Post Office inquiry: Paula Vennells feels people 'don't believe in her compassion'
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- “Ms Vennells feels like she is human, she feels like she’s a compassionate person but people don’t believe in her compassion”
Paula Vennells sticks "to the corporate line" despite a desire for her to show compassion during the Post Office inquiry, says Professor Richard Moorhead, member of the Compensation Advisory Board
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She literally ruined the lives of people, sent them to prison on a lie, to protect the unearned reputation of her precious Post Office.
One correction. It's not about protecting the Post Office. It's about shielding the large shareholders who, you will notice, didn't even get named. This was Vennel's job, reprehensible as it is.
@@onenote6619 Totally agree with that. You don't protect the reputation of the Post Office, or any other organization, by lying, lying, and lying again about the way in which it conducted itself. Ms Vennells' motives aren't entirely clear to me; I don't really understand what she thought she was protecting - but when you're questioned, you do your utmost - or you ought to; and you MUST - to find out where the truth might sit. And far from doing that, millions of miles away from doing that, she simply didn't; her executives didn't; the Post Office lawyers didn't; Fujitsu couldn't be bothered to - people went to prison because she, and they, would not question their practice. That's the crime here - not that they trusted what they were told by this shabby computer company, but that they never for a second questioned the validity of its systems, and had no one on the board ( and this is a massive failure by the government as principal shareholder) who had the slimmest knowledge of computer technology.
it was to protect herself the post office is just the grift she used to entitle herself.
“She”?
Only her?
She is the scapegoat,
This is just another cover up to protect the awful reputation of British management since Thstchet who started the privatisation process on which many executives and management made billions during the process.
The privatised Royal Mail wax the goose that laid the golden egg and had to be protected at all costs irrespective of the casualties. Chase the money during the privatisation process……who got shares and who got the bonuses etc especially those on the board of management.
The cover ups reflect the state of management in the IUK today.
It is sick with corruption and decay.
Privatisation has made some people very rich indeed.
Since the 1970”s had the rot set in with management only interested in themselves and not the people employed or their customers.
Just look at the state of the water industry today.
It is a failed Britain up to it’s neckin debt and corruption.
No Vennells is just the scapegoat….
@@andydudley1775 Spot on!
The Truth Is Hurting Paula Vennells, thats why she is crying, she thought she had got away with it..
Tears of manipulation. That is all. She is still grifting.
She couldn't remember anything that made her look bad. Funnily enough, she could remember specific emails where the buck could be passed. She lied. Why is anyone surprised?
Either she was criminally inept in her position or downright lying and evil. I think probably the latter.
Possibly both. She made money though...
both
i think her demon worship of marmon went a bit to far.
Agreed.
She is the epitome of evil.
Preaching compassion, in the church, whilst ruining the lives of thousands of people, not giving a fig for the pain and suffering she was causing.
Both, I'd say.She's not very bright.
She came across as totally heartless to me.
She's amoral I think
She blamed everyone else and everything else.. and took no responsibility or accountability for her actions at all.
Textbook narcissist
I notice these people keep referring to "the post office" as suggesting or doing things, as if it is a person and thus what happened was nothing to do with them or their mates.
@@Plethorality 👍 We have a couple of those in our federal government ruling party!!
Women ah
Round shoulders is a good description. Easy to blame others when you are receiving a huge salary for overseeing a public company. I feel Susan Crichton received too much blame….an older lady…mmmm
“I let these people down …” - that’s a bit rich. “These people” were sent to jail, their lives ruined. Unbelievable how the travesty went on for so long.
She kept the money, though, and continues to let them all down. No repentance. No remorse. No mercy.
You can’t have 30k more post offices if your throwing the SPMS in prison, PV is a national disgrace.
She cared about the Post Office as a Business entity, but nothing about the people working for it
The PO should pay back back all the court and lawyers fees the sub-postmasters and sub-mistresses have paid from their compensation.
No. The board members of the PO should pay it back. If the Post Office pays,that means US! The tax payer!
Yes and the Compensation should come out of Post Office Profits and NOT the Taxpayer
Kennels and others should be jailed, jujitsu should be fined and possibly broken up as far as the UK is concerned
People of her class suffer from a certain medical condition called Temporary Selective Convenient Dementia. It's tragic for everyone except themselves.
Famously called The Oliver North defence
99% of those facing the Inquiry so far have this condition. I think it’s a virus exclusive to the Post Office.
It’s not just her class, if you’re speaking of middle class etc. The leftist crowd eg., Biden can’t speak anything but blatant contemptuous lies.
