I like that you gave it another try! But I also would have liked more of your own thoughts about the songs. In the first reaction, you also didn‘t comment that much on what you thought about the songs because you were confused. You could have talked first about your new impressions after getting more context before reading the summary. I still liked watching your reaction! :)
Great job, thanks for doing a re-watch after last time. I think folks just got so excited to share in the fun that they got defensive when there was all that confusion. Very cool of you to go back for it. If you want another cheat sheet or anything for next time, I'm sure we can make something happen.
A fun little detail about Apollo is the fact that he's also the god of _prophecy_ So he knows exactly how everything will end, hence why he's the easiest to convince. He didn't put in any effort since he didn't need to.
If I remember right Liam initially started the project independently after getting inspired by Epic and later was contacted by Jorge when he found out to work more closely with them on the game, which is rad af
6:20 this dog is over 20 years old, he was alive when Odysseus left home; I'm not surprised he's tired In the original he stays alive just long enough for to see Odysseus again; but Ody has to ignore the dog when he comes to greet his master to fulfil his plan The dog gives up, lays down and passes away Luckily Jorge says he isn't gonna make us see that, he wanted the dog to show up in legendary and never again
27:27 Not sure if you missed this in the animatic, but Hephaestus is voiced by Jorge’s dad. It was great to see that both his parents contributed vocally to this project. For those who don’t know, Jorge’s mom voiced Odysseus’s mom in the Underworld song.
Did you notice the line: " maybe I can sleep at night! " And how it connects to odysseus's line in my goodbye "What’s a title that a goddess could lend if I’ll never sleep at night?" Apparently it isn't just Odysseus who's having trouble sleeping!
I love this, that moment feels like the first glimpse we see of Athena being truly affected by what happened, it really humanizes her and it makes the transition from "I'm not looking for a friend"(my goodbye) to "I had a friend once" feel like really natural character progression
the whole sa thing does in fact happen in the og story, very explicitly in fact, which is surpising for the time period. Some of the translations of lines of that part of the story going as follows. “In the nights, true, / he’d sleep with her in the arching cave - he had no choice - / unwilling lover alongside lover all too willing” "Calypso is singing with her “breathtaking voice” and weaving at her loom while Odysseus “sat on a headland, weeping there as always, / wrenching his heart with sobs and groans and anguish, / gazing out over the barren sea through blinding tears” Calypso would use him as such every night for the 7 years, bearing two children with him as refenced in the theogony, though this work came later it is still of note. In the odessey this would be the second time he'd be assaulted as in the original circe too, is less than properly consentual, though hers in a fashion where the change made for epic between them is still fitting. Calypso is simply stated. Calypso's amusement here with odyessuess resistance, calling hom adorable, and her focus on how "life would be worse if he died", as it would be worse for *her*, when trying to speak him off the ledge, show that. As well as her usage of other's lines. Calling him ody as eurylochus had, saying he'll always be in her heart as odyessues mother had. Open arms, as polities had. All of which she has learned over the years of him talking in his sleep, as she had mentioned he does. Calypso is lonely, and will use odyessues to sate that.
This is my favorite analysis with reference to the Odyssey. People say the book shouldn't be used as a reference since the musical doesn't follow it fully, but when things are left open, the implications are clear. With circe, the song clearly went against the source with the fact that although she was charming him, he never fell under her spell because he directly interrupts her, changes the focus and gets out of there; whereas with Calypso, nothing is explicitly mentioned that draws us away from the conclusion that Jorge probably didn't stray from that part of the source this time. People who say that the sa didn't happen fail to realize that Jorge left a 7 year gap that proceeded calypso's incessant need to be with Odysseus. Though he clearly stated he didn't want this, like with circe, Calypso simply told him there was nothing he could do, "mine, all mine", with no refocus, and then boom, 7 years later and he's on a cliff and athena states hes been trapped under her control. If she had been a companion instead, I doubt he'd have driven himself to that extent of suicidal ideation, and I would assume that Jorge would make it obvious that nothing happened just like he did with Circe. Great observations of the end of that song as well! Made me tear up a bit
@@sunshi4929 You get me. I would call epic less an adaptation, and more a version of the odessey, as the story like many of that time, was originally spread via word of mouth. Any written works will be a version, of what was heard and known with reflections of the culture and opinons of the writer. Epic is no different. Circe was very noticably and specifically changed. One could go with the interpretation of ody being fairly distressed during it, my fave personally being anniflamma's animatic as it is a nice mix of simple seduction and that, of course, uneven power dynamic. But it is still changed. Circe relents in a way that feels proper to the story and even the source in some aspects. With this, though, there is that time skip. Calypso's line of climbing into bed with him, and the following denial immediatly ignored by her, a big indication that in this version she AT BEST, sexually harassed him, which would harrowing enough for him on its own. To be driven so far, though, even with his past traumas, we see an escalation in his pain, and her there as an easy source to name. It is not wrong to use the book to explore these characters further, as it is for the book alone, that this musical exists. It does not mean people are not allowed to like calypso as a character, but it is immensely noticable he does not want her advances and the state "living in paradise with her" that has left him in, is a huge indication.
@Jmnl-b2l YEEESSSSS I feel like people get confused that by saying Calypso treated him the way most gods treat mortals- as objects to entertain them- doesn't make her a bad character, it doesn't mean you can't love her or her songs or her gorgeous vocals by the incredibly talented Ms Wangui, but it does mean that she is the child of a Titan who was treated in a messed up way and went on to use Odysseus in a messed up way. In the Odyssey, when Hermes comes to Calypso she pines that the gods are always meddling in affairs between gods and mortals and basically has a tantrum that it's unfair- and then relents and let's her favorite toy go. It's not quite star crossed lovers, it's very much one sided, and I think Epic sticks with that depiction of her. Love Calypso. But man Ody has been through way too much
@@qryptid indeed. This man has been through HELL & back, quite literally, with all 600 of his men now dead, Gods wanting to kill him or make his life a living nightmare, the trip back home to Ithaca getting longer & longer, the list goes on & on. Hopefully by the next saga, Ody will FINALLY make it home. Bro has been through way too much for his likings.
Ehhhh the two children adaptation is essentially ancient fanfiction, and is mostly ignored by scholars. Its thought that it was originated in roman times and falsely attributed to Hesiod in order to give it more history
Don't worry about misunderstanding the audio only videos. This saga is the first one that isn't told in Odysseus perspective and almost every reactor made same mistake.
