I carried a Sebenza for 14 years. It was the year 2000 engraved edition with Redwood burl inlay. I loved that knife. I lost it digging my truck out of the snow in a blizzard (not with the knife, of course). I was heart broken. I went to great lengths to try and recover it, but never did. That was years ago and nothing has replaced it in my heart, nor my pocket. At the time, it was a ridiculous expenditure, but if you average it out over how long I carried it, and how much longer I would have had I not lost it, it seems reasonable. By the way it’s the only knife I’ve ever lost. I like to think that someone who wouldn’t otherwise have been able to afford it is enjoying it as much as I did.
I went to the Chris Reeve store in 2018. Tim Reeve sold me an Inkosi. He told me the Inkosi is the better choice. I cherish that knife. Tim then gave me a full tour of their factory and personally introduced me to his staff. He was so cool and I'll never forget that day. His mom is super nice as well.
I like the Inkosi better too, but some people don’t fit the finger grooves, and now the Sebenza 31 has large one-piece “annual” style inlays and the Inkosi ceramic ball lockup, so it’s looking better now.
I own a classic Sebenza as well as a ZT and Spyderco Police. I carry them all. I will tell you though my Sebenza is most often in my pocket. It is nearly 25 years old still rock solid I use it for work with no problems or qualms about it. Chris Reeve Knives has the best customer service as far as I am concerned. I called them after owning the knife for nearly 15 years needing new screws. The lady I spoke to simply asked my name and address and when I asked if she needed my CC info she said no. The hardware was at my house in a matter of days. No questions asked no proof of purchase. I will always be a Sebenza carrier, it will be willed to my nephew to continue to carry.
I love to over-analyze everything under the sun, and that includes knives. When a knife enthusiast is looking to buy (yet another) new knife, he or she is really looking for three different kinds of products in one: a tool, a toy, and a piece of jewelry. Some people emphasize the tool aspect above everything else. They’d be happy as a clam with any robust budget model. Some people are interested mainly in the knife as a toy- how well it flips opened and closed, or any tricks they can perform with it. Some prioritize the jewelry aspect- fit and finish, premium materials, customization, etc. A Sebenza really can best be understood as something that was intended by the maker to be a robust tool, but is viewed almost exclusively by the market as a piece of jewelry. That viewpoint is exacerbated by the fact that you can void your warranty so easily just by flicking it open forcefully. Sebenzas sit in an ironic paradox of being nearly indestructible, yet no one wants to use them aggressively for fear of damaging them. But I can’t simply throw disparaging words on people with expensive tastes. There are analogies in every aspect of life. A homeless person manages to scrape together enough discarded food or pocket change to avoid starvation just one more day. A wealthy person spends hundreds of dollars on a single gourmet meal. The wealthy person creates ample resources for himself (money, amongst other things), so he doesn’t have to opt for the barest necessities possible. Is it wrong or evil to enjoy an expensive meal? Not necessarily. Someone who can’t afford expensive meals would say without hesitation that it’s evil, yet I guarantee you that if that person won the lottery one of the first things they’d do is celebrate with an expensive meal. All of that said, I do have to laugh at the idea that my slip joint Case knife has probably seen more hard use than a room-ful of Sebenzas. 🤷♂️
Good thoughts. In a free country, the wealthy guy provided jobs for those involved in his splendid meal. Rumor has it, the dishwasher run out after work to buy a Honey Badger, the prep lady a colorful Spyderco and the chef went online to order a Sebenza 31.
It probably has and that's a shame. They really are great tools designed for many years of use. I saved and bought a 21 when I heard they were changing the original design. Just had to see for myself. Figured I could always sell it or keep it as the jewel of my small knife collection if it was too nice to use. The 31 was long available by the time I had scraped enough together to get one of the last few available at a retailer. I don't regret it one bit and once I scratched it up I've never looked back. I just don't use my knife as a field expedient screwdriver anymore.🤣
Reminds me of the wrist watch industry. Tho, it's even a bigger rabbit hole when you start to learn about it... much bigger and almost totally insane. The best watches are the cheapest ones. And as the price increases, the quality declines.
