Thank you for the insane amount of testing on show here, and for breaking it into chapters so I could skip around and watch just the games I'm interested in. Btw - my preferred way to play DESORDRE in 1440p on my 3060ti is with Path Tracing low and DLSS=Performance with the FSR3 mod enabled, which works flawlessly in the game with Path Tracing enabled, but is glitchly in Lumen, for some reason.
Is 8GB VRAM enough in 2024?, easy answer is Yes. I know that cause I actually have one to play all my PC games, and now with the Frame Generation mod I can even play Starfield at the highest settings at 1440p at 90ish FPS with my 3070, another game 1440p, high settings and high FPS is Avatar, the issue in todays new games is not about you need more VRAM the problem is within the game putrid mess of optimization, and developers are just relying in DLSS or FSR scaling methods to fix their putrid mess of developed new games.
Thanks for the effort on doing a bunch of these tests. I was actually planning to upgrade my RTX 3070 to 4070 ti super but decided to just wait for RTX 5000. This video really helps my decision. 8GB VRAM wouldn't be enough on some AAA games with max settings/texture but DLSS tech really helps to lower it down and make it playable.
@@LostUkraineGirl yes sure if you have 4090 without DLSS performance you get beautiful ray tracing,but with let say 3060 or 4060 with ray tracing you will get like 30-40 ish in cyberpunk ? And only with DLSS,you get acceptable performance but upscaling sometimes does not look that good especially if you set it to performance
The VRAM is the main reason I went with 6700xt as my upgrade from the gtx 1070 instead of a 3060ti or 3070. Seemed silly to buy a card twice as powerful but still the same VRAM. And im happy with my choice because i got a new 4k TV and playing games in 1440p/4k regularly use 8-12 gb of vram
It seems to work well in most games, which is great. I have a 3060Ti and haven't noticed any issues so far, but I play at 1080p and mostly on high or optimized settings. By the way, if anyone has a problem with VRAM in RE4R, I recommend turning off RT (it's very subtle and I don't like how shiny Salazar's castle is with it), set shadows to high (looks the same as max, but eats 2 GB less ) and use high (2GB) or high (3GB) textures because at lower settings they sometimes pop in and out while 2GB and 3GB don't.
Hey Fabio, great to see you on Moore's Law is Dead last night. I watched the whole thing and enjoyed your input. Love your channel and appreciate all the hard work you do :D
Thank you! So bandwidth and VRAM are both important, and if a game manages to exhaust both at the same time, that's when you have a problem. So for example, 6700 XT may be low at bandwidth, but its generous VRAM size makes up for a lot of those of the more demanding games. That was interesting to learn. If I said things right, of course.
I also ended up picking up a 6700xt over a 3060ti as my previous GTX 670 4GB lasted me waaaaay longer than it should have with it's extra 2GB of VRAM. It was also like $60 cheaper at the time. I have loved it for the most part. I wonder if Ancient Gameplays would make a quick video troubleshooting bandwidth limited scenarios vs VRAM. I know you can usually see VRAM spilling over into RAM and getting frametime spikes, but I suspect I may be pushing my 6700xt a little too hard in games like Alan Wake 2 and Avatar. Or it could be my SSD in Alan Wake 2. Or it could be some weird other setting in Avatar (especially with framegen on in Avatar). Just weird I get stutters in those games when moving the camera from time to time even though I have a 7800x3D now with it.
The thing with vram spill over is, on some games it won't show any performance hit like fps drop or stuttering, instead game engine will try to lower textures resolution, most people won't even realized this happen if it's not rendering too low to ps2 like textures, and without side by side comparison, the other thing to watch out is frametime pacing, when you max out vram usage it usually become erratic and microstuttering start to occur despite the game still producing enough fps.
@@AncientGameplays i have 8gb gpu, on some games i already noticed textures starting to load slowly even on slow paced games such as BG3 after prolong gaming session, on remnant2 my frametime pacing is erratic and microstuttering happen.
Great to see you Fabio on Moores Law is dead. It was great to see the expanded format really shine a light on your deep knowledge on Hardware and Software topics. Excellent. As an RTX 3070 owner, I got it new long ago for a reasonable price, so will play within it's limits...Will save up for the next gen whilst I enjoy it now. Cheers.
Fabioooooo!!! Great appearance on Broken silicon!!! It felt like I got to chill and kick the sh-t with you for a couple of hours. I think you did a wonderful job of articulating your thoughts and Ideas in English!!!
This really makes me feel proud of myself for managing to make my old 4gb r9 290 last up until 2023. We had our ups and downs but it lasted me a solid 8 years before I had to upgrade. Only time will tell if the 7900xt will be able to last me just as long or (hopefully) longer.
I would love to see 2080ti vs 3070 or 4060ti 8GB. I feel like 11-12GB is perfect for this performance tier. I bought my MSI Gaming X 2080ti used for only $300 around 2 years ago. Still going strong at 1440p with some help from DLSS 😀 Unfortunately used 2080ti prices went up after 8GB VRAM drama in TLOU, Forspoken, etc. I could play TLOU from day 1 without any issues thanks to 11GB of VRAM.
I'm still rocking it with my 5700XT at 3440x1440p. Have to lower some settings though but it still holds strong...havveeee to resist upgrADING 🤣thank GOD for FSR
One of my favorite past times is designing/creating a vehicle in Automation: The Car Company Tycoon Game and exporting and testing/racing the cars in BeamNG. With my prior 5700 XT, the 8GB framebuffer meant I had a slideshow in both games if I kept Automation open in the background when I loaded up BeamNG, so I needed to close Automation after exporting and then open up BeamNG. With my 6800 XT, I can run both games simultaneously and I can just alt+tab between them when I'm testing my builds. 16GB may not be totally necessary, but damn, it sure is nice to have for my use case.
