I have a theory that most Hollywood writers are out of touch with today's audiences. The extent of these writer's life experience consists of an elite, ivy league education and gender study classes. The writers create a story, film it, present it to test audiences, and quickly discover that no one likes the story they wrote. So, they go through a series of reshoots that leave the story disjointed and nonsensical. For example, John Boyega had the most intriguing character in 'Star Wars'. A brainwashed stormtrooper who was able to break-free from the matrix. In the beginning, he was put on the path of the hero's journey. The story even hinted of a possible romance with Ray. But, his story was derailed; they didn't use him for anything important. He spent two-movies screaming Ray's name. In the end, he was robbed of a valiant self-sacrificial death. Not even the Rose Tico kiss went anywhere. Plus, the use of so much green screen and CGI completely took me out of the story. 😕
The last scene of this shows Qimir and Osha walking away, hand-in-hand... After he murdered ALL her friends and she murdered the father figure who wanted nothing but her safety. We're supposed to view these people as the GOOD GUYS?? *This show is morally repugnant.* And the fact Leslie and her writers presented it in this way speaks volumes about their nonexistent moral compass.
It shows, how shallow and empty the writers and directors understanding of love is. It shows, how cold this people are. 70% of narcissists also are psychopaths, Hollywood is full of narcissists, so I am not surprised 🤷♂️
Total pieces of shit. If they wanted a female lead dafne keene was there. With a unique character design and tons of fan good will from Logan. Who is investigating the twins. And not have the twins be the leads.
LEGO TOY STUDY: When little boys play with batman action figures, they become the batman toy, and play with it as batman. The boys do Batman things. When little girls play with the batman action figures, the little girls "self-insert" and have tea parties and dress it up in pink clothes. Batman is changed into something else. TRUE STORY. 🤣
It's not just a true story but they did a study of how boys play with toys and how girls play with toys. Boys become batman, a Jedi, or the Hulk, while girls make the toys do things like you said have tea parties. Boys become the toy and girls make the toy become them.
Also, when you give boys a Barbie, they often times will combine it with a firework rocket to help her to be an astronaut. When you give girls a Barbie, they will dress her up, and usually don't think about her career choices, and how she could reach this goals 🤷♂️
Basically, because this woman wants Star Wars back, not the mad rush to stuff it with as much representation as possible before they drag it into oblivion.
When I was a kid, my sister complained to our Mom to let her play in my friend’s and I treehouse. So I did. My sister didn’t like us jumping around or things we did in that treehouse, so kept introducing rules to follow. One by one, my friends and I stopped returning to the treehouse, until it was just my sister. With no one to play with, my sister eventual left. In the end, there was just an empty treehouse. I think there’s a lesson in there, somewhere….
I had a pretty good idea what was going to happen, as soon as I read the words, "So I did." I knew she'd move in and take over. Three friends (m4l3) going to see a specific movie... I forget which one... because... well... We invited a f3m4l3 coworker to to go see it with us... and she changed which movie we were going to see. (Which is the reason I don't remember the original intended movie.) Instead, she persuaded us to go see "Bridges of Madison County"... a movie about... a farm-wife who has an affair while her hubby has taken the kids to the state fair for several days. It was... boooooorrrrrrrriiiiiiiinnnnnnnggggg. (boring. extremely.) Second anecdote... I would tell my wife it was her turn to pick which restaurant we would go to. She would insist that I choose. I would name "100" places, all of which I *knew* she enjoyed... but none would be "right"... until I finally named the one she'd wanted all along.
Absolutely. Traditional male/female play models are NOT compatible. As I always said, "they don't play right!" And even into adulthood, you bring girls into the mix and they CHANGE everything, change it to be THEIRS and the males have no choice but to leave. This is a very old problem.
It's not about the story, it's about sending a message. We need the return of passion for good stories, instead of passion for 'fixing' what was never broken.
One thing I will never forget is seeing the VIDEO CLIP of Kathleen Kennedy saying there was NO *STAR WARS* literature to base their stories on. I have never personally read any *STAR WARS* books or comics, but I remember seeing them MANY TIMES in bookstores.
I remember that, and I about spit out my coffee when I read that. It's ridiculous, gas lighting nonsense. They had Star Wars literature, a massive body of it, and Disney threw it out when they bought Lucasfilm.
There is shelves upon shelves of Star Wars novels. I still havn't read any but I think it is about time for me to start so I can save SW in my heart at least.
@1Dreamking I have two shelves cramped full with Star Wars literature😅. Starting with a couple of books about the technologie in Star Wars and ending with dozens of fan fiction novels.
Not Women. Corporate women. All they value is acquiring power. So they act like corporate men (aggressive, petty, narcissistic, unlikeable hard-asses). And their characters are like them. Ann Crispin is an author who wrote the Han Solo trilogy books. They are better than Solo. They are better than anything Disney has put out. Way better. Probably because she (and all the authors who created the Star Wars Extended Universe) value crafting a good story over "power."
This isn't feminism. Twilight is feminism in practice. Harry Potter is feminism in practice. Women being able to create their own works in their own right that aren't hindered simply because they are women is all feminism is supposed to represent. This sht isn't feminism. It's untalented and entitled women using historical wrongs to guilt-trip their way into unearned positions and success. They only want to take what isn't theirs because they can not create nor understand the act of creation. Success is not a right, but they think it is. Worse yet, they believe "men" have it. Don't mistake the cover these people use as their actual goal or the actual issue. They will slap whatever cause they need to hide their petty desires. Hence, the rainbow and other bs being added to the fray.
I had someone complain to me Rogue One was not progressive enough That made me curious because the protagonist, Jyn Erso, was a tech savvy woman She told me "the scientists and engineer who designed Star Destroyer were all white male" I had to explain that the Empire was supposed to be evil and Sith Lords were not into DEI policies.
I can't get over the Amandla Stenberg dance thing. The combination of Night at the Roxbury dancing, the second hand embarrassment, the cringe, the Shaq hot wings commercial boogie (1:45)... there has never been a cringier cringe that ever cringed from a place of superiority that just acts a force multiplier of EVEN MOAR CRINGE.
Cringe enough for Disney to hide her since her first appearance after the disstrack in a show, where she just talked about how much she hates the fans, and that she thinks, she is oppressed and better than all the Star Wars fans out there 🤷♂️
Yes, and they tend to ruin anything men love as they cannot abide men having something for themselves, so they demand to be invited into the space, and then take the entire thing over, then destroy it, then complain that men weren't strong enough to protect it from them. It ain't just Star Wars. They've done it with nearly every IP that was created that men and boys were the first to appreciate and love, despite being called nerds for it. Even the term nerd has been taken by women for themselves as some cutesey term, after being used by women for decades to mock the very men that created the IP's they now destroy....like Star Wars.
"Have women ruined Star Wars?" Yes. _Unequivocally._ However, it's the women _manufacturing_ Star Wars content, rather than the women in it. Princess Leia, Padme Amidala, Ahsoka Tano (pre-Disney), Mara Jade, Bastila & Satele Shan, Visas Marr, Asajj Ventress (pre-Disney), Aayla Secura... all _fantastic_ female characters! There are many, many more... but those are the ones that come to mind right away.
Getting Andor out of disney star wars was nothing short of a miracle. It has me worried for series 2 knowing that its slowly gained a cult following and disney hates it when fans actually like something
It makes sense that Andor worked, actually. Tony Gilroy told the Disney execs he was “going to do it his way, or not at all”, which meant not really knowing/reviewing previous material, and pursuing it with creative freedom. By doing this, he divested his story from the Disney narrative, and created a real story that could coexist in the Star Wars medium. While I’m not the biggest Andor fan myself, I do see how it outshines a lot of the others it is surrounded by, and I think the most important part of this show is that it proves Disney should keep their hands off Star Wars.
There’s a worse part to this most people are overlooking. The female characters aren’t just simultaneously overpowered and victims of men. The men around them are also strong enough to oppress or otherwise dictate the life of the female characters and also too weak to actually outdo her in any capacity. The belief that your enemy is both strong and weak at the same time is a tenant of FASCISM
@@pittland44well easy example would be the Jews in WW2. They thought they were dirty, poor burdens on society bringing everything down while at the same time being so powerful and dastardly they were believed to also be orchestrating it from the shadows.