So Jorge was actually heavily inspired by video games when creating Epic and each new antagonist he comes up against is meant to be like a "boss battle". And don't quote me on this but I heard the person who animated the street fighter style for Little Wolf is actually working with the Epic crew to design an Epic the Musical inspired video game
During the flash back in god games, just after Zeus attacks Athena, you can hear Warrior of the Mind playing, but it transitions briefly into Legendary when Athena is handed Telemachus
The two kids has been a topic of debate on whether it’s true or not, but, yeah, everything else is spot on. She was so alone and delusional that she thought everything she did was ok. As Ody said- he was just a pet to her. Something cute to “entertain” her. While reading The Odyssey, my heart absolutely broke with the lines of him going to the beach and crying. Man couldn’t leave the island, unlike the sea where he always felt he had a way out. So, (and I WISH there had been TWs for these), grief, depression and suicidal thoughts overcame him. He wanted it all to end. After ten years, his first cry of despair was to the goddess who had left him. If she hadn’t answered, I have no doubt the musical would end with his death.
First off- always happy to help in any way. Fun facts time. Happy you get to see the livestream- everything in the livestreams are canon, unlike fan animatics that have bits of canon dashed in. The dog, Argos, is _old_ . He was around when Odysseus was home, but he’s still alive to protect the family. When Telemachus says asks for help, the screen flashes blue. Athena was watching. The Olympians shown are gods. There are twelve major ones, and those are a few. Zeus is the god of gods, then comes Poseidon and Hades. Hera is Zeus’ wife, but, yk, man doesn’t really care. That’s one reason why Athena’s “never once has he cheated on his wife” worked.
fun fact, the person who animated the fight sections of little wolf is the person developing the epic the musical game, that's why they went for the game style (besides that epic was based on video games musically)
also, not to try and justify calypso... but she's not really doing it with the worst of intentions. she herself is trapped on the island if i remember right, ody is the first person she's seen in quite some times outside of the gods so she clings to ody. plus she wants someone to love as she's envious of all the gods and how they can have all the lovers and concubines they could ever want or need, but the one man that comes to her island doesn't love her back plus he gets ripped away from her leaving her all alone again
while gods/goddesses are immortal, it's common practice that gods can kill each other. but it's highly unlikely that zeus killed athena as for one, she's his daughter and also athena still has a large part to play throughout the rest of epic/odyssey
@@PineMountainMusician i didn't mean good intentions as in she's so noble and pure. i meant in comparison to half the greek pantheon who do the same thing or worse, at least she comes from a place of good intentions of actually wanting love, unlike zeus who shags anything that moves
So it is possible that she is dead, as Zeus does have the power to remove a god's power. As in mythology, he did take away Asclepius's (Apollo's son) power by striking him with his lightning bolt, this was also done to Apollo (he got it back later) after he took revenge against the cyclops that made the lightning bolt. Edit: this also happened in the Illiad (to Poseidon and Apollo (why does this keep happening to Apollo))
Yes! telemachus was the only one able to see and feel athena’s presence during little wolf, in epic athena has the ability to go into a person’s mind and communicate through his powers: quick thought which was referenced when telemachus asked if time was slowing down and athena replied that she just made his thoughts quicker (hence warrior of the mind) this would also imply that this is how athena is able to train all her heroes and warriors during wars and battles
Fun fact; the pre-choruses for Legendary are reprisals of Full Speed Ahead. Also, Jorge had said he wanted this Saga to really feel like progressing through levels of a game. So we get like an actual game-like animatic for the whole song of Little Wolf, and God Games is supposed to be like going through levels as well. Jorge has been super inspired by games as well as anime for his music. For We'll Be Fine, apparently for the "then his light went dark" bit, Athena is directly referring to Polites. There's the cut song for him called Your Light; she's calling Polites Ody's Light, and when he died that Light went out. Watch Jorge's face during the last bit of Love in Paradise. He WROTE this trauma and even he's affected watching that whole bit. For God Games, Ares' motif is the same as Athena's, just with a different instrument. They're both different sides to the same War coin, so it makes sense they share a motif.
actually if you think about it, Calypso was alone all her life on this island. Ody being there to him was kidnapping but to her was a supposed gift'' from the gods
I always liked Ares as a character/mythological figure but when I played Hades, I had a crush at once. His design is beautiful and the voice...I really like this rough and dark version of him here as well
31:56 this animatic was done by Anniflama. Who has her own version of these characters. And her concept for Hera is actually based off her animap form tye Peacock which I think fits the flashy disco aesthetic more.
I'm glad my summary helped you! Most of the information I gave you was from J himself, but I also put my own knowledge in it. In my explanation for "Love in Paradise" I said it's implied that Calypso SA'd Odysseus. This is NOT something Jorge has confirmed yet. I added that tibit because in the original Epic that is something that happens. But J might change that. And as for the ending, it is not confirmed that Athena died. It's likely that she didn't die but I'm not sure which direction J is going in. There are many things in which J sticks to the original source material, but he also take a lot of creative liberties. So we will all find out soon, lol. If you ever need more information I will gladly help!
Fun fact, the dog following Telemachus in Legendary originally belongs to Odysseus. He's had him since before he left Ithaca for the Trojan War, last I checked. This is Ody's dog 20 years later. Old Age has sadly caught up to the poor k-9.
Also regarding Calypso, I don’t believe the SA will be featured in Epic. I also hope not. She says she brings no harm and she is also a prisoner of the island (epic and odyssey) so I’d prefer she not turn into a villain. We need more than Polites and Aeolus to be a fun light! Last correction sorry, Calypso did not kidnap him, he was sent to this island by Zeus after Thunderbringer as punishment.
just saw you had this video in addition to the other reaction vid to wisdom saga. please, i hope you're not taking some people's anger or frustration to heart. i hope this continues to be something you enjoy watching, reacting to, and sharing with us. i appreciate it. *-cookies-* also as a help, timeline: telemachus born, ody leaves for trojan war which lasts 10 years, trojan war ends and ody begins the journey home (the odyssey/epic the musical) the story of which takes ~10 years, so here, telemachus is ~20 yrs old
While the whole "Calypso SA" thing may have happened in the original Odyssey, it doesn't seem to happen in Epic. Firstly, Calypso acts much less forceful in Love in Paradise than in the og story, she is specifically linked to Polites with the "open arms" thing, and honestly, I doubt they would link her to Polites if she was doing things that horrible. Not to mention in the demo for "Not Sorry for Loving You" (the next Calypso song in the next saga) Odysseus admits he loves her, just platonically rather than romantically, and I doubt he would do that if he was literally being assaulted by her.
i'm kinda surprised that no one knew Calypso because of Pirates of the Carribean. Oh, that moment of "Love in Paradise" is actually worse. Calypso called him "Ody" like Eurylochus, said she would "stay inside [his] heart" like his mother did in the Underworld and "open arms" like Polites. So, logically this triggers him to remember all three of these lost loved ones and hear their voices. That moment in the livestream was awful and a little funny, everyone was freaking out, yelling out for Jorge and calling him Captain. People we're asking who reported the stream and telling them to take a torch. I love our community!
