My Website: wildtruth.net My Patreon: / danielmackler Short and hopefully right to the point -- on the connection between abused people abusing others (and often their own selves).
Also abused people can also put up extremely thick walls of protection, which only isolates them further and make others feel rejected and abused (through lack of warmth)
I agree. When someone is abused over and over again, I believe, it becomes “normal”. A person losses or never develops a complete understanding of what a healthy relationship looks like with themselves and others. So, it verily easy to replicate the cycle in some way either toward yourself or others. (I hope I make sense. I am speaking from my own personal experience. I grew up with two abusive parents with a very destructive marriage).
I agree 100 percent. My mother was sexually and mentally abused as a toddler until she was 12. She was fiercely protective of me growing up especially with someone who was a sexual abuser. She was very damaged and did get into a relationship with an abusive man who proceeded to ruin my and my brother's life teen life. She was also somewhat abusive in that I can say I never felt unconditionally loved ever. She would say things that hurt me deeply or just didn't approve of my art, photography, etc. I have done a lot of soul searching during her dying process and have worked through a lot of it but still, things come up to be healed.
When you learn that you do not anyone's approval, nor validation, is when you will have be more content with your self, and your life. My 'art' has also been rejected by my family. I don't do it for anyone but myself, so who cares what others think!
A lot of truth and wisdom here Daniel. Thanks for this. It's an important cause and affect linkage that I think many people would not naturally make. So much damage is turned inward as self-defeating unconscious behaviour.
Hey Daniel, I would love to hear your perspective on anger - its origins and how to respond to it in ourselves and in others. I find anger to be such an important topic because it's an emotion that is not "liked" very much, pften suppressed and we do not receive a lot of empathy for it when we express anger, yet it is a stressful and sometimes even painful emotion. There is hardly anything helpful out there on anger. (Even guru Marsha Linehan does not seem to have a dialectic response to anger - when asked about it she said she tells clients to "cut it out" - wth?) I've found that when I feel angry, the reason for that anger is usually profound and what I need most in that moment is solidarity - not to feed my anger, but in the sense of "let's do something about it!" (the source of the anger). Even if there is no immadiate solution solidarity can relieve a lot of the stress already. But what if there is nothing that can be done about the source or sources of the anger? I find it incredibly hard to support others who seem to be devastated by their anger. One reason for this is my helplessness and the other is fear, I guess, of that anger being turned towards me. I know that many others struggle with their own anger or with other people's anger. Do you think you could do a video on anger? Or maybe there already exists one which I haven't found?
Ugh ! So true ! I was so proud of myself for not being outwardly abusing, after all I went through. I neglected to see how I was self harming, self donating to wretched situations, self destructing , etc. I was the secret enemy holding myself hostage ! ~ I made collage paintings about this experience. And I showed it to my therapist ; he had nothing to say.. well ., he was new to clinical therapy. He told me he used to be a banking advisor & now this was his second career. He also told me he was married with kids & decided to be in a gay relationship. ~ Is it correct for a therapist to be telling me his personal stuff ? I felt cheated. I was paying money to listen to his stories. ~ When he did “ listen “, all he did was take notes .. on his yellow pad ..
Merry Graphix- No that is not appropriate behavior or information sharing by a therapist. I hope you find a better one. Take care of yourself please- and finding safe and reliable people to share the most vulnerable parts of yourself with is in and of itself a journey after abuse... Be well, be safe and God bless.
Your title is accurate. It does NOT mean people who've been sexually abused sexually abuse other people. It simply means people who've had their feelings hurt other people's feelings. I watched this video earlier on my lunch break at work on my phone.
Yes, the abuse turns inwards and plays out as some form of self harm or self neglect. I believe that the abused may believe that that's how they deserve to be treated or they may feel worthless as a result of being made to feel worthless. I see it everywhere in varying degrees among many of us. If we don't have the inclination to punish others we punish ourselves.
There are always exceptions to this. Generally, yes, very true... referring back to your previous video.. everyone is traumatised some way or another.. it’s human nature to display unhealthy habits... relationship styles ways of thinking etc... lots of people do it. Either for their entire lives or portion... ultimately I believe that being abused in clear-cut ways (physically, sexually..) increases the chances of replicating pain in some form... especially in childhood years Here’s to positive psychology and believing in healing... overcoming trauma
Exceptions also come from mostly upbringing + other life circumstances. Because there may be some good parts in their upbringing along wth bad ones. It's not simplistic or black and white. For example, therapists explore each client's unique story in therapy to figure out what their problems, pros and cons etc are. Just knowing that someone was traumatized and even the type of abuse they experienced is not enough to get the full picture. So we can't judge about people and compare them unless we know everything about them and we don't cause it's impossible. And if you think you do then that's very naive even if you're best friends since childhood with them.
