How to jump you MTB: Debunk “Stand up to the lip”
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- In this video we discuss the how and why of proper mtb jump for as well as the not so great what, the how and why. Thanks for the support !
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Your instructions are legit man. There's too much bad or incomplete instruction online. Thank you
Man, everything you described in this video is 100% me in doing it the wrong way.
You just made me realize HOW I've been doing it all wrong and describing that compression of my chest going into the bar. The only way I can clear a jump is with A LOT of speed! I've always seen the position of going back with really good jumpers but it scares the crap out of me thinking about that angle but your J hook is going to definitely help.
I watched that Stand Up to the Jump video and tried the technique. That resulted in failure. Using your technique resulted in immediate success. I appreciate that you included the part about what to do after getting airborne.
@@jimwing.2178 dude that’s epic!!! Your very welcome
Thanks for being the first to explain where the UPPER body needs to be at the lip. I have watched countless videos and took the Ninja and Rich Drew jumping clinics. I can jump a little, but I haven't been able to definitively determine where my upper body id supposed to be. Stand up to the jump was great, and Kyle and April were great instructors as well, but they have all left out that crucial upper body component. The stick figure was very helpful.
Sorry for the late reply. We are super glad we could help
Out of all the 'how to' jump videos I have watched, this has by far been the best. You have actually managed to break it down in a way that I can understand. Thank you!
@@AVGeMTB thanks for the support! We have more on the way.
I'm so glad I found your channel! I've been getting back into mtb as an adult and found myself unable to figure out why I was not clearing easy table tops despite yeeting myself up the lip faster than so many kids in the bike park who seem to just "float" up and over. So many things click mentally when I watch your videos, I can't wait to try it out next time I'm at the bike park!
Super glad your with us sorry for the late response
Man ,your tutorials are the best on TH-cam.
That standing up to the jump video never felt right to me.
Great content. Thank you 🙏
Thank you so much we are gonna continue bringing you great content.
I feel like this is stand up to the jump in greater detail. To be fair I couldn't jump at all until stand up to the jump. I'll watch this again and incorporate the finer detail esp chest position, but the stand up to the jump video was so simple that even I was able to do it. Some of these videos get so complicated that when I'm on the trail I can't remember it all.
I could be completely wrong but if when your talking about "stand up to the lip" as in loam rangers video he describes it very similar to you but less complex and less depth. He talks more about trying to push your weight into the takeoff of the jump which is what you would be doing the j-hop technique. I'm interested if I'm missing something here but watching this I felt as if I was watching that video but more in depth. Great content btw but its sometimes a little hard to follow, really looking forward to how you improve and develop as a teacher to help us improve :)
Exactly my thoughts
Agree. They are saying the same, but loan ranger simplified it by giving a more intuitive way of thinking about it, as a kind of cue. The stand up to the jump, is the same as the “explosion” in this video, while here they try to say the the loam ranger wants you to stand up when you are still counterbalancing the slope. But this video does a better job at explaining the body position before the explosion, definitely.
The counterbalance of weighting the rear of the bike is kinda what Loam Ranger missed to drive home. That essentially is pumping the lip. Which when broken down to physics, is how you maintain or even build speed going up a ramp because of the axis of rotation. Pumping bicycles is essential for jumping whereas motorcycles have the throttle that creates that.
Yes, the stand up to the jump trick is a short and easy thing you can think about coming up to the lip. Diluted, but the essential is there and less experienced riders don't have time to compute a 8 step process when the wall of dirt presents itself!
This video and a Barry Nobles video taught me how to jump and I’m 45, thank you so much for sharing
Glad we could help
Love this video. So much clicks into place after watching it.
I’m glad it helped. Keep shredding
Thanks i like your explanations, i know i rely too much on speed and not enough on technique. I was at Bike park Wales a few days ago and watching your pre-load video helped me clear everything on a jump line called A470.
Glad to help!
Just wanted to thank you for putting all these videos together. I binge watched all the jumping videos last night and this morning, went out to my local trails and boosted way higher and further over jumps than I ever have. Cleared the big jumps that I usually case. Going to take some time to get as good as you, but I understand what gives boost and lift now.
