@@MrScooter46290 I don't think Flight Test wants that either. I think they put that in the video as a sort of middle ground. Legislation will probably happen but hopefully it'll be less impact on the hobby.
The FAA really needs to tell Amazon to bugger off already, and I'm glad you lot are working so hard to convince them to do so. We have been a non-issue for nearly a century now and the advent of DJI drones has not changed that. There is no safety issue, no grounds to push us out of the airspace. Any new regs aren't grounding me, though. I will fly anyway. I'm not putting geofencing or GPS on my models either way. I'll just fly outlaw. I'm not letting Amazon tell me I can't enjoy this hobby.
I completely agree with you. What Amazon wants to do should not be allowed at all and should not even be considered. Amazon don't have to abide by the line of sight rule but I can't safely fly my models line of sight? Fat chance that will happen! I could give two shits what they come up with I will be flying my models safely and away from full size aircraft as I have been since the early 80s without incident!
TestECull: the penny has just dropped... is it young Mr Bezos wanting to deliver stuff by air....... Now it all makes sense. I'm waiting for an Amazon delivery now! Here in UK nothing is flying in this weather! So come on Amazon. Think harder, think smarter and don’t p**s off your customers.
Any Amazon drone I see flying near, around, or over me Is going to be knocked down and tossed in my pool. A potato gun works great for water balloons and nets too
@Cerus98 It has everything to do with package delivery because the drivers behind this shit are big corps like Amazon. And what do you think a big corp like Amazon is gonna do with the airspace once they've booted us lot out of it, hrm? This is not a safety thing. It never was. The whole 'we gotta make the air safer' thing is a ruse, a boldfaced lie told to you so you'll blindly accept whatever bullshit corpo giants like Amazon want. Tellingly, there's an article on Financial Times about these very big wig CEOs finding our fierce resistance shocking. Now ask yourself this: Why the fuck would they care about our resistance to these proposals if they weren't trying to boot us out of the skies so they could run package delivery with drones, hrm? If it truly was a safety thing they would have no horse in the race and would not care one iota.
Let's not forget about slope glider flying too, none of those planes would even have the option to comply with RID, due to the requirements. And, I'm not aware of any AMA clubs that are slope flying sites. I learned so much about flying, back in the early 2000's, flying slope gliders over the Susquehanna River in PA. It will be sad times if this ruling doesn't have a major overhaul!
@@Sarahbethcycles Yeah man! Used to spend all the time I could there, till I moved away to work down here in Savannah, GA. Love that whole park for flying and great hiking trails too!
@Milt Farrow Nasa mentioned it in one of their videos too, about preparing for the future of automated personal travel and delivery drones, all the big players are into stealing our hobby out from under us.
This hobby has changed my life, my son and I have recently bonded while learning about RC Planes and Planes and Aviation in general. We respect that this is a hobby that has common sense safety applications while in use. We are able to have fun with a limited budget. Changes due to regulations make no sense and in such case would take the hobby away from us or make it so expensive and heavily regulated that it takes from the experience.
I'm in the same boat.... Disabled Veteran, Model Aviation (FIXED WING ONLY) is much more than just a Hobby.... I'm a loner. My PTSD makes me unsociable. My beyond meager income makes things that many people take for granted (NO Computer, Printer, or EVEN a smart phone!!), I have NO ACCESS to. Flying my dirt cheap Foam Core Board Aircraft gives me the ONLY solace in my life! I live in a very Hobby UNfriendly City. All I've got are Ball Fields and Parks..... I feel like my enjoyment of the Hobby is being RIPPED out of my hands. THE REAL CULPRITS are Amazon, Microsoft, and a few other big companies, who will score BIG profits from the elimination of us "Hobby Pilots".
Easy answer non compliance they don't have enough personnel to enforce there rule and most police don't give a rats ass about flying model planes when crime rates are increasing ever year
Thank you for everything you guys are doing for us. I'm so glad FT represents guys like me. I have never felt welcome at AMA fields. Y'all are making history. Happy flying guys!
It’s incredibly inspiring and heartening to see you guys standing up for our hobby and our passion! I’m am so grateful to you for all you are doing! Stay strong and keep it up! We will keep our models flying!
Gathered data, presented findings, showed examples discussed possible solutions. Awesome job! Now that the horse has been brought to the water, will he drink?
@@michaelwayland4421 That is a point well made sir. However this fight has just begun. I would urge everyone now to start writing to their congressman/woman and senator about this. This has to be nipped in the bud immediately.
@Sasha Kruse Grim I linked the proposal in another thread and the pertinent exceptions. But, basically the laws aren't changing much except to put ID equipment on larger craft (those over 250g)when not flown at AMA sanctioned airfields. Aircraft over .55 lbs already need to register if a kit or prebuilt. Mostly from what i read it's designed so they can keep track of Amazon drones making deliveries.
@@RPSchonherr So you are willing to go along because you just.. Trust them? What could possibly go wrong right? Lol. Government is run by angels who never deceive and always have our best interests at heart after all. /s Wake up dude.
@@weeral1 Not a matter of trust. Most of it is already law that you are either following or not. I'm just pointing out that the difference seems to only be the new requirement for ID equipment on larger aircraft and that there may not be a reason to panic. If you want Amazon and Walmart to deliver your packages by drone then the law has to change to make it possible. I really don't think it's going to be the "end of the hobby" like people are saying.
@@RPSchonherr Robert Schuster Well assuming they will enforce it, I think it is a big deal indeed. And you are in the minority. Most everyone who is seriously looking at this is worried... unless you want to assume that tons of people who aren't just don't comment.. "Not a matter of trust". OK what would you call hoping expecting or having faith that they won't be strictly enforcing this on the rest of us.. But only on amazon etc.? Sure sounds a lot like trust to me. Unless you prefer the word "naive". But if it is that, you would never see that is was, so... Yep.
Thank You Josh, Alex and the crew at FT, who are totally committed to our hobby, and are fighting extra hard to maintain the freedom we have enjoyed for so long. God bless you all!
I applaud your efforts and sincerely hope the FAA will watch and recognize the folly of their current NPRM. Unfortunately the government is tone deaf and doesn't respond to their overseers, us. Thank you for taking the lead on protecting our hobby. With any luck at all someone will wake up and fix this and let part 107 control the commercial drone activity and leave the rest of us alone!!
Dear guys at flight test my name is Gary and I have been building and flying planes and rockets for over 50 years and I want to thank you for your efforts in this struggle. You are so very right about many of us. This hobby is a very personal thing it's about being American and an individual. While flying with a group is sometimes good many of us want to fly alone. At ordered flight parks you have less freedom, you get less air time. It's nice to just take your plane out to a park or school yard and fly. God bless you guys
I'm not a Modeler and I dont fly but I love your videos. I love the passion you have for your hobby. I didn't know how great your support system is for others entering your hobby you guys rock. Fight the good fight With one voice 1.5 million followers stand up and be heard.
Not to mention most AMA fields don't allow multi-rotors... And there is absolutely zero need for anyone but me to know I am flying in uncontrolled airspace.
Agreed with all but the need for anyone else to know. Tell someone else if they flying in the same space... but seriously, i hate that so many clubs don’t allow multi rotor... unless its on a wing...
Not to mention that flying an FPV quad in an open field is boring, except when you're first starting out. The regulations won't stop people from doing it. They'll just brand a ton of pilots as criminals.
Thank you guys! You hit on everything I did in my comment to them, and like you, I love the idea of any system that allows us to designate our own area (maybe with a time window) for when and were we will be flying. I'm fortunate enough to have a small 6 acre farm to fly at, but not everyone does, and if they can log into an app on their phone and designate the park or soccer field as a flight site for 2-3 hours or however long, would be great for all sides. Compliance would be easily accomplished, and the FAA would meet their mandate for information without unnecessary or burdensome costs like the ones you outlined for dues, travel, insurance etc for the too few, over crowded, and expensive AMA flight clubs. Thank you again for all you do, and for stepping up to help be a face for all of us. Together we are strong.
Excellent points made guys. Thankyou so much. The Flite Test community was fundamental in assisting me in to the most rewarding and enjoyable hobby Ive ever had. A friend gave me two gasser planes which helped ignite the interest but it was the simplicity and fun that I saw in the Flite Test videos that helped me overcome fear of crashing and begin to fly rc models. Today, thanks to your community I fly with my son who is a teacher here in Australia, and is using the stem program which you created. I also enjoy new friends and fly different model types including gassers. Thankyou again.
Thank you Josh for hopefully informing the FAA about the big picture involving our hobby. I did write to my senators here in Florida and the FAA this month. I also did your survey a couple of days ago. I see a few R/C pilots are upset about the possibility of needing a smart phone to use the laanc app but that certainly looks like the best alternative to the extreme proposals suggested by the FAA. I never miss your videos wondering, "What are they up this time?" I just turned seventy-three and have been flying about five years now. My first R/C plane was a Bix 3. Keep up the great job you are all doing there and thanks again for this video to the FAA. Tom Luck in The Sunshine State.
