and just the rest of the electric jets would turn for vertical thrust, that could add to the wings' rigidity.
A friendly, the investor, interviewing the company is just advertising and marketing. Need to prove it can fly with load the distances needed. It is pointless creating your own batteries when CATL have considerably better ones. The competitors are proving through flight and leaving Lilium behind...
At 7:27 They dont see themselves competing with other EVTOLs, but instead Hydrogen aircraft. And we are supposed to believe that ??? Ironically I admit there is a hydrogen powered near clone of the Lilium aircraft - "The Sirius Jet will fly up to 1,150 miles (1,851 km) at speeds up to 323 mph (520 km/h) on a clean liquid-hydrogen powertrain". How is LILM competition for that type of aircraft ??? LILM does not boast a range or speed anything close to that. Their statements are full of contradictions everywhere. Sounds like Snake Oil marketing to me.
OMG I can not even survive the first 7 minutes of watching so much BS to anyone who has the slightest idea an practical experience with aviation and propulsion and know a bit about Daniel Wiegands who is not an aviation engineer unless you call anyone who quit his studies after a few semester an engineer. I am not saying that person without a degree is unable to do great work in aviation, but I am allergic to plain lies. They call a ducted fan a jet, so my blow dyer is a jet? If their "jet" is so much more efficient, than their "less good" but actually flying competitors, why can't their way superious conecpt demo a flight over 100 km with only a single person on board, not 5 or 7 as promised? If they could show that I would start to respect them but that never happens and this is just getting more absurd every year. Í hope none of the investors they are targeting has a degree in physics or aeronautics, else this is massively fireing backwards.
Lillium's made a beautiful mockup and they do have an impressive flying scale model-it's cool. The full-size prototype that flies with a pilot on board is nowhere in sight and hype seems to have taken over. I hope they succeed and at least show us they have begun building a full-size aircraft soon.
Plus a payload. They need to add at least a 400 kg weight including the weight of a pilot. If and when it proves it can lift that into the air vertically and fly horizontally for a minimum of 20 minutes, only then will I be investing.
Exactly. They would need those small fans to turn at very high RPM to generate significant thrust, but the low surface area per fan reduces their efficiency. Therefore, they require numerous small fans to compensate for this lower efficiency. While they claim to be more efficient in cruise flight, the most challenging aspect of VTOL is indeed VTOL itself, not cruise flight. It begs the question: why not optimize the aircraft to maximize efficiency in VTOL and the transition to horizontal flight mode, which are the most difficult and power demanding phases of flight? The horizontal flight phase is much easier to manage and far less power demanding per unit distance flown, than the critical VTOL and transition phase of flight.
As @JoeyBlogs007 points out, it's all about what part(s) of the flight you focus design for efficiency. Jet propelled vehicles are most efficient when in high altitude, horizontal flight. They are not as efficient at hovering. Jet plane efficiency is why trans-continental flights are done in jet planes and not propeller planes or helicopters. When hovering, a jet VTOL noise is less intrusive sounding when compared to propeller VTOL and helicopters. Lilium is designing for a decarbonized, regional-midrange, pleasant flight.
In other words LILM is paying a significant price for having so many small fans that are not VTOL optimised like those VTOLS with larger propellors. They claim to be optimised for cruise flight, however that's only the case against other VTOLS perhaps. However no VTOL ( inluding LILM ) is more efficient in horizontal flight than a conventional electric aircraft design. Impossible. Too much drag from the motors. Too many motors. Wing not optimsed for lift. Wing / motor configuration not optimised for horizontal flight. The VTOLs like LILM would be way over powered for horizontal flight and carrying excess motor weight. The only reason they have so many motors is for VTOL capability. If VTOL capability wasn't required, nobody would design an airplane with so many motors in the wing, as they would never approach optimal power load and it would simply be carrying excess motor weight, given the more limited power requirement for horizontal flight.
At 7:27 They dont see themselves competing with other EVTOLs, but instead Hydrogen aircraft. And we are supposed to believe that ??? Ironically I admit there is a hydrogen powered near clone of the Lilium aircraft - "The Sirius Jet will fly up to 1,150 miles (1,851 km) at speeds up to 323 mph (520 km/h) on a clean liquid-hydrogen powertrain". How is LILM competition for that type of aircraft ??? LILM does not boast a range or speed anything close to that. Their statements are full of contradictions everywhere. Snake Oil.
This aircraft isn't going into space. I've never seen more testing on a vehicle than this. What is the current schedule for Lilium to actually begin offering flights to paying customers? I suspect most people posting here are also investors.
Nice discussion and I have been a fan of Lilium for years. However, I find unacceptable that a public company listed on NASDAQ doesn't record the interview on English and uses automatic translation. You want to attract global stakeholders, right?
You would not say that if you had the slightest idea of what a Design Organization Approval from EASA is. You would not say that if you had any idea of what it takes to turn a design startup into a 1000-employee aircraft manufacturing company, if you had even taken a walk inside an Airbus or Boeing factory. These guys come from a long-haul aircraft manufacturing culture and they are going long-haul in this concept. They have planned scalable technology, registered all the patents, and basically done things the right way. This is commercial aviation, carrying people through the sky, no less.
@@enriquenavarro1471 ... maybe first build a full functional demonstrator that proves the concept? And then take care of the certification? Either way, they are gone for good now. Also, when did the piece price per airplane go from 3 to 10m USD?