I have the zotac 3070 ti and it's running good I'm happy with it I should be good for next few year's as long as the game's run at 60 fps and on high I'm happy with my 3070 TI
@@AncientGameplays Sorry for massaging in a not formal way. But maybe you could check 23.12.1 and 24.1.1 for new "bugs" too? "Metrics" in adrenaline software report 100% utilization on idle after exiting a game, while windows reports 0%. After some time it reports the utilization properly(in metrics).
The 3070 was a decent card that should of had 12GB instead of 8GB. Just like the 4070 now. I'm curious how accurate the in-game VRAM usage info is. For example would a game really be using 6 or 7GB out of it's 8GB graphics card? I just keep getting flashbacks from when I played The Last of US part 1 on pc. Im sure there is some sort of memory spill. Im sure 8GB cards are fine for most of the 1080p cards, but if I was building a new pc in 2024, regardless of the resolution I would definitely want a minimum of 12GB VRAM. Just like you would want to have 32GB instead of 16... an SSD instead of a HDD... etc etc..
tbf even at 1440p now with cards as powerful as the 4070 super, they get very close to maxxing the 12gb vram. the 4070 super shouldve had 16gb imo. I have a 6700xt too its great and is faster than a 3060ti with more vram so I've been happy with it for 7 months now
@@Definedd Well thankfully in most games ultra is barely different than high settings, so lowering settings will always be an option, assuming you are happy with the native resolution... plus you'll have a smoother game with the additional frame rate. I really believe 12GB is the sweetspot for the moment
@@Ladioz true, for most it will be but for nvidia users who use ray tracing the vram on offer for anything below the 4070 ti super isnt gonna be enough really
I upgraded from 3070 to a 6800XT a year ago beacuse of the VRAM issues. but put that aside, the 3070 still holds its own in most scenarios High-Ultra settings with some DLSS.
4070 vs 3010 10gb would be a great test at 1440p with raytracing and ultra settings too. To see if 10gb is enough for ray tracing in the more demanding games.
1:10:18 I think that 10GB of VRAM should be sufficient for 1080p gaming (if you don’t max out the ray tracing settings). However, for current-gen games with 1440p and ray tracing, the picture looks different. In this case, cards with 12GB of VRAM should be the minimum. I understand that ray tracing can look cool in some games, but for the time being, I am absolutely fine playing the games without ray tracing. Not everyone is a hardcore enthusiast/elitist; there are also people/gamers like me who are happy with less. Sooner or later, I will also upgrade to a card with more VRAM, but for the moment, I should be okay with my RX 6700. By the way, you could also do a test with cards like the 3080 10GB, RX 6700 10GB, RX 7600 8GB, and RTX 4060 8GB. However, only focus on the raster-performance at 1080p (high - ultra) and 1440p (medium to high with FSR/DLSS).
Really useful information for me. Very thanks for so much exstensive testing. I'm just upgrading from 1080 to 3070 and I'm totally happy to see that, with NO RT, it can run smooth almost anything with DLSS quality at 1440p, is it right?
Same will happen to the 4070 in the future. 12 GB will not be enough. 6700XT is still fine today and 3070 struggles. FHD = 12 GB, WQHD = 16 GB , 4K = 20 GB.
My daughter has the Palit 3070 GAMING PRO with a Ryzen 5 5600 (Corsair H45 120mm AIO), 32GB DDR4 3200M/T and WD Blue 1TB Gen x 3 M.2 and it plays everything on ultra or high no problems. If it starts to have issues in the next couple of years then I’ll just turn off Ray Tracing.
Got you on the podcast on one phone and on here on the other.....can't get enough of the comparisons of midrange cards after just upgrading from RTX2080 hybrid to AMD 7800 XT. My 14 day return period just ran out and there was nothing not to like as it runs avatar in 4k at 90-100 fps and looks beautiful. I can only tell the dlss vs Fsr thing in lies of P on the chandeliers as that's what I play most...."rat game" as my little girl calls it look fine with FSR...2080 with DLSS is on the struggle bus at same settings. Borderline unplayable on old card vs 60 at 4k on new card and that's on an old 2700x till I switch it into my SFF where the hybrid 2080 sits
@@AncientGameplays really? i saw a video from HU 6800 vs 3070 or 3070ti on this game and the 3070 was suffering, i think it was on a village! but still, 8gb is defenitelly not enough today.
Спасибо, дорогой друг. Твоё видео дало мне понять, что моя RTX 3070 ещё побегает))) Да, некоторые игры упираются и в недостаток видеопамяти, и в более слабый чип, чем у более современных видеокарт, но DLSS делает свое дело. Да и новый мод по FSR 3 генерацию кадров никто не отменял :-)
I'm still getting by with 8gb for 1440p with my 3060ti that I bought in 2021, but since the middle of last year, I'm increasingly having to tweak settings to work around limited VRAM. Using DLSS Quality or even Balanced, along with lowering texture quality settings are the most useful settings to tweak. You can still squeak by with 8gb for 1440p gaming in new titles, but nobody but should be buying an 8gb card for such a purpose anymore. I'm holding onto my 3060ti for 2024, but I will be upgrading in 2025 when the next generation of cards drop.
Next upgrade I'd recommend the 7800xt for amd or 4070 on Nvidia both around same performance but the 7800xt has more vram I recommend sapphire or power color for amd FE is fine for a 4070 it's good
@@soulhalo7343 Thanks, if I were upgrading to a current gen card, I'd go 4070 Super, but I've decided to hold out to see what the 5060ti / 5070 or its competitors will bring in 2025.
@@drefar4140 I don't think there be a big boost but really anything under the 4070ti is trash but the super is fine be good to get 40s isn't to much better than the 30s there close together some the cards they released is bad value and and overpriced
Good video but I think you should stress test the GPU with the most demanding sceneries games have to offer. In some of the gameplay examples it was clear that the frames dropped considerably when you looked towards a vast open space or during driving in Cyberpunk, some didn't feature this like TLOU and Metro Exodus that only had interior footage which isn't very graphically intensive.
@@AncientGameplays Well we don't know that since the test was done in the tutorial area with not a lot of assets nor NPCs that would need a lot of VRAM especially with hairworks and other stuff.
