Love reviews from people that have actually tried it out for more then a few hours and not wanting to just say great things. Nice balanced, honest, review. Great work Beca.
56 years old and only just got into camping recently found your channel love it and did my first solo camp for 4 days recently and absolutely loved it. Find you such a positive person and a great balanced review of the tent. I have got an msr freelite which I have found brilliant. Never really thought I would have the confidence to solo camp but have found your posts inspiring. Thank you
MSR gets bad press about not being able withstand high winds, but I used my Hubba Solo for years with no problem. Definitely more confident with the MSR than my Nemo Osmo Hornet Elite 2p. The Nemo is definitely a fair weather friend!
Nice to see you back on TH-cam! I already feared that you stopped posting material from your long walk home. But there you are 🤗 I have only one tent and a (special) bivvy bag. They work in all weather conditions and are actually suited for expeditions. At least the tent is not really lightweight (2.8 kg with pegs and groundsheet) - but how helpful is a tent that collapses or soaks water like a sponge. I therefore save some weight in other areas and at the end it works for me. Already looking forward to any news from you!
It's a shame because I'm so short and quite light, for thru hiking it's reccomeded you carry 20-25% of your body weight max, so I cant really go higher than 13/14kg including water and food, which usually makes 6kg of the pack. It's such a hard game to play..., I swapped her out for the hubba nx1 which is 1.1kg and worked wonders x
People just say good stuff about things they are reviewing (or may be complain about aesthetics) but this is the most honest "in-action real-world" review I've ever seen. Thank you so much for taking time out in your trails to review this for us. Cheers !
I bought this last year in time for a summer wild camp where I was going ultralightweight. I invested a lot of money into lightweight pack, bag, etc, including this amazingly light tent. It is technically brilliant and completely waterproof (including the floor). BUT I spent most nights awake staring up at the poles as the wind hammered against it. The first evening it collapsed in on itself. No damage ,thankfully. It never did it again but I was careful to always pitch it into the prevailing wind and pray it didn't change. It was the Lake District, which is rough even in summer. This year it's the Rhinogs and I'm seriously considering taking my 4-season Terra Nova Southern Cross 2. It's a lot heavier, but I value a good night's sleep when hillwalking!
Update - I took my Southern Cross 2. Generally fine weather but the windy times made me glad I brought it and not the Nemo. Plus it got quite chilly in the small hours before dawn and I would have been pretty cold in the Nemo. My Southern Cross 2 will now be my main tent (amongst several) when I'm not hammocking.
MSR Hubba NX got me through the WHW in some awful weather, full on Scottish weather. No leaks and survived some stormy highland winds in Glen Coe. Yes it was a few grams over 1kg but it was reassuring to have a good well tested tent that didn't let me down. Ther is always going to be a compromise when you're trying to save weight.
Can I ask when you bought your Hubba? The reason I ask is that MSR are currently on version 7, so what you have may not be what I've just bought. Which, incidentally, let water in both at the top and the bottom during a rainy night's test pitch in my garden with nobody in it.
@@UseUsernameNotInUse yeah, lasts version of hubba hubba mysterious leaks appearing everywhere, snapping end tips, cracking poles, flysheet desaline with pole estruture. I'm disappointed. the 3 season in UK is not the same 3 season on south California. ultralight is not compatible with strong and longevity. cheers all❤❤
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Good video. I always take reviews with a pinch of salt when I'm watching tent reviews by US based Hikers. I've stuck with my Hubba because it does well in wind and rain, a lot better than a lot of the trendy ultralight tents.
I have the Nemo Hornet OSMO 1P (not elite) and agree with everything you say. It really is a fair-weather tent. I've only ever used mine with a Polycro (30g) groundsheet so not had any leakage personally. The tiny velcro pole attachments are useless, I'm still looking for ways to beef them up so they at least stay fastened, and the guylines can do their job properly.
Wow, I did not expect that price tag. It's got some nice little design bits though. I'm not sure I'll ever have an inner first tent in the UK though, I've had too many unpleasant surprises with the bloody weather! This is only the second video I've seen of someone absolutely rinsing a tent. I think iirc the first was Haze Outdoors. Good to see as I'm much less trusting of brands these days.
You have to be careful with US designs - they're often aimed at sheltered camping in the woods in dry climates. Safer to go with Scottish or Scandinavian brands unless you really know what you're looking for. At a minimum you need: 1) Outer-first pitching - inner-first like the Hornet is a nightmare in heavy rain 2) A deep bathtub with fabric that's beefy enough to pitch in a bog 3) A sheltered entrance that doesn't drip into the living area when you open the door for venting, cooking and exiting 4) A fly that can be pegged low to the ground - 20d minimum for 3 season, and 30d for 4 season 5) A structure designed to take 40 mph+ winds. With a freestanding design, you simply ain't going to get all that for 600 grams. The low weight is seductive, but there's light and then there's stupid light. A freestanding double-skinned tent that can take exposed UK wild-camping is simply going to weigh more than that, and we just have to suck it up.
Yeah I totally agree, I was happy to swap this out later on for my msr... Although it's inner first, it's so quick to pitch I don't mind. But the nemo was just trash
I have/had (now the seams are no longer properly sealed due to the glue coming off over time) a Wechsel Pathfinder 1P. It is almost 3 times the weight but I did 8 months and almost 18000km on a bicycle across Europe, and did not regret having it. I started off on the 1st of March 2019 from South West Germany and went westwards across France. Two weeks (give or take) of almost constant rain and wind (I had to push my bicycle DOWNHILL!) and never got wet inside. The next big rain hit I had to endure was in Galicia, where you will get so drenched on top of the bicycle that you can just squeeze your fist in the glove and it will leak like a hose. The tent survived. Went across Southern Europe (Spain, France, Central Italy) with all that sun. During the crossing between Czech Republic and Poland my thermometer was showing around 40+ deg Celcius in the sun. On my way across Central Sweden and then South Norway - rain. A friend of mine swears by the Nemo Hornet 2P (not Elite!). However, I am not sure how much it endures for long periods of exposure to bad weather. He has only had short trips with it. The truly decent tent starts to shine when you have to live in it for days, weeks and even months in a row enduring the elements. Thanks for the review. I love hearing from people, who actually have actively tested the product and are not just paid to promote it (probably 99.9% of all TH-cam and otherwise reviews on the Internet). Much appreciated!
