Will it start?...plus... new **GIVEAWAY** | MG TF Restoration
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This episode features the final few jobs before attempting to start the MG!.....does it go to plan?...well if you're a subscriber and been following the channel for a while, you'll probably be able to guess how it went! 🤣😅
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So glad I came across this series of well explained jobs on the Tf. I have a Tf, and although I get most work done by a specialist, i have always prefered to do stuff myself. I will definitely enjoy watching the whole series.
Hi, first time viewer. You have my sympathy especially after all the work you have done so far. It does look like timing, but I would compression test it as well. I've just looked back at your previous uploads and have this question why did you use that particular gasket?
The original lead caps are a hard black plastic , when I was replacing mine the caps broke into little pieces
and the new ones being a soft rubber I thought was a much better idea, and like you pointed out sat up proud
it worried me but after watching your TH-cam video I can now rest easy and won’t go back and hit them down with a hammer.
You may have sorted this by now, but I would be looking at the ECU coolant temperature on OBD scan tool, if the sensor is duff, then it will often tell the ECU that it is starting a hot engine when in fact it is cold. Hence why you were getting closer when the ambient temperature was higher.
I came here to suggest the same thing. Coolant sensor faults will prevent the car starting.
Coolant temp failing often results in a too low temp, causing the engine too run rich.which is still safer that having it run too lean.
@@ErikB750 It’s known issue, in 16 years my TF has only failed to start twice, one dead alternator and one faulty ECU coolant temperature sensor that was reading slightly higher than ambient but enough to confuse the ECU.
Oh the frustration! I've been looking at my 80th anniversary 160 sat in the garage thinking I need to get that back on the road. I'm Sure you've done this but, Cam shaft positioning sensor and crank sensor could do with checking as well as MAP sensor on the inlet. I know this sounds daft, but have you made sure the throttle is open when trying to start to rule out the idle control valve?
Good luck mate, been following for quite some time
Wrong size air filters, duff coil packs from a scrappy, the wrong type of coolant bottle... you really are all of us! Love these videos, Lee, and your new gaff looks great!
Great to see it so nearly ready hope it fires up soon
Enjoying the videos. Reckon you could be right with the crank shift sensor.
Just done the same jobs on my 97F it started first time but cant cure fast idle. Glad I held onto my RX8
Another really helpful video Lee, cheers! Had to laugh when you were showing us your air filter collection. We’re all cheering it on to start now, looking forward to the next video.
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Hello lee I would check the injectors as if ones not working it stops it from firing and check the timing is spot on and reset the bcu by locking and unlocking the car four times mate
I wish I hadn’t sold my TF, it’s the only car I miss....glad your giving this TF plenty of TLC.
Have you checked the fuel switch just under the nearside of the engine bay. Designed to cut the fuel off if car is involved in a accident. Worth a check. Good luck, my 160 is sat on drive awaiting some tlc to get back on road.
You're not far away now Lee as you've changed most things in line, sounds like a sensor issue. The fuel tank is an odd design where there's always about 2 litres or so sitting in the base section so you need quite a bit to get it started. Good luck and well done for working in all weather! 👍🇬🇧
a spark will ignite the fuel when timing is right, so fuel supply? Yup. Spark? Yup.Now its down to crank and cam sensors.giving the correct information. Remember the three thibgs needed for a flame. combustable material oxygen and heat. Get them at the same time and your sorted.
Might be a timing issue. Get a mirror so you can look at the timing marks from a better angle, and you'll likely see they're aimed slighlty too low instead of being level. I always have this issue when putting the timing belt on. I have to do it multiple times while twisting one of the cam pulleys backwards slightly to get the belt on the correct teeth. Then cranking the engine around once by hand, the timing lines will line up straight instead of being slightly off.
Was holding my breath waiting for her to start. My TF has been off the road since lockdown too. Sounds like a timing issue to me tbh. Track back through everything you did with cam belt etc. Good luck I’m sure you will get there if you have not already. You will love driving the TF. Best little mid engine car you can get for the money. All the best.
Thanks MG Lee, looking forward to your next video as my car is the same colour...
