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I applaud Lilium's leadership for their insistence that they get the physics right without compromise. With the design optimized aerodynamically, as battery breakthroughs happen, the specs will only get better! Kudos to the team!
Good at cruising, bad at take off and landing. It is a compromise. So for longer range business, Lilium is better. For short trip, it is not. I invested in LILM however for this reason. Also ACHR is having support from USA DOD.
You mean in another 8 years of development they might be able to take off with a single person on board? Why do you applaud something that doesn't work and gets more absurd every year?
I hope that I am able to see these things come true.I have to talk with my oldest son about these new forms of transportation.80 years ago no one would ever understand these technologies.I will be 81 in september.Batteries, motors,and materials,tecnologies,all add up to what we are seeing before us right now. "THANKS"
If Lilium succeeds, then the Lilium aircraft will be the foundation design, that all competitors will use in the coming years and innovate as much as they can.
@@SimonBauer7 The fan choked ducts will act like massive airbrakes and, oh, without any thrust to vector you have NO control -- better hope you have a REALLY big parachute and lots of height . This is a deathtrap in simple terms.
@@rossnolan7283 But winged horses can fly ... so ... LOL. 99.9 percent of the comments on here are acts of defying physics in place of praising fantasy. But not for the reason you suggest. It will fly just fine ... just not very far. Not far enough for it to be useful other than a toy. Battery density needs to improve by a margin of 4x to get anywhere near their 180 miles fantasy. It's designed for a future that may not come and if it does will be so wrought with expense that it will remain a fantasy ... Like owning your own aircraft carrier.
Well no, as we can do math, which Lilium can't and is utter fraud. You will note their released numbers are now down to worse than that of a helicopter... They would have been better off electrifying a helicopter. Far cheaper.
@@eVTOLinnovation Don't flatter yourself. Elon doesn't give a sh*t about your company. He can make it 100 times better if he wants to right now. He is just waiting for you suckers to waste money in r&d and he will just take it over.
@@eVTOLinnovation Don't flatter yourself. Elon doesn't give a sh*t about your company. He can make it 100 times better if he wants to right now. He is just waiting for you suckers to waste money in r&d and he will just take it over.
All Commercial passenger aircraft have dual-redundant systems for propulsion and vector control. The Lilium appears to have a single-event failure mode in the angular control of each ducted propellor "nacelle set", as well as the rotational velocity of the fans. It does not appear that they can glide to safety in the event of certain failures!!
The Lilium jet is cool indeed, but in the same vein the JetOptera seems to be a much greater achievement in term of personal aerial vehicle, including reduced wingspan, VTOL capability, higher range and lower noise!
I am LILM investor....thank you for putting forth the dynamics of it's flight. Another HUGE issue is power failure. With LILM design the glide feature is a big plus against gravity. יוי
@@jagolago-bob not an engineer....I'm a pilot and you are WRONG. Just check out videos and compare the helicopter like competitors w LILM. Nothing personal....it may not live up to it's projections...but it will GLIDE. יוי
Its based on Lilium research (white paper and blog post). I reckon it’s bias, but I’m happy they put it out there for us to see, very interesting approach nonetheless
Why is the wing in front so much smaller than the one in front. Seems like the front would fall down. What happens when the batteries decide to shut off? Kind of like my power tools shut off
@@eVTOLinnovation The battery can't hold it. Show me a battery pack that can deliver their power needs (which is at least 2X of competitors) and at the same time their energy density requirements.
@@cbazzarella On cruise, the Lilium jet uses 10% of the hover energy. Hover represents only 5% of any trip time. Lilium optimized for the Cruise stage while the rest did it for hover. If the battery is a problem, I don’t think they would be switching to a 7 seater, they could just stay with a 5 or 3 seater.
@@eVTOLinnovation They already stated that they need ~ 2.570 MW to hover (7 seat), that's like saying their car needs a 3500 HP engine to break inertia (in a few seconds) but when it gets going it only needs 350 HP (for the majority of the trip). Show me a battery pack that can do that.
At 0:47 I'm glad that mister elon musk is not a selfish person cuz he admit to himself that their are things that he can't invent and respect the other inventors to invent that he cannot do.. Starting now i have my respect to him.. You are an inspiration to the people😊👍
He mentioned that he doesn't have the time, and doesnt think they're worth the time. Could be quite annoying having these things over our heads in a city buzzing all over the place
A perhaps more efficient version of the category Black Fly represents would be the "Flying Flapjack" form. It had nearly vertical takeoff with high speed.
What stops electric airplanes taking a charge from clouds? The static electricity that makes lightning could be harnessed right in the air at any point in the flight. Recharge literally on the fly. Not even a pitstop. Could this work on boats as well?
Short answer is: NO Long answer is: Definitely NO. Pilots are told specifically to AVOID flying into storm clouds for the very reasons you're proposing.. If they get hit by lightning, they can be damaged, and systems vital can go off-line.. it's not common, but it can and does happen.. It would make more sense to cover the top sides of an airplane with solar arrays to absorb energy than to try pulling it from clouds..
