I think some one already chimed in years ago but just so everyone understands this is not an issue w/ the motor so don't over think it. It is the "loading belt" being too stretched and it just needs to be replaced (part VEB-1184). As a belt stretches, you lose torque which is why the tray can not lift the heavy LD disc all the way up to the clamper. If the player does not feel the clamper has properly secured the disc, it won't play it. Other signs of a bad belt include a squeal sound which is a dead giveaway for a slipping belt.
EdT1138 Classic Gaming Enthusiast Hmmm... in that case, maybe you need to grease the slider assembly that raises the transport. I know on my Denon unit it tends to have issues with retracting the clamper from the spindle motor because it has a heavier clamper magnet so regreasing after the belt change helped a lot.
Maybe, I haven't tried that. It has been working fine ever since, so I never bothered to open it back up. I might have to find some time in the future. Thanks for the suggestion.
Hey Ed, Awesome to see you got some time to put up a tutorial video on fixing the Pioneer LaserActive player. That is a really cool piece to play Sega Genesis and Sega on top of Laser Disc games. You are handy and this video proves it pal! This is a great fix, saving it from the junk yard. :)
You are a mechanical Jesus! You've saved that poor Laseractive from the shelves of what were sure to have been a Goodwill. Fix my other model 1 Sega CD with your Midas touch!
Omg Ed,this video is one of the best! So good to see you saved that laseractive player. I want one of these so bad. This is my holy grail...lol. Ive been trying to fimd one for what seems like ages. I happy for you! And nice repair skills there. :-)
I had looked for one for ages as well, and finally took a chance on one listed as "non-working" in order to get a good price. Even as a non-working unit, I think I still paid almost $150 with shipping, but it included the Genesis pak, so I know I could get more than my money back if I never got it working. I still need to do a cap replacement on the pak, but I'm really not looking forward to changing 40 caps crowded together into such a tiny space.
***** im not to good at doing repairs but i might try getting a non working one as well. I have seen plenty of them on ebay. Those units seem to always need capacitors. Again this was an excellent video!
Thanks Buddy for this fix. I've used it to repair a Pioneer CLD-2950 that was playing CDs but spitting out LDs. The 2 washer technique has fixed the LDs !! Cheers from London !
I’m going everywhere to look for help. Would you know what to look at if my discs are spinning Too Fast (CLD-A100 LaserActive to be clear)? CD and LDs don’t read/play. The player will recognize CD or LD and even recognize Side A or B but it just doesn’t actually play. CDs will spin at max and stop immediately upon trying to play it and auto ejects. System is completely recapped, all ICPs replaced. Video board gets +\-14v and +\-5V rails. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Sorry, I didn't get a notification for this comment. I'm not sure it can spin too fast to play, but I have had disks get up to speed and eject when they try to play. If you haven't already try replacing the belts with suitable replacements.
@@edt1138 No worries. If you saw how fast the discs were spinning, you'd see they were going way way too fast. lol. Like the 52x CD-ROM Drives from the days of old. I did get some help and we narrowed it down to a single resistor that controlled the speed. Swapped the resistor and everything is now playing perfectly.
Hi! I just found this video searching for any help with my Pioneer LD-1500. It will power on, and will open its tray just fine, but when the disc is in, just nothing happens. I dont hear any sounds from inside. I will try to loosen the pressure on the disc. If that does not work ill need so search for an oldschool hifi technician ^^
I'm sorry, but this is a workaround, not a proper repair. And this is not a very good idea because raising the upper clamper assembly's position means you've reduced the clamping force, which means that spinning LaserDisc isn't going to be held onto the spindle hub as securely as it's supposed to be. The problem with your player was a slipping loading belt, which is to be expected if the belt is the original, meaning that it's more than old enough to have lost its elasticity and would have been stretched out of shape by now. Pause on 9:44 and look at the belt and pulleys located just behind the rear of the disc tray; that's the loading belt. Replace the old loading belt with Pioneer part no. VEB1184. parts.pioneerelectronics.com/part.asp?productNum=VEB1184 And remove those washers from the upper clamper assembly once you do replace the belt. After the belt is replaced, those washers will not be needed and you will want to restore full clamping force to prevent the possibility of disc slippage on the spindle during use.