Thanks to you, I moved to the Red team. AMD's Adrenalin software is definitely much better than the freezing Nvidia interface. The ceremony had to be grand, that's why you chose the 7900xtx
This explains why never ran out of VRAM on my 6700xt. Now, I have turned up the settings in a game and it killed the performance, though I had enough VRAM to spare. Might have been GTA V. Think I was using those extra effect distances or whatever its called. I still wouldn't upgrade to a 4070 with 12GB though, 16gb yes. I watched all the games using RT or similar/relating technologies.
The important thing is to enjoy the game. It is not about competing for frame rates on ultra settings. This is also an encouragement to myself, having purchased a 3070 last year.
This video is excellent. Thanks for the great content. I have a R7 5700x and rtx 3070. Also i9 10900k and rtx 3080 (10gb) model. Request for a video with these combinations. Realistic one for the same era.
Yes 8gb is enough for reasonable people that turn down settings a bit with hardly any visual difference! For the most part even if you have lots of vram on many gru's you need to turn down the settings anyway for reasonable performance!
Back in 2020, 3070 was my first desktop GPU trying to push ultrawide 1440p so I had no clue at the time haha, been gaming on mobile only prior. Playing with OSD, I quickly realized VRAM buffer would become a limitation in the near future. So I took a minor loss and sold it then and paid up the difference on a second hand 3090. In my mind 3080/ti would not really be a lasting upgrade with minor bumps in VRAM Glad I did after all following the 8GB debacle, used 3070 prices tanked
here in india used 3070 go for around 250$ same as rx 6700xt this is just perfect for 1080p with RT sad some big TH-camrs will never correct their old videos where they shit on 3070 because of unoptimized versions game like Hogwarts Legacy 8gb will do for now and its a significant upgrade for my gtx1080
Ehh.. time to upgrade... Honestly I felt bottlenecked with the 3070 even back in 2020 when I bought it at a ridiculous price. I was shocked that I was getting sub 60 frames while games like Control or CP 2077 weren't even maxed out.. :/ I just want to wait and see which card is goint to be better value here in the EU - the 4070 TI Super or the 4080 Super.
The only reason I went with rx6700xt . I was confused between 3060ti and rx6700xt and ordered the rtx one but then changed my mind bc of the vram 😅 . I play at 1440p only, so those extra vram is really helpful and texture quality is more important to me than RT .
I have 7600x , rtx 3070 , cl 30 6000MHz 32GB(2x16) ram. I checked most of the games I don't have to see what fps I'll get when I have them. And I checked the games I have to be sure it is accurete with my fps. Thank you. Suggestion: Use competitive settings (not just low) in games like CS2 ,Apex Legends , The Finals and Cod. Again, thank you so much.
Once again, thank you for this huge RTX 3070 test. just looking at the games that i own ^^ Not in this video, i have only one game with vram issue with my 3070, it's Forspoken, this game need 16Go of vram to run properly in 1440p.
yeah, i've got an SSD NVMe and ReBAR activated, but this game is poorly optimized. By the way, same with the last Star Wars, Hogwarts Legacy and Resident Evil 4.@@AncientGameplays
my 3070 stutters a lot after about 20 minutes playing cyberpunk WITHOUT RAY TRACING on 1080p... and Vram usage its maxed almost all the time, feels bad
True answer is: that depends. Do you care about ray tracing and ultra textures at higher resolution than 1080p? Then NO! absolutely not, dont even think about 8gb cards. But if you want tu turn you settings down to high and sometimes medium and dont care about rt at all , specially in the near future, then just go for it. i would absolutely not buy a 8gb gpu for 1440p monitors, i have a 3080 10gb and i dont even use higher settings and still have problems here and there due to vram... video is kinda biased in that regard, sorry.
Honestly, its just barely enough if u want to play modern titles at decent settings. So no, if you already have a 8GB GPU, you're fine for now. If you're planning on buying a new one though, I'd suggest going with 10 / 12GB cards. If your budget can allow that. Perfect card for 500$ is honestly the RX 7800XT. Great midrange card, and it'll last you. Sense 16Gb of vram.
Hello Fabio. One of the few who can properly overclock the GPU. And as reality shows, the video memory has really run out. Oh Mr. Huang, the memory chips were $2 more expensive, but wait! This is blocked at the driver level! Yes, you can solder 2 gigabyte memory chips and set the logic correctly. But at the driver level you will get a lock. And the GA 104 chip is so powerful that it just rests all the time. Amazing Fabio. But Nvidia will never hand over the driver refinement to the side. The 4000 series of video cards can suffer terribly, especially when people solder 2 gigabyte chips and use the chip completely. Fabio, did you notice by the electricity consumption whether the card was fully working or not? I now have a 3060 ti with gddr6x, if your memory was 16 GHz, then I have 21 GHz and in FHD in cyberpunk, despite the maximum consumption of 265 W, the card consumes only 180-200 W.
Great work 👍 - it helps me a lot because I still have a 3070Ti. But I am waiting until AMD are capable to make a GPU with 150+ CUs, because it is ridiculous to se how slow AMD works and focus on RTX Path tracing.
que buen video, gran seleccion de titulos con gameplay real, por cierto llevas varios juegos avanzados, me vi casi 40min de la hora del video mientras cenaba, la verdad esperaba un rendimiento peor o stuttering y no vi nada de eso, mi proxima gpu 95% seguro que solo tendra 8g de vram, posible rx 5700 o 5700xt por alixpress, es lo unico que se puede con mi presupuesto, actualmente tengo una rx 570 de 4gb, asi que seria un gran upgrade, creo que 8g de vram dan para mucho bajando par de setting, no big deal, lo importante es difrutas, saludos.
