Damian Lillard is NOT CLUTCH *HEATED Debate*
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Marz and Ticket is like Goku and Frieza teaming up 😂
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@@ramabelemodiga8404 Facts! They was cooking but man, they came a long way to reach this point 😂😂😂
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@@ramabelemodiga8404hell no lol
The marz and ticket tag team name,
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Marz turned heel
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Comparing marz to Lamar is nasty work 😂
@@alecboulton3537 Marz is Kobe, Ticket is Lamar
Kobe and Ron Artest
Dame is one of the more clutch players in the league but he can't be at the top of that list for me. He's just never been under that kind of pressure in his career. He's always played in a small market which I realize has more disadvantages than advantages but one of the few advantages would be the lack of outside noise. Never has he been under any type of pressure to win. It's always okay when he loses. He's underappreciated for his successes but also rarely scruitinized for his failures.
Guys like Bron and Steph can have great playoff runs and it wouldn't matter if they had 2 bad games in the finals and lose and that's the standard for them. Dame has never been at that level. I'm not saying that he wouldn't perform on that stage if he ever got there but I can't take it for granted that he simply would. Maybe he gets to Philly or Miami and we find out.
What kind of paint chips you eat?
So bringing an add franchise to the playoffs isn’t clutch ? Ending teams playoff seasons on one shot isn’t clutch ?
@@Daluslonal No other all time great player is given flowers as a clutch player for simply making the playoffs. I did say he was one of the more clutch players but hitting a big shot in a first round playoff series in a tie game with a 3-1 lead at home? And nobody would have said nothing if he'd lost.
The stakes have never been that high for Dame. He's never had anything to lose, only everything to gain.
He can hit big shots and so you can say he's clutch, but to be in the coversation for being the clutchest, you have to have faced the kind of pressure that all time greats do.
@amrithbharadwaj4945 Dame closed out 2 playoff series with a buzzer beater my dude. With respect you don't seem to no his career well enough to have a relevant enough opinion.
@@Mechamjr88 And you don't seem to have actually read my comment. I didn't say he hasn't hit big shots. I said he has never had any real pressure, the stakes were never remotely as high as it has been for some others.
He has never had a decent playoff round in his career outside the first round. He has given up more double digit leads in second half of playoff games than total wins out of the first round. Despite the two buzzer beaters, if any other superstar had his playoff resume, they would get killed by the media but not Dame. He has never been scrutinized for his failures. How can you say he's anywhere near as clutch as LeBron who has consistently been miles better in the clutch with all the weight of expectations on his shoulder and a legacy to protect every single game?
Im with Market. Dame got like 3 great playoff series and they’re ALL in the first round. What he did vs NOP in 2018 was embarrassing
"Market" is nasty 😂
THE MARZ TICKET TEAMUP IS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR!
Never expected it
In that Denver series, Dame had 1 good, and maybe 2 decent games. Dude shot like crap for the series. 25ppg on 40/29/79 splits is atrocious.
And thats not his worse
@@Warriors2022... he's had entire playoff runs worse than that series. He gets more hype for not doing anything than almost any other star player.
@@remnant8898 facts
@@remnant8898 There are people out there that swear he's on Currys level....not even close.
@@Warriors2022... Dude isn't even in the same neighborhood, let alone level as Curry, and that's no knock against him, but he's overrated considering how ppl view him.
😂😂😂 they just say anything in the offseason
Marz is crazy dawg 😂😂😂😂
Marz and Ticket is the forbidden partnership 💀
Watching Marz go from Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader is the potential that Ticket has been grooming him to be lol
Lol
Damn Marz cooked here.
