I bought a Car I Hate - Is the F80 M3 Fixable? 2 - 1 custom S55 downpipes
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2023
- I bought an F80 M3. It's a car I've previously said I hate. So why have I bought it? and can I fix the things I hate?
►www.driftworks.com/ Support our builds by buying from the Driftworks Shop
►Subscribe for more! bit.ly/2k6oBqh
►Find me on IG / philmorrisondw
& Driftworks / driftworks
►Modified Car insurance from Safely Insured www.safelyinsured.co.uk/modif...
#f80m3 #bmwm3 #downipe - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
This could be a very interesting idea for a project/video series. Buying a car you don't particularly love and then addressing all of those things that you feel need fixing. Looking forward to seeing where this goes.
Like the e46. Like the e30. Like all the porches. Like the lambo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I had the same idea and have recently bought a Ssangyong Rodius, something tells me I have allot of work ahead of me. 😕
Haha I’ve always said these sound like crap! Many arguments had done the pub!
so buy a hellcat and burn it
I hated the mk5 GTI’s for years. Like really from it came out in 2004 until 2020. And then suddenly it became one of my favorite cars..
You’ll need coding to remove “active sound” which is the system that uses the cars speakers to simulate exhaust noise. You can also code out the cold start if you don’t want it.
Can you code out cold start on any car? I’ve got a V8 RS5 with red delete and the cold start is horrendous. My wife’s face every time she hears it start!! 🤨
@@neilhealey6187 possibly, I’ve only got experience of having coding completed on BMW though I’m afraid.
can be done, had it deleted on my old RS4. Before having it done I'd start the car, immediately turn it back off then restarting which bypasses the cold start routine. @@neilhealey6187
@@neilhealey6187u can shorten the cold start time and intensity... (narrower coolant temp range and lowering percentage of the fuel enrichment level)
But entirely removing them not recommended because its almost impossible to get the car warm up quickly in the winter..
@@AmirPomengood info. Thanks matey. Not a major problem, for me at least!!
As someone who regularly goes into my garage for a what should be a 5 minute job and end up running into issues with the first bolt I try to undo and whole thing ends up taking all day with me wondering if I am a useless idiot, it is somewhat satisfying to watch the struggle with the wheel nuts and realise sometimes things are just dumb and frustrating and there is nothing you can do about it but perservere.
honestly so relatable. every time i work on the m2 it's an all day event and i feel so crap haha.
Phil, you’ll be able to make 19” work! I have the 400mm calipers under 19” APEX wheels, with much more clearance than the stock 437m wheels which get stones stuck between the wheel and caliper! 🤢.
Not sure what clearance would be available from like likes of WORK etc, but looking forward to see what you do with this!
I know you're not looking at handling yet.. But one change I made to mine was a set of front solid tension strut bushes. Such a noticeable improvement in stability and braking response. Really worth doing, it eliminates all that forward/backward slop that can be seen when trying to undo those ridiculously tight wheel bolts! In regards to sound, I just accepted my fate with the noise these make :)
Midpipe changed to single oval pipe. Or try still adding X pipe in the middle. Would be awesome to finally have this solved. Love it 👌
Long single 3.5 all the way to the backbox with as many straight through resonators as you can. I know its a different motor, but with the S54 in the 46 M3, the best ones I have heard are merged with as many resonators as you can fit, with a valved backbox or pretty open style backbox. Resonators take out the rasp and hollowness, but to keep it crisp and have some volume you need fairly small actual mufflers or a valved setup.
That wouldn’t work on this engine without making a custom y pipe to join the two downpipes together & would still yield a similar sound. The reason the S55 (& conversely the S54) sound the way they do is because of the 3 to 1 exhaust manifolds, the S55 is especially bad because it has unequal length exhaust manifolds - I spoke with an M engineer regarding this & apparently they had to use that style of exhaust manifold for packaging. So long story short the only way to get a good S55 sound is by changing out the exhaust manifolds (which nobody does) or equalizing the exhaust pulses somewhere downstream. Some folks run single Midpipes on the F8x & to my ears it sounds pretty much they same as stock but louder & a bit less raspy.
@@Enthusiastlist Interesting. Thanks for the info
An E46 guy at heart here, but I have always loved the looks of the F series. Proportions are really nice. Same can’t be said for G series. Only funky thing with the F series is the front hood shut line - maybe a task for Gaz…
Definitely did not expect this project. Definitely feel similar about the F series so it's very interesting to see this journey cause if there is one group of people who will do everything to make it proper it's y'all. Wasn't sure how much that downpipe was actually going to do at first, but man it's pretty significant. It made it sound a lot more like the BMW straight 6es we know, so can't wait to hear once it's all been gone through. Good stuff, thank you!
