My Kickr Bike v1, has rocked out of the box. Not enough to care, or worth the trouble of getting support for it. My eventual replacement will be something like the Zwift Ride (except I want belt drive when that times comes). I like the Kickr bike, but it was expensive for something I can't see using for more than 5-6 years.
With regards to Elite Square frame people like what they know and hate change. People ridiculed Apple AirPods when they were revealed and yet tonnes of people bought them and other companies are now copying them. I’m not saying that all future frames will be square just that new designs are nearly always widely hated at launch. I’ve got a Kickr bike v2 and to use Des’s parlance I’d describe that as striking too. It’s not beautiful, it won’t be in my front room any time soon, but it is very functional and that’s the important thing. I think the thing with the Square comes down to how much you value platform independence as to whether it’s a better buy than the Zwift frame. Right now I’d go Zwift but there’s nothing to say they won’t do something horrible to their platform 12 months from now and then buying the Zwift frame looks a poor choice. I do see these frame devices being the future of indoor bikes without the faff of pairing a real bike to a trainer and without the huge price tag of something like a Kickr bike
The weird thing with the pricing of the frames to me is, for the money you could just buy a budget bike or a second-hand one to dedicate to your trainer.
Have you actually tried buying a budget bike, one that is compatible with a trainer? I was in that position 6 months ago and it’s not as easy as it sounds. I have a Tacx Neo trainer siting around but it wants a 10/11 speed bike and most budget bikes that I’ve seen aren’t 10/11 speed, they’re frequently only 8 speed. As for second-hand, personally I don’t have patience to wade through that swamp filled with trash to find the odd gem. Frames make perfect sense to me
Does the Victory only work with 11 and 12 speed cassettes if I wanted to swap out the cog? I’m new-ish to cycling and only have an 8 speed Claris. I use Zwift right now, but would be interested in trying it out with other apps down the road and don’t want to have to upgrade my group set yet.
I sure wish my Kickr V5 was "Zwift Ready"...as promised half a year ago. 😐 As for the lost profit on replacing a defective product, profitability comes from consumer confidence. They can sell thousands on the basis that the few that break will be replaced. That 'insurance' is an investment and a cost of doing business.
I wouldn't say I *like* the Square's design, but I dig it. Are you able to get into exactly *how* the virtual shifting is meant to work with other trainers?
I guess I don’t understand your take on the zwift hub and other trainers. Isn’t it just a software thing. Wouldn’t offering hub comparably just open the trainers up to more people giving the popularity of zwift.
Zwift isn’t the only player in the market, it’s a big one yes, but not the only one. Thus, if you launch a trainer only workable with Zwift, then you effectively limit your customer base to a subset of users.
@@Dcrainmaker your missing what I’m saying or I’m missing something. Can’t you just take the zwif hub off and use the trainer like a normal trainer. I’m asking why can’t trainer makers just add the software to let customers use a zwift hub if they want to.
@@pulser955 Instead of shifting with the chain rings (and your bikes shifter) you use the Zwift Click that talks to the Zwift app not the trainer and then Zwift uses the OPEN protocol (FTMS or Ant+FE-C) to change the resistance on the trainer. Exactly what "technology" Zwift is protecting is hard to say. Seems to me they just aren't sharing the protocol for the Click. I don't understand why trainer makers would let them get away with it.
@@pulser955I think what he’s saying is yes, obviously you can put on a cassette, but that’s a pain when you buy a new trainer that has the whole selling point of “drop on your bike and go!” And then if you want to do anything other than Zwift (maybe you don’t wanna pay the subscription, don’t like how the game looks, etc.) then you have to rip it apart and buy a cassette. Also, It’s not really a trainer side problem, more a zwift problem, because zwift doesn’t want to share their code to use the hub on a different platform.
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We all know the old saying "A delayed bike computer is eventually good, but a rushed bike computer is forever bad"
My Kickr Bike v1, has rocked out of the box. Not enough to care, or worth the trouble of getting support for it. My eventual replacement will be something like the Zwift Ride (except I want belt drive when that times comes). I like the Kickr bike, but it was expensive for something I can't see using for more than 5-6 years.