I am so glad you went back and watched the livestream animatics. I was laughing the whole time when you realized your misunderstandings. It's such a great time watching people get into Epic the first time, and somehow especially people unfamiliar with the story of the Odyssey. There are only 10 songs (2 sagas) left for the musical soundtrack, and I hope that you react to them when they come out! ☺
I've watched all your videos for EPIC, and really enjoyed your commentary! I also appreciate that you put in the effort to figure things out, and understand all the details even when you make a mistake. I was wondering if you'd react to Neal Illustrators Animatic for 'God Games'? It's amazing! Looking forward to the Vengeance Saga :))
Just to clarify: Calypso is just as trapped on the island by zues as odysseus is. She's been stuck alone for an eternity and can controls whether or not ppl can find and leave the island and actively makes it a paradise herself. Even so its implied zues asked her to do so. And no its not implied that odysseus is SA 'ed at the end but it is implied that he was about to commit die of the cliff
I don't see how it is not implied with "soon into bed we'll climb" then "hell no" which Calypso concludes with "you're mine, all mine", after trapping him for seven years, I feel like she wouldn't have had shied away from getting what she wants considering how careless she seemed about his consent
@@cid_of_krebs well it was definitely sexual harassment but assault is different and so much worse. Also she was never particularly forceful either and more just annoying abt it, but Harassment non the less.
Calypso being trapped/ cursed is actually an invention of Rick Riordan for the Percy Jackson series, there is no mention of it in Homer's works. Just FYI. I'm not sure if Jorge is using that as fact in Epic or not.
@@Sarah_Squeaks I think she actually was sent there as punishment tho cuz of her parents being titans, right? Google says so and doesn’t mention the percy Jackson books
In the video by overly sarcastic productions there was a part where Odysseus said full speed ahead and I remember that like 2 of the top comments were epic fans freaking out because the video came out wayyyyy before epic. Very funny
I loved your reaction 🤩, tbh the visual do make it easier to understand. I don't believe Athena is actually dead, in Greek mythology it's said that the god's bleed gold ichor (gold blood), I think what calypso said it true, they can't die. or zeus may have stripped Athena of her divinity before hitting her with a final lightbolt, but I doubt that.
In Love in Paradise, Calypso mentions that Odysseus talks in his sleep which then ties into her chose of words at the end of the song. Things he was probably saying in his sleep-- * "i'll stay inside your heart" is what his mother was saying when in the Underworld * "open arms" obviously opens arms is Polites song She was attempting to console him with words from his past but ends up triggering a panic attack. Notice how after she says 'stay inside your heart' is when he starts singing louder. He's trying to drown out her words. just to make that song even sadder. In God Games, specifically Ares and Aphrodite and Hera. First what you gotta know is that in the greek myths (depending where you read) Hephaestus takes Hera hostage and Zeus gives him Aphrodite to wed to appease him and release Hera. BUUUUUTTT Aphrodite is lowkey tryna be with Ares. After Hephaestus finds out about Ares and Aphrodite he locks them up in the gold bedroom to humiliate them and expose their infidelity to the rest of olympus. Hence why they conceded kind of begrudgingly coz she brings up them being lovers on top of debasing their points. And also it is very well known that 90% of Greek Mythology stems from Zeus being unable to keep it in his pants and not being faithful to Hera, Hence why Hera concedes after hearing that Odysseus has never cheated on Penelope despite being apart for 20yrs.
I like to think that Athena spent those 10 years pouting in her room about her fight with Odysseus. Then she goes to Ithaca looking for him so they can make up, only to find out he's still missing...
Fun fact: The Odyssey begins with Athena trying to convince the gods to release Odysseus- so we're actually finally at the beginning of the original story!
The implication that Calypso sexually assaulted Odysseus is not clearly defined, as interpretations vary. In 'Love in Paradise,' Odysseus expresses regret over the loss of his men and friends, avoiding any suggestion of assault. Similarly, 'Epic: The Musical' omits any such implications, notably excluding the episode of Odysseus with Circe. Further evidence against the notion of assault is Athena's assurance to Hera that Odysseus remained faithful to Penelope, suggesting a different dynamic between Calypso and Odysseus.
during the calypso song it wasn't just Polites that she references in the song we heard his mother and his second in command the reason why their voices appeared was when she called him Ody which is the name his second in command called him by and for his mother, she says I'll stay inside your heart which his mother told him in the underworld which made it so much better when all three of them were heard
My favorite fun fact about this musically cuz I love to analyze music haha. But in god games, when she jumps back to that 20 years, you can hear the exact moment that she gets handed telemecus because the song stops from warrior of the mind to legendary. Its awesome
quick note; Ares is almost always drawn as a greek hoplite, with a kuras, helmet, and shin protectors god of war, specifically war as experienced by soldiers - the fighting, the pain, the bloodshed as opposed to Athena, goddess of war as fought by generals (through strategy) kind of the punchingbag of the pantheon in most tellings, but if you read between the lines he really is exactly as cool as he looks - plus v protective of whatever kids he has (surely nothing to do with him being the god of war right
Misunderstanding is not really a problem it happens to everyone lol. Biggest tip i can give is there will always be context clues, so dont read too far into the lyrics till after you hear the song fully. At first focus on the lyrics. Watching the livestream at lauch or after, would be helpful fo you as well👍
Fun fact: Ares actually starts the Greek version of the Ragnarok, but instead of all gods dying he just made Zeus Choose to get killed or close All the “Doors” leading to the mortal world, and Zeus chose the latter.
What little I know of about Calypso or Kalypso (Other than Calypso is a type of music, of which is played for her song and she has steel drums before she begins to speak as a hint to who she is) is that she is a nymph daughter of the Titan named Atlas/Oceanus/Nereus (Various mythology stories as is normal) and sea nymph Pleione/Tethys. We actually have no information of what she's supposed to be a Goddess OF really, only guess I've ever seen is she's a sea Goddess of beauty. Oh and uh, one little fact I know is she has "been" with Hermes before. Calypso music is really nice if you ever look it up. The steel drum is a very distinct instrument.
