“So basically when you run out of creativity, you turn to political commentary.” 😂 actually made me laugh while I’m at the office working. You guys are great. 😤
*"Same, she's my favorite Daedric Prince, her Sphere is pretty dope too. Worship her to kill your enemies in their sleep, and give yourself truly great dreams as well... an escape from the reality, the trap that is Mundus"*
She’s my favorite Daedra, I really hope that in ES6 we get to explore her realm in a mind-fuck DLC like how Blood Moon features Hircine, Shivering Isles does Sheogorath and Dragonborn features Hermeos Mora (don’t know how to spell that one)
the first nightmare i can remember was being in a sewer and discovering my parents being whisked away by a whirlpool while the yeti from rudolph stood over them
Oh my god I used to always have nightmares about the Abominable Snow Monster. For years and years and years I was terrified of it. I always dreamt that it or Big Bird or Elmo were eating me.
*"Ah Vaermina, at long last, my favorite Daedric Prince. Quite the Et'Ada if I do say so myself, far better than those "Good Daedra" our Dunmer cousins foolishly worship. Well done, Drew the Daedrologist."*
"You know Altmer, while not discussed, the goal to consume a sphere and conquer a realm is to do the same to all that is retained within. *head peaks around a corner* I would've thought you'd prefer the survival of Aetherius? Of course, I should not expect such knowledge of the grander scale outside of this sphere by one that has not looked in from the outside.
@@YagrumBagarn69 *"Ah, so you've been able to see the Aurbis? You've seen all 3 Realms? Well, regardless, surely you'd help us escape this mortal trap of Mundus, as your kind had also strived to do? Actually, now that I think about it... how DID you manage to escape the disappearance of your race?"*
@@thalmoragent9344 "Yes Altmer, I and my people did wish to be free.." *my own eyes seem to dim as my thoughts race to reach so far back* "As studies of the heart began, studies of the great truth were coming to fruition. Through protected study of what most call the black books brought via calculated invasions to that blackened library along with careful experimentation...we had learned how to...well leave. What we discovered the great truths.." *as my eyes look back into yours my expression sombers* "There are no words in any of your people's language or any others save my own for what we learned. The knowledge we gained even before that life cycle; the nature of that soul of yours, the true nature and intended plan of creation, what had gone wrong, the truth of the towers, the eye of the constructor, we had control of 3 towers by the time I was born again to see the Atmorans." *looks and nods at you in confirmation* "Yes I am aware of every life I've lived, each in a long succession. The truth of eternal memory and the knowledge that came with it was learned two lifetimes before the fall of the Falmer." *I smile knowingly as well as raising a hand in a direction* "I was the one that defeated that relic's great grandfather when he laid claim to high tower, waged all out warfare and when I showed him that we would not bend he desperately tried to use the tower in a similar fashion the imperials did with white gold tower. *I lock blazing bronze eyes with you* "Do not believe a history only told through the eyes of a waking dreamer, this is what we regarded every other races knowledge, simply because it is not accurately historic. No one even remembered the kalpas that came before, the previous dragon breaks, several of which we caused ourselves in order to save, to recover or undo and once to find out a truth. So believe me when I say that they would've done much worse than seal it away like the Atmoran did." *my stoney expression softens slightly* "Even as a child I could sense what that Falmer wanted with the eye, I could see the same insane desire to siege control if a godly tool for mortal means, I could see the dead Atmoran children again and I remember that their report boldly stated that he himself had led at the front of the entire fight. Would you give such power over to a race that already proved destructive towards their own kin thrice already before? Right after they just brazenly crush the heads of babies?! *I sit down and slouch my shoulders* "It is truly difficult to explain to one so singular in existence and experience." *my massive hand reaches out to you offering an open palm, unknown sigils and runes all tangle together into a warping vortex of energies* "I can show you but a glimpse of the truth Altmer, just a glimpse to be safe" *my other hand waves over my colossal form to show horrendous yet reinforced scars from grevious wounds despite my earlier display showing mortal weaponry does nothing to my flesh* "There are things out there that put everything I've seen within besides the beings you naively worship, somethings even worse." *ebony enlaced animorphs bring a chair over for you and back away as you see ebony clad ballista take aim at us as ebony spiders bring over glowing potions of full recovery and take up defensive positions as massive ebony centurions weilding giant tower shields circle us and lock shields, you notice amongst all the red pulsing of the blood of lorkahn you see the glistening pure glow of aetherium laced in and out on them and on my own gear, I catch your wandering eyes and nod behind you* "Aetherium was a material that allowed us to weave stability over power into even that which tonal configuration could not alone withstand." *a shadow falls over us and as you finally look behind and up you see a titanic demi-numidie stand over us, two extending cannon shaped attachments glow with red and white energy as it's eyes gaze down at me and holds up it gigantic hands, a brighter glowing light returns your eyes back at me to see first hand tonal manipulation as the warping energy in my wraith guard gloved hand has grown three fold and you understand the dangers of just what I'm offering as my now blazing star like eyes turn to yours* "A few still even worse."
I remember there being an actual difference between bad dreams and nightmares. That bad dreams you can sleep through but nightmares will wake you. Of course I have also heard the definition of a nightmare simply being a dream which causes fright of some kind, whether you wake up or not.
I don't know about that only because there's a thing called night terrors which involves not waking up from nightmares. I don't know where you heard this from but it really just seems like semantics at the end of the day. People use the terms bad dreams and nightmares interchangeably all the time so I just wonder where you even learned this from.