Hats off to you guys from the UK. So far we in the UK have got away with these regulations comparatively lightly. I put this down in part to the response to the the Government by model flyers and in the main by our BMFA working together with the CAA. The result is that whilst, yes we are regulated, BMFA members are currently exempt form a lot of the restrictions of non members. So far, we have no Geo tagging but do have exclusion areas, mainly around Airports and Built Up Areas. Under 250g you are still free to fly where ever. Keep up the good work!
I posted yesterday, thanks for the links. That's the problem where I live here in West Central Florida just north of the Tampa Bay Area is there's one designated flying site that's not too too far of a drive, but I don't always have my car (wife works, I'm disabled) and time to get there. If I were to fly here, in my small yard or local park so many people would complain and or call the police...I cannot afford tickets and fines. I only fly small quads now because of this. I miss my sport night flying plane, was so much fun to relax and forget about my migraines. Thanks again. Live free and fly responsibly. Keep up the awesome work ladies n gents.
@@mrb2917 it's their private property. Nobody has a right to tell them what they can do on their own property. Nobody can tell them they cant sell their products. It's called being free, "one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all". That sums it up, the FAA isnt my god so I'll keep doing my thing as everyone else should. They only get power if we give it to them.
Nate B Agree but property and airspace are two different things legally. Ran into this back in like 1978 when my dad tried putting a 75’ antenna on top of our house for a radio.
@@LuckyStarExcavation Honestly anything under 1000 AGL shouldn't be any of their business. Unless you're right at the end of a runway or landing pad it will never be a concern.
Josh and company have been doing an awesome job. Personally I think they are doing more than the AMA when it comes to getting new blood into the hobby. The original Flite Test videos are what got me to take the leap and get into the hobby. Initially with a "Bat bones" multirotor kit, and now a Tiny Trainer and a Simple Storch. Even though I do have other models (a couple of Bixlers ;) ), I do enjoy building their kits as well. When you guys get your CBO status you will definitely have my name in the ranks! Keep up the good work!
I cannot be more proud to be part of this amazing community. All you hear about is negative things happening in the world and all the drama around it. This is a very healthy community that empowers people to accomplish something positive. People are learning real life skills everyday. I really wish the comment period could be pushed back until after Flitefest so the FAA could come and see the magic first hand. Even as a member, it blows me away each year. FAA please don't hurt such a positive and thriving community of passionate doers. The US and the world would be a little worse off if that happens.
At last a reasonable and workable alternative suggestion to the FAA's crazy ideas. It's one thing criticising the FAA but its heaps better to come up with an alternative solution that will satisfy the FAA concerns about the hobby. I just hope the FAA are going to be watching this video and that they will pay attention to it! Keep up the good work guys!!
I’m grateful there are groups like FT that help support aviation enthusiasts and their families! Governmental agencies are also supposed to support basic human rights...The FAA should not only keep air space safe, but also help foster a resilient community that appreciates this amazing spirit called flight! I believe LAANC has been valuable, and is an economic tool providing regulations that can keep air traffic safe, without stealing these experiences and dreams from Americas future generations....
thank you. As someone who lives in rural Montana where the nearest designated flying site could be 50- 100 miles away we have to do what we can to enjoy the hobby. Model aviation has been one of my many interests for over 30 years and it should remain what it is, a simple hobby.
My Dad passed away in 2008. We were both big aviation fanatics. We enjoyed building plastic model kits together and flying RC. This hobby helped us bond in ways that nothing else could. I enjoyed the time I spent with my Dad. I can't explain how or why, but when I fly RC, I feel like I am still making a connection with him. PLEASE, do not take this away from me.
You guys are great to work with a government that can’t figure out how to deal with mass shootings of children. This hobby is already self regulating. And it would self regulate itself more if given the opportunity. I fly over the Pacific Ocean. And when I lose contact, an autonomous robot chooses the path that I set up prior, and it flies back to me. No one is in danger. Keep up the good work fellas!
Al Ortiz: I can’t help but agree with you. Now how about you got the NRA to support the FliteTest guys??? Nobody gets in the way of the NRA - That’s said in my best Charlton Heston voice.
Awesome. I'm Canadian but it is so nice to see a Champion emerge to lead the fight to keep our hobby alive! Ultimately what happens there will surely happen here.
This is our hobby so Protect it! We don’t want to let the Faa destroy it and the creativity, clubs, connections and fun with it. We are very grateful for you guys and all you have done for us. Thank you Flitetest
I'm not even in your country but I just had to say what a marvellously expressive and hugely supportive case for your hobby. Just an idea to focus on those F-16 pilots and senior DoD members who can remember it was the excitement of their childhood that sent them on a career path to protect and serve for your country. So all you USAF drivers (we’ll let the Navs and RIOs in too) get in touch with the FAA and support this. Good luck from UK.
Josh / Alex / Team, I just wanted to thank you for what I have seen to be an effective campaign of messaging, education, lobbying and community rallying calls. I hope the FAA is both listening, understanding and are willing to stand up to what I imagine are powerful political and commercial lobbying groups. Like most people who are passionate about all the dimensions of the aviation world I recognize that the FAA is a force for good - but desperately needs help, from all quarters. I hope yours, and other approaches, were able to remind them that we, as a diverse group, can help them in a material way. NOTE: I am sure you have probably recognized that with the current enormous scope of the definition of a 'UAS' - the FAA have created a massive and diverse group of A/C and Operating conditions to be managed and "integrated". I have got to be believe by subdividing this UAS group, applying suitable RISK / IMPACT assessment for each sub group ( and ignoring not the media hyperbole / distortion) the FAA would have more flexibility to treat ours/ other causes with more understanding / latitude AND would stand a better chance of keeping the community on their side! Love the passion and the energy, Thanks guys, Martin
Posted my comment months ago. I've been flying Rc since 1979! That's 41 years of friends helping me, and passing the torch to new flyers. RemoteID cannot happen as it exists now on paper. I hope this doesn't fall on deaf ears.
I heard you but might as well be deaf with such a overwhelming amount of people that don't understand the options our ours and we dont need to make rules, just say no!
@@williamdecker3989 No. This is a shame that it wasn't ignored by everyone. Looking to make themselves regulated and want to be a part of something. It makes this hobby elusive for these goodie two shoes backstabers.
You can't overstate the skill and creativity this hobby fosters. Thank you for representing the diy hobbyists that don't fly at AMA fields, but farm fields.
I support you both....you both have a deep connection...kindred spirit.. Do not lose it...been following your channel over 7 yes...love Josh to bits....I am clinical social worker..London ..UK..keep the flow
You represent all rc pilots we are all in this together. Do not let the FAA split us down the middle. Together we are all stronger. I'm a fpv pilot and build my own quadcopters. I use tiny whoops to teach building and flight to my grandkids club scout troupe.
Last year I built one of those Walmart glider conversions and I had an absolute blast with it and my flying spot is right across the street in a big field next to the elementary school (The kids aren't allowed to go on that field because it isn't a part of the playground) but one day the principal was out with the kids and he saw me flying. He came over and brought a whole gaggle of elementary kids over and they just loved my plane. I was there doing barrel rolls, loop D Loop's, inverted flying, and low level passes, the excitement from the kids was one of the purest things I ever felt. After I landed all the kids were looking at the plane and asking questions about what each part did and what was so special about it/ what its functions were (so many questions) and I noticed as I was walking away they were running back to the playground with their arms out pretending to be airplanes. Makes me wonder how many of them will want to fly RC, or even become pilots just off of what they saw that day.
You guys represent the crux of the RC hobby. To see what you've accomplished, and the number of people you've affected, is to understand very clearly how devastating it would be to see the rules represented in the NPRM be adopted as currently proposed. I hope they listen to you and come to their senses.
Just wanted to thank you guys, i wasn't even aware of this until yesterday, i've added my comment and sent this to several of my model aviation friends. Thank for what you do!