In Dennis Palumbo's book "Writing from the Inside Out" he brings up another way this has worked out for creatives in particular. He offers a principle: Don't treat your talents the way you were treated. I think the world has lost untold artistic riches, beauty and genius to this dynamic of creative, talented, gifted children having their gifts aborted by abuse.
Enjoying your videos, very insightful. What are your thoughts on TRE.. trauma releasing therapy. Can you please do a video on ways to physically release trauma?
Not sure if it was a danmack video but I'd seen and practiced breathing in and out without pause, breathing the same rhythm in and out for about twenty minutes. If you do that, you get into a real headspace
There is a meditation technique called Vipasana that reveals your traumas to you and gives you the opportunity to heal them. There are free schools around the world to teach this technique, founded by teacher named Goenka.
Appreciate many of your videos. Might you be willing to consider the work of Boszormenyi-Nagy in his contextual family therapy model ... He speaks on destructive and constructive entitlement... I agree with those that are abused as children turning on themselves quite readily from my personal & professional experience in the field 28 years. Thanks again for you time, expertise and generosity.
Hey Daniel tnx for the vid, very enlightening. I want to ask you what do you think about narcissistic/sociopathic behavior. Isn’t probably a case of neglecting/violence of some sort by the parents in a person childhood? I hear a lot about genetic predisposition but that would make near to impossible one to do something about it
"Hurt Family History Hurt Name Meaning English (chiefly Nottinghamshire): variant of Hart. German: topographic name from Middle High German hurt ‘hurdle’, ‘woven fence’. Dutch: nickname, presumably for a pugnacious or aggressive person, from Middle Dutch hort, hurt ‘strike’, ‘blow’, ‘attack’." Hurt People Hurt People ?! There are a lot of hurt people out there it seems .................. sry for the pun, couldn't resist . What I wanted to ask is what if hurt people don't hurt people in any way, does that even happen ? and why would that be ?
Hi Allen, I actually recorded a video on this subject some months ago, but haven't had the guts to put it up yet. I may soon. It's scary for me to put up most of my videos for one reason or another, but on a controversial subject like that, more so! That said, I don't know any good books or documentaries on the subject, though they're probably out there somewhere.... Daniel
@@dmackler58 I know its easier said when I am not the person putting myself out there- but this is important information. There is so much amateur diagnosis and vitriol and lack of understanding on the internet about personality disorders and psychopathy/sociopathy etc. when diagnostically (they) are in a small minority. There are clearly a lot of hurt people out here and anything that gets people to consider the point of view of another- especially those that are labelled " monsters" could be part of a paradigm shift towards genuine empathy through understanding. Different than tolerance of behavior that is blatantly harmful, but opportunities for us all to heal wounded elements of the Self. And not be so quick to judge first without doing the harder job of seeking to comprehend the 'how's' and 'why's'. Anyway- hope this made sense, and I really appreciate your work. Thank you.
@@happylindsay4475 I agree, it really sucks to see people using medical diagnostics to shame or de-humanise others. I won't assume that it's malicious but it's really counter-productive and unfortunate.
I think it’s lack of understanding: all people who are abused are abused by a former victim. Not all abused people abuse others. Does that make sense? Those are two different groups being defined.
Sex work is important, I know sex workers who truly enjoy their jobs. But yes they all dealt with some sort of trauma. Let’s remember though that sex work is real work and an important role in society. They are healers of a sort. Just like a lot of people become social workers because of past trauma . Same deal. :) Sending love!
Isn’t that a bit of a sample bias? The fact that 100% of sex workers WHO GO TO THERAPY have some sort of prior trauma. What about sex workers who don’t feel the need to go to therapy? It doesn’t sound wrong, but I don’t know how you would know that. Otherwise, decent video. Watch Tuca and Bertie.
Lots of traumatized people don't feel the need to go to therapy. Most of them. Also many prostituted women can't get away from prostitution, from their pimps and certainly most of them don't even have an opportunity to start therapy or even to think about it. Lots of them are trafficked and others do that because of poverty situation. But you keep telling yourself wishy-washy tales to justify it or maybe even to justify your direct use of them if you're a john.
