I think a big misconception people have with this topic is that they think of masculinity an beauty being mutually exlcusive. Pretty boys that are popular with women all have masculine features. Sharp jawline, good frame, lean body etc.
My taste in men changed over the years and I've never been on birth control. When I was younger I preferred more feminine looking men, and the older I gotten the more I started preferring more masculine men.
Same. I had no interest for anyone's looks when I was a teen....then adulthood struck. The hormones in our bodies are a factor. I mean I would soon prefer very dimorphic/masculine/feminine looking bodies as my period comes close, and then picks up again after.
@@shinjite06 that depends...there are people who got older but did not have any strong masculine or feminine features, who remained androgynous or just average in features.
Women do prefer attractive men, period, but whether that man is more of a pretty boy, a hyper masculine man, or a balanced blend of the two varies. Know your market.
@@lordofgingers I don't want my kids to be short(I'm only 5'8) so I'll probably get limb lengthening surgery to attract a taller than average woman(at the very least 5'7)
@@notan3144 idk changing personalities is pretty indicative of that she might not be aware that she has it, its either that or then another option is that she is simply manipulative and lying to people to fit a certain image or smth
I think the main point that this video is missing is that just because on AVERAGE men or women prefer a certain look doesn't mean it applies across the board. Effeminate depictions of masculine beauty have existed for at least thousands of years, dating back to Greek myths depicted feminine heroes/Gods like Narcissus or Apollo as the peak of beauty. You also see it in Christian murals of "beautiful" males who have long flowing hair, smooth faces, and narrow jawlines. This preference isn't just a new generation trend. There's a good chunk of women who genuinely prefer feminine-looking men, just as there are some men who are attracted to petite women and some who prefer voluptuous women. We all fill in different niches, and you'll see all across the board when it comes to human characteristics that there are always "groups" that are outliers from the norm, simply because evolution prefers diversity.
the word ''feminine' has become so meaningless when applied to guys, someone is here calling Greek nude sculptures of athletic youths with not a trace of fat on their bodies 'feminine' when. Apollo the god most associated with masculinity feminine..? Silly. (The feminine god is Dionysus..)
I'm a very feminine guy (both in looks and personality) and I've always been attracted to more masculine women (also both in looks and personality). So I wonder if there is some research suggesting that this whole dynamic is not bound to biological sex, but instead how masculine/feminine someone is.
Similarly, I would say I possess more feminine traits as a woman (smaller frame, face, etc) but have a more "masculine" personality, and my preference for men is a relatively masculine frame but a feminine personality/way of dressing.
@@caminte it depends on what u mean what masculine? The guys u talk about are uber masculine. Dwyne johnson rock But chads are masculine guys. Loki And guys whore femenine are pretty boys Charlet timothee
I've gotten more attention from women since I started working out but it doesn't change the fact that I'm introverted and shy, so I'm very scared of misinterpretation
Best thing to do is see if she shows any interest first. If a girl's interested, she'll usually give choosing signals although sometimes it's just because she wants attention. If you decide to make your move just go up and be direct, no pick-up lines or that corny stuff
As someone who is a very 50/50 bisexual, I noticed I leaned more towards androgyneous looking men when I was insecure and felt very plain, but after going through puberty and getting more self-confidence in looks department, I found that my preferences became very feminine women and very masculine men. So this is a real eye-opener
@@spaceisalie5451 a phrase “after going through puberty” sounds more like a male to me tbh UPD: what i mean is that women don’t use this phrase as much as men do. You don’t hear your girlfriend saying “You know, after going through puberty i became so confident”, lol. But boys do actually & we talking about puberty way more. Damn, even this video is about men, come on
Idk but I’ve noticed that women who’s preference are non masculine men almost always happened to be bisexual women. Ofcourse there are bisexual women that are the complete opposite (as in they prefer masculine men/feminine women) but I noticed a BIG chunk of bi women tend to have a preference towards androgynous and feminine men. I wonder if for a lot of those bi women, does their sexuality influence certain preferences on the opposite sex.
That's a very interesting question and I'd also like so see a video about it. As a bi woman myself I tended to like more androgynous men in my teenage years but now I'd say I like masculine men and ''womanly'' women more (as opposed to ''girlish'' women) - taller and with stronger features, even though ''womanly'' women can be very feminine too, but I guess that could be because I'm tall and have stronger features myself and that maybe influencing my preferences as well.
Honestly I noticed that as well. All my girl friends whose type was a skinny, soft looking, pretty boy were bi or at least bi-curious. I somewhat like androgynous look in men but only to a small extent. I like some features like pretty hair or/and big lips but the rest (eyes, jaw) has to be masculine. So for me it's more of a mixture of some soft features with mostly masculine ones.
Noticed the exact opposite. Some of my bi girlfriends had attraction to the most masculine of men, and they weren’t intimidated by the female attention these masculine men gets
When research is highly contentious like this, I think its safe to say it is not that important(at least in the context of women finding masculine faces attractive). The part about scaring other men is valid and useful though. Overall, it ranks a fair bit lower in importance versus other things like skin health, facial symmetry, and eyes.
I feel like my own preference evolves based on how much protection I feel I want from my man. By default I always preferred cute boys but when I felt more unsafe in the world/at risk I'd go for more masculine men (which is the type I'm with currently)
I think the fact that attractive women tend to go for more masculine men can be a result of them being more prone to living by societal norms. As they are considered attractive by societal standarts, they do not develop strong rejections of the norms and find men who are stereotypically handsome attractive.
Yep. Korean male beauty standards influence women a lot. Plus we don't see men trying to look masculine nowadays(I'm talking about gen z specifically), so just the fact that they don't see them a lot make men scarier to them
Another aspect that is not mentioned is that when society becomes more organized and evolved, the preference for men that are more youthful and feminine increases, but when the country is torn apart by war, the preference is more for masculine men. Edited: my hypothesis, in short,is that you can judge how advanced a civilization is by how pretty, elegant, and intelligent the men are 😅
What if you have some feminine features look young but but act masculine and always have . See I think being masculine is a mentality cause I don't have a rugged appearance but I am stoic, calculated, determined
@@ThroughDarknessComesLight well then you would flourish in a more advanced and developed society, where to survive and navigate that type of society, one must employ political maneuvers rather than fists and war.
@@Blue_Azure101 lol I just have a baby face I look young. But my body is masculine I have broad shoulder bit of muscle and I know how to box and wrestle bjj a bit.
maybe its because im bi but i like masculinity and femininity on any person. although i don't really like ultra-masculine macho types. in my opinion, attraction varies greatly depending on many factors, and you can't always categorize things like this so easily
Take a moment to appreciate the significance of research. It tries to extract the relationship of one thing to another. The overall attraction is a sum of many factors, but women and men have tendencies when those are equalised or flattned out. That's also the reason they use the terms "preference" or "tend to prefer", which conveys uncertainty, instead of "will choose" Or chooses which are hard set criteria
@@arnavrawat9864 people are really using anecdotal evidence to try and say the research is wrong like they dont understand research is done to prevent anecdotal bias in the first place
I think what matters most is not just looking masculine, but actually *being* masculine when selecting a long term mate. I know a lot of men who might have a pretty boy face, but they are very strong mentally and have masculine traits such as a dominance, discipline, being less emotional etc. yet I also know some men who have big muscles, square jawlines, who are very “feminine” such as being more submissive, being more emotional/ freely expressing their feelings etc. My husband doesn’t have a very masculine face, but he has a very masculine personality (protective, providing, tendency to be a leader, more dominant, deep voice etc.) which is why I found myself attracted to him, despite his more “feminine” features, like an obtuse jaw line etc. but don’t get me wrong, my husband is by no means a pretty boy either, so I guess that’s why the studies fail to find an absolute conclusion to this matter
Big replication issues recently with the dual mate / ovulatory shift hypothesis, good genes hypothesis, and the effects of birth control on mate preferences. Gangestad & Dinh (Gangestad is one of the original researchers who came up with the dual mate hypothesis of ovulatory shifts) published a big literature review in June of 2022 on this. Most of the more recent research hasn't been able to replicate the older effects.
As far as i remember the preference shift was never like it it is shown in the video. It was more the difference of a man with stubble and one without in the first place. Nevermind the replica issues of the studies.
Certainly true, this is why they’re still hypothesis. In the video there were also replication issues hence why the question cannot be reliably answered.
@@QOVESStudio then why dedicate an entire video to a hypothesis that has no evidence? especially when studies from multiple cultures have shown women prefer a more androgynous face to a masculine one? It really seems like you're trying to push a narrative here.
It's not about masculinity and feminity It's about beauty Beauty mean mixing masculinity with feminity Feminine lips Masculine jawline Feminine skin Masculine eyes Feminine cheekbones Feminine hairline Masculine eyebrows ... A good mix will be attractiveness
@@ayor3829 I've been focusing on looks nearly my entire life, I'm 100% sure few people who understand, I pretty sure anyone can find out in less than 10 days if they focus on it.
A mistake many people make is that they think masculinity and physical attractiveness go hand in hand no matter what which is only true to an extent. A man who has a face that is generally masculine with a strong, square jawline but has slightly softer features like a slender, medium to small-sized nose, slightly bigger eyes and slightly fuller lips (with the emphasis on slightly) is seen as the most attractive to women and a good happy medium. Go too far with the androgynous look and he looks too feminine and weak à la Timothée Chalamet, Paul Mccartney, Michael Jackson. Go too far with the hyper-masculine look and he looks like a scary monster or gorilla and is too intimidating à la Arnold Schwarzenegger, Triple H, Mike Tyson. What women want is basically Michelangelo's David or any sort of ancient Greek/Roman sculpture (outside the impossibly tiny man-part, of course) à la Brad Pitt, Sean O'Pry, David Gandy. Women are biologically more attracted to these types of men because they look masculine enough to be fertile and protective of her but not too masculine so he still looks warm and inviting and would be a good partner and parent to her children that doesn't leave her right away for the next sexy lady.
@@stefan12215 Maybe boyish is a better word than feminine. I also want to quickly say that all the men i gave as examples are generally attractive, except for maybe the hyper-masculine guys i named and after so many surgeries, Michael Jackson did look kind of freakish at the end of his life. These men just don't belong to the balanced medium that the majority but not all women want most.
Rating your own attractiveness totally depends on those around you. Just came back from LA and rating myself as a 3/10 while in Maryland I rate myself as a 6. LOL
Attraction stems from a variety of aspects to each individual coresponding with their self interests. It also goes along with their own identities and finding a match for that as well as getting their needs met. And to top it off PERSONALITY goes the furthest. It really boils down to our own self worth and what company we want with that.
Personality works in the long term, but looks often get your foot in the door. Ofc attraction is a holistic approach and shouldn't just be seen as getting an object that you want-- but this channel simply happens to focus on one aspect, other channels focus on others
Another amazing video that increases my cynicism of the love and makes me realize we are still animals that still prioritize our survival. Well time to make my trek back into the mountains and to continue being a hermit.
