DC Logic - How Is He Not Spitting Teeth? (No Super Powers but "Plot Armor")
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ม.ค. 2018
- This is not limited to DC Comics, it applies to Marvel and many others the same way. Certain heroes are technically not super powered, just "mundane" (although exceptional) humans, yet they sometimes take a beating as if they had secret super-toughness.
Personally I like the recent animated DC movies a lot, like Justice League: War, Flashpoint Paradox, and Batman: Under the Red Hood for instance. But even though (or because?) I enjoyed them part of me was a little bothered by scenes where characters without powers shrug off damage that should leave them severely injured and broken.
So in this video I ramble a little bit about such inconsistencies, simply for the sake of entertainment (nerdy over-analyzing FTW) and education (get ready to learn about bathtubs, of all things).
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I'm an EMT in Baltimore so lemme take a look at this.
… Jason would be dead a few times over.
That kick through the bathtub would have traumatized his kidneys and abdominal organs. He'd bleed out internally. The Lumbar spine would have probably broken in at least a couple places, ruptured disks, and some tearing of things what shouldn't tear. It'd be a mess, and he damn sure wouldn't stand up. Probably a moderate concussion and non-depressed skull fracture.
The head pinball to the wall behind then face-smashed into the tile should have caused mild concussion with possible fracture. Strong chance of loss of consciousness even for a fighter.
The sink should have caused fractures, concussion, looks like he hit his shoulder as well but that'd be likely minor trauma, should definitely be bleeding more than a little, and good chance of C-spine injury as well.
Toilet bowl to the orbital ridge should have been a complex fracture, depression of the frontal lobe, possible brain breed, very likely resulting in seizure. The eye might be a loss but might be ok. Eyes are weird like that. He'd be bleeding, unable to see in the right eye, and have difficulty with higher reasoning AT LEAST temporarily.
The wall punch would definitely fracture the rib cage, shock the heart and lungs. Pleural effusion and pericardial bleeding. Ribs won't work, arms should be basically limb-haning meat. Lungs are being compressed with blood or filling with it or both. Thoracic spine would also be badly hurt, and the C spine would take another blow. Muscles in the neck would probably be strained as the trunk of the body basically pulls it through the wall behind it, torqueing the neck down, chin against the chest. Probably seeing a lot of incidental bleeds, might be lucky and have none immediately life-threatening, due to the body dragging against the wood it's breaking through and the ceramic tile which, hoo boy, lemme tell you cuts like nobody's business.
Like, the first and last should have been fatal. The fourth would be a trip to the OR and ICU. Two and three would have been worthy of a trip to the ER lights and sirens or worse.
All together? Todd's dead and the medical examiner is having nightmares.
Thanks for the detailed analysis. That's what I'd call thoroughly wrecked...
I read all of this. It kinda made my penis hurt😩😂
"Todd's dead and the medical examiner is having nightmares." I know ME's, they do NOT traumatize easily...and you are correct
kittenclaws
I doubt you have to be an EMT to realize how absolutely dead he should be. I mean, the details, sure, but according to basic logic and a loose grasp of physics, if a kick lands with enough force to slam you through a bathtub and smack your head into a wall, you're dead or dying. I doubt anything beyond that would be less than beating a dead horse... or rather a dead (Nightwing?).
...
No? Was that a bad? Okay... I'll just go now...
TL:DR *Todd is going on Bestgore*
The quality nitpicking I subscribed for.
Oh great...Skall, how did you manage to get trapped in a wicker basket?
stephen ramkhelawon its called the wooliehole
stephen ramkhelawon he's gonna get sacrificed by pagans after the video
INSANE_BANANA
Lol my thoughts exactly
Hahaha
”Might as well do a video!”
My eyes roll every time that someone in a cartoon is thrown against a wall, floor or stone/clay/cement furniture and breaks it...
No, if anything is going to break is your body, not the stone.
Not only cartoon. But also in live action.
unless it has been stated that their bodies are superhuman in some level, yeah I get it
It's more forgivable in comic shows and movies considering enhanced durability is one of the most common secondary powers among popular superheroes
To be fair they might both break
Total agreement
to make matters infinitely worse, the bathtub jason crashes into appears to be solid all the way through instead of hollow like most bathtubs. yikes.
That's not really an inconsistency just exaggerated toughness. It may not be consistent with our world but it is consistent with the world that the hero are set. They have been established to have this durability and they stay through to it.
Cast iron, Robin.
Just realized that the bathroom Jason & Batman were fighting in had no doors whatsoever. Only the window they came in from.
Must be the reason they so kindly opened one up. :b
Humans are strong enough to punch a wall into a door!!
inthatuniverseseemslike
*Jason gets punched through the wall*
Batman: Now it does.
Maybe they were fighting at the Sochi olympics? lol
Old abandoned buildings in america are closed off in this way to prevent hobos from living in them ;)
I love Batman, but even I think DC has made him way too OP compared to just about everybody except Superman and Wonder Woman...I mean you compare Batman from Batman the animated series, and yes while he was capable, he wasn't invincible or infallible, now a days it seems just about every writer/tv show/movie has to make Batman the greatest at everything!
Tadicuslegion78 batman can be super overpowered, but he has to be for the dynamic to work. Bruce is a man amongst God's, that's his whole point in the scheme of the DC universe. Hes the one that ascended to his throne, the others were given there godhood or were born with it. It's not realistic, but it has to be that way for the dynamic.
Andrew Shields What a load of horseshit, Batman was given wealth and status.