Ticket in debates
When someone agrees: Just yells and praise the person
When everyone disagrees: Just speaks nonsense
Marz & Ticket is the "deadly alliance" 😂😂
Is marz wrong? Dames playoff number's is terrible
Dame had the second most clutch points in the 2019 playoffs, second best 3-point shooting average, and like 4-6 steals in the clutch. Check the stats each year
@@pandabear1576 he had that until it mattered
He averages 26 ppg over 6 assists and over 4 rebounds in the playoffs if that’s terrible than literally 99% of the league is terrible in playoffs 😂😂😂
@@noadviceplease7489 I do t think he was terrible but in comparison to the same we see on a nightly basis in the regular season he wasnt that good either, my point is, there is nothing clutch about hitting game winning or tying shots, in the regular season and the first of a off series. If that was the case we would have a long list of clutch players
@@pandabear1576 In that same playoffs, Dame had back to back double digit halftime leads against GS and in the 2nd half of those games shot a combined 6-22 from the field and 4-14 from 3. Game 4, Portland had an 8 point lead going into the 4th quarter, Dame shot 3-11 combined in the 4th and OT of that game.
Marz & Ticket new duo brothers of destruction or tom & jerry ✅😭
CJ really carried Dame in that G7 vs the Nuggets in 2019. The Blazers was down by double digits in the game & CJ was the one leading the charge & carrying the team back.
Everybody keeps saying Dame didn’t get enough help but he had a CJ who carried the load in playoff series when Dame struggled & that’s a luxury to have
You’re absolutely trippin if you think cj carried the load that series 😂😂 did you even watch the series/playoffs for the blazers? If you think he was getting shut down in that series then you should prolly go back and watch it instead of going off what your favorite TH-camrs say 😂 throughout that whole playoffs he was the best player on his squad. Imagine if we talked about curry getting carried in every game 6 because of klay? That shit wouldn’t make any sense right? Like chill said, he was a big reason why they won that series and made it to the conference finals, No dame in the first place, no playoffs for the blazers, you can’t deny that at all
Since when is Cj being a good scorer help ?? That be what confuses me in these arguments. They have 3 non scorers in the starting lineup. No shooting what so ever almost on the whole roster outside of dame and CJ. It’s the playoffs, I’m leaving aminu and harmless open all night. Meaning it’s gonna be much harder on Dame and Cj. That’s not help
@@11credible In that G7 Dame scored 13 points on 3-17 and CJ scored 37 on 17-29 shooting. If that’s not help, I don’t know what is. If CJ didn’t score that 37 in that G7, the Blazers aren’t advancing to the WCF
@@anthonycelestin3559 y’all just listen to reply huh ????? Cj can score 50. If the other team is the dictator based off what you have on the floor it doesn’t matter. If we put 3 people on dame then of course his numbers can be lower. Cj going 1on1 with sorry ass year 3 jamal Murray of course he’s gonna have a good game 🤣. Dame always gotta go a harder route cuz it’s hard to get people to play in Portland. Enes freedom, harkless, and aminu is not a good enough core around dame to get it done. End of story
You cannot be serious
I argue that being clutch is best seen in you being the reason your team is in the most optimal position to win. Speaking strictly for number one options. For example, I believe Curry is in his most clutch state of play when he was the main reason the Warriors were beating teams in 3, sometimes 2, quarters. Whether it be scoring or facilitating or both
Curry has still hit 9 gane winners in the last 10 seasons...The most in the NBA....Thats with under 3 secs left
@@Warriors2022...post your source please bc I cannot confirm this
@@2cents250 Orlando, Boston, Dallas x 3, OKC, Clippers, Rockets.....Thats 8.....And the one that tied The Pelicans for OT in the playoffs....so 8.5....
@@2cents250 TH-cam "Every Curry Game Winner". It shows all of them in a 2 minute clip.....There is your source....But I heard it on ESPN....
Mars and ticket masterclass
Big O just chillin 😂😂😂 know he got something in the chamber
“Why can’t we accept that Steph Curry was just better than Damian Lillard?”
2019 WCF (4 Games)
Damian Lillard averaged 22, 5 and 8 on 37% shooting from the field, with nearly 5 turnovers per game. And shot 7-23 (30%) In those 4 quarters the team blew.