Hey felow countryman, just one litle opinion, cause it can be usefull improve your excellent work. Put more racing games on the benchmark, but real racing games, like F1 games, ACC games, etc. I am currently thinking of upgrading to 1440p, mainly cause of Formula one games, or racing games in general. The issue, we racing gamers (competitive) is the imersion needs bigger monitors, and if the resolution is "low" like my atcual 1080p, it sucks lol. Currently i am thinking about update to the rysen 7 7800x3d and a 4070 Ti Super for playing, and cause i need to buy a new motherboard to go from the i7 10th gen (the one without the K), i going to buy a MB dual slot to pair with my current 3070 and use for the extra 2 monitors on 1080p and obs. I'm going to try so maintain my AZZA 360 blizzard and 850W psu. What do you think? But for now, Is my current 3070 pair with i7 10700 able to run F1 23 on 1440p at 150fps at least? As always, GOOD, Awesome, and very useful work. 💪💪💪💪💪
As 8GB VRAM was already proven often insufficient for high end gaming in 2023, a better question: "Is 12 GB VRAM enough for gaming in 2024?" as there were quite a few games that played noticeably better on 16GB in 2023.
12gb of vram is more than sufficient for any current-gen game at 1440p(high-ultra settings and dlss in very demanding games) sure, it can occasionally cause some performance issues in some unoptimized/vram sensitive games. but other than that 12GB VRAM should be fine for most games, especially if we are only talking about the raster-performance. a good chunk of players(except hardcore enthusiasts) don't even play with maxed out ray tracing settings, or they don't even bother at all with ray tracing.
@@earthling1988 not necessarily true; PC Hogwarts legacy at ultra settings struggled in 2023 with anything less than 16GB VRAM, and that's just one example. 16GB VRAM is entry level for new games at ultra settings in 2024.
My son has a 10850k/3080 12gb. He plays at 1080p and turns down settings because he's a gamer and worries about the gameplay, not the graphics. I, on the other hand, am an elitist and want native 4k Ultra 120+fps RTX on in absolutely every game.
Nice video but.. you have OC'd the gpu so it eats 250-260w while stock 3070 eats ~220w so saying "if your GPU pulls less than 230w.." isn't really accurate. I have the 3070 and I see crappy performance when the GPU pulls less than ~180w.
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Hope you guys enjoy this new testing! THanks!
Thank you for the insane amount of testing on show here, and for breaking it into chapters so I could skip around and watch just the games I'm interested in.
Btw - my preferred way to play DESORDRE in 1440p on my 3060ti is with Path Tracing low and DLSS=Performance with the FSR3 mod enabled, which works flawlessly in the game with Path Tracing enabled, but is glitchly in Lumen, for some reason.
Russia waiting your video Fabio 💪
Is 8GB VRAM enough in 2024?, easy answer is Yes. I know that cause I actually have one to play all my PC games, and now with the Frame Generation mod I can even play Starfield at the highest settings at 1440p at 90ish FPS with my 3070, another game 1440p, high settings and high FPS is Avatar, the issue in todays new games is not about you need more VRAM the problem is within the game putrid mess of optimization, and developers are just relying in DLSS or FSR scaling methods to fix their putrid mess of developed new games.
I almost never had any problem playing 1440p on max settings any game. Mine is RTX 3070ti. Raytracing sucks anyway
@beastmasterbg play cyberpunk 2077 with path tracing and tell me ray tracing sucks
Thanks for the effort on doing a bunch of these tests. I was actually planning to upgrade my RTX 3070 to 4070 ti super but decided to just wait for RTX 5000. This video really helps my decision.
8GB VRAM wouldn't be enough on some AAA games with max settings/texture but DLSS tech really helps to lower it down and make it playable.
оо, да, у меня тоже RTX 3070, и я тоже буду ждать 5000 поколения Nvidia. Нынешнее поколение пока пропускаю))
im using 3070 and could play any game i want on high settings 1440p 🥰
True.. But some games look so much better with RT
@@LostUkraineGirl performance is priority over reflection which you would not focused on
@@meidy3795 yes but graphics are a beautiful thing too
@@LostUkraineGirl yes sure if you have 4090 without DLSS performance you get beautiful ray tracing,but with let say 3060 or 4060 with ray tracing you will get like 30-40 ish in cyberpunk ? And only with DLSS,you get acceptable performance but upscaling sometimes does not look that good especially if you set it to performance
feels like everyone over focuses on it and its all they care abt even tho its really not that crazy and doesn’t add anything to look 90% of the time
The VRAM is the main reason I went with 6700xt as my upgrade from the gtx 1070 instead of a 3060ti or 3070. Seemed silly to buy a card twice as powerful but still the same VRAM. And im happy with my choice because i got a new 4k TV and playing games in 1440p/4k regularly use 8-12 gb of vram
Absolutely, agree with you. I skip this generation because of the vram stagnation.
@@pohjademaniratana2567 there is no VRAM stagnation unless you're an Nvidia fanboy. 🤷🏻♂️
@@filipealves66027600: 8gb. 7700:12gb 7800:16gb. Only expensive top end that is not the main consumer base gets more vram.
@craciunator99 bro so is 12gb vram ok ?
@@mananrao535 Absolutely.
It seems to work well in most games, which is great. I have a 3060Ti and haven't noticed any issues so far, but I play at 1080p and mostly on high or optimized settings. By the way, if anyone has a problem with VRAM in RE4R, I recommend turning off RT (it's very subtle and I don't like how shiny Salazar's castle is with it), set shadows to high (looks the same as max, but eats 2 GB less ) and use high (2GB) or high (3GB) textures because at lower settings they sometimes pop in and out while 2GB and 3GB don't.
Hey Fabio, great to see you on Moore's Law is Dead last night. I watched the whole thing and enjoyed your input. Love your channel and appreciate all the hard work you do :D
Thank you! It was great to be there as well
What an insane job, thanks Fabio. My favorite tech channel. Eres un grande :3
Thank you my friend!
Thank you! So bandwidth and VRAM are both important, and if a game manages to exhaust both at the same time, that's when you have a problem. So for example, 6700 XT may be low at bandwidth, but its generous VRAM size makes up for a lot of those of the more demanding games. That was interesting to learn. If I said things right, of course.