Excellent video guys!!! Very well spoken. Thanks so much to all of you at Flite Test and guys like Rich Baker, Chris, the RC Geek and many others to name a few that have stepped up to try and get the FAA to rethink these regulations which will destroy this great hobby so many have come to love over nearly a century of Areo modeling and flying. PLEASE....EVERYONE WHO LOVES THIS GREAT HOBBY....reach out to the FAA and let your voice be heard, these guys can’t do it all, every voice counts!!!! Lets keep this great hobby alive and growing for everyone to enjoy. Thank you.
my comment Dear FAA NPRM Team I'm 40 years of age and have had a life long association with the hobby and spent untold hours learning aerodynamics and other related sciences from it. I have worked extensively in manufacturing of remote controlled airships to include camera and payload types, as well as advertising types ...many you may have seen flying indoors at major sporting & music events like the ducks and the LA kings, Beatles ,led zepplin and more. As boy with the hobby and the wonderful freedom that flight gives the first project i built with my father was a rubber band powered plane with white glue and balsa wood,...weeks to build, flew that in the front yard like a million times. Then on to gas powered planes on a string control handle, this got real hands on with dad ... flew that about 20 times till the motor wore out, did this in the local baseball diamond. no one ever got hurt. Next was hand built 6' balsa and tissue rc glider, took months of paper plans, glue, balsa and measuring and cutting, I hand launch ed this as hard as could be at our local small school yard, flew that first r/c in circles there many times over 3-4 summers safely with friends. i was 7 when it was built Then for my state report in 5th grade, i got the principle of my elementary school let me launch my hand built rocket in front of the whole school of 300 or so kids. after i demonstrated to him that i taught myself and understood all the aerodynamics involved... i picked Utah out of the hat, they tested rockets there in Utah...flew that rocket at the local grammar school from my home built launch pad ... principle smiled ....he did so safely.... next was my teens and my 40 size rc trainer glow engine plane.. safely flew that at a construction lot down the street on the weekends. I gained 4 channel flight experience and the appreciation for the inner workings of gas motors too. At little older and i found some great memory's with friends & my uncles enjoying the hobby ,I built them a huge p-51 mustang .. it dropped flour bombs...really wowed a crowd. But, with this big guy also went AMA fees and i had to pay yearly due at a local field. everything already cost so much after all the expense we could only fly it a few times a year. after a while i begun to missed the progression of my aerodynamically learning ... My professional life i got hired into big advertising, we did giant inflatables. I took over all helium flying stuff. I used my aerodynamic experience and sciences to make giant flying r/c airships. i made impacts on millions of peoples faces, planting a seed of love for aviation and all things that fly in our youth along the way. my list goes on, but all my wonder and freedom to explore sciences and technology keep bringing me back to this hobby. Professionally we easily flew over the top of 30,000 seated people every flight, multiple times a night ,some times with 2 airships at the same time... and more than 1 pro team at the same time. exposing up to 100,000 people to r/c flight in one evening. we had not one problem or issue , not one person hurt ever. i did answer lots of happy questions from little boys and girls.. the current NPRM will flatten all the inroads young and economically challenged have at gaining these experiences i have been lucky enough to have. 1. carrying the cost penalty on our wallets and weight burden on our aircraft will destroy the hobby flat out smack down 2. the current trend of government normalizing the gathering of our data is not ok , furthermore having this data being actively made available to other agency's or the public with out expressed written consent i.e warrant is also a no go ,not ok at all move. creating a uas airspace above the 400' mark this space would require commercial drones to have to carry the advanced tracking and advanced control.. (this class of airspace would be like the freeway for drones) with set departure ramps/and on ramps... Thus allowing under 400' to remain as is with no changes for the hobby except that r/c hobbyist give way to commercial drones as well as manned aircraft such as helicopters already, but do this for commercial drones too. please utilize phone apps that can just be turned on or off when the flight is done... hobby people are more than happy to let you know when they are flying with an app. but we do not want to go buy limited and or heavy/expensive gear and carry that around on our craft. Our hobby has spawned so many of the latest advancements and i hope the FAA would want to encourage it to grow. please FAA be a driving force in helping our country lead the world allowing us to experiment build and fly Please FAA bring manufacturing back to the USA by ushering in a new era of love for aviation and aviation creation manufacturing and flying by rewarding the hobbyist Stunting the growth of aviation and possibly growth of USA uas industry in this new era of micro aviation is possible with this NPRM
FAA, please listen to what these guys to have to say !!! Using the UAS Data Exchange (LAANC) makes so much sense. We already have it, it works, and it is inexpensive. FTCA, Thank you so much for presenting a sensible solution ! We don't need to destroy the wonderful model aircraft hobby that has had such a huge positive impact on the lives of millions of other people. As a Community College Instructor who teaches STEM classes with model aircraft to students of all ages, I have seen how the model aviation has provided enormous inspiration, education, and fun, and has brought together family and friends for over a century. Please don't let fear ruin and rule our American life even more than it already has !
"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness " is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence. The phrase gives three examples of the "unalienable rights" which the Declaration says have been given to all humans by their creator, and which governments are created to protect. I feel that the proposed rules as they are is a direct violation of our "unalienable rights"
Fantastic explanation of our hobby and the intent behind it. Thank you for all you guys do to promote safety and affordability. I got my start in flying in unfinished subdivisions with roads but no houses. Plenty of those around in 2008. I have since graduated to joining a club with great facilities, but not everyone has that option. I am also a pt 107 holder with multiple drones that I fly responsibly.
I just can't tell you how much I appreciate this effort. If anything would sway the FAA this would be it. Sadly I don't think anything will and our last chance will be in the courts if anyone is even willing and able to challenge this at that level. I'm bracing myself to buy all the parts I can over the next two years or so.
I am an old pilot of light aircraft and models. I have watched the FAA choke aviation sport and industry for 50 years. My message to the FAA: you are traitors to the freedom of flight.! My message to pilots: The FAA will never back down. You must push back much harder. Flite test guys are great! thank you!
Thank you flight test family! You guys seem to find the words to say the things that matter to all of us. Some of us sometimes simply cant ,thanks again for your commitment and dedication to our wonderful way of life. Also theres two (simply's) in there for ya Josh! Lol
It absolutely makes me sick that people who are in charge of legislating laws that will control and possibly destroy our hobby could be so completely ignorant of what We do who we consist of and how this benefits the future of our country. Bless this video and thank you
Posted my comment yesterday and this video was just a video version on my comments. This video is exactly what was needed and truely thanks for being the face of all of us. Wow 98% of us are pilots. Thanks for sharing the results.
Thank you for all you're doing to help fight this guys! I just shared this on my FB page and suggest everyone else do it too, while we still have time to push back!
Wow! Amazing video. You were able to demonstrate what I have been struggling to put into words. I really hope the FAA takes the time to watch this. This has got to be the best way to demonstrate what the majority of the hobby is all about.
Sure wish I had a smart phone. I will never have one though because I'm one of the many retired people on a fixed (weak) income. This video is one of your best and most important, good work Flite Test for showing them our numbers and activities! Some will get to fly others will get squeezed out, and it boils down to money.
I am one of those DIY, backyard/park fliers! I used the link and commented to the FAA. I can't say anything Josh didn't already say better, I just wanted to raise my hand as part of that big group of pilots he was talking about since it sounds like we need to work on making ourselves known.
Very well done! We all know that the reason for the regulations is due to the increased use of UAS in the private sector for business purposes as well as the improvement of autonomous flight technology and its availability to the public which may be not well educated. We also aren't stupid. When we see that your panel of 35 members includes 34 commercial interests and 1 hobby interest that represents 14% of model aviation, we know that it is all graft driven. We aren't stupid.
I can't imagine a better video to represent the engagement, ethics, and scope of our community. Thank you so much for your positive focus and your efforts to help us work with, not against, the FAA in keeping our hobby compliant without restricting us out of existence.
Compliance is by definition, a restriction! I'm not attacking you personally, I'm just pointing out how much they have normalised government overreach to the point that thinking "as long as you COMPLY you are doing what is right".. this is how all tyrannies derive their power over the ppl.
-=-=-=-=-=- NO NO NO, NOT "EVERYBODY HAS A SMART PHONE", I really wish people would realize that just because the people YOU know have smart phones, that not everyone has them. In our area a smart phone cannot get any signal, and we certainly cannot afford the monthly cost of one especially when we can't even use it. Not everybody lives in a big city, the largest portion of land has NO cities, and services can be extremely limited in rural areas which cover the MAJORITY of the USA.
@@aldenhauser9555 Born in the summer of love [1967], I was building and flying in the early 80s. I remember when Futaba became a thing, it really changed things and made it so much easier and just that bit more affordable and allowed me to get into it [beyond uncontrolled flight].
Jill Kitten this is so true. I have a smart phone but I live out in the country where there are miles and miles of open fields. Its ludicrous that I would have to declare my location. No one freaking cares! And it’s just so Amazon can have all the air space in case they have a delivery to my neighbor a mile away. The faa doesn’t seem to realize how much air space there is in this country. They are happy to shut it all down.
A HUGE thank you for this video, your input to the FAA, and ALL that you do!! You are setting an awesome example. Keep it up please! (From another aviation professional, FAA-licensed drone pilot, and drone resource producer)
Fantastic video. I think you described everyone of us involved in this great hobby. Can't think of a better way to reach out to the regulators who have the best interests of our great nation at heart but need a proper awareness and education of just what this great hobby has to offer to it's people. Keep up the great work. You guys have become great spokesman as well as leaders and role models.
Im flying model airplanes since the mid 1980s without incident. Its my hobby and my life and I love it. I do not want anyone or anything to take this away from me. Its just so much fun and enjoyment and very rewarding.
Sent! love to keep the dream of the hobby alive. I really enjoy casually flying with my brother in our local park. Its a small easy hobby for us and we would like to keep it casual. Over broad regulation sucks
this hobby is great me and my son nephews all of use love these planes and love flying them with each other we understand that you cant fly rc plains near airports and stuff but..this hobby helps them to stay off the streets and get them into something better than getting in trouble .. its something positive for them...
