How long does stored woodgas stay as goodgas
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- Howdee, my fellow woodgas bugbite venom victims :) .
The treezel fumes have been parked in this bottle for a good 6 months, and I have been wondering if it wood still burn, when ignited.
Well, guess watt?
It does, and it burns just as well as it did when it was originally jammed into that little tank :) .
Kewl narnies.
There is a downside to this system though, as it can't really store many treez.
It seems that I could use a HUGE gas tank, or perhaps create an old style gasometer, to house all those extra fumes.
Perhaps that wood be my next project, once I have set up a bigger compressor, to fill 'er up :) .
So then, my fellow wattage cottagers, when R U gonna be building yours? :) . - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Man you are amazing i have learned so much from your channel thankyou so much and god bless you and your family cheers
Thanks kindly.
It seems to me that, when you are bitten by the woodgas bug, you can't help but come up with all sorts of crazy ideas, in order to get yer next woodgas fix ;) .
As always enjoy your videos, got me thinking, rather than wasting charcoal during periods of low demand by shaking grate to keep gasifier breathing and temperature up, one could run blower as well as engine, and collect gas in a vessel, which could then be used during periods of sudden high demand, a bit out there I know. I'm still way off actually producing gas, but am making progress, in light of current global situations, should've started this earlier. Look forward to your next video's. Cheers.
Thanks kindly, my fellow woodenwatter :) .
For sure, the spent charcoal that we extract from our wood gasifiers contains a fair lot of unused energy.
If collected, it can be gasified again, so the energy can be converted into cold beer - and happy batteries :) .
Been there. Done that. Got the beer stain on my tee shirt.
For a future gas storage solution, it wood be best to stay away from steel tanks, and go with ye olde fashioned gasometer.
That way, you don't have to worry about hydrogen embrittlement of the metal tanks.
Indeed, considering the current global situation, we could be in for hard times, yet again.
Naturally, it is ALWAYS the incompetence of others that becomes OUR emergency.
Fortunately, we have the skills that will allow us to flourish during those hard times :) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun can also turn it into biochar for the garden if need be.
@@probablynotdad6553
Yup. That wood work very nicely.
Not only that, but it wood make for a carbon negative situation, thereby keeping Al Gore happy :) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun ...and how about now?
@@KeithOlson
I am not sure I understand your question, but the gas in the bottle is still just as viable, as it was a year ago :) .
Good work sir! Thank you for answering a very important question for me.
You are welcome.
I had always wondered about this woodgas storage issue, until recently :) .
Channel Name to Content Differential Award. Thanks for the WoodGas Channel
Perhaps it should be renamed as: "WoodenWatting Is Fun" ;) .
awesome...keep up the good work!
Thanks kindly.
This is an addictive hobby to get into, but it does GREAT things for your power bill, while using up all the wood scraps :) .
Just use tractor tyre inner tubes they provide the elastic pressure to empty them as well just dig a big hole straight sided like a well and fill with tubes
Good thinking. They hold a lot of gas, and they are much safer to handle.
I will look into that :) .
frees it & it will condense in to a liquid. & Yes it douse condense when frozen. Les England .
I wood like to try that, one day.
How cold do you reckon it wood need to be?
@@CNCmachiningisfunnot possible at home, none of the gases liquify in wood gas unless it’s something crazy like cryo temps.
@@Deveak
Indeed.
I feared that this wood be the case.
A simpler system of gas storage is called for, it wood seem.
I am impressed that you can use a piston type compressor and not the Blatter type,
I would encourage you to change over to a Blatter compressor when going to higher psi
as the compression creates heat with fuel and oxygen. = Boom
did not catch the psi you are achieving and the length of burn time per tank ?
Doing this properly is always the best way to go, but I figured that I wood start with readily available parts, to see watt wood happen.
My main objective here was to see how long the gas wood remain viable in the tank.
Having seen other videos on this topic, I couldn't get a proper answer about this, so I tried it myself :) .