Not limited to fascism. It's just lying. Somehow the Dems are too incompetent to even be dog catchers yet they have this massive 'deep state' apparatus controlling everything. Both "strong and weak." Does that make Trump and the GOP fascists?
FUN FACT: The new 'Dead Pool & Wolverine' movie was made with NO female writers, NO female directors, and NO female editors. Strong male characters are exclusively the protagonists of the story. It is a massive hit with audiences.
Feminism and wokeness are ideologies. On their own they are nothing. It is the people behind those ideologies that are to blame...guess who that primarily is? WOMEN.
In short: Yes In detail: the women that make women hate other women and hate EVERYONE make Star Wars stuff now. My girlfriend hates the new stuff more than I do, and I didn't think anyone could hate the Disney garbage more than me.
To paraphrase Sun Tzu, knowledge precedes victory, ignorance precedes defeat. Both the females and males who run Disney decided they wanted to expand the audience beyond it straight male fan base but they didn't seem to ask the potential audience what they wanted to see. They just assumed they knew it because of their own issues and hang-ups.
Never forget that "all nerds are gays" im Amandla's universe... Never forget that the personal assistant made sure to fire everyone who knew anything about Star Wars...
No, because she's absolutely right about Bobby Egor... and don't forget Rian Johnson(less). Widen the scope to other SF/F franchises, and you'll see the same thing there... G's ruining them. Dr. Who. Wheel of Time. Rings of Power. DC stuff on the CW channel. Don't let them off the hook by blaming it all on the W's.
Ive been re watching Ewoks The Battle For Endor and Revenge Of The Sith several times and I’m amazed at how awesome and likable and charming male and female characters like Anakin, Obi wan, and Palpatine Wilford Brimley and Padme, Cindel and Charal are. And that was back in 1985 and 2005.
Great points! It's interesting because this extends well beyond the STAR WARS franchise. For instance, I was watching the recent film A QUIET PLACE: DAY ONE. It's actually a very good film -- well-made, (mostly) well-written and well-acted. Lupita Nyong'o, Joseph Quinn and Alex Wolff all do great jobs in their roles. However, there was one underlying part of the film that bothered me. In a few scenes, Lupita Nyong'o's character, Sam (the obvious protagonist of the film), went from "scared senseless" to essentially helping grown men (such as Joseph Quinn's character, Eric) through their "scared senseless" fears. Not only did these abrupt "rise to the occasion" moments feel inexplicable and disconcerting (given her own displays of fear), but it also felt "forced." After all, in the real world, I feel that men (particular alpha or sigma males) are the most likely to hide their fears through acts of bravery that involve risking their own lives. For instance, consider many of the anecdotes from times of war or acts of terrorism. When United Flight 93 was hijacked, the passenger voices who revolted against the hijackers (who were probably directing the plane to Washington D.C.) were all male -- including Todd Beamer. Whereas a woman will undoubtedly -- and instinctively -- protect a child (especially if it is her own child or related to her), good men will instinctively protect women or fight back against men. This is found throughout life. In just about 100 out of 100 cases, a man will protect his wife from an assailant (and the wife will actually EXPECT this). It is as if filmmakers are trying to create scenarios that are less plausible because they wish they were emblematic of how women would behave. Why? This is a precept of modern feminism. It's the belief that women can do anything men can do AND would act the same as a man in the same circumstances. Of course, with a very few exceptions, this just isn't based in reality. A woman can be completely noble while knowing herself (and her limits) -- even if it means allowing a man to rescue, defend or protect her. STAR WARS now seems like it is written with a philosophical end in mind. Not only do they want to promote feminism, but they promote a form of LGBTQxyz feminism too. Moreover, the "diversity" that they display doesn't actually reflect life but a fictional view of life. Racial-ethnic, religious and sexual-oriented minorities must always be portrayed as heroes that out-think and, often, out-perform males. Moreover, they must be the truly noble ones who "save" others (or, at the very least, educate how "wrong" the straight, white Christian male has been). It's a common, tired and, ultimately, unrealistic trope.
The funny thing is - when someone writes a male character the process of a good writer is " ok, he is a dude, what's interesting about him? What is he like? What are his definitive traits? " , while Star Wars writers are stuck on the " So she is a chick. What powers and abilities we should give her coz she needs to be awesome coz she is a chick". lol You know something is off when Kylo Ren , despite being the angry emo kid was still more appealing character than Rey is.
The problem is studio leadership. Kennedy's team has completely failed to grow Star Wars and a change in leadership needs to take place. It'll happen within the next 2 years - they've waited for all of the cr*p in development to cycle through. Great video!!
I blame bad writers and political interests. Women, black, gay, wheelchair it is just a shield. And for a few years it seemed to work. "You can't say anything bad about X because a black women lead is in it." But, the writing of these shows is just horrible. And people are walking off. The shields only worked so long! And now, another IP is destroyed.
That's the biggest problem with so many of these writers today. They're more concerned with using an established media to push their ideology rather than tell a good story. They start with character attributes first, and focus their story around that and this mentality, is their downfall. People don't want to be preached to with their entertainment. They want to be.... entertained. You can showcase a philosophy or belief system in your story, but allow your audiences to come to their own conclusions, rather than forcing them to accept your view of good/bad, right/wrong.
There's a word which could be used to describe the original trilogy which just isn't found anywhere in Disney Star Wars. "FUN" No matter how bad things got in Empire Strikes Back or Return Of The Jedi for the Heroes there was always a feeling of ""This is so much FUN."
Let's be fair, men have also added their share of duds: J.J Abrams, Rian Johnson, Dave Feloni, Joby Harold, Jon Favreau (with Boba Fett). Tbh, Gilroy has made everyone look like amateurs, but the solution is not to scream "Yas, yasss!" and hire people with zero experience in live-action or sci-fi like Leslye Headland. K.K. must find more gilroys or learn as much from the Andorverse as she can (tough chance IMO).
i dont even remember the last time i watched star wars, even the old good stuff. it's not like there still good and very good books (and shows) that i'd rather consume. i don't like badly written stories / characters /anything. good video as always.
If I remember correctly Lucas' by now exwife took some rather bold decisions in the cutting room of the original movie's post production run, thereby creating the movie we all grew up and fell in love with. In the movie itself aunt Beru wasn't shy of sharing her opinion on Luke's next step in life with her husband and uncle Owen didn't completely disregard her opinion or beat her into submission. And Leia herself played a pretty important role in the plot, stood her ground in front of Vader and Tarkin to the best of her abilities, managed to not get her spirit broken in the face of genocide of her own people and immediately took control of her fate again once she got out of the cell. I really don't see how women allegedly haven't played important role in the history of Star Wars both in front of and behind the camera.
Martha Lucas' role in the success of _Star Wars_ has been grossly overstated. She did do a lot of editing but every film goes through a lot of editing and she was one of three that worked on the movie. As you say women have always played a role in what we see on the big screen and it's quite frankly bizarre that their contributions have been retroactively removed so women working on the current projects can take mode credit.
Dude, I hate this assumption because the women currently heading creative projects don't dissuade it. I have grown up to many female led stories and female created stories. And so it aggravates me when such people try to champion themselves as such only soil their reputation. Thankfully, I am not short on such projects that do not lack quality.
I think a lot of this whole issue is studios using social justice type politics to cover up that they are not willing to actually pay writers well enough to attract good writers. They just use young inexperienced writers who they under pay and exploit naive enthusiasm of.
Star wars is a boy brand and they tried to turn it into a girl brand. So it's no longer interesting to boys (or grown men). But it's also not particularly interesting to girls or women since the characters aren't female role models - just villains presented as heroes.
And women rarely like Sci-Fi... and usually don't like action movies/shows, either. You have to add lots of drama to get them into it... which conversely makes the story LESS interesting to guys. This IS a "zero sum game"... the more you add to get one group... the more you repel the other group.