A lot of untruthful statements such as "open rotors don't work at ... height' or at the quite low speeds involved here - totally wrong, the drag of the ducting disadvantages 'jets' like this at almost any speed above stall only physical constraints justify ducted fans not cruise efficiency for sure. The aircraft is a misconception and a bloated mess for so few seats plus being s deathtrap if running out of power in flight (drop like a brick and no control without thrust) it doesn't get much worse than this .
Agree. It's got falsehoods all over the place. At 7:27 They dont see themselves competing with other EVTOLs, but instead Hydrogen aircraft. And we are supposed to belive that ??? Ironically I admit there is a hydrogen powered near clone of the Lilium aircraft - "The Sirius Jet will fly up to 1,150 miles (1,851 km) at speeds up to 323 mph (520 km/h) on a clean liquid-hydrogen powertrain". How is LILM competition for that type of aircraft ??? LILM does not boast a range or speed anything close to that. Their statements are full of contradictions everywhere. Sounds like Snake Oil marketing to me.
At 7:51 The context is misleading in terms of hydrogen energy conversion, becuse although technically correct, they omit the energy density of hydrogen that ultimately gives it a greater range potential than current battery technology for the otherwise same type aircraft. I'm not pro hydrogen at all, absolutely not, however context is everything.
Where is the bloat? You have an array of fans the size of a vacuum cleaner and a cabin larger than any evtol in the market. Why would you run out of power in flight if the batteries are correctly dimensioned? You do understand how the Flight Safety decision tree works when designing for a maximum probability of single failure leading to a catastrophic event. Redundancies will be built in as required and certified by EASA in the Type Certification.
The thing is oversized for just a handful of seats and requires enormous power (ca. 3000 hp installed ) just to sit in one spot which gets you nowhere (hovering) What they really want is to avoid a take off or landing ground roll - there is a much better way to do that.
@@rossnolan7283 I do not find a 50m ground roll that big of a problem, especially if it is interim (battery capacity seems to be the problem for full vtol performance). The trade-off will get you way better cruise performance and will set the scalable solution for future electric turbofans, longer ranges. No reason why we could not have a 60pax flying bus in the 2030s based on this technology. Look at what Airbus and Boeing have achieved with their original airliners.
Have seen this before. Nothing new. Same old Same old. Sales talk. Little more. 3:47 Classic air taxi industry??? 10 - 20 miles on demand. 5 to 10 min flight time, but market is small ??? Save little time with it ??? Then why bother ??? No market for this any time soon it seems. Ahhh 4:29 They talk about a different business model, but its not really that different. Regional aviation ??? That's a captured market already. This space will be extremely competitive with new electric aircraft coming soon, that will cost considerably less to purchase than its 7 to 10 million dollar price tag and cost considerably less to operate than EVTOL, carry more passengers and fly much further. Apart from the VTOL component, this type of aircraft will likely be disadvantaged in near every other aspect against regular regional electric aircraft. 26:48 They are focusing on the 85% market segment. i.e. mainstream market regional air mobility market. i.e. Regional aviation market, which will be an extremely competitive market. They will have their work cut out given the cost of this specific aircraft and other limiting factors as mentioned.
I like your way of thinking about it. Electric aircraft likely are the way forward but it will be the conventional fixed-wing aircraft which by nature have a much higher efficiency than (e)VTOL especially for longer distances and are 'safer' in regards < their aerodynamic properties (less complex technology and redundancy necessary to ensure safe flight / gliding in case of an unlikely emergency is at least possible). They are aiming for short distance travel
they clearly said that theyre not in the classic air taxi industry since they produce jets and not helicopters like the rest of the competition. did you even listen to what they said?? liliums range is much larger.
@@ICA_Ghost I know their marketing information, yet this leaves the question unanswered, if they are pretty much obviously developing an air taxi - yet they are saying they don't develop an air taxi, what is Lilium actually developing and what is their target market? If they are developing for cargo, they would not be invested so heavily in design and experience, if they are developing for 'long range (ferry) flights' they would be developing a fixed-wing aircraft. To my best knowledge their product looks pretty much like an air taxi, what do you think are they developing instead? ''If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.''
@@TheFlatronify they just dont call it an air taxi because all air taxis are electric helicopters (without much range or speed) basically which only compete with lilium in take off and landing. you can fly through the whole state off florida with a lilium jet so the difference is pretty obvious to me.
@@frijoli9579 It varies immensely depending on the chemical composition of the battery. A radioactive battery re-purposing waste from a nuclear power plant will likely have a tremendously high total carbon footprint to produce. However, a sand battery is just putting regular sand into an insulated silo with some simple plumbing and the total carbon footprint is extremely low.
That's an important question to ask! Let me give you some quick AI generated overview: --- The carbon footprint of an EV battery is influenced by material extraction, manufacturing, transportation, battery size, and recycling. Key factors include: Material Extraction: Mining and processing of lithium, cobalt, nickel, etc., which are energy-intensive. Manufacturing: Production processes are energy-heavy, with carbon footprint varying by regional energy sources. Transportation: Emissions depend on distance and mode of transport. Battery Size: Larger batteries have higher carbon footprints. Lifecycle Emissions: Include production, use, and recycling phases. Estimates: Producing a lithium-ion battery generates 61 to 200 kg CO2 per kWh. A 60 kWh battery could emit 3,660 to 12,000 kg CO2. Lifecycle Comparison: EVs typically have lower lifetime emissions than internal combustion engine vehicles due to higher efficiency and the potential for renewable energy charging. Sources: IVL Swedish Environmental Research Institute European Federation for Transport and Environment International Council on Clean Transportation --- I hope this helps. This is an interesting topic. If you want to know more about this I highly recommend checking out some TH-cam videos about this topic (especially battery recycling) and do your own research!