Jokes aside, you’re a visual learner and that’s fine. For someone who has no background on the Odyssey, isn’t heavily obsessed with Epic, or doesn’t want to be spoiled by seeing previews and pre-Wisdom Saga clips, I can understand how this happened. Also, purely because of God Games, I think we would have asked you to react to the stream anyway. That ending is something to behold when you’ve only listened to the song and have no idea THAT happened. Also, fun fact! In “Love in Paradise”, Calypso says that goddesses can’t die. HOWEVER, in actual Greek Mythology, there’s one god that Athena personally knew who died. She was her friend Pallas, child of Triton, who was coincidentally killed by Zeus :3
So to answer your question as best i can god technically cant die but their essence can be scattered this means they exist but not physically and take time to reform as physical beings, hope this helps
I don’t think Athena’s dead. Not only would that not make much sense in the context of the mythology, but in the original Odyssey, Athena plays a key part in Telemachus’s and Odysseus’s stories after the whole God Games thing. Also, gods technically can die, but there are usually traces of them. The original god of the sky, Ouranos, was killed by his son and Zeus’s father, Kronos. Kronos was later killed by Zeus. However, Kronos was still technically alive. His body, chopped into millions of tiny pieces, was thrown into Tartarus, the deepest part of the Underworld. Also, Ouranos still technically has traces left. Aphrodite was born from the chunks of Ouranos’s body foaming in the ocean. Also, the titan Atlas had to hold up the sky from touching the Earth as a punishment for siding with Kronos in the titan war. I don’t know if the mythology explicitly states why he has to hold up the sky, but I’m pretty sure it’s because Ouranos was married to the goddess of the earth, Gaea. So yes, a god can technically die, but they can still linger in some ways.
Calypso has no control and is herself trapped on the island. shes cursed for siding with her father, a Titan, when the Titans warred with the gods. She is so alone that whenever someone washes up on her island she, poisoned by loneliness will ply people with very toxic closeness love and care until they die of old age. but if she could leave she would
In Greek mythology other Gods can kill Gods. Their immortality is more like never ageing or never suffering from the stuff humans do (ie. Sickness , ageing)
I don’t know if they are going to help Odysseus maybe all the gods and goddesses that saw Zeus kill Athena will try to help Odysseus get home and as for the other sagas will just have to wait for it to come out and the animations
I mean at least when it comes to greek mythology, gods can, and have very much died. The Olympians (Zeus and the gang) killed their own parents and took power, and Zeus (kindof like Odin in Norse Mythology) is hung up on prophesies and such, and is terrified that humanity will one day be powerful enough kill them.
Well, from what i've known, not that i'm an expert or something, gods in general can't die. Unless they're deprived from their immortality. But i say this as someone who has not read the Odyssey and i could be wrong.
I’ll say, Ares’ pot shot at Telemachus may seem kind of uncalled for. But given what Ares’ represents. It’s almost understandable. There isn’t many excuses you could give Telemachus for how his fight with Antinous played out. You can’t say ‘he’s just a kid though!’ Because Telemachus is 20 years old already. Most warriors or just average men back in Ancient Greece at least learned how to fight way before the age of 13. Not to mention Telemachus was the one who squared up with Antinous even if Antinous was the one provoking him. Maybe Ares would’ve respected his courage. But the fact that ATHENA was the one who came in, gave Telemachus a buff and Telemachus STILL lost?! Ares is no doubt pissed about that because he probably was rooting for Telemachus.
I'll be honest... I clicked on the original video when it was premiering and it was during well be fine and you called Telemachus Odysseus and I just sighed and clicked off. Sorry 😭
It’s not really on you… the other sagas are very easy to understand without animations, this saga I think was not written as well lyrically. You basically *have* to have prior knowledge or watch the animations to get what’s happening here, especially in Little Wolf and God Games.
Give me some feedback on today's video. Was this better than the first attempt?
Great that you understood everything better, for the next saga definitely watch the livestream as well
I like that you gave it another try! But I also would have liked more of your own thoughts about the songs. In the first reaction, you also didn‘t comment that much on what you thought about the songs because you were confused. You could have talked first about your new impressions after getting more context before reading the summary. I still liked watching your reaction! :)
I'll keep that in mind for the next video thank you :)
Great job, thanks for doing a re-watch after last time. I think folks just got so excited to share in the fun that they got defensive when there was all that confusion. Very cool of you to go back for it. If you want another cheat sheet or anything for next time, I'm sure we can make something happen.
Calypso is a immortal God but Athena is not because in love in paradise it says bow down to the immortal calypso here to entertain
A fun little detail about Apollo is the fact that he's also the god of _prophecy_
So he knows exactly how everything will end, hence why he's the easiest to convince. He didn't put in any effort since he didn't need to.
Well, Zeus did say his name and who not want a front row seat to watch Athena try covering other? So the faster he agreed the better! 😂
Apollo be like: "*sigh* let's just get this over with 😑"
Fun fact (That I think is correct): The animator of "LIttle Wolf" Liam Davidson is an game dev working on an epic game
Really!!!!! Epic:The Game is a possibility
If I remember right Liam initially started the project independently after getting inspired by Epic and later was contacted by Jorge when he found out to work more closely with them on the game, which is rad af
Yep, he's actively working with the Epic crew for it.
Mortius and Casper both mentioned it casually like it was common knowledge.
Fun fact: Luke Holt actually woke up early in the morning to make his voice deeper for the final verse he says/sings at 32:32
6:20 this dog is over 20 years old, he was alive when Odysseus left home; I'm not surprised he's tired
In the original he stays alive just long enough for to see Odysseus again; but Ody has to ignore the dog when he comes to greet his master to fulfil his plan
The dog gives up, lays down and passes away
Luckily Jorge says he isn't gonna make us see that, he wanted the dog to show up in legendary and never again
Bro died off camera
@@NoisyBoy153 So did Elpenor 😔✊
@@OptimisticallyPessimistic Justice for the forgotten 😞✊
27:27 Not sure if you missed this in the animatic, but Hephaestus is voiced by Jorge’s dad. It was great to see that both his parents contributed vocally to this project. For those who don’t know, Jorge’s mom voiced Odysseus’s mom in the Underworld song.
I'm so glad that you noticed the winion twerking in the beggining of Love in Paradise 😂 the best thing in the whole sequence 🤭
Did you notice the line: " maybe I can sleep at night! "
And how it connects to odysseus's line in my goodbye "What’s a title that a goddess could lend if I’ll never sleep at night?" Apparently it isn't just Odysseus who's having trouble sleeping!