@@donovanfaust3227 Ok, the bot seems to shadowban me for some reason. "This definition helps distinguish nightmares from bad dreams: while both involve disturbing dream content, only a nightmare causes you to wake up from sleep. Nightmares are vivid dreams that may be threatening, upsetting, bizarre, or otherwise bothersome." - Sleepfoundation When I heard this I don't know. Years ago from something else. Might have been a video here on TH-cam.
During the Nightcaller Temple quest in Skyrim, the priest (I forgot his name) tells you that Vaermina also deals with memories. That she collects them and replaces them with nightmares.
I completely forgot about that but I guess through that lens, she's not too dissimilar from Hermaeus Mora (a collector of knowledge) and Mephala (a collector of secrets). It seems like these three all collect elements that are essential to the mortal psyche
Ahh, the best part of my weekend! Thank you, Fudgemuppet. ❤️💜💙 I would really like a podcast exploring the Khajiiti pantheon. I *still* have "Er dra Namira, er dra Namira, er dra Azura!" stuck in my head from several weeks ago...
Unfortunate that Vaermina's connection to the cure for vampirism wasn't mentioned. It's an interesting and often overlooked detail that may add some depth to her character in the future.
One of the earliest memories I have is from a dream where my mom had her arms ripped from her sockets by a VCR. I was like 3-4 and I remember having that dream repeatedly (or at least returning to that setting) and feeling like I had to be a hero and stop the evil VCR that would spit out strings of tape and rip arms off.
I think it would be really interesting if an antagonist achieves a near chim like state through worship of vermina. As they have studied and worshiped vermina for centuries, they begin to understand the world for what it actually is, a dream, and they slowly can start to manipulate the world around them. Mass panic arises, a new Dagoth Ur, the head of a new tribunal, maybe a mad Khajit with the desire to disrupt the lunar lattice.
I’ll always remember my first nightmare. I was on a playground and every exit was blocked by a wild animal I had seen on “Go Diego Go.” Then the dream changed to being chased around my kitchen by an alligator. It was quite an experience.
My childhood nightmare still finds a way to follow me to adulthood. This little nightmare cat kept leaping towards me & whenever I see a black cat, I am reminded that the cat in my nightmares is still prowling in my mind ready to hunt me down again & again. Unfortunately as the years went by the cat evolved becoming more humanoid & more menacing whenever I see it.
12:16 reminds me of a dream I had where monsters kept running towards me and after they reached me a bunch of times I eventually got sick of getting caught and punched one in the face and woke up.
Funniest nightmare I've had was waiting in line all day to pick up Elder Scrolls 6 on release day only to get home and find out that the game is Skyrim 2
I have an idea for your podcast: You've ranked the "best" of the different races, like Nords or the mightiest Imperial, now do it by class. Who was the mightiest mage? Shalidor? Sotha Sil? Divayth Fyr? Who was the mightiest warrior? Or stealthiest? Lots of room for power rankings and versus battles.
My worst nightmare was when I (in the dream) was investigating a haunted mine, I was trapped in a transitional mine-shaft between two ore-elevators, the one that took me down had already ascended back. Then I hear that the other one from the deep starts to ascend to my position, and somehow I knew that it was full of crazed cave-dwelling troglodytes that would rape and torture me, and there was nothing I could do. Luckily in my panic I willed myself to awake, which I did. Woke up with my heart pounding like crazy, scared as hell.
Im a fan of Wayrests questline in ESO, like I actually felt paranoia finding out which local leaders were turning traitor from Vaerminas influence. I was suprised how powerful they potrayed our Daedric Prince of dreams, like sure she had an army of insane peasants following her but I found it incredibly threatning that she was able to turn good friends on each other and knights turn on the nobles they're supposed to protect. There's a line in the questline that gave me goosebumps went somethin like "Congratulaions on saving your general, but you have sacrificed your king". Like she legit got our man King Emeric suicidal and to me looked like she was gonna replace him with her mf skeleton chad boyfriend. I really enjoyed it tbh
Ok a bad dream that stuck with me ' I was walking across a cricket pitch with my mates, when I heard a roaring coming from behind some house's on the boundary, then a plane appeared in view coming straight for the field. I was in the way and got crushed by the wheels. '
Although I do have plenty of dreams about situations that could be considered frightening, I rarely count them as nightmares because inside the dream I am calm. The hilarious thing is, if I do have a nightmare it's usually about a small creature/monster, usually about 6 inches (15 cm). In these nightmares I know this creature is dangerous in some way, but nobody believes me, either saying something so small must be harmless or sometimes finding it cute.
On a different note, has anyone ever had a dream within a dream? I actually did, several years before that movie ever came out. It really stuck in my head because it startled me so much. It wasn't scary or exciting, but it still kind of blew my mind. 🤯
She is the force that calls the souls of mortals back to Mundus from the Dream Sleave when they wake. Such a force, tearing you from blissful perfection and thrusting you back into harsh Reality, would be seen as a nightmare to the mortal perception, and it is in these nightmares that she plays with their minds.
Vaermina's "truth" could be a delusion, or possibly a statement on Mundus being Lorkhan's realm of Oblivion? Less "what I'm showing you is the Really Real" and more "what you will wake up to is no more substantial than this, the dreamings of a higher being." RE: the story of Vaermina and Sheogorath, I've always seen the various stories of Sheogorath overcoming [Insert Prince Here] at their own game as being apocryphal. I don't think Shaggy Wrath is much of a patron of truth in any sense, and maybe these stories propagate more due to his own amusement at peoples' belief in them than anything else. Which might, in a sense, add up to the same thing, him beating them at their own games (in the minds of their own worshipers, even though it didn't actually happen).