@@Nyet-Zdyes It doesn't have to be that way. Just because more men than women have historically liked scifi (debatable in certain IPs) it doesn't mean that girls didn't like it. And those girls had to face being called weird and unfeminine, like nerdy boys had to suffer being mocked. You didn't get praise for being a girl and into "boys' things" before the noughties. Also, Lois McMaster Bujold, Ursula LeGuin, Tanith Lee, Octavia Butler.....are they a joke to you? I get being upset by the corporate manipulation of today, but erasing and dismissing female scifi fans and creators ain't the way to go about it. You're just giving ammunition to the people saying that nerds are sexists, and I'm sure you don't mean it like that...?
@@kostantza1 I said that they *rarely* like it... not never. Their scarcity made them more special to me. Even in Star Wars, they seem to be about 20%... maybe as much as 30%... or as few as 10%. As for "it doesn't have to be that way"... This is more complex. This isn't societal conditioning. These are fundamental differences between us... the types of toys we choose, and how we play with them, from *very* young ages, before any social conditioning has begun.
@@Nyet-Zdyes I'm not saying something different. Never believed that equality means to have 50% of everything, and I have no issue being in the 10,20,30 or 80% of any fandom. The examples were to illustrate that regardless if it was smaller than the male one, there has always been a strong and decisive presence and influence of female scifi writers and fans, and to propose that women need "drama" to get involved in any other literary genre is....short-sighted and kinda stereotypical. There is already character- and drama- heavy scifi, there's no need to dangle "girl stories" before the female audience to make them pick up a book heavier than a paranormal romance. Maybe what attracts a number of women to scifi isn't that it's similar to what they usually read or is promoted to them, but that it's different, since people have often diversified tastes. In any case, my point is that whatever they did with Star Wars and other action/scifi IPs isn't catered to women - it's catered to certain women (and other groups), and the basis is more ideological than biological. Women may in general prefer more character-driven stories, but nowhere it says they appreciate shit writing or paper-thin characters more .A female protagonist/main character on her own organic terms wouldn't be a deterrent, I hope, for most people - it's the assorted politics, Mary Sueness and moral wonkiness that nobody serious can abide. II do sympathize with the frustration of seeing an IP you love go downwards and feeling like you're pushed out of it, but the women who are scifi fans aren't really an enemy, nor are they infiltrators - they were there before it was decided these franchises weren't woman-friendly enough, and when they lost the charm they held for their male fans, they also lost it for them.
@@kostantza1 Oh... your comment: "... it's catered to certain women (and other groups), and the basis is more ideological than biological..." I couldn't agree more. CERTAIN... NOT ALL. Yes, I know... and would also go so far as to argue that the change "repels" the women who are *already* fans of the IP... usually, at least. This doesn't, however, change my stance that the W's who *do* enjoy SF/F... example Star Wars or Star Trek, etc... are a small subset of the "type W group".
Saying that star wars is a male centered franchise and fan base, is just as dumb as saying that animation is just for kids. Big studios and "Hollywood" have lost touch with the their fans, the "normies" and in general everyone. Most of what comes out these days aren't for the people, but for themselves to give a clap on the shoulder.
Except that the Star Wars fan base IS overwhelmingly male... or was... until so many guys gave up on it. YES it had fans who were f3m4l3... but they were a small fraction. If you are even slightly strict with the word "fan", that small fraction immediately gets MUCH smaller.
I'm five minutes in and this analysis is remarkably spot on. On another video discussing this (Eckard's Ladder channel "Is star wars destroying itself", I thiink)...there was a bunch of people expressing what a HOT BANKABLE exciting IP star wars would still be, if they only put out Mando and Andor (maybe Ashoka)...AND IT'S SO TRUE. It's not that the garbage shows performed poorly or too little, it's that they literally killed the franchise and exhausted one of the most die hard fan community on the face of the earth. What a feat, what Hubris. Crazy part is that Kathleen Kennedy management is litterally reproducing the story of Star Wars. Money power and greed corrupting good stuff and Ruling class so full of themselves they walk themselves into oblivion despite all warning. *insert palpating "How ironic" meme here*
I’ve been watching House of the Dragon religiously and it’s main character is played by a nonbinary person who is doing an amazing job. This was never about woke. It’s always been about the quality of the writing.
@@moabman6803 "non-binary" is a nothingness. It's not an identity. It only says "I'm not A or B." Okay, you're C, so what is C? It's really just wanting social status for being 'different' without the balls to actually pick an identity.
@@juandirection8820 Not the point. The point is that the Acolyte showrunner likes to paint their nerd fans as bigots because the showrunner and the main actor are gay women. Yet a non-binary actress leading a female led show draws basically zero ire from the audience. The point is the Acolyte is hated because it sucks, not because bigots are review bombing it.
It is really sad that they are constantly pandering this message, like if Leia and Padme never existed, or were simple damsels in distress. Not to mention Mon Mothma... have these people even watched Star Wars ONCE? Smh
@@sirrobin4394 Unless there is a major change in management... I agree. CURRENT management... oh yes, they are lost in de loo loo land. They need someone to show them to the door.
A new fanbase that isn't even really interested in the franchise to begin with. Of course, there are always exceptions and it's important to acknowledge them, but acting as If you could just change the main target audience of a product, like changing the Barbie franchise and trying to make it appealing for men, is downright delusional.
I fear this type of writing may bleed into future Star Wars animation projects. They’ve been relatively good shows with great and/or complex female characters (Omega, Hera/Sabine, Ahsoka/Ventress/Barriss).
You should do a video about good representation and how to incorporate diversity in an effective and meaningful way so that the story being told can be better going forward
The harpies laid an egg. At least the fans recognize this fact. The producer/creators haven't figured this out yet. The investors, however, are waking up.
To say women did not have significant roles or power in Star Wars tells me that person has never truly watched or read Star Wars media. George Lucas said it himself, in the first movie Lea is a leader in the Rebellion and a senator. She is young but morally and emotionally strong. She has to be able to take charge. She did that in the movie. She directed a country kid with talent into a rebel fighter and convinced a life long smugger to stand for something. All this in the first movie. Then we had Queen Amadalla and then Senator Amadalla in the the second trilogy. The difference is that the Character had depth and the gender was secondary. The current movies have it the over way around. All Mary Sue with no depth or growth and this is even the main characters.
And the fact that these people do NOT know this, is proof that they are not, and never were, fans... not even casual fans... Like the G actor who thinks Anakin bl3w up the Death Star.
Is the gender ever really secondary? Let's be honest, the gender is never really secondary for women. These women were feminist propaganda too, just less abusive and annoying. To say women did not have significant roles in anything is feminist historical revisionism. The myth of the terrible written female character throughout history is feminist crap. Women have always been prevalent throughout literature throughout all of human history. It's just women being neurotic and annoying as always.
It’s a hell of a skill to write stories that are both fantastical and also believable. If the audience is unable to suspend their disbelief, how can they be entertained?
George Lucas didn't have a problem with it. LOTS of people have done so, quite successfully. But when the writing is just bad, just plain bad, there is no "suspension of disbelief" that can cover it.
The truth is revealed by an extraordinary, well spoken, lady that just became my favorite Vloger. You ate the best, I like you a lot. The Big Giant Head should have done her homework and accepted constructive criticism from fans and consultants who know about Star Wars!!! Wars. Beyond the stars!!! In space!! Guns and light sabers!! Aliens and Military fighters that don't focus on genders and feelings. Everyone was treated equally with no woke agenda. Men don't complain about all women or rainbow mafia shows. Why complain about straight American man shows?!?!?