@@dixieflatline1189😅
"By their acts you will know them." To quote her own book at her.
The angkican church needs a hard look at itself, too. Must be bloody corrupt to have kept hee on, so long. And anyone else who has hired her must be as corrupt as she is.
People don't care about whether she has compassion. We want her in prison.
She had a full and photographic memory of every minor thing that could incriminate any member of her staff but yet could not recall anything no matter how major of issues which might incriminate her.
The only compassion she has is for her own neck, end of story.
Happy to have the salary and the bonuses but not happy to take the responsibility.
I watched her performance in the "dock" at the Enquiry last week. To me she came over as shifty, evasive and wholly unbelievable. Is she the most hated woman in Britain - I suspect she is?
She has all the perfect qualifications required for her next ideal job shifty, evasive and totally unbelievable.
A Conservative MP.
Even more than Harold Shipman. AT least he only affected 400 or so. This harridan and her "beloved post office" aggressively pursued hundreds more than Shipman.
@@hpoonis2010
A poor analogy. Shipman murdered well over a hundred people. But I get your point.
This will not be resolved until criminal cases are taken to court, otherwise this will only result in this Inquiry making platitudes and directors of large firms will get off with a rebuke and just be removed with a large severance! There are so many cases like this if there are no consequences to their actions why should they bother.
@@imi4449 I do not know my law but should something arise in the inquiry that demonstrates a potential criminal act can nothing be done about that? If not then that makes a mockery of the law?
This is unlikely to become a criminal case. Too many politicians over a number of governments would be drawn in. So compensation is the goal here unfortunately
Not resolved until her money goes to those she wronged, abd she stays in gaol for the rest of her life.
edwardjones, correct , this enquiry is nothing but a smokescreen , it almost amounts to a certainty that none of the PO management will face prosecution , the usual tactics of the government and the civil servants , ie, hold an enquiry , make it last a couple of years make sure that no real conclusions are reached and hope that the public and affected parties move on to other concerns, the awful thing about this activity is that it usually works , let's hope that the media and the public keep it fresh in mind and not allow the parasite class to manipulate the process yet again.
@@edwardjones1773 The police are already setting up their own investigations now, they tell us. For sure some at least of these jerks need to be investigated for crimes. Also fibbing under oath is contempt of court. One has to prove they knowingly lied. Not sure what penalty they face for that specific issue.
She was clearly out of her depth. So much so she doesn’t understand how inept she is. The selection panel that recruited her to that position are also to blame
She wasn't out of her depth, she was captain of the ship.
I lost my office in 2000, after asking for Horizon to be removed.
24 years later I'm being offered 75k as I agreed to falsification of records to cover the 3k "missing" from my office,
Thursday was a big day for allowances, people relied on me for their rent,food and other bills, if I didn't accept the loss I couldn't trade.
I was still running another system that said I was £2.85 short. But they wouldn't listen
There were occasions when Vennells was shown emails written by her where she focused on one inappropriate word and said she regretted using that word. She failed to realize that it wasn't the use of individual words that was the problem, but that they betrayed an attitude, a stance.
From Wikipedia:
"In Jan 2023, the NFSP had 6727 members who operated approximately 9,300 post office branches."
There were 11,634 post office branches in 2023.
Over 900 sub postmasters have been prosecuted meaning she has overseen the prosecution of over 10% of their sub postmasters.
The idea of 30,000 Post Offices is pure fantasy given they have been closing them down for decades.
It is absurd that Vennels expresses regret when her actions were destroying the Post Office.
Even more concerning is how many more cases have not reached the courts because of people sinking their life savings in to the Post Office and dying of heart attacks, strokes and suicide or quitting because they realised they had no option?
It's disgraceful that Mike Young is not testifying, being ''protected.''
What is this?
is he the guy that they can't find?
He has done a runner?
@@MsScarlette2 expecting more people missing
They could find him if they want. With modern technology and put an international warrant for him.
It's not compensation! It is the subpostmasters money that shuold be payed back immediately! Then they should get compensation for their losses and distresses as soon as posable!
Precisely!
With interest, and not base rate but a typical bank lending rate
Lives were destroyed on her watch, and she had knowledge. Disgraceful and it should be in court.
Of course she knew.
To have such an (apparent) spike in criminality among previously honest postmasters and not correlate that with your new system would be an abject failure. To then launch a cover-up and keep doubling down on that cover-up till the bitter end .....