Not really since these Dreams can manifest into reality. Dreams are very real and can destroy you. If Bethesda had that old school creativity Dawnstar would have been a Silent Hill like warped reality dreamscape quest that you'd have to unravel and either banish or keep the Skull of Corruption.
My funniest nightmare had to do with an evil emu, that was out to get me. I hid under a bridge, in a ditch full of cold water. The emu slowly looked over the edge, evil intentions in its eyes. In that dream, as well as in real life, I made a scared sound, kinda like "huuuu". Because I physically actually made the sound, I woke up because of hearing my own voice. That was the funniest way to wake up from a nightmare I tell you. (in real life, I'm not afraid of emu's, so I have no clue why I would have a nightmare about it)
Maybe when people have dreams like Michael described where its more of a trippy dream but not quite a nightmare, Vaermina can sense that energy and come corrupt your dream, robbing it from the dreamsleeve
Imagine Jurrasic Park meets Barny and the Smurfs, that one still haunts me today. Purple Dinos, scary looking as Jurrasic Park, Short Blue Hobbit people and im the only regular looking person. Everything sky, atmosphere, Ground, everything had a Purpleish hue. That was scary because wasnt no cool super powers or magic or nothing. I was trying not to die lol
Skyrim, an eleven year old game at this point, has gotten many criticism over the years on things they could improve on in the many, many "versions" of the game that they have released, but looking at the series as a whole each game has brought a lot to an amazing amount of depth to the world of tamriel, and it really pleases me that there are still so many channels putting out quality content on skyrim and its predecessors 👍❤
Yeah hindsight certainly is something bgs did not have when making skyrim hopefully tes6 will be more of an 'elder scrolls' game because I have a feeling bgs really want to perfect tes 6
Yeah, but the Game does heavily water down and kinda toss out all the more interesting Lore on the Nords. Old Nordic Lore, as well as weapon variety and story depth in like say, Morrowind, all of that was taken away and watered down in Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim. But still, they did add a few cool things, admittedly, so while the Hate isn't _fully_ warranted, the disappointment is understandable
@@ciaranmck4469 i honestly hope they are truly waiting until tue technology advances enough to realize their vision for tes 6 as they have said, but then I see the games they have made since and I am concerned they will continue down the road of streaming it into action games with little roleplaying but they make the worldbuilding pretty(which is appreciated when done well) to distract us from the fact the world makes very little sence and lacks true depth, world and npc simulation, and meaningful quest developments that impact the world. Things that do try to do those things far too often end on the chopping block until it is scaled down into the usual patterns of the games.
@@thalmoragent9344 i fully agree with you on that front. Oblivion was a disappointment in providing a unique world to explore, instead relying on cliche high fantasy tropes to contrast the realms of oblivion, which were well done but all the same and repetitive. But the quests outside of the main questline were more creative and the guild quests retained more of the morrowind questlines which aim to make you feel as just a tiny entity in that overwelming world amd you slowly grow into the power fantasy having truly earned it. By the time they made skyrim it was chosen one power fantasy from just about the start of the game. And yeah both oblivion and skyrim were highly untrue to the previously established lore. They patch the changes up with fun lore bits but it is plain to see that the provinces described were better than the provinces delivered. Still, it doesn't still have a community for no reason😊
what if Jygallag and Peryite are fighting a war throughout Oblivion which is why we dont see the influence of Jyg. They're both important for natural order, but both do it in completely different ways.
Memories vs. Dreams: The brain acts very similarly to things that happen during dreams as it does during everyday life, to the point where you are kind of paralyzed to protect yourself from acting out your dreams. It's one of the explanations for incubi/succubi, dream paralysis, etc and why somnambulism occurs. Granted, we're talking about a fantasy setting but I don't really see the Skyrim quest being about a memory as that absurd.
I had a nightmare when I was like 7 that a giant tree grew out of my house and at the top was a dentist's office which was run by Keebler elves that I had to fight to avoid getting my cavities filled or whatever
All of the claims about her can be reconciled if she's just considered to be the Dædric Prince associated with psychic phenomena, including things like astral projection. You'll hear accounts from people who have claimed to achieve it that it is a deeper level of reality and stuff like that but it's also associated with dreams, especially nightmares when you try to achieve it with occult and psychedelic means
It would be sick if she had some DLC at some point where we use the Dream World Amulet from Oblivion -- an artifact made by a wizard in that game, not an artifact of Vaermina -- to go to her realm. In Oblivion it had nothing to do with her, but lets you enter dreams. So arguably it should let one move through her realm with more agency than an actual dreamer. Also, it would just be awesome to find the amulet years later when it was a newly made artifact in Oblivion. Maybe, after hundreds of years, it's actually said to be her artifact.
A recent nightmare that i had involved me and pretty much my entiry family. Everyone was sitting on a long wooden table with a bunch of fondue pots filled with hot oil. The whole table was overrun by mice, everywhere you looked there where a dosen of mice running around, the rest of the table was empty. Weirdly everyone at the table was ok with that (including me), and just started grapping the mice by their tails and dipping them into the hot oil for a few seconds and eat them (including me). I think in my dream the mice had a weirdly sweat taste, in a very dicusting way, but everybody just kept on eating and chatting. After some time i just woke up, weirded out by wtf just happened.