24:38 "No real competition", yet they admitted they're competing in the 85% market space of regional aviation, as they admitted there's little money to be made from short hops. On top of which they are designing a VTOL aircraft not well suited to regional aviation, because it can only take off and land vertically, thus using more power per unit distance travelled and having less range and passenger carrying capacity and greater cost per seat, per mile than an ESTOL and conventional electric aircraft will have. Yet they say there's no real competition. Who are they trying to kid ??? 🤣🤣🤣
This is crunch time. They desperately require ongoing funding and viable options seem to be diminishing. It's said that Fisker was in a similar situation. before it collapsed.
The extra 2 seats are the Money makers. Not having the extra 2 seats means The people in the competitions crafts will be Paying for the pilots wage Among 4 people instead of 6….. No competition if the competition is over priced without hope.
Iam in from the first day. Sure not profitabel yet. But i see the same vision for the future. I hope it will be a great story to tell my grandchildren 😅
Maybe but likely not, what's the target audience for their product and who will accept obnoxiously loud transportation in their city? The technology is interesting but the product seems to cause more problems than it solves. That's my two cents, I wish them the best!
@@TheFlatronify It's guaranteed to be successful for innumerable reasons. The fact that you don't understand that it's quieter than a typical fossil fueled jet and quieter than a helicopter is the same reason you're not going to benefit from their inevitable market gains.
Frank Thelen bewahrheitet sich wieder als Counter-Indikator. Auf dem Weg zu Cramer-Status.
Lilium - ein Treppenwitz der Geschichte.
Contrary to the many objections here that the automatic synchronization into English is worthless: Folks, this is a shining marvelof these new AI-tools, i.e. the voices match the German voices, and the translation seems almost perfect.
Thank you for the translation! I got more out of this than the original. ❤
I'm an interested viewer from California, and have been following Lilium for many years. It's really exciting to see how close the jet is to a finished model, and how incredibly incremental all the testing must be. I'm looking forward to the time we can fly in Lilium between municipal airports from around the Los Angeles area, to San Diego, Las Vegas, and San Francisco. It's quite exciting.
What's not so exciting is the automatic dubbed voices in this video. It's an acceptable translation, but still presents in a very robotic tone. We can see smiles, chuckling or laughing, excitement! But we can't hear it. You are better off with original voices and a more accurately translated subtitle.
Or post both, a dubbed version and a subtitle version, and let the viewers decide which one is best for them.
@@JoeyBlogs007 In what way do you mean? The clarity, balance, and leveling are all good. What aspect of the audio are you not happy with?
@@UberSprite where do you see how close they are to a finished model?
At the 9:30 mark, Daniel is stating something like 'we now have the battery technology to, when the vehicle is certified for market entry in two years, achieve 175km operational range with reserve power for safety'. I'm paraphrasing from the automated dubbed transcript.
From what I gathered watching the whole video, automated/remote control flight tests continue this year, mostly in Spain and confined to flying around one airfield. Around the end of this year, piloted test flights can begin. Those continue through the international certification processes through 2025.
In 2026, Lilium should be ready for market entry.
@@UberSprite Battery technology is not hindering their development, as you could easily fly your test vehicles for simply a shorter time.Their competition has shown how that works.
Conversely, I’m actually extremely impressed by the dubbed translation with original voices and find it a true technological breakthrough.
Excited to be a shareholder of LILM!
of course, user-yd8wp8rz2b
Very informative interview. I like that Lilium can do more ranges of flight than the other Evtols.
It doesn't even exist yet.
Gtfo of every lilium video spamming comments you bot@@TheBagOfHolding
@user-hs6xs7zl6k does it have range if it doesn't exist?
Course it's real it's behind them on the video
@@jcrisen5417 1st manned flight in 6 months
Happily to contribute with an investment for such a promising company.
Step by step towards the goal. I have been following Lilium for over 3 years, and a lot has changed in that time. The next few months will be exciting.
I believe Lilium. Go Lilium. Good luck.
Interviews are all very nice but we are all waiting for flight demonstrations with a full-sized manned craft.
Sorry about that. I will have a word with Lilium and see if I can get them to hurry things up a bit for you.
@@marviwilson1853 Thanks, mate, appreciate your stepping up like that!
@@youtubemakesmedothis7280 No problem😃
Look ... Yay to all of You ... but ... We don't want to see rich people talking to each other about how great they all are. We want videos of the Jet. It's the only important thing here.
True
They haven’t got the jet mate , it’s all scam
If they were a scam they would all be in prison by now @TravelDocSurg
@@DanielWetherill they will go to prison eventually
…yes. In asking ourselves if this wet dream is feasible we need to know one thing above all else: what is the weight of the battery pack they have actually designed to fit into the certification prototype they claim to be assembling right now? It is abundantly clear they will not share this number because it is bad, and they cannot explicitly lie about it because ‘investor fraud’.
This auto-translations sound sooo creepy. Please always provide an option to return to original language.
The original :
th-cam.com/video/MJ4s3q_ai70/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7jETt3qJ4hIxeXs2
@@thekomx That’s the previous interview from last year. The german original version of the current interview is located on my channel: th-cam.com/video/AS7efghvnjk/w-d-xo.html
@@Frank_Thelen Taking into consideration that this company has international fans, partners and investors, I don't know why you have an interview in German in the first place.
The CEO took the job because he wanted to do something meaningful for his children. It can't be the 1.8 million euro salary.
sorry if this seems silly but its very easy to do a translation with lipsync now with AI happy to help :) I love the lilium i saw it in person in the uk
We are aware of that, but it’s not really feasible yet for a 30 minute interview. It works great with short-form social media content for example though.