+Watcher3223 I understand exactly what you mean, and I unfortunately did not mention in this video that I had already tried replacing the belts with no success. I did however put it into the description of the video, and have corrected myself several times in the comments. Thank you very much for watching, and for attempting to help me and others with this issue.
***** What belt did you use? If the tension is too tight or too loose, the mechanism will never cycle properly. You have to use the proper type and the proper length.
+Watcher3223 It has been nearly two years, so I don't remember specifically where, but after doing a Google search I found a website selling replacements for this model. It seemed to be an appropriate size when compared to the original. When it didn't work I just assumed that I had a weak or dying motor. I bought the player cheap as a non-working unit, so I was thrilled to get it functioning at all.
Hello Watcher, I do have a Pioneer CLD M90 player, I have the same issue, I tried your link but couldnt find any match for the loading belt, seems you are familiar with these issues, would you know the part number of such piece? Thanks in advance!!!
Cucu Ca studiosoundelectronics.com/belts.htm#SBM The belt that should work is a square belt medium (SBM) with a circumference of 3 inches (3.0 I.C.). It's also cheaper than buying it from Pioneer. Meanwhile, buying a belt for the CLD-A100 from Studio Sound Electronics will also be cheaper than buying from Pioneer. The belt for this model should also be a square belt medium with a circumference of 4 inches. Unfortunately for Studio Sound Electronics, an order with a total below $5 will have a $1.50 small handling fee applied.
I'm sorry, but I have zero experience with the older players. I hear that can be a lot more troublesome, and that is saying something when you consider just how complicated Laserdisc players are in general.
Hallo, thank you for your video. I have a Sony MDP 650D Laserdisc Player with the same problem. The player doesn't spin the disc. I believe that my Sony doesn't have enough space for the rings. Do you have any other suggestions for what might be the best solution to this problem? Thank you
I have a Proscan PSLD40 that won't spin up at all, CD or LD, doesn't even try. It worked fine about a year ago. I can't even find much info on the unit. I'm about to tear it apart and see what I can do. But just curious if anyone has any ideas.
I'm not familiar with the model unfortunately. Honestly, most of the time I just tear stuff apart and either luck into a solution, or clean everything up and put it back together and it miraculously works.
I just repaired mine, but with a little different approach. Instead of adding washers i decided to cut a tiny bit of each spring which is placed under the white cup. It's really easy to get there. Works as a charm. Thanks anyway for the lead.
Hi, I have a problem with the CLD-100a and PAC-S1. The LD player can play CD/LD normally, but when combining with the PAC-S1, the menu should display 'Laser Active', 'Mega CD/Mega LD' logos. But it doesn't for my machine. Just 'Pioneer' above and sega on the bottom.
I have a Marantz player that did this, same noise and everything (and played CD's). When I opened it up it was disgusting on the inside. After a nice cleaning and taking apart of that top bracket everything started working but it occasionally needs a tap on the side to get it to work (you can hear it "click" into place after a tap on the sides). I'm 99% sure that the issue is that it had a TV sitting on top if it for many years that and bent the bracket and casing slightly, enough to cause an alignment issue. Could be wrong though.
+Leif Jensen The first thing I checked before resorting to this was the belt, but changing it didn't help me. It is the most common cause of many issues, and it would be worth your time to change it either way. Assuming that you haven't already done so.
Thanks so much. My son's Pioneer Laserdisc player had the same problem. He was able to get it working again using your washer technique. He changed it a bit . Two washers made a rubbing sound. But one washer worked perfectly. Thanks again.
Hi there Just saw your video and wanted to know if it's hard to replace the belt on this unit?I have the same system and when I load any cd/ld onto it, nothing happens. I opened it while loading a disc and see the laser move but theirs no movement/spinning. So I guess that's the issue I'm having with it and wanted to know if you have some info/tips about fixing this issue. Thanks
+Brian E P CH I did not have any more trouble with this unit than any others, but there is a fair amount that needs to be removed, so you may want to watch a few tutorials on that subject if you haven't attempted any electronics repairs before. Also, I recommend taking pictures during tear down to remind yourself how everything is installed. Good luck.
Thanks for the reply. Just make sure the belt is in right size, it should be 5cm long if you bend the belt into a line. Let me know if you need those belt, I have tons of them and free feel to take some.
Yeah, I didn't think to put that in the video. They still work fine though. I'll admit that I never even considered that the added distance from the laser might have an effect on how well CDS played. That would have been really irritating.