so I'm getting the sense that she's the daedric prince of altered states of consciousness, but where the individual returns to reality unlike with sheorogath
I think it would be interesting if Zenimax, BS, or BGS would expand upon Vaermina to be almost like an analogue to Sanguine. Instead of offering hedonism in the form of debauchery, she could offer bliss in the form of escapism. Taking a Dagoth Ur angle with Vaermina worship would also make her a lot more interesting, even better if they could find a way to incorporate Vaermina's influence into Dagoth's "Dreamers." Even including concepts like "inception" where worshippers call upon Vaermina to inspire political figures to see things their way. There's honestly a lot of cool and creative ways to flesh out the influence of The Prince of Dreams. Or even something like Vaermina being responsible for conspiracy theories due to their association to fear, which could be influenced through dreams. Imagine if every irrational conspiracy theorist in TES VI considered themself a "Waking Dreamer" with rhetoric similar to Dagoth Ur's Dreamers.
my funniest nightmare i remember is that i went to our kitchen and there was a human sized lady liberty statue in there and i was TERRIFIED of it. it doesn't SOUND scary but in the dream it was the most terrifying thing i had ever seen. in the dream i left the kitchen to run away and got caught in a hurricane and somehow i knew the statue had turned into a hurricane
Worst the nightmare I've ever had started off as a lucid dream doing whatever I feel like then blinking and ending up in my house with this thing out of the corner of my eye my best estimation is that it was a little girl dressed up in all white and had no face telling me that I had no power over her and to let her in she got progressively more angry every time I told her no every light in the house turned gray like an old movie as the house shook and as the windows rattled
To Scott’s point about being unsure as to what the Vaermina worshipper’s mean when they hype up her realm as a sort of “Promised Land”: I think the cultists are saying the world of dreams and nightmares they inhabit is more ‘real’ than reality because it’s a state of immaterial consciousness, which would be what the universe was like before the creation of Mundus. It’s truer because it was there before, and is the pattern underlying the physical realm.
I have a character that worships her, and is deluded that killing people in their sleep, or with illusions only send them to a lovely dreamworld where they'll always be happy.
If i rememeber cprrectly Daedra aren't bound by mortal time, so Vaermina might show several different possible time frames to mortals for a desire outcomes.
Both your dreams are very relatable 😅👍 we get use to them, right? It doesn't often really scare us anymore, as you said the things happen but you're calm about it. For me that thanslated from me always running from the monsters to bringing the fight to them. I'm kinda proud of my dream self and look up to him. Honestly it has become lile my own super immersive high quality action movies🤣 wish I remembered them more often and forget the ones that are really bad.
It's funny to me that never once, when doing her quest in Oblivion, did I get the impression that she was evil. Rather, I always thought she and her sphere were cool and fascinating. I was always confused, then, when I would read the in-universe sources about her. Then I did her quest in Skyrim and thought, "Ah, so apparently they felt they didn't communicate her personality well enough in Oblivion so now they're overcorrecting to get their point across." 😂
Scott: *jumps directly to talking about the dream-sleeve*
Me: "Ah, we're skipping the foreplay then? Just the way I like it!"
*Molag Bal has joined the chat*
@@oghaze9318 😂😂😂
@@oghaze9318 Yeooo chilll😂😂😂
@@oghaze9318 Overpowered Comment.
What, just like that? Wham bam goodbye mam?
That whispering of Amoung Us a little after 32:51 had me rollin 🤣
Classics 😂
Vaermina is basically Sheogorath's goth little sister.
*"IT'S NOT A PHASE, SKOOMA CAT!"*
They could have literally just talked about their dreams the whole time and I still would have loved it 😂
They really should just do an episode where they talk about their dreams tho
It would have fit perfectly with this
“So basically when you run out of creativity, you turn to political commentary.” 😂 actually made me laugh while I’m at the office working. You guys are great. 😤
Glad to finally get Vaermina, always found her really interesting and underrated. Both in fandom, as well as in lore
*"Same, she's my favorite Daedric Prince, her Sphere is pretty dope too. Worship her to kill your enemies in their sleep, and give yourself truly great dreams as well... an escape from the reality, the trap that is Mundus"*
She’s my favorite Daedra, I really hope that in ES6 we get to explore her realm in a mind-fuck DLC like how Blood Moon features Hircine, Shivering Isles does Sheogorath and Dragonborn features Hermeos Mora (don’t know how to spell that one)
@@sspectre8217 it really does feel like they're saving her for ES6 i am guessing she will be integral to the plot and we'll be able to visit her realm
@@Lukkilikka Just the Dreamstrider potion has so much potential, especially if they theme the DLCs with time and memories.
the first nightmare i can remember was being in a sewer and discovering my parents being whisked away by a whirlpool while the yeti from rudolph stood over them
yo that dude is still scary and im 30 now xD
Oh my god I used to always have nightmares about the Abominable Snow Monster. For years and years and years I was terrified of it. I always dreamt that it or Big Bird or Elmo were eating me.
*"Ah Vaermina, at long last, my favorite Daedric Prince. Quite the Et'Ada if I do say so myself, far better than those "Good Daedra" our Dunmer cousins foolishly worship. Well done, Drew the Daedrologist."*
"You know Altmer, while not discussed, the goal to consume a sphere and conquer a realm is to do the same to all that is retained within. *head peaks around a corner* I would've thought you'd prefer the survival of Aetherius? Of course, I should not expect such knowledge of the grander scale outside of this sphere by one that has not looked in from the outside.