They show operations in the north east; wondering about winter conditions with snow and ice. It looks like the small fan/wind geometries could make it susceptible to icing, and perhaps difficult to protect compared to bigger open props? Will probably be an issue for all eVTOL systems. I guess the good thing is if you know you are getting into trouble, you can land almost anywhere.
Eveyrone making financer trap videos keep telling that 400...500 Wh/kg batteries are here next year. The problem is they've been saying this for some years now. I think 2021 the reality is still below 300 Wh/kg ... which means that to replace 1 kg of kerosine requires closer to 20 kg of battery - simply calculated, without auxilliary reductions and without regen. With them ... 15 kg. It is great tech to come but I find most of these vids too optimistic. The battery development at the moment is betting game.
They have to be overly optimistic to get investors. Tesla still has never made a profit. Please fact check that point before you say it’s not true. It is all one giant, taxpayer funded, Ponzi scheme. The energy density is just not there, and is not likely to be. We’re probably approaching maximum battery performance right now, with a few very small gains left to find.
We should consider a hybrid system with a small and efficient engine running at geared speed and maybe less batteries combined with capacitors. For now, until we finally get those lighter and more powerful batteries, that might be the solution.Lilium by far is nicest of the pack.
@@andrewbaillie6291 a small but powerful I.C. engine running a generator system for on demand power, and small battery bank (for the extra energy needed for take off and landing) is the way to go.. A craft like the Lilium would weigh an enormous amount if powered exclusively by batteries - doesn't matter if the vehicle body is carbon fibre or not, batteries are really heavy, and are really shit at holding power.. But replace 80% (by weight) of those batteries with a small petrol or diesel engine (and fuel tank) to produce equivalent power, and that's a winner.. extra upside is as the flight goes on, the tank gets lighter so that adds range and performance..
i'm a bit new to the topic, but isn't this specifically because we're more or less locked by regulations to certain technologies: such as lithium-ion? I've heard rumors that there's other techs out there, but we just can't use them.
@@kohlrak Yes, but that is the problem. We hear only rumors, talks and promises. They talk about tape hydrogen and of various battery material combinations. But the basic battery power is based on travelling electrons where as the fuels are about releasing energy from chemical bindings and there is a huge difference between these. I have become quite sceptical about the batteries. It may well be that 99% of the tech development is already done. The reality today is about 250-270 Wh/kg and about 350 W/kg without cooling and up to short time 1500 W/kg with very heavy cooling bringing the paower density down again. Best electric motors are about 15 000 W/kg - this means that about 95% of the powerline weight is in the batteries. The new E-motors are wonderful but batteries are crap.
Well first let me thank you for posting this video, I found it to be very informative & instructive, I think that lilium will play a big part in supplying this market & I think the marked is quite large for an E-VTOL jet like this & I wish them luck! Thank you!😎👍🏾👍🏾
With ever growing metropolitan cities ( like the one i'm currently in, Istanbul) the best solution for traffic is taking up to the skies.. Amazing video well detailed, prayers up for your channel's and Lillium's success .
Small energy density and weight of batteries will make economical and practical use of these jets marginal. VTOL is very energy intensive. Normal glider like planes have more of a chance to be useful in a commercial application. These "jets" are neat but they compromise on too many aspects of flights efficiency especially in cruise. Range anxiety will be a huge concern for the operators. Forget using these in an urban environment anytime soon. The regulatory requirements will make this unlikely. The manner in which air traffic would have to be regulated would require new regulations. These could be useful to replace some executive helicopter transport across town. After the COVID pandemic, we have found out that in many cases we do not need to be physically present to get work done.
They are very efficient in cruise, especially the Lilium Jet. EVTOLs are happening and there is definitely a market for them. I think you refer to recharge issues, right? That is not totally known yet.
Deberias de pensarlo de otra forma , sin paradigmas. Con lo que yá hay de avances en AI , ya es posible instalar un sistema autónomo de vuelo , y un sistema integral múltiple de control y comunicacion de vuelo. Incluso , interoperable entre las aeronaves en vuelo para que sus sistemas se conuniquen en forma dinamica . Agrégale a eso la AI Gen y un poco de tiempo más para que la AI Gen adquiera experiencia practica .... Yo diria que en 3 a 5 años ya se podria lanzar sin ningun inconveniente , y posiblemente sea una forma de vuelo más segura que la conducida por humanos .
Would love to see the kitty hawk modified with the ducted fans instead of the open fans they have I wonder if a person could get the company to do that when they make it ?
I like it but wish they could make a smaller more efficient model for personal use that would meet the class specification of a low weight aircraft; so as to avoid the necessity of a pilot's license.
It's the only VTOL aircraft to use 36 ducted fan engines (a design like no other) minimizing redundancy risks. It's also beautiful to look at. Lilium to the moon!
Looks it is the most clever solution on the market - it will beat ALL competitors ! Only best seats type EO are missing (undersigned could supply them...)
Question is how much for 1 Lilium eVTOL compared to other lower tech exposed propeller eVTOLs. If the market can afford an eVTOL worth more than $800k or more for their operations.
The stock market has these shares down to $.38. Engineering geeks will tell you there are some major physics problems with this design. The Joby design is much more feasible and they actually have flying prototypes.