I'm an attractive woman off hormonal birth control and I've never preferred masculine men. Many women around me made fun of me for preferring feminine/androgynous men but start going after the same men secretly
@@xxxxxxxxxxxdfdszfgsz attractive enough I've had three men become stalkers because they believed we were "soul mates" and had women guard their boyfriends around me. Believe what you want though 👍
@@xxxxxxxxxxxdfdszfgsz overconfidence immediately makes someone more unattractive; however, we do not know her in real life, and thus cannot judge her looks.
For some reason the hottest to me were always men with more feminine faces but very masculine behavior xD Also when i was younger i used to have a very specific type when now i have a way wider range of men i find attractive.
I'm a bisexual woman and I consider myself quite attractive. I have always found androgyny appealing in both men and women and my current boyfriend leans more toward the feminine side, with big almond eyes, plump lips and a softer jawline. He's also shorter than average (around my height) with a slight build. I wouldn't change anything about him.
I have my type down to a science. Long hair, masculine forehead, masculine eyebrows, more feminine beautiful eyes, more feminine nose, masculine but soft lips, and a softer chin and jawline. (Aka exactly Alain Delon). I really love men who have both femenine and masculine features. Alain Delon, Jude law, Jared Leto, Johnny depp. Another thing is, I do always look forward to when a guy reaches late 20s/30s, because I do think they get better and better
I don't think you ever actually explained WHY the pill causes women to change preferences, you kind of just said its hormones and then went on to describe what masculine and feminine men are
it’s complicated because there are so many different types of birth control, and it can be prescribed for many different reasons… for example i was prescribed bc for acne and my friend takes it as birth control. It affects every woman differently
Aaron Taylor-Johnson in the movie Anna Karenina 2012 as Vronsky is one of the most handsome and attractive men I’ve ever seen, the mustache, the blond hair etc. that’s exactly the kind of men I would call attractive. I just don’t know if he would fall more on the masculine side or the feminine, but for me he fits somewhere in the middle.
Hey QOVES, Dream, one of the biggest TH-camrs just face revealed and the internet has polarizing opinions on him, from worshipping to bullying, I think it would be really interesting to see your objective analysis on his face.
Just want to know the women demographic? Was it just American women as a interviewed one I may be an exception which is a high probability but I would say a lot of women will disagree , both the sample men are handsome but I like the more girly one ?
All of this is true. Hormones CHANGES anyone's minds, even in just these minute dimorphic details. Perhaps as someone who is chemically imbalanced and has PCOS, my preferences for extremely dimorphic features is in line when I'm ovulating and after a period.
I’ve had PCOS since I was 12 or 13, and I have never been attracted to the pretty boy look, nor can I trust it. I’ve always been attracted to handsome masculine looking men.
Personal observations: From 14-20, girls seemed like they prefered tall, skinny(perhaps with abs), blond guys with cuter/a bit feminine faces. I also remember when I was like 15-16 the girls would see any guy over 20 and would be like "he looks old". From early 20s onwards, women switched to preferring tall, muscular men, with masculine faces, dark hair and beards. Sometimes with a tan and tattoos. Also, a lot of them started dating older guys, not 1-3 years older, but usually 5-10 years older. I guess it comes down to the fact that a lot of men can't grow a full beard till their late 20s, and getting a good physique takes ~4-5 years of consistent training and let's be honest here most teenagers don't start working out at 12. Money might also be a factor as well.
No wonder why I'm so damn miserable and lonely. I'm 19 and have been jacked since I was 17.. 😒 Not to mention that I was born with a shit hairline, yeah it's basically over for me
@uell nah bro it’s not over. Start working out and make this your routine for as long as possible. Trust me i have been there. Trust the process and remember this comment
until they feel like they are competing with one in the relationship, it can throw off the normal dynamic, if that pretty boy is trying to be the hot bitch In the relationship
@@pinacolada1393so Ur saying it's ok for women to be insecure n be the best looking one but as soon as a guy does it it's wrong how bout everyone stops being insecure but the woman should be prettier n the guy should be handsomer n rugged a man n woman competiting is weird as
Can you do a video on facial harmony? I think its the reason many models are not conventionally attractive. They'll usually have prominent cheekbones, lean faces,etc but it will be out of harmony with the rest of their features
lol I guess my attraction to "average" or slightly feminine men (I prefer average to slightly short men, extremely defined jawlines look cartoonish to me, etc) makes me average. So be it. But good looking men rarely have anything to offer besides their looks. So when their looks fade, they become insufferable. Average men are used to working for what they want and it makes them more interesting.
I feel like culture also plays into part with this because as someone who's asian our standards are a bit different. This study feels like it just caters to western standard whereas femininity in men is seen as attractive in most asian countries, this is also seen throughout history. Maybe the reason why we see alot of western women find feminine men more attractive nowadays is because of asian influence?
Nah mate Asians don't like feminine men, it's just that there is no stress on muscle and physicality, instead more on finance, stability, health. Actually there should be more stress on physicality and muscle, for enjoying life.
@@omegads3862 @Omega Ds I'm literally an asian woman living in asia. Your concept of asian woman preferring masculine are asians who grew up in the west and was a completely different culture. Even if you look at older and more "masculine" celebrities in asia, they're never to the point of western masculinity and most of them would still have a softer look to them. Even older women here prefer "feminine" looking men.
@@omegads3862 Korean and japanese beauty standards for men are very feminine compared to western beauty. The men shave their faces, have medium to long hair, and are small framed its also socially acceptable for men to where make up. Wow u are ignorant.
I love pretty men I always have. Much more than masculine looking men, they have both masculine and fem traits and it blends so well aaaaa (and I'm an attractive woman and never have been on BC)
I like men that have masculine bodies and feminine and masculine facial features with maybe some small feminine features on the body as well. Do you think this could be because I'm bi (f)? This could be a REALLY interesting video about how bi/gay people trend towards liking certain masculine vs. Feminine features.
I am a lesbian and when I find guys that are attractive, they’re usually softer and feminine looking so yes, I think it might have something to do with your sexuality, especially if you’re more into girls.
Idky but I find feminine features on men to be much more attractive (to me, the curly long haired guy in the video looks like a work of art) and masculine ones to sometimes be very plain and unremarkable most often(in the case of the masc example used here I don’t find him attractive) yet I usually find myself not imagining potential relationships w guys who I find more beautiful and idk if it’s bc I’m intimidated to be in a relationship w someone I view as equally or more attractive than me, bc of wanting a partner whose strong & I could subconsciously imagine protecting me or if it’s just random lol; but I have seen men who are just as beautiful and very masculine (taller, deep voice, wide shoulders, muscle etc) sooo idk lol
Your comment is so interesting, I know what you mean because I have the same tastes, and I have felt a bit intimidated when dating someone who, to me, was extremely pretty. I have however no problem imagining myself with this type of guy, but I do like someone with delicate features but at the same time masculine characteristics as in tall, deep voice, strong personality. If he's too masculine looking there's no physical attraction on my part, and if his personality is not masculine then there's no emotional attraction if it makes sense
Idk qove there’s just as many studies proving that birth control doesn’t affect a women’s cycle… I think the fact that women have a lower sex drive is the reason for why they end up with partners that they don’t find sexually attractive when they are on it… I think sexual dimorphism is only important to the extent that you are sexually mature and compliment the other person’s gender identity … evo psychology isn’t inherent people must remain adaptable … with all that being said… I hope you read this
women does not have lower sex drive than men its just expressed in different ways or they get turned on in different ways than men and many other nuances.
@@ar433new6 I should have clarified… a women’s sex drive is lower when she’s on birth control… so she is willing to stay with partners she does not find sexually attractive…
I have always liked (classic TDH)masculine guys with tall height, dark skin colour,muscles, beard and moustache having qualities like being strong able to protect family. I just feel naturally drawn to them for example south asian actors:- Shahrukh Khan, Wahaj Ali, Dhruv Vikram.
I wondered for a while if your preference is based off what you have or what category you fit in. For example, a woman who is considered to be masculine by society seems to go for a more soft masculine look. Very feminine women going for a very masculine looking men (very tall, broad shoulders etc). This would go the same way if the coin was flipped.
@@alexiakyriacou1397 some part of me wonders if the opposite opportunity seems more inviting? Are those that go against the grain more open minded? Are the hunter and gathering concepts lost on those that are interested in opposite opportunities because that's part of the past and modern society doesn't need it? (I think it's because the choices are more inviting) Thank you for sharing your experience, glad to know I'm not alone in this thought.
@@alexiakyriacou1397 I was like that practically all my teenage life until I've kind of forced myseld into being more feminine. I just thought it's more practucal to be feminine compared to how I've been raised by my mom. Now after like 2 years when I changed my habits I'm attracted only to masculine men
I also wonder if those women who prefer more masculine, does it have to do with feeling safe as well. I've heard from women who want masculine men say that was part of the reason but I know that probably isn't for all.
I have a masculine face (lot of people say that I look "scary" or like a boxer) and yes, most of the women that liked me said that I made them feel safe.
@@cyberpunkenjoyer3032 it’s funny because most boxer who are elite level known don’t even look like they can fight . Example canelo Alvarez and gennady golovkin look like nice dudes haha
What about gay and bisexual men? Do they prefer masculine men on average as well? I'm curious about how gender and sexual orientation plays into these things.
As gay masculine man( I kinda have feminine lips and eye structure, strong jaw and good cheekbones), I do have a preference for pretty boys over more masculine less feminine looking men. But this is probably from my experience, masculine attractive looking men r snobbish and hold themselves up high, while feminine looking pretty men r more nice .
I have reviewed some research on gay male preferences and gay men seem to have stronger preferences for highly dimorphic faces than women do. There is not a lot of research however.
@@alex.datepsych I had the same preference too till I kinda broadened my perception of beauty, I went from liking someone who looks like he'd dominate me, to liking someone who's pretty in any way and not be snobbish. Ig the way gay ppl were raised has a huge influence on their perception of what's attractive to them, back in my fake femmeboy era I really thought that I have to be as submissive as possible to get a man. Now I'm as dominant as possible and still get a man
Bruh, it's very easy, you have your own type as a human being, you might be attracted to certain traits (usually people who look like you or who give you a sense of home, so if you had a bad childhood...well you know why they stay with bad boys now.) Anyway, usually loving somebody has nothing to do with their appearance, at least if you really do love them. Edit: also, don't change yourself for someone else, just focus on being a kinder, nicer person, and that's it.
I've always been rather masculine in appearance, early onset of puberty, slightly bigger than most guys my age, etc etc and this does connect the dots looking back. In HS and college my friend circle consisting of guys like me who were considered "dumb jocks" somehow managed to pull the really beautiful girls. Girls that we would consider out of our leagues, and often think "Wait, that actually worked?" Sometimes it was really effortless, considering the fact that we literally behaved like grunting cavemen at times. At the time we just thought we were hot sh1t but who knew there was this type of logic behind it lmao
Haha, I was the opposite. I was a shy, skinny, nerdy kid who got bullied and picked on all through school, and obviously got no attention from girls. At 20, I said f*** this, I gotta do something. So I spent years hitting the gym, forcing myself into social situations, and learning how to be more charismatic and outgoing. After nearly a decade I'd put on 50 pounds of muscle, finally achieving the Baywatch physique I'd always wanted, and went from shy and insecure to outgoing and charismatic. But despite all those years of blood, sweat and tears, I STILL get no interest from girls I approach. Life is f***ing ridiculous.