Not my point at all. No doubt, the majority of sex workers are psychologically unhealthy; however, Daniel can only speak in authority regarding those who go to therapy. I agree with him, but it's still an argumentative fallacy to use one category of a group as proof over another category of that group. In terms of argument, it's exactly as valid as a cop saying "every black person I ever arrested was a criminal, therefore, all black people are criminals". It's probably true that all prostitutes have issues, but Daniel can only speak with certainty regarding those specifically who went to therapy. The specifics of what is known experience and what is mere speculation is important to clarify, lest anything be taken out of context to justify something for which it wasn't intended.
But prostitution is not a race. They're not some magic unicorns that differ from other women/people as a whole. They're just women/sometimes men of different races etc but in prostitution. It's a situation, not a quality of a person. The whole situation they're in is abusive, violent and unhealthy. No one would end up there for good reasons. And if one does then they're also traumatized. But if you think some few ones that get lots of money and an opportunity to fully control their so-called ''work'' environment'' and what they do represent the majority of prostituted women then it's very naive. And to get to know their situation we also need them to go to therapy first. I would argue these few economically and socially privilegged ones with better circumstances also might have some childhood traumas.
Prostitution is not work, it's just rape, it doesn't matter if you think that's offensive, the people selling their own bodies for other people to have sex with are still being harmed
@Jim Bo @name Glad to hear there are some sane and opened-eyed people in the comments! If someone actually gets to know the daily reality these women are living and knows about trauma and is against it then how can they be any other way? First major eye-opener was the book called ''The Natashas'' by Victor Malarek for me as a woman from Eastern Europe. It was even sort of ''traumatizing'' to read it in some way, but I won't say ''trigger warning'' because we just can't not to read it. We owe to be aware of these things. However it can be triggering for survivors of prostitution, trafficking and sexual abuse or just sexual abuse.
Hi Panni, thanks for your comment. And thanks everyone for commenting. Food for thought, especially since I have no intention to offend, especially unnecessarily. I’ve been thinking about it for a few days and have also had a chance to consult with a few different people who actually have done various forms of “sex work,” and mostly what I've come to is that the word "prostitute" could be used as a slur, but isn't necessarily a slur. Also, I have known several people over the years who did sex work and referred to themselves as prostitutes or as having been prostitutes and were not slurring themselves. I also know other people who have referred to themselves as sex workers but never engaged in actual sexual activity with clients, and thus would not have fit the meaning of what I was talking about in this video… All the best, Daniel
@@TkerIsAPimp I have but he wouldn't do it so he enjoys it. That would be sadistic. He was so fed up with his life and that no one would listen to him and his reaction to his sister threatening to stab him was, "F*** you, i'll stab myself" and he stabbed himself with a fork. And that was one instance of physical harm to himself. But he didn't do it because he enjoyed it, and he doesn't mentally harm himself.
Also abused people can also put up extremely thick walls of protection, which only isolates them further and make others feel rejected and abused (through lack of warmth)
Soooooo true!!
I like your YT name xD
people who weren't respected , have trouble respecting themselves and sometimes they don't know how to respect others either.
This is absolutely true. All about personal boundaries.
Absolutely true. The abuse either gets turned inward, outward or a maddening combination of the two...
Thanks Daniel.
I agree. When someone is abused over and over again, I believe, it becomes “normal”. A person losses or never develops a complete understanding of what a healthy relationship looks like with themselves and others. So, it verily easy to replicate the cycle in some way either toward yourself or others. (I hope I make sense. I am speaking from my own personal experience. I grew up with two abusive parents with a very destructive marriage).
Aw yeah nother video from ya boi DannyMac. Let's get out there and heal some traumas today boys
Little nerdy! But cool of u to say I think. Nerds are rad😎
DannyMac is in da hood. We gon get sum boundreez up in dis place. Like ninjas with stealth we make a few jutsus and raise mental health
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@@veganfire4218 ROFL
I agree 100 percent. My mother was sexually and mentally abused as a toddler until she was 12. She was fiercely protective of me growing up especially with someone who was a sexual abuser. She was very damaged and did get into a relationship with an abusive man who proceeded to ruin my and my brother's life teen life. She was also somewhat abusive in that I can say I never felt unconditionally loved ever. She would say things that hurt me deeply or just didn't approve of my art, photography, etc. I have done a lot of soul searching during her dying process and have worked through a lot of it but still, things come up to be healed.