Class Phil! Just got my first M car 6 months ago. M4 with ceramics, akrapovic catless downpipes and full titanium system with stage 2 definitely helps with the sound for me. Looking forward to this 'build' 😅
I think your idea for a single pipe until the bak box is a good one. I believe this is what the JZ and RB have aswel in TT form and nobody (sane) ever complained about their noise
No. People did complain about the RB sound in TT form. Thats why the Mine's equal length front pipe is so revered for it's sound
Very interesting and can't wait to see the following videos on what else you do to "fix the sound" the sound it really what's putting me off buying a F80.
Love the intro: Big skids on the estate, and then Phil cool as you like, bordering on bored, "Hi, i'm Phil". had a good chuckle at that.
Adams skill are amazing, I follow his channel as well, since his unreal skills on the allegro sleeper . His subs are criminal, just like your own.
I think the remaining issue is the differing lengths on the individual runners from the heads to the turbos. Equal length manifolds pre turbo may fix this (but be quite the project). Currently sounds like 2 inline 3 cylinder engines with unequal headers
Looking to get one of these next year, can’t wait to see what you do with it!
Full marks for attempting to improve the sound, though I think they do sound better in real life than on YT. I'm looking forward to see what else you try!
I swear I honestly totally understand your description of these sounds. I've always taken issue with the S55 sound
What a great idea Phil and props for giving it a go! Reckon with only 70mm difference you could easily make up a mid section to equal it out completely! Even add some GESI cats in place of the secondary ones extend the sensors and you have a stage 2 (550bhp) ready solution that sounds a million times better. Also reading the comments about you heavily silencing top man, please please please make it to Production as it seems all off the shelf systems are made for 17 year olds and are just so bloody loud which just doesn’t suit all of us who like our neighbours.
Interesting work so far Phil!
Thanks man! It got more interesting. I'm filming an update at the moment 👍
I wasn’t wearing the same tshirt for all 5 days FYI - I’m just well on top of laundry 😂
😂
😂😂Seen and judged !
Can’t wait to see the progress
Fab fab work and vid. Keep up the great work!
That power slide at the beginning 😮💨👌
I’m a massive fan of your channel. Myself i own a 2016 pre opf f82 manual M4 and a 2000 manual coupe 996 TT i adore. Trust me: you will love the f80 within some time.
Perfect entrance to a video, Nice one Phil.
If you put some resonators it will get rid of some of the rasp. It would be interesting to see the down pipes with active auto werks equal length mid pipe. Looking forward to this series.
Did yer man get his wooden lift block back ??? :)
Great work love the channel and all of the guys on video! Thank you for providing some good honest entertainment, THANK YOU!!!!!
Looking forward to this series!
Buzzing for more F80 videos
Can't believe that you have been able to make a Video a genuinely couldn't care less about after all these years good luck tho you both
Interesting video. Definitely sounds smoother on idle now.
You’ve nailed the description of the audacity that comes out of the back of the F80s🙈🥇😂 I completely agree though,I hate the car because of it, id say a test with some slip on resonators where the cats sit, then if not happy still go for a 3.5 straight 👍🏼 I’d say try different tips, I prefer the double walled tips rumble compared the outward role / slash cut raspy
Keep going👍🏻👍🏻 keep changing it you hear what it should sound like!👌🏻🏁
Enjoyed the video and always great to see Adam take on some new fabrication. Could bigger turbos help and can the rev limit be raised?
Stunning job with the 2-1 at turbos , what a piece of art. To be honest Phil , why not think of maybe single 3.5 “ no boxes all the way to the back then just one rear back box with not much restriction and just one tail pipe either side . I’m sure the wizard at fab can sort 👍🏽😎🔥🔥 . Only a thought mate .
Cheers. The last thing this thing needs is to be louder. I'll be doing a mid section for it, but it'll be heavily silenced.
Love the downpipe idea, it would sound so much better.
Love the f80 in black looking forward to the work on this
Interesting.. a single mid-pipe will help it as the rasp and resonance is from those two singles merging too far back aswell as the unequal nature. The lack of blow off or recirculating valves means the wastegates do a bad job of releasing the pressure in turbine housing.
It really has. I've got the next stage of exhaust on it now too. I should have an update video next week all being well.
Phil you got great taste Bro, give this one the works 🙏🏽
Hi Phil, I own an M2 Comp with 741hp and be sure to do a crank hub fix when upgrading power. The original S55 one has a 3 piece one and that will likely twist.
I've had all M3 up to the F8x and always been a NA fan. But recently got a M4 and I love it. I also hated the sound but say what you like about the 'wiggly' exhausts the do make a massive difference to the tone from 3k onwards. I've fitted catless down pipes and the equal length mid and kept the standard back box. It's not perfect low revs on load you get a bit of rasp but once you hit the sweet spot the tone changes. It's hard to put in to words but it gets better and better as it revs out a bit like a NA. Makes thrashing it mush more pleasing. I did look into fixing the the exhaust properly and there is quite a bit of research on the net already done by others. I think the issue is the fact you've got 3 cylinders going to each down pipe and they are different lengths. Be interesting to see what you come up with.