Let that have been Harden or Chris Paul and Grill town, along with most delusional NBA fanboys wouldn’t be done talking about them!
Dame gets shat on for that 2019 WCF series all the time on Twitter. Especially now when nba writers are saying fans and the team owe him in this trade process.
@@pandabear1576 correct but Grill town in this very video is trying to minimize it by saying, “Steph is just better” when that’s not the whole story!
@@bondsgoat25Steph is better
@@TheSwagIsBack much better but dame still shat the bed
Steph was facing a week Portland defense dame was being defended by elite warriors defenders that’s why the discrepancy in their numbers was so large
Buzzer beaters are one of the worst indicators of clutch
Not if you have a lot of them, Big Shot Rob prime example. Derek Fisher another one
@@Nedo_aoeven with a lot it’s still a bad indicator. The NBA’s criteria is final 5 minutes in a 5 point game. That’s the indicator and it’s the best one for me of story.
@@pandabear1576Saying a player with a lot of buzzer beaters is a bad indicator is probably the stupidest thing i’ve heard today.
@@biggsav7802 it is . That's just a shot. Clutch performance is measured with the last 5 minutes of a game while the score is close. You used Fisher and Horry as examples as if they just hit buzzer beaters. They were hitting shots well before the final buzzer. Find another player
@@asundelgun3487 I said that, atleast get the mention right my guy. It has multiple layers to what is clutch. It's a lot of players that can get you to the final shot and they can't deliver on the final shot, it all factors into what is clutch not just the last 5mins. The last minute is just as important.
Dame is a big shot maker but Jimmy has to be the most clutch in the league currently. Clutch to me is putting the team on your back and willing them to win. Jimmy does whatever he can within scheme. Shooting, playmaking, rebounding, or defending
Exactly. It's not just about the last shot. Kyrie and Dame can't be considered as clutch just because they hit 1 or 2 big shots. Neither of them have been very successful in the playoffs since hitting those shots anyway.
Clutch ain’t jus shot making
He can’t play defense. So if he ain’t shot maki g, what else does he do
Been sayin clutch does always mean the last shot. Sometimes it means having a great game in a big game/ series. Like lebron in 2013 game 7 when he hit a bunch of jump shots
Marz is not wrong
Dame not as clutch as y’all think , he just got a few shots clutch shots in the 1st round… dame the only “superstar” with no expectations or pressure to win
PC should do an official tag team debate Mars and ticket v chill and dub. I’d get that on pay per view!
Seated for a Marz and Ticket TV grill session
Saying dame isnt clutch is arguing just to argue. Dame SHOT bad yes but he still had a triple double he had impact on the game
Now we need the top 10 clutch players
This is my type of content lol
We, tag team partners 😂😂 What is this world coming to where ticket agrees with Marz lol
Kobe went 6-24 in game 7 of the 2010 finals and got bailed out by Ron Artest and nobody mentions that part
As a Nuggets fan they dead lying saying Dame don’t get praised for that series. All we here is Dame lead them to the conference finals
Saying dame ain’t clutch after literally sending multiple teams home is nutz
Dame is clutch in the reg season and first round, but after that.... nahhh, he had like 4 chances to be clutch and close out the 2019 KDless Warriors, but failed every time. He's clutch, like top 3-5 clutch in the NBA, but after the 1st round, Steph Curry is more clutch than him.
Marz be barbecuing Lub😂😂😂
Marz n Ticket da Voice nd da Hero😂
Marz and ticket cooking for the whole city
Ticket got some beef with chill I love it
I question if people actually understand the game.
Again Marz is getting confused with having the best team to being clutch, to say dame is not clutch shows his lack of understanding and questionable knowledge Dame literary lost every single starter after having the best offensive and made it farther in the playoffs the year after if the game is close Dame is the guy you want with the ball there’s a reason in the western conference finals the warriors doubled and tripled him every time he touched the ball
Dame drops severely overall in the playoffs.