Oxygen inclusion is always a concern, which is why I run the engine for a while, before tapping into it's fuel supply.
That way, the major portion of the oxygen will be purged from the system.
Flashback arrestors are the next line of defense against any visits from Mr Explodey.
That stated, I am allergic to the blast radius of these bottles, so I don't take the pressure beyond 70PSI, even though this compressor can happily do 300PSI.
Runtime on this gas bottle is very short, as I am storing pressure, as opposed to liquid.
It wood last long enough to cook *one* meal in the kitchen, methinks.
Nice video, beside using a bigger tank. Do you think a higher pressure vessel would work? Like scuba tank. They can handle 3000psi safety if not more.
Thanks kindly.
Yup, I think it wood be possible to store the gas at a much higher pressure, as long as there is NO oxygen mixed with it, for safety reasons.
The biggest problem then becomes hydrogen embrittlement, where the hydrogen in the stored gas begins to attack the metal of the tank.
Other kinds of tanks could be used here, so maybe the problem ain't so bad, after all :) .
Hey Steeeeeeeve! :D Nice try, BUT I would never store it that inefficient way ;) A gasometer would be way more efficient because it would create the pressure to extract the last breeze of gas by itself and it would explode in only one predictable direction. --- atm I am busy with the ignition of my engine. Adapting the Hall sensor to get the ignition coil working is something totally new to me. The gasifier is totally ready and so I spent my last nights with getting the engine working. Everything is ready so far but the ignition just has to work, too. And it doesnt :/ - I hope you are allrighty so far. Good to see a life sign from you :D
Hehehe. Yup, an unwanted visit from MR Explodey wood not be a good thing!
Indeed, I am allergic to the blast radius of angry gas tanks, so yes, I do believe that I wood benefit from building a gasometer.
Something that uses a submerged 'diving bell', is the kind of thing I want to experiment with.
The gas wood displace water, and the water wood create gas pressure.
Should it explode, I might get soaked ;) .
Good old electronic ignition. It is excellent when it works, and kinda useless when it ain't working.
Are you designing your own ignition system, or is it an off the shelf device?
Here's hoping you can get some bright sparks out of it soonly :) .
Things here are plenty busy, and I am fixing to move onto my new farm pretty soon.
This new one has electricity, so that's gonna save me a fortune in totally free wood chunks ;) .
Looking forward to reading some good news from you, my fellow woodgas bug necknip victim.
@@CNCmachiningisfun Yeah good to read that. :) I hope you're going to have plenty of freedom in your new spot. -
The original ignition is kind of useless since it depends on a rectangluar signal from the engine control unit (which contains a circuit to prevent the motor from starting when several other sensors don't give a signal back) So I have to create an own ignition system.
I was able to read out and to interpret the signal from the Hall sensor on the camshaft. So I have a starting point to go further.
My next plan is to program an own ignition controller and to use this amplified signal to create a spark in a good old ignition coil at the right moment.
No rocket science but anyways strange enough for me, since I have to understand things which I never was interested in before :D
Now ignition curves and timings play a role on a point I always underestimated.
It would have been so simple If I would have bought an engine with ignition breaker :D but on the other hand the present engine would have slightly less parts which has to be maintained.
Every 2nd day I have start the gasser to keep the bug calm and friendly. And it is such a good feeling seeing the blue flame burning and the machine doing it's job without any problems. I'm on my way buddy ;)
@@ravelkoff3549
Yup. The new place is pretty flash, but it does lack a machine shop, so that's gonna be my first major building project.
Should be complete, in about $60,000 from now, methinks :) .
It is a pity that the existing sensors on the engine aren't right for the job, but it looks like you have got it all figured out.
Perhaps this is something you can work on, while Santa is delivering presents to all the good woodgas bugs ;) .
In time, your computer program might have the ability to learn how to create the right ignition timing curve, assuming you want to get super deep into machine intelligence, that is.
With mine, it is pretty simple, but I do plan on adding some smarts to it, so it can feel around in the dark, and try to determine the best timing gradient.