Loving Lilium
Go Lilium Go!!! ✌✌
💪🏻 electrify the skies, @Lilium !! I posted this to X re your comments on eVTOL safety as the safer all electric aviation becomes, the brighter the future 💫💫💫🔥🔥🔥 Keep up the amazing work!
Great show - but not delivered or delivered ?….. depends the angle you look at ….
Finally - a lot of money was used….whats the outcome ?🤷🏼♂️
My concern with Lillium for several years has been the lack of demonstration of adequate lift. Building fancy looking finished luxury mockups before anything can fly only underlines that perception. You seem more concerned with selling an illusion than demonstrating the merits.
Agree. I find it puzzling why they wouldn't publicly promote their lift capabilities with the scaled-down test model. So far, we've seen no public weight lift tests beyond the aircraft itself. Demonstrating these capabilities, if they live up to their claims, could have bolstered public confidence, potentially improving investment and stock prices. Instead, they continue to seek significant funding ( government loans ), almost in desperation. If it's that great an idea, why don't they simply get a commercial bank loan. With all those claimed backorders, they could easily repay the interest. In my view, this lack of transparency raises concerns. It suggests that achieving their technical and commercial goals may take considerably longer than anticipated, if they can be achieved at all. I hope they eventually get there, but at the moment, it's just marketing waffle that doesn't make a great deal of sense. Arguably snake oil sales talk.
I perpetually see comments from people complaining about a lack of video demonstrations of aircraft capability. I think there is a fundamental lack of understanding, if not maturity, behind such comments. Lilium has an extremely thin rope to walk in order to not only bring this aircraft to flight capability, but also commercial viability and public acceptance. For example, they need to prove a safety rating of less than 1 in 1,000,000,000 adverse flight events. If you were trying to bring to market an aircraft held to such standards, I'm sure you would also proceed with extreme care and caution as well. As someone who been a team member on large scale projects, my opinion is that Lilium is doing exactly what they should be doing and are demonstrating competent leadership.
Do you even know how much time and care takes for a new product? Clearly not you don't rush things like this
Comes back to money and logic and reasoning. If they demonstrated the actual capability money would be pouring in and their financial woes would end. They have not demonstrated publicly any payload capability, which if it had any, would take minimal time and effort to do. They are caught out.
@@JoeyBlogs007 minimal time what iq do you have these guys have the iq of 130/40 you have the same as a chocolate labrador
Don't see any finance or engineering majors in the comments, here!
This is most exciting civilian aircraft I've ever seen fly. This particular design is not just beautiful, it dwarfs the competitors, which are little more than overgrown quad - copters.
And, the investor pedigree is HUGELY important!
No Money = No Play
It hasn't flown so how did you ever see it?
@@TheBagOfHolding It's had unmanned test flights. 1st piloted one is planned for Q1 next year, I believe...
@nuketro0p3r those were small scale models. The real one isn't made.
@TheBagOfHolding They have determined their production design and are building the first three for type rating
@@LostAnFound it will not be able to lift its own weight at full scale. They will keep postponing until they fold
The Lilium project is at the end.
I just heard from the news that the manned flight test, which was held at the end of the year, has been postponed to early 25 years. Why aren't you keeping your promises with shareholders? It is said that the completion of the msn1 aircraft will be completed by the end of June, but there is still no news. The company is losing trust more and more.'
what do you want them to do? Rush it and have a serious incident? if they are behind schedule postpone and get it right at launch. Do not rush or cut corners
25:46 ". . . we are without competition".
They've done a good job of narrowing their target customers. Hydrogen-electric similar to Joby's experimental hybrid could give them some competition in that regional market.
@@triplec8375Open rotors are not suitable for long-distance flight. If they were efficient, Airbus and Boeing would have open rotors instead of jet engines. The Lilium Jet was designed to be long-distance in the first place. Don't give much importance to an electric helicopter designed for short-distance. It's a shame for Lilium, the true leader.
@@oaowhwjwo I agree that lillium is the technology leader. I've invested in their stock so I hope they make it all the way through to certification. But we seem to have a differing view of what a regional market is. One regional market targeted by Lilium is Florida where they plan to link all the major cities. With Lilium's expected range early on, they couldn't fly nonstop Miami to Tallahassee, but a hybrid like Joby's experimental could. Same goes for Chicago to St. Louis. For these relatively short range regional links, it might turn out to be a question of who gets there first with an established route rather than who is more efficient. It's going to be interesting. I really can't see eVTOLs as urban air taxis making a big difference in most cities. Lilium's focus on longer routes seems to make more sense to me.
XTIA
Go Lilium! when will be the manned test happen ? which month ?
I agree. Alot of talking and no manned test.
@@HurleyDeanSandpointIdaho They actually said the end of this year, but which month.
@@HurleyDeanSandpointIdahoIt's already been methodically tested. A manned flight is just formality at this point so calm down
December
better question is when will they do a normal scale test? the videos we saw where all just scaled down and that doesnt say much, we need to see the real thing.
i hope lillium will make it but tbh, it just look like a money pit for investors and most investors are emotional because they WANT that we get a cool air taxi.
much marketing, few results till now.
Why is speed a concern for a shorter-distance air commute? The main issue isn't how fast the eVTOL flies, but rather how quickly passengers can board the air taxi without long waits, similar to the wait times at airports. For short distances, the speed of the air taxi is less relevant.
Lilium ❤
This is crunch time. They desperately require ongoing funding and viable options seem to be diminishing. It's said that Fisker was in a similar situation. before it collapsed.