The root cause for this problem is the belt on the lower corner. It has nothing to do with the melt plate on the top. The belt issue also make the ld tray door unable to open unless you pull the tray by hand which showed in the video. I made a little repair FAQ for laseractive www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=9267.0
Thanks for watching. I have owned several laserdisc players, so one of the first things I did when I got the system was replace the belts, but both problems persisted. The door is getting caught in the corner. I'm not a member, so I was unable to view your guide, but I'll join when I get home tonight and check it out.
so many years of video, today this tip came in handy, thank you very much
Hope it works for you. Make sure to try a new belt first.
@@edt1138 already worked, put the washers , everything is fine
I think some one already chimed in years ago but just so everyone understands this is not an issue w/ the motor so don't over think it. It is the "loading belt" being too stretched and it just needs to be replaced (part VEB-1184). As a belt stretches, you lose torque which is why the tray can not lift the heavy LD disc all the way up to the clamper. If the player does not feel the clamper has properly secured the disc, it won't play it. Other signs of a bad belt include a squeal sound which is a dead giveaway for a slipping belt.
Yep, been chimed and answered. Replaced the belt and it didn't fix it, so I tried this and it worked.
EdT1138 Classic Gaming Enthusiast Hmmm... in that case, maybe you need to grease the slider assembly that raises the transport. I know on my Denon unit it tends to have issues with retracting the clamper from the spindle motor because it has a heavier clamper magnet so regreasing after the belt change helped a lot.
Maybe, I haven't tried that.
It has been working fine ever since, so I never bothered to open it back up. I might have to find some time in the future. Thanks for the suggestion.
Hey Ed, Awesome to see you got some time to put up a tutorial video on fixing the Pioneer LaserActive player. That is a really cool piece to play Sega Genesis and Sega on top of Laser Disc games. You are handy and this video proves it pal! This is a great fix, saving it from the junk yard. :)
Thanks Danny :)
You are a mechanical Jesus! You've saved that poor Laseractive from the shelves of what were sure to have been a Goodwill. Fix my other model 1 Sega CD with your Midas touch!
Mechajesus saves people with laservision.
Omg Ed,this video is one of the best! So good to see you saved that laseractive player. I want one of these so bad. This is my holy grail...lol. Ive been trying to fimd one for what seems like ages. I happy for you! And nice repair skills there. :-)
I had looked for one for ages as well, and finally took a chance on one listed as "non-working" in order to get a good price. Even as a non-working unit, I think I still paid almost $150 with shipping, but it included the Genesis pak, so I know I could get more than my money back if I never got it working.
I still need to do a cap replacement on the pak, but I'm really not looking forward to changing 40 caps crowded together into such a tiny space.
***** im not to good at doing repairs but i might try getting a non working one as well. I have seen plenty of them on ebay. Those units seem to always need capacitors. Again this was an excellent video!
Imtherealsaturnsonic Thanks, and good luck :)
Nice man! I think I have the same problem. I am going to try this too. Thanks for your kind help! Hugs from Brazil, Fortaleza, Ceara
Good luck.
@@edt1138 thanks, dude! I'm quite anxious to start doing it! I will show you if i happen to get it up!🙏🏻
Thanks Buddy for this fix. I've used it to repair a Pioneer CLD-2950 that was playing CDs but spitting out LDs. The 2 washer technique has fixed the LDs !! Cheers from London !
Glad it helped.
I’m going everywhere to look for help. Would you know what to look at if my discs are spinning Too Fast (CLD-A100 LaserActive to be clear)? CD and LDs don’t read/play. The player will recognize CD or LD and even recognize Side A or B but it just doesn’t actually play. CDs will spin at max and stop immediately upon trying to play it and auto ejects. System is completely recapped, all ICPs replaced. Video board gets +\-14v and +\-5V rails. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Sorry, I didn't get a notification for this comment. I'm not sure it can spin too fast to play, but I have had disks get up to speed and eject when they try to play. If you haven't already try replacing the belts with suitable replacements.
@@edt1138 No worries. If you saw how fast the discs were spinning, you'd see they were going way way too fast. lol. Like the 52x CD-ROM Drives from the days of old. I did get some help and we narrowed it down to a single resistor that controlled the speed. Swapped the resistor and everything is now playing perfectly.