*ONE PUUUUUUUUUUUUNCH!*
Andrew Shields yeeeah, on the last point, yeah, batman works hard. But isnt everyone there who born with a god nature
But money and status isn't godhood. Batman trained himself to get where he was. Did all of that help, yes, but it isn't the gadgets that make batman.
Take away supermans powers, he's a kid from kansas who never fought a fight he didn't win in one punch. Take away batman suit, he'll still kick your ass.
Clearly you don't know all super heroes fight with rubber weapons and all objects in the universe(s) are conveniently made out of dusty Styrofoam. You know this means all the fights in the comics are all staged and rehearsed. If you look carefully you'll see the artist drew a thin wire that pulls Batman back and into the Styrofoam rock. They cut the scene so batman can lay down on the ground and look like he's been hit hard. Totally faked. :D
i love this comment
Love for this to be a big reveal in a comic series
Holy hecc!
everything is staged i love it!
sounds like WWE
As far as Owlman, the reason he was super strong is because he was using powered armor. He was able to go against Wonder Woman with that armor. So Owlman with that gear is certainly highly super-human. As far as Batman, he's a DC "peak human" which would be a low level superhuman in real life.
DeusExAstra The problem with a super resistent armor, like Ironman is that The body inside the armor is still human. So, in that fight Batman was thrown at high speed and suddenlly hits a rock. His internal organs are flying at the same speed and stop at once. He is dead. Just as Ironman should be when he land with high speed in cool super hero pose.
@Corvo@AZ Victory.
@Rikhard von Katzen Yeah I mostly agree, a big power armor kind of thing would be so different than the ones in most fictions but I think some of those problem could be fixed and not be impossible in my opinion like for example hitting hard objects and surviving: That could be done if the armor is heavy enough to not stop immediately because higher the mass is higher the momentum, it won't stop easily and the amount of shock can be absorbed via suspension system inside the armor surrounding the cockpit, Of course you won't be able to stand against tank shells without any damage but I think you could stand in front of a tank and stop it or maybe even lift a little bit to turn it over if the exoskeleton system inside the armor is strong and durable enough. Fast moving and accelerating might look like be a problem but there are cars and planes that can go beyond the speed of sound but we don't need that kind of speed for an armor in the first place it will be so expensive to fuel these things it's better to carry them with helicopters to where they need to be and use them in the area that idk has to be exterminated(?) Acceleration problem is not a problem if you accelerate slowly while speeding up or slowing down and also that is not easy to accelerate that kind of heavy armor that fast anyway.
Rikhard von Katzen unless the suit would send out any heat build up pluse energy based shock absorbers then the heat pluse the force of the energy would no longer be a problem.
He's not talking about Batman wearing armor guys, it's Owlman. He's wearing a powered suit that buffs his strength, it's in reply to Skall wondering how Owlman can hit that hard.
As a medical student, 4th year, I can safely say that the "through a wall" punch would break Jason's sternum, probably separating it from the ribs, making him unable to breath as his chest would collapse during inspiration. I'm not even cosidering bone fragments going through the lungs and veins, filling his thorax with air and blood, tension pneumothorax and hemothorax alone are able to kill someone, both combined plus thorax instability? Batman just broke his no killing rule with that punch alone.
Thanks for confirming that. I had a feeling that the kind of force required to send him through the wall would crush him first.
A serious question. What about breaking that wall by hitting Jason's face? I mean, punch a torso through a wall, that is not how the physics work (even more silly in the Owlman fight), but a skull is dense enough to break planks and plaster, right?
Maro150983 if you consider a skull to be strong enough to break those planks, then it's only the Frontal bone, but that's only the bone, the brain inside will still be squashed by the impact.
Cool, so if I am getting you right, head will definitely make it through forehead first, in the situation as in film (eg pressed against the wall and hit), the skull would likely colapse, one way or the other, Jason is pretty much instakilled by the g-force generated.
@@demoncore5342 It makes me think of how mountain goats will go at it. They're relatively unaffected by their bouts for dominance because they got thicker necks, and their craniums are ridiculously dense.
The strongest armor is plot armor, so strong that you can't end them rightly, even with super powered magical pomel
I am the master of edge. Wielder of the thickest plot armor
My Blessed-by-the-Goddess Armour, can tank the hit!
Skallagrim, I actually did a quick and rough calculation for the energy necessary for Jason to smash that tub the way he did-albeit using a lot of assumptions, so it may be off. Additionally, for the sake of brevity I'll omit the calculations themselves, but I will at least say that I based them off of the shear strength of a cast iron bathtub's wall of a little less than 1 centimeter total thickness, which should be appropriate.
What I found was that the impact energy needed to fragment that tub should be around the order of nearly 5 megajoules. To give you an idea of how much energy that actually is, that's comparable to the impact energy produced by a 16,500 kilogram (>18 short tons) semi-tractor trailer slamming into something at 88 kilometers per hour (55 miles per hour).
Now, your first impulse might be "no, that can't be right, something like that would totally destroy the bathtub"... but consider how, when Jason slammed into the bathtub wall, it didn't just break a big piece off but actually _shattered into relatively small pieces._ That's a pretty violent impact, and is pretty much comparable to what a semi-tractor trailer moving at highway speeds would do to something like that on impact (at least, if it could fit in such a small space).
So not only should Jason's hip and lumbar basically be pulverized, but Batman's legs should basically react like he just tried to dropkick... well, a semi-tractor trailer on the highway.
JaftenLKA you fucking idiot. HE HAS ENHANCED DURABILITY. READ THE DAMN COMIC
Batman does?