Thank you! Very well-explained video. As Nova Verse expressed in his comment, "If Lilium succeeds, then the Lilium aircraft will be the foundation design..." I agree. And, we can help make that happen by investing in them (LILM).
Yes, thats the point. 1.5 tons of battery weight at lift off max. weight of 550 kg..... this thing can never lift off. Thats why they're not doing it. 250 Wh/kg is now ....they need 700- 1000 Wh/kg . The 340 Wh/kg is a nasty joke. Or scam. 5min flight time and 5 miles range....no cargo, no passengers, as remote controlled test drone. No more will ever happen....
This comment section is riddled with fake comments. You guys have an amazing product, do you really need to post fake comments? And for gosh sakes, if you're gonna do it, at least write it so people can't tell.
There are allready many good competitors in this section, I really wish he could push his booring company to make that a thing that becomes better and mor affordable so we can get hyperloops
"Lilium will be the leader in long range advanced air mobility" I think not. Slick, well produced video. Many technical flaws. eVTOLs are by their nature inefficient. Long range requires efficiency. The video's final statement is an oxymoron.
@@eVTOLinnovation well it would be nice to have airlines that go to smaller cities without having to have a lay over in a bigger hub. That’s where u guys would come in perfect.
Stop the talking and start the shipping! I'm not getting any younger over here. *lol* Seriously, I'd love to see something like this in maybe a smaller, 4-place aircraft. Incredible!
all these videos about flying cars but why cars? am i the only one that watched Agent Cody Banks back in the day? 2 tilting vertical facing giant dyson fans on either side above you and a single person seat in a pod with clear oled screen built in to the windshield to creat AR mapping in real time
He could have founded and can still found any company he wants. This video thinks he missed out? LOL Trust me, he may be out there at times but he is smart enough to get into what is more feasible at this time. Flying cars are still many years in the future even from this point, let alone 10 years ago. He also likes to state things to put a bug in peoples ear. People get excited and encouraged. He is an influencer for sure. I just hope he doesn't go off the deep end like most rich smart groundbreaking magnets. HE already has shown sign of that or he is just playing the part.
It wouldn't be hard for his team even if Elon wasn't the first mover. He's got manufacturing capability, he's got technology and he's go money to back him.
Never happening ever Pure vaporware Just ask yourself When I open my Uber app and select the car and destination I hit send The car comes right to my house. How is this process going to work with a flying car Don't forget there's people who live in hoa's who will be very bothered by tons of helicopters landing in and out of my neighborhood. How is this going to work and how is it going to have mass adoption with zero feasibility?
The rear mounted fans are in groups, so some can be left point down, while some can begin the transition by rotating to forward thrust, the added benefit here is that the fans draw air over the top of the wings at a faster speed, thus increasing lift, (Coanda effect basically) without the requirement of forward momentum to generate it.. pretty tricky, but it's just physics. So, with this lift being generated by drawn air over the wing, the fact that some fans are not pointing (but pushing forward) down is mitigated out, and the vehicle begins to accelerated forwards anyway.. then more groups of fans can be rotated, and away they go.. :) Transitioning back to hover from 250+kph will be a bit more difficult, there's lots of speed and momentum to wash off before the fans can be rotated back to hover.. Yay for drone tech and the tiny and very accurate gyros they use, along with super quick micro processors to do the number crunching.. most aspects of these flights will be automated which is the smart thing to do, but I do see a market for racing these (and other VTOL) craft on the future as this will push and expand the technology in the same way F1 racing has for the road car.
Lilium Jet is far ahead of the competition, although their aircraft will not be the first to hit the scene. Competing Vtol designs like Joby and Archer will be the first out the gate, Joby does have a decent eVtol, but its design was quickly derived with little consideration for scaling up. Its problem is in its design. It uses many rather large rotors to life a rather small payload. It currently supports 4 passengers and 1 pilot. 3 of which are seated comfortably, but the rear two passengers are confined. Unless Archer's Vtol is to support remote piloting, then it only supports 1 passenger and 1 pilot. which doesnt make it viable for commercial shuttle and taxi use as a business. It would find its use as personal ownership and air mobility of the light sports and recreational aircraft category, such as the icon A5. This would also apply to much of the Ehang and Volocopter offerings. Lilium Jet is the leading eVTOL startup/platform its design is completely different than the competition. Eliminating the use of many exposed rotors, providing levels of safety non of the others can match. And its design readly sees to scalablity without much rethinking in terms of engineering. Though they first prototyped from 2 to 4 seater aircraft, they now plan to launch with a 7 seater aircraft. 1 pilot 6 passengers. which from a business aspect makes it perfect for commercial use and revenue gain. Ironically although not of the same category, The lilium Jet see's itself competing in the same grounds as very lite buisness jet class. Of course it niether has the speed nor range of such jets like the new HONDA JET, elite series. Lilium Jet shares the same 6 passenger occupancy as the Honda Jet. 1 additional pilot seat appose to honda jets 2. never the less. regional routes would be of key interest of both. Small regional charter airlines may find themselves mixing their fleet options between those of lilium jet and honda jet and other turbo prop options. And Evtol in ones fleet would see to vast reductions in cost and maintenance.