Great to see you again :) Nice, honest review. I see there are quite a few design flaws, I wouldn't trust it al all in our worsening climate. I'll stick to using my Lanshan, much more reliable and a fraction of the price of the Nemo.
Great to see you back on youtube gathered from your previous enthusiasm that there were software difficulties with upload not a loss of interest☹ That tent really is crap I'm glad you managed to find some good things to say about it 🙂I generally just wild camp (cowboy camp)and only use a tent in adverse conditions (or on site) and use very cheap ones that work well enough 1.5kg of bliss in a storm 😁 looking forward to the next one 🤗& 😙
Awww thanks buddy. Yeah I was editing on my phone and it was so hard to keep up. The camera was full half way through, which is a shame as I'll have to do a summary of the last 800 miles but I'm glad I recorded some bits x
What has NEMO said in response to these issues? I seen you mention MSR.. I do not recommend the new 2025 MSR LT series. I purchased the Hubba Hubba LT1 and I have been through three.. each has showed up with manufacturer defects.. seems completely missed at the top of bathtub floor. Rainfly fit terribly. Quality control with MSR has gone down hill. Check into the new 2025 model Big Agnes tents with ''Hyper Bead'' technology
I just came back from the South West coast path to my home in Ny. I used the nemo hornet 2p soggy wet from the mist over Salcombe. Switching too the hyperlite.
very diplomatic critique and highlighting the favorable and not so ...aspects! So a balanced revue by our Girl! Hope you are refunded and that the Nemo company employ you for new product try outs and reviews!!
Great comment & totally agree...? Very honest review... Some good features & not so good... & I'd say No it's not really a tent suitable for general UK weather... I have tents with a Flysheets about an inch/2 max from the ground all around, but probably ok for fine , dry & non-windy weather...!😄🙏👍
Great vid @MUDDY BOOTLACES I learn years ago not to listen to companies from different climates. Buy buy local. Not so much here, but local climates. I.e. UL/seasons are different in Arazona compared to Patagonia. You get that. I learned like you did. From buying.
Nicely said,,I had problems with a Vango Cairngorm 200 and after making contact with them they were more than willing to renew,,so I hope you have the same success as I did and get a refund and /or a tent more suitable!!
Awwww thats so lovely. It was quite a battle to get a refund with these guys as I bought it from an outlet supplier. Eventually I did get my money back hut they didn't test it, just said it was "in grace"
@@muddy_bootlaces That's a good result,, hopefully it will all go smoothly now 🤞 wishing you all the best for many more stunning sunrises and sunsets, have a great adventure,,I'm in the planning process for my 60th year ,next year 😜 onwards and upwards 🌠
Great review Beca. Totally fair and based on real world experience. I've looked at the Nemo (and Big Agnes) tents before as a lightweight option but have always had reservations. I opted for a Nordisk Telemark 2.2 in the end (which I got for a reasonable price) and have just started to use it so stay tuned! All ther best, Andy 😁👍
I'm glad i found this review, I'm trying to find light weight tent, witch i would use in Ireland, i was looking at hornet, but i was bit concerned with how light the bath tub is irish ground is always wet and spongy.
Yeah, i think it would just soak up the Irish bog water to be fair... I even had damp patches on sand mate, so knowing that Ireland is like Cornwall, I really wouldn't reccomend. X
Physics dictates that performance and weight are exclusive. A UK 4 season 2 man tent will weigh over 2kg, otherwise there is not enough Al poles or sufficiently strong materials and guy points.
I live in the Pacific Northwest, west of the cascade mountains. We have similar weather. I never purchased a Nemo because the rain fly doesn’t cover the bathtub on the ends. Which in our weather, water would splash up, making a miserable experience. I have seen some videos since that lightweight Nemo’s are not suited for moderate to heavy rain.
used a Nemo galaxy 2p for about 6 or 7 years and its a brilliant tent ,its a heavier tent but like you said Nemo have brilliant designs to make pack backing comfortable and easy ,last couple years ive used a zpacks duplex ive had that in pretty high winds and with it being dcf its 100% waterproof
Good Review 🙂Never had Nemo tent but i do have a big Agnes fly creek 2 for a few yr and its a bit pants in winds but its been through huge downpours and never let me down. Just got a Xmid 1pro and taking that up to Skye next month, ive no idea how that is gonna go lol
Great video, thanks for making it. I really think Nemo went too far with the Elite versions of these tents. The regular versions are only a few ounces more and use more robust materials as I understand it. There is really a use case for a tent like this but it's not for 99.9% of people and I think it is unfortunate how it has been marketed, especially where you live. In the western U.S. where I am, we can go weeks or even months without rain. While we do get strong winds it is less frequent and often more predictable so it would be appropriate in some cases here, like bug protection and insurance from an unexpected storm, but I'd use some type of ground sheet 100% of the time to avoid punctures. I guess that's where Dyneema tents shine. Quite robust, waterproof, light, and of course even more expensive. Unfortunately not enough free standing, wind worthy designs as of now. I'm looking forward to checking out more of your content.
The floor sounds like a manufacturing issue, and definitely not normal. If you send it in they’ll either fix the waterproofing or more likely recycle it and provide a new tent. That said, you live in a super windy country why would you think an ultralight tent was a good idea? If you get extreme winds throughout the year you need a 4 season tent. It’s not a temp rating, it measures the tents ability to withstand wind and snow. For the people seeing this review
Hello I am AlonsoG from Spain I would like to buy a new tent and this Nemo is one of them. What do you know about Msr Freelite 2 . Wich one. Spain weather ...kind of 3 season Msr
1200 mm hydrostatic head on a groundsheet or fly sheet is not something that I would have any confidence in. I’m pretty sure from my GoOutdoor days that to pass a definition of waterproof 1000 mm is the threshold. The Nemo barely scrapes over the bar! 3000mm is my starting point.