I love this, that moment feels like the first glimpse we see of Athena being truly affected by what happened, it really humanizes her and it makes the transition from "I'm not looking for a friend"(my goodbye) to "I had a friend once" feel like really natural character progression
It also proves his "you're alone" comment really hit the mark with her. @@qryptid
the whole sa thing does in fact happen in the og story, very explicitly in fact, which is surpising for the time period. Some of the translations of lines of that part of the story going as follows.
“In the nights, true, / he’d sleep with her in the arching cave - he had no choice - / unwilling lover alongside lover all too willing”
"Calypso is singing with her “breathtaking voice” and weaving at her loom while Odysseus “sat on a headland, weeping there as always, / wrenching his heart with sobs and groans and anguish, / gazing out over the barren sea through blinding tears”
Calypso would use him as such every night for the 7 years, bearing two children with him as refenced in the theogony, though this work came later it is still of note. In the odessey this would be the second time he'd be assaulted as in the original circe too, is less than properly consentual, though hers in a fashion where the change made for epic between them is still fitting. Calypso is simply stated.
Calypso's amusement here with odyessuess resistance, calling hom adorable, and her focus on how "life would be worse if he died", as it would be worse for *her*, when trying to speak him off the ledge, show that. As well as her usage of other's lines. Calling him ody as eurylochus had, saying he'll always be in her heart as odyessues mother had. Open arms, as polities had. All of which she has learned over the years of him talking in his sleep, as she had mentioned he does. Calypso is lonely, and will use odyessues to sate that.
This is my favorite analysis with reference to the Odyssey. People say the book shouldn't be used as a reference since the musical doesn't follow it fully, but when things are left open, the implications are clear. With circe, the song clearly went against the source with the fact that although she was charming him, he never fell under her spell because he directly interrupts her, changes the focus and gets out of there; whereas with Calypso, nothing is explicitly mentioned that draws us away from the conclusion that Jorge probably didn't stray from that part of the source this time.
People who say that the sa didn't happen fail to realize that Jorge left a 7 year gap that proceeded calypso's incessant need to be with Odysseus. Though he clearly stated he didn't want this, like with circe, Calypso simply told him there was nothing he could do, "mine, all mine", with no refocus, and then boom, 7 years later and he's on a cliff and athena states hes been trapped under her control. If she had been a companion instead, I doubt he'd have driven himself to that extent of suicidal ideation, and I would assume that Jorge would make it obvious that nothing happened just like he did with Circe.
Great observations of the end of that song as well! Made me tear up a bit
@@sunshi4929 You get me. I would call epic less an adaptation, and more a version of the odessey, as the story like many of that time, was originally spread via word of mouth. Any written works will be a version, of what was heard and known with reflections of the culture and opinons of the writer. Epic is no different. Circe was very noticably and specifically changed. One could go with the interpretation of ody being fairly distressed during it, my fave personally being anniflamma's animatic as it is a nice mix of simple seduction and that, of course, uneven power dynamic. But it is still changed. Circe relents in a way that feels proper to the story and even the source in some aspects.
With this, though, there is that time skip. Calypso's line of climbing into bed with him, and the following denial immediatly ignored by her, a big indication that in this version she AT BEST, sexually harassed him, which would harrowing enough for him on its own. To be driven so far, though, even with his past traumas, we see an escalation in his pain, and her there as an easy source to name. It is not wrong to use the book to explore these characters further, as it is for the book alone, that this musical exists. It does not mean people are not allowed to like calypso as a character, but it is immensely noticable he does not want her advances and the state "living in paradise with her" that has left him in, is a huge indication.
@Jmnl-b2l YEEESSSSS I feel like people get confused that by saying Calypso treated him the way most gods treat mortals- as objects to entertain them- doesn't make her a bad character, it doesn't mean you can't love her or her songs or her gorgeous vocals by the incredibly talented Ms Wangui, but it does mean that she is the child of a Titan who was treated in a messed up way and went on to use Odysseus in a messed up way. In the Odyssey, when Hermes comes to Calypso she pines that the gods are always meddling in affairs between gods and mortals and basically has a tantrum that it's unfair- and then relents and let's her favorite toy go. It's not quite star crossed lovers, it's very much one sided, and I think Epic sticks with that depiction of her.
Love Calypso. But man Ody has been through way too much
@@qryptid indeed. This man has been through HELL & back, quite literally, with all 600 of his men now dead, Gods wanting to kill him or make his life a living nightmare, the trip back home to Ithaca getting longer & longer, the list goes on & on. Hopefully by the next saga, Ody will FINALLY make it home. Bro has been through way too much for his likings.
Ehhhh the two children adaptation is essentially ancient fanfiction, and is mostly ignored by scholars. Its thought that it was originated in roman times and falsely attributed to Hesiod in order to give it more history
18:42 HE NOTICED THE TWERKING WINION !
I can not wait for this reaction of "OH so this was what the F was going on!" xD
4:46 THERE it is xD
It was unavoidable
The dog is a nod to the Odyssey before Odysseus left he had a dog and he's supper old here
Don't worry about misunderstanding the audio only videos. This saga is the first one that isn't told in Odysseus perspective and almost every reactor made same mistake.
I honestly don't mind when you misunderstand the story, it's hilarious lol. Keep up the good videos, my man!
I love how lighthearted you about about the roasting. I'm the same way when it comes to musicals, without visuals I struggle like crazy.
So Jorge was actually heavily inspired by video games when creating Epic and each new antagonist he comes up against is meant to be like a "boss battle". And don't quote me on this but I heard the person who animated the street fighter style for Little Wolf is actually working with the Epic crew to design an Epic the Musical inspired video game
Yeah. Only Telemachus could see Athena in the quick thought
During the flash back in god games, just after Zeus attacks Athena, you can hear Warrior of the Mind playing, but it transitions briefly into Legendary when Athena is handed Telemachus
The two kids has been a topic of debate on whether it’s true or not, but, yeah, everything else is spot on. She was so alone and delusional that she thought everything she did was ok. As Ody said- he was just a pet to her. Something cute to “entertain” her. While reading The Odyssey, my heart absolutely broke with the lines of him going to the beach and crying. Man couldn’t leave the island, unlike the sea where he always felt he had a way out. So, (and I WISH there had been TWs for these), grief, depression and suicidal thoughts overcame him. He wanted it all to end. After ten years, his first cry of despair was to the goddess who had left him. If she hadn’t answered, I have no doubt the musical would end with his death.
First off- always happy to help in any way.
Fun facts time. Happy you get to see the livestream- everything in the livestreams are canon, unlike fan animatics that have bits of canon dashed in.
The dog, Argos, is _old_ . He was around when Odysseus was home, but he’s still alive to protect the family.