How did you determine they are far ahead of competition? Because their's looks cooler? A mock-up means nothing. Yes, I am aware of their test flights, but they have not shown any progress in almost two years, AND the test flight they posted has no audio, nor can you determine if the aircraft is even full-sized or just a scaled model. You say unlike the competition, their craft is scalable? They have not shown that either; just animations of scaled-up craft and again their mock-up.
@@LukeFG The seating in the Lillium is largely irrelevant. They can show as many cool looking mockups as they want. Lillium has not flown with a single person. Whoever comes out on top, I think this market is still only going to serve the rich. Anyone who thinks this is going to be for the masses with cheap Uber/Lyft-like jaunts around town is probably mistaken.
@@trekkeruss I agree. I know Joby Aviation has received their certifications first amongst their peers, and they have been operating for over 10 years. They have multiple designs with huge amounts of data collected. Joby is by far the fastest, most efficient, and best positioned for success imo with partnerships with Toyota and Uber
The noise is incredibly low. I heard no noise in any part of the video. Question: This vehicle is only for vegans? Does it fly? Anyone has performed a manned fly?
You offered an great details to the companies claim of thus craft, however, most of the status don't demo of the rivals comparisons, for one , the craft has only been witness to go little over 50mph travel in video demo, also that claim of inner cities, its too bulk of wing span for that, its also called a "jet," but is all electric, perhaps in the future use electric combustion, because right now, it doesn't have even afterburners. So many small engines, even small, is causing heavy weight and doesn't support the vertical lift with lateral balance very well, wobbles often, because no yaw fins are on the engine, nor dies the engine tilt, during verticle.
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I applaud Lilium's leadership for their insistence that they get the physics right without compromise. With the design optimized aerodynamically, as battery breakthroughs happen, the specs will only get better! Kudos to the team!
Bullshit
You definitely don't sound like someone who works for the company.
Good at cruising, bad at take off and landing. It is a compromise. So for longer range business, Lilium is better. For short trip, it is not. I invested in LILM however for this reason. Also ACHR is having support from USA DOD.
You mean in another 8 years of development they might be able to take off with a single person on board? Why do you applaud something that doesn't work and gets more absurd every year?
It's a scam dude.
I hope that I am able to see these things come true.I have to talk with my oldest son about these new forms of transportation.80 years ago no one would ever understand these technologies.I will be 81 in september.Batteries, motors,and materials,tecnologies,all add up to what we are seeing before us right now. "THANKS"
I hope you will live through to experience "free" energy as well. A lot of current technology (chips, laser) was created by reverse engineering...
God bless you
If Lilium succeeds, then the Lilium aircraft will be the foundation design, that all competitors will use in the coming years and innovate as much as they can.
to be honest it really is good not only allowing for vtol capabilitys but also allowing it to glide when motors fail
@@SimonBauer7 ikr, it's really genius
@@SimonBauer7 The fan choked ducts will act like massive airbrakes and, oh, without any thrust to vector you have NO control -- better hope you have a REALLY big parachute and lots of height . This is a deathtrap in simple terms.
@@rossnolan7283 But winged horses can fly ... so ... LOL. 99.9 percent of the comments on here are acts of defying physics in place of praising fantasy. But not for the reason you suggest. It will fly just fine ... just not very far. Not far enough for it to be useful other than a toy. Battery density needs to improve by a margin of 4x to get anywhere near their 180 miles fantasy. It's designed for a future that may not come and if it does will be so wrought with expense that it will remain a fantasy ... Like owning your own aircraft carrier.
Well no, as we can do math, which Lilium can't and is utter fraud. You will note their released numbers are now down to worse than that of a helicopter... They would have been better off electrifying a helicopter. Far cheaper.
Lilium Jet is my favorite airplane innovation. So smart in so many ways.
That 16-seater makes me extremely excited - I can already imagine what the new evtol jumbo jets might look like!
I imagine waking up in my mansion on Mars too...
And traveling hyperloops all over the universe
I couldn’t agree more. Innovation is key, and Lilium has developed something special. Clear industry leader IMO. Great video 👍
Thanks!
@@eVTOLinnovation Don't flatter yourself. Elon doesn't give a sh*t about your company. He can make it 100 times better if he wants to right now. He is just waiting for you suckers to waste money in r&d and he will just take it over.
@@amazingdude9042 No, th-cam.com/video/_9ksdoluNP0/w-d-xo.html
How is it an industry leader when Joby outclasses them in almost every category?
@@amazingdude9042 Blah, blah, blah.
most elegant and sophisticated EVTOL. go Lilium!
Peter Thiel (Paypal Mafia with Elon) is Palantir's Chairman. Palantir just invested heavily in Lilium. 🔥
That’s right!
@@eVTOLinnovation Don't flatter yourself. Elon doesn't give a sh*t about your company. He can make it 100 times better if he wants to right now. He is just waiting for you suckers to waste money in r&d and he will just take it over.
@@amazingdude9042 No, th-cam.com/video/_9ksdoluNP0/w-d-xo.html
Good job! love to hear more on new developments for Lilium. It is revolutionary!
Thanks! Yes, I’ll be making more videos on Lilium. Great company
A boring company...