@@YagrumBagarn69
*"Ah, so you've been able to see the Aurbis? You've seen all 3 Realms? Well, regardless, surely you'd help us escape this mortal trap of Mundus, as your kind had also strived to do? Actually, now that I think about it... how DID you manage to escape the disappearance of your race?"*
@@thalmoragent9344 "Yes Altmer, I and my people did wish to be free.." *my own eyes seem to dim as my thoughts race to reach so far back* "As studies of the heart began, studies of the great truth were coming to fruition. Through protected study of what most call the black books brought via calculated invasions to that blackened library along with careful experimentation...we had learned how to...well leave. What we discovered the great truths.." *as my eyes look back into yours my expression sombers* "There are no words in any of your people's language or any others save my own for what we learned. The knowledge we gained even before that life cycle; the nature of that soul of yours, the true nature and intended plan of creation, what had gone wrong, the truth of the towers, the eye of the constructor, we had control of 3 towers by the time I was born again to see the Atmorans." *looks and nods at you in confirmation* "Yes I am aware of every life I've lived, each in a long succession. The truth of eternal memory and the knowledge that came with it was learned two lifetimes before the fall of the Falmer." *I smile knowingly as well as raising a hand in a direction* "I was the one that defeated that relic's great grandfather when he laid claim to high tower, waged all out warfare and when I showed him that we would not bend he desperately tried to use the tower in a similar fashion the imperials did with white gold tower. *I lock blazing bronze eyes with you* "Do not believe a history only told through the eyes of a waking dreamer, this is what we regarded every other races knowledge, simply because it is not accurately historic. No one even remembered the kalpas that came before, the previous dragon breaks, several of which we caused ourselves in order to save, to recover or undo and once to find out a truth. So believe me when I say that they would've done much worse than seal it away like the Atmoran did." *my stoney expression softens slightly* "Even as a child I could sense what that Falmer wanted with the eye, I could see the same insane desire to siege control if a godly tool for mortal means, I could see the dead Atmoran children again and I remember that their report boldly stated that he himself had led at the front of the entire fight. Would you give such power over to a race that already proved destructive towards their own kin thrice already before? Right after they just brazenly crush the heads of babies?! *I sit down and slouch my shoulders* "It is truly difficult to explain to one so singular in existence and experience." *my massive hand reaches out to you offering an open palm, unknown sigils and runes all tangle together into a warping vortex of energies* "I can show you but a glimpse of the truth Altmer, just a glimpse to be safe" *my other hand waves over my colossal form to show horrendous yet reinforced scars from grevious wounds despite my earlier display showing mortal weaponry does nothing to my flesh* "There are things out there that put everything I've seen within besides the beings you naively worship, somethings even worse." *ebony enlaced animorphs bring a chair over for you and back away as you see ebony clad ballista take aim at us as ebony spiders bring over glowing potions of full recovery and take up defensive positions as massive ebony centurions weilding giant tower shields circle us and lock shields, you notice amongst all the red pulsing of the blood of lorkahn you see the glistening pure glow of aetherium laced in and out on them and on my own gear, I catch your wandering eyes and nod behind you* "Aetherium was a material that allowed us to weave stability over power into even that which tonal configuration could not alone withstand." *a shadow falls over us and as you finally look behind and up you see a titanic demi-numidie stand over us, two extending cannon shaped attachments glow with red and white energy as it's eyes gaze down at me and holds up it gigantic hands, a brighter glowing light returns your eyes back at me to see first hand tonal manipulation as the warping energy in my wraith guard gloved hand has grown three fold and you understand the dangers of just what I'm offering as my now blazing star like eyes turn to yours* "A few still even worse."
I remember there being an actual difference between bad dreams and nightmares. That bad dreams you can sleep through but nightmares will wake you. Of course I have also heard the definition of a nightmare simply being a dream which causes fright of some kind, whether you wake up or not.
I don't know about that only because there's a thing called night terrors which involves not waking up from nightmares. I don't know where you heard this from but it really just seems like semantics at the end of the day. People use the terms bad dreams and nightmares interchangeably all the time so I just wonder where you even learned this from.
@@donovanfaust3227 Ok, the bot seems to shadowban me for some reason.
"This definition helps distinguish nightmares from bad dreams: while both involve disturbing dream content, only a nightmare causes you to wake up from sleep. Nightmares are vivid dreams that may be threatening, upsetting, bizarre, or otherwise bothersome."
- Sleepfoundation
When I heard this I don't know. Years ago from something else. Might have been a video here on TH-cam.
I love this podcast. I always enjoy lore, but the random tangents you get on is the best part.
During the Nightcaller Temple quest in Skyrim, the priest (I forgot his name) tells you that Vaermina also deals with memories. That she collects them and replaces them with nightmares.
I completely forgot about that but I guess through that lens, she's not too dissimilar from Hermaeus Mora (a collector of knowledge) and Mephala (a collector of secrets). It seems like these three all collect elements that are essential to the mortal psyche
Ahh, the best part of my weekend! Thank you, Fudgemuppet. ❤️💜💙
I would really like a podcast exploring the Khajiiti pantheon. I *still* have "Er dra Namira, er dra Namira, er dra Azura!" stuck in my head from several weeks ago...
Weird how she said "Er Dra Namira" twice, wonder why? 😅
Scott’s piss dream story made me cackle! lmfao
Unfortunate that Vaermina's connection to the cure for vampirism wasn't mentioned. It's an interesting and often overlooked detail that may add some depth to her character in the future.
Last time I was this early the companions were still fighting a giant at pelagius farm.
Oh fuck double whammy on a Sunday morning, you guys are the shit 💯
I don't know why but upon reading this I thought "you guys are the trinimac" and I had myself a little laugh
Just mowed the grass and had a toke. Time to listen to our weekly Fudgemuppet podcast while I eat my pizza lunchable!
@Something Mildly Homophobic what’s so pathetic about it?
