Joey Ramone (Jeff Starship) w/ Sniper - "Cocksucker" - 1973 - Joey's Pre-Ramones band
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- This incredible footage resurfaced on YT in January 2022, after 49 years. It's Joey's first performance ever. I have slightly enhanced the video and audio as much as possible given the condition of the original footage.
Sniper was a glam punk band that formed in New York City in 1972. They were one of several bands that played at the Mercer Arts Center, Max's Kansas City and the Coventry alongside the New York Dolls and Suicide, and were most famous for its former members, which included frontman Joey Ramone (Jeff Hyman), prior to his forming the Ramones, and guitarist Frank Infante, later of Blondie.
The original lineup consisted of Joey Ramone, guitarists Bob Butani and Danny Wray, bassist Peter (Morgan) Morales, and drummer Patrick Franklyn. Ramone played with Sniper under the name "Jeff Starship". He later recalled, "I used to wear this custom-made black jumpsuit, these like pink, knee-high platform boots- all kinds of rhinestones- lots of dangling belts and gloves". Ramone's brother, Mickey Leigh, later said, "I was shocked when the band came out. Joey was the lead singer and I couldn't believe how good he was. Because he'd been sitting in my house with my acoustic guitar, writing these songs like "I Don't Care", fucking up my guitar, and suddenly he's this guy on stage who you can't take your eyes off of". Ramone continued playing with them until early 1974, when he was replaced by Alan Turner, formerly of 1960s Bronx rock band the Age of Reason.
This song - with a rather meaningful title - is taken from Snipers' only filmed concert, performed at the Underground Tonight Show in NY. Joey's look was still tied to glam rock fashion (same look in the early 1974 Ramones gigs at CBGB). However, there was already Joey's typical sense of humor (while performing "Cocksucker" he apparently wields a sex toy) and the opening riff is the same used later by the Ramones in "I Wanna Be A Good Boy".
In 1975, Sniper changed their name to Kid Blast until 1978, when they changed again the name to Grand Slam. They finally disbanded in 1979.
This is f’n great! I had no idea there was actual surviving footage of “Jeff Starship” in action. The corset, the dildo, the gratuitous and enthusiastic usage of the song’s title… just killer stuff!
So looking at this I have a hard time believing they actually considered sticking Joey behind the drum kit in the Ramones.
He started out as the drummer....
He definitely was the drummer for a brief period, but after all these years I'm just now starting to doubt the punk scene happened as organically as we'd like to believe. I still love the music, I just don't believe the mythos that these people (who all happened to know each other) were just typical, disenfranchised kids making noise in their basements until they got lucky. They definitely had some extra help, kinda like the whole Laurel Canyon scene
@@BigSmoke-bu6ib Oh without a doubt, there was a ton of help involved. A lot of nice connection, a couple people with money, and then building even more connections. The book "Please Kill Me" is a great read - as well as the podcast No Dogs In Space, they did a 3 or 4 part series a couple of years ago about The Ramones and how they really came together.
Nothing is ever as organic as it's made out to sound - but that doesn't mean what really happened is a bad story, in a lot of cases it's just more complicated than can be explained quickly.
@@BigSmoke-bu6ib In recent years I started to believe most musical styles were designed and pre-planned even though they looked like grass routs. There is always some guiding hand behind something.
@@jamesgibson3242 according to one of the members of Blondie, Tommy Ramone was handing out copies of Aleister Crowley books to people who would later be part of the CBGB scene. Not much more information about that, but curious nonetheless
Out of all the Ramones I miss, it’s Joey who’s at the top. 😢
Oh my god I've been waiting for a video of pre-ramones Joe
Jeff Starship ❤
Classic Proto-Punk. Love Joey !
Not even proto in my opinion. The riffs, lyrics, and presentation are all there. Authentically glam punk.
Who the hell cares if it's proto-punk, glam-punk, monkey-punk, it's all punk.
@@stotz4710 I don't know, the tone/sound is severely lacking. Some kind of aggression is definitely missing that the earliest I know of came about in 1974-75 with the short lived Rocket from the Tombs.
@@stedmangg Exactly. Some people are just never happy unless everything’s labeled and put into a safe little box. I’ve never been too big on labels. I just like what I like, and don’t what I don’t. I prefer to just enjoy things rather than bicker over what category they belong in. That’s just me. I’m fucked up like that.
Se habrán querido morir estos muchachos de perder al mejor front man y cantante de La historia , te extraño joey , ramones por siempre
Glad they kicked Joey from this band, Ramones wouldn't exist without him. That voice gosh, he was born to be a Rock 'N' Roll singer.
Is this real? 😲
I have no words ... love it!
Thx so much for sharing!
esto es historico... despues de dos decadas de perder a tremendo acantante sale esto a la luz!
I'm amazed that this even exists , and it sounds great. Thank you so much for posting. The dildo's too funny.
Totalmente increíble..... qué guapo!!!!!!!
GG Allin must have been massively influenced by this.
Interesting, Joey kept some of the same stage mannerisms in The Ramones in 1974 where he would dance around stage.
Amazing. Thank you for sharing!
Jeff Starship !!!
Most requested tune at the chicken shack on 53rd & 3rd.