There was no compassion from Paula Vennells when she continued to orchestrate the Post Office's prosecution of sub postmasters and sub post mistresses long past the point at which it was clear that there were problems with the Horizon system that rendered those prosecutions and all prior convictions legally unsafe.
Paula Vennells is being judged on what she did and how she behaved. She demonstrated no compassion then and deserves none, nor understanding, now.
she should be looking at prison time herself and the loss of all that bonus money she paid herself
She should have to serve one day for each day that the sub postmasters served.
It is not only the lawyers .. It is the judges in many of these cases. Shock breaches of disclosure rules being blighthly accepted by judges .. Time after time. The inquiry has to go after EVERY judge involved. After all they are the last bastion for the populace to rely on for fair trials and especially for control of prosecutors , otherwise out of control.
@andrewpaterson5192 100% agree, and it was procurator fiscals in Scotland who brought the prosecutions and they seemed to accept everything the PO was saying without question - the inquiry should go to them as well.
We know they have destroyed emails and documents.
Seems like this one slipped through.
Some she has said it doesn’t read like she meant.
Wonder what some of the others were like.
Crying for herself not the people she shafted!
I sense a great disturbance in the force. The narcissism is strong in this one.
Jail her.
Narcissist playing the victim.. now theres a surprise!!
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She's certainly got that right.
She only made passive and general apologies such "im sorry for what they've gone through" or " im very aware I let people down" but when asked repeatedly on her obvious role in it she was only ever evasive. Sadly it looks unlikely she will ever face justice
I'll be shocked if sh isn't investigated by the police. It's clear she has a lot to answer for.
@@roswilliams2899 Oh she'll definitely get interviewed, it's just whether they'll be willing to go the extra mile and raid her home & take all her devices etc . And even then, for some reason the police have given everyone notice. . So all they're going to be doing now is destroying everything that could incriminate them.
She is a psychopath. It feels nothing
And to masquerade as a christian minister is an abomination
I tend to agree with that. Her interest is in pounds, not people.
The ego must have been exorbitant in this one
@@abc33944completely dominant.
As long as she claims the money, she cannot claim to have compassion.
She showed no mercy.
Self serving doesn't begin to start to describe her attitudes now and then.
It must be asked, 'what did she do to get the job'!🤔
She’s lying and it’s written all over her face.. send her to jail also that bully Bradshaw. Absolutely disgraceful, Vennels crying in self pity failure at the highest level possible. A man took his own life for crying out loud!!! JUSTICE needs to be held.
The wrong people went to prison; now it's time to put the record straight.
Women make great leaders. Such compassion and integrity. Inspiring...
Of course there were no men involved in this travesty of justice. Only the woman at the top was responsible.
@@sookibeulah9331 Women are risk averse and avoid accountability.
@@sookibeulah9331 We have a two-tier justice system where women get special treatment. I would be surprised to see Paula in prison.
@@sookibeulah9331 People who think with their emotions do not make good leaders because they have no wisdom.
What do any of your comments have to do with whether this one women was single handedly responsible for the appalling miscarriage of justice?
Were there not men who worked with her in the PO who knew? Were there not men who advised her, who were on the board with her? Were there not men at Fujitsu who knew Horison wasn’t working and took part in the scandals? Were there not male lawyers he helped secure the protections and covered up information that showed they were wrong?
If you think her female emotions are the problem of her actions how do you explain the behaviour of the men who aided and abetted the prosecutions and the cover up? Did their emotions stop them acting wisely? If so how are their emotions any worse than hers?
If you think she’ll get away with it BECAUSE she’s a woman explain why none of the men are facing greater consequences than her? Your misogynistic opinion will only be valid if the male board members, employees, and lawyers of both the PO and Fujitsu receive greater punishment than Vennells.
She knew what was happening but chose the course of action that she deemed best for POL on a corporate level. Coincidentally the course of action that enabled her to continue to be handsomely rewarded to the tune of more than £2,000,000 in bonuses alone.
Her lapses in memory are laughably convenient and her tears are born of the weight of the scrutiny rather than regret about the pain she was instrumental in causing. 🤬🤬🤬
She was so deep in the Post Office that she wanted to keep it sacred and pure, so she could get millions in bonuses; at all costs. To quote Morpheus from The Matrix - 'And many of them are so inured and so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.'
You feelling is 100% correct ms Vennells
No we don’t. Perjury should lead to criminal charges, and does she deserve her gold plated index linked public pension!
She must be stripped of all her money and possessions and jailed. And the same or a number of others.