As a commercial/instrument rated helicopter pilot, RC aircraft location is very valuable information to help avoid collisions. Helicopters often operate at low altitudes away from airport locations, so the chance of a collision with RC aircraft is higher than for most fixed wing aircraft. If the suggestion in the comment info about an app based solution were to be implemented, there could possibly be benefits for manned aircraft pilots and RC pilots at the same time. If RC pilots would use an app to log their location and intended altitude range for their flight just before launch, maybe a way could be engineered to get that info into the ADS-B system that manned aircraft are required to have onboard. The RC aircraft could be shown on the cockpit display as another aircraft that is a hazard. It might also be possible to have the app alert the RC pilots of nearby manned aircraft operations, or flight restrictions based on their location (class of airspace, TFR, etc...). Thanks Flite Test for representing us in your interaction with the FAA.
Love your channel I started watching your channel a few years ago and you guys are the main reasons I got back into the hobby after being away from the hobby for 20 years. I love this hobby. Thank you Jim Finderup Canada
What a great video. Thankful for Flite Test and the passion and energy you bring to the hobby. It’s been fun to watch the evolution over the last few years and now you’re at a point to represent the community and shape the future. Godspeed!
Your points touched pretty much all the same bullets I listed in my letter to the FAA. But because I fly FPV quads, I could only address the fixed wing and rotor wing flyers from the perspective of someone who could related to their situation. The same goes for the STEM programs. Even though I have no kids or know any STEM teachers, I felt it still needed to be said. However, color me skeptical but I don't see the FAA really being all that concerned about the financial hardships of us hobbyists when it comes to having to drive long distances to a fixed site or having to pay membership dues. I live in very congested southern California about 20 miles south of LA. The only two fixed sites are over an hour away. One of them has an area for drones but I think it's just racing. There are small parks around my area where I can fly but that's generally during the week if I take off of work. Parks on the weekends are crazy packed. Except for one that takes about 45 mins to get to. That one is always a good spot to fly.
When all this burdensome government regulation becomes law, I`ll just be flying under the radar all the time. Outlaw r/c pilot. That sounds kinda sexy huh. lol
I have been in the hobby for over 50 years, my grand father was one of the earliest rc modelers in America, he was the one that got me into the hobby. I am disabled and live on a fixed income if the FAA imposes all the new rules and regulations that are being proposed I would no longer be able to enjoy a hobby that I love it would be cost prohibited .Please don't kill our hobby it has done more for the advancement of aviation then anything else and it would be criminal to deny this hobby/sort to Future generations. LET US FLY!
I love the LANCE idea. As a form of protest, perhaps Flite Test could co-ordinate every subscriber to declare there back yard or local park as a flying site "at a specific time and date". If nothing else we would quickly learn if the system can cope with the quantity of inputs.
Well done guys , I hope someone of importance or influence with in the FAA sees it . You two are pioneers in this hobby , the reason I got Into it was you two and Flite test . I'm sure I speak for many people when I say we truly appreciate it and thank you for all you do
Amazon is likely the biggest push behind this as they are considering drone delivery, and it is to their advantage to dominate the drone air space, and keep it all to themselves. So far I have seen no compelling evidence that there is any real issue to their claims of danger. By the numbers, the model and drone flying hobby has been the safest activity even related to this, how many deaths have you heard of due to someone flying a model plane, this whole thing is a bunch of BS for some giant corporation to buy government intervention to eliminate the rights of all the individuals. We SERIOUSLY need to get money out of politics.
I just did their survey,...: This was the text I used: NOT EVERYBODY HAS A SMART PHONE! I really wish people would realize that just because the people YOU know have smart phones, that not everyone has them. In our area a smart phone cannot get any signal, and we certainly cannot afford the monthly cost of one especially when we can't even use it. Not everybody lives in a big city, the largest portion of land has NO cities, and services can be extremely limited in rural areas which cover the MAJORITY of the USA. These regulations have a certain absurdity to them considering it would basically eliminate the majority of the land mass in the USA and the fact is people live out there, there is NO land in the USA that is not owned, but to eliminate the majority of it is just absurd especially considering that the model flight hobby is already the safest thing even related to the airspace. Where my property is there are no real services, no DSL, no cable, no fios, no xfinity, no nothing, and those coverage maps that the cell phone companies provide are a joke and do not even come close to the reality. I get to use a computer in the nearest city about 30 miles away and that is because it is a business that has to pay the ridiculous cost of satellite internet that most people out here cannot afford [other than the fact it is mostly slow and useless, especially for video]. Consider how many people will be eliminated just because you are unaware of their existence just because they are not on the internet, the premise of this whole thing is ridiculous and absurd as it clearly is not considering the hobby use of the largest amount of land in the USA.
I have to imagine there is a profit motive behind the proposed geofencing regulations. New requirements which demand new equipment. Id be curious to see the intersection of who is donating to FAA related organizations, and who will manufacture geofence enabled products.
Thoughts: For the limited class, it's not only the cost and weight of flight controllers, GPS units and such. You also need to be able to program them correctly. They are not just plug and play and if used incorrectly, they might result in uncontrolled flyaways. LAANC has a problem if you don't have cell coverage or Wifi around. A lot of the regulations and suggested solutions are very problematic for international visitors like me.
Recently I've been planning to get in to RC flying for the first time. In light of recent proposals from the FAA my future in RC fun may be over before it starts. I feel bad for families and education groups who find so much positive in getting together to build and fly. My fear is that the Government has already made up their mind and lobbying for change won't get far but we need to try anyway. Join these guys, as I have, and let your voice, your story be heard. We might just make a difference.
Nice job guys, and yes please dont forget about us glider pilots that share the skies with eagles and our thermals are usually over 4oo feet but within visual line of sight. Once again nice job!
It is along the same mindset that brought us the full-scale ADSB system. In standard category full-scale planes it is mandatory to have a full time broadcast ID system. In that context it makes sense for a mutually displayed ATC readout on each-plane's screen(if equipped.) In models it makes no sense. Unless you are at the base of a runway to an airport an RC plane will not threaten any manned aircraft.
Amazing. I haven't seen people so passionate about something in a long time . I commend you all and I hope you get what your asking for and I support you all I got your backs . RC on great job
Wow! What a very well thought out synopsis and solution. Surely this presentation took quite a while to put together as meaningful as it is. Thank you so much for being a huge advocate to the model aviation community!!!!
I am a real pilot, I have enjoyed model aviation for over 60 years. The FAA has been apart of my life and has NEVER impacted my enjoyment of model aviation. Regulation is a part of life. Because of the technology advancements far beyond sight and fly, something has be done to rein in the hobby.
Just sent mine in, I have been watching you guys for years and yall are truly a wealth of knowledge. I hope this doesn't go as they plan because flying is something that I love like no other
Non-compliance will be the new norm if this passes.
I hope Josh understands this and turns FliteTest into what we need. No way I'm telling anyone when I fly. I am not traveling to fly.
@@MrScooter46290 I don't think Flight Test wants that either. I think they put that in the video as a sort of middle ground. Legislation will probably happen but hopefully it'll be less impact on the hobby.
Yep
Welcome to the 2A fight😞
@@flip66five just what I was thinking. Hunting too. You take away hunters, conservation money goes away and the poachers come in.
The FAA really needs to tell Amazon to bugger off already, and I'm glad you lot are working so hard to convince them to do so. We have been a non-issue for nearly a century now and the advent of DJI drones has not changed that. There is no safety issue, no grounds to push us out of the airspace.
Any new regs aren't grounding me, though. I will fly anyway. I'm not putting geofencing or GPS on my models either way. I'll just fly outlaw. I'm not letting Amazon tell me I can't enjoy this hobby.
I completely agree with you. What Amazon wants to do should not be allowed at all and should not even be considered. Amazon don't have to abide by the line of sight rule but I can't safely fly my models line of sight? Fat chance that will happen!
I could give two shits what they come up with I will be flying my models safely and away from full size aircraft as I have been since the early 80s without incident!
TestECull: the penny has just dropped... is it young Mr Bezos wanting to deliver stuff by air....... Now it all makes sense.
I'm waiting for an Amazon delivery now! Here in UK nothing is flying in this weather!
So come on Amazon. Think harder, think smarter and don’t p**s off your customers.
Any Amazon drone I see flying near, around, or over me Is going to be knocked down and tossed in my pool.
A potato gun works great for water balloons and nets too
I agree, they can’t just randomly use our hobby for business
@Cerus98 It has everything to do with package delivery because the drivers behind this shit are big corps like Amazon. And what do you think a big corp like Amazon is gonna do with the airspace once they've booted us lot out of it, hrm?
This is not a safety thing. It never was. The whole 'we gotta make the air safer' thing is a ruse, a boldfaced lie told to you so you'll blindly accept whatever bullshit corpo giants like Amazon want.