7:27 They dont see themselves competing with other EVTOLs, but instead Hydrogen aircraft. And we are supposed to believe that ??? Ironically I admit there is a hydrogen powered near clone of the Lilium aircraft - "The Sirius Jet ( concept only) apparently will fly up to 1,150 miles (1,851 km) at speeds up to 323 mph (520 km/h) on a clean liquid-hydrogen powertrain". How is LILM competition for that type of aircraft ??? LILM does not boast a range or speed anything close to that. Their statements are full of contradictions everywhere. Sounds like Snake Oil marketing.
Lilium seems to be a very high ranked gamble. A lot of expensive people have been hired to give the feeling that this cant be a scam, but Physics tell a different Story
You’re right it’s a scam
A smaller model has already flown a year ago?
Thelen is an investor. This interview is pure marketing.
At 7:27 They dont see themselves competing with other EVTOLs, but instead Hydrogen aircraft. And we are supposed to belive that ??? Ironically I admit there is a hydrogen powered near clone of the Lilium aircraft - "The Sirius Jet will fly up to 1,150 miles (1,851 km) at speeds up to 323 mph (520 km/h) on a clean liquid-hydrogen powertrain". How is LILM competition for that type of aircraft ??? LILM does not boast a range or speed anything close to that. Their statements are full of contradictions everywhere. Snake Oil marketing.
They will not come anywhere the range of hydrogen aircrafts, not now and not in the future. They won't even fulfil their own range estimation
Gibt es das Interview auch auf Deutsch?
Auf Frank Thelen“s TH-cam Kanal.
th-cam.com/video/AS7efghvnjk/w-d-xo.html
Can the word "jet" include systems without combustion?
I absolutely love the Lilium Jet, but the terminology is a bit confusing imo. Isn't more like a ducted fan?
Anyway, I can't wait to see these fly on a regular basis!
Snake Oil marketing.
Most turbo fan "jet" engines actually get most of their thrust from simply blowing ambient air using the frontal engine fans. Only a small amount of thrust comes from the exiting high speed hot combustion gasses. So called "high pass" turbofan engines.
When departing regional airports or taking heavy loads in an emergency, will short take - offs be implemented?
This would obviously increase the weight of the landing gear, so maybe a dolly of sorts could be implemented for the ground roll.
Even better: A dolly that accelerates the jet to the rotation speed. You could even make one that rolls with the aircraft in a crabbed, or feathered orientation to the wind for maximum efficiency when crosswinds are present (almost always)
Has Lilium gone bankrupt,?
私は日本で待ってます！日本の空を飛ぶ法律は厳しいですが待ってます。
同じく日本で期待している者です。完成した時外国で乗れるよう今は淡々と投資しています(笑)
私は韓国で待ってます！！革新的なヨーロッパの空飛ぶクルマに触れてみたいですね、同じアジア圏の人として親密感沸いてレスしてみました(笑)日本のSKYDRIVEとかこの前資金繰りの悪化から破産した空飛ぶバイクにも興味もってます
@@yaegashigts 同じく投資している者です。ドイツ政府から資金を融資してもらえることになったのですが、恐らく今週がちょうど実査が終わる重要な節目ですね。
would have been interesting to see the 1st flight test
They did kind of about a year ago
Just a smaller size
innerdeutsche Flüge mit Lilium abdecken....perfekt. Aber ihr müsst jetzt bald auf den Markt. Das dauert sonst zu lange
Why on Earth does that thing behind them need its wings supported on jacks? If it is that weak how will it ever cope with the rigours of real world VTOL operations?
More generally all we have here is the standard high level design rhetoric. When we cut to the chase we hear “the only thing we need is better batteries”. Duh. Then, “you just have to wait for that, they are coming”. Well, this is the guy who just a year ago was “100% confident” the Lilium jet would be in commercial service by next year. A year later they still don’t have a battery? This is the company that claims to be assembling the prototype that will be certified, in other words the virtually finalised design. In fact, according to Lilium in 2015, the batteries were coming to enable commercial service in 2019. Didn’t happen, still hasn’t. Now the claim is 2026, also won’t happen.
They are promoting a totally unjustified optimism in battery performance. The language is extremely misleading, quote: “battery capacity is statistically improving 4.5% per year”. Sure. Maybe. Larger batteries, so what? The parameter that counts for electric flight is not capacity per se but energy per kg of battery pack. That is not improving 4.5% per year. Certainly not in any kind of battery suitable for aviation. More like per decade at this stage. Then: “…and if you just extrapolate that”. Well if we just extrapolated ICE efficiency improvements during the ‘80s until now we would have exceeded what is thermodynamically possible already, but it doesn’t work like that. And it doesn’t work like that for batteries either.
So much for rhetoric. How about some hard data. The single most important question is: what is the specific energy of the battery pack right now, that must be designed and ready for installation IF the conforming prototype has genuinely been under construction for over 7 months now? What is that simple number? Lilium’s continuing avoidance of this key fact speaks volumes.
Exactly. Those flimsy wings have to sustain around 3 tons of weight during VTOL mode in the real world.
The questions is, MSN2 is ready? Show that it can lift even 2 cm and you can gain confidence with the investors , but maybe is not your objective...
Thelen, der Experte für nichts.
Maybe 300 range someday?
Why plantier dropped lilium? Is it because of massive diluting stock?