Search for - Sniper and Joey Ramone (Pre Ramones) - to see the 5 song recording. This is the last song of the set.
Awesome Thanks For Sharing!💥🤟😎🎼🎹
lovely. more please.
Amazing lol
Wow that's pretty f****** awesome
Very clear vocals and thats what we are here for but how on earth do those huge guitar amps sound like nothing?
Audio isn’t from the video
The info you put in the description is absolutely fascinating!!! Where did you learn all of that?
Wikipedia...lol
So weird that he sounds nothing like he did on early Ramones.... this sounds like his vocals circa1984-1996 Ramones.
Might be a little difficult getting a record deal with this song!!
you made my day with this comment.
Rolling Stones had a song Cocksucker Blues and another called Starfucker.
man that guy is really good. like not knowing he'd lead the ramones and become a super punk master legend, youd still think he's a pro.
where did the footage come from?!
And the other guys fired him, that is what is called a great business decision. For Joey.
Evidently this band kicked Joey out of the band because he wasn’t “pretty enough.” I guess we all have to live with our choices.
Sometimes shit happens for a good reason.. 💜
Is he wearing a corset? This is an incredible find by the way😌
...yeah. ...my grandma's.
broooo his brother replied to you!! SO lucky!!
@@OfficialMickeyLeigh it's an honor to talk with you. Can you tell us more about these performances? Some better quality tapes somewhere?
I think its whats called a bodice rather than a corset,a corset stops at the hips,a bodice goes right under the crotch too like what he`s wearing,same as an "all-in-one" swimsuit girls wear.
Alice Cooper used to wear one too about the same time I think.
Hey Ho Lets Go 🤑🇮🇩
my uncle James Nyuestèw (sorry, typed in Nasal,...translates as "used to", recorded everything. i was born in 74, and i REMEMBER seeing this on a loop in the early 80s.
Estaba predestinado a ser conocido como canatante.
Interesting. I know Joey was playing with the Ramones as early as March 1974, so this must have been right before that.
My stab at the lyrics:
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Walkin' in the street
Paradin' your feet
Want a drink, you have to be bored (?)
Your hand's in your pocket
Playing with your socket (?)
(??????????????????)
'Cause you're just a cocksucker
Yeah, you're just a cocksucker
Sucking all the time
Ooh, it feels so fine
Keeps runnin' down your throat (?)
Cocksucker
Standin' (?) on the corner
Dancin' (?) with a boner (?)
Waitin' for your jaws to come undone
He hands you a dollar, then you start to holler
Screamin' for more
'Cause you're just a cocksucker
Yeah, you're just a cocksucker
Sucking all the time
Ooh, it feels so fine
Keeps runnin' down your throat (?)
Cocksucker
(??????????????????)
Your (?) home and you're all alone
(??????????????????)
'Cause you're just a cocksucker
Yeah, you're just a cocksucker
Sucking all the time
Ooh, it feels so fine
Keeps runnin' down your throat (?)
Cocksucker
Please feel free to make changes, suggestions, or post your own interpretations!
I think the one line is "Jizz runnin' down your throat", actually
First verse, last line "You find that it's only a swo-ord" (or maybe cord)? Really not sure what the last word of that line is but I assumed it rhymes with 'bored'. The rest of it I'm pretty confident about.
Second verse, second line sounds more like "Dancin' with *your* boner" rather than *a* boner.
Also, I think "Want a drink, you have to be bored" is actually "Want a drink, you ought to be bored"
Hilarious!!
The 2 guitarists look like Rob Tyner and Marc Bolan.
😍
can anyone listen and write the lyrics of this song, please?
lol I'm already on google AI censor blacklist and you want to be tagged along tooo???? lolllll
Hogya fxszba kerültem ide?
Who wrote that song joey Ramone didn't write that Song?
Omg this is so awesome!!
I can't place it. What's the melody from? It's at the tip of my tongue!
"Now I Wanna Be A Good Boy" (Ramones, Leave Home)
@@Antanix Well the opening riff is for sure... the rest might be original or borrowed from something or re-used from something... I guess we´ll never realy know.
But I've listen ALOT to the Ramones, (Since I was 10yr, Im 41 now...)
And I can only recognize the part from "good boy".
@@jonasmellberg3559 the riff is also kinda similar to Master Race Rock by the Dictators, to my ears anyway.
@@garystanford3921 Now that you mention it, I definitely hear it, but being that this is from ‘73 it’s gotta be a total coincidence. I’m not sure the ‘tators were gigging that early, but maybe one of the guys in Sniper heard a demo? Who knows. Probably just a coincidence.
Well.........JEEZ?????????????? !!!
lyrics anyone?!
ha!
Just tried to make out the lyrics.... coulden't make out all of it and there may be some wrong parts.
But please check it and try to interpret it and fix any flaws.
cooooooooooooock SUGGGGA
I am Ramones fan, but this is jus TERRIBLE.
@edenzelozanimiv3496 THANK YOU!!! All these people saying how great this is has me shaking my head in disbelief. I adore the Ramones, saw them twice live and would continue to if it were possible. THIS however is terrible beyond belief. To each his own as they say, but I could NOT sit through and entire show if this....music? And this is only 1 song. There is another video on youtube and this is the last song from that 5 song recording. Love my Ramones, but can't relate to this.