I’ve owned both. I started with the Tiger Wall, but it is semi freestanding and I live and hike in the Sierra granite. The semi part drove me nuts, to the point that I swapped it for the copper spur that I’ve owned and used for some time now and LOVE it. The tiger wall did do well In rain, sleet, etc. I would have loved it if freestanding.
Just an excellent review !!. Lots of detail and honest pros and cons of each model. Really helped me a lot. Thanks for all the hard work on putting this together.
Thanks for the review. Replacing my old Quarter Dome 1. I went back and forth so many times about the pros & cons of the latest QD1, CS1 & the TW1. I finally settled on the CS1. They all are good tents so I guess ultimately I couldn’t go wrong with any of them.
Great review. These were my two final choices. I got the copper spur, because I like having it free standing with the foot corners opened up with the poles. I also like the little more room you have with it. As a more physically gifted human, I can handle the few extra ounces and welcome them extra burden on my back. I am interested to see how I'll pack it away in my Osprey Stratos 50 pack. I'll probably jam the poles down the side and lay the tent roll horizontal in my pack.
Thanks for a great review. Ive always wanted to see a comparison between the two but couldn’t find a video until now because i plan on buying the copper spur for upcoming trip.
Yes, but I use a recumbent tricycle with side pods down either side of the seat (ICE Sprint X Tour 26). They're pea pod shaped so quite easily fit the tent.
I have watched this video 3 times. I want the Tiger Wall due to the weight, but want the CS for the freestanding aspect. Your going to convince me to by both!
Wonderful video, I would say though it feels as though there is too much of an emphasis on the price saving. Sure it is nice to save an extra 50 bucks but you have to spend extra on the guy lines and the extra stakes. Your already spending something in the 500 dollar area and a 5-10% difference shouldn't be weighed too heavily especially when you are buying something so esential and getting something high quality is so important
The first intro part of this made me feel like I was watching a wildlife safari show and he was talking about big cats going at it in the wild. Especially with a name like Tiger Wall!These tent's have now been seen in the wild, what a breakthrough! haha Joke's aside, this is my first review from you I've seen, thanks for some good information.
I own the tigerwall ul2 and I totally agree with your assessment. I love the tent but the drawbacks you mentioned are real. I accidentally set up the tent one stormy night with the single pole into the wind and it just about folded over onto me. I found myself bracing the roof with my feet, lol lesson learned
I also own it and never had these issues mentioned in high wind/bad weather. I think it is a bit more complicated to set up correctly tho. As long as I make the 2 front tie down very tight the tent performs perfectly for me.
Great review, thank you! 😊 I wish I saw this before I purchased the Tiger Wall tent. The fabric is incredibly thin and almost see thru. I am concerned about rainy/stormy days and the tent’s durability but yes it is very light. I don’t mind the color.
Thanks! Glad it was helpful. Yes, it is thin and can handle a brief shower fine. Where it is hindered is in the long overnight rain. had mine wet out a few times. The copper spur will also eventually wet out but the tiger wall happens faster since it is thinner. One of the trade offs for going lighter, but overall great tent.
@@BackcountryRenegade more laying down room too. I think the Tiger wall is about 4” shorter. Doesn’t sound like much, but at 6’2” I about max the Copper Spur with a 78” pad.
In case anyone’s considering Tiger Wall UL2 it fits a 6’2 guy with wide shoulders without touching. You can sit upright in a two foot square without your head brushing. Actually more headroom than my coop passage 2.
Heya everyone . I’m trying to decide if I should get one of these for Glastonbury Festival to save some weight on my Outwell Earth 2. Do you think the exterior material and build in general is strong enough to cope with the occasional drunken festival goer tripping up on my guy ropes? Etc.
Great review, you helped to put it all into perpective. You said the polyester soaks through. That would make the tent heavy and wet for packing. Is there a fabric that will not absorb water?
Yes, and if your on a multi day hike it can make it for rough go if you are in a rainy area like me. Dyneema tents are the solution but they are expensive. I’ll have one compared with the copper spur up soon
I like the features, weight, etc. of the tiger wall, but don't like there color. Not everyone wants bright color tents. I'll be sticking with the Copper Spur in olive/green.
Tigerwall, 2 weeks of camping and hiking every ounce counts is correct when tracking 7-12 miles a day. I can make my own guidelines not that difficult. Plus the savings of 50 bucks, I agree Tigerwall is a clear winner.