All Commercial passenger aircraft have dual-redundant systems for propulsion and vector control. The Lilium appears to have a single-event failure mode in the angular control of each ducted propellor "nacelle set", as well as the rotational velocity of the fans. It does not appear that they can glide to safety in the event of certain failures!!
Great video!
The Lilium jet is cool indeed, but in the same vein the JetOptera seems to be a much greater achievement in term of personal aerial vehicle, including reduced wingspan, VTOL capability, higher range and lower noise!
No way
Very enlightening, sourced and detailed comment, bravo.
Lillium, the Nikola of Aeronautics. When promises exceed reality.
LOVE IT...Will sign up for updates
I am LILM investor....thank you for putting forth the dynamics of it's flight. Another HUGE issue is power failure. With LILM design the glide feature is a big plus against gravity.
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You should be an engineer. The Lilium will not glide.
@@jagolago-bob not an engineer....I'm a pilot and you are WRONG. Just check out videos and compare the helicopter like competitors w LILM.
Nothing personal....it may not live up to it's projections...but it will GLIDE.
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@@yowwwwieSo you are a bus driver and not an engineer?
I rest my case.
Literally an infomercial for Lilium, next.
Its based on Lilium research (white paper and blog post). I reckon it’s bias, but I’m happy they put it out there for us to see, very interesting approach nonetheless
I'm following your progress closely, and I think you have beautiful and efficient craft.
Can we just appreciate the quality of this presentation!
Why is the wing in front so much smaller than the one in front. Seems like the front would fall down.
What happens when the batteries decide to shut off? Kind of like my power tools shut off
That is why Lilium is working on 7 seater and other competitors are not even trying now.
True. They wouldn’t have switched the design to 7 seats if the battery 🔋 can’t hold it.
@@eVTOLinnovation The battery can't hold it. Show me a battery pack that can deliver their power needs (which is at least 2X of competitors) and at the same time their energy density requirements.
@@cbazzarella On cruise, the Lilium jet uses 10% of the hover energy. Hover represents only 5% of any trip time.
Lilium optimized for the Cruise stage while the rest did it for hover.
If the battery is a problem, I don’t think they would be switching to a 7 seater, they could just stay with a 5 or 3 seater.
@@eVTOLinnovation They already stated that they need ~ 2.570 MW to hover (7 seat), that's like saying their car needs a 3500 HP engine to break inertia (in a few seconds) but when it gets going it only needs 350 HP (for the majority of the trip). Show me a battery pack that can do that.
@@cbazzarella Ph = 2,570kW. Kilowatt
Lillium visitor transfer service between tech-museums Sinsheim and Speyer ? FUN !
Every other eVTOL looks like the Wright Flyer in comparison to Lilium Jet. Bought stock and HODL.
Lilium is the SpaceX of EVTOL.
At 0:47
I'm glad that mister elon musk is not a selfish person cuz he admit to himself that their are things that he can't invent and respect the other inventors to invent that he cannot do..
Starting now i have my respect to him.. You are an inspiration to the people😊👍
He mentioned that he doesn't have the time, and doesnt think they're worth the time. Could be quite annoying having these things over our heads in a city buzzing all over the place
Have you considered a hybrid power source?
A perhaps more efficient version of the category Black Fly represents would be the "Flying Flapjack" form. It had nearly vertical takeoff with high speed.
Ive got over a 1000 shares. Very exciting company
What is the action range and the top speed of this prototype ?
What stops electric airplanes taking a charge from clouds? The static electricity that makes lightning could be harnessed right in the air at any point in the flight. Recharge literally on the fly. Not even a pitstop. Could this work on boats as well?
I like your thinking. More research is needed.
You would need something like a supercapacitor designed to handle these high voltages from lightnings.
Short answer is: NO
Long answer is: Definitely NO. Pilots are told specifically to AVOID flying into storm clouds for the very reasons you're proposing.. If they get hit by lightning, they can be damaged, and systems vital can go off-line.. it's not common, but it can and does happen..
It would make more sense to cover the top sides of an airplane with solar arrays to absorb energy than to try pulling it from clouds..
Thanks for mention distances and velocity in International System (AKA km/h and km) :D
They show operations in the north east; wondering about winter conditions with snow and ice. It looks like the small fan/wind geometries could make it susceptible to icing, and perhaps difficult to protect compared to bigger open props? Will probably be an issue for all eVTOL systems. I guess the good thing is if you know you are getting into trouble, you can land almost anywhere.
@ scalability, you just re-covered everything discussed prior to that. But it was a great overall review of the capabilities and performance.
Eveyrone making financer trap videos keep telling that 400...500 Wh/kg batteries are here next year. The problem is they've been saying this for some years now.
I think 2021 the reality is still below 300 Wh/kg ... which means that to replace 1 kg of kerosine requires closer to 20 kg of battery - simply calculated, without auxilliary reductions and without regen. With them ... 15 kg.
It is great tech to come but I find most of these vids too optimistic. The battery development at the moment is betting game.
They have to be overly optimistic to get investors. Tesla still has never made a profit. Please fact check that point before you say it’s not true.
It is all one giant, taxpayer funded, Ponzi scheme.