When Telemachus says asks for help, the screen flashes blue. Athena was watching.
The Olympians shown are gods. There are twelve major ones, and those are a few. Zeus is the god of gods, then comes Poseidon and Hades.
Hera is Zeus’ wife, but, yk, man doesn’t really care. That’s one reason why Athena’s “never once has he cheated on his wife” worked.
fun fact, the person who animated the fight sections of little wolf is the person developing the epic the musical game, that's why they went for the game style (besides that epic was based on video games musically)
also, not to try and justify calypso... but she's not really doing it with the worst of intentions. she herself is trapped on the island if i remember right, ody is the first person she's seen in quite some times outside of the gods so she clings to ody. plus she wants someone to love as she's envious of all the gods and how they can have all the lovers and concubines they could ever want or need, but the one man that comes to her island doesn't love her back plus he gets ripped away from her leaving her all alone again
while gods/goddesses are immortal, it's common practice that gods can kill each other. but it's highly unlikely that zeus killed athena as for one, she's his daughter and also athena still has a large part to play throughout the rest of epic/odyssey
@@TheRoseLovelessthe road to hell is paved with good intentions. Plus I think it’s kind of hard *not* to have bad intentions when sa’ing some one
@@PineMountainMusician i didn't mean good intentions as in she's so noble and pure. i meant in comparison to half the greek pantheon who do the same thing or worse, at least she comes from a place of good intentions of actually wanting love, unlike zeus who shags anything that moves
So it is possible that she is dead, as Zeus does have the power to remove a god's power. As in mythology, he did take away Asclepius's (Apollo's son) power by striking him with his lightning bolt, this was also done to Apollo (he got it back later) after he took revenge against the cyclops that made the lightning bolt.
Edit: this also happened in the Illiad (to Poseidon and Apollo (why does this keep happening to Apollo))
If Apollo got stripped of his god power, it's no wonder he let Athena pass.
If Apollo had a penny for every time he got stripped of his powers, he'd have two pennies. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Argos is twenty years old at this point, too 😢
Yes! telemachus was the only one able to see and feel athena’s presence during little wolf, in epic athena has the ability to go into a person’s mind and communicate through his powers: quick thought which was referenced when telemachus asked if time was slowing down and athena replied that she just made his thoughts quicker (hence warrior of the mind) this would also imply that this is how athena is able to train all her heroes and warriors during wars and battles
Telemachus (Tell-em-ick-us)
He noticed the winion!!
Fun fact; the pre-choruses for Legendary are reprisals of Full Speed Ahead.
Also, Jorge had said he wanted this Saga to really feel like progressing through levels of a game. So we get like an actual game-like animatic for the whole song of Little Wolf, and God Games is supposed to be like going through levels as well. Jorge has been super inspired by games as well as anime for his music.
For We'll Be Fine, apparently for the "then his light went dark" bit, Athena is directly referring to Polites. There's the cut song for him called Your Light; she's calling Polites Ody's Light, and when he died that Light went out.
Watch Jorge's face during the last bit of Love in Paradise. He WROTE this trauma and even he's affected watching that whole bit.
For God Games, Ares' motif is the same as Athena's, just with a different instrument. They're both different sides to the same War coin, so it makes sense they share a motif.
actually if you think about it, Calypso was alone all her life on this island. Ody being there to him was kidnapping but to her was a supposed gift'' from the gods
I always liked Ares as a character/mythological figure but when I played Hades, I had a crush at once. His design is beautiful and the voice...I really like this rough and dark version of him here as well
31:56 this animatic was done by Anniflama. Who has her own version of these characters. And her concept for Hera is actually based off her animap form tye Peacock which I think fits the flashy disco aesthetic more.
I'm glad my summary helped you! Most of the information I gave you was from J himself, but I also put my own knowledge in it. In my explanation for "Love in Paradise" I said it's implied that Calypso SA'd Odysseus. This is NOT something Jorge has confirmed yet. I added that tibit because in the original Epic that is something that happens. But J might change that.
And as for the ending, it is not confirmed that Athena died. It's likely that she didn't die but I'm not sure which direction J is going in. There are many things in which J sticks to the original source material, but he also take a lot of creative liberties. So we will all find out soon, lol.
If you ever need more information I will gladly help!
Fun fact, the dog following Telemachus in Legendary originally belongs to Odysseus. He's had him since before he left Ithaca for the Trojan War, last I checked. This is Ody's dog 20 years later. Old Age has sadly caught up to the poor k-9.
Loved the reaction and analysis!! Visuals help a lot but I enjoy watching you react to both. First to figure it out then to get further understanding!
Also regarding Calypso, I don’t believe the SA will be featured in Epic. I also hope not. She says she brings no harm and she is also a prisoner of the island (epic and odyssey) so I’d prefer she not turn into a villain. We need more than Polites and Aeolus to be a fun light!
Last correction sorry, Calypso did not kidnap him, he was sent to this island by Zeus after Thunderbringer as punishment.
When he said Ody could befriend the suitors I laughed
They Will ALL die
HE ACTUALLY NOTICED THE WINION!!! The literal only person who i’ve seen catch that
just saw you had this video in addition to the other reaction vid to wisdom saga. please, i hope you're not taking some people's anger or frustration to heart. i hope this continues to be something you enjoy watching, reacting to, and sharing with us. i appreciate it.
*-cookies-*
also as a help, timeline: telemachus born, ody leaves for trojan war which lasts 10 years, trojan war ends and ody begins the journey home (the odyssey/epic the musical) the story of which takes ~10 years, so here, telemachus is ~20 yrs old
While the whole "Calypso SA" thing may have happened in the original Odyssey, it doesn't seem to happen in Epic. Firstly, Calypso acts much less forceful in Love in Paradise than in the og story, she is specifically linked to Polites with the "open arms" thing, and honestly, I doubt they would link her to Polites if she was doing things that horrible. Not to mention in the demo for "Not Sorry for Loving You" (the next Calypso song in the next saga) Odysseus admits he loves her, just platonically rather than romantically, and I doubt he would do that if he was literally being assaulted by her.
i'm kinda surprised that no one knew Calypso because of Pirates of the Carribean.
Oh, that moment of "Love in Paradise" is actually worse. Calypso called him "Ody" like Eurylochus, said she would "stay inside [his] heart" like his mother did in the Underworld and "open arms" like Polites. So, logically this triggers him to remember all three of these lost loved ones and hear their voices.
That moment in the livestream was awful and a little funny, everyone was freaking out, yelling out for Jorge and calling him Captain. People we're asking who reported the stream and telling them to take a torch.