When you learn that you do not anyone's approval, nor validation, is when you will have be more content with your self, and your life.
My 'art' has also been rejected by my family. I don't do it for anyone but myself, so who cares what others think!
The world needs healing.
you can say that again!!
So true
This is true. I put myself down everyday. Can't help it.
It's not always hurt people hurt people. If people show disrespect they don't respect you. These people are so narcissistic or self absorbed.
A lot of truth and wisdom here Daniel. Thanks for this. It's an important cause and affect linkage that I think many people would not naturally make. So much damage is turned inward as self-defeating unconscious behaviour.
Hurt people hurt themselves.
Yep! Everything you said here is correct
Hey Daniel,
I would love to hear your perspective on anger - its origins and how to respond to it in ourselves and in others. I find anger to be such an important topic because it's an emotion that is not "liked" very much, pften suppressed and we do not receive a lot of empathy for it when we express anger, yet it is a stressful and sometimes even painful emotion. There is hardly anything helpful out there on anger.
(Even guru Marsha Linehan does not seem to have a dialectic response to anger - when asked about it she said she tells clients to "cut it out" - wth?)
I've found that when I feel angry, the reason for that anger is usually profound and what I need most in that moment is solidarity - not to feed my anger, but in the sense of "let's do something about it!" (the source of the anger). Even if there is no immadiate solution solidarity can relieve a lot of the stress already. But what if there is nothing that can be done about the source or sources of the anger? I find it incredibly hard to support others who seem to be devastated by their anger. One reason for this is my helplessness and the other is fear, I guess, of that anger being turned towards me.
I know that many others struggle with their own anger or with other people's anger. Do you think you could do a video on anger? Or maybe there already exists one which I haven't found?
Love your videos Daniel! Your genuineness is always so refreshing to see.
thanks!
Ugh ! So true ! I was so proud of myself for not being outwardly abusing, after all I went through. I neglected to see how I was self harming, self donating to wretched situations, self destructing , etc. I was the secret enemy holding myself hostage ! ~ I made collage paintings about this experience. And I showed it to my therapist ; he had nothing to say.. well ., he was new to clinical therapy. He told me he used to be a banking advisor & now this was his second career. He also told me he was married with kids & decided to be in a gay relationship. ~ Is it correct for a therapist to be telling me his personal stuff ? I felt cheated. I was paying money to listen to his stories. ~ When he did “ listen “, all he did was take notes .. on his yellow pad ..
Merry Graphix- No that is not appropriate behavior or information sharing by a therapist. I hope you find a better one. Take care of yourself please- and finding safe and reliable people to share the most vulnerable parts of yourself with is in and of itself a journey after abuse... Be well, be safe and God bless.
Your title is accurate. It does NOT mean people who've been sexually abused sexually abuse other people. It simply means people who've had their feelings hurt other people's feelings. I watched this video earlier on my lunch break at work on my phone.
Yes, the abuse turns inwards and plays out as some form of self harm or self neglect. I believe that the abused may believe that that's how they deserve to be treated or they may feel worthless as a result of being made to feel worthless. I see it everywhere in varying degrees among many of us. If we don't have the inclination to punish others we punish ourselves.
Lazarus / yes , I lost a lot of good friends to self harm / self destruct ..💜
@@BarbaraMerryGeng I'm sorry to hear that. Sometimes I just wish that people could be nicer to each other.
Daniel, your videos are amazing. Thank you for such insightful conversations.
thanks!
I love all the videos you make, thank you for uploading these. I really appreciate that I can learn about these problems like this.
There are always exceptions to this. Generally, yes, very true...
referring back to your previous video.. everyone is traumatised some way or another.. it’s human nature to display unhealthy habits... relationship styles ways of thinking etc... lots of people do it. Either for their entire lives or portion... ultimately I believe that being abused in clear-cut ways (physically, sexually..) increases the chances of replicating pain in some form... especially in childhood years
Here’s to positive psychology and believing in healing... overcoming trauma
Exceptions also come from mostly upbringing + other life circumstances. Because there may be some good parts in their upbringing along wth bad ones. It's not simplistic or black and white. For example, therapists explore each client's unique story in therapy to figure out what their problems, pros and cons etc are. Just knowing that someone was traumatized and even the type of abuse they experienced is not enough to get the full picture. So we can't judge about people and compare them unless we know everything about them and we don't cause it's impossible. And if you think you do then that's very naive even if you're best friends since childhood with them.