Exactly
Also cache structure and amount matters and can makeup for lower bandwidth to memory
I also ended up picking up a 6700xt over a 3060ti as my previous GTX 670 4GB lasted me waaaaay longer than it should have with it's extra 2GB of VRAM. It was also like $60 cheaper at the time. I have loved it for the most part.
I wonder if Ancient Gameplays would make a quick video troubleshooting bandwidth limited scenarios vs VRAM. I know you can usually see VRAM spilling over into RAM and getting frametime spikes, but I suspect I may be pushing my 6700xt a little too hard in games like Alan Wake 2 and Avatar. Or it could be my SSD in Alan Wake 2. Or it could be some weird other setting in Avatar (especially with framegen on in Avatar). Just weird I get stutters in those games when moving the camera from time to time even though I have a 7800x3D now with it.
Should be interesting seeing 6700xt and 3070 side by side.
to compare 1% lows and frametime graph.
thx alot for the benchmarks!
2080ti and 3070 would work really well for this. Both have very similar performance.
The thing with vram spill over is, on some games it won't show any performance hit like fps drop or stuttering, instead game engine will try to lower textures resolution, most people won't even realized this happen if it's not rendering too low to ps2 like textures, and without side by side comparison, the other thing to watch out is frametime pacing, when you max out vram usage it usually become erratic and microstuttering start to occur despite the game still producing enough fps.
that's called texture streaming, and no, it isn't. Especially now with Direct Storage and Ray Tracing
@@AncientGameplays i have 8gb gpu, on some games i already noticed textures starting to load slowly even on slow paced games such as BG3 after prolong gaming session, on remnant2 my frametime pacing is erratic and microstuttering happen.
Great to see you Fabio on Moores Law is dead. It was great to see the expanded format really shine a light on your deep knowledge on Hardware and Software topics. Excellent. As an RTX 3070 owner, I got it new long ago for a reasonable price, so will play within it's limits...Will save up for the next gen whilst I enjoy it now. Cheers.
Thank you!
Fabioooooo!!! Great appearance on Broken silicon!!! It felt like I got to chill and kick
the sh-t with you for a couple of hours. I think you did a wonderful job of articulating
your thoughts and Ideas in English!!!
Thank you my man! Appreciate it!
This really makes me feel proud of myself for managing to make my old 4gb r9 290 last up until 2023. We had our ups and downs but it lasted me a solid 8 years before I had to upgrade. Only time will tell if the 7900xt will be able to last me just as long or (hopefully) longer.
same here haha
thanks fot your efford, 1 day ago upgrade my gpu to msi rtx 3070 suprim x to , this video is gold
You've gotta be top 3 guests I've ever seen on MLID's channel. Excellent job btw! Was a great podcast.
Thank you 💪💪
Coming here after watching MLID podcast ('-')/
Man, that was refreshing
Thank you, glad you guys enjoyed it
The 3070 with 12 or 16 Gb of vram would be crazy would have been remembered even than it is, has the potential to be a real 2080Ti killer
I would love to see 2080ti vs 3070 or 4060ti 8GB.
I feel like 11-12GB is perfect for this performance tier.
I bought my MSI Gaming X 2080ti used for only $300 around 2 years ago. Still going strong at 1440p with some help from DLSS 😀
Unfortunately used 2080ti prices went up after 8GB VRAM drama in TLOU, Forspoken, etc.
I could play TLOU from day 1 without any issues thanks to 11GB of VRAM.
Thank you for the amazing job! I watched most of the segments, very interesting analysis! Keep up the good work :)
I'm still rocking it with my 5700XT at 3440x1440p. Have to lower some settings though but it still holds strong...havveeee to resist upgrADING 🤣thank GOD for FSR
Would love to see a 3080 10GB version of this video!
Something close to that will come!
i love your content always interesting hiqh guality of video itself and of course thanks for that many games especially for dying light 2 with rt :)
Thank you as well :D
One of my favorite past times is designing/creating a vehicle in Automation: The Car Company Tycoon Game and exporting and testing/racing the cars in BeamNG. With my prior 5700 XT, the 8GB framebuffer meant I had a slideshow in both games if I kept Automation open in the background when I loaded up BeamNG, so I needed to close Automation after exporting and then open up BeamNG. With my 6800 XT, I can run both games simultaneously and I can just alt+tab between them when I'm testing my builds. 16GB may not be totally necessary, but damn, it sure is nice to have for my use case.
Indeed massive upgrades
I have the zotac 3070 ti and it's running good I'm happy with it I should be good for next few year's as long as the game's run at 60 fps and on high I'm happy with my 3070 TI
man, tysm for activating dlss and ray tracing, it's like people forget those are actual features of rtx gpus tbh
The same way fsr and fg are on with my amd gpu videos
Thank you Fabio !
Mlid video was solid, did like it, like this one as well !
Some sanity, in this sometimes crazy world !
Thanks for the words!
New adrenalin with AFMF update just dropped, I wonder what your next video will be about 🤔
Will look into it
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It's huge, probably a 45 min lecture video.
People report that AFMF in 24.1.1 works better than with last preview drivers.
@@VladiatorX because they do haha
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Sorry for massaging in a not formal way. But maybe you could check 23.12.1 and 24.1.1 for new "bugs" too?
"Metrics" in adrenaline software report 100% utilization on idle after exiting a game, while windows reports 0%. After some time it reports the utilization properly(in metrics).
@@VladiatorX i will check the new drivers tomorrow 💪💪
The 3070 was a decent card that should of had 12GB instead of 8GB. Just like the 4070 now. I'm curious how accurate the in-game VRAM usage info is. For example would a game really be using 6 or 7GB out of it's 8GB graphics card? I just keep getting flashbacks from when I played The Last of US part 1 on pc. Im sure there is some sort of memory spill. Im sure 8GB cards are fine for most of the 1080p cards, but if I was building a new pc in 2024, regardless of the resolution I would definitely want a minimum of 12GB VRAM. Just like you would want to have 32GB instead of 16... an SSD instead of a HDD... etc etc..