The energy density is just not there, and is not likely to be. We’re probably approaching maximum battery performance right now, with a few very small gains left to find.
We should consider a hybrid system with a small and efficient engine running at geared speed and maybe less batteries combined with capacitors. For now, until we finally get those lighter and more powerful batteries, that might be the solution.Lilium by far is nicest of the pack.
@@andrewbaillie6291 a small but powerful I.C. engine running a generator system for on demand power, and small battery bank (for the extra energy needed for take off and landing) is the way to go..
A craft like the Lilium would weigh an enormous amount if powered exclusively by batteries - doesn't matter if the vehicle body is carbon fibre or not, batteries are really heavy, and are really shit at holding power..
But replace 80% (by weight) of those batteries with a small petrol or diesel engine (and fuel tank) to produce equivalent power, and that's a winner.. extra upside is as the flight goes on, the tank gets lighter so that adds range and performance..
i'm a bit new to the topic, but isn't this specifically because we're more or less locked by regulations to certain technologies: such as lithium-ion? I've heard rumors that there's other techs out there, but we just can't use them.
@@kohlrak Yes, but that is the problem. We hear only rumors, talks and promises. They talk about tape hydrogen and of various battery material combinations. But the basic battery power is based on travelling electrons where as the fuels are about releasing energy from chemical bindings and there is a huge difference between these.
I have become quite sceptical about the batteries. It may well be that 99% of the tech development is already done. The reality today is about 250-270 Wh/kg and about 350 W/kg without cooling and up to short time 1500 W/kg with very heavy cooling bringing the paower density down again. Best electric motors are about 15 000 W/kg - this means that about 95% of the powerline weight is in the batteries. The new E-motors are wonderful but batteries are crap.
Well first let me thank you for posting this video, I found it to be very informative & instructive, I think that lilium will play a big part in supplying this market & I think the marked is quite large for an E-VTOL jet like this & I wish them luck! Thank you!😎👍🏾👍🏾
With ever growing metropolitan cities ( like the one i'm currently in, Istanbul)
the best solution for traffic is taking up to the skies..
Amazing video well detailed, prayers up for your channel's and Lillium's success .
Small energy density and weight of batteries will make economical and practical use of these jets marginal.
VTOL is very energy intensive. Normal glider like planes have more of a chance to be useful in a commercial application. These "jets" are neat but they compromise on too many aspects of flights efficiency especially in cruise.
Range anxiety will be a huge concern for the operators. Forget using these in an urban environment anytime soon. The regulatory requirements will make this unlikely. The manner in which air traffic would have to be regulated would require new regulations.
These could be useful to replace some executive helicopter transport across town. After the COVID pandemic, we have found out that in many cases we do not need to be physically present to get work done.
They are very efficient in cruise, especially the Lilium Jet. EVTOLs are happening and there is definitely a market for them. I think you refer to recharge issues, right? That is not totally known yet.
Deberias de pensarlo de otra forma , sin paradigmas. Con lo que yá hay de avances en AI , ya es posible instalar un sistema autónomo de vuelo , y un sistema integral múltiple de control y comunicacion de vuelo. Incluso , interoperable entre las aeronaves en vuelo para que sus sistemas se conuniquen en forma dinamica .
Agrégale a eso la AI Gen y un poco de tiempo más para que la AI Gen adquiera experiencia practica .... Yo diria que en 3 a 5 años ya se podria lanzar sin ningun inconveniente , y posiblemente sea una forma de vuelo más segura que la conducida por humanos .
I'm adding to my stock position
Fantastic, game charging design.
Would love to see the kitty hawk modified with the ducted fans instead of the open fans they have I wonder if a person could get the company to do that when they make it ?
Elon Musk could just buy Lilium right now for pennies compared to his company's market cap. And he SHOULD. The EVTOL revenue will be in the trillions.
My thoughts are the faster this gets certified and accepted the better. And If I had a million $ in spare cash, I 'd put it all down as deposit today!
What is the battery back size for 280km range jet
They will be using 340Wh/kg batteries
@@eVTOLinnovation how much kwh pack thay are using in jet .like 80kwh pack in Tesla.
Your video presentation is super. All informations are clear.
I like it but wish they could make a smaller more efficient model for personal use that would meet the class specification of a low weight aircraft; so as to avoid the necessity of a pilot's license.
Well the idea of people wanting to fly but not having enough knowledge or skills to even have a license to fly- leaves me 'worried'
It's the only VTOL aircraft to use 36 ducted fan engines (a design like no other) minimizing redundancy risks. It's also beautiful to look at. Lilium to the moon!
Great Well done ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Ideal form !
Looks it is the most clever solution on the market - it will beat ALL competitors ! Only best seats type EO are missing (undersigned could supply them...)
I have 3800 shares of LILM and 4400 joby .
Question is how much for 1 Lilium eVTOL compared to other lower tech exposed propeller eVTOLs. If the market can afford an eVTOL worth more than $800k or more for their operations.
Dispatch with a motor out? Quick Change battery system? Ballistic parachute? Cooling?
Rotate the IMPELLERS at a rate that produces inverse sine waves and they’ll cancel out all but the whooshing noise of the moving air.