Interesting. I would’ve expected the opposite. With the rise “e-boys” or “soft-boys” and just effeminate men in general, I would’ve suspected that more masculine looking men would be seen as less attractive (especially with the whole toxic masculinity thing being all the rage these days).
I think a lot of it may have to do with perceived personality and character traits with the whole ‘men written by women’ trend and an overall emphasis on the female gaze. Like these more ‘effeminate’ looking men may be associated with positive character traits from a woman’s pov like a Harry styles type so it’s possible that some see the opposite of that, traditionally masculine looking men, to be less attractive cos they may harbour views/ possess traits that women see as not aligning with the ‘written by a woman narrative’ not that it’s necessarily the case or that women believe the stereotype to be true all the time, I think that look just fits with the trend so it’s sometimes seen as appealing depending on the context but especially online
@@alexforce9 That also seems to correlate with how humans age. Men do get more masculine over time, so it would make sense if women shift their preferences according to what their age group looks like.
Pretty boys/twinks have always been my absolute weakness 😩🤤 and this has nothing to do with age (some people in the comments are equating this type of look to younger males). For example I’m 28 and my partner is 38, but he still has that pretty boy/twink look even though he’s older!
im crying at a woman describing their man as a twink cause its usually gay men who use that term but i really get what you mean at the same time lmaooo. theres something about them
I have one side of my face more masculine and the other more flat and soft, so maybe I have both. However, i think being masculine puts to much pressure in men sometimes, I don't want to feel that I have a duty in protecting and providing women, I want to be free and happy
I go for someone I think I could stand near and see a match with, our features in harmony with each other, like if they have an aquiline nose, I know I can balance that out with my nose shape. Or they have a good hairline that I know would give our potential children a better characteristic. It's the image, of us together hypothetically that attracts me most of the time.
@@maryy0012 I misinterpreted the original comment as "looking for a partner with similar features to your own to pass on children", but apparently it was wrong. My bad
@@maryy0012 Obviously it isn't going to be true for the average joe buddy. In the hierarchy of choice they are last. It actually is true to the high society, look at the spouses and children of every high value man(even when they are ugly, they have a wife and children who are beautiful, most of times)
Idk my personal attractiveness level but I'd say although I do like more feminine looking guys....like k-pop idols and all. I still would prefer to have a more masculine guy just because i always feel like a tomboy and i would want to feel more feminine around the one I am involved with. And also feel more protected lol.
I mean ya, even popular culture has a huge effect on women's preference. However, I do believe that after a age, it wears off and they start to realise what they truly want, you know, after working, seeing the world a bit and all. Girls always objected to me removing my beard but found it alright enough when I did go clean shave cuz I do a bit of mewing. It's pretty weird cuz people don't know what they want at younger age(am quite young)...so the best suggestion would be to be strong and stay healthy ig
Btw this is true for men too on a certain extent. One of my friends likes model type of women, very slim with small chest while I like women with huge butts and chests.
One thing I couldn’t wrap my head round is how the male leads and heartthrobs of the past like Clark gable or Humphrey bogart or Sean connery were considered really handsome. When I think of handsome I tend to think of sharp jaw, defined cheekbones and hollow cheeks. The features of those old hollywood actors lacked any of those
Rudolph Valentino, Ivor Novello etc. had the more model-type look you consider handsome. Young Gregory Peck too - something a tad feminine in his face imo, probably the lips. Though today most film stars of either sex don't look like models any more than then. A lot of those actors were gay and played slightly off-beat or sinister characters. Bogart wasn't really cast in roles for a handsome guy, he usually played characters that were a little bit sleazy or something and he had the face for that (no offence to the legend). But if you think Cary Grant was not handsome, entire opinion invalid
I'm still more inclined with the notion that testosterone is immunoregulatory rather than immunosuppressive (or having harmful effects) thus the current idea of T ornamentation may be incomplete or flawed. A 2016 study states the immune effects of T for a wide range of immune factors and that "most [older] studies either focus on a few indicators of immunity, are confounded by phenotypic correlation, or are observational." Medical professionals know that a stronger immune response is as bad as a weakened one. Other recent studies about severe covid infections state that men with low T are at very high risk 9f death while a study about stomach inflammation says that testosterone acts to regulate inflammatory response and may have a protective effect on stomach cancers. Inflammation is a risk factor for developing cancers and autoimmune diseases. This is the reason why women are more susceptible to autoimmune diseases and certain cancers. Also, men with lower T tend to have elevated estrogens which also coincide with aging and a slightly higher cancer prevalence in older men than both younger men and women in general. Fyi, estrogens are listed alongside asbestos and nuclear exposure for potent carcinogenicity.
Makes sense. Testosterone has been linked to a ratio dependant response with cortisol (stress). This means, the higher the testosterone, the lower the cortisol. Inflammation is usually associated with stress as well. I can't stand how modern society disregards this and even negatively characterizes testosterone.
A man with feminine features is more reliable.. I see him as more nurturing kind and reliable. Where as masculine men are more unfriendly looking to me. I think that's why I prefer a more feminine/masculine face. When it comes to body I do like broad shoulders and athletic look though.
No, you prefer feminine men because you are weak and insecure so you sought after men who are also weak. Your profile picture explains to me everything.
I appreciate sticking to the masculine feminine dichotomy here. A lot of channels bend to accommodate the internet mob, and it’s refreshing to see that the science you present on QOVES isn’t yet totally captured by ideology
I think, if it is true that more attractive women prefer more masculine men, that an obvious reason could be largely about ego/insecurity. Like you said, a beautiful woman may feel more confident that a masculine won’t leave her, or at least that she could find another one. I’ve heard many women say things like “I couldn’t be with a man prettier than me” or “I don’t think I would date someone who was significantly more attractive than me.” (I personally can’t relate.) But I think they know that even on a day to day basis, she may feel insecure next to him. But I think a POSSIBLE less obvious reason could be related to familiarity. I thought of this only when you mentioned that attractive women also preferred feminine traits in women. I remember you saying in one video something along the lines of ‘there are beautiful people in every race, and beautiful people are much like their own race.’ Because you were talking about the traits that tend to exist in beautiful people across the board. Could the slimness that exposes an attractive woman’s feminine traits and her good genetics be familiar to her? And could her male relatives also have attractive masculine traits that are familiar to her? And might the opposite be true for less attractive women?
My type is the preety boy, tall slim anime type Guy, not too feminine but not the bearded Buff viking type. More like Timothee Chalamet for ex. Im 24 and that has always been my type, pill or no pill
I have my own Hypothesis. Being extremes on either end is good. Hyper neonatal (Boyband lead singer) are signs you will produce a good looking daughter. Hyper masculine(action movie lead actor) are signs you will produce a good looking son. Standing out from the crowds is good in either direction. You will always have your group of fans.
I'd have to say personally I really like feminine men. I like men regardless but there's something about a girly face on a man that I'm weak for. If he looks like a lesbian he's a keeper 👌🔥
You won’t. An untrained man (i.e no gym or martial art training) has 156% higher upper body strenght than an average female. If you’re fighting a even vaugely athletic male you will get destroyed. And that’s not even factoring in the fact men overall are larger than females and thus can physically dominate them with greater ease. Also meme ”womens self defence classes” are 99% bullshido taught by creeps/people only out for money. Learn a real martial art like muay thai or brazilian jiu-jitsu (or even MMA) instead. Or better yet get a gun if you can.
Pretty masculine guy, I always liked either very feminine or tomboyish girls, it might be scientifically possible to assume who I will like, but it's kind of random.
I personally have never found feminine men that attractive (keep in mind i am a bisexual woman) and i always like feminine women.. i have never been on birth control. I am an animal for masculine men lolll
Yeah, I think it's ideal for a man to have both masculine and feminine physical characteristics, almost all men have both sides although it's to various extents
its just what their generation put up as attractive, the line is blurred in this generation so thats why u see girls nowadays liking more feminine dude, back them ultra masculine was the standard so thats why the older gen liked that til today
@@antagonisf Lmao. Ultra masculine was the standard? WHEN? In the 1940s maybe. We had boy bands too in the 90s. Girls went crazy about them then just as they went crazy over Justin Bieber like 10 years ago. And just like they go crazy over pretty boy aesthetic now. When Titanic hit the theaters girls where crazy Over Leo DiCaprio.
I don't know where i stand, I'm tall, broad shoulders, muscular with a deep voice, but a femenine face and hair. People always say i look 17-18 in the face but 25+ body 🤷🏻♂️
Hmm, reminds me of Inosuke lol Here in this vid we're talking only about physical beauty, but attractions includes many other things, so maybe consider them
I m in that place too although i m not that tall i m well built and hv smwhat of a husky deep voice, i m 25+ buy people often ask me if i m in high school n yeah girls attracted to me are high schoolers mostly
I wonder to what degree birth control is behind the huge divorce rate. Meet man. Marry man. Come off birth control. Realize he’s too feminine for your new preferences. Divorce.
No. The main reason it that people can get a divorce nowadays. The only thing that kept people together in earlier times was social pressure and the law. The main reason why women are more likely to divorce is probably because they don’t profit from marriage the way men do. Statistically men who are married are healthier and happier than unmarried men but married women are less healthy and happy and die earlier than unmarried women. It’s because usually men create more work in the household, expect their wife’s to clean up after them, and tend to contribute less emotionally to the relationship. They also often don’t contribute enough to childcare.
@@katybee3891 no it's not because of that, marriage doesn't benefit women because today they have unlimited choice and they always feel like they can get a better deal. Men on the other hand have a huge stress over finding a partner (unless you are very handsome) so for us is better to be in a long term relationship where we don't have to stress over finding someone to procreate with. It has nothing to do with housework or stuff like that.
@@cyberpunkenjoyer3032 yes it does. why do you think men that are married live longer and are happier and women that are married live shorter and are less happier?
I’m a little masculine in features so I think I go for whatever I’m “missing” in looks in order to aim for better looking children, which is maybe a slighter build in men..I have pretty wide shoulders so I don’t go for super wide shouldered men etc. I’m not slim and frail so I don’t need a thick burly man..this would make more thick burly, hairy lol children..it’s a matter of balancing the ratio. My family runs short n stocky so I go for tall n slim..but that’s just baseline looks, and society, personality and experiences all affect it too..
That's an interesting hypothesis for explaining mate choice. Basically a desire to have kids closer to the society's median. It makes sense that some people unconsciously do this.
@hello33 attraction is instinctive. Instinct exists for biological functionality. I don't want more kids (I already have 3) but my preferences for women still reflect the biological function of sex. I am attracted to women of reproductive age. I can love a woman who has run out of eggs but I can't desire her.
None of this refers to attration though. Women are attracted to 1 group of men but they settle for another group. So what women prefer has nothing to do with who they actually are attracted to.
Ngl I'm almost 30 and still prefer men with feminine/androgynous traits, though I don't mind a clean moustach/goatee combo with longer hair à la Ye Soft Poet Lad. You know, that type lol
The feminine model has darker hair which is something often preferred by women (and it's paired with striking light eyes). A better comparison would be between him to someone like David Gandy who is masculine while possessing similar characteristics.