Hi! I just found this video searching for any help with my Pioneer LD-1500. It will power on, and will open its tray just fine, but when the disc is in, just nothing happens. I dont hear any sounds from inside. I will try to loosen the pressure on the disc. If that does not work ill need so search for an oldschool hifi technician ^^
No noise at all?
I'm not familiar with that model, but I'd start by checking the drive belt. Most likely cause, and a cheap fix.
I was half expecting the disc to spin up that fast it would fly out
***** It certainly spins fast enough to do some damage.
That is the ultimate machine there buddy
It is now that it's working :)
I'm sorry, but this is a workaround, not a proper repair.
And this is not a very good idea because raising the upper clamper assembly's position means you've reduced the clamping force, which means that spinning LaserDisc isn't going to be held onto the spindle hub as securely as it's supposed to be.
The problem with your player was a slipping loading belt, which is to be expected if the belt is the original, meaning that it's more than old enough to have lost its elasticity and would have been stretched out of shape by now.
Pause on 9:44 and look at the belt and pulleys located just behind the rear of the disc tray; that's the loading belt.
Replace the old loading belt with Pioneer part no. VEB1184. parts.pioneerelectronics.com/part.asp?productNum=VEB1184
And remove those washers from the upper clamper assembly once you do replace the belt. After the belt is replaced, those washers will not be needed and you will want to restore full clamping force to prevent the possibility of disc slippage on the spindle during use.
+Watcher3223 I understand exactly what you mean, and I unfortunately did not mention in this video that I had already tried replacing the belts with no success. I did however put it into the description of the video, and have corrected myself several times in the comments.
Thank you very much for watching, and for attempting to help me and others with this issue.
*****
What belt did you use?
If the tension is too tight or too loose, the mechanism will never cycle properly.
You have to use the proper type and the proper length.
+Watcher3223 It has been nearly two years, so I don't remember specifically where, but after doing a Google search I found a website selling replacements for this model. It seemed to be an appropriate size when compared to the original. When it didn't work I just assumed that I had a weak or dying motor. I bought the player cheap as a non-working unit, so I was thrilled to get it functioning at all.
Hello Watcher, I do have a Pioneer CLD M90 player, I have the same issue, I tried your link but couldnt find any match for the loading belt, seems you are familiar with these issues, would you know the part number of such piece? Thanks in advance!!!
Cucu Ca studiosoundelectronics.com/belts.htm#SBM
The belt that should work is a square belt medium (SBM) with a circumference of 3 inches (3.0 I.C.). It's also cheaper than buying it from Pioneer.
Meanwhile, buying a belt for the CLD-A100 from Studio Sound Electronics will also be cheaper than buying from Pioneer. The belt for this model should also be a square belt medium with a circumference of 4 inches.
Unfortunately for Studio Sound Electronics, an order with a total below $5 will have a $1.50 small handling fee applied.
I'm currently working on a LD700 everything works but it doesn't spin. I'm not even sure where the motor is on this thing.. any ideas?
I'm sorry, but I have zero experience with the older players. I hear that can be a lot more troublesome, and that is saying something when you consider just how complicated Laserdisc players are in general.
Hi awesome video very helpful but Ive got kinda the opposite my cd are not being held up to the plate it drops back down as if it rejecting the disc
I don't know that I have ever had an issue with a CD working in one of my LD players before. Maybe the laser is having a hard time reading CDs?
Hallo, thank you for your video. I have a Sony MDP 650D Laserdisc Player with the same problem. The player doesn't spin the disc. I believe that my Sony doesn't have enough space for the rings. Do you have any other suggestions for what might be the best solution to this problem? Thank you
+Evgenij Shabalin I would try replacing the drive belt first.
+EdT1138 Thank you, this is the most logical first step to recovery!
What was causing the door to stick?
I'm honestly not sure what the specific cause was, but it has since stopped sticking.
champion! well done mate!
TootyUk I was happy with the results :)
nice one... but the disc seems to be a rotter :D
+OpticalHaze Yep, it is one I have replaced. That is why it was the sacrificial lamb for the video.
Loading belt slipping , that's the problem.
I have a Proscan PSLD40 that won't spin up at all, CD or LD, doesn't even try. It worked fine about a year ago. I can't even find much info on the unit. I'm about to tear it apart and see what I can do. But just curious if anyone has any ideas.