Nah, its allocated RAM, but some games definitely need more of it and you can see by the performance numbers
tbf even at 1440p now with cards as powerful as the 4070 super, they get very close to maxxing the 12gb vram. the 4070 super shouldve had 16gb imo. I have a 6700xt too its great and is faster than a 3060ti with more vram so I've been happy with it for 7 months now
@@Definedd Well thankfully in most games ultra is barely different than high settings, so lowering settings will always be an option, assuming you are happy with the native resolution... plus you'll have a smoother game with the additional frame rate. I really believe 12GB is the sweetspot for the moment
@@Ladioz true, for most it will be but for nvidia users who use ray tracing the vram on offer for anything below the 4070 ti super isnt gonna be enough really
I have rtx 3070 with r7 5700x ... I play on 1080 ultra + rtx on , on most games and it is good for me 🤗
Amazing job, and amazing results!!
Seeing gameplay is important because bar graphs don't tell everything. Look how blurry some textures are in Hogwarts, it takes time for them to load.
Yeap, texture streaming
I'm surprised how cool your ryzen 7700x is as its like 30-40 most of the time, wow ! still a capable GPU at high refresh 1080p or 60fps at 1440p
You mean 7600X haha
@@AncientGameplays may be an error but your video says both for some reason just checked
I upgraded from 3070 to a 6800XT a year ago beacuse of the VRAM issues. but put that aside, the 3070 still holds its own in most scenarios High-Ultra settings with some DLSS.
it was interesting I watched almost all of em ty again for the work
Thank you as well!
Now I need to change my rtx 3070 to rtx 4070 super or 4070 ti super with 16GB
This man never catch a break ..
4070 vs 3010 10gb would be a great test at 1440p with raytracing and ultra settings too. To see if 10gb is enough for ray tracing in the more demanding games.
holy shit, 40 games? Thank you so much Fabio!
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according to some guy Fabio that was recently at Moore's Law podcast, it is not enough!
Hahaha 💪💪
1:10:18 I think that 10GB of VRAM should be sufficient for 1080p gaming (if you don’t max out the ray tracing settings). However, for current-gen games with 1440p and ray tracing, the picture looks different. In this case, cards with 12GB of VRAM should be the minimum.
I understand that ray tracing can look cool in some games, but for the time being, I am absolutely fine playing the games without ray tracing. Not everyone is a hardcore enthusiast/elitist; there are also people/gamers like me who are happy with less.
Sooner or later, I will also upgrade to a card with more VRAM, but for the moment, I should be okay with my RX 6700.
By the way, you could also do a test with cards like the 3080 10GB, RX 6700 10GB, RX 7600 8GB, and RTX 4060 8GB. However, only focus on the raster-performance at 1080p (high - ultra) and 1440p (medium to high with FSR/DLSS).
thank you for making videos bro
Thank you as well
Really useful information for me. Very thanks for so much exstensive testing.
I'm just upgrading from 1080 to 3070 and I'm totally happy to see that, with NO RT, it can run smooth almost anything with DLSS quality at 1440p, is it right?
Same will happen to the 4070 in the future. 12 GB will not be enough. 6700XT is still fine today and 3070 struggles. FHD = 12 GB, WQHD = 16 GB , 4K = 20 GB.
loved seeing yee on teh moores low is dead podcast,
Thank you!
My daughter has the Palit 3070 GAMING PRO with a Ryzen 5 5600 (Corsair H45 120mm AIO), 32GB DDR4 3200M/T and WD Blue 1TB Gen x 3 M.2 and it plays everything on ultra or high no problems. If it starts to have issues in the next couple of years then I’ll just turn off Ray Tracing.
Got you on the podcast on one phone and on here on the other.....can't get enough of the comparisons of midrange cards after just upgrading from RTX2080 hybrid to AMD 7800 XT. My 14 day return period just ran out and there was nothing not to like as it runs avatar in 4k at 90-100 fps and looks beautiful. I can only tell the dlss vs Fsr thing in lies of P on the chandeliers as that's what I play most...."rat game" as my little girl calls it look fine with FSR...2080 with DLSS is on the struggle bus at same settings. Borderline unplayable on old card vs 60 at 4k on new card and that's on an old 2700x till I switch it into my SFF where the hybrid 2080 sits
Thanks!
plague tale requiem look at the textures at the distance not even properly rendered and that happens with other games aswell.
That's a game or drivers thing most likely due to blur. That game isn't really vram hungry
@@AncientGameplays really? i saw a video from HU 6800 vs 3070 or 3070ti on this game and the 3070 was suffering, i think it was on a village! but still, 8gb is defenitelly not enough today.
I have a 3070 Ti FE. It is a great card but it is showing its age.
El video que estaba buscando 😢😢. Me leiste la mente
Please make a video comparing the RX 7600XT, if released, with the RX 6700 XT.
Will get one as soon as I can :D
good podcast with MLID broken silicon
Thank you :D
Спасибо, дорогой друг. Твоё видео дало мне понять, что моя RTX 3070 ещё побегает))) Да, некоторые игры упираются и в недостаток видеопамяти, и в более слабый чип, чем у более современных видеокарт, но DLSS делает свое дело. Да и новый мод по FSR 3 генерацию кадров никто не отменял :-)
I'm still getting by with 8gb for 1440p with my 3060ti that I bought in 2021, but since the middle of last year, I'm increasingly having to tweak settings to work around limited VRAM. Using DLSS Quality or even Balanced, along with lowering texture quality settings are the most useful settings to tweak.
You can still squeak by with 8gb for 1440p gaming in new titles, but nobody but should be buying an 8gb card for such a purpose anymore. I'm holding onto my 3060ti for 2024, but I will be upgrading in 2025 when the next generation of cards drop.