I've been in the knife business since the 70's. I think a lot of new knife enthusiasts don't know how influential Chris Reeves is/was as a knife maker. Tolerances, tolerances, tolerances- his were/are still top notch. He was hitting .001 numbers decades ago. Frame lock? It was originally called the RIL, Reeve integral lock, yup, he invented it. Premium steel? Reeves paired with some top metallurgists to produce one of the first premium knife steels, S30V. He was a true innovator.
Some great knives on that table, and a bunch of others could be mentioned. That being said, I sure like my Sebenza’s. I will be in line for more when they come with Magnacut as a standard steel next year.
Pro Tech Malibu. Tough to find currently too, but generally a lot less expensive for equivalent luxury level Sebenza’s, and it has its own unique build choices that play on the company’s strengths (button locks, fast action, and beefy blade stock). Full retail price for a base Malibu is $270 (you can find them if you look hard enough), base Sebenza is $450. The Malibu is made of anodized aluminum, so maintaining a new looking finish is an impossibility outside of a museum case, but they do make other handle materials, I imagine there might be aftermarket too. BTW, If Chris Reeve is concerned with flipper forces on a knife, please don’t show him any Pro-Tech autos lol. I sound like a fanboy but I only own 2 pro techs (for less money than a mid range sebenza lol). They just do what they do very well, and I think it’s pretty clear that the Malibu is intended for the Sebenza space. ZTs are great too, a bit ornate and not as usefully designed for my taste, mine doesn’t make it to my pocket as much as the Malibu, but more than my Half-breed. They don’t mess around with their steel, but their blade shapes just aren’t at utilitarian (on the smaller, “classy” models anyway, hinderers are still no joke). Anyway, my “knife of record” is the Malibu, it’s in the sweet spot of uncompromising USA build quality and price. It’s beyond me why they don’t make more of them, seems like they could print their own money with them, but maybe they sold slower than they hoped. Or maybe they can’t tool up enough production at their desired quality.
The fact that they decided to go back and retroactively charge people more for things they’d already purchased, but not received yet, makes them a F tier company.
Nobody had paid a dime the orders were simply placed no money was exchanged and it’s funny people will pay 100 dollars over retail for a Chinese made knife from a American maker that’s been out sourced but as soon as a truly 100% American made knife has a price increase then their wrong and a crappy company I don’t get it
Just love the Ulrich Hennicke designed Task 1. I know it's been around for a while but it's got very classy, sleek visual detailing of the blade and handle and nice size. Great price too.
I've had several Sebenza's (and other CRK's); I have a 31 on my desk now. I personally think they are a bit overrated. Pretty much any modern mid-tier (benchmade, spyderco) and up folder is just as good at being a knife. My 31 wasn't even built that well. It has lock rock and side to side blade movement, but not enough for me to send it in. I think they were miles ahead 30 years ago, but now they are classics; almost like a classic car: look cool from the outside, but not that great to actually drive. I won't be buying another CRK. Just imo.
I love knives and have a big collection. Have always wanted one but hesitant. I really appreciate your honest opinion. I think you just made up my mind. Thank you sir.
I would agree to a degree. Every Sebenza I have owned, including both of my 31’s have been absolutely perfect. Any Benchmade I’ve owned, which there are several, are poorly made. Even my 940-1 has a blade that is not even close to being centred. I will say that I love my Spyderco knives though. They are smooth, well put together, and just simply awesome. I also love how many alternate scales and such are out there for the Spydies. I love my CRK’s and will totally buy more. Also love my Spydies and will add more of those. I have five Benchmades and they have gotten worse over the years. I won’t buy another BM.
@Tyler I’m with you. For price to quality, BM has to be on any most-overrated knives list. Many look so cool in pictures, then feel pretty cheap and often have issues out of the box. I’d rather have a Shiro than a BM gold class whatever. I do like my crooked river though. Solid knife.