I'm not familiar with the model unfortunately. Honestly, most of the time I just tear stuff apart and either luck into a solution, or clean everything up and put it back together and it miraculously works.
I just repaired mine, but with a little different approach. Instead of adding washers i decided to cut a tiny bit of each spring which is placed under the white cup. It's really easy to get there. Works as a charm. Thanks anyway for the lead.
+Adam Bagnowski I just had some washers lying around, but springs would be ideal.
Hi, I have a problem with the CLD-100a and PAC-S1. The LD player can play CD/LD normally, but when combining with the PAC-S1, the menu should display 'Laser Active', 'Mega CD/Mega LD' logos. But it doesn't for my machine. Just 'Pioneer' above and sega on the bottom.
Sorry, not sure what the problem is.
I have a Marantz player that did this, same noise and everything (and played CD's). When I opened it up it was disgusting on the inside. After a nice cleaning and taking apart of that top bracket everything started working but it occasionally needs a tap on the side to get it to work (you can hear it "click" into place after a tap on the sides). I'm 99% sure that the issue is that it had a TV sitting on top if it for many years that and bent the bracket and casing slightly, enough to cause an alignment issue. Could be wrong though.
+Leif Jensen The first thing I checked before resorting to this was the belt, but changing it didn't help me. It is the most common cause of many issues, and it would be worth your time to change it either way. Assuming that you haven't already done so.
Thanks so much. My son's Pioneer Laserdisc player had the same problem. He was able to get it working again using your washer technique. He changed it a bit . Two washers made a rubbing sound. But one washer worked perfectly. Thanks again.
Glad it helped. If you haven't already looked into replacing the belt, do that too.
Hi there Just saw your video and wanted to know if it's hard to replace the belt on this unit?I have the same system and when I load any cd/ld onto it, nothing happens. I opened it while loading a disc and see the laser move but theirs no movement/spinning. So I guess that's the issue I'm having with it and wanted to know if you have some info/tips about fixing this issue. Thanks
+Brian E P CH I did not have any more trouble with this unit than any others, but there is a fair amount that needs to be removed, so you may want to watch a few tutorials on that subject if you haven't attempted any electronics repairs before. Also, I recommend taking pictures during tear down to remind yourself how everything is installed.
Good luck.
Hi! After 4 years, does your LD Player still works fine with the "washer solution"?
Yep, works fine.
Thanks for sharing! I'll try that on mine and I'll let you know!
Hope it helps.
@@edt1138 In ANY case, Ed, the fact that you are sharing your experience to help other people is commendable! "Belt replacement", or not! ;-)
Is that a star citizen pad you're working on?
Yep, one of two.
Toi mún mua
congrats my friend....I would love to own one
Andreas Riegler They're even expensive when they're broken, unless you get really lucky.
I was hoping you'd do a video for the LaserActive like this, always find these interesting.
I have been meaning to do it for a long time. Just took me a while to get around to it.
Thanks for the reply. Just make sure the belt is in right size, it should be 5cm long if you bend the belt into a line. Let me know if you need those belt, I have tons of them and free feel to take some.
Thanks for the advice :)
You should post a video of the repair.
Thanks man!
Hope it helps. Good luck.
Great job. Would have checked how the reduced pressure effected CDs though.
Yeah, I didn't think to put that in the video. They still work fine though.
I'll admit that I never even considered that the added distance from the laser might have an effect on how well CDS played. That would have been really irritating.
Awesome fix, very well done.
Good to see you again dude.
Thanks Tony. I had some time to kill that day.
What laser pickup lens does the Pioneer laseractive use?
Thanks :)
Oh my, I'd have to look it up.
That Sanyo Betamax VCR you've hooked up is friggin beautiful.
Thanks. That is actually the second one of that same model I have owned. Still displays a great picture
I love repair videos
Me too. They're my favorite type of video to watch on TH-cam. I just wish I was better at making them.
The root cause for this problem is the belt on the lower corner. It has nothing to do with the melt plate on the top. The belt issue also make the ld tray door unable to open unless you pull the tray by hand which showed in the video. I made a little repair FAQ for laseractive
www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=9267.0
Thanks for watching. I have owned several laserdisc players, so one of the first things I did when I got the system was replace the belts, but both problems persisted. The door is getting caught in the corner.
I'm not a member, so I was unable to view your guide, but I'll join when I get home tonight and check it out.