How can he be clutch when he made the conference finals,and couldn't win a game down No KD, Portland up double digits every game, but couldn't win a game not one this was the moment when he shouldve been clutch
Not only double digits. 17+....Thats huge in play off games
Not to mention people say Harden is a bad playoff performer because he couldn't beat a full strength Warriors team in game 6 and 7 without an injured Chris Paul
@@adrianpheiffer9960 Because the Rockets were up by 14, at home, in game 7, and proceeded to miss 28 STRAIGHT three pointers. With Harden going 2-13....He choked.
That’s a wild ass fucking take to say 🤦🏿♂️😭
Dame is clutch just totally wrong debates like this is why I had to step away from this channel
Against the warriors in 2019 Damian Lillard was trash
Marz cooking and Ticket cosigning lol
5:33 now I see why bro left 😭😭
Are they just looking at playoffs only?? Regular season games don’t count I guess smh
The way people view basketball sometimes just be crazy if Dame is being dbl and blitzed all series long clearly the other teams scheme is make the others beat us not Dame hence why his role guys seemed to be playin well enough to win the series Dame is 6’2 being dbl teamed by big wings the reason steph being dbl teamed has lil affect on his game is because he plays off ball and has the luxury to play off ball it’s like people either don’t understand or don’t consider the schemes and Xs and Os of basketball on both sides Dame struggled against warriors literally because they blow up Pnrs by switching and then trap out of the pnr wit players like Klay, Draymond and iggy at the time we literally seen mavs do the same thing to book that game 7 they beat em
He has the highlights...
Jordan and Kobe not gonna be too happy to hear y’all talking shit about players taking a ton of shots to get points lol
Marz don’t even got a lining. Can’t tell me what clutch is. 😂
I always assume ppl who blindy give props to Dame without hearing out the opposing argument are casuals
Marz leveled up to super sayian
OX just chilling
He's from Portland, ain't he? Must be just another day for him.
Who gives a damn about a shot to send home a non contender (OKC), when Portland have been a non contender for as long as Dame been there 🤔
These guys are so desperate for clicks… I’m done with them
Marz the Kenny to Ticket’s Hakeem
Told u they can’t mess with ticket and mars together especially don’t let LOW come in with them on bs niggas getting cooked overly 😂😂😂
Everytime I watch Portland Dame he in a overtime or a buzzer beater situation..Dame shot selection also is poor as well he pulling up from mid court for no reason at all like it's a all star game sometimes I sit back and think is he the reason why they always in a late game situation or need a buzzer beater shot to win games playing hero ball ..I think he hurts the team more then help due to the poor shot selection he makes same goes for Luka ball hogging azz too
Question for Marz. Can you name some players more clutch than Dame?
Dont want to
Clutch performers are players that get it done in the 4th quarter
Not according to chill......according to him , lebron....i mean ....dame made big shots during the meat and potatoes (aka middle) of the game. 😳
Marz the new Ticket smh
he's not lying though..
These guys arguing against dame completely missed the context that Dame was getting double and triple teamed. 😭
In the WCF, there’s whole videos about the Warriors game plan to double team Dame. Denver did the same thing.
Marz uses that logic about shots for Dame but never uses that for anybody else. Terrible.
Thank you!!
But all great scorers go through that. You are missing the context that Dame needs a greater player than himself on the Blazers to be able to beat the more elite teams. Dame is not a #1 on a championship team, he's utterly useless when not scoring. In the history of the NBA, only one small combo guard has led his team to a title, that would be Steph Curry, and Dame never has been on that level. Even if you gave Dame a great defensive support cast around him, he still would falter against elite defenses. Dame needs to check his own ego, and realize he at best is a #2 on a legit title team. His scoring is all he has, primarily his hot n cold shooting, but once he's off with his shot, he provides nothing else, and his defense is horrendous. It's why him and CJ always got cooked by Steph and Klay, because Steph and Klay actually played some defense.