Sooooo many projects, soooo few spare tick-tocks!
@@ravelkoff3549 Hey there
Do you perhaps have videos of your system, or a TH-cam channel? I'd love to see yours too :)
@@Giepie Sorry Mate, I don't have the equipment to do so.
At the end I doubt baking able to handle the critics :D it is a FEMA system using the Drizzler method to avoid the nasty stuff building up.
Maybe some day...
as is the gas this would be a very noble experiment
Indeed. Trees are made of noble gases ;) .
glad to see you gain with gasoline here at 4:70$ a gallon we got the wood gas beetle out of storage and got it started today i posted a video do you think you will ever put a gasifier on the ute
Nice to read from you again :) .
Petrol, here in NZ, costs about $10,00 per US gallon, so I have chosen to drive backwards, and suck fuel back into the tank, instead.
I wish that wood work!
Good to see that your woodswagon is still up and running :) .
Since my ute cost me a good $50K, I don't reckon I will be putting a gasifier on her, just yet.
Watt I might do instead, is put a gasser on my Massey Fergusson tractor, so I can work the farm in a wonderfully woody way ;) .
Good stuff
Thanks kindly.
I am mighty pleased with how well this woodgas holds up over time :) .
thank you
You are welcome :) .
Im planning to build a large gasometer at some point. A bit safer I dont trust storing any gas with a high volume of H2 as embrittlement is an issue and if you make a booboo and get some Oxygen in there somehow it dont need an ignition source compression is enough to set it off.
Yes, that's a good point. Hydrogen embrittlement will announce itself in the loudest, and most devastating way possible, under the wrong conditions.
A gasometer seems to be the simplest scheme to work with, it wood seem.
Being able to store up a load of spare treezel gas, ready for use, at a moment's notice, is rather appealing, methinks :) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun Yup and this way if there is a failure. well then you made a pretty cool rocket!! lol.
@@Thrive-Off-Grid
Indeed. And at that very moment, Elon Musk would become seriously jealous ;) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun Here is an idea! What if we were to use the water weight to move the gas rather than filling a vessel? So instead of having a container inside a larger container you have two containers side by side. One is sealed for the gas and the other is open and is for water displacement. They are connected at the bottom. You fill the sealed container with gas and it pushed the water out to the other container. If you have three containers then you would a two to one displacement to utilize the full capacity of the gas cylinder vessel. The weight of the water would allow some compression of the gas to get a little more energy density pr charge. I have a propane refrigerator and an RV hot water heater I want to run with this set up.
@@CNCmachiningisfun If you were to put a 16 gallon barrel drum inside a 55 gallon drum; this would be perfect. 1 gallon of water is 8.34 lbs. So 16 X 2 = 32 gallons minus 55 gallons this leaves 23 gallons of water for displacement. 23 gallons X 8.34 is 191.32 lbs of gravity force. If the bottom of the 16 gallon drum is completely open and there is a big bang then it just shoots the water out.
Legend 👏
Thanks kindly.
The trees around here really are legendary little gasworkers ;) .
In the UK you can get large 1cupic meter liquid gas tanks (guessing you can get world wide but not sure)could you convert this to store gas and run your engine for let’s say a 24-48 hr period.
Then instead of needing a small gasifier running constant to power one home. You could have a large gasifier that runs once 4-8 hr period ever 2 days?
That is an interesting idea.
Being able to store a lot of woodgas, so I can run a generator, at a moment's notice, wood be a good thing :) .
This idea wood suit a large gasifier, as this is the most economical use of time and resources.
There are sooooo many ideas to try out, and sooooo few hours in a day to give them all a go.
I currently have a gas dryer and gas tankless water heater, could I use stored wood gas in my garage in your opinion with these appliances safely if I have a monoxide detector and proper exhaust fans for venting? Obviously I know there is other ways to use it to get hot water, I was just looking to make use of what I have currently. These prices are killer!
Woodgas can be used safely, it you take the precautions that you listed.