I find androgynous features so beautiful, I know it’s a bit off topic but I would love for you to analyze Atsushi Sakurai or Hyde , those two men’s beauty has always fascinated me. It’s quite unique I don’t really know why, but they have some sort of balance in masculine-feminine features
I regret the conceit this may reveal, but to answer the above question, this one does. I'm postmenopausal. Significantly improving my health and vitality has brought my libido back with a vengeance. I've gotten and still get, more than enough male attention for my looks. My first husband was good-looking, fit, and eye-level with me. We had a strong-enough relationship but I constantly fantasized about bigger, more masculine men. My late (second) spouse was tall, strong, furry as hell, and had a luscious deep voice. As much as I'd like male company again, I can't get excited about anyone with less than my late mate's size and other sexual characteristics (fur, voice, etc.) I tried to dismiss these preferences most of my life, trying to "settle for." I'm good in my own company and I'll stay on my own rather than settle again for anything less. It's not fair to the man, either. Everyone deserves 100% love and admiration.
Comments are so weird like; Feminine women say they love feminine men; people say that they're fetishizing young men. Masculine women say they love feminine men; people say that they're being a mother to their partners. Feminine men say they love masculine women; people say that they're gay. The only options people expect/accept/support is masculine men loving feminine women. People do not owe you any kind of background for their personal relationships and they don't have to be fetish based. Stop putting people into boxes just because you don't know any better.
Most girls like feminine men. Most women are gay. When i was 18 and weighed 125 pounds with long hair I got hit on by lesbians yet straight girls didn't like me. When i had short hair and a beard and weighed 200 i got a completely different type of girl. Now that im 160 i get average girls.
I had a video request: most of your videos are about exploring what beauty is. I understand that achieving that ideal beauty is mostly either through genetics and proper habits from childhood or through expensive surgeries. However, attaining those as a teenager in a third world country is practically impossible. Therefore, I would request you to make a video that provides a 'cost-effective' detailed actionable plan and habits for us. A video that talks little about theory and more about what to do to make the most out of my situation. While I know that all of this isn't very effective compared to surgeries and habits from childhood, at least I'll have something to do.
I feel like there’s more important things women are attracted to, most attractive masculine and feminine men have really similar features, Tall, nice jawline, sexy deepset upturn eyes, etc, those things make any guy hotter to any women statistically, him being more soft or sharp is like comparing a sexy women to a cute women they both will attract more men if they have basic attractive features
The hottest men I think, are the vikings-like guys. HOWEVER I have never dated one like that. Preferences is one thing, but at the end of the day, we date and choose emotions, personality, maturity, intelligence and other details. But I see a “viking” and 🤤
Yes it's typical, ugly women love masculine looking men, in other words ugly men, hot women love hot men in general. The logic is simple, an ugly women will feel insecure being with a hot man, they don't want to be with a guy hotter than themselfs, unless you're very confident in yourself to date hot men. But being alone as a women is impossible, you have to pull apart from soceity to do that. You'll agree with this if I speak womanese. "Men are perverts" nearly any women is hot for men, just as long as she's feminim inside and out, just have long hair, and a skirt, (iconic silhouette of a female) and act feminim and you'll find love. A girl I used to date was deformed, she sort of looked like a man, but she wore makeup, had a wig and wore skirts this completly changed her look, but by doing this it boosted her ego becasue lots of men started to flirt with her, eventually she ended up cheating on me, and I'm like a lameduck still grinding without success.
If you are a woman in your late teens/early 20s, trust me you will have a way easier time attracting masculine men of your same age range than you think. Usually, masculine-looking late-teenage guys tend to have little to no chance with girls their age because they are not of the preferred prettyboy phenotype
@maj3732 you know, I've only ever been complimented by older women rather than by girls my age, probably because I look older than I actually am, so I know how you feel Besides, I doubt you're as unattractive as you say you are, maybe I could prove you wrong haha
I'd say some factor depends on the value someone places in the aesthetics, not only of the other person but of the couple too, It is undeniable that two similar looking people make a better couple looks-wise than the old myth of the 'pair of opposites' (fat and lean, very malculine and very feminine, very young and very old, beautiful and ugly etc), of all my girl friends the ones who tend to go for more masculine looking men are usually the same ones that say they don't care much about looks, while my more art-leaning, beauty-driven friends tend to like feminine boys and/or women, wich happens to be my preference too, i can't say for sure but there seems to be something going on there, that the more beauty-driven people (perhaps the very feminine beauty canon for both men and women in art influences too) tend to prefer the most graceful, elegant and feminine and hence generating a preference for less masculine men and women, seems to be a common trend for this kind of people, i also read something aboutw women in positions of power or yearning for it going for younger boyish looking men that they percibe as more controllable, tho i don't think in those cases the decision is driven by how pretty the guy is
I think a big misconception people have with this topic is that they think of masculinity an beauty being mutually exlcusive. Pretty boys that are popular with women all have masculine features. Sharp jawline, good frame, lean body etc.
Yess
Thats cause ugly guys try to push the whole pReTtYBoYs ArE fEmInINe agenda
Ngl those all sound like characteristics female models have as well.
and tall like bts
@@shinjite06 Most female models have masculine traits
My taste in men changed over the years and I've never been on birth control. When I was younger I preferred more feminine looking men, and the older I gotten the more I started preferring more masculine men.
Same. I had no interest for anyone's looks when I was a teen....then adulthood struck. The hormones in our bodies are a factor. I mean I would soon prefer very dimorphic/masculine/feminine looking bodies as my period comes close, and then picks up again after.
Is it not just liking people closer to your own age? Guys get more masculine with age.
@@shinjite06 yeah that's a pretty good hypothesis
@@shinjite06 that depends...there are people who got older but did not have any strong masculine or feminine features, who remained androgynous or just average in features.
So I prefer myself to be more feminine looking as I will attract more younger girls. Btw you're aged now that no men likes
Women do prefer attractive men, period, but whether that man is more of a pretty boy, a hyper masculine man, or a balanced blend of the two varies. Know your market.
The face might vary, but the height is common.
@@harsh3948 yup. Which is why as a man your goal should be to go for women who are shorter than you
@@lordofgingers I don't want my kids to be short(I'm only 5'8) so I'll probably get limb lengthening surgery to attract a taller than average woman(at the very least 5'7)
@@markusmath3421 wtf is wrong with you
@@markusmath3421 dont XD
I’ve found myself attracted to both but I feel at my most feminine when I am around men who are not only “masculine” in nature but also in appearance.
i felt myself attracted to none. BAHHA
Right? I'm attracted to both types but change my personality around each 😥
@@SalemSommers yo wtf, you have MPD?
@@timonbubnic322 That's not MPD bud
@@notan3144 idk changing personalities is pretty indicative of that she might not be aware that she has it, its either that or then another option is that she is simply manipulative and lying to people to fit a certain image or smth
I think the main point that this video is missing is that just because on AVERAGE men or women prefer a certain look doesn't mean it applies across the board. Effeminate depictions of masculine beauty have existed for at least thousands of years, dating back to Greek myths depicted feminine heroes/Gods like Narcissus or Apollo as the peak of beauty. You also see it in Christian murals of "beautiful" males who have long flowing hair, smooth faces, and narrow jawlines. This preference isn't just a new generation trend.
There's a good chunk of women who genuinely prefer feminine-looking men, just as there are some men who are attracted to petite women and some who prefer voluptuous women. We all fill in different niches, and you'll see all across the board when it comes to human characteristics that there are always "groups" that are outliers from the norm, simply because evolution prefers diversity.
so based
the word ''feminine' has become so meaningless when applied to guys, someone is here calling Greek nude sculptures of athletic youths with not a trace of fat on their bodies 'feminine' when. Apollo the god most associated with masculinity feminine..? Silly. (The feminine god is Dionysus..)
Absolutely. For how 'sciencey' and evidence based this channel is, they rarely talk about effect size and variance.
To be honest bro if your actually good looking you will pull women being both , pretty or masculine
Facts
Duh both are attractive 😂
I'm a very feminine guy (both in looks and personality) and I've always been attracted to more masculine women (also both in looks and personality). So I wonder if there is some research suggesting that this whole dynamic is not bound to biological sex, but instead how masculine/feminine someone is.
Polarities :) that’s what I was thinking the entire video.
Similarly, I would say I possess more feminine traits as a woman (smaller frame, face, etc) but have a more "masculine" personality, and my preference for men is a relatively masculine frame but a feminine personality/way of dressing.
You craze that void you are missing
@@caminte it depends on what u mean what masculine? The guys u talk about are uber masculine. Dwyne johnson rock
But chads are masculine guys.
Loki
And guys whore femenine are pretty boys
Charlet timothee
Mommy problems
I've gotten more attention from women since I started working out but it doesn't change the fact that I'm introverted and shy, so I'm very scared of misinterpretation
You’re not alone. Most men, including me, are scared of misinterpretation. But you just gotta take a chance bro. Worst that’ll happen is they say no
@@spaceisalie5451 not always, it's a growing trend these days for women to make scene out of it or be extra disrespectful to boost their fragile egos
Best thing to do is see if she shows any interest first. If a girl's interested, she'll usually give choosing signals although sometimes it's just because she wants attention. If you decide to make your move just go up and be direct, no pick-up lines or that corny stuff
Some girls like masculine looking but calm and introverted personalities
@@FalcaoXTZ I know I do!! I think masculine but calm/introverted men give off very stoic energy
As someone who is a very 50/50 bisexual, I noticed I leaned more towards androgyneous looking men when I was insecure and felt very plain, but after going through puberty and getting more self-confidence in looks department, I found that my preferences became very feminine women and very masculine men. So this is a real eye-opener
Are u male or female?
@@spaceisalie5451 yeah that's the most important part
@@spaceisalie5451 a phrase “after going through puberty” sounds more like a male to me tbh
UPD: what i mean is that women don’t use this phrase as much as men do. You don’t hear your girlfriend saying “You know, after going through puberty i became so confident”, lol. But boys do actually & we talking about puberty way more. Damn, even this video is about men, come on
@@artemuliashkevych7892 Why does that sound like a male, women go through puberty as well. My gut impression is that this person is female.
correlation isnt causation? maybe you just prefer people your age
Honestly, men with a bit of a masculine body and a feminine face are just the best :'p
YESS!
gay
Speak for yourself
Sooooo... you like stuff?
"Younger fathers with healthier seeds." Red Pillers are punching the air rn.
I didnt get it?
Huh?..
Now they have a "wall" too 😭😭lmao
You are making no sense.
It's true. The genetic material in the sperm degrades with age of father as well. Autism, schizophrenia just off the top of my head. Goggle it.
Idk but I’ve noticed that women who’s preference are non masculine men almost always happened to be bisexual women. Ofcourse there are bisexual women that are the complete opposite (as in they prefer masculine men/feminine women) but I noticed a BIG chunk of bi women tend to have a preference towards androgynous and feminine men. I wonder if for a lot of those bi women, does their sexuality influence certain preferences on the opposite sex.
