Imbert Gasifier Test 04-18-2013
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- This Gasifier project is just about completed and I am seeing
some great results. I still need to work out some bugs but I
see the light at the end of the tunnel. The next time you see
this Gasifier I hope to have it up and functioning and ready for
a test run with a generator! I hope everybody enjoys these
videos and finds the info useful. Thanks, Flash001USA. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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lots of useful, thorough details, thank you.
Thanks, I'll be looking forward to your test videos too.
You are correct. When I first built my FEMA, I got these giant flares but they were always milky yellow or yellow/orange and the whole system had this gooey tar in it whether it was in the bottom of the gasifier or in the pipes and the filters. I have improved this setup by leaps and bounds since this video but I figured out pretty quickly that I was producing cleaner (maybe not perfect) but definitely cleaner/hotter gas at this stage of the learning curve.
Super Video,
Best regards from Germany 👍👍👍
Flash, thanks for sharing your projects, detailed info, and processes. I have been working on a Imbert type gasifier for electric generation and to heat my house. I plan to post videos as well but have to learn how, been a carpenter for 34 years, old dog new tricks!! Again, thank you Sir.
Hey thanks for the reply and yes, I can relate to the old dog new tricks thing. Good luck and we'll be looking forward to a video from you in the near future.
Ok got 6 videos loaded up on wood gasifier let me know what you think if you get time I'm still working on the gasifier and the video creation, gasifier is easier I think!!
You said something I agree with and that is we will learn together. As soon as I fired it up I knew that I wasn't in Kansas anymore! If I didn't know better I would swear that the gas has a lot more "punch" to it now. Two things before I forget. I watched your video with the propane torch explanation and you mentioned seeing that somewhere else. That was me that did that trick in a past video. I also gave your channel along with Tecknowfreak a plug in the ending part of the video too.
I have enjoyed you video's.. I have took most of your ideas. And build a "flashifier"..
Tryed to fire it 2 times not much luck..
Still long ways to go and lot to learn.. but thanks for your time and knowledge..
Yeah both you and Dan were right on about the heat with the Imbert. I figured that out on the first test and in the winter months it wouldn't be an issue but during the hot months it has to be cooled just a tad bit more.
Bro u'v changed my opinion and life totally positively, tanx see and appreciate u better all soon
You have much good information. I will build this.
thank you from KY, i am getting ready to build something, and looks like the best, so i'll watch the 4 parter tomorrow. david
David this is an older video. This build has came a long way since this video. Please go to the channel and look through the older videos where you will find the complete build along with how to videos.
Fantastic Job my friend!
Great looking system bro two thumbs up from me. building something like yours myself keep up the good work
Thanks for the info keep up the good work
When I was breaking up small sticks for my FEMA I noticed that I was getting these fast lighting great burns so the smaller wood is the ticket. If you are running a truck where you are doing a large hot burn in the gasifier then larger fuel is the way to go. It all comes down to surface area on the wood fuel but at the same time you don't want the fuel to be too small either.
Super Video,
Best regards from Belgium.
Cheers m8.
I see it this way, you did more than a lot of other people have done because you actually sat down and built one. This gives you an edge on your next one.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge on this subject, the only thing that I’m wondering about is on the blower how many CFM would you recommend. Is it bad to have too much or not enough?
And if you’re running a motor what happens if your making more gas than the engine will burn?
Thanks Dale. I'm just an old hippie and my hair has been long since the mid 70's so I don't think I'll be cutting it anytime soon.
I have been watching your videos...you do awesome work. Thanks for sharing! I would like to build an imbert gasifier and utilize a water coil to cool the gas. I want to be able to pipe the heated water to a storage tank in order to heat baseboard in my home. Do you think this is feasible? Is the gas coming out of the hopper hot enough? What are the temps you are getting out of your hopper?
So my figures are right with having the 2 100lb lp tanks to cool the gas down i took what i had b4 for how long the temp took to cool down and guessed as to how much gas was being held in the setup then figured out about how much would or should be in each tank! Thats how i got the idea for 2 100lb lp tanks b4 going into the flashfilters made of pvc pipe! Can't wait to see yr test and temps after you add the second tank! Great work great vid keep up the hard work looking good!