I feel your pain Lee. I would double check the timing. Its quite easy to remove the top cam belt cover to check that the cambelt gears are located correctly. I have just finished doing mine and fretted and farted around trying to get it right. Make certain the cam gear is located on the split dowel correctly as per manual and that the inlet and exhaust writing is also correct as per manual. Just done mine and forgotten already which way round they were🙄. Obviously the crankshaft pulley notch needs to be pointing at the plastic lower cover marker positioned at about 12 o'clock. If it is wrong then you will need to remove the two cam gears and cam belt, after removing the cam tensioner. I rejigged mine without removing the crank pulley and lower cover. Its a struggle to get everything set back up with the belt tensioned correctly, I turned the crankshaft pulley anti clockwise about one tooth so that on returning it to twelve 12 o'clock it put the tension on the belt. Its a fap but can be done. Hope that all makes sense. Getting the tensioner back on is a struggle and I used a piece of wood about 1/4 thick to lever between the alloy casting rib and the pulley wheel to enable getting the bolt back in. A few choice words uttered are a great help! You can of course be one complete revolution out but that becomes obvious as the camwheels are not aligned correctly, check them first and their position on the dowels. Of course it may not be timing at all in which case ignore all this🤔. Good luck.
Stumbled upon this as I love ‘amateur’ car projects (no disrespect meant by that!), great production and editing, subscribed!
Just one step away from 'top down in the sunshine'...keep going Lee!
Love your videos. I bought one about 3 weeks ago. It is not perfect but my god it brings a smile to my face
Been looking forward to an update for a while. With time, patience and plenty of plus gas you’ll get there in the end!
I feel your pain Lee, but at least you can put it away at night. Happy New Home!
Just picked up a TF :) 2003 1.6. I’ve been looking for a British classic, but the prices have gone through the roof, so this is my new toy :)
I picked up mg tf 1.8 135 2002 mk2 up in February from lady owner for scrap value as failed mot on ball joints so il be getting jobs done as soon as I get time off work
They are like litte go karts
You have reminded me that I really need to clean my MGF, at least I'm hopefully taking one step further in making it more practical, I am picking up a glass rear window tomorrow, maybe I'll be able to see behind me again!
I've been really enjoying the whole series, and the videos on fitting the cambelt really helped me to know what to expect when doing mine on the MGF! Keep up the good work Lee ☺️
Crank position sensor seems the best thing to try next
The car is looking great Lee, it tried a couple of times! I noticed the fuel ignite when you had the plug out, must be something simple, good luck for the next try. Glad you did the roof weather strip, mine is needs changing, you'll win in the end :)
Can't wait to see the next video! You are so close to the goal and I'm sure you are going to sort it beautifully.
Good luck Lee getting it started
They can test your patience!
Getting my TF on the road in May hopefully for some top down driving
Great videos
I can empathise - you are very patient with it.
So close Lee - you have spark, air (check throttle body working ok ?) and fuel (quality - try easy start to rule this out ?), so next key step is to do a compression test to eliminate this as a potential issue. Good luck !!
Keep up the great work! Sure you'll get it started soon. You have made me even more grateful at mine starting as before I changed the wheels it pretty much looks the same. Nice garage too - congratulations on moving
You are really good, congratulations, my mg tf is green English 👍🏻
Lean over the air filter and whisper that if it doesn`t start , then it`s of to the scrappy`s for it! Seriously, great videos, keep it up.
I am sharing your frustration not getting it started.. Fingers crossed it goes soon... It looks great sitting in the new drive & the front wings also look good 👍
Did you clean the fuel injectors? Also check the cam timing is correct as even being out by 1 tooth can make this happen. Like the video's!
I am enjoying your progress a small tip from my own experience if you replace the long cooling water pipes dont reuse the clips to join to the rubber hose replace them with jubilee clips.
Good luck getting the car started! Looking forward to the next video.
My bet is a timing, and not crank sensor as it's firing the spark plugs. Must've not put it back together quite right when you timed it.
A car for all seasons (working in the snow 🤣) had my fingers crossed with every crank. Good luck can’t wait for the next video.
Great Video work, really enjoying the series. You may want to double check the timing. Hopefully Starts soon. 🤞
Hope you manage to get it going. Will be satisfying once it does. 👍👍
New garage of yours at the new house looks awesome!!