I love our community!
I am so glad you went back and watched the livestream animatics. I was laughing the whole time when you realized your misunderstandings. It's such a great time watching people get into Epic the first time, and somehow especially people unfamiliar with the story of the Odyssey.
There are only 10 songs (2 sagas) left for the musical soundtrack, and I hope that you react to them when they come out! ☺
I've watched all your videos for EPIC, and really enjoyed your commentary! I also appreciate that you put in the effort to figure things out, and understand all the details even when you make a mistake.
I was wondering if you'd react to Neal Illustrators Animatic for 'God Games'? It's amazing! Looking forward to the Vengeance Saga :))
Just to clarify: Calypso is just as trapped on the island by zues as odysseus is. She's been stuck alone for an eternity and can controls whether or not ppl can find and leave the island and actively makes it a paradise herself. Even so its implied zues asked her to do so.
And no its not implied that odysseus is SA 'ed at the end but it is implied that he was about to commit die of the cliff
I don't see how it is not implied with "soon into bed we'll climb" then "hell no" which Calypso concludes with "you're mine, all mine", after trapping him for seven years, I feel like she wouldn't have had shied away from getting what she wants considering how careless she seemed about his consent
But ty for reminding that she is also trapped , it's helpful to understand her behaviour even though being a victim doesn't make it ok to be abusive
@@cid_of_krebs well it was definitely sexual harassment but assault is different and so much worse. Also she was never particularly forceful either and more just annoying abt it, but Harassment non the less.
Calypso being trapped/ cursed is actually an invention of Rick Riordan for the Percy Jackson series, there is no mention of it in Homer's works. Just FYI. I'm not sure if Jorge is using that as fact in Epic or not.
@@Sarah_Squeaks I think she actually was sent there as punishment tho cuz of her parents being titans, right?
Google says so and doesn’t mention the percy Jackson books
if you'd like to learn more about greel mythology, you should totally watch Overly Sarcastic Productions! there's even a video about the Odyssey
That sounds interesting. I may have to dive into that!
@@ItsVideoYTthat would be great, but beware, that would spoil the story for you, unless you don’t mind that, that is
@ilikeswords5877 ill most likley do it after we finsh this whole story unless people really want it
@@ItsVideoYT that works
In the video by overly sarcastic productions there was a part where Odysseus said full speed ahead and I remember that like 2 of the top comments were epic fans freaking out because the video came out wayyyyy before epic. Very funny
I loved your reaction 🤩, tbh the visual do make it easier to understand.
I don't believe Athena is actually dead, in Greek mythology it's said that the god's bleed gold ichor (gold blood), I think what calypso said it true, they can't die. or zeus may have stripped Athena of her divinity before hitting her with a final lightbolt, but I doubt that.
In Love in Paradise, Calypso mentions that Odysseus talks in his sleep which then ties into her chose of words at the end of the song.
Things he was probably saying in his sleep--
* "i'll stay inside your heart" is what his mother was saying when in the Underworld
* "open arms" obviously opens arms is Polites song
She was attempting to console him with words from his past but ends up triggering a panic attack. Notice how after she says 'stay inside your heart' is when he starts singing louder. He's trying to drown out her words. just to make that song even sadder.
In God Games, specifically Ares and Aphrodite and Hera.
First what you gotta know is that in the greek myths (depending where you read) Hephaestus takes Hera hostage and Zeus gives him Aphrodite to wed to appease him and release Hera. BUUUUUTTT Aphrodite is lowkey tryna be with Ares. After Hephaestus finds out about Ares and Aphrodite he locks them up in the gold bedroom to humiliate them and expose their infidelity to the rest of olympus. Hence why they conceded kind of begrudgingly coz she brings up them being lovers on top of debasing their points. And also it is very well known that 90% of Greek Mythology stems from Zeus being unable to keep it in his pants and not being faithful to Hera, Hence why Hera concedes after hearing that Odysseus has never cheated on Penelope despite being apart for 20yrs.
Oh I love this reflection and new Video. Well done. ❤
I like to think that Athena spent those 10 years pouting in her room about her fight with Odysseus.
Then she goes to Ithaca looking for him so they can make up, only to find out he's still missing...
31:46 You're the dancing queen~
FINALLY YOU GET IT BRO. I'm proud of you man
"Maybe he can forge a relationship with the suitors" - oh lorddd
Fun fact: The Odyssey begins with Athena trying to convince the gods to release Odysseus- so we're actually finally at the beginning of the original story!
The implication that Calypso sexually assaulted Odysseus is not clearly defined, as interpretations vary. In 'Love in Paradise,' Odysseus expresses regret over the loss of his men and friends, avoiding any suggestion of assault. Similarly, 'Epic: The Musical' omits any such implications, notably excluding the episode of Odysseus with Circe. Further evidence against the notion of assault is Athena's assurance to Hera that Odysseus remained faithful to Penelope, suggesting a different dynamic between Calypso and Odysseus.
during the calypso song it wasn't just Polites that she references in the song we heard his mother and his second in command the reason why their voices appeared was when she called him Ody which is the name his second in command called him by and for his mother, she says I'll stay inside your heart which his mother told him in the underworld which made it so much better when all three of them were heard
Athena isn't dead. She's merely unconscious.
My favorite fun fact about this musically cuz I love to analyze music haha. But in god games, when she jumps back to that 20 years, you can hear the exact moment that she gets handed telemecus because the song stops from warrior of the mind to legendary. Its awesome
If you do another vid for alternate animatics i recommend Duvetbox's Legendary and Little Wolf theyre so good!!
Edit: also AnniFlamma's Ruthlessness
The dog is called Argo. In the myths the already old dog waited 20 years for ody to come home and the moment he saw ody safe he promptly died
Gods can’t “die” just get put out of commission for years at a time
Athena having this almost maternal energy towards Telemachus hits so much different when you've listened to Teagan's Mother songs
quick note; Ares is almost always drawn as a greek hoplite, with a kuras, helmet, and shin protectors
god of war, specifically war as experienced by soldiers - the fighting, the pain, the bloodshed as opposed to Athena, goddess of war as fought by generals (through strategy)
kind of the punchingbag of the pantheon in most tellings, but if you read between the lines he really is exactly as cool as he looks - plus v protective of whatever kids he has (surely nothing to do with him being the god of war right
Misunderstanding is not really a problem it happens to everyone lol. Biggest tip i can give is there will always be context clues, so dont read too far into the lyrics till after you hear the song fully. At first focus on the lyrics. Watching the livestream at lauch or after, would be helpful fo you as well👍
Remember Calypso said goddeses can't die
I think you are First one to see the Winions twerking:)
Yipppeee new video
Fun fact: Ares actually starts the Greek version of the Ragnarok, but instead of all gods dying he just made Zeus Choose to get killed or close All the “Doors” leading to the mortal world, and Zeus chose the latter.