I really don't like that Big Agnes flies doesn't go down to the ground. They end up being cold AF at night when the wind blows out the heat because of all the mesh inside.
was going to buy the Cooper spur until you said it will rain through after awhile.. Might go back to consodering the Fjällräven Abisko lite 2 person tent instead so thanks for pointing that out ✌
Anything made of sil nylon will wet through given enough rain, which most tents are made of. The thinner the material the faster it wets through. It was a heavy all night downpour, and I’m in the PNW, so needed something not sil nylon. The Abisko is made of TripleRip nylon, which is basically the same thing, just more durable. It will also wet out eventually given enough rain. It is something you either deal with or get a tent made of dyneema / Cuban fiber.
Why no ventilation? Probably wouldn't have added more than an oz or 2, and is just too much of a compromise, imo. I also like the roominess of the Copper Spur, especially since the Tiger Wall isn't very taut (the floor and the wall falling in) which makes the lack of space even more annoying. Jmho
I agree, those are some of the cons on the TW. It has a top vent on the door but no where near as effective as the CS in my opinion. Also the TW taughtness is determined by the ground you pitch it on since the guy lines are precut. Make your own and that helps. Also the lack of additional poles saves weight but the structure is not as great compared to the CS. So a few trade offs if you want to save some weight
@@BackcountryRenegade basically, it's like having a zpacks duplex or any other tent that isn't free standing. Great review, but in reality, the tents aren't that difficult to set up in uneven ground. Slightly less appealing, yes, but not that difficult
Great comparison between the two, really loved this video and glad I discovered your channel. In your opinion what would the benefits be of going for semi freestanding tent like the Tiger Wall or the Nemo Hornet you mentioned over something like a tarp tent which can be much lighter?
the main benefit is it is lighter. the less poles you have the less weight. but you need to have good ground to be able to peg down the corners. The down sides is les structure and support compared to the copper spur. But compared to the Tarp tent Lithium Li it is very similar, the main benefit is tigerwall will be cheaper because it uses sil nylon instead of dyneema
Good information. I know this is entirely personal, but there are places in the video where the music was too intrusive for my taste. I almost stopped watching due to the annoying music. Just my 2 cents.
Both seem to be great tents difficult choice to make. The material, the weight, the dimensions, the design…. Tough, it took time to pick one over the other. The deciding factor surprisingly came down to where each tent was made.
Not to get into any arguments here, but the whole size and weights section around the 4th minute of the video is wasted on 90% of the planet. So if you would like to get a bigger audience as a TH-cam reviewer, just add metric sizes and weights to the video in text so we can easily understand. Thank you.
I’ve owned both. I started with the Tiger Wall, but it is semi freestanding and I live and hike in the Sierra granite. The semi part drove me nuts, to the point that I swapped it for the copper spur that I’ve owned and used for some time now and LOVE it. The tiger wall did do well In rain, sleet, etc. I would have loved it if freestanding.
I groan at the extra weight but I'll take the Copper Spur for the longer length and higher head room.
Just an excellent review !!. Lots of detail and honest pros and cons of each model. Really helped me a lot. Thanks for all the hard work on putting this together.
I like your copper spur much more than the current 2021 model. Architecturally and especially the color. Thanks for the great comparison review.
My wife and I have been very happy with out Tiger Wall UL 3 so far
Thanks for the review. Replacing my old Quarter Dome 1. I went back and forth so many times about the pros & cons of the latest QD1, CS1 & the TW1. I finally settled on the CS1. They all are good tents so I guess ultimately I couldn’t go wrong with any of them.
Copper spur
Free standing and looks great!
Agreed
Great review. These were my two final choices. I got the copper spur, because I like having it free standing with the foot corners opened up with the poles. I also like the little more room you have with it. As a more physically gifted human, I can handle the few extra ounces and welcome them extra burden on my back. I am interested to see how I'll pack it away in my Osprey Stratos 50 pack. I'll probably jam the poles down the side and lay the tent roll horizontal in my pack.
Sounds good! Let me know what you think after a few trips out with it
Thanks for a great review. Ive always wanted to see a comparison between the two but couldn’t find a video until now because i plan on buying the copper spur for upcoming trip.
Your welcome. Glad it was helpful
I bought the CS UL2 for my cycle touring trips and the UL4 for backpacking with my family. The UL4 is massive. Love them both.
Awesome. Does the ul 2 fit good on your bike ?
Yes, but I use a recumbent tricycle with side pods down either side of the seat (ICE Sprint X Tour 26). They're pea pod shaped so quite easily fit the tent.
I have watched this video 3 times. I want the Tiger Wall due to the weight, but want the CS for the freestanding aspect. Your going to convince me to by both!
Wonderful video, I would say though it feels as though there is too much of an emphasis on the price saving. Sure it is nice to save an extra 50 bucks but you have to spend extra on the guy lines and the extra stakes. Your already spending something in the 500 dollar area and a 5-10% difference shouldn't be weighed too heavily especially when you are buying something so esential and getting something high quality is so important
good points. Thanks for sharing!