I feel you
Next upgrade I'd recommend the 7800xt for amd or 4070 on Nvidia both around same performance but the 7800xt has more vram I recommend sapphire or power color for amd FE is fine for a 4070 it's good
@@soulhalo7343 Thanks, if I were upgrading to a current gen card, I'd go 4070 Super, but I've decided to hold out to see what the 5060ti / 5070 or its competitors will bring in 2025.
@@drefar4140 I don't think there be a big boost but really anything under the 4070ti is trash but the super is fine be good to get 40s isn't to much better than the 30s there close together some the cards they released is bad value and and overpriced
Man! What effort you put in your videos is absolutely insane👍
Thanks!
Good video but I think you should stress test the GPU with the most demanding sceneries games have to offer. In some of the gameplay examples it was clear that the frames dropped considerably when you looked towards a vast open space or during driving in Cyberpunk, some didn't feature this like TLOU and Metro Exodus that only had interior footage which isn't very graphically intensive.
Metro is not an issue and in TLOU you could see the perf was bad
@@AncientGameplays Well we don't know that since the test was done in the tutorial area with not a lot of assets nor NPCs that would need a lot of VRAM especially with hairworks and other stuff.
@@anitaremenarova6662 we know that because I tested it several times, that's why I am telling you this
@@AncientGameplays In the open-world?
Thanks to you, I moved to the Red team. AMD's Adrenalin software is definitely much better than the freezing Nvidia interface. The ceremony had to be grand, that's why you chose the 7900xtx
What freezing Nvidia interface? I never had that happen?
Thank you for your work! In some games, my 3070 performs slightly worse, but I believe this depends on the individual settings.
And because of the cpu/ram most likely
In the MLID podcast there was no discussion of rx 7600 xt which want know you are opinion becuase MLID said amd doesn't price that card that high
A big too high, not bas though
This explains why never ran out of VRAM on my 6700xt. Now, I have turned up the settings in a game and it killed the performance, though I had enough VRAM to spare. Might have been GTA V. Think I was using those extra effect distances or whatever its called. I still wouldn't upgrade to a 4070 with 12GB though, 16gb yes. I watched all the games using RT or similar/relating technologies.
Better have lower settings and higher textures
The important thing is to enjoy the game. It is not about competing for frame rates on ultra settings.
This is also an encouragement to myself, having purchased a 3070 last year.
This video is excellent. Thanks for the great content. I have a R7 5700x and rtx 3070. Also i9 10900k and rtx 3080 (10gb) model. Request for a video with these combinations. Realistic one for the same era.
Whoa that must have taken you forever!
Lots of hours haha
Can you make a video on 3060ti gddr6 varient at 1440p
Yes 8gb is enough for reasonable people that turn down settings a bit with hardly any visual difference! For the most part even if you have lots of vram on many gru's you need to turn down the settings anyway for reasonable performance!
Different things. It is better to have lower settings with higher textures
nice video man
Back in 2020, 3070 was my first desktop GPU trying to push ultrawide 1440p so I had no clue at the time haha, been gaming on mobile only prior. Playing with OSD, I quickly realized VRAM buffer would become a limitation in the near future.
So I took a minor loss and sold it then and paid up the difference on a second hand 3090. In my mind 3080/ti would not really be a lasting upgrade with minor bumps in VRAM
Glad I did after all following the 8GB debacle, used 3070 prices tanked
Good choice
here in india used 3070 go for around 250$ same as rx 6700xt this is just perfect for 1080p with RT sad some big TH-camrs will never correct their old videos where they shit on 3070 because of unoptimized versions game like Hogwarts Legacy 8gb will do for now and its a significant upgrade for my gtx1080
I got a 3070ti i use it for 1080p gaming is the vram thing better for me and how long can i go with it?
for 1080P you're fine
Ehh.. time to upgrade...
Honestly I felt bottlenecked with the 3070 even back in 2020 when I bought it at a ridiculous price. I was shocked that I was getting sub 60 frames while games like Control or CP 2077 weren't even maxed out.. :/
I just want to wait and see which card is goint to be better value here in the EU - the 4070 TI Super or the 4080 Super.
The only reason I went with rx6700xt . I was confused between 3060ti and rx6700xt and ordered the rtx one but then changed my mind bc of the vram 😅 . I play at 1440p only, so those extra vram is really helpful and texture quality is more important to me than RT .
I have 7600x , rtx 3070 , cl 30 6000MHz 32GB(2x16) ram. I checked most of the games I don't have to see what fps I'll get when I have them.
And I checked the games I have to be sure it is accurete with my fps. Thank you.
Suggestion: Use competitive settings (not just low) in games like CS2 ,Apex Legends , The Finals and Cod.
Again, thank you so much.
watched almost all atleast till the end 😂
Awesome!
there is no way you did a 3070 showcase the DAY i got a used 3070 for an insanely good price!
Hahaha, cool
I currently use an RTX 3070 laptop at price of $900, it has half the performance of the desktop one... But it only use 220w in total
Half for 220 watts is a lot, but well, cpu ans monitor already consume much
I had PC with this GPU, I gave it to my brother and I bought to myself PC with RX 7900 XTX :3
huge upgrade
Once again, thank you for this huge RTX 3070 test. just looking at the games that i own ^^
Not in this video, i have only one game with vram issue with my 3070, it's Forspoken, this game need 16Go of vram to run properly in 1440p.
Because of direct storage
yeah, i've got an SSD NVMe and ReBAR activated, but this game is poorly optimized. By the way, same with the last Star Wars, Hogwarts Legacy and Resident Evil 4.@@AncientGameplays
hallo bro ? we waiting video > 24.1.1 complete)))
Would love to see a 40 game benchmark with a 6700XT. Can pick up a Sapphire Nitro for $250 all day long.