The only problem I have with it is that it doesn't behave quite the same way as LPG does, when you burn it.
You'll find that it won't burn properly, unless you block the air mixing system, and allow the mixing to take place at the appliance's flame ports.
@@CNCmachiningisfun I had researched that you could swap the LPG orifice for the natural gas orifice that came with it and achieve a good burn. Haven’t tried it yet though of course. Thanks for the info about the mixing.
@@P3MAN01
Experiments are definitely in order :) .
I have another video about this, showing how I compressed the gas, and how it burns.
Needless to say, I learned plenty, while working on this project :) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun appreciate you sir
I understand this is an old video, however is it possible to separate the gasses and pressurize each one separately? Maybe to the point of a liquid? Thank you for your umput good sir.
That is an interesting question, and I am sure that the answer is yes.
The exact method, however, escapes me, but I imagine that it could be done through chemistry, in the form of bubblers, and separate collection chambers.
This wood certainly increase the efficiency of the gas storage, in terms of energy per unit of volume, but it might cost more than it is worth.
Pressurising to the point of a liquid should also be possible, but that calls for some rather specialised equipment, and I fear that it may also involve more risks than I am willing to accept.
Ultimately, I want to store this gas in a large vessel that sits under water, just to keep it safe and simple :) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun I 100% understand not wanted to take the dangers involved, is there a more scientific paper/physics/pressures type of information you could point to? Even just a name? I'm going to call the local stem board at my town college to see if we have any volunteers many because I'm off grid. If I can separate out all the different compounds, I can used the separately for different purposes. Water heater, home heating cooling, even propane refrigerant, etc etc. I appreciate you time, thank !
@@DarenMiller-qj7bu
One scientific way that I have seen is the Fischer Tropsch method.
It was something I wanted to try, but I could never find enough time to really get into the finer points of it.
A search on it will reveal some interesting possibilities for you to consider :) .
Other processes surely exist, and they may be more efficient, but if you start here......
Please be sure to keep us updated on your progress.
Far out! Now I have something else to build!
There is never an end to the list of projects on a farm :) .
Ever check for pitting or any internal damage to the cylinder?
Not yet, but I wood not be surprised if some form of hydrogen embrittlement is taking place.
My plan is to use water pressure, and large plastic vessels, as a gas storage system.
Very interesting. Can it still run an engine? Mine is burned in the motor immediately in my truck
Howdee, my fellow woodgas addict :) .
Yup, I can run my engine on the tree-fumes that are stored in this bottle.
It works like a charm, and gives me instant power.
The only downside is that I can't store much gas in there, and the hydrogen in the gas may attack the metal shell of the gas bottle.
Ya know, I regularly check googleTube for woodgas related videos, and it never revealed your channel.
*Shame* on googleTube for that!
Now, I am off to see watt your woodgas addiction has made you do with your truck :) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun haha I'm pretty new to the woodgas game, only been driving on wood for three weeks now and just posting a few videos here and there about it!
@@BigBeavrSlayer
I wood like to think that lots of folks will find and enjoy your videos.
Indeed, I sure have :) .
In time, woodgas will surely make something of a comeback, as it is just far too amazing to simply fade away, like cellphones didn't :) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun much appreciated!
Nice to know. Is there a pressure point that the gas will go liquid?
Good question.
Because woodgas is a mixture of all sorts of other gases, I am not sure if they wood all become a liquid, under pressure.
It is worth looking into, though.
@@CNCmachiningisfun Might be a convenient way to distill the different gases individually.
@@jerryweaver2247
Yup. Maybe I can use some form of fractional distillation, like they do at fuel refineries.
I have to admit that I really don't know the science behind this, so I wood have to be doubly careful, as I am allergic to really BIG explosions ;) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun Probably using cryogenic tank + pressure has an effect on the gas/liquid activity. I did weld/fit cryogenic equipment for a couple of years. It’s not too difficult but everything costs double due to the dual walls on each piece of equipment.
@@jerryweaver2247
That is an interesting option.