One of the earliest memories I have is from a dream where my mom had her arms ripped from her sockets by a VCR. I was like 3-4 and I remember having that dream repeatedly (or at least returning to that setting) and feeling like I had to be a hero and stop the evil VCR that would spit out strings of tape and rip arms off.
Have they done a redguard history pod cast yet? I would really really like one
Not yet
MULTIPLE TIMELINES AND DIMENSION VIBES INTENSIFY
They don’t get to the Cloud District often enough to fully cover the subject.
I think it would be really interesting if an antagonist achieves a near chim like state through worship of vermina. As they have studied and worshiped vermina for centuries, they begin to understand the world for what it actually is, a dream, and they slowly can start to manipulate the world around them. Mass panic arises, a new Dagoth Ur, the head of a new tribunal, maybe a mad Khajit with the desire to disrupt the lunar lattice.
I’ll always remember my first nightmare. I was on a playground and every exit was blocked by a wild animal I had seen on “Go Diego Go.” Then the dream changed to being chased around my kitchen by an alligator. It was quite an experience.
"Basically when you run out of creativity you turn to political commentary..."
Oof, savage XD
'.... broke and ran, pell-mell, from the gate.'
My childhood nightmare still finds a way to follow me to adulthood. This little nightmare cat kept leaping towards me & whenever I see a black cat, I am reminded that the cat in my nightmares is still prowling in my mind ready to hunt me down again & again. Unfortunately as the years went by the cat evolved becoming more humanoid & more menacing whenever I see it.
Vaermina or not, another Fudgemuppet podcast is a dream come true!
12:16 reminds me of a dream I had where monsters kept running towards me and after they reached me a bunch of times I eventually got sick of getting caught and punched one in the face and woke up.
The best way to start a morning
Yes! Vaermina. Couldn't wait for this one. Glad it's finally here.
Funniest nightmare I've had was waiting in line all day to pick up Elder Scrolls 6 on release day only to get home and find out that the game is Skyrim 2
I have an idea for your podcast: You've ranked the "best" of the different races, like Nords or the mightiest Imperial, now do it by class. Who was the mightiest mage? Shalidor? Sotha Sil? Divayth Fyr? Who was the mightiest warrior? Or stealthiest? Lots of room for power rankings and versus battles.
Vaermina quest in Oblivion: Great
Skull of Corruption in Oblivion: OP
Vaermina quest in Skyrim: Okay
Skull of Corruption in Skyrim: Terrible
But erandur is a bro tho.
Vaermina's quests should always be insane dreamscapes. I should be venturing the dreamland of unknown Kadath or why can't I be a dreamthief.
My worst nightmare was when I (in the dream) was investigating a haunted mine, I was trapped in a transitional mine-shaft between two ore-elevators, the one that took me down had already ascended back. Then I hear that the other one from the deep starts to ascend to my position, and somehow I knew that it was full of crazed cave-dwelling troglodytes that would rape and torture me, and there was nothing I could do. Luckily in my panic I willed myself to awake, which I did. Woke up with my heart pounding like crazy, scared as hell.
you just dreamt "the pitt"
I love how in dreams you just know things that you really shouldnt be able to know 😂
New head canon: ESO is a pocket realm of Vaermina, where she toys with souls she's captured.
Love you guys! Azura and the box is to me one of the best stories, are there any others stories like it I should know about???
the only thing i look forward to all week
I'm just glad that these videos that you guys put so much work into barely get any dislikes
that dub step HITTIN doh 🤣🤣
Another one of my favs Vaermina! You guys are the best
So she's basically the Prince if Self-Deception. That fits with everything you said. Fear. Escapism. All of it.
I’m not a ES super fan but I love listening to y’all’s podcast.
Vaermina is literally Daedric Freddy Kruger.
I love it and hope she gets more attention in TES: 6
Michael's new catch phrase: "Mate, are you being cheeky?"
Laughed through this whole episode. Great job!
1:48 What 'in Oblivion' was that? It sounded like the Hypnotoad (from Futurama) covering Headstrong by Trapped.
You for real or sarcastic ?!
Im a fan of Wayrests questline in ESO, like I actually felt paranoia finding out which local leaders were turning traitor from Vaerminas influence. I was suprised how powerful they potrayed our Daedric Prince of dreams, like sure she had an army of insane peasants following her but I found it incredibly threatning that she was able to turn good friends on each other and knights turn on the nobles they're supposed to protect. There's a line in the questline that gave me goosebumps went somethin like "Congratulaions on saving your general, but you have sacrificed your king". Like she legit got our man King Emeric suicidal and to me looked like she was gonna replace him with her mf skeleton chad boyfriend. I really enjoyed it tbh
Ok a bad dream that stuck with me ' I was walking across a cricket pitch with my mates, when I heard a roaring coming from behind some house's on the boundary, then a plane appeared in view coming straight for the field. I was in the way and got crushed by the wheels. '
Although I do have plenty of dreams about situations that could be considered frightening, I rarely count them as nightmares because inside the dream I am calm. The hilarious thing is, if I do have a nightmare it's usually about a small creature/monster, usually about 6 inches (15 cm). In these nightmares I know this creature is dangerous in some way, but nobody believes me, either saying something so small must be harmless or sometimes finding it cute.
Do a video on where all the pheasant comes from in Skyrim
It’s ironic for the prince of nightmares that the episode on Vaermina is one of the funniest of the podcast, in my opinion.
I'm excited for this one. I know so little about this prince.