Becuase of Snake Oil marketing.
so complenentary
If you want to watch the original video in German with English subtitles, go to; th-cam.com/video/AS7efghvnjk/w-d-xo.html
Yeah, it's nice...but the impact of lithium mining for your batteries supplied by InoBat and CustomCells is a hard knock to the environment...and it is ultimately NOT sustainable. Every tonne of mined lithium results in 15 tonnes of CO2 emissions in the environment. In addition, it is estimated that about 500,000 litres of water are needed to mine approximately 2.2 million litres per tonne of lithium. This substantially impacts the environment, leading to water scarcity in already arid regions...but, lets' look the other way and not talk about it, right???
All these comments from people "Demanding" to see a flying plane with a pilot just reminds me of Tesla's journey. At least Lillium doesn't have major competitors shorting them. But people! Honestly! Calm down, they've gone through 7 actual flying prototypes, they have now been given licencing approval to design a production model, they have nearly completed the first test build and the second flying test will be ready by end of the year, they are well funded with partnerships with huge experience in the aviation industry and the prices of batteries keeps falling as capacity improves.
They are dealing with way less hurdles than Tesla had to deal with. The physical world of aviation needs proper testing, its not a software app.
Seeing a test Tesla driving around ( far more verifiable ) is far easier for the average Joe than seeing an aircraft test flight.
They are brilliant, but NOT JETS!
Please!!!
Just call it what it is: Ducted fans.
I will buy one.
Can we se one extended flight?
Munro just reported a new battery from Sakuu, he is apparently very sold.
This interview did not pose any challenging questions - all softball questions, far too uncritical and obvious.
For example, no question regarding the very poor share price performance of Lilium in recent years. Why not?
Thelen is an investor. This interview is pure marketing.
Those flimsy wings have to sustain around 3 tons of weight during VTOL mode in the real world. They will likely break under such load.
I'm waiting for this tech becomes mature enough, I might buy one in the future.
Looking at that wing I feel like if the front part of the inlets would be fixed to the wing, and just the rest of the electric jets would turn for vertical thrust, that could add to the wings' rigidity.
It looks risky buscuits.
A friendly, the investor, interviewing the company is just advertising and marketing. Need to prove it can fly with load the distances needed.
It is pointless creating your own batteries when CATL have considerably better ones.
The competitors are proving through flight and leaving Lilium behind...
At 7:27 They dont see themselves competing with other EVTOLs, but instead Hydrogen aircraft. And we are supposed to believe that ??? Ironically I admit there is a hydrogen powered near clone of the Lilium aircraft - "The Sirius Jet will fly up to 1,150 miles (1,851 km) at speeds up to 323 mph (520 km/h) on a clean liquid-hydrogen powertrain". How is LILM competition for that type of aircraft ??? LILM does not boast a range or speed anything close to that. Their statements are full of contradictions everywhere. Sounds like Snake Oil marketing to me.
the audio is not in sync with the video
Of course it isnt synced because it's obviously dubbed into English 😂
can u read the disclaimer? or are u blind
Audio dubbing is crap.
@@JoeyBlogs007 u really care about that for a video like this? wtf u have hearing problems or can't understand? u expect it to be a movie or something
Why don't you make a full sized craft and prove it can lift its own battery before bragging about range?
Great excuse to get further funding: waiting on better batteries till 2040 - 2050
LOL
XTIA
German engineering is no joke and those guys have enourmous experience
The translation is amazing and I imagine that the technology retains the voice of the original speaker?
It kind of does. Daniel weinwhatever has videos speaking English on here and it kind of sounds like him.
Sound not synchronised
blablabla-gravitation is hard and physics is mercyless
The management is not know how to run the company….
WE need a big investor for funding.
OMG I can not even survive the first 7 minutes of watching so much BS to anyone who has the slightest idea an practical experience with aviation and propulsion and know a bit about Daniel Wiegands who is not an aviation engineer unless you call anyone who quit his studies after a few semester an engineer. I am not saying that person without a degree is unable to do great work in aviation, but I am allergic to plain lies.
They call a ducted fan a jet, so my blow dyer is a jet?
If their "jet" is so much more efficient, than their "less good" but actually flying competitors, why can't their way superious conecpt demo a flight over 100 km with only a single person on board, not 5 or 7 as promised? If they could show that I would start to respect them but that never happens and this is just getting more absurd every year.
Í hope none of the investors they are targeting has a degree in physics or aeronautics, else this is massively fireing backwards.
Lillium's made a beautiful mockup and they do have an impressive flying scale model-it's cool. The full-size prototype that flies with a pilot on board is nowhere in sight and hype seems to have taken over. I hope they succeed and at least show us they have begun building a full-size aircraft soon.
Show us a flying one with a pilot on board!. If you do that i consider buying stocks in your company. so far too much talk and too little reality.
Plus a payload. They need to add at least a 400 kg weight including the weight of a pilot. If and when it proves it can lift that into the air vertically and fly horizontally for a minimum of 20 minutes, only then will I be investing.
how can something with that many small fans be energy efficient?
Exactly. They would need those small fans to turn at very high RPM to generate significant thrust, but the low surface area per fan reduces their efficiency. Therefore, they require numerous small fans to compensate for this lower efficiency. While they claim to be more efficient in cruise flight, the most challenging aspect of VTOL is indeed VTOL itself, not cruise flight. It begs the question: why not optimize the aircraft to maximize efficiency in VTOL and the transition to horizontal flight mode, which are the most difficult and power demanding phases of flight? The horizontal flight phase is much easier to manage and far less power demanding per unit distance flown, than the critical VTOL and transition phase of flight.
@@JoeyBlogs007 Mr. Wiegand once once claimed he saw the concept in a TV commercial... (of course that was just a comic by DA*PA).