Tellingly, there's an article on Financial Times about these very big wig CEOs finding our fierce resistance shocking. Now ask yourself this: Why the fuck would they care about our resistance to these proposals if they weren't trying to boot us out of the skies so they could run package delivery with drones, hrm? If it truly was a safety thing they would have no horse in the race and would not care one iota.
Let's not forget about slope glider flying too, none of those planes would even have the option to comply with RID, due to the requirements. And, I'm not aware of any AMA clubs that are slope flying sites. I learned so much about flying, back in the early 2000's, flying slope gliders over the Susquehanna River in PA. It will be sad times if this ruling doesn't have a major overhaul!
Chickies Rock... Woot
Great point
@@Sarahbethcycles Yeah man! Used to spend all the time I could there, till I moved away to work down here in Savannah, GA. Love that whole park for flying and great hiking trails too!
@Milt Farrow Nasa mentioned it in one of their videos too, about preparing for the future of automated personal travel and delivery drones, all the big players are into stealing our hobby out from under us.
Slope soaring is how I learned to fly too. It gave me more room for error flying out in the open.
This hobby has changed my life, my son and I have recently bonded while learning about RC Planes and Planes and Aviation in general. We respect that this is a hobby that has common sense safety applications while in use. We are able to have fun with a limited budget. Changes due to regulations make no sense and in such case would take the hobby away from us or make it so expensive and heavily regulated that it takes from the experience.
There's to many dip shits spoiling it!
@@NathanChisholm041 In one my friend
I'm in the same boat.... Disabled Veteran, Model Aviation (FIXED WING ONLY) is much more than just a Hobby....
I'm a loner. My PTSD makes me unsociable. My beyond meager income makes things that many people take for granted (NO Computer, Printer, or EVEN a smart phone!!), I have NO ACCESS to.
Flying my dirt cheap Foam Core Board Aircraft gives me the ONLY solace in my life!
I live in a very Hobby UNfriendly City. All I've got are Ball Fields and Parks.....
I feel like my enjoyment of the Hobby is being RIPPED out of my hands.
THE REAL CULPRITS are Amazon, Microsoft, and a few other big companies, who will score BIG profits from the elimination of us "Hobby Pilots".
Easy answer non compliance they don't have enough personnel to enforce there rule and most police don't give a rats ass about flying model planes when crime rates are increasing ever year
The FAA.....Ruining dreams since 1958
Thank you for everything you guys are doing for us. I'm so glad FT represents guys like me. I have never felt welcome at AMA fields. Y'all are making history. Happy flying guys!
NOT TRUE, Fly through fpv OR without a spotter how do they treat you at those overpriced overreglated AMA fields?
What are they doing? They talked about making rules and what they do...
It’s incredibly inspiring and heartening to see you guys standing up for our hobby and our passion! I’m am so grateful to you for all you are doing! Stay strong and keep it up! We will keep our models flying!
Absolutely nailed it guys and you did it in such a positive manner. Well done.
Gathered data, presented findings, showed examples discussed possible solutions. Awesome job! Now that the horse has been brought to the water, will he drink?
@@michaelwayland4421 That is a point well made sir. However this fight has just begun. I would urge everyone now to start writing to their congressman/woman and senator about this. This has to be nipped in the bud immediately.
Thank you for what you are doing, as the FAA trying to take our own back yards from us is unforgivable. (400 foot and below belongs to us).
Yes, and the wording of the new proposed rules say it still will be.
@Sasha Kruse Grim I linked the proposal in another thread and the pertinent exceptions. But, basically the laws aren't changing much except to put ID equipment on larger craft (those over 250g)when not flown at AMA sanctioned airfields. Aircraft over .55 lbs already need to register if a kit or prebuilt. Mostly from what i read it's designed so they can keep track of Amazon drones making deliveries.
@@RPSchonherr So you are willing to go along because you just.. Trust them? What could possibly go wrong right? Lol. Government is run by angels who never deceive and always have our best interests at heart after all. /s
Wake up dude.
@@weeral1 Not a matter of trust. Most of it is already law that you are either following or not. I'm just pointing out that the difference seems to only be the new requirement for ID equipment on larger aircraft and that there may not be a reason to panic. If you want Amazon and Walmart to deliver your packages by drone then the law has to change to make it possible. I really don't think it's going to be the "end of the hobby" like people are saying.
@@RPSchonherr Robert Schuster
Well assuming they will enforce it, I think it is a big deal indeed. And you are in the minority. Most everyone who is seriously looking at this is worried... unless you want to assume that tons of people who aren't just don't comment.. "Not a matter of trust". OK what would you call hoping expecting or having faith that they won't be strictly enforcing this on the rest of us.. But only on amazon etc.? Sure sounds a lot like trust to me. Unless you prefer the word "naive". But if it is that, you would never see that is was, so... Yep.
Thank You Josh, Alex and the crew at FT, who are totally committed to our hobby, and are fighting extra hard to maintain the freedom we have enjoyed for so long. God bless you all!
I applaud your efforts and sincerely hope the FAA will watch and recognize the folly of their current NPRM. Unfortunately the government is tone deaf and doesn't respond to their overseers, us. Thank you for taking the lead on protecting our hobby. With any luck at all someone will wake up and fix this and let part 107 control the commercial drone activity and leave the rest of us alone!!
Dear guys at flight test my name is Gary and I have been building and flying planes and rockets for over 50 years and I want to thank you for your efforts in this struggle. You are so very right about many of us. This hobby is a very personal thing it's about being American and an individual. While flying with a group is sometimes good many of us want to fly alone. At ordered flight parks you have less freedom, you get less air time. It's nice to just take your plane out to a park or school yard and fly. God bless you guys
You are doing an amazing job for educating people about making model planes and drones.
I'm not a Modeler and I dont fly but I love your videos. I love the passion you have for your hobby. I didn't know how great your support system is for others entering your hobby you guys rock.
Fight the good fight
With one voice 1.5 million followers stand up and be heard.
Not to mention most AMA fields don't allow multi-rotors... And there is absolutely zero need for anyone but me to know I am flying in uncontrolled airspace.
More and More do and more will!
Agreed with all but the need for anyone else to know. Tell someone else if they flying in the same space... but seriously, i hate that so many clubs don’t allow multi rotor... unless its on a wing...
@@spartan3299 AMA fields I fly helis and planes at have many FPV guad flyers. Even have race tracks set up for FPV
Not to mention that flying an FPV quad in an open field is boring, except when you're first starting out. The regulations won't stop people from doing it. They'll just brand a ton of pilots as criminals.
I’m crying... keep fighting you guys. This is ....heart, heart, heart
Thank you guys! You hit on everything I did in my comment to them, and like you, I love the idea of any system that allows us to designate our own area (maybe with a time window) for when and were we will be flying. I'm fortunate enough to have a small 6 acre farm to fly at, but not everyone does, and if they can log into an app on their phone and designate the park or soccer field as a flight site for 2-3 hours or however long, would be great for all sides. Compliance would be easily accomplished, and the FAA would meet their mandate for information without unnecessary or burdensome costs like the ones you outlined for dues, travel, insurance etc for the too few, over crowded, and expensive AMA flight clubs.
Thank you again for all you do, and for stepping up to help be a face for all of us. Together we are strong.
Excellent points made guys. Thankyou so much.
The Flite Test community was fundamental in assisting me in to the most rewarding and enjoyable hobby Ive ever had. A friend gave me two gasser planes which helped ignite the interest but it was the simplicity and fun that I saw in the Flite Test videos that helped me overcome fear of crashing and begin to fly rc models. Today, thanks to your community I fly with my son who is a teacher here in Australia, and is using the stem program which you created. I also enjoy new friends and fly different model types including gassers. Thankyou again.
Thank you Josh for hopefully informing the FAA about the big picture involving our hobby. I did write to my senators here in Florida and the FAA this month. I also did your survey a couple of days ago. I see a few R/C pilots are upset about the possibility of needing a smart phone to use the laanc app but that certainly looks like the best alternative to the extreme proposals suggested by the FAA. I never miss your videos wondering, "What are they up this time?" I just turned seventy-three and have been flying about five years now. My first R/C plane was a Bix 3. Keep up the great job you are all doing there and thanks again for this video to the FAA. Tom Luck in The Sunshine State.
Hats off to you guys from the UK. So far we in the UK have got away with these regulations comparatively lightly. I put this down in part to the response to the the Government by model flyers and in the main by our BMFA working together with the CAA. The result is that whilst, yes we are regulated, BMFA members are currently exempt form a lot of the restrictions of non members. So far, we have no Geo tagging but do have exclusion areas, mainly around Airports and Built Up Areas. Under 250g you are still free to fly where ever. Keep up the good work!
I posted yesterday, thanks for the links. That's the problem where I live here in West Central Florida just north of the Tampa Bay Area is there's one designated flying site that's not too too far of a drive, but I don't always have my car (wife works, I'm disabled) and time to get there. If I were to fly here, in my small yard or local park so many people would complain and or call the police...I cannot afford tickets and fines. I only fly small quads now because of this. I miss my sport night flying plane, was so much fun to relax and forget about my migraines. Thanks again. Live free and fly responsibly. Keep up the awesome work ladies n gents.