I've always thought about an F80 but was put off by the same reasons that you were. Really looking forward to the prodject.
Long term lurker here, never commenting… but this is perfect would love to see more content on this. PS DONT SELL IT 😂
Change of material will alter the sound, not sure whether the likes of titanium would give you what you want tho. Nice work from fab co as usual 👍🏼
I believe titanium would exaggerate the rasp tone he's already got and trying to get rid of. But you're right, different metals for piping absolutely has a large effect on sound tone, he can use titanium or Inconel here, but he would first need to address that last 70mm difference in bank sides, and then personally, I'd go with a single, large diameter midpipe, with quite a few good matching resonators. I know most people who want to fix the sound of these use the equal length midpipe, aftermarket downpipes with high flow cats(or removed), and then leave the stock back box.....so pretty much, he's making his own before the back box, instead of buying off the shelf aftermarket stuffs.
How tight? FT! Holy shit. Genuinely think the exhaust note is a lot better even on video after that change. Seriously impressive work by FabCo
that welding work should be up as decoration! its beautiful!
I have a single 3.5 inch midpipe all the way through from the stock cats and that sorted out the nasty 3 cylinder rasp
A someone else who bought one despite hating one Phil the easiest way to solve most of the problems is port injection and a g35-900 single turbo, solves the noise problem nicely.
Such a gem of a video love your brain ideas 🤘🏻 and then make them happen
NA motors will forever hold a special place in my heart. I own two S65's and never considered trading up to a F8x.
You need to see if you can find CS tuning for the steering and engine on that car, heard they drive much better.
Amen! I've got an E92 M3 and F87 M2 and seriously considering selling the F87 for an E90 M3 and having two S65's. I owned an F80 and didn't care for it and then test drove a G80 and it was horrible!
Very complimentary summary of how it sounds at the end 🤣
Williams performance single turbo builds sound beautiful 🤌🏼
That sounds much better.. even at idle.. top job that
Often I Tighten to Loosen. Essentially where a bolt is that tight it has binded the thread and tightening slightly unbinds it.
My thoughts on the Exhaust would be an Oval 3.5" Exhaust system, Hi Flow Cat, and a valved Two Pipe exit with one Silenced so it can remain a Daily👌
Need to hear this setup with a single midpipe!!
I think you should put a complete m2 n55 exhaust system on these new exhaust manifolds, then you will have the sound you looking for, which should have been there from the beginning. Best of luck!
nice exhaust build, must be a wizard the man who made that
I am going through the same thing over in the US. Bought a beautifully spec'd individual avus blue 2018 f80 competition with low mileage. Hate the sound, and lack of steering feedback, but otherwise the car is does everything else VERY well, performance wise. For the price I paid ($62k USD) I could have paid a little more and got into a G80, but I just couldn't stomach the hugeness and awful looks of the G80...From my research, adding monoballs and vorshlag camber plates does amazing things to the front end feel & feedback of the F80, for sound, there are games you can play with the exhaust, otherwise single turbo seems to be the way to go. First thing I did was ditch the 666m 20" wheels, went with 19" APEX VR-5rs. This car with properly spec'd rubber, is downright scary how deep it's capabilities are at the limit, really WAY too fast for a "street car"...
Feel the exact same way. Had the e92 M3 but switched to a w205 C63 for my practical car.
One time a car i had was torqued down to almost 400+lbs from a "shop". I had to use about an 8ft pipe on top of a bar to break them loose. Note, i had to stand on the bar and jump on it. I was like 200lbs at the time.
What you should be doing is getting that GT3 back.... that thing sounded like an army of buff angels going to war 🤤
Nice FABULOUS work💯❤️💯
Thanks 👍
When you add the 3 inch pipe with the right back box, I can just imagine it can sound a lot better.
The MPE on my F80 really was a game changer. Standard exhaust is far too quiet.
The sound on these is all down to the manifold and down pipes. Changing those makes a massive difference.
I don't often leave comments on TH-cam videos, but how tight those wheel bolts were made me so infuriated I felt like I had to express my anger in a different fashion than just shouting at the TV.. what was the previous owner/mechanic thinking.. the only semi-logical explanation I could think of was someone had made them so tight they essentially become "unstealable" because what petty thief carries a five foot breaker bar around with them.. ridiculous.. anyway, rant over.. keep up the great videos guys. Love everything you guys do :)
Totally with you, G80 is a monstrosity. This video is also a good visualisation of why one should torque to spec.
A quick Google shows that 4th at redline is 68mph, well done sir for keeping to the speed limit, but of course a road in Mexico was used lol
Sounds much better but still more to go! At least it actually sounds like a 6 cylinder now!