As a bi woman i think about it all the time
That's a very interesting question and I'd also like so see a video about it. As a bi woman myself I tended to like more androgynous men in my teenage years but now I'd say I like masculine men and ''womanly'' women more (as opposed to ''girlish'' women) - taller and with stronger features, even though ''womanly'' women can be very feminine too, but I guess that could be because I'm tall and have stronger features myself and that maybe influencing my preferences as well.
Honestly I noticed that as well. All my girl friends whose type was a skinny, soft looking, pretty boy were bi or at least bi-curious.
I somewhat like androgynous look in men but only to a small extent. I like some features like pretty hair or/and big lips but the rest (eyes, jaw) has to be masculine. So for me it's more of a mixture of some soft features with mostly masculine ones.
Noticed the exact opposite. Some of my bi girlfriends had attraction to the most masculine of men, and they weren’t intimidated by the female attention these masculine men gets
I agree. But when I thought I was straight my preferences for pretty boys was the same.
Honestly, I always liked angelic looking men lol 😂
Jiminnie
Lucifer Morningstar fan over here
angels are all male, canonically/biblically speaking
What does that mean?
@@engineeringka14dait means she loves women
When research is highly contentious like this, I think its safe to say it is not that important(at least in the context of women finding masculine faces attractive). The part about scaring other men is valid and useful though. Overall, it ranks a fair bit lower in importance versus other things like skin health, facial symmetry, and eyes.
I feel like my own preference evolves based on how much protection I feel I want from my man. By default I always preferred cute boys but when I felt more unsafe in the world/at risk I'd go for more masculine men (which is the type I'm with currently)
This. I made a comment about that as well
Why do you feel unsafe/ at risk?
@@user-go2xi7zq5q have you not looked around at the state of the world? anxiety is at an all time high
Masculine as in macho can fight , knows how to use weapons or whatever ?
very relatable actually
That thumbnail is cursed💀
I think the fact that attractive women tend to go for more masculine men can be a result of them being more prone to living by societal norms. As they are considered attractive by societal standarts, they do not develop strong rejections of the norms and find men who are stereotypically handsome attractive.
Good point
Mating preferences change throughout the ovulatory cycle
Yep. Korean male beauty standards influence women a lot. Plus we don't see men trying to look masculine nowadays(I'm talking about gen z specifically), so just the fact that they don't see them a lot make men scarier to them
I dont think so
Or because it’s an evolutionary survival trait that has been engraved for hundreds of thousands of years.
Another aspect that is not mentioned is that when society becomes more organized and evolved, the preference for men that are more youthful and feminine increases, but when the country is torn apart by war, the preference is more for masculine men.
Edited: my hypothesis, in short,is that you can judge how advanced a civilization is by how pretty, elegant, and intelligent the men are 😅
What if you have some feminine features look young but but act masculine and always have . See I think being masculine is a mentality cause I don't have a rugged appearance but I am stoic, calculated, determined
@@ThroughDarknessComesLight well then you would flourish in a more advanced and developed society, where to survive and navigate that type of society, one must employ political maneuvers rather than fists and war.
@@Blue_Azure101 lol I just have a baby face I look young. But my body is masculine I have broad shoulder bit of muscle and I know how to box and wrestle bjj a bit.
@@pulse3554 sure ☺️
@@pulse3554 there’s a difference between hypothesis vs theory. Science much?
maybe its because im bi but i like masculinity and femininity on any person. although i don't really like ultra-masculine macho types. in my opinion, attraction varies greatly depending on many factors, and you can't always categorize things like this so easily
Take a moment to appreciate the significance of research.
It tries to extract the relationship of one thing to another.
The overall attraction is a sum of many factors, but women and men have tendencies when those are equalised or flattned out.
That's also the reason they use the terms "preference" or "tend to prefer", which conveys uncertainty, instead of "will choose" Or chooses which are hard set criteria
@@arnavrawat9864 people are really using anecdotal evidence to try and say the research is wrong
like they dont understand research is done to prevent anecdotal bias in the first place
I'm bi and I'm pretty much the same. If they're aesthetically pleasing, and good person, I will really like them
Yeah, you're just degenerated. But don't worry, most people in modern society are.
Objective to an extent but that extent is quite limited
I think what matters most is not just looking masculine, but actually *being* masculine when selecting a long term mate. I know a lot of men who might have a pretty boy face, but they are very strong mentally and have masculine traits such as a dominance, discipline, being less emotional etc. yet I also know some men who have big muscles, square jawlines, who are very “feminine” such as being more submissive, being more emotional/ freely expressing their feelings etc. My husband doesn’t have a very masculine face, but he has a very masculine personality (protective, providing, tendency to be a leader, more dominant, deep voice etc.) which is why I found myself attracted to him, despite his more “feminine” features, like an obtuse jaw line etc. but don’t get me wrong, my husband is by no means a pretty boy either, so I guess that’s why the studies fail to find an absolute conclusion to this matter
This. Psycological factors (like brutality and discipline) are more important in the long run rather than square jaw and height
Expressing emotions freely and being emotional isn’t feminine, it’s maturity.
@@maryy0012 why would women want to choose a brutal partner?
@@katybee3891 I don't think she meant brutality in a psycho way, but more of a not being whiny and, for a lack of a better word, "cool".
@@maryy0012 being brutal is considered attractive😳😳?
Big replication issues recently with the dual mate / ovulatory shift hypothesis, good genes hypothesis, and the effects of birth control on mate preferences. Gangestad & Dinh (Gangestad is one of the original researchers who came up with the dual mate hypothesis of ovulatory shifts) published a big literature review in June of 2022 on this. Most of the more recent research hasn't been able to replicate the older effects.
This.
As far as i remember the preference shift was never like it it is shown in the video.
It was more the difference of a man with stubble and one without in the first place.
Nevermind the replica issues of the studies.
Certainly true, this is why they’re still hypothesis. In the video there were also replication issues hence why the question cannot be reliably answered.
The Chadistician strikes again!
@@QOVESStudio then why dedicate an entire video to a hypothesis that has no evidence? especially when studies from multiple cultures have shown women prefer a more androgynous face to a masculine one? It really seems like you're trying to push a narrative here.
It's not about masculinity and feminity
It's about beauty
Beauty mean mixing masculinity with feminity
Feminine lips
Masculine jawline
Feminine skin
Masculine eyes
Feminine cheekbones
Feminine hairline
Masculine eyebrows
...
A good mix will be attractiveness
"It's about beauty", you have no idea how few people understand.
@@GabrielOsorio2 maybe 😂
@@ayor3829 What do you mean maybe?
@@GabrielOsorio2 maybe few maybe alot
@@ayor3829 I've been focusing on looks nearly my entire life, I'm 100% sure few people who understand, I pretty sure anyone can find out in less than 10 days if they focus on it.
A mistake many people make is that they think masculinity and physical attractiveness go hand in hand no matter what which is only true to an extent. A man who has a face that is generally masculine with a strong, square jawline but has slightly softer features like a slender, medium to small-sized nose, slightly bigger eyes and slightly fuller lips (with the emphasis on slightly) is seen as the most attractive to women and a good happy medium. Go too far with the androgynous look and he looks too feminine and weak à la Timothée Chalamet, Paul Mccartney, Michael Jackson. Go too far with the hyper-masculine look and he looks like a scary monster or gorilla and is too intimidating à la Arnold Schwarzenegger, Triple H, Mike Tyson. What women want is basically Michelangelo's David or any sort of ancient Greek/Roman sculpture (outside the impossibly tiny man-part, of course) à la Brad Pitt, Sean O'Pry, David Gandy. Women are biologically more attracted to these types of men because they look masculine enough to be fertile and protective of her but not too masculine so he still looks warm and inviting and would be a good partner and parent to her children that doesn't leave her right away for the next sexy lady.
1. Timothée Chalamet looks young, not feminine.
2. It´s mostly guys and 35+ women simping over Sean O'Pry and David Gandy
@@stefan12215 Maybe boyish is a better word than feminine. I also want to quickly say that all the men i gave as examples are generally attractive, except for maybe the hyper-masculine guys i named and after so many surgeries, Michael Jackson did look kind of freakish at the end of his life. These men just don't belong to the balanced medium that the majority but not all women want most.
But women love Timothee
So women want a model without them being one 😂😂😂😂😂
@@avidfather1864women love Arnoldo in his younger days wtf are you talking about
Rating your own attractiveness totally depends on those around you. Just came back from LA and rating myself as a 3/10 while in Maryland I rate myself as a 6. LOL
Attraction stems from a variety of aspects to each individual coresponding with their self interests. It also goes along with their own identities and finding a match for that as well as getting their needs met. And to top it off PERSONALITY goes the furthest. It really boils down to our own self worth and what company we want with that.
Personality doesn't hit the g spot
@@رزيئة well we know now what personality you can relate with
Personality works in the long term, but looks often get your foot in the door.
Ofc attraction is a holistic approach and shouldn't just be seen as getting an object that you want-- but this channel simply happens to focus on one aspect, other channels focus on others
Another amazing video that increases my cynicism of the love and makes me realize we are still animals that still prioritize our survival. Well time to make my trek back into the mountains and to continue being a hermit.
Mood
We’re not animal’s . Maybe u are
My plan too bro
@@numanunal6699 monke
@Rocío Tons of furries nowadays.
I'm an attractive woman off hormonal birth control and I've never preferred masculine men. Many women around me made fun of me for preferring feminine/androgynous men but start going after the same men secretly
might not be as attractive as you think you are lol
@@xxxxxxxxxxxdfdszfgsz attractive enough I've had three men become stalkers because they believed we were "soul mates" and had women guard their boyfriends around me. Believe what you want though 👍
@@xxxxxxxxxxxdfdszfgsz 😭
@@xxxxxxxxxxxdfdszfgsz overconfidence immediately makes someone more unattractive; however, we do not know her in real life, and thus cannot judge her looks.
@@creatureoftheeast3331 Whatever you say
For some reason the hottest to me were always men with more feminine faces but very masculine behavior xD Also when i was younger i used to have a very specific type when now i have a way wider range of men i find attractive.
I'm a bisexual woman and I consider myself quite attractive. I have always found androgyny appealing in both men and women and my current boyfriend leans more toward the feminine side, with big almond eyes, plump lips and a softer jawline. He's also shorter than average (around my height) with a slight build. I wouldn't change anything about him.
That is so sweet 💖
you cant consider yourself attractive, youre probably just delusional
@@audrey9able Yeah! One of the most beautiful things I have seen online!
Boys, she's a keeper alright
Please never change
I have my type down to a science. Long hair, masculine forehead, masculine eyebrows, more feminine beautiful eyes, more feminine nose, masculine but soft lips, and a softer chin and jawline. (Aka exactly Alain Delon).
I really love men who have both femenine and masculine features. Alain Delon, Jude law, Jared Leto, Johnny depp.
Another thing is, I do always look forward to when a guy reaches late 20s/30s, because I do think they get better and better
I don't think you ever actually explained WHY the pill causes women to change preferences, you kind of just said its hormones and then went on to describe what masculine and feminine men are
He did recommend a book. I'm certain you'll find all your answers in "This is your brain on the pill" or whatever it's called.
it’s complicated because there are so many different types of birth control, and it can be prescribed for many different reasons… for example i was prescribed bc for acne and my friend takes it as birth control. It affects every woman differently
Aaron Taylor-Johnson in the movie Anna Karenina 2012 as Vronsky is one of the most handsome and attractive men I’ve ever seen, the mustache, the blond hair etc. that’s exactly the kind of men I would call attractive. I just don’t know if he would fall more on the masculine side or the feminine, but for me he fits somewhere in the middle.