Nice, Thanks for sharing
very nice video and build ! perhaps in a few weeks i can begin with some tests for my own gasifier ;D
Hey thanks for the reply. I was telling docdcox that I thought that this flare had a much hotter burn than the FEMA did. I will still add some simple filtering to the gas before I use it but I don't think that I will need the big filters I designed for the FEMA that I was running. I am actually working on an electrostatic filter and if it works it will not place any resistance on filtering the gas. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
there is a sweet spot in the burn area in the respect of air flow. to much air = low gas, not enough air = tar. you seem to have hit the right combo for the flow of gas. idea for you; after the burn slow the gas movement down by bigger pipes = better cooling more water, tar, ash drop out and better cooling (it has more time to lose its heat to the pipe or tank walls) it only needs hi velocity at the point of combustion. nice job.
Thanks for the feedback... This build has went light years since this video. If you get a chance you may find the later and final build interesting.
Hey Flash great job on the new build .I read the haircut comment,don't do it! I haven't had a haircut this century and the ladies seem to like it well enough.Plus I've got a brother 2 years younger than me who's been bald as an egg since 1980 and I've still got a full head of hair,torques Him something fierce(sibling rivalry big time).Once again great video and good info!
Thanx flash good vid
Like you, I have tried to watch everybody's gasifier videos for ideas to use. As soon as you said that I knew that it was probably me that you saw do that. I did have some off camera fun with the gas where I filled a trash bag with it and made a newspaper fuse then I ran like hell. It made a big foop along with a big giant fireball so yeah, this stuff really burns.
This gasifier is a mixture between a stratified downdraft gasifier and a Imbert gasifier so instead of a fire tube I have a cone shaped burn zone. It is 6 inches at the top and it tapers down to 3 inches at the reduction zone. It is 5 inches deep but there is an extra 3 inches straight extension at the bottom and at the top of the cone there is a 2 inch straight ring leading into the cone. The actual depth of the fire tube (cone) is 9 inches deep. I will be doing a detailed video on this soon.
That's my intentions so yeah, I'll make sure that when I do make a new video to include some basic drawings so that people interested can take the build and run with it.
yes i need basic drawing
Clean job
Good job flash. Looking forward to seeing your progress. Your system makes mine look like a pile of junk(which actually it is).
Awesome video
That I believe sir! I can kind of say that since I have actually worked with both designs and seen it for myself.
Awesome info, thanks man!
Thanks for the feedback. This is a old video when I was still learning this process. Be sure to check out the later videos.
@@flash001USA I saw your automation videos as well. All good content thanks again. Liked and subscribed
How can u compress the gas to use later. Great video. Thanks
As others have said great work 👍👍👍👍
Thanks! This has came a long long way since this video. Check out the later build. The videos are sprinkled throughout the channel.
Flash is there a way to miniaturized this? i need something that wont kill the bed of my truck but still have the punch to power small generator to top off batteries for rv when sun and wind isnt 100%. also all the ones that ive seen being built are for pellets how hard would it be to build a compact one that runs off logs for wood stove or even just brush? I live in the woods so I have access to all the free brush i can get just gotta use elbow grease cutting them into chunks. just seems in a long term shtf scenario pellets are goin to be a hard thing to come by unless you have a mill for them and access to alot of water you can waste which seems unlikely. thanks for any help
do you have to have the air pump running for this to work?
or does it create its own pressure.
Regards
I am in the process of collecting all my parts needed to build my own,
Gasifier now thanks to people like yourself that have been sharing info on "How To" Build a nice system!!
You Got my sub bud!!
Thanks 4 Sharing!!
good work flash. I really appreciate your efforts. Are you making the design available or can you point me in the direction of the design.I'm looking to do a build of the imbert system.
I got to ask you a question. What kind of wood are you burning and what are the sizes of your pieces of wood? I had a problem where my unit would quit making good gas and I came to the conclusion that I need smaller pieces of wood like you might get with a wood chipper so in other words, stuff from 1 inch down to 1/2 inch. I was producing so much gas and heat that the gasifier was vibrating and backfiring. I will be picking me up a small wood chipper in the next few days.
I.m trying useing wood pellet to start.
It starts up pretty good at the start.. but not burning hot enough.. I did get a flare for 1 or 2 mins. Lastnight .. I think I need more cfm fan ..