Yeah most of the humans in DC world have higher abilities
Owlman uses an exo-suit.
yea in THOSE cases is more excusable bc its basically machinery compensating for him vs just him wearing armor
Okay, I get it. So, I just have 2 questions. Where do I pick up this "Plot Armor"? Also when will we see it tested in your videos? It looks amazing.
Madness1 it can repell Starkiller base
As soon as the radiation dies down...I think Indy left it in the fridge.
"I think Indy left it in the fridge." Shit, really? I think I saw that fridge in New Vegas, I need to go back and look for the armor! Or perhaps someone else already looted it? Ulysses perhaps? No wait, it might have been Yes Man...
> Where do I pick up this "Plot Armor"?
Sorry, dude, if you ask, you don't have it. As SNL put it in the first season, "I'm Chevy Chase! And you? You're just a statistic."
Pommel throw will destroy it.
The rule of cool is the most powerful thing in fiction.
It would be cooler if Jason had some blood on his face, though.
I can understand the punch trough the wall thing to change scene and all, but the tub shouldn't have broke, the guy should've had an issue on standing up, the nose shouldn't have survived and just broke off or smashed, surely a broken cheekbone and major cuts from the being thrown on the sink and toilet. Last but not least Batman should've taken a punch and then a double kick like how he entered the window to make the feat of going trough that wall the least bit plausible.
also would make it unsuitable for children
TheShadowOfMadness would be cooler is Jason put up more of a fight and gave Bats a challenge instead of totally getting his ass beat.
The cool rule and DC are mutually exclusive.
Shattered bathtub with pelvic bone,...that's a hell of a pickup line
I laughed till my eyes teared up! "Sure, a sink is not hard to break.. but with your face?" :D
On the point of Owlman being able to punch through a rock: His armor is an "exosuit", He was able to fight Wonder Woman because of this. Excellent points made! Edit: exosuit instead of exoskeleton.
Quantum Ashes ...
...
But...
Wonder woman can hold her own against mind controlled superman
But exoskeleton does not add muscle power :/
Sunny AY That's fanboy logic for you, makes no sense what so ever.
I don't really know what it is, but you can hear servos moving when he stands up holding WWs arms. (30 seconds in: th-cam.com/video/D3UzIrAasTk/w-d-xo.html )
Exoskeleton as in Robotic Armour, which would give him physical power...
3:28 To be fair Owl-man does have a built in exo suit that enhances his strength. We know that from the scene where he grabs both Wonder Womans fist and for a brief moment you hear the grinding of gears as he cracks her knuckles. Still so much of what you said really got me thinking.
Number Muncher where is there room for an existing skeleton in that wet suit?
Nano tech. Owlman has cheats for days. He's modified himself via serum enhancements (think DC Super Soldier Serum), has several different enhancements to his suit, etc etc. Any time you see owlman do something mind blowing just remember he's cheating.
kai magnus I wouldn't call that cheating so much as being pretty awesome, but they never mentioned a serum and the nano tech is pretty damn nano to the point that it becomes something they forgot to tell the artist to draw on the character.
Jacob Staten Owlman is a recurring villan so I imagine things have been mentioned in other places that weren't mentioned in these particular instances.
Number Muncher That just makes it more bullshit how Batman can survive a blow from him if he can really rival wonder woman in strength Batman should be a bloody puddle as soon as he was punched.
“I’m neither a medical professional nor a construction worker.” -Skall
I guess you could argue the Lazarus Pit might have played a role in Jason's toughness.
It did. He is unspecified to the degree but he is supposed to Stronger, Faster and more durable than he was. This s really never shown in context to any other Batfam character with any realm of consistency. In one comic he's strong enough to break out of Supergirls grip (twice). Albeit while hopped up on Venom, but Venom doesn't put someone natively into Kryptonion levels of strength. Lifting a Car does really stack up to punching planets apart for strength. So whatever is base strength was, with one dose was enough to get out of a Kryptonion's grip when they didn't want to let go.
@@bulbafett5001since we're going into comic book stuff here. The creator of this video mentioned internal logic. I did some googling a while back and then dude modern googling because data can change with new discoveries, and comparing the bone to steal might change depending on if a new steels created. Turns out it's still roughly comfortable when you compare human bone specifically the femur to steal. Google did not mention a specific steel and so this defaults to the entire category, which would mean 1095 as that's been out for a while. Yes I gave Google time to change the results, I don't want to spread misinformation. Now intralogic might say that these femurs which are roughly comprable to steal, they could train themselves so that all of their bones have that strength. In which case I could see his bones handling the tub because that's not made out of steel, and the wall since that comes from wood and whatever the Creator mentioned was used to hold it together-on top of the plaster. But steals literally the strongest alloy humanity has access to, and so with comic book over-simplification of favorable genetic traits. Native American bones according to my googling or 1.5 times stronger than average or something to that effect, which means the bones would be even stronger and internal logic dictates that through hard work they can beat the natural talent of genetics. And so, maybe the Lazarus pit just gave it the final push it needed to be 1.5 times stronger than 1095 steel. And Batman had world record holder strength when he was hopped up on venom-as well as his own, and mentally his brain stopped subconsciously holding back to preserve and muscles when he broke out of that superheroes grip. Keep in mind early version of venom made him able to lift one and a half tons in the comic where that happened, also he was going through withdraw and becoming sober in the batcave for like 1 month-just think about what happened to the crime during that time. He really came out with a full beard. Also that superhero might have simply been holding back, I forgot who you were talking about to my brain kind of just defaults to calling them that.also you might have caught them off-guard and considering he knows every single martial art, and he's a genius is an intense training routine that obviously accounts for his mind.