Glad you like them!
I watched thousand hours of jumps, got coached by professional coach, but never got a good description about all the "bricks" you need to have the full correct jump flow.
I started to understand every good and bad advices a few weeks ago just before discovering your channel, and then watching this I am "I understand it right ! Ok I can pursue my learning knowing what to do and what not to do". Amazing tutorial !
This is head and shoulder best explanations : a good teacher is teaching what to do but also what to not do, explaining why and why not and your video is a master class !
Thank you so much !
The only thing I understand a bit differently, is that I would not bring my hips forward/toward the stem in air but it's the fact I point my feet down/pushing the bike below/behind me in air the create the hinge/rotation that will make my hips to be closer to the stem.
Can't wait to ride again to practice more and more (almost fifty, I want to jump right when I'll be fifty)
Thanks man I’m so glad your enjoying them. Loads more to come. Thanks for the support
Really glad you’re putting out these videos. My gut feeling told me that whole “stand up to the jump” saying was nonsense. Went for a ride yesterday and applied most of what you described in your last video about body vs. shock preload. I feel 100% more confident working my way up in air time now. Thank you🤘🏽
@@fb.rich1 bro couldn’t be more pumped for you. We have a great online coaching program so if you wanna try it out let me know
The stand up to the jump trick (and song) is just an easy way to remember what to do when coming up to a lip and it works fine. New riders can't process a bunch of info and nuances, they will freeze and just dead sailor of the jump. When you boil it down, it works: approach the jump in attack position, resist the compression and push off the lip (stand up to the jump). Gets you 75% of the way there.
Yeah I understand, but if people want to progress they need to understand more than just getting them there… almost. And this also can lead to more injuries than progression sessions as people try to hit bigger jumps. Thanks for your thoughts, the TSA is here to get people 100% confidant. Not just meh
@@Theshredacademy Well, the Loam Ranger dude seems more than a meh level rider. I'll concede his video is missing the level out and land thing, but honestly it does the job for the hardest part. This video and a lot of the comments seem to take a dig at his video so I thought i'd contribute to level things out.
@@marcandrecoutu4798 I’m not her to say who is right and who is wrong….. my coaching is backed by years of professional racing and coaching that came along with it. 15+ years of purpose coaching. There are coaching methods that lead to instant success and there are those that lead to years of growth from one skill being applied to many points of riding. I do appreciate your thoughts. Cheers
100% agree! not just standing up man!
What’s funny about this is jumping, especially along a flowing up and down track, changes to “scrubbing” with an E-BIKE. Also “seat-bump” becomes a thing. Good luck with these
its hard to explain the whole thing and honestly most people explain it terribly trying to make it short. that was actually interesting to hear about all the steps and these made a lot of sense. Imma try to think about it on tomorrows jumps. I still do it a bit wrong even clearing it and my j-hop technique sucks. This explains that...
Note, I heard these being called the "english bunny hop" and the "american bunny hop" for a very long time personally
This tutorial is for someone who has been jumping and not getting the boost. It is making sense to me now. Just in time.
It finally makes sense😃
sorry, the j-hop for myself as a beginner jumper had no impact on how i Iearnt to clear table tops. I feel its too far an explosive manouver for beginner jumpers to use in its purist form. pushing my handlebars into the last 3rd of a jump to counteract forces gave me confidence to stand straight up off the lip, rather than potentially pulling bars j hop style unevenly off the lip.
You actually concede that standing up to the jump is what ur doing and i can happily say the 'loam Ranger' 'How to Jump with no fear ' instructional is by far the best and easily understood instructional for newbies.
im turning 55 this year and really dont want to crash .
@@giantnrsair1 good luck. Best wishes
Rewatch 'How to Jump with no fear'. Loam ranger repeatedly says to stand perpendicular to horizontal. Meanwhile, the visuals show that his legs are never perpendicular to horizontal. In fact, his legs are always about perpendicular to the takeoff ramp. That is confusing. I think that Dusty explains it way better starting @6:11. The way I see it, Loam Ranger and Theshredacademy are using about the same technique, but Loam Ranger doing it as Dusty describes, not doing it as Loam Ranger describes.