Female writer for Super Sentai (Japanese superhero) like Yasuko Kobayashi can create better story compared to Hollywood feminist. Power Rangers Time Force also use same plot as written by her
Kobayashi also created Kamen Rider Den O which increase the popularity of male actor & Shinkenger which Power Rangers Samurai just copy her storyline 😂. Women can do better if they aren't feminist
Words like Narcissist, toxic masculinity are always on the tip of their tongue. While they make female protagonists with the exact said qualities and expect people to like them. Whenever I hear the word feminine, a certain vibe comes to my mind, a vibe of love, warmth, acceptance, tenacity. These are qualities, not weaknesses.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts I understand the goals behind initiatives like "Sweet Baby Inc." and DEI programs. However, I worry that instead of helping, these actions might have negative effects. Sometimes, the harm caused by these efforts can overshadow their good intentions. This can give people who are against these causes more reasons to criticize and attack them. We’ve already seen plenty of these negative effects. They might need to rethink how these initiatives are carried out and find better ways to achieve their goals. Simply dismissing opposing opinions as hateful doesn't help either. Instead, it makes things worse; trying to put out a fire with more fire. That said, I genuinely think that some initiatives, like "Sweet Baby Inc." and forced DEI programs, end up causing setbacks. It’s important to be aware of these concerns and work towards more effective and inclusive strategies. That said… I found "The Acolyte" to be really challenging to follow. The story felt incoherent, and having flashback episodes within an 8-episode series made it harder to stay engaged. Casting Stenberg as a lead was also pretty bad since her inexperience was blatantly obvious. The plot lines became predictable from episode 4 onward, (which is not ideal for a murder mystery hybrid). I’m well-versed in the works of Agatha Christie and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and I could foresee basically „all“ of the twists. Reimagining a beloved franchise like "Star Wars" comes with its risks. In my honest opinion, it’s a difficult task to meet. It's important for new content to respect the original material; which „the acolyte“ did not. Simply carrying the "Star Wars" name isn't enough to win over fans' hearts if the content doesn’t resonate with the essence of what they love about the franchise. Thank you for your attention.
I disagree. We have 'wokeness' BECAUSE of women. For example, we know that... if only men voted, western civilization (the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia, etc.) would be exclusively conservative. All this craziness would not have any political support. But, when you add in the female vote, we suddenly have unlimited-abortion rules, radical-gender ideology in our public schools, and public-taxpayer funding for it all. Women are easily manipulated into every leftist cause.
In general terms I despise the titles to videos and articles that ask a question that everyone knows that the answer to the question posed by the title is a resounding YES and the premise undisputedly true
This was excellent, I have seen many reviews critically analysing plot holes, purposeless acts and no obvious goal (some well written, even fewer with writing solutions) but here we see things from a corporate point of view, there isn’t any real agenda at the board level beyond making it more lucrative by extending its attractiveness to a wider audience (as much a noble goal as a corporate one). There is a lot I am still unsure of, it’s all well and good blaming Kathleen, and it’s all well and good you blaming Bob and it is just possible these people are idiots focussed on noble agenda’s more than making good movies or promoting the corporate end (lining their own pockets) but why has the board never got involved by now and removed Kathleen and Bob on their own incompetencies.
This seems to only happen to series on streaming services. If these shows were on tv whereby they had to attract and retain viewers or it'll be cancelled, I'm certain we wouldn't get this crap. For example, House of the Dragon has female leads, but they're well written characters with flaws and depth. Good video. 👍
I really wonder what the numbers for Star Wars would currently be. In their effort to expand the fan base: How many fans of the mythical "new modern audience" have they gained for each individual and real fan they've lost?
Not paying attention to Disney, especially Disney Star Wars, has been a favorite pastime of mine these last few years. We haven't gone to Disneyland and we don't have Disney+.
Ripley, Sarah Connor, Lorraine Broughton, Kate Bishop, Alita, Hermione, Motoko. What do all of these characters have in common? They have flaws, they aren’t op, they don’t start off as the bestest ever, and they become greater by facing challenges and/or adapting
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The thing is, Star Wars projects are about women now, not about Star Wars
I have a theory that most Hollywood writers are out of touch with today's audiences. The extent of these writer's life experience consists of an elite, ivy league education and gender study classes. The writers create a story, film it, present it to test audiences, and quickly discover that no one likes the story they wrote. So, they go through a series of reshoots that leave the story disjointed and nonsensical. For example, John Boyega had the most intriguing character in 'Star Wars'. A brainwashed stormtrooper who was able to break-free from the matrix. In the beginning, he was put on the path of the hero's journey. The story even hinted of a possible romance with Ray. But, his story was derailed; they didn't use him for anything important. He spent two-movies screaming Ray's name. In the end, he was robbed of a valiant self-sacrificial death. Not even the Rose Tico kiss went anywhere. Plus, the use of so much green screen and CGI completely took me out of the story. 😕
Agreed Billy.
EXCELLENT WORK. NERDWORD WOMEN RUINED STAR 🌟 WARS DISASTER
@@laidoffjournalist That makes a lot of sense!
That succinctly sums it up
The last scene of this shows Qimir and Osha walking away, hand-in-hand...
After he murdered ALL her friends and she murdered the father figure who wanted nothing but her safety. We're supposed to view these people as the GOOD GUYS??
*This show is morally repugnant.* And the fact Leslie and her writers presented it in this way speaks volumes about their nonexistent moral compass.
It shows, how shallow and empty the writers and directors understanding of love is. It shows, how cold this people are. 70% of narcissists also are psychopaths, Hollywood is full of narcissists, so I am not surprised 🤷♂️
It's their warped sense of values that only makes sense to them.
This is a pattern that you can't unsee once you catch it.
Total pieces of shit. If they wanted a female lead dafne keene was there. With a unique character design and tons of fan good will from Logan. Who is investigating the twins. And not have the twins be the leads.
Star Wars is about HEROISM, and Acolyte is anything BUT.
LEGO TOY STUDY: When little boys play with batman action figures, they become the batman toy, and play with it as batman. The boys do Batman things. When little girls play with the batman action figures, the little girls "self-insert" and have tea parties and dress it up in pink clothes. Batman is changed into something else. TRUE STORY. 🤣
It's not just a true story but they did a study of how boys play with toys and how girls play with toys. Boys become batman, a Jedi, or the Hulk, while girls make the toys do things like you said have tea parties. Boys become the toy and girls make the toy become them.
@ laidoffjournalist
My little girl has adventures w her toys and hits shit with hammers.
Also, when you give boys a Barbie, they often times will combine it with a firework rocket to help her to be an astronaut. When you give girls a Barbie, they will dress her up, and usually don't think about her career choices, and how she could reach this goals 🤷♂️
This is just facts
Star Wars movie bad because little girls have tea parties😢
Not just any women... Star Wars is now under the control of a Coven of Lesbian Space Witches.
No shit
....with the power of _MAAAAAAAANEEEEEEEE......!_ 🤣 🤣 🤣
Basically, because this woman wants Star Wars back, not the mad rush to stuff it with as much representation as possible before they drag it into oblivion.
Ridiculous comment
@@nikolaimyhre1187 How so? It's true.
When I was a kid, my sister complained to our Mom to let her play in my friend’s and I treehouse.
So I did.
My sister didn’t like us jumping around or things we did in that treehouse, so kept introducing rules to follow.
One by one, my friends and I stopped returning to the treehouse, until it was just my sister.
With no one to play with, my sister eventual left.
In the end, there was just an empty treehouse.
I think there’s a lesson in there, somewhere….
Just about as good as an analogy gets right here.
I had a pretty good idea what was going to happen, as soon as I read the words, "So I did."
I knew she'd move in and take over.
Three friends (m4l3) going to see a specific movie... I forget which one... because... well...
We invited a f3m4l3 coworker to to go see it with us... and she changed which movie we were going to see.
(Which is the reason I don't remember the original intended movie.)
Instead, she persuaded us to go see "Bridges of Madison County"... a movie about... a farm-wife who has an affair while her hubby has taken the kids to the state fair for several days.
It was... boooooorrrrrrrriiiiiiiinnnnnnnggggg. (boring. extremely.)
Second anecdote...
I would tell my wife it was her turn to pick which restaurant we would go to.
She would insist that I choose.
I would name "100" places, all of which I *knew* she enjoyed... but none would be "right"... until I finally named the one she'd wanted all along.
Absolutely. Traditional male/female play models are NOT compatible. As I always said, "they don't play right!" And even into adulthood, you bring girls into the mix and they CHANGE everything, change it to be THEIRS and the males have no choice but to leave. This is a very old problem.
you, your friends, your mom and your sister ALL sound lame & cringe
Gatekeeping is good
It's not about the story, it's about sending a message. We need the return of passion for good stories, instead of passion for 'fixing' what was never broken.