I bought the last version, and my dad loved how LITE it felt in his hands so bought one for himself before doing a chunk of the PCT. Then we both realized how much this tent sucked ass. Fortunately I learned this the relatively easier way, when I put a hole in the mesh simply by... holding it while pitching the tent. I then proceeded to put more holes than trips in the tent (3 to 2). Two of the holes were repaired when I sent it back, the third was returned from the shop "repaired" but tore immediately on pitching the tent in my living room. My poor dad learned the worse of this tent's suckage while on the PCT: that the bathtub is not water proof, nor is it water resistant, and in fact it becomes an actual bathtub after two days of rain. THIS TENT SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN A BUG NET (if you're okay with the occasional bug getting through due to the holes you'll make during the normal setup process)
For wet weather a tent which you have to pitch inner first is useless as it will get soaked if pitching in the rain I have a vango and can’t fault it, pitch the outer first , climb in and attach the inner and reverse to pack up
Great video 👌🏼 really enjoyed it and super informative. I 100% recommend the Duration x-mid for distance hiking 🥾 if you use hiking poles is a no brainier loads of space and super lightweight. I’m sure if you reached out they’ll hook u up 👌🏼. Keep up the great work
Hello Beca Tell me, did you get an answer from Nemo about the tent that is not waterproof on the ground? Is it a manufacturing defect or are they all like that?
She posted about this on her insta, but basically she never got an answer from nemo, the company she bought it from said it was never returned (but she paid for extra tracking and showed proof of signature) so the company she bought it from refunded her.
Tbh, manufacturers, vendors and users need to get away from using 2/3/4 season as descriptions. It's essentially meaningless as a description, especially without a location. Tell me what sustained windspeed it can keep shape in, tell me what sustained weight (snow) if you really need to tell me. That'll tell me what seasons it'll manage in my camping locations.
Just my tuppenceworth. Trying not to generalise, but having climbed and camped in Scotland for 40 years .........I'd avoid most US stuff. Different market, made for different conditions. MSR and TNF have some good Euro specific offerings, but mainstream stuff like Hille, Terra Nova, f10, Lightwave, Nordisk and even Robens kit is much safer for UK. I've tried for decades to get that one exception to a super/lightweight but "robust" tent. Lasercomp is as close as I got, but even then ....... Take care and enjoy your outdoors.
I hope you got a refund. This tent is so hyped because it weighs little and does have some good ideas, as you pointed out. I almost bought it. Then I saw that it was only waterproofed for 1200 mm, which made me suspicious. Your review confirmed my qualms about the tent. Thanks for the honest review.
I absolutely love your vids !! You're so full energy even though you're a dirty vegan😂😂 ( i actually, like a lot of your certain recipes )keep up the good work..! ......I've owned a hilleburg akto very good for wind and in shit conditions ....had to sell it due to money issues .... I've now got a Nordisk telemark pu 2.2....not properly tested it out, but it could be an option seam sealed from the factory as compared to the Lw( which is not ) one plus its stronger material and cheaper ......
Bless you ! That’s rubbish they will have to give you a refund. The good old Lanshan although heavier and cheaper is far better than that. Good luck with getting your refund. What do you think you will get next ? Cheers Graham
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Aren't you supposed to put a ground sheet underneath the tent. Maybe that would reduce the water. Also i don't think you should leave the fly door open at night. If you want to reduce condensation, open the mesh door a bit.
Might aswelll buy a tent that's cheaper and a little heavier, but waterproof if that's the case... I think for the price tag the point she is making is that you shouldn't have to buy all the expensive heavy extras to make it work x
Had the previous hornet, looks like the weight saving on this one has compromised it a lot. Did however have an issue with the bug net being so thin, managed to get a tare far too easily. I find these ultralight tents are just way too fragile to be shedding out hundreds of pounds on them. You're extremely lucky whoever you purchased it from is even entertaining the thought of refunding you after using it for 3 weeks. Joys of being a youtuber n not a regular consumer I guess
Hiya lovely, I jsut wanted to clarify that they didn't know I had a TH-cam or an Instagram, I sent them a lot of footage about the leaking bathtub and it collapsing in mild wind (accidentslly deleted that footage so couldn't put it on this video) but I'm not someone to try and blackmail a company... The tent was clearly misold as suitable for the uk summer season, and it was not, that's why they gave a refund... Sorry to hear you weren't able to get one for your nemo that ripped though. Hopefully you were able to get it fixed xx
@@muddy_bootlaces thanks for the clarification but I feel I should point out that at no point did I accuse you of trying to blackmail anybody here. I didn't make a warranty claim on mine, I don't think rips are covered, especially since it was me who caused it, was nothing a patch couldn't fix. Plus I bought mine 2nd hand and I believe you need to provide proof of purchase for a UK claim. What I was primarily trying to get across is that if my older, slightly heavier version was so fragile, I don't trust that this new, lighter and even thinner osmo range would be any better. Don't get me wrong tho, my hornet served me well in some wild conditions, had no issues with rain or even waking in over half a foot of snow one morning but it did struggle with wind in exposed areas. I sold mine a while back and have had a couple of tents since then. Weight is important when trekking but it comes to a point where a tent is just too light to be able to perform, especially 2-3 season (UK summer) camping. Apologies, I clearly ramble in more ways than one. Hopefully that made sense and caused no further offence
Shame really. As you say, a lot of thought has gone into the design but, ultimately, the materials appear to be too light to support the design. I recognise a lot of design features from my go-to 1-person tent, the MSR Freelite 1. Of course, that's a fair bit heavier at 1.29kg (including the MSR footprint.
I live in NW Washington state where it rains A LOT. We get snow, rain, wind, pretty much every type of weather you can think of and I have had zero problems with mine. Also just finished the PCT with this tent and had no issues. I’m also 6’-4” and fit great in mine. So not sure what you are complaining about. Nemo has been a great company to buy from and I would buy it again in a heartbeat.