Have a blower for wood boiler.
This is incredible! I would love to see the plans for this. Thank you btw for the video. More to come?
I did a lot of tinkering with this project and I did release a 4 part "How to" video so if you go to my channel you will be able to see how I built this along with a generator running on it too.
Fantastic job.
And some people do talk to much. But that wasn't about you. I do enjoy your videos and trying to make one for myself. Thanks a lot.
Thanks for the reply. This project has been a learn as you go build and I'm still experimenting with it to see if the build can be refined.
flash001USA I am serious about mass production. Think about it. As soon as you are sure you have an equipment that is ready for the market let me know. I have a metal works workshop and a ready market in Philippines. A friend of mine has a coconut farm and huge amount of coconut husk that can be used. Just let me know when you are ready and we should work out a way to cooperate.
I may sit down and do just that. I really wanted to make sure that the build was stable before releasing it. It works and I get a good clean burn but I am working out a few bugs with capturing water from the gas along with the proper fuel size to get a long running stable burn so stay tuned. I was going to work on the unit this weekend but as I sit here I am listening to the second straight day of nonstop rain pounding on the roof.
ОК! Уважаю таких мастеров , молодец!!!!!!!
j johns I plan on releasing a build soon that will simplify things. I've learned a lot doing this and I plan on sharing what I learned. I ran the generator last night for 3.5 hours with great results. I'm editing the video for uploading it now.
I feel that I'm in the right direction now and this does crack the tar but it runs a hell of a lot hotter too so I still have some modifications but at least I can see the light at the end of the tunnel with this project.
hi. have any of you guys thought of running a heat exchanger along side the burn? Try to use as much of the energy as possible..might as well have free heating and hot water too. Thanks for the video..Steve ;)
The fuel size really plays into the gasifier working correctly.
Will have to look into making a video, I have a camera , just never used the video on it. Was not aware of being too hot wont allow ignition. There needs to be some place to go other than fellow "Gasers" to get specs and info. That Fema paper is very lacking. Thanks Flash for your great input. What state are you in? I'm in Michigan,...not many guys into this up here.
soreronicam The hopper itself is technically air tight. The silver pipe is feeding air to the nozzle at the bottom of the wood hopper where the ember bed is. This only allows the air to feed directly into the reaction zone. The problem with the open top gasifiers or the FEMA's is the fire can needlessly crawl up and consume or waste the fuel above the ember bed if there is free oxygen mixed all through the "open top" wood hopper. A sealed hopper stops this dead in it's tracks.
Have built an "Imbert" and as yet not added a cooler or filter system. I get good discharge of smoke but it will not light off ....no matter what I do. Do I ned to filter and cool the gas before it will ignite ?
Honestly, your one of the few people that can be called the einstein of wood gasifiers.
I was dangerous as a kid too. I was the kind of kid that stuck metal objects into wall sockets but that's another story for another time.
@@flash001USA kk. Can't wait. Lol
BTW, once you perfect it I would like to talk about industrial production of it. This will work very well for the 3rd world and I am sure there is a good market for it.
Keep in mind that unlike propane, wood gas cannot be compressed down to a liquid where a small container can hold a lot of fuel. That's the problem plus you have to use special high pressure equipment that can properly compress and clean the gas. Propane along with butane can be compressed down to a liquid state but the wood gas is a different story so what you wind up with is a tank under pressure but not a long run time. I will check out the link. Thanks.
Flash do you have a website with drawings on it? I am interested in building one of these and was interested in more information. Thanks.
Wil
This is a good idea for the melting furnace that would replace propane. Romania does not recycle. Our country is full of beer cans all over. 1 $ per killo of pure aluminum. With this, it's worth it !
What pipe you use ? PVC or Stainless
Does the diameter of the burn chamber matter significantly?
Have you thought about trying a stratified downdraft gasifier?
Great vid. look forward to breakdown of imbert, keep up great work and time that you have put into this so far!! 1 question what do you think your run time will be with the way you have it designed. thanks
I made a small saucepan of charcoal for some black powder I was making, a few small Willie sticks produced gas for about 3-4 hours. It was not enough volume to run anything but, it takes a while to reduce all the gas from even a small stick. His would probably produce gas for a very long time.