@@QuestionEverything562 well that was just a completely biased take. For the record, Curry has only won championships when he has played alongside 3-4 HOF players. Dame has never had that luxury. Let’s take 2021 for example. When Klay Thompson was not there, Steph couldn’t even make the playoffs. That was the first time since early on in his career where he had an average team, and he couldn’t do anything with them. He averaged I think 32 points per game (just like Dame this year), and they missed the playoffs even when he still had Draymond, Poole, Kerr as a coach, etc.
This notion that Curry has carried below average or average teams to chips is just completely and utterly foolish. His own teammate Draymond even has hinted at the fact Curry needs him. 😭
If you put Dame on those GSW teams, they would probably still win some rings. Especially with KD there. There’s no hate for Curry here, but you guys build him up to be something that he just isn’t. When his team was not shooting well in the second round this year, guess what, he couldn’t do anything. Dame has been dealing with this his whole career.
@@QuestionEverything562 and for the record, Dame is much better at playmaking then Curry. Let’s not even go there.
@@mr.getrighhttt3433 lmao, but Curry play makes without the ball wayyyyy better than Dame's passing. Don't even go there son lol.
Right now i would be most comfortable taking Joker in clutch over anyone.He shocked me these play-offs.Dame is clutch overall i think but not the best
ALSO MARZ DISRESPECTING CJ BECAUSE IF CJ WAS ON HIS OWN TEAM WOULDVE BEEN AN ALLSTAR
CJ MCCOLLUM= BRADLEY BEAL
Dub really does not know ball
Thats not crazy to say
Too much Dame hate
he leads in clutch shots man
Marz bar and Ticket master😊
That Denver Series was bad like Bad Dame pulled a James Harden disappearance on that one But Difference Between Him and James Is James Can Lead A Team At Least To The Conference finals . We let this bubble hype go on for To Long outside of shooting Deep 3s real good Dame has not done anything that stands out . I remember a few years ago he was crying about being a all star. If we being honest Dame Is A 2nd option like A Scottie or Dwade Dame as A First Option is never goin to lead you anywhere outside of scoring.
I don't consider Kyrie to be clutch.
Marz is capping saying he was the worst defender on the floor, dude is great at playing the passing lanes, of course he isn’t locking anyone down 1 on 1 but guess what? CJ was getting cooked by everyone too 😂😂😂 also, cj took more shots that dame in the 2019 playoffs but didn’t average as much? If you actually watched every blazer game (not a lot of people do since it’s such a small market and most casual fans could care less about the conference semis) you would see every game was game planned to slow dame down, what is he supposed to do if he’s getting doubled off a screen every time? In game 7 he shot a big bulk of his shots in the first quarter alone, being a smart coach, stotts started using same as a decoy and running cj off ball screens while Dame was getting doubled. Sure dame doesn’t get to the conference finals without cj but there’s no way in hell the blazer make it out the first round let alone make it to the playoffs without dame
He took more fga,FTA still come from scoring attempts so ignoring that discrepency is laughable,also yes dame gets superstar defensive coverage and cant perform like a superstar against it. you are proving the point
@@MarzTalksSportsI haven’t watched yet so I’ll see what u were arguing but ahead of time I don’t think it’s fair to say Dane isn’t clutch because of things 4+ years ago. He’s had ELITE clutch seasons since then and the 1 playoffs he was in he performed in moments his team needed him
@@MarzTalksSports superstar coverage is literally made to slow a superstar down? It happens to almost every superstar, curry in game 6 of the 2019 finals? CJ having just about as good as a playoff run as dame makes since if you look at how the blazers were structured, their starting 5 consisted of enes canter, aminu and harkless… in playoff basketball don’t you think teams aren’t gonna give a shit if any of those guys get going? Game 1 of that nuggets series they let dame go off for 39, if he doesn’t drop 39 in game one do they even make it to a game 7? Prolly not. I understand that we can’t really put dame up there with Steph, bron, jokic etc but to claim he isn’t clutch is craaaazy talk
@@Michael-vw4cg Yes and dame gets slowed down more than most
@@MarzTalksSports I guess you could say that? I didn’t see the full segment but did y’all speak on who you thought is a much better clutch player than dame? (Bron of course but anyone else?)