I live in America. I wont comply with authoritarian laws or rules. #imfree #withoutavictimtheresnocrime
Most of us won't, that doesn't help the Flite Test guys when it comes to keeping their jobs.
@@mrb2917 it's their private property. Nobody has a right to tell them what they can do on their own property. Nobody can tell them they cant sell their products. It's called being free, "one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all". That sums it up, the FAA isnt my god so I'll keep doing my thing as everyone else should. They only get power if we give it to them.
Nate B Agree but property and airspace are two different things legally. Ran into this back in like 1978 when my dad tried putting a 75’ antenna on top of our house for a radio.
@@AnthonySpencer well I call bullshit as I've built towers for the past 8 years anything under 190ft requires no licensing from the FAA or FCC.
@@LuckyStarExcavation Honestly anything under 1000 AGL shouldn't be any of their business. Unless you're right at the end of a runway or landing pad it will never be a concern.
Josh and company have been doing an awesome job. Personally I think they are doing more than the AMA when it comes to getting new blood into the hobby. The original Flite Test videos are what got me to take the leap and get into the hobby. Initially with a "Bat bones" multirotor kit, and now a Tiny Trainer and a Simple Storch. Even though I do have other models (a couple of Bixlers ;) ), I do enjoy building their kits as well. When you guys get your CBO status you will definitely have my name in the ranks! Keep up the good work!
I cannot be more proud to be part of this amazing community. All you hear about is negative things happening in the world and all the drama around it. This is a very healthy community that empowers people to accomplish something positive. People are learning real life skills everyday. I really wish the comment period could be pushed back until after Flitefest so the FAA could come and see the magic first hand. Even as a member, it blows me away each year. FAA please don't hurt such a positive and thriving community of passionate doers. The US and the world would be a little worse off if that happens.
Thank you, it sounds like your perspective would be valuable in the form of a FAA comment if you haven’t left one already.
At last a reasonable and workable alternative suggestion to the FAA's crazy ideas. It's one thing criticising the FAA but its heaps better to come up with an alternative solution that will satisfy the FAA concerns about the hobby. I just hope the FAA are going to be watching this video and that they will pay attention to it! Keep up the good work guys!!
I’m grateful there are groups like FT that help support aviation enthusiasts and their families! Governmental agencies are also supposed to support basic human rights...The FAA should not only keep air space safe, but also help foster a resilient community that appreciates this amazing spirit called flight! I believe LAANC has been valuable, and is an economic tool providing regulations that can keep air traffic safe, without stealing these experiences and dreams from Americas future generations....
thank you. As someone who lives in rural Montana where the nearest designated flying site could be 50- 100 miles away we have to do what we can to enjoy the hobby. Model aviation has been one of my many interests for over 30 years and it should remain what it is, a simple hobby.
My Dad passed away in 2008. We were both big aviation fanatics. We enjoyed building plastic model kits together and flying RC. This hobby helped us bond in ways that nothing else could. I enjoyed the time I spent with my Dad. I can't explain how or why, but when I fly RC, I feel like I am still making a connection with him. PLEASE, do not take this away from me.
You guys are great to work with a government that can’t figure out how to deal with mass shootings of children. This hobby is already self regulating. And it would self regulate itself more if given the opportunity. I fly over the Pacific Ocean. And when I lose contact, an autonomous robot chooses the path that I set up prior, and it flies back to me. No one is in danger. Keep up the good work fellas!
Al Ortiz: I can’t help but agree with you. Now how about you got the NRA to support the FliteTest guys??? Nobody gets in the way of the NRA - That’s said in my best Charlton Heston voice.
Awesome. I'm Canadian but it is so nice to see a Champion emerge to lead the fight to keep our hobby alive! Ultimately what happens there will surely happen here.
Anyone else’s get goosebumps watching how they have touch our community
Thank you Flite test!!! could not have said it any better!!! PLEASE FAA PLEASE LISTEN AND DO NOT RUIN THIS AWESOME HOBBY FOR US!!!!! USAF VETERAN!!!
Being ex military, you should know the government doesn't respond well to pleading for anything.
This is our hobby so Protect it! We don’t want to let the Faa destroy it and the creativity, clubs, connections and fun with it. We are very grateful for you guys and all you have done for us. Thank you Flitetest
I'm not even in your country but I just had to say what a marvellously expressive and hugely supportive case for your hobby.
Just an idea to focus on those F-16 pilots and senior DoD members who can remember it was the excitement of their childhood that sent them on a career path to protect and serve for your country. So all you USAF drivers (we’ll let the Navs and RIOs in too) get in touch with the FAA and support this.
Good luck from UK.
Josh / Alex / Team,
I just wanted to thank you for what I have seen to be an effective campaign of messaging, education, lobbying and community rallying calls. I hope the FAA is both listening, understanding and are willing to stand up to what I imagine are powerful political and commercial lobbying groups.
Like most people who are passionate about all the dimensions of the aviation world I recognize that the FAA is a force for good - but desperately needs help, from all quarters. I hope yours, and other approaches, were able to remind them that we, as a diverse group, can help them in a material way.
NOTE: I am sure you have probably recognized that with the current enormous scope of the definition of a 'UAS' - the FAA have created a massive and diverse group of A/C and Operating conditions to be managed and "integrated". I have got to be believe by subdividing this UAS group, applying suitable RISK / IMPACT assessment for each sub group ( and ignoring not the media hyperbole / distortion) the FAA would have more flexibility to treat ours/ other causes with more understanding / latitude AND would stand a better chance of keeping the community on their side!
Love the passion and the energy,
Thanks guys,
Martin
Posted my comment months ago. I've been flying Rc since 1979! That's 41 years of friends helping me, and passing the torch to new flyers. RemoteID cannot happen as it exists now on paper. I hope this doesn't fall on deaf ears.
I heard you but might as well be deaf with such a overwhelming amount of people that don't understand the options our ours and we dont need to make rules, just say no!
Have you posted your comments Scott?
@@williamdecker3989 No. This is a shame that it wasn't ignored by everyone. Looking to make themselves regulated and want to be a part of something. It makes this hobby elusive for these goodie two shoes backstabers.
You can't overstate the skill and creativity this hobby fosters. Thank you for representing the diy hobbyists that don't fly at AMA fields, but farm fields.
I support you both....you both have a deep connection...kindred spirit.. Do not lose it...been following your channel over 7 yes...love Josh to bits....I am clinical social worker..London ..UK..keep the flow
You represent all rc pilots we are all in this together. Do not let the FAA split us down the middle. Together we are all stronger. I'm a fpv pilot and build my own quadcopters. I use tiny whoops to teach building and flight to my grandkids club scout troupe.
Last year I built one of those Walmart glider conversions and I had an absolute blast with it and my flying spot is right across the street in a big field next to the elementary school (The kids aren't allowed to go on that field because it isn't a part of the playground) but one day the principal was out with the kids and he saw me flying. He came over and brought a whole gaggle of elementary kids over and they just loved my plane. I was there doing barrel rolls, loop D Loop's, inverted flying, and low level passes, the excitement from the kids was one of the purest things I ever felt. After I landed all the kids were looking at the plane and asking questions about what each part did and what was so special about it/ what its functions were (so many questions) and I noticed as I was walking away they were running back to the playground with their arms out pretending to be airplanes. Makes me wonder how many of them will want to fly RC, or even become pilots just off of what they saw that day.
You guys represent the crux of the RC hobby. To see what you've accomplished, and the number of people you've affected, is to understand very clearly how devastating it would be to see the rules represented in the NPRM be adopted as currently proposed. I hope they listen to you and come to their senses.
Just wanted to thank you guys, i wasn't even aware of this until yesterday, i've added my comment and sent this to several of my model aviation friends. Thank for what you do!
Excellent video guys!!! Very well spoken. Thanks so much to all of you at Flite Test and guys like Rich Baker, Chris, the RC Geek and many others to name a few that have stepped up to try and get the FAA to rethink these regulations which will destroy this great hobby so many have come to love over nearly a century of Areo modeling and flying. PLEASE....EVERYONE WHO LOVES THIS GREAT HOBBY....reach out to the FAA and let your voice be heard, these guys can’t do it all, every voice counts!!!! Lets keep this great hobby alive and growing for everyone to enjoy. Thank you.
my comment
Dear FAA NPRM Team
I'm 40 years of age and have had a life long association with the hobby and spent untold hours learning aerodynamics and other related sciences from it. I have worked extensively in manufacturing of remote controlled airships to include camera and payload types, as well as advertising types ...many you may have seen flying indoors at major sporting & music events like the ducks and the LA kings, Beatles ,led zepplin and more.
As boy with the hobby and the wonderful freedom that flight gives the first project i built with my father was a rubber band powered plane with white glue and balsa wood,...weeks to build, flew that in the front yard like a million times.
Then on to gas powered planes on a string control handle, this got real hands on with dad ... flew that about 20 times till the motor wore out, did this in the local baseball diamond. no one ever got hurt.