Why not just name the series "Plot Armor"?
I like to think that since magic exists in the DC universe, there are benevolent wizards providing plot armor to arbiters of justice without their knowledge.
Scramblex that would make sense
i actually think the are not 100% realistic human, they are like captain america, they bodies are a lot strong than a normal human because the hard training(i know... does not make sense but is better than nothing)
And to their villians? Are the wizards betting on the fights? Not very benevolent are they?
Scramblex ah, space wizards...
well we know for a fact that there are evil wizards, too.
Love the rambles and over-analyzing of the Superheroes, would definitely enjoy watching more.
This video is so hilariously accurate. I love it! Nothing like honest commentary from an awesome dude.
Plot armour is said tp be the strongest armour in esistance. Nothing short of throwing a pommel to end them rightly will break it
what if batman's batarang were made of melted down pommels?
That would explain why they seem to be so powerful.
The only way to weaken plot armour is making unlimited cringy sexualised fanfics.
This rant reminds me so much of what sister (who's a nurse) gets like after watching a movie. It's always entertaining to count how many times a character should have already died.
Thank you Skall. I really like this kind of rambling and do it myself. The massive breaks in reality are something what puts me off. Pls do more of this videos.
That eye socket to the toilet one is giving me dejavu like I feel like i've hear of people going to the ER from that happening IRL.
Batman’s super power is being batman
Batman's super power is being rich :v
it indeed is
And doing drugs... super serum. And lying about it. Batman cheats you know.
Money is the greatest superpower of all
Bantak Kor
Just ask Ellon Musk
I’m guessing you have the same gripe with the the Home Alone movies lol
Harry and Marv really need super toughness to survive all that. :)
Skallagrim particularly the bricks to Marv’s head in the second movie I mean I’m sorry that first one would kill you lol and Harry getting blow torched and putting his head in a toilet full of flammable liquid like no no!!
P Ciprian well when I said first I meant the first brick Kevin threw but yeah in the first movie yes the traps would be survivable but they would not just be getting up and frankly it’s like is it really worth it after that point I mean maybe try another neighborhood lol
P Ciprian
If the paint cans swung on a rope were in the first movie, they might have died. from that. I think there was buzzfeed video or something where doctors explain the injuries the 2 guys would have suffered.
Yes, I love your rumbling and sarcastic remarks and chuckling. This format is good
Definitely love the format. I like the comfortable setting while listening to your opinions and insights. I hope to see more videos like this. Thank you so much for being awesome!
As someone who used to work in construction, there is no way you could safely break through a wall with 2x4s like Jason does without being seriously injured. Those boards are usually installed with the edge facing outwards, so Jason would be breaking through 4 inches of solid timber if he broke through one, but in fact here it seems like he broke through 2! That's 8 inches of solid timber to go through. (could be an interesting test video to see how much energy it would take Skall, wink wonk) Anywho , great vid Skall! Keep em coming!
Not to mention studs in commercial places are made of steel
They could be severely compromised from water damage or termites ( or a similar insect)or both
Not to mention if i remember correctly building codes dictate studs must be placed either 16 to 24 inches apart which means you wouldn't break through that wall without hitting atleast 1 if not 2 of them.
Plot armour
alex nguyen ah I see you’re a man of culture as well
Yup. Batman totally does not do super serum. And if he did he can quit anytime he wants. Really. Batman does not have a problem with super serums. Totally. Because he does not take them. At all. Yup. Uh-hum. Absolutely.
I love this format, and i hope you keep it going
Batman is technically "just a human" but DC cheats a bit, because humans in DC Comics are far and away superior to humans from real life. Their olympic sprinters are faster, their weightlifters are stronger to an absurd degree, and Batman can throw street thugs through brick walls without doing permanent damage to them. A huge number of things that Batman does are "Peak human" in the world of DC comics, but are impossibly superhuman by real world standards. Combined with the armor that Batman wears, he can take huge amounts of damage, and just shake it off. It can create a strange dissonance when people actually think about the things being shown on screen or the panel and realizing "Hey that guy just flew 30 feet through the air, he should be dead". Marvel does this as well. While Captain America in the movies is stated to be superhuman, in the comics, they just claim that he's the pinnacle of what humans could achieve, but he's clearly superhuman, kicking around cars, lifting thousands of pounds and things like that.
TL:DR DC humans are way beyond the level that "normal" humans can achieve in our world
I liked the video. Keep up the good work Skall.
James Luna
Thank you! It seems that most people ignore the differences in "human" abilities between worlds. For example, Krillin is a "normal" human in the Dragon Ball Universe, but in that world it's possible for regular humans to destroy planets and stuff. In the Naruto Universe, "regular" humans can walk on water and throw fireballs. In D&D, "regular" humans can slay dragons and use magic.
This being considered, it makes sense for Batman to able to punch someone through a wall. In worlds where human limits are closer to ours, on the other hand, such as the Dark Knight Trilogy, Batman acts more like we would expect him to, where he can't jump 20 feet into the air, and he can't get punched through solid stone without serious damage. I think this is the case where a reviewer will understand our world effectively, but doesn't grasp the baseline for the world in question. Overall, I like Skall's attention to detail, but I think he misunderstands what "human" means in some fantasy contexts. I hope someday everyone might realize that in different worlds, humans are capable of different things. :)
PS: Plus, Owlman has a powered suit, and the "Bat Family" has pretty good armour, so that has to help somewhat. Also, I think that bathtub may have been just ceramic like the sink? It looked and sounded like ceramic to me.