But it actually won't be able to vertically take off with high payload without increasing fan speed causing more noises due to high disc loading.
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@@Kricnit
Jet noun.
a rapid stream of liquid or gas forced out of a small opening.
@@Kricnit heavy evtols will come ONLY after this lightweights evtols are normalized..
not the contrary
Those little "jets" will scream compared to the Joby or Kitty Hawk's bigger open rotors.
In theory noise should be less than open propellers. They will drag a lot more power, that’s for sure
In theory, sure. Have you heared an actual ducted fan powered aircraft in person? At least radio controlled model? I have. My ears are still bleeding.
Interesting for sure.
Great!!
another good bet I think they need to have a backup genny when that thing is VTOLing though... just in case.
very nice
The stock market has these shares down to $.38. Engineering geeks will tell you there are some major physics problems with this design. The Joby design is much more feasible and they actually have flying prototypes.
Price went up again
Superb vid.
Thank you!
Is this satire? I'm super confused about the video... actually about the whole channel.
I wonder what the single engine performance is.
Here lilium.com/files/redaktion/refresh_feb2021/investors/Lilium_7-Seater_Paper.pdf
What do you think about the Lilium Jet? 👇
Lilium has to show their 7 seater flying first..
Lilium is better than other evtols. Lilium will dominate the UAM market.
@david cummings Yes, this Market will be huge and Palantir knows it. They literally do that with their software. They have some airlines as customers
@@eVTOLinnovation I think is almost as good as Cargolifter.
I think Musk would be having second thoughts now. This thing has never lifted a 200kg payload. Never Ever.
it will.
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Looks like something id build in KSP.
Thank you! Very well-explained video. As Nova Verse expressed in his comment, "If Lilium succeeds, then the Lilium aircraft will be the foundation design..." I agree. And, we can help make that happen by investing in them (LILM).
Wouldn't the required batteries be way to heavy and bulky?
Lilium will use 340Wh/kg batteries
Yes, thats the point. 1.5 tons of battery weight at lift off max. weight of 550 kg..... this thing can never lift off. Thats why they're not doing it. 250 Wh/kg is now ....they need 700- 1000 Wh/kg . The 340 Wh/kg is a nasty joke. Or scam. 5min flight time and 5 miles range....no cargo, no passengers, as remote controlled test drone. No more will ever happen....
This comment section is riddled with fake comments. You guys have an amazing product, do you really need to post fake comments? And for gosh sakes, if you're gonna do it, at least write it so people can't tell.
Ya only if it goes into scale production and sells ?
To make the Video short here's the Moat: DUCTED Fucking FANS.
Take out 1 seat, add a generator and increase range as a hybrid.
There are allready many good competitors in this section, I really wish he could push his booring company to make that a thing that becomes better and mor affordable so we can get hyperloops
Elon could buy it
"Lilium will be the leader in long range advanced air mobility" I think not. Slick, well produced video. Many technical flaws. eVTOLs are by their nature inefficient. Long range requires efficiency. The video's final statement is an oxymoron.
I appreciate your comment. Lilium entire design is based in cruise flight, but after all, as you point out, vtol capabilities greatly limit the range.
@@eVTOLinnovation well it would be nice to have airlines that go to smaller cities without having to have a lay over in a bigger hub. That’s where u guys would come in perfect.
@@trentgrage5478 I think that’s where 30 or 40 passenger versions of these things will come into play.
that's what they said about tesla, I remember when Tesla stick was 100 dollars and they made fun of cathy woods and look at it now.
These guys have it together.
Simple is greatest.
Fantastic, game changer.
Stop the talking and start the shipping! I'm not getting any younger over here. *lol* Seriously, I'd love to see something like this in maybe a smaller, 4-place aircraft. Incredible!
all these videos about flying cars but why cars? am i the only one that watched Agent Cody Banks back in the day? 2 tilting vertical facing giant dyson fans on either side above you and a single person seat in a pod with clear oled screen built in to the windshield to creat AR mapping in real time
Black Fly-looks like a great product.....what do you think, Mr Musk????
Imagine replacing 4 of the motors with 4 jet engines with a fuel tank. The range can be extended beyond 1000 miles.
186 mph would be impressive for a paper airplane for a jet it's beyond disappoinment.
Excellent presentation. Lilium is obviously so far ahead of the rest of the 3D Transportation industry.
Trough his mission in swiching the world to EV ... he actually did the founding of it but Equity Free ;)
As I am sure others have pointed out, Musk wasn't a Tesla founder.
My new goal
Lilium 👍
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WOW all that CO2. Lots of happy plants with more plant food. More food for us.
So play the audio of your test rig in take off and cruise flight. Then talk about run time.
He could have founded and can still found any company he wants. This video thinks he missed out? LOL Trust me, he may be out there at times but he is smart enough to get into what is more feasible at this time. Flying cars are still many years in the future even from this point, let alone 10 years ago. He also likes to state things to put a bug in peoples ear. People get excited and encouraged. He is an influencer for sure. I just hope he doesn't go off the deep end like most rich smart groundbreaking magnets. HE already has shown sign of that or he is just playing the part.