With regards to Elite Square frame people like what they know and hate change. People ridiculed Apple AirPods when they were revealed and yet tonnes of people bought them and other companies are now copying them. I’m not saying that all future frames will be square just that new designs are nearly always widely hated at launch. I’ve got a Kickr bike v2 and to use Des’s parlance I’d describe that as striking too. It’s not beautiful, it won’t be in my front room any time soon, but it is very functional and that’s the important thing. I think the thing with the Square comes down to how much you value platform independence as to whether it’s a better buy than the Zwift frame. Right now I’d go Zwift but there’s nothing to say they won’t do something horrible to their platform 12 months from now and then buying the Zwift frame looks a poor choice. I do see these frame devices being the future of indoor bikes without the faff of pairing a real bike to a trainer and without the huge price tag of something like a Kickr bike
The weird thing with the pricing of the frames to me is, for the money you could just buy a budget bike or a second-hand one to dedicate to your trainer.
Have you actually tried buying a budget bike, one that is compatible with a trainer? I was in that position 6 months ago and it’s not as easy as it sounds. I have a Tacx Neo trainer siting around but it wants a 10/11 speed bike and most budget bikes that I’ve seen aren’t 10/11 speed, they’re frequently only 8 speed. As for second-hand, personally I don’t have patience to wade through that swamp filled with trash to find the odd gem. Frames make perfect sense to me
@@MattSwain1 I was thinking you could slap pretty much any bike on a trainer with a zwift cog, like the new Jetblack Victory
Why doesn’t Coros just sell separate mounts by themselves as an accessory to the Dura?
I suggest listening to Nero Show Podcast (Chris Miller) before purchasing this Coros Dura...it's trash apparently.
Does the Victory only work with 11 and 12 speed cassettes if I wanted to swap out the cog? I’m new-ish to cycling and only have an 8 speed Claris. I use Zwift right now, but would be interested in trying it out with other apps down the road and don’t want to have to upgrade my group set yet.
They are sending for July and have the option to send back for the new version in September. So yeah beta testing, until I return and get the new one.
I sure wish my Kickr V5 was "Zwift Ready"...as promised half a year ago. 😐 As for the lost profit on replacing a defective product, profitability comes from consumer confidence. They can sell thousands on the basis that the few that break will be replaced. That 'insurance' is an investment and a cost of doing business.
14:24 I bought a “new bike”(Canyon Grail) a few months ago and while it’s GRX Di2, it’s still 11-Speed. 12-speed is not that widespread
22:43-27:30: Hilarious mental gymnastics 😂 (the part about the looks of the Elite Square)
Loved this episode. Great point about the bad reviews comment.. and.. oh dear.. I love the look of the Elite!!!
Lickskillet is the OTHER road that goes to Gold Hill... Much harder and it is anything but smooth.
I wouldn't say I *like* the Square's design, but I dig it. Are you able to get into exactly *how* the virtual shifting is meant to work with other trainers?
Weird that neither of you are wearing watches 😮
Maybe they currently test watches they are not allowed to show yet
@@matthiasra1806 looking forward to some exciting new watches soon
I guess I don’t understand your take on the zwift hub and other trainers. Isn’t it just a software thing. Wouldn’t offering hub comparably just open the trainers up to more people giving the popularity of zwift.
Zwift isn’t the only player in the market, it’s a big one yes, but not the only one. Thus, if you launch a trainer only workable with Zwift, then you effectively limit your customer base to a subset of users.
@@Dcrainmaker your missing what I’m saying or I’m missing something. Can’t you just take the zwif hub off and use the trainer like a normal trainer. I’m asking why can’t trainer makers just add the software to let customers use a zwift hub if they want to.
@@pulser955 Instead of shifting with the chain rings (and your bikes shifter) you use the Zwift Click that talks to the Zwift app not the trainer and then Zwift uses the OPEN protocol (FTMS or Ant+FE-C) to change the resistance on the trainer. Exactly what "technology" Zwift is protecting is hard to say. Seems to me they just aren't sharing the protocol for the Click. I don't understand why trainer makers would let them get away with it.
@@pulser955I think what he’s saying is yes, obviously you can put on a cassette, but that’s a pain when you buy a new trainer that has the whole selling point of “drop on your bike and go!” And then if you want to do anything other than Zwift (maybe you don’t wanna pay the subscription, don’t like how the game looks, etc.) then you have to rip it apart and buy a cassette. Also, It’s not really a trainer side problem, more a zwift problem, because zwift doesn’t want to share their code to use the hub on a different platform.