The first intro part of this made me feel like I was watching a wildlife safari show and he was talking about big cats going at it in the wild. Especially with a name like Tiger Wall!These tent's have now been seen in the wild, what a breakthrough! haha
Joke's aside, this is my first review from you I've seen, thanks for some good information.
I own the tigerwall ul2 and I totally agree with your assessment. I love the tent but the drawbacks you mentioned are real. I accidentally set up the tent one stormy night with the single pole into the wind and it just about folded over onto me. I found myself bracing the roof with my feet, lol lesson learned
I also own it and never had these issues mentioned in high wind/bad weather. I think it is a bit more complicated to set up correctly tho. As long as I make the 2 front tie down very tight the tent performs perfectly for me.
wow, Thanks for sharing!
yep id recommend making your own adjustable ones rather then the precut ones, makes it easier and more versatile.
Great and thorough review, this is very helpful in narrowing down my tent selection!
Glad it was helpful!
Ensuring the crossover pole is over rather than under the tri pole can aid in tighting the walls.
Owned both，stand for the TigerWall!
can you setup the fly first then the enter tent if its raining for the copper spur
yes, if its raining, you could technically set up the fly first, get under it then set up the rest of the tent
Nice walk-around tours of these tents - thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great review, thank you! 😊 I wish I saw this before I purchased the Tiger Wall tent. The fabric is incredibly thin and almost see thru. I am concerned about rainy/stormy days and the tent’s durability but yes it is very light. I don’t mind the color.
Thanks! Glad it was helpful. Yes, it is thin and can handle a brief shower fine. Where it is hindered is in the long overnight rain. had mine wet out a few times. The copper spur will also eventually wet out but the tiger wall happens faster since it is thinner. One of the trade offs for going lighter, but overall great tent.
Add to that the color because all mosquetos and insects will be invited to the tent.
@@hichamhrdhf8773 That's why they make Permethrin
@@jamicrawford6729 good idea,
So this cream we should rubb it through our body to protect us from insects?
@@hichamhrdhf8773 It's a spray. Spray your tent, your backpack, your clothing, etc, but don't spray it on you
Very detailed! Great review. Thank you!
your welcome, glad it was helpful
Thank you for this great video!
your welcome. thanks for watching
@@BackcountryRenegade I opted for the Copper Spur! I am very satisfied with it.
@@Alex-bt9uu nice, yes its a fantastic tent
The Copper Spur is a better choice for larger (over 6’ tall) folks. Personal experience.
Agreed, better head room for taller people
@@BackcountryRenegade more laying down room too. I think the Tiger wall is about 4” shorter. Doesn’t sound like much, but at 6’2” I about max the Copper Spur with a 78” pad.
@@kellycarlen9605 thanks for pointing that out
In case anyone’s considering Tiger Wall UL2 it fits a 6’2 guy with wide shoulders without touching. You can sit upright in a two foot square without your head brushing. Actually more headroom than my coop passage 2.
@@suspicioustumbleweed4760 thanks for the feedback
Good review. I have the Copper Spur UL-1. Been considering adding the UL-2 or the Tiger Wall. Decisions, decisions....
Hi, how is it going? Did you add a new tent to your collection? And is it enough space in the 1P version for solo hiking?
You should place a link to the products on the description and you make a comission
thanks, ill look into that
Heya everyone . I’m trying to decide if I should get one of these for Glastonbury Festival to save some weight on my Outwell Earth 2. Do you think the exterior material and build in general is strong enough to cope with the occasional drunken festival goer tripping up on my guy ropes? Etc.
What about the complaints of the fly zipper snagging. I saw it first hand on the CS
They both can do it if you go fast unzipping it. I felt the tiger wall was more prone to it then the CS
Great review, you helped to put it all into perpective. You said the polyester soaks through. That would make the tent heavy and wet for packing. Is there a fabric that will not absorb water?
Yes, and if your on a multi day hike it can make it for rough go if you are in a rainy area like me. Dyneema tents are the solution but they are expensive. I’ll have one compared with the copper spur up soon
@@BackcountryRenegade thanks! Looking forward to your next video.
I like the features, weight, etc. of the tiger wall, but don't like there color. Not everyone wants bright color tents. I'll be sticking with the Copper Spur in olive/green.
For sure I prefer the olive too
Nice video but turn down the music volume, couldn't hear you at times.
yep doing that now for all future vids
Tigerwall, 2 weeks of camping and hiking every ounce counts is correct when tracking 7-12 miles a day. I can make my own guidelines not that difficult. Plus the savings of 50 bucks, I agree Tigerwall is a clear winner.
excellent vid, thank you for the effort and sharing
thanks, glad it was helpful!