Ok
Hey QOVES, Dream, one of the biggest TH-camrs just face revealed and the internet has polarizing opinions on him, from worshipping to bullying, I think it would be really interesting to see your objective analysis on his face.
Just want to know the women demographic? Was it just American women as a interviewed one
I may be an exception which is a high probability but I would say a lot of women will disagree , both the sample men are handsome but I like the more girly one ?
The men shown in the video dont even represent the studies.
@@suides4810 they are examples as a visual for the study
All of this is true. Hormones CHANGES anyone's minds, even in just these minute dimorphic details. Perhaps as someone who is chemically imbalanced and has PCOS, my preferences for extremely dimorphic features is in line when I'm ovulating and after a period.
The chemical imbalance theory has been proven to be bullshit
I’ve had PCOS since I was 12 or 13, and I have never been attracted to the pretty boy look, nor can I trust it. I’ve always been attracted to handsome masculine looking men.
i have pcos and have never been attracted to super masculine guys. my type is pretty boys
What is a PCOs?
@@lev1anus polycystic ovarian syndrome. Common issue for women that affects women's fertility, hormones and stuff
Cillian Murphy know for playing masculine role/character (pesky blinders) but still has softer, feminine features, eyes and mouth 🫠
Pesky blinders 🤣
@@GreedAndSelfishness bahahaha 🤣
Personal observations:
From 14-20, girls seemed like they prefered tall, skinny(perhaps with abs), blond guys with cuter/a bit feminine faces. I also remember when I was like 15-16 the girls would see any guy over 20 and would be like "he looks old".
From early 20s onwards, women switched to preferring tall, muscular men, with masculine faces, dark hair and beards. Sometimes with a tan and tattoos. Also, a lot of them started dating older guys, not 1-3 years older, but usually 5-10 years older. I guess it comes down to the fact that a lot of men can't grow a full beard till their late 20s, and getting a good physique takes ~4-5 years of consistent training and let's be honest here most teenagers don't start working out at 12. Money might also be a factor as well.
No wonder why I'm so damn miserable and lonely. I'm 19 and have been jacked since I was 17.. 😒
Not to mention that I was born with a shit hairline, yeah it's basically over for me
@uell nah bro it’s not over. Start working out and make this your routine for as long as possible. Trust me i have been there. Trust the process and remember this comment
@@Samo-tm3xr im already working out, for over 3 years that is
Everyone loves a pretty boy
until they feel like they are competing with one in the relationship, it can throw off the normal dynamic, if that pretty boy is trying to be the hot bitch In the relationship
Even lesbians!?
Pretty boys are divas
@@pinacolada1393so Ur saying it's ok for women to be insecure n be the best looking one but as soon as a guy does it it's wrong how bout everyone stops being insecure but the woman should be prettier n the guy should be handsomer n rugged a man n woman competiting is weird as
Can you do a video on facial harmony? I think its the reason many models are not conventionally attractive. They'll usually have prominent cheekbones, lean faces,etc but it will be out of harmony with the rest of their features
that dude in the thumbnail was staring down my soul lol
great video, cheers
lol I guess my attraction to "average" or slightly feminine men (I prefer average to slightly short men, extremely defined jawlines look cartoonish to me, etc) makes me average. So be it. But good looking men rarely have anything to offer besides their looks. So when their looks fade, they become insufferable. Average men are used to working for what they want and it makes them more interesting.
I feel like culture also plays into part with this because as someone who's asian our standards are a bit different. This study feels like it just caters to western standard whereas femininity in men is seen as attractive in most asian countries, this is also seen throughout history. Maybe the reason why we see alot of western women find feminine men more attractive nowadays is because of asian influence?
“Asian” is way too broad. Be more specific
@@MLGDuckk southeast asian and east asian to be specific, a lot of beauty standards from them tend to overlap.
Nah mate Asians don't like feminine men, it's just that there is no stress on muscle and physicality, instead more on finance, stability, health.
Actually there should be more stress on physicality and muscle, for enjoying life.
@@omegads3862 @Omega Ds I'm literally an asian woman living in asia. Your concept of asian woman preferring masculine are asians who grew up in the west and was a completely different culture. Even if you look at older and more "masculine" celebrities in asia, they're never to the point of western masculinity and most of them would still have a softer look to them. Even older women here prefer "feminine" looking men.
@@omegads3862 Korean and japanese beauty standards for men are very feminine compared to western beauty. The men shave their faces, have medium to long hair, and are small framed its also socially acceptable for men to where make up. Wow u are ignorant.
Men don't understand how greatly their appearance matters to us. I'd never even consider dating a guy I wasn't very attracted to.
We do, but as soon as we point out other women say "I don't care about looks I care about personality"
It's your gender that tries to sabotage us.
blackpilled
Until yall get 30 😂😂😂
@@issa2666 a 30 years old woman has more option than all the men in this comment section combined
@@issa2666 do you think when we hit 30, suddenly looks dont matter to us?
I love pretty men I always have. Much more than masculine looking men, they have both masculine and fem traits and it blends so well aaaaa (and I'm an attractive woman and never have been on BC)
Anime stylish type of guys is your type?
If you have to say it, you're definitely deluded and not attractive. People with anime avatars are almost always ugly or fat.
@@BigDPrettyBoyGigaFemaleSlayer the anime ones do have broader shoulders, smaller waist and leaner with muscle. I mean, that's masculine too
you sound like you have bpd
@@BigDPrettyBoyGigaFemaleSlayeranime men r masculine. They r just clean shaven lol
I like men that have masculine bodies and feminine and masculine facial features with maybe some small feminine features on the body as well. Do you think this could be because I'm bi (f)? This could be a REALLY interesting video about how bi/gay people trend towards liking certain masculine vs. Feminine features.
It's all about Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto no. 2
I am a lesbian and when I find guys that are attractive, they’re usually softer and feminine looking so yes, I think it might have something to do with your sexuality, especially if you’re more into girls.
@@handsomeX Yes that's a good one. I have a preference towards my preludes.
@@timotheechammywammy3214 Yeah, I'd be interested to hear the science behind it. If there is any...haha
I'm not bi but I prefer men as you describes
Your channel is fantastic, mate
Idky but I find feminine features on men to be much more attractive (to me, the curly long haired guy in the video looks like a work of art) and masculine ones to sometimes be very plain and unremarkable most often(in the case of the masc example used here I don’t find him attractive) yet I usually find myself not imagining potential relationships w guys who I find more beautiful and idk if it’s bc I’m intimidated to be in a relationship w someone I view as equally or more attractive than me, bc of wanting a partner whose strong & I could subconsciously imagine protecting me or if it’s just random lol; but I have seen men who are just as beautiful and very masculine (taller, deep voice, wide shoulders, muscle etc) sooo idk lol
Your comment is so interesting, I know what you mean because I have the same tastes, and I have felt a bit intimidated when dating someone who, to me, was extremely pretty. I have however no problem imagining myself with this type of guy, but I do like someone with delicate features but at the same time masculine characteristics as in tall, deep voice, strong personality. If he's too masculine looking there's no physical attraction on my part, and if his personality is not masculine then there's no emotional attraction if it makes sense
Yall weird
im very lucky and i look like that guy on the left but im also attracted to him sexually is that weird or what lol idk
Idk qove there’s just as many studies proving that birth control doesn’t affect a women’s cycle… I think the fact that women have a lower sex drive is the reason for why they end up with partners that they don’t find sexually attractive when they are on it… I think sexual dimorphism is only important to the extent that you are sexually mature and compliment the other person’s gender identity … evo psychology isn’t inherent people must remain adaptable … with all that being said… I hope you read this
women does not have lower sex drive than men its just expressed in different ways or they get turned on in different ways than men and many other nuances.
@@ar433new6 I should have clarified… a women’s sex drive is lower when she’s on birth control… so she is willing to stay with partners she does not find sexually attractive…
@@ar433new6 it's lower still, the mere fact that women msturbate less is enough.
What cycle are you referring to?
@@ar433new6 false
I have always liked (classic TDH)masculine guys with tall height, dark skin colour,muscles, beard and moustache having qualities like being strong able to protect family. I just feel naturally drawn to them for example south asian actors:- Shahrukh Khan, Wahaj Ali, Dhruv Vikram.
Yeah but except Srk, Dhruv Vikram ain't that tall
@@devyogesh_official I guess they're exceptions for me.
Shah Rukh Khan is a tiny dude. No offense
How old are you
I wondered for a while if your preference is based off what you have or what category you fit in. For example, a woman who is considered to be masculine by society seems to go for a more soft masculine look. Very feminine women going for a very masculine looking men (very tall, broad shoulders etc). This would go the same way if the coin was flipped.
, I’m a woman with very sharp features, borderline masculine and always go for softer looking men. Wonder why this happens
@@alexiakyriacou1397 some part of me wonders if the opposite opportunity seems more inviting?
Are those that go against the grain more open minded? Are the hunter and gathering concepts lost on those that are interested in opposite opportunities because that's part of the past and modern society doesn't need it?
(I think it's because the choices are more inviting)
Thank you for sharing your experience, glad to know I'm not alone in this thought.
I'm 20 and a very curvy feminine looking girl and I prefere masculine looking men, I feel like my brain thinks I'm too "grown" for softer looking men
@@alexiakyriacou1397 I was like that practically all my teenage life until I've kind of forced myseld into being more feminine. I just thought it's more practucal to be feminine compared to how I've been raised by my mom. Now after like 2 years when I changed my habits I'm attracted only to masculine men
@@maryy0012 yes, it’s also common for older women to prefer more masculine men as well. that may be due to more grown women embracing femininity more
What I take from this is that I'm hot as hell for liking masculine men thanks for coming to my TED talk
I also wonder if those women who prefer more masculine, does it have to do with feeling safe as well. I've heard from women who want masculine men say that was part of the reason but I know that probably isn't for all.
I have a masculine face (lot of people say that I look "scary" or like a boxer) and yes, most of the women that liked me said that I made them feel safe.
@@cyberpunkenjoyer3032 it’s funny because most boxer who are elite level known don’t even look like they can fight . Example canelo Alvarez and gennady golovkin look like nice dudes haha
@@ThroughDarknessComesLight Canelo has the face of a boxer tho, he has a masculine face, Golovkin yes he looks like a nerd lmao
What about gay and bisexual men? Do they prefer masculine men on average as well? I'm curious about how gender and sexual orientation plays into these things.
Good question
i feel like it depends on the person but good question!
As gay masculine man( I kinda have feminine lips and eye structure, strong jaw and good cheekbones), I do have a preference for pretty boys over more masculine less feminine looking men.
But this is probably from my experience, masculine attractive looking men r snobbish and hold themselves up high, while feminine looking pretty men r more nice .
I have reviewed some research on gay male preferences and gay men seem to have stronger preferences for highly dimorphic faces than women do. There is not a lot of research however.