Next was hand built 6' balsa and tissue rc glider, took months of paper plans, glue, balsa and measuring and cutting, I hand launch ed this as hard as could be at our local small school yard, flew that first r/c in circles there many times over 3-4 summers safely with friends. i was 7 when it was built
Then for my state report in 5th grade, i got the principle of my elementary school let me launch my hand built rocket in front of the whole school of 300 or so kids. after i demonstrated to him that i taught myself and understood all the aerodynamics involved... i picked Utah out of the hat, they tested rockets there in Utah...flew that rocket at the local grammar school from my home built launch pad ... principle smiled ....he did so safely....
next was my teens and my 40 size rc trainer glow engine plane.. safely flew that at a construction lot down the street on the weekends. I gained 4 channel flight experience and the appreciation for the inner workings of gas motors too.
At little older and i found some great memory's with friends & my uncles enjoying the hobby ,I built them a huge p-51 mustang .. it dropped flour bombs...really wowed a crowd. But, with this big guy also went AMA fees and i had to pay yearly due at a local field. everything already cost so much after all the expense we could only fly it a few times a year. after a while i begun to missed the progression of my aerodynamically learning ...
My professional life i got hired into big advertising, we did giant inflatables. I took over all helium flying stuff. I used my aerodynamic experience and sciences to make giant flying r/c airships. i made impacts on millions of peoples faces, planting a seed of love for aviation and all things that fly in our youth along the way. my list goes on, but all my wonder and freedom to explore sciences and technology keep bringing me back to this hobby.
Professionally we easily flew over the top of 30,000 seated people every flight, multiple times a night ,some times with 2 airships at the same time... and more than 1 pro team at the same time. exposing up to 100,000 people to r/c flight in one evening. we had not one problem or issue , not one person hurt ever. i did answer lots of happy questions from little boys and girls..
the current NPRM will flatten all the inroads young and economically challenged have at gaining these experiences i have been lucky enough to have.
1. carrying the cost penalty on our wallets and weight burden on our aircraft will destroy the hobby flat out smack down
2. the current trend of government normalizing the gathering of our data is not ok , furthermore having this data being actively made available to other agency's or the public with out expressed written consent i.e warrant is also a no go ,not ok at all move.
creating a uas airspace above the 400' mark this space would require commercial drones to have to carry the advanced tracking and advanced control.. (this class of airspace would be like the freeway for drones) with set departure ramps/and on ramps...
Thus allowing under 400' to remain as is with no changes for the hobby except that r/c hobbyist give way to commercial drones as well as manned aircraft such as helicopters already, but do this for commercial drones too.
please utilize phone apps that can just be turned on or off when the flight is done... hobby people are more than happy to let you know when they are flying with an app. but we do not want to go buy limited and or heavy/expensive gear and carry that around on our craft.
Our hobby has spawned so many of the latest advancements and i hope the FAA would want to encourage it to grow.
please FAA be a driving force in helping our country lead the world allowing us to experiment build and fly
Please FAA bring manufacturing back to the USA by ushering in a new era of love for aviation and aviation creation manufacturing and flying by rewarding the hobbyist
Stunting the growth of aviation and possibly growth of USA uas industry in this new era of micro aviation is possible with this NPRM
Thank you Flite Test!!
Thanks for everything, guys! From the free plans to this and everything else!
FAA, please listen to what these guys to have to say !!! Using the UAS Data Exchange (LAANC) makes so much sense. We already have it, it works, and it is inexpensive.
FTCA, Thank you so much for presenting a sensible solution !
We don't need to destroy the wonderful model aircraft hobby that has had such a huge positive impact on the lives of millions of other people. As a Community College Instructor who teaches STEM classes with model aircraft to students of all ages, I have seen how the model aviation has provided enormous inspiration, education, and fun, and has brought together family and friends for over a century. Please don't let fear ruin and rule our American life even more than it already has !
"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness " is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence. The phrase gives three examples of the "unalienable rights" which the Declaration says have been given to all humans by their creator, and which governments are created to protect.
I feel that the proposed rules as they are is a direct violation of our "unalienable rights"
A valid point however the purpose of these rules is to stop those with malicious intent.
Excellent!!! Thank you guys so much for everything you've done.
Fantastic explanation of our hobby and the intent behind it. Thank you for all you guys do to promote safety and affordability. I got my start in flying in unfinished subdivisions with roads but no houses. Plenty of those around in 2008. I have since graduated to joining a club with great facilities, but not everyone has that option. I am also a pt 107 holder with multiple drones that I fly responsibly.
You all are a class act. Thank you for representing this community it such a professional manner!
I just can't tell you how much I appreciate this effort. If anything would sway the FAA this would be it. Sadly I don't think anything will and our last chance will be in the courts if anyone is even willing and able to challenge this at that level. I'm bracing myself to buy all the parts I can over the next two years or so.
I am an old pilot of light aircraft and models. I have watched the FAA choke aviation sport and industry for 50 years.
My message to the FAA: you are traitors to the freedom of flight.!
My message to pilots: The FAA will never back down. You must push back much harder.
Flite test guys are great! thank you!
Thank you flight test family! You guys seem to find the words to say the things that matter to all of us. Some of us sometimes simply cant ,thanks again for your commitment and dedication to our wonderful way of life. Also theres two (simply's) in there for ya Josh! Lol
It absolutely makes me sick that people who are in charge of legislating laws that will control and possibly destroy our hobby could be so completely ignorant of what We do who we consist of and how this benefits the future of our country. Bless this video and thank you
Posted my comment yesterday and this video was just a video version on my comments. This video is exactly what was needed and truely thanks for being the face of all of us. Wow 98% of us are pilots. Thanks for sharing the results.
Thank you for all you're doing to help fight this guys! I just shared this on my FB page and suggest everyone else do it too, while we still have time to push back!
Wow! Amazing video. You were able to demonstrate what I have been struggling to put into words. I really hope the FAA takes the time to watch this. This has got to be the best way to demonstrate what the majority of the hobby is all about.
Thank you Josh Alex and the flitetest crew for representing us the small back yard pilots. Your video describes the community very well.
Sure wish I had a smart phone. I will never have one though because I'm one of the many retired people on a fixed (weak) income. This video is one of your best and most important, good work Flite Test for showing them our numbers and activities! Some will get to fly others will get squeezed out, and it boils down to money.
The FAA really didn't know who Flite Test was? How does that even qualify as doing their jobs?
I am one of those DIY, backyard/park fliers! I used the link and commented to the FAA. I can't say anything Josh didn't already say better, I just wanted to raise my hand as part of that big group of pilots he was talking about since it sounds like we need to work on making ourselves known.
Very well done! We all know that the reason for the regulations is due to the increased use of UAS in the private sector for business purposes as well as the improvement of autonomous flight technology and its availability to the public which may be not well educated. We also aren't stupid. When we see that your panel of 35 members includes 34 commercial interests and 1 hobby interest that represents 14% of model aviation, we know that it is all graft driven. We aren't stupid.
I can't imagine a better video to represent the engagement, ethics, and scope of our community. Thank you so much for your positive focus and your efforts to help us work with, not against, the FAA in keeping our hobby compliant without restricting us out of existence.
Compliance is by definition, a restriction!
I'm not attacking you personally, I'm just pointing out how much they have normalised government overreach to the point that thinking "as long as you COMPLY you are doing what is right".. this is how all tyrannies derive their power over the ppl.
@@AdamCourville ... pretty sure this isn't quite on the level of the Gestapo, but you do you, friend.
Pro tip: background music is supposed to be in the background.
-=-=-=-=-=- NO NO NO, NOT "EVERYBODY HAS A SMART PHONE", I really wish people would realize that just because the people YOU know have smart phones, that not everyone has them. In our area a smart phone cannot get any signal, and we certainly cannot afford the monthly cost of one especially when we can't even use it. Not everybody lives in a big city, the largest portion of land has NO cities, and services can be extremely limited in rural areas which cover the MAJORITY of the USA.
Jill Kitten how old are you?
@@aldenhauser9555 Born in the summer of love [1967], I was building and flying in the early 80s.
I remember when Futaba became a thing, it really changed things and made it so much easier and just that bit more affordable and allowed me to get into it [beyond uncontrolled flight].
Jill Kitten ok interesting
Jill Kitten this is so true. I have a smart phone but I live out in the country where there are miles and miles of open fields. Its ludicrous that I would have to declare my location. No one freaking cares! And it’s just so Amazon can have all the air space in case they have a delivery to my neighbor a mile away. The faa doesn’t seem to realize how much air space there is in this country. They are happy to shut it all down.
A HUGE thank you for this video, your input to the FAA, and ALL that you do!! You are setting an awesome example. Keep it up please! (From another aviation professional, FAA-licensed drone pilot, and drone resource producer)
Just added my comment on the FAA site encouraging the use of LAANC instead of Fixed Sites. Thanks Flight Test for everything you do!