Hi Lee, really enjoying your videos. I've just bought an MGTF 135 and really interesting seeing you tackle some similar issues! Keep making great content, thanks, Chris.
It seems to fire first off, which to my mind is a fuel issue. It's got residual fuel in the cylinders but then the injectors not supplying fuel. Check the injector cabling.
Hope you get it started soon. I’m in the process of getting my MG TF 160 back on the road.
Dont give up she will start eventually
Loving the videos, keeps me on track.
Never mind LoD, looking forward to the next episode of Will it Start
Those spark plug cables are Landrover ones. They'll work, but they'll just wiggle about. I got the same ones from Eurocarparts a few years back. Decided to change to the MGTF-sized ones as it was bugging my OCD lol.
Absolutley loving thos series, I restored a rat infested non starter mgf 1 year ago and love to see these cars back on the roads :) well done 👌👌
looks brilliant, hopefully you get it started soon 🤞🏻
What a disappointment for you Lee. I can imagine what you feel, I had the same story and finally it was the crankshaft sensor. Very curious for the next video. Good luck and don’t let us wait to long 😊
You may have made a mistake while installing the new timing belt.
When assembling the camshafts, the drive pin of the inlet camshaft must be at 4 o'clock and the exhaust camshaft at 8 o'clock.
Has happened to me before. Please check your old video of the assembly of the camshafts. Greetings from Germany!
Is the firing order OK ?
Did you do a compression test ?
I would think sensors are OK, as it would throw an error. Crankshaft position sensor is one that could prevent you from starting.
PS: that’s a lot of water in that coolant bottle.
Keep going Lee. So close at the end there!
I was just willing it to start for you haha
Seriously though being a new owner of a TF myself I really hope you get to enjoy it like I do!
My MGF sounds exactly the same when the purge valve gets blocked from very heavy rain and bump starting it works everytime since your's is an automatic I think try looking into yours maybe dust blocked it or grease or whatever
You can get rid of that fuel by mixing it back in with fresh fuel, a bit at a time.
Hi Lee, i had the exact problem when i tried to start my mg after i did the headgasket and everything else just as you did. The problem i had was with the timing (timing belt was fitted on wrong), so after i maked sured it was in the good position it started right up. So maybe you could check if its somthing with the timing?! Keep up the great work!
I left mine for 5 years, switched the battery and it started first time on 5 year old petrol... seemed ok, but apparently its more of an issue in hot countries.
Try crankshaft sensor, I had the same issue with my corsa, fingers crossed it’ll be running for the next one 🤞
Great video as always Lee. Keep going mate, TFs are worth the occasional headache, great cars👍
Great attempt. Fingers crossed it is just a tdc sensor
So near yet so far, hope you get it sorted
Top job enjoying the work your doing to this MG
Good luck with the starting lee
I'm not hearing the fuel pump buzzing as it brings the pressure up when the ignition is turned on - might be a video/ sound issue.
The beef I have is I think it was the second start attempt I am sure it was trying to start for a second. Then went to nothing.
After the move to the new place, it really did try to start. Given that, the fuel and ignition plus timing must be ok, meaning it can't be so far out to be a major issue so I'd say all that is Ok.
Oh, before the move, when using the Amazon Spark Tester, for sure we saw flames from the burning fuel mixture pushed out on the combustion stroke. That I think is a usable way to check fuel injectors if carefully done on the other cylinders.
My leaning is towards fuel. When left to stand, over time, she did try to start but did not run. Overtime fuel build up in the fuel rail ? But with a lack of pressure, once the initial squirt is over, there is nothing more.
Just occurred to me that in blowing into the fuel tank to siphon the fuel, you may have forced air into the fuel lines. Now I can't remember if that was before or after changing the filter, but with a new filter, that would have been filled with air when it went in and might need bleeding before it will work.I'd work to confirm the fuel system is all that it should be before turning to the sparks. The sparks are two completely independent systems, so one of them, or some of the spark plugs should work, and we did see sparks.