@@alex.datepsych I had the same preference too till I kinda broadened my perception of beauty, I went from liking someone who looks like he'd dominate me, to liking someone who's pretty in any way and not be snobbish.
Ig the way gay ppl were raised has a huge influence on their perception of what's attractive to them, back in my fake femmeboy era I really thought that I have to be as submissive as possible to get a man.
Now I'm as dominant as possible and still get a man
Bruh, it's very easy, you have your own type as a human being, you might be attracted to certain traits (usually people who look like you or who give you a sense of home, so if you had a bad childhood...well you know why they stay with bad boys now.)
Anyway, usually loving somebody has nothing to do with their appearance, at least if you really do love them.
Edit: also, don't change yourself for someone else, just focus on being a kinder, nicer person, and that's it.
Love doesn’t exist. What humans call love is just simply lust.
I've always been rather masculine in appearance, early onset of puberty, slightly bigger than most guys my age, etc etc and this does connect the dots looking back.
In HS and college my friend circle consisting of guys like me who were considered "dumb jocks" somehow managed to pull the really beautiful girls. Girls that we would consider out of our leagues, and often think
"Wait, that actually worked?"
Sometimes it was really effortless, considering the fact that we literally behaved like grunting cavemen at times.
At the time we just thought we were hot sh1t but who knew there was this type of logic behind it lmao
If that's you in your profile picture you're handsome as hell man!
Haha, I was the opposite. I was a shy, skinny, nerdy kid who got bullied and picked on all through school, and obviously got no attention from girls. At 20, I said f*** this, I gotta do something. So I spent years hitting the gym, forcing myself into social situations, and learning how to be more charismatic and outgoing.
After nearly a decade I'd put on 50 pounds of muscle, finally achieving the Baywatch physique I'd always wanted, and went from shy and insecure to outgoing and charismatic. But despite all those years of blood, sweat and tears, I STILL get no interest from girls I approach. Life is f***ing ridiculous.
@@fuzzypanda1684next time try to do it shirtless
@@fuzzypanda1684jump on semen retention
Interesting. I would’ve expected the opposite. With the rise “e-boys” or “soft-boys” and just effeminate men in general, I would’ve suspected that more masculine looking men would be seen as less attractive (especially with the whole toxic masculinity thing being all the rage these days).
Masculinity will never be unattractive to women... They need that energy, they don't like admitting it themselves but they need that masculine energy
It seems age related. Younger girls/women prefer "soft-boys" older women - go for more masculine types.
I think a lot of it may have to do with perceived personality and character traits with the whole ‘men written by women’ trend and an overall emphasis on the female gaze. Like these more ‘effeminate’ looking men may be associated with positive character traits from a woman’s pov like a Harry styles type so it’s possible that some see the opposite of that, traditionally masculine looking men, to be less attractive cos they may harbour views/ possess traits that women see as not aligning with the ‘written by a woman narrative’ not that it’s necessarily the case or that women believe the stereotype to be true all the time, I think that look just fits with the trend so it’s sometimes seen as appealing depending on the context but especially online
@@dedasalmeida9047 I think you're confusing confidence for masculinity
@@alexforce9 That also seems to correlate with how humans age. Men do get more masculine over time, so it would make sense if women shift their preferences according to what their age group looks like.
Pretty boys/twinks have always been my absolute weakness 😩🤤 and this has nothing to do with age (some people in the comments are equating this type of look to younger males). For example I’m 28 and my partner is 38, but he still has that pretty boy/twink look even though he’s older!
He is tall and has money
im crying at a woman describing their man as a twink cause its usually gay men who use that term but i really get what you mean at the same time lmaooo. theres something about them
@@InsaneCopePossewhy so cynical? Stop! Not all women are like that.
@@InsaneCopePosse u r describing a masculine man. Tall and provider. She's talking about a feminine princessy twink lol
I have one side of my face more masculine and the other more flat and soft, so maybe I have both.
However, i think being masculine puts to much pressure in men sometimes, I don't want to feel that I have a duty in protecting and providing women, I want to be free and happy
I go for someone I think I could stand near and see a match with, our features in harmony with each other, like if they have an aquiline nose, I know I can balance that out with my nose shape. Or they have a good hairline that I know would give our potential children a better characteristic. It's the image, of us together hypothetically that attracts me most of the time.
That's interesting, I think on a subconscious level many people do it.
If it was true in general than people with every generation would become more beautiful
@@maryy0012 I misinterpreted the original comment as "looking for a partner with similar features to your own to pass on children", but apparently it was wrong. My bad
@@maryy0012 Obviously it isn't going to be true for the average joe buddy. In the hierarchy of choice they are last.
It actually is true to the high society, look at the spouses and children of every high value man(even when they are ugly, they have a wife and children who are beautiful, most of times)
bro what
Idk my personal attractiveness level but I'd say although I do like more feminine looking guys....like k-pop idols and all. I still would prefer to have a more masculine guy just because i always feel like a tomboy and i would want to feel more feminine around the one I am involved with. And also feel more protected lol.
I mean ya, even popular culture has a huge effect on women's preference. However, I do believe that after a age, it wears off and they start to realise what they truly want, you know, after working, seeing the world a bit and all.
Girls always objected to me removing my beard but found it alright enough when I did go clean shave cuz I do a bit of mewing. It's pretty weird cuz people don't know what they want at younger age(am quite young)...so the best suggestion would be to be strong and stay healthy ig
You like feminine guys but want masculine guys? Make it make sense 🤦🏻♂️
thank you for enlisting your sources!
Btw this is true for men too on a certain extent. One of my friends likes model type of women, very slim with small chest while I like women with huge butts and chests.
Huge but and chest- are you an anime enjoyer? 💀💀💀
One thing I couldn’t wrap my head round is how the male leads and heartthrobs of the past like Clark gable or Humphrey bogart or Sean connery were considered really handsome. When I think of handsome I tend to think of sharp jaw, defined cheekbones and hollow cheeks. The features of those old hollywood actors lacked any of those
Young Sean Connery had hunter eyes and good jawline tho
They look powerful, mature and masculine. I prefer them to pretty boys tbh.
Younger Sean was handsome. Search up first coloured film..its just he smoked and drank too much
Maybe the emotional connection from the movies?
Rudolph Valentino, Ivor Novello etc. had the more model-type look you consider handsome. Young Gregory Peck too - something a tad feminine in his face imo, probably the lips. Though today most film stars of either sex don't look like models any more than then. A lot of those actors were gay and played slightly off-beat or sinister characters. Bogart wasn't really cast in roles for a handsome guy, he usually played characters that were a little bit sleazy or something and he had the face for that (no offence to the legend). But if you think Cary Grant was not handsome, entire opinion invalid
Conclusion: It's complicated.
The pill and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
At this point it's contaminated the human gene pool.
Not really. Alot of unwanted babies were abondoned or killed at birth before the pill
@GymBum and hard times create strong ppl
@GymBum how do weak men create hard times? Why is it women's responsibility for men to be weak or stronge?
@@chelseashamim9148 1. Because society built and maintained by strong men?
2. By breeding with weak men and producing weak offspring?
I'm still more inclined with the notion that testosterone is immunoregulatory rather than immunosuppressive (or having harmful effects) thus the current idea of T ornamentation may be incomplete or flawed. A 2016 study states the immune effects of T for a wide range of immune factors and that "most [older] studies either focus on a few indicators of immunity, are confounded by phenotypic correlation, or are observational." Medical professionals know that a stronger immune response is as bad as a weakened one.
Other recent studies about severe covid infections state that men with low T are at very high risk 9f death while a study about stomach inflammation says that testosterone acts to regulate inflammatory response and may have a protective effect on stomach cancers. Inflammation is a risk factor for developing cancers and autoimmune diseases. This is the reason why women are more susceptible to autoimmune diseases and certain cancers. Also, men with lower T tend to have elevated estrogens which also coincide with aging and a slightly higher cancer prevalence in older men than both younger men and women in general. Fyi, estrogens are listed alongside asbestos and nuclear exposure for potent carcinogenicity.
I agree.
Makes sense. Testosterone has been linked to a ratio dependant response with cortisol (stress). This means, the higher the testosterone, the lower the cortisol. Inflammation is usually associated with stress as well. I can't stand how modern society disregards this and even negatively characterizes testosterone.
And why women live for so long usually? I don't get it. Most of widows are female by far.
A man with feminine features is more reliable.. I see him as more nurturing kind and reliable. Where as masculine men are more unfriendly looking to me. I think that's why I prefer a more feminine/masculine face. When it comes to body I do like broad shoulders and athletic look though.
Betabuxxx - Chadfuggs theory confirmed.
No, you prefer feminine men because you are weak and insecure so you sought after men who are also weak. Your profile picture explains to me everything.
I appreciate sticking to the masculine feminine dichotomy here. A lot of channels bend to accommodate the internet mob, and it’s refreshing to see that the science you present on QOVES isn’t yet totally captured by ideology
Same!!
Damn you guys are WEAK, so easily butthurt! especially the one that calls himself "gigadolf" lol
yeah, most women meet guys real life.
I think, if it is true that more attractive women prefer more masculine men, that an obvious reason could be largely about ego/insecurity. Like you said, a beautiful woman may feel more confident that a masculine won’t leave her, or at least that she could find another one. I’ve heard many women say things like “I couldn’t be with a man prettier than me” or “I don’t think I would date someone who was significantly more attractive than me.” (I personally can’t relate.) But I think they know that even on a day to day basis, she may feel insecure next to him.
But I think a POSSIBLE less obvious reason could be related to familiarity. I thought of this only when you mentioned that attractive women also preferred feminine traits in women. I remember you saying in one video something along the lines of ‘there are beautiful people in every race, and beautiful people are much like their own race.’ Because you were talking about the traits that tend to exist in beautiful people across the board. Could the slimness that exposes an attractive woman’s feminine traits and her good genetics be familiar to her? And could her male relatives also have attractive masculine traits that are familiar to her? And might the opposite be true for less attractive women?
My type is the preety boy, tall slim anime type Guy, not too feminine but not the bearded Buff viking type. More like Timothee Chalamet for ex. Im 24 and that has always been my type, pill or no pill
Sexy with sexy is the right combination.
I have my own Hypothesis. Being extremes on either end is good. Hyper neonatal (Boyband lead singer) are signs you will produce a good looking daughter. Hyper masculine(action movie lead actor) are signs you will produce a good looking son.
Standing out from the crowds is good in either direction. You will always have your group of fans.
Could you please rate Dream's face? He's litterally getting so much hate for being ugly but I don't think he is at all.
he's average at best and didn't they already make a video about him?
I'd have to say personally I really like feminine men. I like men regardless but there's something about a girly face on a man that I'm weak for. If he looks like a lesbian he's a keeper 👌🔥
Wtf he looks like a lesbian he’s a keeper ? Why don’t you just date a girl and say your lesbian
You sure you straight?
Dominace and Aggression aren't really associated as good in my mind. Even strength I worry if I'll be able to fight back.