@@jimwing.2178 I believe he means you should try and stand up vertical versus the ground. Your legs will be angled naturally against the angled lip but your torso and head are perpendicular to the ground. Your handlebar will come close to your chest. Push off the lip and you're in a bunny hop position more or less. Then push the handle bars forward to level out or nose down into the landing (that part is missing). They are doing the same things, there isn't' a million ways to jump a bike off a dirt jump...
@@marcandrecoutu4798 Yeah, but there does seem to be a million ways to describe how to jump. Dusty's is the only one that makes sense to me. Yours is confusing because you reference the ground when you are describing action that takes place on a slope. Vertical to a slope doesn't make sense. Perpendicular to sloped ground is not vertical. Perpendicular to horizontal is vertical, regardless of the slope of the ground.
Loam Rangers graphic clearly shows his back outlined to being perpendicular to the ground not his legs@@jimwing.2178
Great explanation and demonstration.
Glad it was helpful!
pro rider and pro coach!! great video
there are similarities to bunny hop, jhop; there is 1 genuine difference though - you do not jump the rear wheel off the flat surface
i strongly recommend testing what I write out - I do not mean to be a couch pundit ;)
there is one not obvious similarity - to ski jumping - as a friend of mine noticed when watching bikers jumping at the pumptrack
there is a sweetspot of body explosion - it is the very edge of the lip - the closer to the edge you jump off, the more energy gets converted to getting airborne
you have to strart the movement earlier, but the reaction force of the ground should start close to the lip edge
common mistake is jumping off too early
you should not forget about the speed, and the speed at the edge is what counts - here lighter riders have an advantage because they loose less speed riding up the slope
Nice anders complete! Cheers ✌🏼
you've helped me a ton! thanks
@@givemedarock08 thanks man. Maybe consider taking a look at my Patreon to ensure we get to keep making this content. www.patreon.com/Theshredacademy
Excellent video. Keep em coming brother!
@@HD-on2eg locked and load my fried. Next week drops!!!
Thanks! Will do!
I'm not an expert, but the way you're teaching it, it's call boosting the jump.
@@oldmanmtb1443 “boosting” would be adding extra shock preload and exploding with more force. I have that coming soon stay tuned
Still stand up to the jump .
The plain just “stand up” thing is missing a lot of components to actually jumping.
i disagree and think the dude communicated in simple terms what a lot of good riders overcomplicated. For me, he explained the take off the best and diregarded the landing which was ok because Once airborne feeling the arc and what to do with it was second nature.
@@giantnrsair1Yes, stand up is simple, and it’s a start. It is a good video. But, to be a good jumper it’s just not that simple. If it was as easy as just standing up, everyone would be a pro jumper.
I tried standing up to the jump. I think it's a start but after recording myself, I end up lifting my rear wheel way before the top lip and then get no height. I need to try this J hop method
Thank you! Super helpful!
Great video! Where can people find you for teaching clinics?
Thanks, unfortunately I don’t have any clinics set up. But I am working on it
Thank you. Sub and very good explanation
@@actionong thanks man welcome aboard lots more to come
Thanks!
Hey man thanks so much!!! I’ve got a a shout out zooming your way in the next video. Cheers
Best video I've ever seen, you combine precise info with fun comments! just one question, ¿when do you start to pull back to center, once your front wheel starts to lift or when the back wheel lifts?
Sorry for the late response truly. You want to pull back up and over center again in the last half bike length of the lip
@@Theshredacademy thanks!!!!
Good stuff man. Keep it up.
How do you get maximum height on dirt jump/bmx type jumps, but on a full suspension MTB, where they are kinda steep, but the distance to the landing isn’t very far? Basically you need to go straight up, but not too far or you’ll completely overshoot the landing?
Solid video bro, keep em coming! 🤙🏼😎
Thanks! Will do!
What do you do if the lip is a lot steeper than in your video? I would be scared to loop out if I leaned back with my arms straight out like in your video.