Double fudge sunday? HELL YEAH
On a different note, has anyone ever had a dream within a dream? I actually did, several years before that movie ever came out. It really stuck in my head because it startled me so much. It wasn't scary or exciting, but it still kind of blew my mind. 🤯
yes. i have also had nightmares where i keep waking up, only to end up in a new nightmare. those things are the absolute worst
@@Lukkilikka Oh bummer!! I am glad mine were mundane
She is the force that calls the souls of mortals back to Mundus from the Dream Sleave when they wake. Such a force, tearing you from blissful perfection and thrusting you back into harsh Reality, would be seen as a nightmare to the mortal perception, and it is in these nightmares that she plays with their minds.
Vaermina's "truth" could be a delusion, or possibly a statement on Mundus being Lorkhan's realm of Oblivion? Less "what I'm showing you is the Really Real" and more "what you will wake up to is no more substantial than this, the dreamings of a higher being." RE: the story of Vaermina and Sheogorath, I've always seen the various stories of Sheogorath overcoming [Insert Prince Here] at their own game as being apocryphal. I don't think Shaggy Wrath is much of a patron of truth in any sense, and maybe these stories propagate more due to his own amusement at peoples' belief in them than anything else. Which might, in a sense, add up to the same thing, him beating them at their own games (in the minds of their own worshipers, even though it didn't actually happen).
Woah, FudgeMuppet back to back upload, sleep can wait
First time I’ve been to a video this early
Same 😅
Vaermina is like the goddess of illusion magic if you ask me.
Not really since these Dreams can manifest into reality. Dreams are very real and can destroy you. If Bethesda had that old school creativity Dawnstar would have been a Silent Hill like warped reality dreamscape quest that you'd have to unravel and either banish or keep the Skull of Corruption.
If we are in the dream of the god-head. Vaermina is the god of dreams inside of a dream?
2 videos in one day you boys are aiming for 1 million by next month
These podcasts are my bedtime stories
My funniest nightmare had to do with an evil emu, that was out to get me. I hid under a bridge, in a ditch full of cold water. The emu slowly looked over the edge, evil intentions in its eyes. In that dream, as well as in real life, I made a scared sound, kinda like "huuuu". Because I physically actually made the sound, I woke up because of hearing my own voice. That was the funniest way to wake up from a nightmare I tell you.
(in real life, I'm not afraid of emu's, so I have no clue why I would have a nightmare about it)
Paralyze + Fear + Frenzy = Sleep Paralysis Nightmare Poison.
I shall listen as I fall asleep and relish in the irony lol
Maybe when people have dreams like Michael described where its more of a trippy dream but not quite a nightmare, Vaermina can sense that energy and come corrupt your dream, robbing it from the dreamsleeve
Vaermina's mental torture reminds me of the Good Place. Everyone watch that show!
Vaermina gives me the fear that people will feel the need to tell me about their dreams
I feel TES VI should have a Shivering Isles-esque DLC set in the Quagmire
This morning’s nightmare was just vaermina fortelling the uploading of this episode. It all makes sense now.
Imagine Jurrasic Park meets Barny and the Smurfs, that one still haunts me today. Purple Dinos, scary looking as Jurrasic Park, Short Blue Hobbit people and im the only regular looking person. Everything sky, atmosphere, Ground, everything had a Purpleish hue. That was scary because wasnt no cool super powers or magic or nothing. I was trying not to die lol
Skyrim, an eleven year old game at this point, has gotten many criticism over the years on things they could improve on in the many, many "versions" of the game that they have released, but looking at the series as a whole each game has brought a lot to an amazing amount of depth to the world of tamriel, and it really pleases me that there are still so many channels putting out quality content on skyrim and its predecessors 👍❤
Yeah hindsight certainly is something bgs did not have when making skyrim hopefully tes6 will be more of an 'elder scrolls' game because I have a feeling bgs really want to perfect tes 6
Yeah, but the Game does heavily water down and kinda toss out all the more interesting Lore on the Nords.
Old Nordic Lore, as well as weapon variety and story depth in like say, Morrowind, all of that was taken away and watered down in Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim.
But still, they did add a few cool things, admittedly, so while the Hate isn't _fully_ warranted, the disappointment is understandable
@@ciaranmck4469 i honestly hope they are truly waiting until tue technology advances enough to realize their vision for tes 6 as they have said, but then I see the games they have made since and I am concerned they will continue down the road of streaming it into action games with little roleplaying but they make the worldbuilding pretty(which is appreciated when done well) to distract us from the fact the world makes very little sence and lacks true depth, world and npc simulation, and meaningful quest developments that impact the world. Things that do try to do those things far too often end on the chopping block until it is scaled down into the usual patterns of the games.
It's literally not even ten years old yet, how is it an eleven year old game?
@@thalmoragent9344 i fully agree with you on that front. Oblivion was a disappointment in providing a unique world to explore, instead relying on cliche high fantasy tropes to contrast the realms of oblivion, which were well done but all the same and repetitive. But the quests outside of the main questline were more creative and the guild quests retained more of the morrowind questlines which aim to make you feel as just a tiny entity in that overwelming world amd you slowly grow into the power fantasy having truly earned it. By the time they made skyrim it was chosen one power fantasy from just about the start of the game. And yeah both oblivion and skyrim were highly untrue to the previously established lore. They patch the changes up with fun lore bits but it is plain to see that the provinces described were better than the provinces delivered. Still, it doesn't still have a community for no reason😊
Lmfao 24:45 I laughed WAY TOO hard at that XD
what if Jygallag and Peryite are fighting a war throughout Oblivion which is why we dont see the influence of Jyg. They're both important for natural order, but both do it in completely different ways.