Most of our ancestors were murderers and rapists, so these traits are successful in evolutionary adaptation which is all that matters
You won’t. An untrained man (i.e no gym or martial art training) has 156% higher upper body strenght than an average female. If you’re fighting a even vaugely athletic male you will get destroyed. And that’s not even factoring in the fact men overall are larger than females and thus can physically dominate them with greater ease.
Also meme ”womens self defence classes” are 99% bullshido taught by creeps/people only out for money. Learn a real martial art like muay thai or brazilian jiu-jitsu (or even MMA) instead. Or better yet get a gun if you can.
same, which is why I prefer prettier men. They just look less intimidating.
@@soo_uh_sidedish6225 but they couldn’t protect you
yes, this. i'm 5'2 and to be honest, tall men with masculine faces scare me a little. if they're muscular on top of that i will downright avoid them.
Pretty masculine guy, I always liked either very feminine or tomboyish girls, it might be scientifically possible to assume who I will like, but it's kind of random.
Need a study on "Dream's face reveal" now
I personally have never found feminine men that attractive (keep in mind i am a bisexual woman) and i always like feminine women.. i have never been on birth control. I am an animal for masculine men lolll
Short answer: yes.
I’d say older females prefer masculine looking men most of the time while the younger middle to high school females prefer the opposite
I think thats pretty true
Yeah, I think it's ideal for a man to have both masculine and feminine physical characteristics, almost all men have both sides although it's to various extents
its just what their generation put up as attractive, the line is blurred in this generation so thats why u see girls nowadays liking more feminine dude, back them ultra masculine was the standard so thats why the older gen liked that til today
I’m near 30 and never grew out of liking pretty men lol I honestly wish I did because I’d have more choice
@@antagonisf Lmao. Ultra masculine was the standard? WHEN? In the 1940s maybe. We had boy bands too in the 90s. Girls went crazy about them then just as they went crazy over Justin Bieber like 10 years ago. And just like they go crazy over pretty boy aesthetic now. When Titanic hit the theaters girls where crazy Over Leo DiCaprio.
Men who are a good mixture of both 🤝🏽
Disgusting
I can just SENSE the Qoves team scripting up a new video on Dream's face reveal.
I don't know where i stand, I'm tall, broad shoulders, muscular with a deep voice, but a femenine face and hair.
People always say i look 17-18 in the face but 25+ body 🤷🏻♂️
You kind of just answered your own question
Hmm, reminds me of Inosuke lol
Here in this vid we're talking only about physical beauty, but attractions includes many other things, so maybe consider them
how does one have feminine hair?
@@sfyn3496 soft and wavy. just think about every shampoo commercial ever.
I m in that place too although i m not that tall i m well built and hv smwhat of a husky deep voice, i m 25+ buy people often ask me if i m in high school n yeah girls attracted to me are high schoolers mostly
I wonder to what degree birth control is behind the huge divorce rate. Meet man. Marry man. Come off birth control. Realize he’s too feminine for your new preferences. Divorce.
They all will divorce either way, just sooner
No. The main reason it that people can get a divorce nowadays. The only thing that kept people together in earlier times was social pressure and the law.
The main reason why women are more likely to divorce is probably because they don’t profit from marriage the way men do. Statistically men who are married are healthier and happier than unmarried men but married women are less healthy and happy and die earlier than unmarried women. It’s because usually men create more work in the household, expect their wife’s to clean up after them, and tend to contribute less emotionally to the relationship. They also often don’t contribute enough to childcare.
@@katybee3891 no it's not because of that, marriage doesn't benefit women because today they have unlimited choice and they always feel like they can get a better deal. Men on the other hand have a huge stress over finding a partner (unless you are very handsome) so for us is better to be in a long term relationship where we don't have to stress over finding someone to procreate with. It has nothing to do with housework or stuff like that.
@@katybee3891 Women don’t profit from marriage? LOL. I guess you’re right. But they certainly profit from divorce 👌
@@cyberpunkenjoyer3032 yes it does. why do you think men that are married live longer and are happier and women that are married live shorter and are less happier?
Do attractive women like the same men that regular women like?
What do attractive women like ?
@@ThroughDarknessComesLight attractive men
Lots of attractive women get with unattractive men though...
I’m a little masculine in features so I think I go for whatever I’m “missing” in looks in order to aim for better looking children, which is maybe a slighter build in men..I have pretty wide shoulders so I don’t go for super wide shouldered men etc. I’m not slim and frail so I don’t need a thick burly man..this would make more thick burly, hairy lol children..it’s a matter of balancing the ratio. My family runs short n stocky so I go for tall n slim..but that’s just baseline looks, and society, personality and experiences all affect it too..
That's an interesting hypothesis for explaining mate choice. Basically a desire to have kids closer to the society's median. It makes sense that some people unconsciously do this.
@hello33 attraction is instinctive. Instinct exists for biological functionality. I don't want more kids (I already have 3) but my preferences for women still reflect the biological function of sex. I am attracted to women of reproductive age. I can love a woman who has run out of eggs but I can't desire her.
None of this refers to attration though. Women are attracted to 1 group of men but they settle for another group. So what women prefer has nothing to do with who they actually are attracted to.
This channel doesn't understand that. Women comprise all the time. Especially when it comes to looks.
Explain why women do that
Thank god the most sense ive seen so far
@@innw2303the alpha males aka violent men have good genes the beta male have good resources its essentially cuckolding
1 group of men? Really? And what is this group?
Ngl I'm almost 30 and still prefer men with feminine/androgynous traits, though I don't mind a clean moustach/goatee combo with longer hair à la Ye Soft Poet Lad. You know, that type lol
The feminine model has darker hair which is something often preferred by women (and it's paired with striking light eyes). A better comparison would be between him to someone like David Gandy who is masculine while possessing similar characteristics.
I find androgynous features so beautiful, I know it’s a bit off topic but I would love for you to analyze Atsushi Sakurai or Hyde , those two men’s beauty has always fascinated me. It’s quite unique I don’t really know why, but they have some sort of balance in masculine-feminine features
I agree I'd love to see a video about Atsushi Sakurai
Omg u like visual kei?
The thumbnail had me dying
I regret the conceit this may reveal, but to answer the above question, this one does.
I'm postmenopausal. Significantly improving my health and vitality has brought my libido back with a vengeance. I've gotten and still get, more than enough male attention for my looks. My first husband was good-looking, fit, and eye-level with me. We had a strong-enough relationship but I constantly fantasized about bigger, more masculine men. My late (second) spouse was tall, strong, furry as hell, and had a luscious deep voice. As much as I'd like male company again, I can't get excited about anyone with less than my late mate's size and other sexual characteristics (fur, voice, etc.) I tried to dismiss these preferences most of my life, trying to "settle for." I'm good in my own company and I'll stay on my own rather than settle again for anything less. It's not fair to the man, either. Everyone deserves 100% love and admiration.
As a stereotypically feminine looking man (facial features mostly, constantly get told I look young for my age), this is very disheartening 😂
Same
You should feel honored.
Imagine being told you look old for your age (story of my life) 🥲
Comments are so weird like;
Feminine women say they love feminine men; people say that they're fetishizing young men.
Masculine women say they love feminine men; people say that they're being a mother to their partners.
Feminine men say they love masculine women; people say that they're gay.
The only options people expect/accept/support is masculine men loving feminine women. People do not owe you any kind of background for their personal relationships and they don't have to be fetish based. Stop putting people into boxes just because you don't know any better.
Most girls like feminine men. Most women are gay. When i was 18 and weighed 125 pounds with long hair I got hit on by lesbians yet straight girls didn't like me. When i had short hair and a beard and weighed 200 i got a completely different type of girl. Now that im 160 i get average girls.
Brother if most women are gay why are most of 'em still dating men? You are yapping 🤦🏻♂️
I had a video request: most of your videos are about exploring what beauty is. I understand that achieving that ideal beauty is mostly either through genetics and proper habits from childhood or through expensive surgeries. However, attaining those as a teenager in a third world country is practically impossible. Therefore, I would request you to make a video that provides a 'cost-effective' detailed actionable plan and habits for us. A video that talks little about theory and more about what to do to make the most out of my situation. While I know that all of this isn't very effective compared to surgeries and habits from childhood, at least I'll have something to do.
anyone is attractive AS LONG AS YOU'RE GOOD LOOKING !!!!! PERIOD!!!!
Huh
Basically xddd
I guess he just "broke the bad" didn't he?
I feel like there’s more important things women are attracted to, most attractive masculine and feminine men have really similar features, Tall, nice jawline, sexy deepset upturn eyes, etc, those things make any guy hotter to any women statistically, him being more soft or sharp is like comparing a sexy women to a cute women they both will attract more men if they have basic attractive features
The hottest men I think, are the vikings-like guys. HOWEVER I have never dated one like that. Preferences is one thing, but at the end of the day, we date and choose emotions, personality, maturity, intelligence and other details.
But I see a “viking” and 🤤
haha right!!!
Why don't you... go for it then? xddd
@@neburarerreh4958It's not very common to find a Viking in 21st century
Same here
I’m an ugly woman and I like masculine men so as you can predict I’m forever alone 😅
Yes it's typical, ugly women love masculine looking men, in other words ugly men, hot women love hot men in general. The logic is simple, an ugly women will feel insecure being with a hot man, they don't want to be with a guy hotter than themselfs, unless you're very confident in yourself to date hot men. But being alone as a women is impossible, you have to pull apart from soceity to do that. You'll agree with this if I speak womanese. "Men are perverts" nearly any women is hot for men, just as long as she's feminim inside and out, just have long hair, and a skirt, (iconic silhouette of a female) and act feminim and you'll find love. A girl I used to date was deformed, she sort of looked like a man, but she wore makeup, had a wig and wore skirts this completly changed her look, but by doing this it boosted her ego becasue lots of men started to flirt with her, eventually she ended up cheating on me, and I'm like a lameduck still grinding without success.
Don't say that 😭
If you are a woman in your late teens/early 20s, trust me you will have a way easier time attracting masculine men of your same age range than you think.
Usually, masculine-looking late-teenage guys tend to have little to no chance with girls their age because they are not of the preferred prettyboy phenotype
@ I wish that was the case but I'm in my late 20s and attracted nobody so far hahaha
@maj3732 you know, I've only ever been complimented by older women rather than by girls my age, probably because I look older than I actually am,
so I know how you feel
Besides, I doubt you're as unattractive as you say you are, maybe I could prove you wrong haha
I'd say some factor depends on the value someone places in the aesthetics, not only of the other person but of the couple too, It is undeniable that two similar looking people make a better couple looks-wise than the old myth of the 'pair of opposites' (fat and lean, very malculine and very feminine, very young and very old, beautiful and ugly etc), of all my girl friends the ones who tend to go for more masculine looking men are usually the same ones that say they don't care much about looks, while my more art-leaning, beauty-driven friends tend to like feminine boys and/or women, wich happens to be my preference too, i can't say for sure but there seems to be something going on there, that the more beauty-driven people (perhaps the very feminine beauty canon for both men and women in art influences too) tend to prefer the most graceful, elegant and feminine and hence generating a preference for less masculine men and women, seems to be a common trend for this kind of people, i also read something aboutw women in positions of power or yearning for it going for younger boyish looking men that they percibe as more controllable, tho i don't think in those cases the decision is driven by how pretty the guy is