Great in-depth review! Looking at the CS UL 3P for 2 :.) Thanks
Glad it was helpful! 3p will be great room for 2 people
I really don't like that Big Agnes flies doesn't go down to the ground. They end up being cold AF at night when the wind blows out the heat because of all the mesh inside.
true, that is one of the cons, ive been using the double rainbow and have been happy with that. will be posting a review soon of it.
Fantastic Review.
thanks, many more tents to come.
was going to buy the Cooper spur until you said it will rain through after awhile.. Might go back to consodering the Fjällräven Abisko lite 2 person tent instead so thanks for pointing that out ✌
Anything made of sil nylon will wet through given enough rain, which most tents are made of. The thinner the material the faster it wets through. It was a heavy all night downpour, and I’m in the PNW, so needed something not sil nylon. The Abisko is made of TripleRip nylon, which is basically the same thing, just more durable. It will also wet out eventually given enough rain. It is something you either deal with or get a tent made of dyneema / Cuban fiber.
super super great review thank you! This was incredibly helpful to me. By the way, your video title says "Big Agnus" but it should be Agnes
Thanks, ill update the title.
2020. Version it’ not mono color right ?
for the coppor spur it comes in this olive or a orange. i prefer the olive.
Why no ventilation? Probably wouldn't have added more than an oz or 2, and is just too much of a compromise, imo. I also like the roominess of the Copper Spur, especially since the Tiger Wall isn't very taut (the floor and the wall falling in) which makes the lack of space even more annoying. Jmho
I agree, those are some of the cons on the TW. It has a top vent on the door but no where near as effective as the CS in my opinion. Also the TW taughtness is determined by the ground you pitch it on since the guy lines are precut. Make your own and that helps. Also the lack of additional poles saves weight but the structure is not as great compared to the CS. So a few trade offs if you want to save some weight
@@BackcountryRenegade basically, it's like having a zpacks duplex or any other tent that isn't free standing. Great review, but in reality, the tents aren't that difficult to set up in uneven ground. Slightly less appealing, yes, but not that difficult
They should make other colors for the Tiger wall
agreed!
Really wish the tiger wall was a different color
agreed!
Great review.
Glad you enjoyed it
At 5:06, they are guy lines, not “guide lines.” To “guy” is to tighten or make taut.
thanks
@@StackItUp they are precut on the tiger wall and only about 5 inches. I recommend to make your own adjustable ones if you go that route.
Great job
thanks for watching!
The right answer is neither. Go with the Mountain Hardwear Strato UL2 and have basically the room of the copper spur for the weight of the Tiger Wall.
thanks ill have to check that out
@@BackcountryRenegade Let me know when you do. Basically no one has done a review of it.
@@_68niou1 will do I’ll see if I can get my hands on one.
@@BackcountryRenegade Awesome. Available at REI seemingly.
The Strato is not free standing like the Copper Spur? Thanks for the recommendation. Cheers!
Great comparison between the two, really loved this video and glad I discovered your channel. In your opinion what would the benefits be of going for semi freestanding tent like the Tiger Wall or the Nemo Hornet you mentioned over something like a tarp tent which can be much lighter?
the main benefit is it is lighter. the less poles you have the less weight. but you need to have good ground to be able to peg down the corners. The down sides is les structure and support compared to the copper spur. But compared to the Tarp tent Lithium Li it is very similar, the main benefit is tigerwall will be cheaper because it uses sil nylon instead of dyneema
Great video. but BG is nice at beginning but caused irritation as it is over powering the narration which I want to hear.
Noted, thanks for the reply, ive made changes in newer vids
Good information. I know this is entirely personal, but there are places in the video where the music was too intrusive for my taste. I almost stopped watching due to the annoying music. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for the feedback. Already made changes in newer vids
You wanna sell your 2019 Copper Spur? Cant find any anywhere.
I already have a few months ago. Sorry
@@BackcountryRenegade 😭
@@gerryortiz7276 keep an eye on REI outlet or used gear. I see them pop up on that every now and then
@@BackcountryRenegade Great thanks.
@@gerryortiz7276 found it link its available as of now, and have it in my description,
Both seem to be great tents difficult choice to make. The material, the weight, the dimensions, the design…. Tough, it took time to pick one over the other.
The deciding factor surprisingly came down to where each tent was made.
Not to get into any arguments here, but the whole size and weights section around the 4th minute of the video is wasted on 90% of the planet. So if you would like to get a bigger audience as a TH-cam reviewer, just add metric sizes and weights to the video in text so we can easily understand. Thank you.
Thanks for the suggestion. I didnt consider how that could be helpful for those outside the US, but now I will.
They both lose.