I’m shocked they haven’t hit a million subs yet
Memories vs. Dreams:
The brain acts very similarly to things that happen during dreams as it does during everyday life, to the point where you are kind of paralyzed to protect yourself from acting out your dreams. It's one of the explanations for incubi/succubi, dream paralysis, etc and why somnambulism occurs. Granted, we're talking about a fantasy setting but I don't really see the Skyrim quest being about a memory as that absurd.
I had a nightmare when I was like 7 that a giant tree grew out of my house and at the top was a dentist's office which was run by Keebler elves that I had to fight to avoid getting my cavities filled or whatever
Vaermina is super cool
Peryite still #1
Well all righty. The end of that was a little uhh yeah specific.
All of the claims about her can be reconciled if she's just considered to be the Dædric Prince associated with psychic phenomena, including things like astral projection. You'll hear accounts from people who have claimed to achieve it that it is a deeper level of reality and stuff like that but it's also associated with dreams, especially nightmares when you try to achieve it with occult and psychedelic means
It would be sick if she had some DLC at some point where we use the Dream World Amulet from Oblivion -- an artifact made by a wizard in that game, not an artifact of Vaermina -- to go to her realm. In Oblivion it had nothing to do with her, but lets you enter dreams. So arguably it should let one move through her realm with more agency than an actual dreamer. Also, it would just be awesome to find the amulet years later when it was a newly made artifact in Oblivion. Maybe, after hundreds of years, it's actually said to be her artifact.
I remember doing my first quest for her in resdayn I had nightmares as a kid.
I don't dream, or at least, I don't remember my dreams. The only ones I'm ever aware of are wet dreams
...So I guess, thanks Vaermina!
A recent nightmare that i had involved me and pretty much my entiry family. Everyone was sitting on a long wooden table with a bunch of fondue pots filled with hot oil. The whole table was overrun by mice, everywhere you looked there where a dosen of mice running around, the rest of the table was empty. Weirdly everyone at the table was ok with that (including me), and just started grapping the mice by their tails and dipping them into the hot oil for a few seconds and eat them (including me). I think in my dream the mice had a weirdly sweat taste, in a very dicusting way, but everybody just kept on eating and chatting. After some time i just woke up, weirded out by wtf just happened.
Still waiting for the "Ranking Elder Scrolls villains" podcast
so I'm getting the sense that she's the daedric prince of altered states of consciousness, but where the individual returns to reality unlike with sheorogath
I think it would be interesting if Zenimax, BS, or BGS would expand upon Vaermina to be almost like an analogue to Sanguine. Instead of offering hedonism in the form of debauchery, she could offer bliss in the form of escapism. Taking a Dagoth Ur angle with Vaermina worship would also make her a lot more interesting, even better if they could find a way to incorporate Vaermina's influence into Dagoth's "Dreamers." Even including concepts like "inception" where worshippers call upon Vaermina to inspire political figures to see things their way. There's honestly a lot of cool and creative ways to flesh out the influence of The Prince of Dreams. Or even something like Vaermina being responsible for conspiracy theories due to their association to fear, which could be influenced through dreams. Imagine if every irrational conspiracy theorist in TES VI considered themself a "Waking Dreamer" with rhetoric similar to Dagoth Ur's Dreamers.
Been waiting for this one
Best series
my funniest nightmare i remember is that i went to our kitchen and there was a human sized lady liberty statue in there and i was TERRIFIED of it. it doesn't SOUND scary but in the dream it was the most terrifying thing i had ever seen. in the dream i left the kitchen to run away and got caught in a hurricane and somehow i knew the statue had turned into a hurricane
Worst the nightmare I've ever had started off as a lucid dream doing whatever I feel like then blinking and ending up in my house with this thing out of the corner of my eye my best estimation is that it was a little girl dressed up in all white and had no face telling me that I had no power over her and to let her in she got progressively more angry every time I told her no every light in the house turned gray like an old movie as the house shook and as the windows rattled
To Scott’s point about being unsure as to what the Vaermina worshipper’s mean when they hype up her realm as a sort of “Promised Land”: I think the cultists are saying the world of dreams and nightmares they inhabit is more ‘real’ than reality because it’s a state of immaterial consciousness, which would be what the universe was like before the creation of Mundus. It’s truer because it was there before, and is the pattern underlying the physical realm.
Yall should do a Tribunal podcast
I have a character that worships her, and is deluded that killing people in their sleep, or with illusions only send them to a lovely dreamworld where they'll always be happy.
42:00 Is 'but then I took an arrow to the knee' funny or still over used?
Sweet, been a good while since i seen one of these lore vids
If i rememeber cprrectly Daedra aren't bound by mortal time, so Vaermina might show several different possible time frames to mortals for a desire outcomes.
Are you guys going to make a video about the new concept art for the cities in starfield? I think it’s worth talking about
Both your dreams are very relatable 😅👍 we get use to them, right? It doesn't often really scare us anymore, as you said the things happen but you're calm about it. For me that thanslated from me always running from the monsters to bringing the fight to them. I'm kinda proud of my dream self and look up to him. Honestly it has become lile my own super immersive high quality action movies🤣 wish I remembered them more often and forget the ones that are really bad.
Last time I was this early..mannimarco was in his prime
It's funny to me that never once, when doing her quest in Oblivion, did I get the impression that she was evil. Rather, I always thought she and her sphere were cool and fascinating. I was always confused, then, when I would read the in-universe sources about her. Then I did her quest in Skyrim and thought, "Ah, so apparently they felt they didn't communicate her personality well enough in Oblivion so now they're overcorrecting to get their point across." 😂
I just wanna see some more vanilla builds🙏🙏
Love you guys