Elevated pressure ought to make a worthwhile difference, with the right kind of storage tank.
I was considering going the other way, using a gasometer, or even a 'diving bell' to store the tree fumes, under gravitational pressure.
Safety is an issue here, and I get the feeling that the authorities might frown upon storing large quantities of flammable gas, without them having a say in it ;) .
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Use a carbon wrapped paintball air tank, can be compressed to 4500+ psi.
That's a good idea :) .
It gets around a number of problems, all in one go :) .
Better yet, use a proper carbon fiber tank that is meant to store gases with hydrogen in them. CNG (compressed natural gas) automotive tank, etc.
@@dansw0rkshop
Yes indeed. This makes sense, considering the hydrogen content of the gas.
In the not too distant future, I plan to build one of those old fashioned gasometers, perhaps using a water displacement scheme.
It may not be overly practical, but it will be super easy to build and maintain, even if one of my Horses comes along - and drinks all the water :) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun at how much psi can we store it and it will not become liquid
@@dinogenus3783
That little tank can hold about 200PSI, without too much fuss.
I don't know about turning the gas into liquid though, as I think it will take more energy than it is really worth.
Can you put a dessicant in your tank or something to soak up any excess moisture?
That's a good question, as I am sure that some moisture is coming through with the gas.
I don't know about putting a desiccant in the tank, but perhaps I could put one in a receiver - just before the tank, to dry out the gas stream.
@@CNCmachiningisfun That might work. I say this because getting water vapor in a tank can be extremely dangerous. Compressed air bottles that get water in them will rust from the inside and violently explode. Woodgas is less compressible so it might not explode but it still leak if the water corroded it.
@@bilbo_gamers6417
Hmmm, an exploding compressed gas tank is certainly a major threat.
Having seen some videos of air compressors exploding, the danger is all the more apparent.
One idea that comes to mind is to have the tank upside down, while filling, so that any water may drain from it.
Perhaps it could be kept this way at all times, so it will discharge any accumulated water - along with the gas, during use.
While filling, I have been bubbling the gas through diesel, in an attempt to lubricate the compressor.
I wonder if this helps to protect the tank, or maybe it adds to the risk - based on how diesel engines work?
I really don't know!
If you hear a loud bang, in the near future..........
@@CNCmachiningisfun Well seeing as woodgas is mostly incompressible, it doesn't seem too dangerous on first glance. I am NOT a high pressure guy though at all. I am a total hobbyist. But I'll tell you that your drainage technique probably wouldn't work, because the water remaining in the gas would just be vapor by the time it was cool enough to be compressed. The point is that the gas itself has water vapor dissolved in it, not that there are necessarily droplets of liquid water. As the gas doesn't compress, the water vapor also wouldn't have an opportunity to liquify under high pressure. The dessicant in this case would probably be a good idea to just keep it dry for long term storage. Something that people do is run the cool clean gas through wood particles or some other dry material and then basically put it through an air filter (like off a car) to get rid of any dust. That would probably be satisfactory but some kind of drying agent would just be nice insurance. The main problem here is really a gas leak if you have pinholes in welds or something due to corrosion. Especially because woodgas is so poisonous, this could be pretty dangerous. If you want any other advice please talk to people who have real experience with air compressors and stuff. The real danger here is always going to be the poisoning risk and fire hazard, and less so the explosion risk.
By the way, this gas is produced through pyrolysis, right? It isn't a downdraft? Because downdraft gasifiers produce a gas that contains oxygen, and THAT would certainly have the potential for a violent explosion.
Jeez, I'm talking like the guys on gun forums going on and on about safety... I think it's cool what you're doing lol. Just don't want you to get hurt. You clearly know your stuff but even the professionals get hurt occasionally.
@@bilbo_gamers6417
I am 100% with you on the need for safety, as even a small volume of woodgas and air can produce a powerful explosion, as I found out, the hard, loud - and painful way!
In my gasser, I have watt I call "emergency purge valves", which I use as a means of diluting a mix that is about to explode.