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@@LostCauseClown if you think this is worse, wait until you see the new Mrs. Freeze by Rocksteady… what the fuuuuuuuu…
One thing I will never forget is seeing the VIDEO CLIP of Kathleen Kennedy saying there was NO *STAR WARS* literature to base their stories on.
I have never personally read any *STAR WARS* books or comics, but I remember seeing them MANY TIMES in bookstores.
I remember that, and I about spit out my coffee when I read that. It's ridiculous, gas lighting nonsense. They had Star Wars literature, a massive body of it, and Disney threw it out when they bought Lucasfilm.
There is shelves upon shelves of Star Wars novels. I still havn't read any but I think it is about time for me to start so I can save SW in my heart at least.
@@1Dreamkingmay I suggest reading the Thrawn trilogy Darth Plagues and the Darth Bane trilogy they are some of the best.
heir to the empire was one of the best trilogies ever
@1Dreamking I have two shelves cramped full with Star Wars literature😅. Starting with a couple of books about the technologie in Star Wars and ending with dozens of fan fiction novels.
Not Women. Corporate women. All they value is acquiring power. So they act like corporate men (aggressive, petty, narcissistic, unlikeable hard-asses). And their characters are like them. Ann Crispin is an author who wrote the Han Solo trilogy books. They are better than Solo. They are better than anything Disney has put out. Way better. Probably because she (and all the authors who created the Star Wars Extended Universe) value crafting a good story over "power."
This Acolyte chick twerking on camera is not corporate and I think it’s fair to say she’s at least contributed to the ruination of Star Wars.
Truth!
Hmm... I'm guessing you aren't referring to the trilogy... Han Solo at Stars' End... Han Solo's Revenge... Han Solo and the Lost Legacy.
(grin)
@@Nyet-Zdyes I'm not familiar with the latter two. But I would not consider Han to be corporate-like in the OT.
@@apocalypsetedium Neither would I.
Those 3 were written by Brian Daley.
feminism has ruined a lot of things. soccer moms ruin things. there sadly seems to be a pattern.
Miserable people don't want other people to be happy.
This isn't feminism. Twilight is feminism in practice. Harry Potter is feminism in practice. Women being able to create their own works in their own right that aren't hindered simply because they are women is all feminism is supposed to represent.
This sht isn't feminism. It's untalented and entitled women using historical wrongs to guilt-trip their way into unearned positions and success. They only want to take what isn't theirs because they can not create nor understand the act of creation. Success is not a right, but they think it is. Worse yet, they believe "men" have it.
Don't mistake the cover these people use as their actual goal or the actual issue. They will slap whatever cause they need to hide their petty desires. Hence, the rainbow and other bs being added to the fray.
"soccer moms ruin things" *citation needed karen
@@horvathsogranfume658 you must be young. Soccer mom was the Karen before the karen.
To answer your question:
“Yas. Yasss!”
I had someone complain to me Rogue One was not progressive enough
That made me curious because the protagonist, Jyn Erso, was a tech savvy woman
She told me "the scientists and engineer who designed Star Destroyer were all white male"
I had to explain that the Empire was supposed to be evil and Sith Lords were not into DEI policies.
I have wonder if evil and Sith lords are into DEI policies.
The Rebels have become the true enemies of Galaxy.
Their appreciation of a character is just skin deep isn't it?
@@Psylove17No, much less than that, it doesn‘t even graze the skin. Just looks at it from outside and judges by its color, quite literally
Evil people are specifically the ones pushing dei policies in reality.
Glad you included Rogue One, which makes the point that this is NOT about male or female leads; its about telling an engaging story
I can't get over the Amandla Stenberg dance thing. The combination of Night at the Roxbury dancing, the second hand embarrassment, the cringe, the Shaq hot wings commercial boogie (1:45)... there has never been a cringier cringe that ever cringed from a place of superiority that just acts a force multiplier of EVEN MOAR CRINGE.
Yeah that’s super cringe
The advantages of having a super rich white daddy
Cringe enough for Disney to hide her since her first appearance after the disstrack in a show, where she just talked about how much she hates the fans, and that she thinks, she is oppressed and better than all the Star Wars fans out there 🤷♂️
Never forget that that disstrack was sung by a multimillionaire daughter of corporate executives who has never worked in any place but Hollywood.
@@leonnunhofer3453 Monkeys can not think. Or sing. Nor dance. And that shows.
GOOD STORYTELLING means TELLING A GOOD STORY.
It really is that simple
Yes, and they tend to ruin anything men love as they cannot abide men having something for themselves, so they demand to be invited into the space, and then take the entire thing over, then destroy it, then complain that men weren't strong enough to protect it from them. It ain't just Star Wars. They've done it with nearly every IP that was created that men and boys were the first to appreciate and love, despite being called nerds for it. Even the term nerd has been taken by women for themselves as some cutesey term, after being used by women for decades to mock the very men that created the IP's they now destroy....like Star Wars.
"Have women ruined star wars?"
YAS , YAS
No. Feminists ruin Star Wars. Not women in general.
Feminist women should learnt to create better story from Japanese superhero female writers 😂. Feminist star wars just plagiarism
"Have women ruined Star Wars?"
Yes. _Unequivocally._ However, it's the women _manufacturing_ Star Wars content, rather than the women in it. Princess Leia, Padme Amidala, Ahsoka Tano (pre-Disney), Mara Jade, Bastila & Satele Shan, Visas Marr, Asajj Ventress (pre-Disney), Aayla Secura... all _fantastic_ female characters! There are many, many more... but those are the ones that come to mind right away.
Why did disney had to give a karen haircut to Asajj Ventress ? Isn't her species hairless ?
@@Mabra51 Zabrak's from Dathomir are usually hairless but other sub species of Zabraks aren't. That and Merrin has hair... not sure how canon this is.
Weak men have allowed it
@@Mabra51 - Her species prior to Disney, Rattataki, were hairless. Then they changed her to Dathomirian Zabrak and gave her hair.
I think you mean YAS
Getting Andor out of disney star wars was nothing short of a miracle. It has me worried for series 2 knowing that its slowly gained a cult following and disney hates it when fans actually like something
I can already sense the bait-and-switch... or perhaps he'll get the Obi Wokenobi treatment... or Last Jedi Treatment.
It makes sense that Andor worked, actually. Tony Gilroy told the Disney execs he was “going to do it his way, or not at all”, which meant not really knowing/reviewing previous material, and pursuing it with creative freedom. By doing this, he divested his story from the Disney narrative, and created a real story that could coexist in the Star Wars medium. While I’m not the biggest Andor fan myself, I do see how it outshines a lot of the others it is surrounded by, and I think the most important part of this show is that it proves Disney should keep their hands off Star Wars.
They should’ve just made a movie out of the prison break part the rest was slow and meh tbh
Activists ruined Star Wars.
Star Wars was not perfect, but it had lots of heart and soul. And yes, even the prequels had some.
I’d have told Disney to Suck IT if I were George Lucas.
Shit, the prequels were goddamn MASTERPIECES compared to everything Disney had done with the franchise.
@@josephdillard9907 I think George Lucas lost his way when he got rich.
@@treystephens6166he was never super talented. He had a good team around him. When he got super famous, he lost that check on his power.
@@LB-yg2br yeah, he also assumed all the credit.
There’s a worse part to this most people are overlooking. The female characters aren’t just simultaneously overpowered and victims of men. The men around them are also strong enough to oppress or otherwise dictate the life of the female characters and also too weak to actually outdo her in any capacity. The belief that your enemy is both strong and weak at the same time is a tenant of FASCISM
Interesting observation, would you happen to have any good examples of this?
I think all leftists do that as a way to justify their demonization of and attacks on whatever group of scapegoats they're using at the time.
@@pittland44well easy example would be the Jews in WW2. They thought they were dirty, poor burdens on society bringing everything down while at the same time being so powerful and dastardly they were believed to also be orchestrating it from the shadows.
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Not limited to fascism. It's just lying.
Somehow the Dems are too incompetent to even be dog catchers yet they have this massive 'deep state' apparatus controlling everything. Both "strong and weak." Does that make Trump and the GOP fascists?