Indepth review of the 1P version - am looking to get the 2P for bikepacking. So yeah, good and some worryingly not so good results. Think the latter may be due to moisture condensate from temperature differences between the cooler, outside air and ground, and the warmer environment inside - aided further by expelled, moist breathing. Is the tent properly ventilated? I know my MSR Hubba Hubba is, and holds up well in rain and moisture-laden wind - campsites near large inland water bodies like ponds and lakes, in the latter's case. Will have a look at the 2P, which may be a lot more effective in dissipating moisture as a result of a larger internal space 🤔 In the meantime, have a dekko at this guy's review of the 1P's water-resisting ability: th-cam.com/video/dSo1GWZ4VU4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Vrfv6Hs9LNSURAzi Again, well presented review of the Nemo 👌🏼 Stay safe, happy and dry on the road less travelled 🤗
Good review, thanks, no need to be apologetic for having an opinion. For £550, they seem to have got the important things wrong and the unimportant things right. It's crap about the YT issues. I noticed you were having problems with the cancelled Pennine Way vid.
Ah yeah, i faced so many technical issues i gave up editing and recording. The next trail video is now up, but I stopped filming after the Pennine way. Hope you're doing well buddy x
You do realize that if its raining that inherently implies that its not winter but one of the other 3 seasons in which it would rain. In what world does 3 season only imply sunny and calm.
First time I've heard someone genderise a tent 🤣 Seems a really big rip off. Totally agree with your points at the end 10:45 - get her sent back... I hope you got a full refund. I like that you weren't blinded by your anticipation of getting it. I sometimes realise I should return things but it's often too late :S
Well what a real shame. It looks like they put a lot of thought into it and it just fell short. Having water drip into the bath is an instant pass for me!
Appreciate your opinion but I have to say after nearly 1000miles in my osmo your not treating yours correctly mine has been spectacular even coming from a Chinese version (Amazon) of the tent I do appreciate your positives on the tent. However there a reason it’s one of the most popular tents on any trails I’ve read or heard about granted nothing is perfect but I’ve had mine in up to 50mph (43knots) winds with zero issues in a tornado prone bad weather area. Again very much appreciate your opinions but my experience has been exactly the opposite I’m sorry you’ve had issues with your kit.
Were you planning on elaborating how she wasn't 'using hers correctly'? I accompanied Beca on this section of her LeJog, both of us being seasoned hikers since our teens. I assure you, I've never seen such a failure of a high price point tent - in fact of pretty much any tent. It straight up leaked and bowed alarmingly in just the breeze. Now, this might well have been pure manufacturing error seeing as the tent design was relatively new at the time, but the utter lack of correspondence (let alone support) from Nemo on the matter was really the biggest failure here.
A good polite review, however it’s not up to standard. If you can afford it look at getting a tent that is up to such a trip, the Hilleberg range would have one that would fit your needs like an Akto or Anaris, Niak or Rogen. Love your journey and updates, such an inspiration, all the best.😊👍
Akto is a great tent but it's WAY heavier, has a significantly larger footprint and well-documented problems with condensation. Don't get me wrong - I've had one for years and still love it.
Haha I knew since the very first video you be struggling with this rubbish tent! I was like 'wtf is she doing with this on the LEJOG trail!' There is so many better tents but nice to hear you are changing it! Maybe X-Mid or Copper Spur 1? ;D Btw Is that North Berwick in the background? Atb
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I guess my inherent contempt for inner-first pitching tents has spared me, since I refused to purchase a backpacking tent with that design flaw, leading me to resist purchasing a Nemo backpacking tent since they all seem to share that design flaw. I did do some camping in pretty heavy rain... with a tarp + bivy. That was pretty comfortable, to be honest. Sorry that you ended up buying one only to have such an unpleasant experience though 😕
Ah cheers buddy yeah I find some inner tents are OK, like the msr is so quick to put up I don't mind. But the nemo was just trash, I really hope you have better luck x
Love reviews from people that have actually tried it out for more then a few hours and not wanting to just say great things. Nice balanced, honest, review. Great work Beca.
Awwww thanks Mark! Yeah, i think 4 trails is enough time to realise the tent it terrible 😂😂
56 years old and only just got into camping recently found your channel love it and did my first solo camp for 4 days recently and absolutely loved it. Find you such a positive person and a great balanced review of the tent. I have got an msr freelite which I have found brilliant. Never really thought I would have the confidence to solo camp but have found your posts inspiring. Thank you
MSR gets bad press about not being able withstand high winds, but I used my Hubba Solo for years with no problem. Definitely more confident with the MSR than my Nemo Osmo Hornet Elite 2p. The Nemo is definitely a fair weather friend!
Nice to see you back on TH-cam! I already feared that you stopped posting material from your long walk home. But there you are 🤗 I have only one tent and a (special) bivvy bag. They work in all weather conditions and are actually suited for expeditions. At least the tent is not really lightweight (2.8 kg with pegs and groundsheet) - but how helpful is a tent that collapses or soaks water like a sponge. I therefore save some weight in other areas and at the end it works for me. Already looking forward to any news from you!
It's a shame because I'm so short and quite light, for thru hiking it's reccomeded you carry 20-25% of your body weight max, so I cant really go higher than 13/14kg including water and food, which usually makes 6kg of the pack. It's such a hard game to play..., I swapped her out for the hubba nx1 which is 1.1kg and worked wonders x
People just say good stuff about things they are reviewing (or may be complain about aesthetics) but this is the most honest "in-action real-world" review I've ever seen. Thank you so much for taking time out in your trails to review this for us. Cheers !
All in all, a well-balanced, diplomatic review. Good job. Also, full form Your Girl content? Yay!
Awww thanks buddy x
I bought this last year in time for a summer wild camp where I was going ultralightweight. I invested a lot of money into lightweight pack, bag, etc, including this amazingly light tent. It is technically brilliant and completely waterproof (including the floor). BUT I spent most nights awake staring up at the poles as the wind hammered against it. The first evening it collapsed in on itself. No damage ,thankfully. It never did it again but I was careful to always pitch it into the prevailing wind and pray it didn't change. It was the Lake District, which is rough even in summer. This year it's the Rhinogs and I'm seriously considering taking my 4-season Terra Nova Southern Cross 2. It's a lot heavier, but I value a good night's sleep when hillwalking!