Already did a recent one with the 6750X I believe
scored a 3070 for $220. am i gonna be good for a while? im at 1080p, think i might have the best fps per dollar card LOL
my 3070 stutters a lot after about 20 minutes playing cyberpunk WITHOUT RAY TRACING on 1080p... and Vram usage its maxed almost all the time, feels bad
Yeap, that's a thing as well
True answer is: that depends. Do you care about ray tracing and ultra textures at higher resolution than 1080p? Then NO! absolutely not, dont even think about 8gb cards. But if you want tu turn you settings down to high and sometimes medium and dont care about rt at all , specially in the near future, then just go for it. i would absolutely not buy a 8gb gpu for 1440p monitors, i have a 3080 10gb and i dont even use higher settings and still have problems here and there due to vram... video is kinda biased in that regard, sorry.
Honestly, its just barely enough if u want to play modern titles at decent settings.
So no, if you already have a 8GB GPU, you're fine for now. If you're planning on buying a new one though, I'd suggest going with 10 / 12GB cards. If your budget can allow that.
Perfect card for 500$ is honestly the RX 7800XT. Great midrange card, and it'll last you. Sense 16Gb of vram.
Hello Fabio.
One of the few who can properly overclock the GPU. And as reality shows, the video memory has really run out. Oh Mr. Huang, the memory chips were $2 more expensive, but wait! This is blocked at the driver level! Yes, you can solder 2 gigabyte memory chips and set the logic correctly. But at the driver level you will get a lock. And the GA 104 chip is so powerful that it just rests all the time. Amazing Fabio. But Nvidia will never hand over the driver refinement to the side. The 4000 series of video cards can suffer terribly, especially when people solder 2 gigabyte chips and use the chip completely. Fabio, did you notice by the electricity consumption whether the card was fully working or not? I now have a 3060 ti with gddr6x, if your memory was 16 GHz, then I have 21 GHz and in FHD in cyberpunk, despite the maximum consumption of 265 W, the card consumes only 180-200 W.
Great work 👍 - it helps me a lot because I still have a 3070Ti. But I am waiting until AMD are capable to make a GPU with 150+ CUs, because it is ridiculous to se how slow AMD works and focus on RTX Path tracing.
Path tracing works quite fine, look alan wake 2, nlt near as bad an in cp2077
que buen video, gran seleccion de titulos con gameplay real, por cierto llevas varios juegos avanzados, me vi casi 40min de la hora del video mientras cenaba, la verdad esperaba un rendimiento peor o stuttering y no vi nada de eso, mi proxima gpu 95% seguro que solo tendra 8g de vram, posible rx 5700 o 5700xt por alixpress, es lo unico que se puede con mi presupuesto, actualmente tengo una rx 570 de 4gb, asi que seria un gran upgrade, creo que 8g de vram dan para mucho bajando par de setting, no big deal, lo importante es difrutas, saludos.
It will be a good upgrade for you and 8gb is fine for 1080P
To be fair, without Ray Tracing RX 6700 XT 12GB performance similar to RTX 3070 8GB, would love to see comparison 2024 12GB vs 8GB
That will come soon!
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Hey felow countryman, just one litle opinion, cause it can be usefull improve your excellent work. Put more racing games on the benchmark, but real racing games, like F1 games, ACC games, etc. I am currently thinking of upgrading to 1440p, mainly cause of Formula one games, or racing games in general. The issue, we racing gamers (competitive) is the imersion needs bigger monitors, and if the resolution is "low" like my atcual 1080p, it sucks lol. Currently i am thinking about update to the rysen 7 7800x3d and a 4070 Ti Super for playing, and cause i need to buy a new motherboard to go from the i7 10th gen (the one without the K), i going to buy a MB dual slot to pair with my current 3070 and use for the extra 2 monitors on 1080p and obs. I'm going to try so maintain my AZZA 360 blizzard and 850W psu. What do you think? But for now, Is my current 3070 pair with i7 10700 able to run F1 23 on 1440p at 150fps at least? As always, GOOD, Awesome, and very useful work. 💪💪💪💪💪
As 8GB VRAM was already proven often insufficient for high end gaming in 2023, a better question: "Is 12 GB VRAM enough for gaming in 2024?" as there were quite a few games that played noticeably better on 16GB in 2023.
12gb of vram is more than sufficient for any current-gen game at 1440p(high-ultra settings and dlss in very demanding games)
sure, it can occasionally cause some performance issues in some unoptimized/vram sensitive games. but other than that 12GB VRAM should be fine for most games, especially if we are only talking about the raster-performance. a good chunk of players(except hardcore enthusiasts) don't even play with maxed out ray tracing settings, or they don't even bother at all with ray tracing.
@@earthling1988 not necessarily true; PC Hogwarts legacy at ultra settings struggled in 2023 with anything less than 16GB VRAM, and that's just one example. 16GB VRAM is entry level for new games at ultra settings in 2024.
My son has a 10850k/3080 12gb. He plays at 1080p and turns down settings because he's a gamer and worries about the gameplay, not the graphics. I, on the other hand, am an elitist and want native 4k Ultra 120+fps RTX on in absolutely every game.
Hogwarts was optimized and that changed
Hey Fabio,
Do you think the rx 7900xt and xtx rdna3 still can have performance improved with drivers and fsr3 ?
I believe they can. There's still something to push in some games!
Hi, thanks for the video! Will there be an AFMF test video on 6xxx series video cards? Performance and input latency?
There will be, no issue. Need to program some things first 💪💪
Nice video but.. you have OC'd the gpu so it eats 250-260w while stock 3070 eats ~220w so saying "if your GPU pulls less than 230w.." isn't really accurate. I have the 3070 and I see crappy performance when the GPU pulls less than ~180w.
I said in this case, explained how people should analyze the video, just that 💪
Awesome!!!Big Like 💝😋
8gb is totally fine if you play 1080p, if you play at higher resolutions than 1080p, depending on the game, it could be an issue
I'm so excited for your video on the 24.1.1 drivers! :D
Bro, are you going to do a video on the official AMD Adrenalin 24.1.1 drivers or what?
Of course, working on it
@@AncientGameplays Thank goodness
I guess cb 2077 need more thank 8gb with rt+ dlss, it ask for more ram and have stutters
Meanwhile my RX 6800 with FMF and enough VRAM on my 4K OLED TV -> 😎👍