There’s a common theme running through both this and the infected blood scandal. It’s one of courage and leadership in these situations. So many of these people are faced with a choice between doing the right thing or of “going along to get along”. Invariably they choose the latter. They are paid and trusted to do the former
Paula vennels shouldn't be allowed to think anything jail her
Before she named them she was very keen to state that she trusted them. So she's ok then. LoL
She's Lying Through her Teeth and she SHOULD be the First one in Court
If she had any compassion at all she should have done her job and brought this to light as soon as it became apparent to her at the time, regardless of any results. Everyone including the CEOs and the Post Office would have come out of this in a better light, and the post masters would have been proven innocent before imprisonment.
Crocodile tears from someone who is more bothered about being found out than the injustice she proliferated.
Gross incompetence, deliberate indifference, or outright malice. Whichever one it is, she has a lot to answer for.
Great interviewer, one of the best I have seen.
All the executives and investigators and solicitors have presented themselves to the inquiry as misled, poorly informed, the system was the problem, they were blind sighted, it was someone else to blame, information was withheld from them, they were not an IT person, they didn’t understand. But of course the email trails tell a different story of unmitigated aggression, bullying, intimidation and arrogance toward the sub-postmasters, a lack of concern for their well being and justice, a desire to protect the brand no matter the human cost in terms of unjustly ruined lives and a willingness to never properly investigate potential miscarriages of justice. One hopes the shambolic parade of deceit is met with police action, but the inquiry should go much further and consider the way the government, happy with the strangely impressive profits the PO were showing, were happy to accept the cover up, until the group action of post masters, along with The Guardian and assistance of some decent MPs from both main political parties ( notably not the Liberals) forced the truth to come out.
She's only crying becuase she got caught and her life is beginning to fall apart. I just hope she ends up with a custodial sentence for her blatant unprofessionalism and incompetence.
Tears of manipulation. Not genuine feeling. If she had any of that, she would have given the money back and remember everything sge claims to have conveniently forgotten.
She akso would not be talking condescending bureaucratic word salad, in low and slow like thatcher. She would not be still lyyyyiiinnnggg.
I thought she took hints from Amber Heard on the crying but not really crying. Not one tear came out. Unless you can actually do that. I zoomed in on her face and also the tissues. I personally didn’t feel it was genuine but that’s just my opinion. She also smiled at very serious moments very inappropriately. Including one moment when talking about suicide (I can’t recall which bit). But a few times she smiled and I found it so bizarre. She did a lot of “eye-blocking” this is when people do very long blinks or close their eyes. It’s a body language clue for “I am not wanting to look at this issue”. Lastly, wow, she blamed a lot of people and it seemed very little filtered up to her knowing, hmmm…I overall felt she was cold and trying to save face. The fact she has position in the church makes any lies and deception even more hypocritical.
She's only fake crying now she know's shes busted. I bet she didn't share the same sympathy in the moment.
P.V. is a sociopath, she doesn't have any compassion.
Pointing the finger at 2 ppl she knows aren't giving evidence &
Susan Crighton, who didn't realise Independent, was in inverted commas when she was asked about auditors.
Also, why is Moya Greene not now giving evidence? Anything to do with the texts that got read out?
Her true personality became clear with her e mail conversation regarding the BBC programme was read out.
For someone that used to be an Anglican Priest and a CoE ethics advisor makes her denial of personal culpability even worse.
She is,apart from the Tory Party,one of the most hated figures in the UK and she acts like her cat got run over aww !
If she had compassion she wouldn’t have let the situation continue. Blinkered and only interested in saving herself. What a great believer!!
From all of this...What is totally missing is a duty of care towards it's own employees. It does not come out anywhere. What Vennels lacks is involvement and this absence of care.
Shocking Shocking.
She cared about one thing and one thing ONLY. Herself! First, second and last. AND still does.
She made, in 7 years, around £5 Million for HERSELF. She has got a VERY secure financial future with £5 Million in the bank, her victims, however, faced the exact opposite, and some even paid with their lives. She is sad that the truth has come out, not that she has empathy for her victims. 😡
Innocent people accused and ruined by a computer system that nobody seemed to be able to check 😮😮😮😮
Once proven a liar - always a liar. No one believes anything she says . Whose fault is that? - HERS and only hers.
Many of them need prison, especially Vennells
Well no. We don’t believe her. We weren’t born yesterday. Maybe if she cried for those ruined lives, not her own she might get a grain of sympathy. But at the moment, while we’re footing the bill for her failures we have zero.
The Post Inquiry is theatre for the masses. Will any of those responsible face a criminal trial?