I love your videos you explain complex and controversial issues very well, thank you.
In Dennis Palumbo's book "Writing from the Inside Out" he brings up another way this has worked out for creatives in particular. He offers a principle: Don't treat your talents the way you were treated. I think the world has lost untold artistic riches, beauty and genius to this dynamic of creative, talented, gifted children having their gifts aborted by abuse.
Thank you, just what I was seeking--a favorite phrase: "Hurt people hurt people". Lloyd deMause is the one to read on this. Stay free and safe.
Lloyd DeMause has some really good stuff, agreed.
Very true! Thanks!
This is a good one.
I swear by my hurt but change not ❤️
1:40 Spot freaking on
Thank you
I like that you make allt of new clips for us
thanks! and more to come...
Enjoying your videos, very insightful. What are your thoughts on TRE.. trauma releasing therapy. Can you please do a video on ways to physically release trauma?
Not sure if it was a danmack video but I'd seen and practiced breathing in and out without pause, breathing the same rhythm in and out for about twenty minutes. If you do that, you get into a real headspace
There is a meditation technique called Vipasana that reveals your traumas to you and gives you the opportunity to heal them. There are free schools around the world to teach this technique, founded by teacher named Goenka.
Thanks truth traveler 💗
Appreciate many of your videos. Might you be willing to consider the work of Boszormenyi-Nagy in his contextual family therapy model ... He speaks on destructive and constructive entitlement... I agree with those that are abused as children turning on themselves quite readily from my personal & professional experience in the field 28 years. Thanks again for you time, expertise and generosity.
Hey Daniel tnx for the vid, very enlightening. I want to ask you what do you think about narcissistic/sociopathic behavior. Isn’t probably a case of neglecting/violence of some sort by the parents in a person childhood? I hear a lot about genetic predisposition but that would make near to impossible one to do something about it
“An ear can break a human heart as quickly as a spear, we wish the ear had not a heart so dangerously near.” - Emily Dickinson
Hi....Danielle ..can you do a video on how to overcome severe depression?
"Hurt Family History
Hurt Name Meaning
English (chiefly Nottinghamshire): variant of Hart. German: topographic name from Middle High German hurt ‘hurdle’, ‘woven fence’. Dutch: nickname, presumably for a pugnacious or aggressive person, from Middle Dutch hort, hurt ‘strike’, ‘blow’, ‘attack’."
Hurt People Hurt People ?! There are a lot of hurt people out there it seems .................. sry for the pun, couldn't resist .
What I wanted to ask is what if hurt people don't hurt people in any way, does that even happen ? and why would that be ?
The title says it all.
Hurt people, hurt people! (New imperative from our host.)
ah!!
True
Anyone know of any good books/documentaries that talk about the cure/cause of Sociopathy/Anti-social personality disorder?
Hi Allen, I actually recorded a video on this subject some months ago, but haven't had the guts to put it up yet. I may soon. It's scary for me to put up most of my videos for one reason or another, but on a controversial subject like that, more so! That said, I don't know any good books or documentaries on the subject, though they're probably out there somewhere.... Daniel
@Allen The book “the sociopath next door” by Martha Stout. It’s really pedestrian friendly and clear.
@@dmackler58 I know its easier said when I am not the person putting myself out there- but this is important information. There is so much amateur diagnosis and vitriol and lack of understanding on the internet about personality disorders and psychopathy/sociopathy etc. when diagnostically (they) are in a small minority. There are clearly a lot of hurt people out here and anything that gets people to consider the point of view of another- especially those that are labelled " monsters" could be part of a paradigm shift towards genuine empathy through understanding. Different than tolerance of behavior that is blatantly harmful, but opportunities for us all to heal wounded elements of the Self. And not be so quick to judge first without doing the harder job of seeking to comprehend the 'how's' and 'why's'.
Anyway- hope this made sense, and I really appreciate your work.
Thank you.
@@happylindsay4475 I agree, it really sucks to see people using medical diagnostics to shame or de-humanise others. I won't assume that it's malicious but it's really counter-productive and unfortunate.
@@itafiatreviso7335 My sentiments exactly. Take care of yourself, thanks for your thoughtful response and be well :)
I think it’s lack of understanding: all people who are abused are abused by a former victim. Not all abused people abuse others. Does that make sense? Those are two different groups being defined.