One question. Do you get back on the rear of the bike by pushing with your hands (i.e. exywnding your hands) on the lip? Thank you for answering and keep on posting :-)
@@jernejrabzelj1200 hey bud. I’m getting back by leaning back. Never pushing on the bars. Does that help?
@@Theshredacademy , thank you for answering. It helps very much!!
I don’t know man. Seems like all you did was prove standing up to the jump in finer detail
Totaly different.
Pretty much. The idea is to get full extension as you progress up the transition. “Standing” just means extension, and the host acknowledges that around the 12 :00 mark.
I’ve definitely been caught by the pump to jump theory. I’m a hunched over bastard landing in the middle of the table top. I went out after this and consciously tried to bring my chest up a little , scares me somewhat, but immediately got more flight time. I might be on the way!
„Explode to the lip“ may be more accurate. Every time I jump all I think is „explode“ and keep your chest out.
With respect, if you see this as the same as standing up to the lip you missed the entire point of this lesson. The difference he points out is exactly what a rider needs to jump effectively.
6:20 J - Hop vs Jesus Hop 11:10, LOL!
I don't feel like Im getting pushed into the jump. I've never felt that. It's the opposite. I feel like my bike is getting away from me. Instead of nose dive, I get front wheel too high and looping out.
Sounds like your not transferring your weight back up and over top of the bike in the last bike length of the jump.
The getting back part always throws me off and I end up pulling too much with my hands, which can be disastrous as I've found out. :) What are the hands doing from the start to when the bike is fully off of the lip (pull? relaxed? if pull, how much?)?
that always sounds so easy but driving on the backwheel is not! going sidewarts is a common problem when trying this, also beeing so heigh up with the head is scary enough
it's standing up in relation to the angle of the jump... Hanging back is what that implies. it's all the same info lol
I mean there was a song written about it 🤣
Can i just clarify please when do you lever yourself back overthe top tube , if ive followed correctly you should be fully expected at the rear 1/3 of the bike until the rear wheel leaves the lip then use your arms to " bar hump" then wrist roll to level out? Many thanks
@@jameslock5909 good question. You lever your self back at the last second before go off the lip. If you wanna be exact I would start when you are about 1/2 your wheel base as you go off the jump
@@Theshredacademy thank you so much for the reply 🙏👍
your face at 9:29 is great lol
Bro I have a tat that says “gnar kill”!!! Wild
Personal couching?
Flat hop and J hop.
this vid needs more on screen ads for merch. in fact make the whole vid a merch ad and take instruction out of it. how about 15 minutes of "buy merch" in text on the screen?
We can make one just for you
It’s more like straight legging the jump.
step 1: buy a bmx
This info is incomplete. This is the correct way to jump when trying to air it out and get steezy. This is NOT how you jump when racing. When racing you don't want to go up, you want to go forward. You suggested this is improper. There are different required techniques depending on the situation. STAY GNARLY!
@@RookieStyles at no point did this video say. How to jump while racing. And as retired factory racer of over 10 years, you never jump forward, even while scrubbing, Keep on keeping on
As Shred said, there is literally not once single instance of him saying "...use this while racing..." . I, and most likely majority of the audience, understand this is a technique on "how to jump your bike" without the intent of anything related to racing. Majority of his videos are related to this and not nearly as specific as "race jumps".
@@Theshredacademy I wasn't speaking about scrubbing, but staying low and launching forward. I remember you criticizing this manner of jumping. As a fairly new rider, who can't scrub yet, squashing certain jumps works perfect. I wasn't trying to attack your info, just clarify it for noobs who aren't on your level, but aspire to be. I will definitely be using this info as I try to gain altitude, clear bigger jumps, and get over my fear of heights. But, for jumps that I overshoot, squashing is my only option. I can't scrub and I'm not braking if I don't have to.
@@downhilldad1807 lol why are you commenting only to repeat him?
@@Theshredacademy also, no you didn't say "how to jump while racing". Your title was simply "How to jump you MTB" and I felt you were limiting jumping to only this style. Peace!