Sometimes, this can happen inside one of the blowers, turning it into something of a grenade!
For the storage solution, I think that I wood move away from the use of steel tanks, and go for something along the lines of a diving bell.
This wood be submerged in water, and the gas wood be pumped into it, until it begins to bubble out from beneath.
Being placed outside, far from buildings and people, any gas leaks wood dissipate harmlessly, and any blasts wood be sufficiently distant, as to pose only minimal risk - - I hope!
Doing it this way renders the system insensitive to water ingress, while also serving as a pressure vessel, and also a kind of fuel gauge :) .
My gasifier follows the Imbert design, mostly.
Some small amount of oxygen can't help but sneak into the gas stream, so a lot of care needs to be taken when storing the gas.
I like to use woodgas to flush out as much air as possible from all of the plumbing, before committing to the storage process.
While not perfect, this method has been quite effective, thus far.
That stated, I also like to add at least 1 flashback arrestor to the outgoing stream, when I am burning the stored gas.
After all, the last thing we want is an unexpected visit from Mr Explodee!
Your accent is somewhere between Aussie and Appalachia
Oops, sorry about that. I haven't had the operation yet.
Should come right, once I get the stitches out ;) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun lol which ones right?
I want to figure out a crude means to separate the CO gas from the volatile gas because CO will turn back into oxygen and carbon after a short time so storing volatile gas with oxygen is like a bomb.
It wood be useful to separate the gases from each other, as that could make for safer and more efficient storage.
Right now, I have no idea of how to do that.
We need a crew of scientists on the job :) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun I was watching another guy and he suggested water and bleach removes the oxygen.
He had another filter to remove the hydrochloric acid. But his system was a right mess so I had a hard time following what he was doing. Not to mention I am work trying to absorb this at the same time. In the end, he put 160 PSI of cleaned mixed gas into a 90 lbs (45 kilo) tank.
@@myname604
That sounds mighty interesting, and it is a pity that I was terrible at chemistry in college.
You have made it clear that this is possible, so I guess it comes down to researching it, and conducting a series of experiments, in a blast proof room :) .
You have just opened a whole new world. You are to woodgas 🏝what Elon Musk is to rockets 🚀
Hehehe.
What Elon doesn't know, is that I have been 'borrowing' his rocket parts, to make gasifier parts ;) .
It sure wood be good, if I could store enough gas for a moon mission.
In no time, I could reach tree-mendous heights :) .
Hi there.
Wouldn't the hydrogen leak out in a timely manner and leave you mainly with CO as combustible gas in the mix reducing the energy content? This stuff gets trough the tiniest cracks.
Are you willing to get you hands on a gas chromatograph? 😬
I guess short therm is no big deal though.
Have a good one!!!
That's a good point.
This, along with hydrogen embrittlement of metals, suggests that it is not a good idea to use these tanks to hold this gas.
Regardless of the tank used, hydrogen will try to escape, and return to its family, so I guess that I will have to accept that there is a limit to the storage time of tree fumes.
Oh well, we can't win them all, I suppose :) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun True, and you don't have to. Seems the gasser has served you well so far without a possible bomb in the shed. Stay safe! Looking forward to new content from you. Thank you so much for the informative and entertaining content!! ✌️
@@fabiandoubleyou4874
Yup. Keeping a bomb in the shed is probably not the best idea.
Indeed, I am allergic to the blast radius of MR Explodey's temper tantrums!
All sorts of experiments are planned for this, along with a new gas management computer, so there will be plenty more to see, in the not too distant future :) .
Seeing as how natural gas contains hydrogen and can't be stored in a liquid state and is at much higher pressures couldn't you use CNG bottles? By no means am I an expert on any of this.
@@jakeburkett8529 No no, the solution is to make a stable liquid. Use catalysts to convert the CO and H into C3OH a.k.a Methanol, which is a liquid at room temp. and one of the best fuels in the world. So long as you don't drink it, it's also pretty safe.
The issue is what it's doing to the inside of the cylinder. Rusting it viciously ..