It’s so cute you singing along ❤❤❤
Greek names are tricky, but here they are phonetically: Tell-em-a-cuss, Oh-dis-ee-us, Anne-tin-oo-us
Fun fact about the doggo that's in the Legendary animatic, that's Argos. Odysseus' dog.
hey man remember that backrooms rabbit hole you dug yourself? its about to get deeper my friend because slmccl posted another backrooms video :)
What little I know of about Calypso or Kalypso (Other than Calypso is a type of music, of which is played for her song and she has steel drums before she begins to speak as a hint to who she is) is that she is a nymph daughter of the Titan named Atlas/Oceanus/Nereus (Various mythology stories as is normal) and sea nymph Pleione/Tethys. We actually have no information of what she's supposed to be a Goddess OF really, only guess I've ever seen is she's a sea Goddess of beauty. Oh and uh, one little fact I know is she has "been" with Hermes before.
Calypso music is really nice if you ever look it up. The steel drum is a very distinct instrument.
Jokes aside, you’re a visual learner and that’s fine. For someone who has no background on the Odyssey, isn’t heavily obsessed with Epic, or doesn’t want to be spoiled by seeing previews and pre-Wisdom Saga clips, I can understand how this happened.
Also, purely because of God Games, I think we would have asked you to react to the stream anyway. That ending is something to behold when you’ve only listened to the song and have no idea THAT happened.
Also, fun fact! In “Love in Paradise”, Calypso says that goddesses can’t die. HOWEVER, in actual Greek Mythology, there’s one god that Athena personally knew who died. She was her friend Pallas, child of Triton, who was coincidentally killed by Zeus :3
The twerking winion 😂
30:19 literally every spartan ever
I’m glad you messed up. It gives me an excuse to listen to the wisdom saga again.
I would never throw a rock at you.
13:35 if it's like in the myths, onky Telemachus could see her then
So to answer your question as best i can god technically cant die but their essence can be scattered this means they exist but not physically and take time to reform as physical beings, hope this helps
I just love how he says Telemachus😂
I don’t think Athena’s dead. Not only would that not make much sense in the context of the mythology, but in the original Odyssey, Athena plays a key part in Telemachus’s and Odysseus’s stories after the whole God Games thing. Also, gods technically can die, but there are usually traces of them. The original god of the sky, Ouranos, was killed by his son and Zeus’s father, Kronos. Kronos was later killed by Zeus. However, Kronos was still technically alive. His body, chopped into millions of tiny pieces, was thrown into Tartarus, the deepest part of the Underworld. Also, Ouranos still technically has traces left. Aphrodite was born from the chunks of Ouranos’s body foaming in the ocean. Also, the titan Atlas had to hold up the sky from touching the Earth as a punishment for siding with Kronos in the titan war. I don’t know if the mythology explicitly states why he has to hold up the sky, but I’m pretty sure it’s because Ouranos was married to the goddess of the earth, Gaea. So yes, a god can technically die, but they can still linger in some ways.
Hi could you put Hailey on the whiteboard please (love your videos btw)
Isn't Athena Zeus's Daughter?
Calypso has no control and is herself trapped on the island. shes cursed for siding with her father, a Titan, when the Titans warred with the gods. She is so alone that whenever someone washes up on her island she, poisoned by loneliness will ply people with very toxic closeness love and care until they die of old age. but if she could leave she would
Argos 😢
btw gods cant die, its not that theyre so strong that nobody can kill them but they legit lack the capacity to die at all
Zeus has the power to turn a God mortal tho. He's done it to Poseidon before
Sooo where's the actual animatics for circes saga😢
In Greek mythology other Gods can kill Gods. Their immortality is more like never ageing or never suffering from the stuff humans do (ie. Sickness , ageing)
I don’t know if they are going to help Odysseus maybe all the gods and goddesses that saw Zeus kill Athena will try to help Odysseus get home and as for the other sagas will just have to wait for it to come out and the animations
I mean at least when it comes to greek mythology, gods can, and have very much died. The Olympians (Zeus and the gang) killed their own parents and took power, and Zeus (kindof like Odin in Norse Mythology) is hung up on prophesies and such, and is terrified that humanity will one day be powerful enough kill them.
Well, from what i've known, not that i'm an expert or something, gods in general can't die. Unless they're deprived from their immortality. But i say this as someone who has not read the Odyssey and i could be wrong.
Tbh not that many gods were hit by Super Saiyan zeus lightning soo 🧐
After this, are you planning on reacting to any other musicals? Also… could I be on the board 👀
I'm pretty sure Telemachus is actually pronounced with stress on the "le" syllable (so Te-LE-machus, not Tele-MA-chus) :)
i think they didn’t know athena was there, cous let’s be honest, would u continue a fight after a god steped in on the other team…
I’ll say, Ares’ pot shot at Telemachus may seem kind of uncalled for. But given what Ares’ represents. It’s almost understandable. There isn’t many excuses you could give Telemachus for how his fight with Antinous played out. You can’t say ‘he’s just a kid though!’ Because Telemachus is 20 years old already. Most warriors or just average men back in Ancient Greece at least learned how to fight way before the age of 13. Not to mention Telemachus was the one who squared up with Antinous even if Antinous was the one provoking him. Maybe Ares would’ve respected his courage. But the fact that ATHENA was the one who came in, gave Telemachus a buff and Telemachus STILL lost?! Ares is no doubt pissed about that because he probably was rooting for Telemachus.
Whoever helped you did such a good job and that was lovely
Oh those who know who Argo is 😢
Btw where did you read the info? Was it from a wikki artical in specific?
A viewer on the last video commented and helped me out :)
Ah okay 👍
Just to clarify:
Telemachus is pronounced Telem-uh-kus
and Antinous is pronounced An-tin-you-us
Honestly being wrong is fine and can sometimes make a video interesting
I'll be honest... I clicked on the original video when it was premiering and it was during well be fine and you called Telemachus Odysseus and I just sighed and clicked off. Sorry 😭
I was waiting for someone to notice that I made that mistake
Can I be on the board sire 🎉❤❤❤
It’s not really on you… the other sagas are very easy to understand without animations, this saga I think was not written as well lyrically. You basically *have* to have prior knowledge or watch the animations to get what’s happening here, especially in Little Wolf and God Games.