It has been a long time since I watched your videos. I had been working too much between now and then to work on one of my own and I'm on my second PC since then so it took me a while to find you again. Are you still around? Hope you are doing GREAT as your videos on building a gasifier were the best I've seen. I probably said that in a reply years ago but... Anyway I know I will go to your homepage but wanted to reach out to you to say Hello and wish you well.
Alive and kicking.. I don't know which videos you have seen but the gasifier has been completed and is set up and now officially for the Biden years.
There's no clear information out there. I looked everywhere and everybody is wanting to sell you plans. This is why I am releasing these videos. My build isn't perfect but it does work and it's in the right direction. Going back to gas being too hot, yeah if it's too hot it loses octane and it will flame but barely. Here's an idea. Start up with pure biochar and once it's going then add the fuel on top of it. Do that and see what happens.
Flash What size of your pipe ? what your use to joint pipe?
I'd be willing to pay for a build sheet on your most recent design of this. looks like you've done a lot of the leg work that a lot of people could reallyuse.
If you reach out to me through the contact host link at www.miniwoodgas.com I'll be more than glad to send you the complete modern build of this. You need to go check out the more recent videos on the channel and you realize this is came a long way since this video.
Almost forgot, It won't cost you a dime.
I am slowly collecting the parts to build my own gasifier it is not easy being on very little social security I got the 55 removable lid barrel some pipe I am going to work it trying to get some old propane tanks I have got two old 5 gallons I can use that all so fare. My big generator went out so I can't power my welder that slows me down oh well I'll get repaired or get another one I like your video but I think I need more help to get mine built thank you and keep going at it.
Carri feel free to pick my brain. I will try to help you if you have any questions.
Ray if the gas is too hot it will not light. You may want to make a video and upload it so that I and others can possibly give you some feedback on how to get it up and running.
OK You got me interested I'm an old geezer and it takes a while to get my coconut pried open to accept all this info. I have a lot of stuf I can use to build 1 of these things. Question how long will it run on a fillup of wood? Does it work better if the wood is dry? I heat my home with hot water and I wood "lol" use it for that purpose. I have a big burner wrapped with copper lines and it works pretty well but if I can capture all the gas it wood be a lot better .I'm guessing that I have a lot of wasted gas going up the chimney. I also mite want to run a 10KW three phase Onan power plant off it too. You seem to be the only guy that started out on a pickup tailgate and finished with a working unit. A pretty good acomplishment I wood say Kudo's to you for sharing. I hope to use your knowledge to build one. I have built quite a bit of stuff in my day and like that kind of action. PS I guess someone joked about you long hair, The only thing I have to say about it I wish I had some!! my neighbour has long hair like that but he don't build gasifirers he just smokes dope. You're my kinda guy start out with nothing wind up with something and share it with everybody. You have my respect.
OK George I'm laughing my A$$ off at the long hair dope smokin remark. I just look like a dope smoker. I was one when I was a younger lad but that has been many many moons (decades) ago. As to the gasifier, people will naturally assume that there is a roaring hot fire inside of the gasifier like a wood stove but that's not the case so you won't be heating a house with it. Unlike a fire in a fire place a wood gasifier is sort of like a controlled smoldering hot charcoal bed where there isn't any flames but instead a bed of coals that are kept going with a controlled air flow that produces the wood gas as it smolders producing biochar or charcoal as it runs.You asked about the run-time. I get about 1 hour runtime on 5.5 lbs of wood for 1000 watts of useful power from my 2 KW generator and my hopper holds enough raw wood to run for about 3 or 4 hours. If I run wood pellets the time will go up to about 8 to 10 hours of runtime. You asked about the wood water content. The wood really needs to be dry. If it's too wet you produce too much steam in the system thus tar levels go up to unacceptable levels along with the overall system temperature. The best thing to do is read as much on the basic theory of how gasifiers work online. Check out Allpowerlabs youtube channel too. Do not wast your time building a FEMA gasifier. Good luck
There is a water filter called a venturi scrubber that people use on gasifiers. If you try to do a water pipe setup the back pressure will be too great on the engine especially on a smaller engine. Have you seen my last video with the generator up and running yet?
Hi flash I would like to know if this system can be connected to a gas burner to be used for cooking thanks for the superb job
chris mumo Yeah you can cook with this gas but the best way to use it is to store it in a few tractor inner tubes then place a sheet of plywood on top of the inner tubes with weight on it to pressurize the gas so you can use it. I would not advise compressing it into tanks because that's dangerous.