Nothing wrong with that. It's DC universe, as long as it's consistent, it can have its own laws of physics. And that's what I believe in order to suspend my disbelief. Still, the things shown in this video still stretch it a bit too much.
Also Jason was tortured and has died before. In some versions joker would beat him close to death then bring him back in a span of 2 years. Then he died actually died. In the aftermath I would assume his body has become more durable and able to block out certain pain.
"TL:DR DC humans are way beyond the level that "normal" humans can achieve in our world"
Haven't watched DC much at all, but does this extend into things outside of fighting? If a thug (nothing special, probably just above average in build and strength) can be thrown through a brick wall without taking much damage does anyone in the DC universe die in a car crash? Like someone's parents or siblings? Does anyone die when a building collapses on them? Things like that...
@Rikhard von Katzen Well, I did say things shown in this video stretch things too much. I also prefer it when the break in believability doesn't go this far.
Something tells me the tooth fairy must really love Batman lol
Ezio Auditore Bruce's billions come from the tons of teeth he trades to the tooth fairy every year
PLOT ARMOR IS THE STRONGEST ARMOR!
Super serum and lying is Batman's plot armor.
Iron man should've been shot back at >100 m/s from being hit with a tank shell...
Great video man, very good and interesting points.
I LOVE THIS FORMAT! I often am disappointed that you do not have videos like this because I like your nerdy rambling. I am a martial arts geek big time! :D So, I would LOVE many more videos like this in the future. TH-cam should NOT demonetize them!
But, Skall ! Didn't you know that DC heroes have the most powerful set of gear in existence ?
THE LEGENDARY PLOT ARMOUR !!!
indeed, they dont die even if they die
I wish an rpg had plot armor as a set of gear. Most powerful one too.
I think a big part of this (mostly in the Jason vs Batman fight) is less the writers making the characters stronger than they should be, but actually underestimating how though and sturdy the materials around them are, like walls, the bathtub, stuff like that.
Probably a lack of research lending them to think that stuff is weak or fragile, probably from watching movies for reference.
Solitas Ruisu No
Yeah, maybe the writers have never been in a bathroom before.
Seriously if toilet seats were that fragile you'd have to buy a new one every time you dropped the lid down.
And if a "normal" human can smash trough tiles with his face without even getting a nosebleed, then the floor tiles would break every time a normal sized human walked over them.
We don't live in a world made of cardboard and thin glass. Furniture last for years and walls don't break when you lean on them.
Unless that scene is written by Buffy the Vampire Slayer, then I could buy your theory.
You can cut them a certain amount of slack for the fact that the building is obviously very old and has taken abuse over the years. The tub and sink may already have some cracks in them (the wall tiles obviously did already), which would make them MUCH easier to break already. Still Jason should not have been walking away from that fight and even things like showing the bleeding cuts and broken nose/eye socket from that fight would have made it much more believable.
I have several rental properties, mostly from the 40s to 60s, and can tell you that after several decades those materials are much less durable that when they were first built, but still take some serious effort to break up an old porcelain tub or completely put a large hole through an old plaster and wood slat style wall from first hand experience.
if they watch there own movies they will just think everything is fragile.
Even so, unless the building was damaged to the point where its basically just a bunch of puzzle pieces ready to fall off at the slightest push, a cracked tub is still something you cannot just break with your tailbone without any injury. If someone slaped you against a concrete wall hard enough to break it, you'd still get destroyed, even if the wall had a few cracks.
I love this format. Keep it up Skall!
Nice ramble. These are the kinds of nerd-out conversations that we have while watching these cartoons.
Thank you for this. I always found the ending of Under the Red Hood to be a little too unbelievable for members of the bat family to survive doing that to each other.
Realistic Batman : Batman takes the batcar, he goes super fast, has an accident, dies. The End.
Realistic batman would control bat drones armed with machineguns from his mansion. The most nonsensical thing about batman is the fact that he only have firearms on his vehicles, only to avoid graphic violence (and he never directly shoot people with those)
You mean he drives super fast, crashes, and then goes on an epic quest to try and fix his hands, ending up as a sorcerer in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Realistic Batman: realises hes rich, stays in his villa, sniffs coke and f*cks bitches till he dies. The End.
You are one CRAZY youtuber ma dude.
I really enjoy all of ya vids
Could this channel get any better? First swords and weapons, now superheroes too! All my favorite things. Huzzah! Awesone video Skall, as always. You should do some episodes critiquing superhero swords, like how Wonder woman never had a Greek styled sword until recently.
Ramble ramble skallagrim... We missed you, but rambling skallagrim and comics? I am super happy
At least he doesn't cough up 5 liters of blood per minute *cough* anime *cough*
Shock absorbing armor, some sort of bone reinforcing weave, but how would you protect internal organs or brain, they still move around and can be damaged.
As for the walls, they could have been water damaged or severely compromised in some way.....maybe Batman is calculating in his head where the weak points of the building are?
@Me King Tiger except these guys are defnitely not wearing EOD suits, they look to be wearing basically enhanced spandex. But none of that matters for Todd who had nothing at all covering his face. He'd be dead for sure.
Great video. Really enjoyed it.