Update - I took my Southern Cross 2. Generally fine weather but the windy times made me glad I brought it and not the Nemo. Plus it got quite chilly in the small hours before dawn and I would have been pretty cold in the Nemo. My Southern Cross 2 will now be my main tent (amongst several) when I'm not hammocking.
MSR Hubba NX got me through the WHW in some awful weather, full on Scottish weather. No leaks and survived some stormy highland winds in Glen Coe. Yes it was a few grams over 1kg but it was reassuring to have a good well tested tent that didn't let me down. Ther is always going to be a compromise when you're trying to save weight.
Totally with you mate. I ended up swapping mine out for the hubba when I reached the pennine way
Can I ask when you bought your Hubba? The reason I ask is that MSR are currently on version 7, so what you have may not be what I've just bought. Which, incidentally, let water in both at the top and the bottom during a rainy night's test pitch in my garden with nobody in it.
@@UseUsernameNotInUse yeah, lasts version of hubba hubba mysterious leaks appearing everywhere, snapping end tips, cracking poles, flysheet desaline with pole estruture. I'm disappointed. the 3 season in UK is not the same 3 season on south California. ultralight is not compatible with strong and longevity.
cheers all❤❤
Hi there! New subscriber from the sunny🙄😆 Netherlands here. Loved your camp with East Anglian Bushcraft! Great vibe and a fellow no meat gall!😊.
Gonna watch your vids now! Love, Laura
Eeek he's such a ledgend. Thanks for subscribing Laura xx
Good video. I always take reviews with a pinch of salt when I'm watching tent reviews by US based Hikers. I've stuck with my Hubba because it does well in wind and rain, a lot better than a lot of the trendy ultralight tents.
So true. I love my hubba x
I have the Nemo Hornet OSMO 1P (not elite) and agree with everything you say. It really is a fair-weather tent. I've only ever used mine with a Polycro (30g) groundsheet so not had any leakage personally. The tiny velcro pole attachments are useless, I'm still looking for ways to beef them up so they at least stay fastened, and the guylines can do their job properly.
Yeah, its a clever design but not very practical. Sorry you've also had issues x
Wow, I did not expect that price tag. It's got some nice little design bits though. I'm not sure I'll ever have an inner first tent in the UK though, I've had too many unpleasant surprises with the bloody weather! This is only the second video I've seen of someone absolutely rinsing a tent. I think iirc the first was Haze Outdoors. Good to see as I'm much less trusting of brands these days.
Yeah I Couldn't stay quiet on this one x
You have to be careful with US designs - they're often aimed at sheltered camping in the woods in dry climates. Safer to go with Scottish or Scandinavian brands unless you really know what you're looking for. At a minimum you need:
1) Outer-first pitching - inner-first like the Hornet is a nightmare in heavy rain
2) A deep bathtub with fabric that's beefy enough to pitch in a bog
3) A sheltered entrance that doesn't drip into the living area when you open the door for venting, cooking and exiting
4) A fly that can be pegged low to the ground - 20d minimum for 3 season, and 30d for 4 season
5) A structure designed to take 40 mph+ winds.
With a freestanding design, you simply ain't going to get all that for 600 grams. The low weight is seductive, but there's light and then there's stupid light. A freestanding double-skinned tent that can take exposed UK wild-camping is simply going to weigh more than that, and we just have to suck it up.
Yeah I totally agree, I was happy to swap this out later on for my msr... Although it's inner first, it's so quick to pitch I don't mind. But the nemo was just trash
I have/had (now the seams are no longer properly sealed due to the glue coming off over time) a Wechsel Pathfinder 1P. It is almost 3 times the weight but I did 8 months and almost 18000km on a bicycle across Europe, and did not regret having it. I started off on the 1st of March 2019 from South West Germany and went westwards across France. Two weeks (give or take) of almost constant rain and wind (I had to push my bicycle DOWNHILL!) and never got wet inside. The next big rain hit I had to endure was in Galicia, where you will get so drenched on top of the bicycle that you can just squeeze your fist in the glove and it will leak like a hose. The tent survived. Went across Southern Europe (Spain, France, Central Italy) with all that sun. During the crossing between Czech Republic and Poland my thermometer was showing around 40+ deg Celcius in the sun. On my way across Central Sweden and then South Norway - rain.
A friend of mine swears by the Nemo Hornet 2P (not Elite!). However, I am not sure how much it endures for long periods of exposure to bad weather. He has only had short trips with it. The truly decent tent starts to shine when you have to live in it for days, weeks and even months in a row enduring the elements.
Thanks for the review. I love hearing from people, who actually have actively tested the product and are not just paid to promote it (probably 99.9% of all TH-cam and otherwise reviews on the Internet). Much appreciated!
Great to see you again :)
Nice, honest review. I see there are quite a few design flaws, I wouldn't trust it al all in our worsening climate. I'll stick to using my Lanshan, much more reliable and a fraction of the price of the Nemo.
Dudeee lanshan are just so good aren't they x
Great to see you back on youtube gathered from your previous enthusiasm that there were software difficulties with upload not a loss of interest☹
That tent really is crap I'm glad you managed to find some good things to say about it 🙂I generally just wild camp (cowboy camp)and only use a tent in adverse conditions (or on site) and use very cheap ones that work well enough 1.5kg of bliss in a storm 😁
looking forward to the next one 🤗& 😙
Awww thanks buddy. Yeah I was editing on my phone and it was so hard to keep up. The camera was full half way through, which is a shame as I'll have to do a summary of the last 800 miles but I'm glad I recorded some bits x
Love the honesty, oppose to the people who are sponsored by them. Fairplay. Thank you for saving me money!
Such a great authentic video. Loved it.
What has NEMO said in response to these issues? I seen you mention MSR.. I do not recommend the new 2025 MSR LT series. I purchased the Hubba Hubba LT1 and I have been through three.. each has showed up with manufacturer defects.. seems completely missed at the top of bathtub floor. Rainfly fit terribly. Quality control with MSR has gone down hill. Check into the new 2025 model Big Agnes tents with ''Hyper Bead'' technology
I just came back from the South West coast path to my home in Ny.
I used the nemo hornet 2p soggy wet from the mist over Salcombe.
Switching too the hyperlite.