It wouldn't be hard for his team even if Elon wasn't the first mover. He's got manufacturing capability, he's got technology and he's go money to back him.
Never happening ever
Pure vaporware
Just ask yourself
When I open my Uber app and select the car and destination I hit send
The car comes right to my house.
How is this process going to work with a flying car
Don't forget there's people who live in hoa's who will be very bothered by tons of helicopters landing in and out of my neighborhood.
How is this going to work and how is it going to have mass adoption with zero feasibility?
No idea how they will make a smooth transition from VTO to horizontal travel, in my mind I see the plane diving to gain forward inertia.
The rear mounted fans are in groups, so some can be left point down, while some can begin the transition by rotating to forward thrust, the added benefit here is that the fans draw air over the top of the wings at a faster speed, thus increasing lift, (Coanda effect basically) without the requirement of forward momentum to generate it.. pretty tricky, but it's just physics.
So, with this lift being generated by drawn air over the wing, the fact that some fans are not pointing (but pushing forward) down is mitigated out, and the vehicle begins to accelerated forwards anyway.. then more groups of fans can be rotated, and away they go.. :)
Transitioning back to hover from 250+kph will be a bit more difficult, there's lots of speed and momentum to wash off before the fans can be rotated back to hover..
Yay for drone tech and the tiny and very accurate gyros they use, along with super quick micro processors to do the number crunching.. most aspects of these flights will be automated which is the smart thing to do, but I do see a market for racing these (and other VTOL) craft on the future as this will push and expand the technology in the same way F1 racing has for the road car.
Lilium Jet is far ahead of the competition, although their aircraft will not be the first to hit the scene. Competing Vtol designs like Joby and Archer will be the first out the gate, Joby does have a decent eVtol, but its design was quickly derived with little consideration for scaling up. Its problem is in its design. It uses many rather large rotors to life a rather small payload. It currently supports 4 passengers and 1 pilot. 3 of which are seated comfortably, but the rear two passengers are confined. Unless Archer's Vtol is to support remote piloting, then it only supports 1 passenger and 1 pilot. which doesnt make it viable for commercial shuttle and taxi use as a business. It would find its use as personal ownership and air mobility of the light sports and recreational aircraft category, such as the icon A5. This would also apply to much of the Ehang and Volocopter offerings. Lilium Jet is the leading eVTOL startup/platform its design is completely different than the competition. Eliminating the use of many exposed rotors, providing levels of safety non of the others can match. And its design readly sees to scalablity without much rethinking in terms of engineering. Though they first prototyped from 2 to 4 seater aircraft, they now plan to launch with a 7 seater aircraft. 1 pilot 6 passengers. which from a business aspect makes it perfect for commercial use and revenue gain. Ironically although not of the same category, The lilium Jet see's itself competing in the same grounds as very lite buisness jet class. Of course it niether has the speed nor range of such jets like the new HONDA JET, elite series. Lilium Jet shares the same 6 passenger occupancy as the Honda Jet. 1 additional pilot seat appose to honda jets 2. never the less. regional routes would be of key interest of both. Small regional charter airlines may find themselves mixing their fleet options between those of lilium jet and honda jet and other turbo prop options. And Evtol in ones fleet would see to vast reductions in cost and maintenance.
Well said. I still believe there will be a market for the Joby s4, I'd like to know what JoeBen has in mind to scale things up
How did you determine they are far ahead of competition? Because their's looks cooler? A mock-up means nothing. Yes, I am aware of their test flights, but they have not shown any progress in almost two years, AND the test flight they posted has no audio, nor can you determine if the aircraft is even full-sized or just a scaled model. You say unlike the competition, their craft is scalable? They have not shown that either; just animations of scaled-up craft and again their mock-up.
@@trekkeruss Joby is ahead of Lillium in every major category of their eVTOL, besides the amount of seating. Correct me if I’m wrong
@@LukeFG The seating in the Lillium is largely irrelevant. They can show as many cool looking mockups as they want. Lillium has not flown with a single person.
Whoever comes out on top, I think this market is still only going to serve the rich. Anyone who thinks this is going to be for the masses with cheap Uber/Lyft-like jaunts around town is probably mistaken.
@@trekkeruss I agree. I know Joby Aviation has received their certifications first amongst their peers, and they have been operating for over 10 years. They have multiple designs with huge amounts of data collected. Joby is by far the fastest, most efficient, and best positioned for success imo with partnerships with Toyota and Uber
The noise is incredibly low. I heard no noise in any part of the video. Question: This vehicle is only for vegans? Does it fly? Anyone has performed a manned fly?
Lilium needs rocket boosters to start efficient :D
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Unfortunately, all of this is not achievable and proven to be scam
You offered an great details to the companies claim of thus craft, however, most of the status don't demo of the rivals comparisons, for one , the craft has only been witness to go little over 50mph travel in video demo, also that claim of inner cities, its too bulk of wing span for that, its also called a "jet," but is all electric, perhaps in the future use electric combustion, because right now, it doesn't have even afterburners. So many small engines, even small, is causing heavy weight and doesn't support the vertical lift with lateral balance very well, wobbles often, because no yaw fins are on the engine, nor dies the engine tilt, during verticle.