KK, Bob Iger and Modern 2020 Disney are to blame, tbh.
we dont give jj abrams enough credit for helping ruin star wars
Not women, but radical feminism and wokeness.
Exactly. You said before i could. 👏♥️
FUN FACT: The new 'Dead Pool & Wolverine' movie was made with NO female writers, NO female directors, and NO female editors. Strong male characters are exclusively the protagonists of the story. It is a massive hit with audiences.
Yep this
@@laidoffjournalist WOW, super fun fact!! My life will never be the same 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Feminism and wokeness are ideologies. On their own they are nothing. It is the people behind those ideologies that are to blame...guess who that primarily is? WOMEN.
In short: Yes
In detail: the women that make women hate other women and hate EVERYONE make Star Wars stuff now.
My girlfriend hates the new stuff more than I do, and I didn't think anyone could hate the Disney garbage more than me.
John Knox said it best: “A monstrous regiment of women!”
Amandla dances like Patrick Dempsey in the movie "Can't Buy Me Love". hahahaha
To paraphrase Sun Tzu, knowledge precedes victory, ignorance precedes defeat. Both the females and males who run Disney decided they wanted to expand the audience beyond it straight male fan base but they didn't seem to ask the potential audience what they wanted to see. They just assumed they knew it because of their own issues and hang-ups.
Never forget that "all nerds are gays" im Amandla's universe... Never forget that the personal assistant made sure to fire everyone who knew anything about Star Wars...
This entire video could’ve been one second and the single word “yes.”
No, because she's absolutely right about Bobby Egor... and don't forget Rian Johnson(less).
Widen the scope to other SF/F franchises, and you'll see the same thing there... G's ruining them.
Dr. Who.
Wheel of Time.
Rings of Power.
DC stuff on the CW channel.
Don't let them off the hook by blaming it all on the W's.
Nah. Women didn’t ruin Star Wars. Feminists did, and you can be a male feminist. Look at Rian Johnson.
and that other deadpool who doesn't wear the mask who got killed by deadpool.
“The force is female” nonsense exists for a reason. People will try to deflect and pretend it wasn’t when it is
Ive been re watching Ewoks The Battle For Endor and Revenge Of The Sith several times and I’m amazed at how awesome and likable and charming male and female characters like Anakin, Obi wan, and Palpatine Wilford Brimley and Padme, Cindel and Charal are. And that was back in 1985 and 2005.
They seem to have the impression that NOT being perfect and better than everyone is a sin. Living a life by these standards must be very sad.
Great points! It's interesting because this extends well beyond the STAR WARS franchise. For instance, I was watching the recent film A QUIET PLACE: DAY ONE. It's actually a very good film -- well-made, (mostly) well-written and well-acted. Lupita Nyong'o, Joseph Quinn and Alex Wolff all do great jobs in their roles. However, there was one underlying part of the film that bothered me.
In a few scenes, Lupita Nyong'o's character, Sam (the obvious protagonist of the film), went from "scared senseless" to essentially helping grown men (such as Joseph Quinn's character, Eric) through their "scared senseless" fears. Not only did these abrupt "rise to the occasion" moments feel inexplicable and disconcerting (given her own displays of fear), but it also felt "forced."
After all, in the real world, I feel that men (particular alpha or sigma males) are the most likely to hide their fears through acts of bravery that involve risking their own lives. For instance, consider many of the anecdotes from times of war or acts of terrorism. When United Flight 93 was hijacked, the passenger voices who revolted against the hijackers (who were probably directing the plane to Washington D.C.) were all male -- including Todd Beamer.
Whereas a woman will undoubtedly -- and instinctively -- protect a child (especially if it is her own child or related to her), good men will instinctively protect women or fight back against men. This is found throughout life. In just about 100 out of 100 cases, a man will protect his wife from an assailant (and the wife will actually EXPECT this).
It is as if filmmakers are trying to create scenarios that are less plausible because they wish they were emblematic of how women would behave. Why? This is a precept of modern feminism. It's the belief that women can do anything men can do AND would act the same as a man in the same circumstances. Of course, with a very few exceptions, this just isn't based in reality. A woman can be completely noble while knowing herself (and her limits) -- even if it means allowing a man to rescue, defend or protect her.
STAR WARS now seems like it is written with a philosophical end in mind. Not only do they want to promote feminism, but they promote a form of LGBTQxyz feminism too. Moreover, the "diversity" that they display doesn't actually reflect life but a fictional view of life. Racial-ethnic, religious and sexual-oriented minorities must always be portrayed as heroes that out-think and, often, out-perform males. Moreover, they must be the truly noble ones who "save" others (or, at the very least, educate how "wrong" the straight, white Christian male has been). It's a common, tired and, ultimately, unrealistic trope.
The funny thing is - when someone writes a male character the process of a good writer is " ok, he is a dude, what's interesting about him? What is he like? What are his definitive traits? " , while Star Wars writers are stuck on the " So she is a chick. What powers and abilities we should give her coz she needs to be awesome coz she is a chick". lol You know something is off when Kylo Ren , despite being the angry emo kid was still more appealing character than Rey is.
The problem is studio leadership. Kennedy's team has completely failed to grow Star Wars and a change in leadership needs to take place. It'll happen within the next 2 years - they've waited for all of the cr*p in development to cycle through.
Great video!!
I blame bad writers and political interests.
Women, black, gay, wheelchair it is just a shield. And for a few years it seemed to work. "You can't say anything bad about X because a black women lead is in it."
But, the writing of these shows is just horrible. And people are walking off. The shields only worked so long!
And now, another IP is destroyed.
And then these writers complain we can't separate art from the artist. When you directly admit to self insertion it's not going to be easy.
Yes, not even a question.
Without even starting to watch the video, YES
2 words... Bob Iger.
Brings up the phrase ‘just cuz you can, doesn’t mean you should’
Noticed how Disney never tried to change all its girl brands into boy brands!
Amandla Stenberg is the human version of C3PO, but with less acting range
C3po: "I beg your pardon!! Do not compare me to that embarrassing organic! How rude!"
Activists ruined Star Wars, and those come in a male and female package.
@@1SpicyMeataball yeah, these crazy women we see in charge right now have tons of male enablers behind the scenes allowing all this bs to get made
Yes, bob iger is equally to blame in this.
... and Reeannie Johnsonless... and Feloni...
Nah they came exclusively in female packages. “The force is female” exists for a reason
That's the biggest problem with so many of these writers today. They're more concerned with using an established media to push their ideology rather than tell a good story. They start with character attributes first, and focus their story around that and this mentality, is their downfall. People don't want to be preached to with their entertainment. They want to be.... entertained. You can showcase a philosophy or belief system in your story, but allow your audiences to come to their own conclusions, rather than forcing them to accept your view of good/bad, right/wrong.
Star Wars died under Disney no matter if Disney solves their crisis it already comes to late for this franchise since nobody is interested anymore.
You deserve way more views
Short answer yes. Long answer: yes.
There's a word which could be used to describe the original trilogy which just isn't found anywhere in Disney Star Wars. "FUN" No matter how bad things got in Empire Strikes Back or Return Of The Jedi for the Heroes there was always a feeling of ""This is so much FUN."
telling anyone what they should think, say or do will always result in visceral rejection
Can we get a poll that shows how many women WANT to be film makers?
Short answer: yes
Long answer: no, but really yes
They could've at least had Princess Leia or Luke have daughters to continue the blood lines.
*YES.*
... I guess I'd better watch the video now.
Let's be fair, men have also added their share of duds: J.J Abrams, Rian Johnson, Dave Feloni, Joby Harold, Jon Favreau (with Boba Fett). Tbh, Gilroy has made everyone look like amateurs, but the solution is not to scream "Yas, yasss!" and hire people with zero experience in live-action or sci-fi like Leslye Headland. K.K. must find more gilroys or learn as much from the Andorverse as she can (tough chance IMO).
i dont even remember the last time i watched star wars, even the old good stuff.
it's not like there still good and very good books (and shows) that i'd rather consume.
i don't like badly written stories / characters /anything.
good video as always.