Mobile/Trailer home + Gasifier = Free Living!!!!
lol
I will do my research and find out if it is truly possible to not depend on the Grid and the Government to live.
Thanks for the info. Sub & Liked
This blower runs on 110 Volt AC but I am getting ready to change it over to 12 Volt DC.
Then here is a great time to sit down and compile your notes and put a book or pamphlet to gether I made my imbert to knock down easy and right now have it tore down. Was checking specks and cleaning ports. As soon as I get her back together will try the pure biochar. Ha
Could there be a way to reclaim the heat with a water cooling system, and use the steam byproduct to do work, like using it to run a steam turbine generator to keep the fan going?
You could harvest the heat from the output pipe with an exchanger. Once the gasifier is warmed up the dampness in the air will self-lower but it doesn't completely go away. As to using the hot air with steam, the pressure is too low to use for work. This build has came light years since this video and you may want to go into the channel and check out some of the later videos on this build if this interest you.
The nozzle is about 1-1/2 or 2 inches above the ember chamber. My ember chamber is 6 inches in diameter at the top and it is 6 inches deep then it cones or reduces down to 3 inches at the bottom but the actual reduction
zone is only 2 inches in diameter. I can actually unbolt the bottom of the inverted ash bell and change the reduction zone just by removing the stainless steel plate with the reduction hole in it so I can go as big as 3 inches or even down to 1-1/2 inches for a tiny engine.
Is it done in batches or can it be continuous?
What is the biggest and the smallest size wood chunks that can be used in your gasifier? Can course sawdust from a chainsaw be used?
Chunks anywhere from 1/2 up to 1 inch in diameter but you are better with a mixture of odd sizes that fall within those measurements. Sawdust will cause bad flashbacks so do yourself a favor and avoid using it.
Thanks for sorting out the tar issue. I understand it now. I just got a welder and I'm running 220v out to my shed. I have been collecting material for a couple years and I am just about ready to get started. You and a small handful of people have actually made this viable. Thank you for your hard work and experimentation. Any last minute suggestions before I start my build?
This is an ongoing learning process. Check out my later videos where I explain the build and you can also visit the blog and pick everyone's brain there if you ever have any questions. Here is the link. www.miniwoodgas.com Be sure to keep us in the loop on your progress. Good luck.
Thanks, I'll try as I go. I do have an idea for the grate problem. The bunching of the coals on the grate are necessary but need to be limited as well. (hence the need to shake the grate) I think a domed grate may solve that problem of having to shake the grate. at some point it needs to just fall away. ;) Also, after you crack the tar the only remaining issues are temperature, soot and moisture. why not use a water cleaning? (Sort of a shower to remove the soot and cool the gas.) Then drying the gas is the only remaining issue. Sense water is the strongest solvent on the planet, I figure that to be the next logical step. Just an idea that popped in my head while planning my gasifier build.
Oh and kudo's on the studio! I to have a home recording studio, and play a little of everything and alot of nothing. Jack of all instruments and master of none. lol.. But I just enjoy jamming with others and recording. Cheers!
How many cfm fan you use?
Flash I build a gasifier unit. when i start up it has a back fire and bomb. Can you help me
Unfortunately this stuff doesn't quite work like propane where you can compress it down to a concentrated liquid but there is a simple work around. I know someone that stores gas in 4 tractor inner tubes that are tied together. They place a piece of plywood on top of them with a few bags of sand to give it pressure and for cooking or a small heater, this works fine.
Hey, no problem.
Hey, flash. Somehow i waa able to talk to you some time ago. Trying to connect again. I just made another attempt at building a gasifier. For some reason on what i build, my burn tube turns into a cannon and shoots all the coals out my burn tube. Lol. The only way i could keep the coals in the burn tube was to completely cover the burn tube and i hooked an air hose to supply air.
I was still not able to light the gas. I did find some leaks when I used forced air which I fixed, but no change.
OK, what are you calling the burn tube? Is this the hearth where the wood fuel is?
@@flash001USA yes and good to hear from you. I have been watching the all power lab videos all day trying to figure out why the back fire. I keep thinking I am getting air from somewhere but it doesn't seem to leak smoke when forced air is applied to the cover I made for the hearth.