Great video and your points all stand, but that bathtub is clearly concrete. Nothing else that tubs are made from would shatter in that way, or be that consistently thick through, or have radiating fracture lines traveling away from the broken out section. He would have been snapped in half. Thanks for your work skall!
porcelain might, if its thick. that bathtub looked pretty thick.
Even most sinks and toilets aren't solid. Skall showed an example of a broken sink later in the video where you can clearly see it's hollow. I'm not sure ceramic that thick would even harden properly. BadPeople might be right, still looks like concrete to me though.
by how that bathtub shatters it looks "stoneish"... as in ceramic more than iron
It also looks like it's massively thick, so that doesn't help. :)
Yeah, it looks like it's solid. If it were enamelled metal then it would be either very thin or hollow.
First off great video second off I like the basket like background maybe it's just me but I find it quite satisfying
LOVED IT! Very surprised you did something like this! NOW, if you can some how reenact these super punches to dummies and show the damage that could actually be done to them, would be even cooler!
I have worked construction.... I've demolished that kind of wall and it was already fallung appart...i needed heavy dutty power tools and even a jackhammer
This is simply an issue of "bad" choreography that's been endemic to western cape comics for as long as anyone remembers it.
I don't recall the classic "Batman Adventures" series being as bad as "Under the red hood."
In "Mask of the phantasm" for example, Bruce Wayne had to perpetrate a ruse by taking his cowl off and escaping while the police shot it to bits with their guns. He slinks away with clear bodily damage. Most likely a few broken ribs. He's got blood coming out of his mouth and he's lurching.
Batman is probably the best example of a "super hero" who's basis in some level of true to life reality, increases his appeal.
sorry in what way is this jewish
While that is a nice example from the 90's that hasn't been the case for years. I saw Batman take a hit from darkseid...lol okay.
Are you blaming bad choreography on the jews?
I see that our jewish overlords are now conspiring to make bad choreography in super hero cartoons!
How this fits into the zoinist dream of world domination i have no idea. But im not a happy merchant so i guess its beyond my comprehension.
Wonderful video! Love it!
Great analyses. This was certanly enjoyable to watch.
So a Kick to the balls would be the most devastating move ever.
Luxra, according to scientific research, a testicular blow is barely more painful (but far more deadly) than the pain of child birth. Also, if a man were being kicked in the balls for as long as his wife was going through child birth he would most likely die from shock.
Very hard to believe. Obviously woman survive that pain almost every time. I'm not saying your lying, just saying its hard to believe
No, a pummel to the nuts is.
ScrubCrusher69, this is not a scientific peer reviewd article but its a good enough start for researching the subject.
www.snopes.com/getting-hit-in-the-testicles-doesnt-measure-9000-del-units-of-pain/
I think that would be one of the first things Batman would develop armor for. Though it's not explicitly stated, wearing a "cup" of some kind, seems like a no-brainer when fighting crooks nocturnally for a living. Not to mention superhuman villains.
I think owlman's suit is mechanicaly enhanced but having batman survive his punches becomes even more ridiculous
Sol Cobra but it's no thicker than a wet suit.
First time watching a video of yours. Really like this concept keep it up.
I enjoyed this and would honestly like more. I especially appreciate your surprise knowledge about DC.
Batman and his characters all have cash armor haha
They do often make Batmans suit a plot device with different made-up tech to push his abilities further than normal. The Arkham video games take all sorts of liberties with this.
Pretty safe to assume that Red Hood and Nightwing and Robin would have similar made up tech attributed to their suits too. Doesnt explain away crushing someones exposed face into a solid wall of course.
Watching JL cartoons in general with a skeptical eye is a waste of time. They constantly change the effectiveness of their abilities to suit the plot. For example, they pretty much turn Martian Manhunter into a giant pussy who gets knocked around by every henchman you can name even though his powers are pushing the Superman limits.
Matt F the problem is that it's always thin as yoga pants and sneakers, yet had motors, armor, and an exoskeleton of power armor in it some how. At least in the new movies he could fit an exoskeleton under all those marshmallow pads.
I love these! Thanks Skall!
"Sudden super toughness", the literal definition of plot armor xDD
Great video and I would love to see more like this. From a martial artist's perspective, do you notice when shows or movies have a character who has been shown to be a competent fighter, but loses a fight to someone they have no right losing to (either because we know that their opponent cannot fight or we know how great a fighter they are) for plot convenience? Sometimes the opposite happens as well. For me that is the most immersion breaking type of plot armor (or the opposite of plot armor).
Amateurs get lucky sometimes.
But yeah, that usually bothers me as well.
Yeah, I enjoyed this quite a lot. You can definitely make more videos like this.
I enjoyed it very much, exactly the kind of content I missed. Very nice. :)
^^ enjoyed this video my man good work
That one bullet that always misses the head, the close call.
Now do anime fights
*takes cover*
Well, cowboy bebop or other "realistic" anime could be interesting
sagar chowdhary that last fight between Naruto and Sasuke. How did they survive?
Black Lagoon would be interesting to see an analysis on how realistic the gun fights were.
+Wasd Well, they did each lose an arm wish is more damage than they've ever received in ALL their fights and they were so close to death that they couldn't even move so they probably only survived with the help of high level healing.
Only Anime fight that I know of that is good, involves some things seen in HEMA
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Still not perfect but none the less refreshing
+DragonSlayer He's already talked about Maria the Virgin Witch. th-cam.com/video/_tFOJFyTl1U/w-d-xo.html
I for one would love to see more stuff like this. Including rambles. ^^
Great video. Keep doing that. It might be inspiring for authors.