If I remember correctly Lucas' by now exwife took some rather bold decisions in the cutting room of the original movie's post production run, thereby creating the movie we all grew up and fell in love with. In the movie itself aunt Beru wasn't shy of sharing her opinion on Luke's next step in life with her husband and uncle Owen didn't completely disregard her opinion or beat her into submission. And Leia herself played a pretty important role in the plot, stood her ground in front of Vader and Tarkin to the best of her abilities, managed to not get her spirit broken in the face of genocide of her own people and immediately took control of her fate again once she got out of the cell. I really don't see how women allegedly haven't played important role in the history of Star Wars both in front of and behind the camera.
Martha Lucas' role in the success of _Star Wars_ has been grossly overstated. She did do a lot of editing but every film goes through a lot of editing and she was one of three that worked on the movie. As you say women have always played a role in what we see on the big screen and it's quite frankly bizarre that their contributions have been retroactively removed so women working on the current projects can take mode credit.
- Have women ruined Star Wars?
- Yes! Yes!
One in particular... but don't let Egor off the hook.
Or Johnsonless (TLJ)... or Feloni (Mando 3, Assoka, Book of Boba Fett)
@@Nyet-Zdyes Aye, the dark lord has her pawns.
Very well said and a video very well done. Thank you for speaking out. Let's save the franchise!
*"Democracy, family and duty."* Sounds as dated as Deadpool and Wolverine... 😏
I would say that it's actually the women that we are speaking about attitudes that were the problem not the fact that they were women.
I would say apart from laundry and sandwiches they ruin everything they touch.
You absolute legend...
I've recently watched Kill Bill Volume 1 and 2. That's how you write a female lead that everyone likes.
Dude, I hate this assumption because the women currently heading creative projects don't dissuade it. I have grown up to many female led stories and female created stories. And so it aggravates me when such people try to champion themselves as such only soil their reputation. Thankfully, I am not short on such projects that do not lack quality.
I agree
Short answer, yes!
Long answer, most definitely!
George Lucas looks so spineless in this recordings. He sits there like a C 💀
I think a lot of this whole issue is studios using social justice type politics to cover up that they are not willing to actually pay writers well enough to attract good writers. They just use young inexperienced writers who they under pay and exploit naive enthusiasm of.
Star wars is a boy brand and they tried to turn it into a girl brand. So it's no longer interesting to boys (or grown men). But it's also not particularly interesting to girls or women since the characters aren't female role models - just villains presented as heroes.
And women rarely like Sci-Fi... and usually don't like action movies/shows, either.
You have to add lots of drama to get them into it... which conversely makes the story LESS interesting to guys.
This IS a "zero sum game"... the more you add to get one group... the more you repel the other group.
@@Nyet-Zdyes It doesn't have to be that way. Just because more men than women have historically liked scifi (debatable in certain IPs) it doesn't mean that girls didn't like it. And those girls had to face being called weird and unfeminine, like nerdy boys had to suffer being mocked. You didn't get praise for being a girl and into "boys' things" before the noughties.
Also, Lois McMaster Bujold, Ursula LeGuin, Tanith Lee, Octavia Butler.....are they a joke to you? I get being upset by the corporate manipulation of today, but erasing and dismissing female scifi fans and creators ain't the way to go about it. You're just giving ammunition to the people saying that nerds are sexists, and I'm sure you don't mean it like that...?
@@kostantza1 I said that they *rarely* like it... not never.
Their scarcity made them more special to me.
Even in Star Wars, they seem to be about 20%... maybe as much as 30%... or as few as 10%.
As for "it doesn't have to be that way"...
This is more complex.
This isn't societal conditioning.
These are fundamental differences between us... the types of toys we choose, and how we play with them, from *very* young ages, before any social conditioning has begun.
@@Nyet-Zdyes I'm not saying something different. Never believed that equality means to have 50% of everything, and I have no issue being in the 10,20,30 or 80% of any fandom. The examples were to illustrate that regardless if it was smaller than the male one, there has always been a strong and decisive presence and influence of female scifi writers and fans, and to propose that women need "drama" to get involved in any other literary genre is....short-sighted and kinda stereotypical. There is already character- and drama- heavy scifi, there's no need to dangle "girl stories" before the female audience to make them pick up a book heavier than a paranormal romance. Maybe what attracts a number of women to scifi isn't that it's similar to what they usually read or is promoted to them, but that it's different, since people have often diversified tastes. In any case, my point is that whatever they did with Star Wars and other action/scifi IPs isn't catered to women - it's catered to certain women (and other groups), and the basis is more ideological than biological. Women may in general prefer more character-driven stories, but nowhere it says they appreciate shit writing or paper-thin characters more .A female protagonist/main character on her own organic terms wouldn't be a deterrent, I hope, for most people - it's the assorted politics, Mary Sueness and moral wonkiness that nobody serious can abide. II do sympathize with the frustration of seeing an IP you love go downwards and feeling like you're pushed out of it, but the women who are scifi fans aren't really an enemy, nor are they infiltrators - they were there before it was decided these franchises weren't woman-friendly enough, and when they lost the charm they held for their male fans, they also lost it for them.
@@kostantza1 Oh... your comment:
"... it's catered to certain women (and other groups), and the basis is more ideological than biological..."
I couldn't agree more.
CERTAIN... NOT ALL.
Yes, I know... and would also go so far as to argue that the change "repels" the women who are *already* fans of the IP... usually, at least.
This doesn't, however, change my stance that the W's who *do* enjoy SF/F... example Star Wars or Star Trek, etc... are a small subset of the "type W group".
THANK YOU for making this.
The Answer IS YES
I'll go out on a limb here.
YES.
Saying that star wars is a male centered franchise and fan base, is just as dumb as saying that animation is just for kids.
Big studios and "Hollywood" have lost touch with the their fans, the "normies" and in general everyone.
Most of what comes out these days aren't for the people, but for themselves to give a clap on the shoulder.
Except that the Star Wars fan base IS overwhelmingly male... or was... until so many guys gave up on it.
YES it had fans who were f3m4l3... but they were a small fraction.
If you are even slightly strict with the word "fan", that small fraction immediately gets MUCH smaller.
Male always has been the target audience. Just like everything in this life, target audience is a thing, for both male and female public
no. animation is centered for kids.
I'm five minutes in and this analysis is remarkably spot on.
On another video discussing this (Eckard's Ladder channel "Is star wars destroying itself", I thiink)...there was a bunch of people expressing what a HOT BANKABLE exciting IP star wars would still be, if they only put out Mando and Andor (maybe Ashoka)...AND IT'S SO TRUE.
It's not that the garbage shows performed poorly or too little, it's that they literally killed the franchise and exhausted one of the most die hard fan community on the face of the earth.
What a feat, what Hubris.
Crazy part is that Kathleen Kennedy management is litterally reproducing the story of Star Wars. Money power and greed corrupting good stuff and Ruling class so full of themselves they walk themselves into oblivion despite all warning.
*insert palpating "How ironic" meme here*
I’ve been watching House of the Dragon religiously and it’s main character is played by a nonbinary person who is doing an amazing job.
This was never about woke. It’s always been about the quality of the writing.
What the heck is a non binary? Some sort of oriental or something?
@@moabman6803 🦗 🦗 🦗
@@moabman6803 "non-binary" is a nothingness. It's not an identity. It only says "I'm not A or B." Okay, you're C, so what is C? It's really just wanting social status for being 'different' without the balls to actually pick an identity.
I mean, at the end of the days she's a woman playing a woman character. Not exactly ground breaking
@@juandirection8820 Not the point.
The point is that the Acolyte showrunner likes to paint their nerd fans as bigots because the showrunner and the main actor are gay women.
Yet a non-binary actress leading a female led show draws basically zero ire from the audience.
The point is the Acolyte is hated because it sucks, not because bigots are review bombing it.
It is really sad that they are constantly pandering this message, like if Leia and Padme never existed, or were simple damsels in distress. Not to mention Mon Mothma... have these people even watched Star Wars ONCE? Smh
It was intentional. Disney not only wants to cater to a different demographic, it ultimately wants to grow a whole new fanbase.
Yes... but it will be a MUCH smaller fan base, for things like Star Wars, and most likely Marvel, too.
@@Nyet-Zdyes They're too deluded to see that, and the company will crash and burn before they find out.