As @JoeyBlogs007 points out, it's all about what part(s) of the flight you focus design for efficiency. Jet propelled vehicles are most efficient when in high altitude, horizontal flight. They are not as efficient at hovering. Jet plane efficiency is why trans-continental flights are done in jet planes and not propeller planes or helicopters.
When hovering, a jet VTOL noise is less intrusive sounding when compared to propeller VTOL and helicopters.
Lilium is designing for a decarbonized, regional-midrange, pleasant flight.
In other words LILM is paying a significant price for having so many small fans that are not VTOL optimised like those VTOLS with larger propellors. They claim to be optimised for cruise flight, however that's only the case against other VTOLS perhaps. However no VTOL ( inluding LILM ) is more efficient in horizontal flight than a conventional electric aircraft design. Impossible. Too much drag from the motors. Too many motors. Wing not optimsed for lift. Wing / motor configuration not optimised for horizontal flight. The VTOLs like LILM would be way over powered for horizontal flight and carrying excess motor weight. The only reason they have so many motors is for VTOL capability. If VTOL capability wasn't required, nobody would design an airplane with so many motors in the wing, as they would never approach optimal power load and it would simply be carrying excess motor weight, given the more limited power requirement for horizontal flight.
At 7:27 They dont see themselves competing with other EVTOLs, but instead Hydrogen aircraft. And we are supposed to believe that ??? Ironically I admit there is a hydrogen powered near clone of the Lilium aircraft - "The Sirius Jet will fly up to 1,150 miles (1,851 km) at speeds up to 323 mph (520 km/h) on a clean liquid-hydrogen powertrain". How is LILM competition for that type of aircraft ??? LILM does not boast a range or speed anything close to that. Their statements are full of contradictions everywhere. Snake Oil.
Less talkie more showie.
wo gibts das interview in originalsprache?
Auf Frank Thelen‘s TH-cam Kanal…
This aircraft isn't going into space. I've never seen more testing on a vehicle than this. What is the current schedule for Lilium to actually begin offering flights to paying customers? I suspect most people posting here are also investors.
They never said they offer flights (as far as I know).
2026 big airlines have billion dollar contracts waiting time and care is needed in massive potential business like this
Nice discussion and I have been a fan of Lilium for years. However, I find unacceptable that a public company listed on NASDAQ doesn't record the interview on English and uses automatic translation. You want to attract global stakeholders, right?
It's snake oil marketing almost at its finest.
Just talk and not action…
You would not say that if you had the slightest idea of what a Design Organization Approval from EASA is. You would not say that if you had any idea of what it takes to turn a design startup into a 1000-employee aircraft manufacturing company, if you had even taken a walk inside an Airbus or Boeing factory. These guys come from a long-haul aircraft manufacturing culture and they are going long-haul in this concept. They have planned scalable technology, registered all the patents, and basically done things the right way. This is commercial aviation, carrying people through the sky, no less.
@@enriquenavarro1471 ... maybe first build a full functional demonstrator that proves the concept? And then take care of the certification? Either way, they are gone for good now.
Also, when did the piece price per airplane go from 3 to 10m USD?
It’s Not A ‘Jet’ !!
A lot of untruthful statements such as "open rotors don't work at ... height' or at the quite low speeds involved here - totally wrong, the drag of the ducting disadvantages 'jets' like this at almost any speed above stall only physical constraints justify ducted fans not cruise efficiency for sure.
The aircraft is a misconception and a bloated mess for so few seats plus being s deathtrap if running out of power in flight (drop like a brick and no control without thrust) it doesn't get much worse than this .
Agree. It's got falsehoods all over the place. At 7:27 They dont see themselves competing with other EVTOLs, but instead Hydrogen aircraft. And we are supposed to belive that ??? Ironically I admit there is a hydrogen powered near clone of the Lilium aircraft - "The Sirius Jet will fly up to 1,150 miles (1,851 km) at speeds up to 323 mph (520 km/h) on a clean liquid-hydrogen powertrain". How is LILM competition for that type of aircraft ??? LILM does not boast a range or speed anything close to that. Their statements are full of contradictions everywhere. Sounds like Snake Oil marketing to me.
At 7:51 The context is misleading in terms of hydrogen energy conversion, becuse although technically correct, they omit the energy density of hydrogen that ultimately gives it a greater range potential than current battery technology for the otherwise same type aircraft. I'm not pro hydrogen at all, absolutely not, however context is everything.
Where is the bloat? You have an array of fans the size of a vacuum cleaner and a cabin larger than any evtol in the market. Why would you run out of power in flight if the batteries are correctly dimensioned? You do understand how the Flight Safety decision tree works when designing for a maximum probability of single failure leading to a catastrophic event. Redundancies will be built in as required and certified by EASA in the Type Certification.
The thing is oversized for just a handful of seats and requires enormous power (ca. 3000 hp installed ) just to sit in one spot which gets you nowhere (hovering)
What they really want is to avoid a take off or landing ground roll - there is a much better way to do that.
@@rossnolan7283 I do not find a 50m ground roll that big of a problem, especially if it is interim (battery capacity seems to be the problem for full vtol performance). The trade-off will get you way better cruise performance and will set the scalable solution for future electric turbofans, longer ranges. No reason why we could not have a 60pax flying bus in the 2030s based on this technology. Look at what Airbus and Boeing have achieved with their original airliners.
Their CEO looks like a confused boomer 👴
Indeed.
interview is interesting but pointless when you constantly dilute shareholders that beleive in your vision.
They apepar to be heading for bankruptcy.
They need money. It's expensive to make 2 toy models and a mockup and to produce videos like this.