Good decision mate x
Thanks for showing the real product and not overadvertising! Thank you for warning people for really dangerous product! Have a good hike ☀️
Really dangerous? How?
very diplomatic critique and highlighting the favorable and not so ...aspects! So a balanced revue by our Girl! Hope you are refunded and that the Nemo company employ you for new product try outs and reviews!!
Great comment & totally agree...? Very honest review... Some good features & not so good... & I'd say No it's not really a tent suitable for general UK weather... I have tents with a Flysheets about an inch/2 max from the ground all around, but probably ok for fine , dry & non-windy weather...!😄🙏👍
Hope you get a better tent soon 🎉take care and happy trails
Thanks lovely. I swapped it out for my msr hubba nx in the end
Great vid @MUDDY BOOTLACES I learn years ago not to listen to companies from different climates. Buy buy local. Not so much here, but local climates. I.e. UL/seasons are different in Arazona compared to Patagonia.
You get that. I learned like you did. From buying.
Nicely said,,I had problems with a Vango Cairngorm 200 and after making contact with them they were more than willing to renew,,so I hope you have the same success as I did and get a refund and /or a tent more suitable!!
Awwww thats so lovely. It was quite a battle to get a refund with these guys as I bought it from an outlet supplier. Eventually I did get my money back hut they didn't test it, just said it was "in grace"
@@muddy_bootlaces That's a good result,, hopefully it will all go smoothly now 🤞 wishing you all the best for many more stunning sunrises and sunsets, have a great adventure,,I'm in the planning process for my 60th year ,next year 😜 onwards and upwards 🌠
Great review Beca. Totally fair and based on real world experience. I've looked at the Nemo (and Big Agnes) tents before as a lightweight option but have always had reservations. I opted for a Nordisk Telemark 2.2 in the end (which I got for a reasonable price) and have just started to use it so stay tuned! All ther best, Andy 😁👍
Terra Nova or a wild country tents I find after many trials and tribulations work best in the UK. Rock solid tents for the UK
I'm glad i found this review, I'm trying to find light weight tent, witch i would use in Ireland, i was looking at hornet, but i was bit concerned with how light the bath tub is irish ground is always wet and spongy.
Yeah, i think it would just soak up the Irish bog water to be fair... I even had damp patches on sand mate, so knowing that Ireland is like Cornwall, I really wouldn't reccomend. X
Physics dictates that performance and weight are exclusive. A UK 4 season 2 man tent will weigh over 2kg, otherwise there is not enough Al poles or sufficiently strong materials and guy points.
Nobody ever thought it was a 4 season tent 😂😂
I live in the Pacific Northwest, west of the cascade mountains. We have similar weather. I never purchased a Nemo because the rain fly doesn’t cover the bathtub on the ends. Which in our weather, water would splash up, making a miserable experience. I have seen some videos since that lightweight Nemo’s are not suited for moderate to heavy rain.
I have a Tarptent Double Rainbow Li, love it. Just waiting for an Xmid 2 pro. Has to be DCF for long distance.
Thank you, this was very educating! 🙂👍🏻
Hello Becca you fab muddy booted one, a good tent makes all the difference, good luck on your search; the experience will be in-tents 🤣🤣⛺️🤦🏽♂️
used a Nemo galaxy 2p for about 6 or 7 years and its a brilliant tent ,its a heavier tent but like you said Nemo have brilliant designs to make pack backing comfortable and easy ,last couple years ive used a zpacks duplex ive had that in pretty high winds and with it being dcf its 100% waterproof
I was camping in a festival last weekend and forget how cold you can get at night. even in the summer
Good Review 🙂Never had Nemo tent but i do have a big Agnes fly creek 2 for a few yr and its a bit pants in winds but its been through huge downpours and never let me down. Just got a Xmid 1pro and taking that up to Skye next month, ive no idea how that is gonna go lol
Great video, thanks for making it. I really think Nemo went too far with the Elite versions of these tents. The regular versions are only a few ounces more and use more robust materials as I understand it. There is really a use case for a tent like this but it's not for 99.9% of people and I think it is unfortunate how it has been marketed, especially where you live. In the western U.S. where I am, we can go weeks or even months without rain. While we do get strong winds it is less frequent and often more predictable so it would be appropriate in some cases here, like bug protection and insurance from an unexpected storm, but I'd use some type of ground sheet 100% of the time to avoid punctures. I guess that's where Dyneema tents shine. Quite robust, waterproof, light, and of course even more expensive. Unfortunately not enough free standing, wind worthy designs as of now. I'm looking forward to checking out more of your content.
The floor sounds like a manufacturing issue, and definitely not normal. If you send it in they’ll either fix the waterproofing or more likely recycle it and provide a new tent. That said, you live in a super windy country why would you think an ultralight tent was a good idea? If you get extreme winds throughout the year you need a 4 season tent. It’s not a temp rating, it measures the tents ability to withstand wind and snow.
For the people seeing this review
Great honest review 👍
Hello I am AlonsoG from Spain I would like to buy a new tent and this Nemo is one of them.
What do you know about
Msr Freelite 2 .
Wich one.
Spain weather ...kind of 3 season
Msr
1200 mm hydrostatic head on a groundsheet or fly sheet is not something that I would have any confidence in. I’m pretty sure from my GoOutdoor days that to pass a definition of waterproof 1000 mm is the threshold. The Nemo barely scrapes over the bar! 3000mm is my starting point.