Marz and Ticket are right. Dame has not been clutch after the first round of the playoffs. It is just a fact.
Lol terrible take Marz
Marz is foolish
Dame is clearly clutch
Hes clutch in reg szn and 1st round of playoffs
Dame is a clutch player, he's just not one of the most clutch players we have.
Dame attempted 5 more shots than both Jokic and Murray that entire series lol CJ attempted 20 more shots than Dame
This is mjs fault for putting up high standards.
*If Dame is so clutch, why hasn’t he clutched his way to an NBA Championship? 🤡*
Hell his team still trash tho he anit have a team that could win it all
@@markjordan5478 ok so he isn’t as clutch as you thought he was. Great way to go around what I said
Dumbest logic possible
Dub is the worst panelist after Lamont.
Dame clutch only good for 1st gear. 😂😂😂
I haven’t watched the video? But Dame is definitely clutch
Marz is moving the goalpost
We know who really not clutch at all . Steph Wardell Curry !
This man has choked in the biggest stage many times ?
The Finals !!!!!
I would flame anyone of them when it comes to basketball. Only one would give me a run is ticket because he spit alot of facts but the rest of them r trash because theyre resding off stats and doesnt know how to disect the game. Chill saying bron is better than kobe is bs. He act like bron doesnt get alot of open court buckets and doesnt realize his percentages drop in a half court set than says iggy didnt lock up bron and he was getting double when he wasnt. They swear curry is a top 10 player when he as good as iverson hes just put on a great team. Put iverson in this era and his number rises and percentages r higher because of the fouls and no rim protectors.
You guys on this podcast don’t have a clue about who’s clutch if Damian Lillard is not clutch the basket ball is not round tell me what Dame time is all about
if paul pierce isnt honest tell me what the truth is all about
@@MarzTalksSports not lying sound like a Trump supporter
@@MarzTalksSports I don’t
I think Dame is a solid NBA player, he’s definitely got game. That said I think the dude is insanely overrated.
He’s looked at as one of the most clutch and best 3 pt shooters in the league. Yet his shooting splits aren’t elite and he doesn’t have that many game winners or clutch moments.
I swear he’s still living off that deep three he made against the Rockets.
The numbers guys dont like dame lol
The winning guys don't either.
Lol Ticket hates Dame now?
Ticket is a double agent that’s why😂😂
he hates dame because dame decided hes not gonna waste his time with a franchise actively going against his wishes
@@chaos5840 Woww 🤣🤣, ticket is sick
yes...yes he does
@@KillingInstinct He used to root for KD now hates on him.
I used to believe Dame was "clutch", but nowadays he's probably not even top 6-8 clutch
Are u drunk?
Lets see that Clutch List
Y’all niggas hear takes on this show and immediately start changing y’all minds about everything lol. It’s ok to think for yourselves. No one ever said Dame wasn’t clutch until Marz said it. Now all of sudden everyone thinks he’s not clutch
Marz takes are terrible sometimes
Clutch shots yes big games no. Which is why he shouldn’t even be top 5 in clutch
Chill is basically lowkey defending lebron. Clutch shots in the middle of the game ? Not the end? 😂 "sometimes steph is just better ".
All these excuses can be applied to lebron.
Literally was coming to comment this same thing
Lol
WTH does bron have to do with any of this lol
Dame has disappointed me for the last 10 years dude is a walking choke job