Have seen this before. Nothing new. Same old Same old. Sales talk. Little more. 3:47 Classic air taxi industry??? 10 - 20 miles on demand. 5 to 10 min flight time, but market is small ??? Save little time with it ??? Then why bother ??? No market for this any time soon it seems. Ahhh 4:29 They talk about a different business model, but its not really that different. Regional aviation ??? That's a captured market already. This space will be extremely competitive with new electric aircraft coming soon, that will cost considerably less to purchase than its 7 to 10 million dollar price tag and cost considerably less to operate than EVTOL, carry more passengers and fly much further. Apart from the VTOL component, this type of aircraft will likely be disadvantaged in near every other aspect against regular regional electric aircraft. 26:48 They are focusing on the 85% market segment. i.e. mainstream market regional air mobility market. i.e. Regional aviation market, which will be an extremely competitive market. They will have their work cut out given the cost of this specific aircraft and other limiting factors as mentioned.
I like your way of thinking about it. Electric aircraft likely are the way forward but it will be the conventional fixed-wing aircraft which by nature have a much higher efficiency than (e)VTOL especially for longer distances and are 'safer' in regards < their aerodynamic properties (less complex technology and redundancy necessary to ensure safe flight / gliding in case of an unlikely emergency is at least possible).
They are aiming for short distance travel
they clearly said that theyre not in the classic air taxi industry since they produce jets and not helicopters like the rest of the competition. did you even listen to what they said?? liliums range is much larger.
@@ICA_Ghost I know their marketing information, yet this leaves the question unanswered, if they are pretty much obviously developing an air taxi - yet they are saying they don't develop an air taxi, what is Lilium actually developing and what is their target market?
If they are developing for cargo, they would not be invested so heavily in design and experience, if they are developing for 'long range (ferry) flights' they would be developing a fixed-wing aircraft.
To my best knowledge their product looks pretty much like an air taxi, what do you think are they developing instead?
''If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.''
@@TheFlatronify they just dont call it an air taxi because all air taxis are electric helicopters (without much range or speed) basically which only compete with lilium in take off and landing. you can fly through the whole state off florida with a lilium jet so the difference is pretty obvious to me.
@@TheFlatronify also they ARE developing "fixed-wing aircraft" just look at it.
What is the carbon footprint of an EV battery?
Less than a tank of gas of the same size.
@@JoeyBlogs007 data? I don't believe that.
@@frijoli9579 It varies immensely depending on the chemical composition of the battery. A radioactive battery re-purposing waste from a nuclear power plant will likely have a tremendously high total carbon footprint to produce. However, a sand battery is just putting regular sand into an insulated silo with some simple plumbing and the total carbon footprint is extremely low.
@@UberSprite how often do they put nuclear or sand batteries in cars and plane?
That's an important question to ask! Let me give you some quick AI generated overview:
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The carbon footprint of an EV battery is influenced by material extraction, manufacturing, transportation, battery size, and recycling. Key factors include:
Material Extraction: Mining and processing of lithium, cobalt, nickel, etc., which are energy-intensive.
Manufacturing: Production processes are energy-heavy, with carbon footprint varying by regional energy sources.
Transportation: Emissions depend on distance and mode of transport.
Battery Size: Larger batteries have higher carbon footprints.
Lifecycle Emissions: Include production, use, and recycling phases.
Estimates:
Producing a lithium-ion battery generates 61 to 200 kg CO2 per kWh.
A 60 kWh battery could emit 3,660 to 12,000 kg CO2.
Lifecycle Comparison:
EVs typically have lower lifetime emissions than internal combustion engine vehicles due to higher efficiency and the potential for renewable energy charging.
Sources:
IVL Swedish Environmental Research Institute
European Federation for Transport and Environment
International Council on Clean Transportation
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I hope this helps. This is an interesting topic. If you want to know more about this I highly recommend checking out some TH-cam videos about this topic (especially battery recycling) and do your own research!
dull
Indeed it is. Snake Oil.
24:38 "No real competition", yet they admitted they're competing in the 85% market space of regional aviation, as they admitted there's little money to be made from short hops. On top of which they are designing a VTOL aircraft not well suited to regional aviation, because it can only take off and land vertically, thus using more power per unit distance travelled and having less range and passenger carrying capacity and greater cost per seat, per mile than an ESTOL and conventional electric aircraft will have. Yet they say there's no real competition. Who are they trying to kid ??? 🤣🤣🤣
The Saudis appear to be being taken for a ride on this. Metaphorically speaking.
This is crunch time. They desperately require ongoing funding and viable options seem to be diminishing. It's said that Fisker was in a similar situation. before it collapsed.
The extra 2 seats are the
Money makers. Not having the extra 2 seats means
The people in the competitions crafts will be
Paying for the pilots wage
Among 4 people instead of
6….. No competition if the competition is over priced without hope.
Beautiful jet! Accept Jesus :)
no range.
Exactly. And no demonstrated payload capacity.
Lilium is the kind of stock that will make millionaires. Like the IBM stories from the 80s
Iam in from the first day. Sure not profitabel yet. But i see the same vision for the future. I hope it will be a great story to tell my grandchildren 😅
Maybe but likely not, what's the target audience for their product and who will accept obnoxiously loud transportation in their city? The technology is interesting but the product seems to cause more problems than it solves. That's my two cents, I wish them the best!
@@TheFlatronify It's guaranteed to be successful for innumerable reasons. The fact that you don't understand that it's quieter than a typical fossil fueled jet and quieter than a helicopter is the same reason you're not going to benefit from their inevitable market gains.
@@EarthCreature. And losses. 🤣🤣🤣
@@JoeyBlogs007 Keep believing that 🤣🤣