She should be charged for deceiving the people and investors of the sale of the Royal Mail for her stance on withholding information and having a negative paragraph removed from the prospectus prior to the sale.
Good interview, same it was a bit short.
I'd love to see Richard Moorhead and Alan Bates side by side. I can't tell the difference.
Mike Young can be found very easily
Crocodile tears - not sorry for what she did, just sorry she was caught out.
The job of a chief executive is to be fully aware of everything that is going on in the organisation she is in charge of. That is why they are paid more than other people. Vennells should have paid particular attention to matters about which there was doubt. She did not. She should repay her salary for that period.
This woman Paula Vennells is typical of many people in these high positions, they do everything to get on & protect their image & will throw everyone & anyone "under the bus" to achieve that. Doing the right thing is waaaay down the order of priorities for these people - if it's considered at all.
In the case of Paula Vennells she was virtue signalling as a part-time vicar & managed to ingratiate herself so well with the idiotic Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby that he allegedly wanted her to be Bishop of London ! You can't make this stuff up...
She showed no compassion for years. Are we expected to believe in a Damascene conversion? Has she vanished into an abbey and shaved her head?
…she worked as hard as she could to deliver the biggest miscarriage of justice in British legal history - the pious Miss Paula Venereals.
The sad part is, she's not the only one that should answer to this. Hopefully, all who were complicit with this and who failed to do the right thing will answer for it.
Look at the bully from the PO security and is still working at the post office.
Ms Vennells was being paid SO much money : 700, 000 before bonuses.
26 5 24, The Church oddly quiet about this matter ! Establishment Closing Ranks - P V was a regular Preacher. Curious to know her choice of Topics.
The Post Office actions were and are straight out of the National Coal Board playbook of the 1950s and 60s which led to the Aberfan disaster and the NCB's treatment of the families of the victims
The key was the last e mail and the question Did the mask fall. Oh how it fell and showed exactly what she was thinking.
She should of been banned from using the phrase "The Post Office". She was the Post Office together with her senior management team and advisors. Be specific about who or if you can't be specific then it must be down to the CEO.... The Post Office is a corporate entity that cannot act independently of it's officers.
Crying her £££ not tears
Paula's compassion is for herself, her tears are for herself. At no stage was she worried about innocent people going to jail etc.
Typical response from senior managers when they don’t want to hear the truth.
Not a solicitor, a barrister. One of His Majesty's counsel, learned in the law.
I believe in her compassion .
But I also believe she oversaw the wrongful convictions of about a thousand of her employees while extorting them for massive amounts of money. And she still hasn’t given them back the money. And I think that might be a crime. And she probably needs to do jail time. At least till they get their money back.
Post offices are closing all over the country. I wouldn't trust her to sit the right way on the lavatory.
This is a really excellent choice of questions and answers from the ethical viewpoint. We really do have to focus on ethics v power . It's so wrong, right now..
The compensation awarded should primarily come from the pension schemes and bonuses paid to those that are responsible for this debacle.
I am Anglican and used to be in her congratulation.Her portion is outer darkness,where there is weeping,wailing and gnashing of teeth
FYI, she knew what questions she was going to be asked and had been trained with her answers for nearly one year. It was only the core participants lawyers who could possibly catch her out and Tim Maloney did a fantastic job at the end.
Its unusual for her to be so well informed😂
"The system was broken" And, who was in charge and who was responsible for improving the system?
What astonishes me most about the whole PO/Horizon melodrama is that if one was running a large company and then became aware that a large number of managers seemingly all started ‘stealing’ from you, wouldn’t your first inclination be to think that that can’t be right? What are the odds of over 600 managers all becoming thieves? Virtually zero I should have thought. So the next thing any responsible, compassionate boss should do is to dig deeper into the underlying, common structure that links all the supposed thieves - the Horizon software - but Vennells didn’t!
Who was responsible for the draconian SPMs contract 'which did not change' ?
[ and/or the draconian way it was implemented ]
And who was responsible for promoting or briefing the new CEO PV [even if it included self-learning] ?
How much power or feasibility was there for anyone, even the CEO, to change the processes and culture enough to be more fair ? Maybe the inquiry will be asking this for the report.
At least the PO is no longer allowed to prosecute.
I dont suppose the inquiry will include how much the problem taps into corporate capitalism culture more generally; or education; intellectual, 'humanities' or business elitism and capitalist arrogance; or inequality or the historic class system in the UK.
It's not that people don't believe her compassion, it's that we just don't believe her!