It seems to be OK, as the gas has been parked in that cylinder for 2 years, without any problems :) .
@@CNCmachiningisfun hmm I'm working on designing a small woodgas creating and deliberately burning secondary combustion stove that would require cleaning less often
@@agoogleaccount2861
I look forward to seeing watt you come up with :) .
Just be sure to design it, so it will be easy to dismantle, for maintenance and upgrades.
@@CNCmachiningisfun well I'm at something like a ice fishing shack wood stove with stainless tubes running through it in rows in front of the flue above the burn chamber dispersing oxygen for secondary burning and taps to adjust flow . I'm still having trouble with it's behavior a bit .
@@agoogleaccount2861
This sounds like an interesting project :).
In time, you might like to experiment with water / steam injection, as this can boost the flame energy, quite a lot.
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old fashioned measurements!!!
THE KINGS INCH RULES!
thanks for the laugh
Yes. Those young whippersnappers, with their modern inchy pounds, and ouncy hooves.
I'm too old to learn that new stuff, so I have stick with ye olde schoole stuffe, known as metric ;) .
Totally ignorant question… what temps/pressures would yield a liquid?
That's a good question, but I must admit that I don't really know just watt is needed for this.
You'd have to put in a lot more energy than the liquid would hold.
Storing wood gas can be dangerous, in the production of the gas there is a lot of Hydrogen produced and if your compressor happens to pump Oxygen into the cylinder...then you my dear friend have got yourself a Hydrogen bomb waiting to do some serious damage.
i still want to ride the donkey lol
These racing Donkeys are waaayyyy too fast for us mere mortals ;) .
Its Mostly Hydrogen, It'll last indefinitely
You might be right, as this stored gas is still burning nicely :) .
I wood love to get some sciency stuff involved here, so I can list the elements that make up this gas, and see how they change - during prolonged storage.
In the end it's too dangerous storing woodgas because you are technically storing hydrogen gas and if there is any oxygen whatsoever that gets in the tank possibly from a change in the woodgas quality during production you have for all practical purposes made a homemade hydrogen bomb in your backyard. You pointed out the main downfall that unlike propane which is in a liquid form and evaporates off as a gas when it's uncorked you are storing pressure which means your volume is very limited. There's something else to consider. The tank is steel and prone to rusting internally and woodgas has a tendency to have moisture in it which will condense in the bottom of the tank and possibly over time it could cause the tank to breach. The woodgas can be processed into something that can be stored in much higher volumes but it's an involved process with a lot involved in it. That's the good thing about gasifiers because they are a gas on demand system and that makes them pretty safe and not to shabby on efficiency considering we are literally making homemade fuel in our backyards.
Indeed. Storing *any* fuel can be dangerous, so a LOT of care has to be taken at all stages of the process.
Moving away from metal tanks wood be the first step, as a submerged gasometer is surely a safer option.
That, along with plenty of flashback arrestors, wood surely help to keep MR Explodey away from our wattage cottages :) .
Converting the gas into a liquid fuel wood be the ultimate answer, but, as you have mentioned, it is an overly complex process that is really not practical for home builders like ourselves.
That stated, we do like a challenge, now and then, so it is only natural that we seek to experiment with our addictions :) .
My interest with storing the gas comes back to being able to start the engine, without the need to start up the gasifier.
This could be a lifesaver, in the event of no battery power, when trying to get the system up and running.
On my new farm, which has a sizeable orchard, I am fixing to set up a tractor that will run on treezel.
Watt wood be better 'n that? :) .
I'd say fuel-air bomb rather than hydrogen bomb.
Hydrogen bombs are a bit more dramatic in scale...
@@kieranh2005 The question would be which bomb would be safer for the patio chair scientist to be sitting next to? A: The hydrogen fuel-air bomb? B: The hydrogen bomb? I think it's safe to say that at a distance of a few feet the outcome would probably be the same should either decide to detonate. Lol...
@@flash001USA there is... the slightest modicum of truth to this.