Yeah, I was suckered in with the blurb
Glad I came across this as I was just about to order this tent I will go with a terra nova instead i think
Glad the review has helped buddy x
Really enjoyed watching ace that you give a real review but if it don't work well in the UK it's a down side but they is good bits on it
Heya buddy yeah I think in some countries it's probably a really good tent, but not in the UK when a gentle breeze is often 10-15mph
@@muddy_bootlaces that's true
I bought the last version, and my dad loved how LITE it felt in his hands so bought one for himself before doing a chunk of the PCT. Then we both realized how much this tent sucked ass. Fortunately I learned this the relatively easier way, when I put a hole in the mesh simply by... holding it while pitching the tent. I then proceeded to put more holes than trips in the tent (3 to 2). Two of the holes were repaired when I sent it back, the third was returned from the shop "repaired" but tore immediately on pitching the tent in my living room. My poor dad learned the worse of this tent's suckage while on the PCT: that the bathtub is not water proof, nor is it water resistant, and in fact it becomes an actual bathtub after two days of rain. THIS TENT SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN A BUG NET (if you're okay with the occasional bug getting through due to the holes you'll make during the normal setup process)
Thank you! I live and hike in Washington. Don't need to get wet in my tent
For wet weather a tent which you have to pitch inner first is useless as it will get soaked if pitching in the rain
I have a vango and can’t fault it, pitch the outer first , climb in and attach the inner and reverse to pack up
Great video 👌🏼 really enjoyed it and super informative. I 100% recommend the Duration x-mid for distance hiking 🥾 if you use hiking poles is a no brainier loads of space and super lightweight. I’m sure if you reached out they’ll hook u up 👌🏼. Keep up the great work
Hello Beca
Tell me, did you get an answer from Nemo about the tent that is not waterproof on the ground? Is it a manufacturing defect or are they all like that?
She posted about this on her insta, but basically she never got an answer from nemo, the company she bought it from said it was never returned (but she paid for extra tracking and showed proof of signature) so the company she bought it from refunded her.
Tbh, manufacturers, vendors and users need to get away from using 2/3/4 season as descriptions. It's essentially meaningless as a description, especially without a location.
Tell me what sustained windspeed it can keep shape in, tell me what sustained weight (snow) if you really need to tell me. That'll tell me what seasons it'll manage in my camping locations.
Also, oofdah at that water obviously pushing through the inner floor.
Just my tuppenceworth. Trying not to generalise, but having climbed and camped in Scotland for 40 years .........I'd avoid most US stuff. Different market, made for different conditions. MSR and TNF have some good Euro specific offerings, but mainstream stuff like Hille, Terra Nova, f10, Lightwave, Nordisk and even Robens kit is much safer for UK. I've tried for decades to get that one exception to a super/lightweight but "robust" tent. Lasercomp is as close as I got, but even then ....... Take care and enjoy your outdoors.
Finally a real review 🙏
Nice video. Honesty is appreciated.
Durston is the answer.
Cheers buddy, very tempted by that one
Nice! Do you ever plan on doing any collabs in the future?
Not with nemo hahaha
Haha for sure. What about collabs with other outdoor youtubers?@@muddy_bootlaces
I hope you got a refund. This tent is so hyped because it weighs little and does have some good ideas, as you pointed out. I almost bought it. Then I saw that it was only waterproofed for 1200 mm, which made me suspicious. Your review confirmed my qualms about the tent. Thanks for the honest review.
I absolutely love your vids !! You're so full energy even though you're a dirty vegan😂😂 ( i actually, like a lot of your certain recipes )keep up the good work..! ......I've owned a hilleburg akto very good for wind and in shit conditions ....had to sell it due to money issues .... I've now got a Nordisk telemark pu 2.2....not properly tested it out, but it could be an option seam sealed from the factory as compared to the Lw( which is not ) one plus its stronger material and cheaper ......
Awwww thanks so much buddy, glad you found a decent tent x
Bless you !
That’s rubbish they will have to give you a refund.
The good old Lanshan although heavier and cheaper is far better than that.
Good luck with getting your refund.
What do you think you will get next ?
Cheers Graham
New subscriber to your channel thank you for your camping videos and hikes I am a disabled retired garbage man who lives in Northern California thank you so much Marie bootlaces God bless
Awww thanks so much xx
Aren't you supposed to put a ground sheet underneath the tent. Maybe that would reduce the water. Also i don't think you should leave the fly door open at night. If you want to reduce condensation, open the mesh door a bit.
Might aswelll buy a tent that's cheaper and a little heavier, but waterproof if that's the case... I think for the price tag the point she is making is that you shouldn't have to buy all the expensive heavy extras to make it work x
Had the previous hornet, looks like the weight saving on this one has compromised it a lot. Did however have an issue with the bug net being so thin, managed to get a tare far too easily. I find these ultralight tents are just way too fragile to be shedding out hundreds of pounds on them.
You're extremely lucky whoever you purchased it from is even entertaining the thought of refunding you after using it for 3 weeks. Joys of being a youtuber n not a regular consumer I guess
Hiya lovely, I jsut wanted to clarify that they didn't know I had a TH-cam or an Instagram, I sent them a lot of footage about the leaking bathtub and it collapsing in mild wind (accidentslly deleted that footage so couldn't put it on this video) but I'm not someone to try and blackmail a company... The tent was clearly misold as suitable for the uk summer season, and it was not, that's why they gave a refund... Sorry to hear you weren't able to get one for your nemo that ripped though. Hopefully you were able to get it fixed xx
@@muddy_bootlaces thanks for the clarification but I feel I should point out that at no point did I accuse you of trying to blackmail anybody here. I didn't make a warranty claim on mine, I don't think rips are covered, especially since it was me who caused it, was nothing a patch couldn't fix. Plus I bought mine 2nd hand and I believe you need to provide proof of purchase for a UK claim.
What I was primarily trying to get across is that if my older, slightly heavier version was so fragile, I don't trust that this new, lighter and even thinner osmo range would be any better. Don't get me wrong tho, my hornet served me well in some wild conditions, had no issues with rain or even waking in over half a foot of snow one morning but it did struggle with wind in exposed areas. I sold mine a while back and have had a couple of tents since then. Weight is important when trekking but it comes to a point where a tent is just too light to be able to perform, especially 2-3 season (UK summer) camping.
Apologies, I clearly ramble in more ways than one. Hopefully that made sense and caused no further offence
£550 for a tent bath? I'd rather get a hammock and tarp. Can you tell I'm a Yorkshire man?
😂😂😂 Mate it's shocking. Bug up Yorkshire
Bought it in 2021, it’s the NX and its never let me down.
I'm glad you've had good experiences with yours
Nice video, thx for the info. Not many people use Nemo on the trails. Mostly, they use Z-packs tents, Durston, and Hyperlite Mountain.