Some hurt people hurt people other hurt people don't. Doesn't sound as nice though.
Sex work is important, I know sex workers who truly enjoy their jobs. But yes they all dealt with some sort of trauma. Let’s remember though that sex work is real work and an important role in society. They are healers of a sort. Just like a lot of people become social workers because of past trauma . Same deal. :) Sending love!
Isn’t that a bit of a sample bias? The fact that 100% of sex workers WHO GO TO THERAPY have some sort of prior trauma. What about sex workers who don’t feel the need to go to therapy? It doesn’t sound wrong, but I don’t know how you would know that. Otherwise, decent video.
Watch Tuca and Bertie.
Lots of traumatized people don't feel the need to go to therapy. Most of them. Also many prostituted women can't get away from prostitution, from their pimps and certainly most of them don't even have an opportunity to start therapy or even to think about it. Lots of them are trafficked and others do that because of poverty situation. But you keep telling yourself wishy-washy tales to justify it or maybe even to justify your direct use of them if you're a john.
Not my point at all. No doubt, the majority of sex workers are psychologically unhealthy; however, Daniel can only speak in authority regarding those who go to therapy. I agree with him, but it's still an argumentative fallacy to use one category of a group as proof over another category of that group. In terms of argument, it's exactly as valid as a cop saying "every black person I ever arrested was a criminal, therefore, all black people are criminals". It's probably true that all prostitutes have issues, but Daniel can only speak with certainty regarding those specifically who went to therapy. The specifics of what is known experience and what is mere speculation is important to clarify, lest anything be taken out of context to justify something for which it wasn't intended.
But prostitution is not a race. They're not some magic unicorns that differ from other women/people as a whole. They're just women/sometimes men of different races etc but in prostitution. It's a situation, not a quality of a person.
The whole situation they're in is abusive, violent and unhealthy. No one would end up there for good reasons. And if one does then they're also traumatized. But if you think some few ones that get lots of money and an opportunity to fully control their so-called ''work'' environment'' and what they do represent the majority of prostituted women then it's very naive. And to get to know their situation we also need them to go to therapy first. I would argue these few economically and socially privilegged ones with better circumstances also might have some childhood traumas.
Hey Daniel love your videos. Wanted to let you know that the word pr*stitute is a slur. The correct and respectful term is "sex worker" just fyi!
I was under the impression that prostitute was the nice way of saying it rather than saying hooker or whore.
Prostitution is not work, it's just rape, it doesn't matter if you think that's offensive, the people selling their own bodies for other people to have sex with are still being harmed
@Jim Bo @name Glad to hear there are some sane and opened-eyed people in the comments! If someone actually gets to know the daily reality these women are living and knows about trauma and is against it then how can they be any other way?
First major eye-opener was the book called ''The Natashas'' by Victor Malarek for me as a woman from Eastern Europe. It was even sort of ''traumatizing'' to read it in some way, but I won't say ''trigger warning'' because we just can't not to read it. We owe to be aware of these things. However it can be triggering for survivors of prostitution, trafficking and sexual abuse or just sexual abuse.
Hi Panni, thanks for your comment. And thanks everyone for commenting. Food for thought, especially since I have no intention to offend, especially unnecessarily. I’ve been thinking about it for a few days and have also had a chance to consult with a few different people who actually have done various forms of “sex work,” and mostly what I've come to is that the word "prostitute" could be used as a slur, but isn't necessarily a slur. Also, I have known several people over the years who did sex work and referred to themselves as prostitutes or as having been prostitutes and were not slurring themselves. I also know other people who have referred to themselves as sex workers but never engaged in actual sexual activity with clients, and thus would not have fit the meaning of what I was talking about in this video… All the best, Daniel
Why would anyone treat themselves badly, wantonly? Nobody treats themselves badly.
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@@johnnycochicken What?
Never met someone who harms themself?
@@TkerIsAPimp I have but he wouldn't do it so he enjoys it. That would be sadistic. He was so fed up with his life and that no one would listen to him and his reaction to his sister threatening to stab him was, "F*** you, i'll stab myself" and he stabbed himself with a fork. And that was one instance of physical harm to himself. But he didn't do it because he enjoyed it, and he doesn't mentally harm himself.
What are you talking about? It's extremely common for people to call themselves ugly, stupid etc. Then there's also self harm.