The f series is notorious for the studs seizing, and the actual head isn’t deep enough and usually ring, we normally use a map gas and heat the stud a lot before trying to remove them.
We had one particular locking wheel nut that we had to heat to about 500degrees to get out.
hope you can turn this in to the m car it should of been. totally agree with you the last real m car was the e46 straight 6 normally aspirated
I had the 19s and Ceramics, stones were an issue, and caused a bit of damage to the inner rim. Was just one of those things in the end.
What is it with people who work on BMWs and using air impacts on wheel nuts? I cracked 2 17mms working on my mate's F31 and the fact that you have something that is meant for what, 800nm of torque for a GT3 centre lock and you're snapping extensions? That's just disgusting and those "mechanics" should get new jobs.
In regards to the exhaust, I feel like having a big, individual mid section exhaust with a silencer would help that gargling drain sound but that's also the best analogy of the sound I've ever heard and I'm stealing it 🤣
I’d recommend looking into the m4gts style “H pipe” it makes a phenomenal sound opposed to the traditional f80/82 midpipe design
Equal length Midpipe to remove the rasp... or single turbo conversion if you want a 2jz-esq sound.
The best I have heard it the dailydriven’s with the AA equal length mid section and AWE back box. Sounded like an old school carby straight 6.
Finaly one that sounds right and not broken!!!
If there is still a 70mm difference between the pipe lengths would it be an idea to merge them into one at the point at which they both bend 90 degrees towards the centre of the car? A bit difficult to describe but if they both go in parallel around a bend then one pipe would have to be longer than the other. Merging the pipes there would give an option to remove any extra length there if you think that would help.
I can almost see single turbo conversion with equal length tubular header for this car as upcoming project 😁😁😁
Definately with 4" oval piping all the way to the back.. (this would change the exhaust tone surely)
I had to make a whole new merge to make the N54 sound good. Turbo - dual 3” - 4” collector - 6” cat - 4” reversed collector to dual 3” all the way back.
Have some videos on my channel with it straight piped and with a muffler.
Curious what you think 🥂
Being an f80 owner for the last 4 years, I'm interested to see this develop
Keep up the god work 👍💪regards from Sweden
Thanks, will do!
I had a customer drop off a car for wheel powder coat with lugs like that, I just sent the car back to the dealer. Not one of my impacts had enough torque. It was like Jesus torqued them. I liked the jack trick.
I couldn't agree more with your opening statement
rb26 suffers from the same issue (altho it has much more space to solve the problem). could try looking at equal length front pipes for that and draw some inspiration. but i think going from dual front pipes into single 3.5 mid pipe would be best.
Go single, single exhaust tube (not twins like the oem)it will change the sound the most, don’t go to big or you will keep the ‘gurgling down the drain’… sound… single 3” or 3.5” max should fine for 600-700bhp. Try mild steel, both stainless and Ti have a zing to them… just get the mild steel system cerakoted for aesthetics and keeping rust at bay.
Had the same issue with the wheel bolts on my first car.
Ended up snapping two sockets.
My Dad had to get his mate round with the tools he used for HGVs.
Single exit exhaust would sound what you’re looking for.. maybe that down pipe paired up with a single all the way back will get rid of the problem for sures
Best way to sort the sound.. big single turbo
23:40 If my maths is correct that's Phil doing a casual 120mph on the way home 😆
Stopped off at a dyno on the way.
I’d say you’ll get it sorted ok the M3
Actually said the Italian job phrase today strangely 🤣
Jays new project car is a sick..
Add a resonator or two. It deepens the sound. My sons 440i (B58) was too tinny after cat delete(s) so in went a resonator and it sounded like a BMW again.
If you ditch the idea of making a product out of the downpipe, I'd love to see custom true equal length headers with flanges/welded in to the exhaust. Mainly for the reason to see if the sound gets any better. Also a cat-back system maybe?
Betting this thing is gonna end up either sold or with a fully custom single turbo setup.
(Not to take anything away from the quality of Fabco's work)
Seems like a dark art. Schmee150 got a custom exhaust done for his Ford GT by quiksilver i think it was in the UK and they seemed to dive really deep into the acoustics of it all. Certainly made it (another twin turbo 6 cylinder) sound better.
Why do people do wheel nuts up like that it’s absolutely ridiculous and just no need what so ever!! Killer video again guys 🤙🏻
if the CCB go kaput you can do the 400mm steel rotors out of the M2 Competition, it's a straigh swap with zero modification needed, other than steel rotor compliant pads.
and as far as sound I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Currently running downpipes with a single midpipe from Active Autowerke on the stock Comp muffler, and sounds good but the perfect sound is when they do a single turbo design honestly.
CCBs are for the life of the car 👍🏻