You deserve a beer for working in the snow. :)
Edit - in thinking about it, unplug the fuel return pipe from the injector common rail, turn on the ignition and this should pump fuel and bleed the rails. If the Siphoning did put air in the system it would have put it in this return rail, and new fuel filter will get primed up in this process. Let the pump run for a bit, not just a split second, but enough to do its job, ie a filters worth of fuel atleast.
As you've never run the car before, on mine when switching on the ignition I hear a buzzing sound that is the fuel pump bringing the fuel system up to pressure, I think its about 50psi. When there it stops. The injectors are just a valve, and when open, the fuel under pressure escapes the nozzle. At;east one of your injectors must have been working for the flames seen in the video. That spark plug must have been working to ignite that mixture. The crank sensor must be working for the ECU to know to trigger the spark at that cycle, and because the car did try to start, there must be compression and the timing must be right.
Lovely work again buddy. Keep it up!!
Hi I have a mgf,sc wedgwood blue x 2000, reg I am thinking of swapping for a large van. Plus cash. mgf head gasket done starts runs fine in Leicestershire
Wait for the problems to start with heat soak due to the open air filter
Check timing if not could be cam shaft sensor
Win win win win !!!!!!!🤞🏻🤙
Great video car is looking nice
When you're working with old rubber pour boiling water over it and it'll be quite pliable.
Have you checked that the fuel cut off safety switch hasn’t been activated.
I think it’s in the left side of the engine bay near the fuel pump. If your not hearing the fuel pump prime when you turn on the ignition then it may be this inertia switch that’s been triggered.
@@johngarden6916 I concur, but also check cam belt timing, make sure you have not jumped a tooth. Failing that the engine immobilizer, this lets the engine fire but not start or run
Nice big garage, space for a "spares car" ;)
Perhaps check crank sensor good luck mate
Ill do whatever it takes to win that clay! :D
You should do a video on removing the engine and subframe in one as there is very little on the web about it I can find
Hi this is what my German mechanic did so as to do the head gasket etc
WHAT CAN IT BEEE!?
What a amazing channel watched them all keep it up 👍
clean the crank sensor and the check compression's and timing
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Nice video Thanks.What does a new radiator cost?
How long did it take to fill the oil through the dip stick hole? 😂 Such a silly design. Takes so long lol.
Just lift the engine bay cover and go for the main filler so much more easy to fill
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I do that every time now. So much quicker!
The mgF air box is more restricted than the tf one, main reason they changed it
Haha fair play to you Lee, these cars are infuriating 😂
Great video , pity it didn't start but reckon a sensor issue. Ps do you have a link or part number for the seal you used on the roof , think mine is shot so will be a little project for me
Dude loving the work. What obd2 tool did you use?
Cheers Dan. I used a Bluetooth one by Casella (already had this as use it on my audi to service the breaks) but you can pick any obd2 Bluetooth module for less than a tenner.
I always tell mine it should have been in scrapyard and it should think its self lucky I saved it from doom if it doesn't play ball
My TF needs new hood seal as well. What Screwfix tape did you get and it looks like you left some of the protective tape on the seal?
Hi Ali, yes I left it on a peeled it off a bit later. Its still on so working well at the minute. Heres the link...www.screwfix.com/p/stormguard-extra-thick-weatherstrip-black-3-5m-2-pack/40425?tc=AT7&ds_kid=92700059835347618&ds_rl=1244072&gclid=Cj0KCQjw1PSDBhDbARIsAPeTqrcQA2DGnzQ-jTeExcwF8YpHSIs5Bsi2s260NgcriCJHUawCW0zmSFUaAt0cEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
@@wheatleysworkshop Thanks for the info. Doing first long trip with the TF 21/04/2021 so fingers crossed. Good luck with the ignition problem.
Is the exhaust Lambda sensor plugged in? Is the ECU and the alarm module original? They must to be a pair.
Fuelling looked okay but I'd be interested to know what state the injectors are in?
Hey Chris fix to fix it
Another great video mate 👍🏼
Frustrating but at least your TF is still kicking, I blew my MGF engine racing my mate as soon as I got it going, oh well MX5 time I guess 😂
Immobiliser / electrical ?
Put another engine in it ..
Thanks for the video Lee, hopefully you will get it started by the time I post this. Can you also enter my name in the draw thanks Neil