Kinda the way I did this one is I watched your very first video on your channel. I had an old 55 gallon drum and I would have just been happy to see a flare and worry about filters later so I skipped clean outs and ignition ports to limit a chance of oxygen leaks. Made a grate and just welded to hearth thinking that for just one run, I could kick the barrel if I needed to shake the grate. I fabbed 2 inch galvanized pipe and screwed to top of barrel up over a down to a vortex. The hearth or burn tube is like 10 inch pipe welded to flat iron on top and bolted to top of barrel. Used 7/16 OSB for gasket. The vortex- 2 inch pipe in top and terminates. Other side- 2 inch pipe from bottom of filter through top and out drop 6-7 feet to shop-vac for blower. I was concerned about this adding oxygen to the system, so I took the shop-vac apart and I don't see where it would leak. This goes to a crude flare line made out of 1&1/4 pipe and at the end I used a piece of 2&3/8 pipe about 4 or 5 inches to build a mixer.
A saw dust filter after the cyclone filter will remove more wood ash and clean up the flame.
This is a older video when the build was still in the testing stage. There is now a tri-filter setup along with a 4th paper filter that does a really good job of scrubbing the gas to the point of smoke free.
how much your blower power?
Awesome! Are people powering cabins with these? I need to generate about 6 KWH/day. If my initial research is close, @ 3lbs of biomass/KWH, an efficient gasifier would need about 18 lbs of feedstock to produce 6 KWH/day. That's 540 lbs/mo. That's a lot of sticks lol. :) Do those numbers sound accurate? And is it really practical to power a cabin using a gasifier or is this more suited for emergency power? Thanks!
you could process 540lbs in a day by hand, chopping and felling, but i am not sure how much land you would need to grow it all year in and year out.
Check out my calculations on my site www.onealternative.us
Cracking the tar is actually cracking the molecules into smaller, more flammable gases. It works on the same principles in which you can extract bio-oil from the wood and crack gasoline, diesel, and kerosene out of the oil. The tar cracks down into more CO and Hydrogen and even small amounts of perafins, alkenes, etc. which are comparable to natural gas.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing (comment below me)...I want to see you..bag it somehow and then use a compressor to store it in a lp gas tank, say a 25-30 lb tank...then use it on a gas burner...would that work?
what the diameter of fire tube?
thats the same system that propelled cars during sec ww ?
haning at back of cars etc
Check out my last video (Video 18) I have the generator up and running in that video so you can see the gasifier actually doing some work.
Hi there,
is there a place where all you videos are in order. They keep turning up all over TH-cam. Also is the imbert design open design and public domain?
Yeah you can make them very small but it takes experimentation and tinkering to make it work. Look around or Google tiny wood gasifiers and you might find someone with a build that will fit your needs.
Hello , Can i use Aluminium for the gasifier barrel itself ?
Keep in mind this is a very early video. You may want to check out the later refined videos I uploaded on this gasifier. As far as using aluminum I wouldn't recommend it. I hope this helps.
Hi, I want to make an inquiry, I am doing my graduation project about a downdraf gasifier inverted type, this is double throat and have doubts about how the air intake works, if you'll explain you really appreciate it (we know leads two fans one before the fireplace and another will assume in the air intake, when switched off each or as aperan)
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How long will the system be able to run a 10,or to 20,000 kw generator
This is a small engine build running engines from 5 Hp up to around 12.5 Hp. The build has been completed since this video complete with automation. In my earlier videos I do a run test showing how long the engine will run from a given amount of wood chunks that were weighed out. If this interest you feel free to go to the channel and look at the older videos.
Great 👍🏼 how to do it sir.?...can u send me instructions or PDF side materials on how to do....thanks godbless
You are getting air mixing in with the woodgas. It could be from a air leak in your gasifier or the pipes or even the possibility that your ember bed is falling down through to the ash grate. The best thing is to make a video and post it on youtube for others to view. This way they can help you by what they see.
Thank you ^^
Great information. You are a very ingenious guy. I plan on building a gasifier this winter as a project. Do you have an email address to contact you? I know I have a couple questions already. I'd like to meet you some day and shoot the shit. Have a great day and keep up the good work.