@@sirrobin4394 Unless there is a major change in management... I agree.
CURRENT management... oh yes, they are lost in de loo loo land.
They need someone to show them to the door.
A new fanbase that isn't even really interested in the franchise to begin with. Of course, there are always exceptions and it's important to acknowledge them, but acting as If you could just change the main target audience of a product, like changing the Barbie franchise and trying to make it appealing for men, is downright delusional.
@@IdocarebutIdont agreed. It's why Disney keeps losing money.
This has happened across all media, not 'mediums'.
Not women but a woman and her name is Kathleen Klux Kennedy.
I prefer Kathleen Colon Kennedy.... because they both produce the same thing.
I fear this type of writing may bleed into future Star Wars animation projects. They’ve been relatively good shows with great and/or complex female characters (Omega, Hera/Sabine, Ahsoka/Ventress/Barriss).
You should do a video about good representation and how to incorporate diversity in an effective and meaningful way so that the story being told can be better going forward
There is nothing inherently good about diversity.
The harpies laid an egg. At least the fans recognize this fact. The producer/creators haven't figured this out yet. The investors, however, are waking up.
To say women did not have significant roles or power in Star Wars tells me that person has never truly watched or read Star Wars media. George Lucas said it himself, in the first movie Lea is a leader in the Rebellion and a senator. She is young but morally and emotionally strong. She has to be able to take charge. She did that in the movie. She directed a country kid with talent into a rebel fighter and convinced a life long smugger to stand for something. All this in the first movie.
Then we had Queen Amadalla and then Senator Amadalla in the the second trilogy.
The difference is that the Character had depth and the gender was secondary. The current movies have it the over way around. All Mary Sue with no depth or growth and this is even the main characters.
And the fact that these people do NOT know this, is proof that they are not, and never were, fans... not even casual fans...
Like the G actor who thinks Anakin bl3w up the Death Star.
Is the gender ever really secondary?
Let's be honest, the gender is never really secondary for women.
These women were feminist propaganda too, just less abusive and annoying.
To say women did not have significant roles in anything is feminist historical revisionism.
The myth of the terrible written female character throughout history is feminist crap.
Women have always been prevalent throughout literature throughout all of human history.
It's just women being neurotic and annoying as always.
Excellent video. Written very well. You made soild points.
God bless 🙏✝️
god is an imaginary character from a fantasy book with talking trees and talking animals
It’s a hell of a skill to write stories that are both fantastical and also believable. If the audience is unable to suspend their disbelief, how can they be entertained?
George Lucas didn't have a problem with it. LOTS of people have done so, quite successfully. But when the writing is just bad, just plain bad, there is no "suspension of disbelief" that can cover it.
The truth is revealed by an extraordinary, well spoken, lady that just became my favorite Vloger. You ate the best, I like you a lot. The Big Giant Head should have done her homework and accepted constructive criticism from fans and consultants who know about Star Wars!!! Wars. Beyond the stars!!! In space!! Guns and light sabers!! Aliens and Military fighters that don't focus on genders and feelings. Everyone was treated equally with no woke agenda. Men don't complain about all women or rainbow mafia shows. Why complain about straight American man shows?!?!?
Yeah, women ruin everything! Except my sammich. 🤣🤣😆🤣
Female writer for Super Sentai (Japanese superhero) like Yasuko Kobayashi can create better story compared to Hollywood feminist. Power Rangers Time Force also use same plot as written by her
Kobayashi also created Kamen Rider Den O which increase the popularity of male actor & Shinkenger which Power Rangers Samurai just copy her storyline 😂. Women can do better if they aren't feminist
@@muhammadzulbahrizainalabid8403 it was a jokey comment. It's the woke agenda driven stuff that ruins things.
Words like Narcissist, toxic masculinity are always on the tip of their tongue. While they make female protagonists with the exact said qualities and expect people to like them.
Whenever I hear the word feminine, a certain vibe comes to my mind, a vibe of love, warmth, acceptance, tenacity. These are qualities, not weaknesses.
No Disney women have
Several novels written by women in starwars extended lore
Disney don't want to pay royalties so ignore their work
Thank you for sharing your thoughts
I understand the goals behind initiatives like "Sweet Baby Inc." and DEI programs. However, I worry that instead of helping, these actions might have negative effects. Sometimes, the harm caused by these efforts can overshadow their good intentions. This can give people who are against these causes more reasons to criticize and attack them.
We’ve already seen plenty of these negative effects. They might need to rethink how these initiatives are carried out and find better ways to achieve their goals. Simply dismissing opposing opinions as hateful doesn't help either. Instead, it makes things worse; trying to put out a fire with more fire.
That said, I genuinely think that some initiatives, like "Sweet Baby Inc." and forced DEI programs, end up causing setbacks. It’s important to be aware of these concerns and work towards more effective and inclusive strategies.
That said… I found "The Acolyte" to be really challenging to follow. The story felt incoherent, and having flashback episodes within an 8-episode series made it harder to stay engaged. Casting Stenberg as a lead was also pretty bad since her inexperience was blatantly obvious. The plot lines became predictable from episode 4 onward, (which is not ideal for a murder mystery hybrid). I’m well-versed in the works of Agatha Christie and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and I could foresee basically „all“ of the twists.
Reimagining a beloved franchise like "Star Wars" comes with its risks. In my honest opinion, it’s a difficult task to meet. It's important for new content to respect the original material; which „the acolyte“ did not. Simply carrying the "Star Wars" name isn't enough to win over fans' hearts if the content doesn’t resonate with the essence of what they love about the franchise.
Thank you for your attention.
Wokeness has, not women
I disagree. We have 'wokeness' BECAUSE of women. For example, we know that... if only men voted, western civilization (the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia, etc.) would be exclusively conservative. All this craziness would not have any political support. But, when you add in the female vote, we suddenly have unlimited-abortion rules, radical-gender ideology in our public schools, and public-taxpayer funding for it all. Women are easily manipulated into every leftist cause.
start to notice the gender of the people screeching the loudest about wokeness...
@@spaceguy564 Women created all of this garbage. But not every one of them is indoctinated
In general terms I despise the titles to videos and articles that ask a question that everyone knows that the answer to the question posed by the title is a resounding YES and the premise undisputedly true
This was excellent, I have seen many reviews critically analysing plot holes, purposeless acts and no obvious goal (some well written, even fewer with writing solutions) but here we see things from a corporate point of view, there isn’t any real agenda at the board level beyond making it more lucrative by extending its attractiveness to a wider audience (as much a noble goal as a corporate one). There is a lot I am still unsure of, it’s all well and good blaming Kathleen, and it’s all well and good you blaming Bob and it is just possible these people are idiots focussed on noble agenda’s more than making good movies or promoting the corporate end (lining their own pockets) but why has the board never got involved by now and removed Kathleen and Bob on their own incompetencies.
Good lord, that "dis track" is an atrocity. It might be the first piece of objectively bad art.
All this is very sad.
And when the pendulun swings back it's gonna become tragic
Lmaaaoo... Love the title and that you are a girl posting this. You are chefs kiss, cute girl with the hands. :-* Good humor
This seems to only happen to series on streaming services. If these shows were on tv whereby they had to attract and retain viewers or it'll be cancelled, I'm certain we wouldn't get this crap. For example, House of the Dragon has female leads, but they're well written characters with flaws and depth. Good video. 👍
Not just one woman, not just two women, but many women
Very good take. I hope your channel growss. I subbed.
You already answered this YES!! or more like YASSS YASSS!!!
I really wonder what the numbers for Star Wars would currently be. In their effort to expand the fan base: How many fans of the mythical "new modern audience" have they gained for each individual and real fan they've lost?
Not paying attention to Disney, especially Disney Star Wars, has been a favorite pastime of mine these last few years. We haven't gone to Disneyland and we don't have Disney+.
The market speaks for itself, shareholders need to take control
Ripley, Sarah Connor, Lorraine Broughton, Kate Bishop, Alita, Hermione, Motoko. What do all of these characters have in common? They have flaws, they aren’t op, they don’t start off as the bestest ever, and they become greater by facing challenges and/or adapting