To be fair, the bathtub is quite different. The one in the show is shown to be entirely solid. But, yeah, that would just make it harder to break.
Yep, that does make it even worse.
Out of curiosity, are you... recording from beneath a massive wicker basket?
Saxy Entertainment with Stan Sax yes
Funny you upload this because I worked demolition today, yesterday too. The house I'm tearing down the interior walls of isn't as old at that complex appears to be, but that surprisingly adds some insight. First of all there's plaster in these walls, and I can kick through it. It's not much tougher than drywall. However... there's also 2x4 beams every foot or so. And that's consistent for the houses I've been building as well. So it wouldn't matter if that's what these walls are made of, you'd still have the beams to contend with.
There is something worth noting that would work in the scene's favor however. This house was built twenty, thirty years ago tops? Nice place, well taken care of, almost felt bad for tearing the walls out... until I saw what was inside of them. Rusty nails with heads that shattered with the slightest tug, wood that was rotting and breaking when I was actively trying NOT to break it. And before this, I've seen a house from maybe the fifties with foundation that crumbled when you grab it. And people were living there, I was living there. Wood rot is no joke. Even with that earlier wall construction, I'm betting they wouldn't have had such a hard time if the building was unkept. And an abandoned, likely condemned complex like they were fighting in? It's entirely possible there's a very good reason no one was living there, let's just say that. I'm more surprised they didn't bring the next floor down on themselves. Lore wise, Gotham is an old city. No surprise it would have a place like that.
Now for a little bit of insight from my own martial arts background. I don't make a habit of breaking concrete slabs, but I'm very familiar with the more down to earth techniques these characters would be using, and I didn't stop with hand to hand. First of all I have zero doubt these two are wearing body armor, Batman especially. In the Chris Nolan movies, Batman wore fiber glass plating specifically. That's some serious armor, best we have right now. It literally shatters bullets. Any impact placed in protected areas has to go through that. And he's decked out in a full body suit. Jason however... I would imagine he got some of that for himself, and seems to be wearing it on his torso for sure. Unfortunately this isn't rule 34, so we have no way of knowing what's going on under those pants. Considering his background however, I'd imagine he rigged himself something under there too, we should just give him that one considering. However, his helmet is gone. In Jason's defense, it was taken from him. Not like he just decided not to wear it for shits and giggles.
In conclusion, the armor, in combination with the age of the building, would save him from most injuries. Remember the armor will have plenty of weight all it's own, so the kinetic energy of that could assist in some of the property damage. Likely some muscle tearing from the shock of some of the resulting yanking (the bathtub bit comes to mind). No way armor can stop that. After the bathroom section, he should definitely, at least have a broken face and a minor concussion. People have walked through some crazy shit so... maybe? With Batman getting a start like that, it would certainly explain why Jason seemed to have no hope of a comeback. It's also worth noting that's when he resorted to putting a gun to the Joker's head, certainly a plan C. So writing wise, they actually did well. Someone just didn't get the memo in the animation department I guess.
Just thought I'd add to the conversation. Everyone commenting so far, even the medical professionals, seem to think these guys are fighting naked in a brand new building. That's actually really concerning come to think of it... I'll add that to the list right under "coroners". Also, don't ask.
Skall... You just destroyed my childhood, I'll never watch a superhero cartoon with the same eyes again! xD
I've done construction work, your research on the matter was on point. The wall with that setup is REALLY bloody hard to demolish.
This format is awesome! Please add some phisycs. Like, let's assume batmans foe weight not less then 50 kg. He flew not less then 10 meters after punch, which means he received that much force...
Wich would just perfurate his chest xD. I found the first one with the stone the most ridiculous. If a punch was so powerful it could send you TROUGH rock and it hit your face... Don't mind the rock you're already splatered all over the place lol
I am rather well learned in medical and construction knowledge, so I can say with a great deal of certainty, that punch-through-the-wall is beyond impossible. Five of the biggest NFL players could juggernaut into that wall and it wouldn't budge. Meanwhile if you got hit with a fist-sized object hard enough to smash you through the wall... well you wouldn't go through the wall because the human body isn't strong enough to break it. The object would punch right through you and put a hole in the wall behind you.
That would make one badass fight scene if the goddamn censors didn't suck all the fun out of entertainment.
KALI MAH!!!!
Kragatar The person punching with said object would also kinda break most of his bones/ maybe even destroy organs.
I would love to see an analysis of how much force you'd need to push a Jason Todd sized object through one of those walls, and how solid the Jason Todd sized object would have to be to remain intact when hit with a fist-sized object with enough force to cause that to happen.
blivvy, send your request to Kyle Hill @ Because Science. His videos answer many things like this, and more!!
It's also forgetting Newton's 3rd law. Batman would be pushed back with equal force, sending him against the other wall!
That is also assuming he doesn't have good footing and can just freely glide across the ground with no friction, of course. But yes, with that amount of force he'd at least end up knocking himself over.
Very enjoyable, please do more right scene anlysis' like this in the future
I believe this has actually been addressed in the comics - DCU "normals" are more resistant to damage than those of our universe. I believe this is due to the higher level of ambient magic - essentially making everyone a low-level metahuman, relative to us real people. (Originally I believe this was used to justify both how Batman could be the kind of guy he is, as well as to justify how Batman DOESN'T kill mooks left and right, despite his cinematic fighting style.)
where exactly did you see that?
that actually would make alot more sense. like that universe "normal" people are like 1.5 times as tough and strong as reality and if they train they can bump it up. Would also explain how batman is strong enough to do the one arm lift and hold to a full grown human without effort bc even world class strong men couldnt do that as effortlessly
Ye right. And somehow all the civilians lost their "low level metahuman" powers and only the human heroes kept it.