Fantastic video. I think you described everyone of us involved in this great hobby. Can't think of a better way to reach out to the regulators who have the best interests of our great nation at heart but need a proper awareness and education of just what this great hobby has to offer to it's people. Keep up the great work. You guys have become great spokesman as well as leaders and role models.
Im flying model airplanes since the mid 1980s without incident. Its my hobby and my life and I love it. I do not want anyone or anything to take this away from me. Its just so much fun and enjoyment and very rewarding.
THANKS FLITE TEST! YOUR PASSION FOR THIS COMMUNITY IS AWESOME!!
I appreciate all the hard work you guys do for this hobby thank you guys very much
Sent! love to keep the dream of the hobby alive. I really enjoy casually flying with my brother in our local park. Its a small easy hobby for us and we would like to keep it casual. Over broad regulation sucks
this hobby is great me and my son nephews all of use love these planes and love flying them with each other we understand that you cant fly rc plains near airports and stuff but..this hobby helps them to stay off the streets and get them into something better than getting in trouble .. its something positive for them...
Comment sent....I also referred FAA to ya'll and stated I concur with your analyses and comments. Thanks for what you are doing.
As a commercial/instrument rated helicopter pilot, RC aircraft location is very valuable information to help avoid collisions. Helicopters often operate at low altitudes away from airport locations, so the chance of a collision with RC aircraft is higher than for most fixed wing aircraft. If the suggestion in the comment info about an app based solution were to be implemented, there could possibly be benefits for manned aircraft pilots and RC pilots at the same time. If RC pilots would use an app to log their location and intended altitude range for their flight just before launch, maybe a way could be engineered to get that info into the ADS-B system that manned aircraft are required to have onboard. The RC aircraft could be shown on the cockpit display as another aircraft that is a hazard. It might also be possible to have the app alert the RC pilots of nearby manned aircraft operations, or flight restrictions based on their location (class of airspace, TFR, etc...). Thanks Flite Test for representing us in your interaction with the FAA.
Love your channel
I started watching your channel a few years ago and you guys are the main reasons I got back into the hobby after being away from the hobby for 20 years. I love this hobby.
Thank you
Jim Finderup Canada
What a great video. Thankful for Flite Test and the passion and energy you bring to the hobby. It’s been fun to watch the evolution over the last few years and now you’re at a point to represent the community and shape the future. Godspeed!
Your points touched pretty much all the same bullets I listed in my letter to the FAA. But because I fly FPV quads, I could only address the fixed wing and rotor wing flyers from the perspective of someone who could related to their situation. The same goes for the STEM programs. Even though I have no kids or know any STEM teachers, I felt it still needed to be said. However, color me skeptical but I don't see the FAA really being all that concerned about the financial hardships of us hobbyists when it comes to having to drive long distances to a fixed site or having to pay membership dues. I live in very congested southern California about 20 miles south of LA. The only two fixed sites are over an hour away. One of them has an area for drones but I think it's just racing. There are small parks around my area where I can fly but that's generally during the week if I take off of work. Parks on the weekends are crazy packed. Except for one that takes about 45 mins to get to. That one is always a good spot to fly.
When all this burdensome government regulation becomes law, I`ll just be flying under the radar all the time.
Outlaw r/c pilot. That sounds kinda sexy huh. lol
It shouldn’t be illegal
I have been in the hobby for over 50 years, my grand father was one of the earliest rc modelers in America, he was the one that got me into the hobby. I am disabled and live on a fixed income if the FAA imposes all the new rules and regulations that are being proposed I would no longer be able to enjoy a hobby that I love it would be cost prohibited .Please don't kill our hobby it has done more for the advancement of aviation then anything else and it would be criminal to deny this hobby/sort to Future generations. LET US FLY!
I love the LANCE idea. As a form of protest, perhaps Flite Test could co-ordinate every subscriber to declare there back yard or local park as a flying site "at a specific time and date". If nothing else we would quickly learn if the system can cope with the quantity of inputs.
Thank you guys for standing up for us, I was shocked how horizon hobby blamed multi-rotors
Great job guys! Thanks for representing our community in a knowledgeable way.
Well done guys , I hope someone of importance or influence with in the FAA sees it . You two are pioneers in this hobby , the reason I got Into it was you two and Flite test . I'm sure I speak for many people when I say we truly appreciate it and thank you for all you do
Thank you Flight Test for all the effort you have put into this issue. Let's hope it makes a difference.
Don't tell me there is NOBODY at the FAA that is a modeler and can explain to the rest of them what airmodeling is all about... C'mon!
Man, I've been saying this too.
FAA knows. They are not stupid. Remote ID is being pushed by DHS, DOJ and DOD...through the FAA.
Amazon is likely the biggest push behind this as they are considering drone delivery, and it is to their advantage to dominate the drone air space, and keep it all to themselves. So far I have seen no compelling evidence that there is any real issue to their claims of danger. By the numbers, the model and drone flying hobby has been the safest activity even related to this, how many deaths have you heard of due to someone flying a model plane, this whole thing is a bunch of BS for some giant corporation to buy government intervention to eliminate the rights of all the individuals.
We SERIOUSLY need to get money out of politics.
Yep they are using FliteTest as propaganda pushers. This is all wrong! I will never fall in with this, I'll fight this the best I can.
I just did their survey,...:
This was the text I used:
NOT EVERYBODY HAS A SMART PHONE! I really wish people would realize that just because the people YOU know have smart phones, that not everyone has them. In our area a smart phone cannot get any signal, and we certainly cannot afford the monthly cost of one especially when we can't even use it. Not everybody lives in a big city, the largest portion of land has NO cities, and services can be extremely limited in rural areas which cover the MAJORITY of the USA. These regulations have a certain absurdity to them considering it would basically eliminate the majority of the land mass in the USA and the fact is people live out there, there is NO land in the USA that is not owned, but to eliminate the majority of it is just absurd especially considering that the model flight hobby is already the safest thing even related to the airspace. Where my property is there are no real services, no DSL, no cable, no fios, no xfinity, no nothing, and those coverage maps that the cell phone companies provide are a joke and do not even come close to the reality. I get to use a computer in the nearest city about 30 miles away and that is because it is a business that has to pay the ridiculous cost of satellite internet that most people out here cannot afford [other than the fact it is mostly slow and useless, especially for video]. Consider how many people will be eliminated just because you are unaware of their existence just because they are not on the internet, the premise of this whole thing is ridiculous and absurd as it clearly is not considering the hobby use of the largest amount of land in the USA.
I have to imagine there is a profit motive behind the proposed geofencing regulations. New requirements which demand new equipment. Id be curious to see the intersection of who is donating to FAA related organizations, and who will manufacture geofence enabled products.
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Thoughts:
For the limited class, it's not only the cost and weight of flight controllers, GPS units and such. You also need to be able to program them correctly. They are not just plug and play and if used incorrectly, they might result in uncontrolled flyaways.
LAANC has a problem if you don't have cell coverage or Wifi around.
A lot of the regulations and suggested solutions are very problematic for international visitors like me.
Dear Lord I hope the FAA actually watches this. Thank you FliteTest for doing this!
Thank you for being the faces for an under represented community and speaking the voice of the voiceless
Keep the free in freestyle
Recently I've been planning to get in to RC flying for the first time. In light of recent proposals from the FAA my future in RC fun may be over before it starts. I feel bad for families and education groups who find so much positive in getting together to build and fly. My fear is that the Government has already made up their mind and lobbying for change won't get far but we need to try anyway. Join these guys, as I have, and let your voice, your story be heard. We might just make a difference.
Best Response I’ve seen! You clearly put a lot of time and effort into this and we the little guys thank you for that!
Nice job guys, and yes please dont forget about us glider pilots that share the skies with eagles and our thermals are usually over 4oo feet but within visual line of sight. Once again nice job!
It is along the same mindset that brought us the full-scale ADSB system. In standard category full-scale planes it is mandatory to have a full time broadcast ID system. In that context it makes sense for a mutually displayed ATC readout on each-plane's screen(if equipped.) In models it makes no sense. Unless you are at the base of a runway to an airport an RC plane will not threaten any manned aircraft.
Amazing. I haven't seen people so passionate about something in a long time . I commend you all and I hope you get what your asking for and I support you all I got your backs . RC on great job
You guys are so smart and thoughtful. I'm proud to share this hobby with guys like you. Thanks for all you do.
Wow! What a very well thought out synopsis and solution. Surely this presentation took quite a while to put together as meaningful as it is. Thank you so much for being a huge advocate to the model aviation community!!!!
I am a real pilot, I have enjoyed model aviation for over 60 years. The FAA has been apart of my life and has NEVER impacted my enjoyment of model aviation. Regulation is a part of life. Because of the technology advancements far beyond sight and fly, something has be done to rein in the hobby.
Just sent mine in, I have been watching you guys for years and yall are truly a wealth of knowledge. I hope this doesn't go as they plan because flying is something that I love like no other
I hope you didn't say you are okay with tracking or anything else that doesn't make anybody safe.