Shame really. As you say, a lot of thought has gone into the design but, ultimately, the materials appear to be too light to support the design.
I recognise a lot of design features from my go-to 1-person tent, the MSR Freelite 1. Of course, that's a fair bit heavier at 1.29kg (including the MSR footprint.
I live in NW Washington state where it rains A LOT. We get snow, rain, wind, pretty much every type of weather you can think of and I have had zero problems with mine. Also just finished the PCT with this tent and had no issues. I’m also 6’-4” and fit great in mine. So not sure what you are complaining about. Nemo has been a great company to buy from and I would buy it again in a heartbeat.
You do realise people can have different opinions and experiences right?!
I've got a Fjallraven abisko lite 1 I can send you to use if you wanna sack that thing off for the rest of trip!
Indepth review of the 1P version - am looking to get the 2P for bikepacking. So yeah, good and some worryingly not so good results. Think the latter may be due to moisture condensate from temperature differences between the cooler, outside air and ground, and the warmer environment inside - aided further by expelled, moist breathing. Is the tent properly ventilated? I know my MSR Hubba Hubba is, and holds up well in rain and moisture-laden wind - campsites near large inland water bodies like ponds and lakes, in the latter's case. Will have a look at the 2P, which may be a lot more effective in dissipating moisture as a result of a larger internal space 🤔
In the meantime, have a dekko at this guy's review of the 1P's water-resisting ability: th-cam.com/video/dSo1GWZ4VU4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Vrfv6Hs9LNSURAzi
Again, well presented review of the Nemo 👌🏼 Stay safe, happy and dry on the road less travelled 🤗
Good review, thanks, no need to be apologetic for having an opinion.
For £550, they seem to have got the important things wrong and the unimportant things right.
It's crap about the YT issues. I noticed you were having problems with the cancelled Pennine Way vid.
Ah yeah, i faced so many technical issues i gave up editing and recording. The next trail video is now up, but I stopped filming after the Pennine way. Hope you're doing well buddy x
Where is 35mph wind and driving rain considered 3-season?
You do realize that if its raining that inherently implies that its not winter but one of the other 3 seasons in which it would rain. In what world does 3 season only imply sunny and calm.
@@liamwhite5529 You do realise there are many places where it ONLY rains in winter and NEVER snows, right?
Scotland mate
The uk
You do realise the title of the video is about hiking in the UK?
First time I've heard someone genderise a tent 🤣
Seems a really big rip off. Totally agree with your points at the end 10:45 - get her sent back... I hope you got a full refund. I like that you weren't blinded by your anticipation of getting it. I sometimes realise I should return things but it's often too late :S
Yeah, managed to get s refund eventually but it was a battle x
Great feedback
Great well thought out detailed and honest review mate 👏👏
Hiya long time no see.... Brilliant content and your vibe is bang on... Hope you get your refund..... Look forward to your next adventure...
Why is the tent being refered to as she?
Well what a real shame. It looks like they put a lot of thought into it and it just fell short.
Having water drip into the bath is an instant pass for me!
Appreciate your opinion but I have to say after nearly 1000miles in my osmo your not treating yours correctly mine has been spectacular even coming from a Chinese version (Amazon) of the tent I do appreciate your positives on the tent. However there a reason it’s one of the most popular tents on any trails I’ve read or heard about granted nothing is perfect but I’ve had mine in up to 50mph (43knots) winds with zero issues in a tornado prone bad weather area. Again very much appreciate your opinions but my experience has been exactly the opposite I’m sorry you’ve had issues with your kit.
Were you planning on elaborating how she wasn't 'using hers correctly'? I accompanied Beca on this section of her LeJog, both of us being seasoned hikers since our teens. I assure you, I've never seen such a failure of a high price point tent - in fact of pretty much any tent. It straight up leaked and bowed alarmingly in just the breeze.
Now, this might well have been pure manufacturing error seeing as the tent design was relatively new at the time, but the utter lack of correspondence (let alone support) from Nemo on the matter was really the biggest failure here.
I officially do not trust all these popular backpacking youtube channels anymore after watching this.
Ok. Pity. But thanks for an excellent review.
Yeah it's a shame isn't it x
Thanks for your great review. I keep my old tent from Hilleberg.
Lol I have a 4 to 5-session tent cost 200 to 500
Nash tackle
at 1200mm HH - that is not even classified as waterproof in the uk
I feel ya haha
Well that sucked 😐 👍... The tent, not the vid. 😊
A good polite review, however it’s not up to standard. If you can afford it look at getting a tent that is up to such a trip, the Hilleberg range would have one that would fit your needs like an Akto or Anaris, Niak or Rogen.
Love your journey and updates, such an inspiration, all the best.😊👍
Akto is a great tent but it's WAY heavier, has a significantly larger footprint and well-documented problems with condensation.
Don't get me wrong - I've had one for years and still love it.
I rather use my North face stormbreak one tent and it's way cheaper
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Haha I knew since the very first video you be struggling with this rubbish tent!
I was like 'wtf is she doing with this on the LEJOG trail!'
There is so many better tents but nice to hear you are changing it! Maybe X-Mid or Copper Spur 1? ;D
Btw Is that North Berwick in the background? Atb
No Gucci camping gear for me 😅.. I'll stick with Naturehike😊
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I'm sure the tent is an it and not a she.
Stop calling it a she
New subscriber to your channel love your videos I would love to catch up on I’m a disabled retired garbageman from Northern California thank you for all your hard work love watching camping videos can’t wait to see all of yours thank you
Awww thanks so much buddy xx
I guess my inherent contempt for inner-first pitching tents has spared me, since I refused to purchase a backpacking tent with that design flaw, leading me to resist purchasing a Nemo backpacking tent since they all seem to share that design flaw.
I did do some camping in pretty heavy rain... with a tarp + bivy. That was pretty comfortable, to be honest.
Sorry that you ended up buying one only to have such an unpleasant experience though 😕
Ah cheers buddy yeah I find some inner tents are OK, like the msr is so quick to put up I don't mind. But the nemo was just trash, I really hope you have better luck x
What tent will you go for next? 🏕️
She swapped this for a MSR Hubba
@@sndrcve thanks for letting me know