@@zephyre2847 - not really. The issue is how "civilians" in the DCU can get the crap kicked out of them, and yet not die nearly as much as they would if it was reality.
ie - in the real world, a cinematic fight scene should kill off a lot more mooks than would seem.
I would argue the bathtub appears to be made of some sort of stone-like material, such as concrete or porcelain. Also if you compare it to the sink and toilet they appear to crumble the same way.
That tub sounded like cultured stone. I always cut the middle out of the tub with a grinder but I guess bashing it into a thousand pieces works too. Also, with old slat and plaster walls, I've bent nails trying to get through that stuff but once you get a hole, it crumbles apart easily..
Chris Gibson that might be a reason for why Jason survived going through that tub XD
Great analysis! And plays as basically being the opposite-but-related form of your typical movie "paper armor" where swords and daggers and arrows just go through actual armor, while unarmored people take way more damage than should be possible... If you really think about these things there should be no reason for anyone to wear armor in these universes if both these things are true, as they often are.
Do more of these? I enjoyed it. :)
i think the Red Hood part about the bathtub could all come down to the writers/artists not knowing that bathtubs aren't exclusively made of porcelain.
+Imetral Sure, but then he gets punched through a wall. At that point it's all just bullshit.
spitting teeth really? tod should be spitting blood vomit piss and shit at the same time :(
the amound of actual trauma would kill them, good video skall ^^ these things bother me whenever i watch batman, i still enjoy the animations tho.
Love the vid!
Great show. Next movie fight scenes and how they shrug off crippling damage.
Superman prime one million is resistant against kryptonite.
He pretty much a deus ex machina mary sue at this point
That's the thing he is that powerful at that point! The problem with movies is re-establishing the character's power level. Also those power levels shouldn't be at their max almost ever for some characters((example sun-eater,planet-mover, immune to all Superman or time-traveling (for fun), matter-fazing (for fun) Flash))
Zeliek
Still superman is disgustingly op at this point.
Do you know that point when your playing a game and you finished everything and can roflstomp anything by looking in its general direction.
It gets fvckin boring… there is no challenge anymore.
they just explode at instant at 2 pixel radius near you
He can work even at that power level as long as the story works for that. It can transform to a "one-punch" type or a philosophical story. It could be the straggle he must overcome no matter his power level like becoming a tyrant or a godlike being or even caring about humans anymore! Still my personal favorite is superboy powerlevel stories were he is at that low low level of not even flying where you can have some great brute fights. Where he is moving punching bag/delay for his team till a smarter character does "the thing" and have a win through teamwork and smarts and a last punch from the "brute"!
That is why i prefer The Punisher over batman.
LarryBonson punisher ave a healing power call plot and remake of the n.1 comic.
kingchup specialist arrogant Punisher tend try to avoid as much damage, he just has a high pain tolerance like some people actually do. Go read when Thor came after him Castle was trying to avoid a conforntation.
I thought it was because the Punisher actually deals with the problem instead of having a revolving door.
For the record: love your analysis of this fight scene and love to see more like it. Can't wait until you gradually work your way up to anime. If you haven't already, at least check out "The Blood Spray of Ichikawa Goemon" just for your own enjoyment.
this channels too much underrated
For the copyright mess, on riskier videos if you can get a sponsor or something, it might be worth borrowing a page from Jim Sterling's book and just copyright deadlocking the thing.
This actually bothered me for a while
At least Captain America is at "the peak of human development and perfection" which is basically a low level superhuman and Daredevil has 100% control over his nervous system and body which allows him to operate at nearly superhuman levels...but Batman and the batfamily don't have such powers, or any powers at all which make them completely absurd, prowess wise, and take some of their relatability away
Batman does have a superpower: its called Rampant Writer Bias.
It actually makes him one of the most formidable players on the scene.
Wavemaninawe can't argue with that, unfortunately
Batman is supposed to be at the "peak" as well albeit not enhanced with a serum. But Batman's abilities were not just supposed to be physical, but mental as well. Batman used to be unstoppable..not unbeatable. Meaning he would get his ass kicked..but never in the same way twice. Example: When Batman fought the Predator....the Predator kicked his ass...hard. Batman had to call the Batmobile to run the fucker over so he could get away. While he was recovering he analyzed his fight with the Predator as well as other evidence and built armor to counter the Predators ability. Came back and won. We used to get to see his prep for an enemy. Now he just all of a sudden would have something to counter any enemy..even one he's never seen.
LaughingOwlKiller The Super Soldier Serum gives Steve powers and abilities that have to be at least at the early levels of superhuman condition. Running 60 mph? Benchpressing over 1000 pounds as warm up? Not ageing at all? That's beyond human.
Batman does have work arounds, which made his character interesting!
The batsuit enhanced his durability and the gadgets were used to have the edge in battle, for example
Stories like the Predator one are some of the best because it shows Batman's greatest power: his will and mind
It's when he starts beating up others similar to him like rag dolls that things go too far...
MCU Cap is for sure superhuman and so is Ultimate Captain America.
However, 616 Cap is not technically superhuman, but has feats that would indicate superhuman prowess, as in, he´s way better than any Olympic athlete in any category. As far as I´m concerned, 616 Cap is a low superhuman.
Batman is at the highest degree of human perfection that a human could one day be by simply training.
i like these rambles