@@dl733sak the Sebenza deserves a counterpoint. I own six CRK’s - 2 small, 2 large Sebs, an Umnumzaan & a Mnandi (+many other top models ie. XM18’s, 940’s, Ultratechs etc). IMO it’s the greatest folder ever made. It is the benchmark that has spawned hundreds of knife designs and models over the last few decades. It’s an outstanding knife, especially in the small size for EDC and actual use day in day out. To me the 21 was better than the 31 but the 31 is still awesome. It’s such a simple and great design. And in the Insingo blade design is amazing for EDC uses. They literally invented the frame lock, S30 and now S35 metals. It’s an incredible knife that will last a lifetime. It’s super light, thin and comfy in the pocket, it has the best hollow grind blade made and it’s just tough, including perhaps the best pocket clip made. Don’t write it off on one YT comment from a rando. Just my two cents. Happy carrying! 🤙🏻
Opinions based on an opinion of another person’s opinion whose opinion of someone else’s opinion is just that…their own opinions. So much anger and hatred throw at one company who makes an excellent product, and I don’t recall them ever saying in interviews or otherwise that they were the “industry standard”. I mean just because they won awards year after year, for what?? Almost two decades?? Yeah, that doesn’t say anything about the company. No one in this world will be happy with anything someone else does, and you can’t please an opinionated person who has never been told that in the real world, NO ONE owes you anything. You want something, work for it, you want to win, train for it, if it’s too expensive, apply for a job where things “aren’t expensive”. At the end of the day, I love my CRK’s, and I carry mine for work and I use mine for work, and I love owning mine. Are they the BEST folders I own, probably not, but then again, they probably are. They cut when I need them too, and as far as everyone else goes, y’all can carry what you want and tell me it’s the best, and I might even agree with you, because I understand that the thing you call the “best” works for you, just as my proverbial “best” works for me.
Very Very well said ! I picked up a sebenza second hand and it is a great knife simple yet showy,I absolutely love it! That being said, I wouldnt want to spend 425$+ for one ! And I don't thinkI'd sell mine for that amount either! I can think of at least 4 other knifes 4 the price
@@xDooksx Matter of fact I was doing very well. Then your comment sent me into a bit of a quandary. You see when I first read it I believed it to be exclamatory in nature, and thus was thinking to be ordered to feel okay, at which point I thought to myself, “yes, for you, I will feel better”. Once upon and theretofore putting on my spectacles; I saw that your comment was not exclamatory but indeed interrogative in nature, by the obvious use of the question mark at the end, which was there the entire time. So once I realized you were asking a question and not enjoining a prepatory command…needless to say I felt a bit silly and reluctantly decided that I would still feel better even though it was not an order, but instead a question. So now, to answer your original question: “yes”, yes I do feel better, and it’s all thanks to you. Enjoy reading till the end.
My 1969 Buck 110 folding hunter knife has worked very well for about 50 dollars new and most likely field dressed 16, to 18 Whitetails. A 4" to 5 inch blade is a must now
Land 912. I read a gentlemen in these comments who lost his Sebenza and the last line is the key for me. "I like to think that someone who wouldn’t otherwise have been able to afford it is enjoying it as much as I did." Not only will I never be able to afford a 425 dollar pocket knife, I wouldnt buy one if I could, because if I lost of broke it I would be inconsolable. Id much rather get a 20 dollar knife thats close enough.
I really wish you could still grab those. I got the first Emerson ZT the tanto and it is so well made. ZT have great f&f anyway imo but this thing is special.
I own a Sebenza 21. I use a Sebenza 21. It’s a good knife. I’ve had a few & no complaints about any of them. Yes there’s knives that are a better value but there’s a joy of ownership to them.
I recognize the Sabenza’s history and contribution to where are now, but I can’t get past my opposition to the frame lock, esp on knives with scale on only one side ( *shudder* ), Having said that, the We entrant definitely seems the best bang for yer buck on that table. Another excellent offering, DCA.
Just buy the Sandrin Monza, and call it a day! You will not be disappointed!!! *Knife owner/collector/user with 20+ years experience, (with over $110,000 in knives) & owning nearly every one on the table!*
I've never been happier to still be carrying my 20+ year old Gerber Harsey AirFrame, the ancestor of the Spartan Harsey Folder. Although the AirFrame is a liner lock, rather than a frame lock, its lock up is totally solid and it has what I believe are UHMW polyethylene washers instead of bronze washers. Being a knife that was designed some 25 years ago, the AirFrame has a 154CM blade, which while not being as exotic as later Crucible powder metallurgy steels, was considered a premium steel way back in the late 1990s. Remember that the Sebenza was originally made in ATS-34, which is virtually identical to 154CM. The 3D machined titanium scales are every bit as attractive as those of the Sebenza or Spartan, perhaps even moreso. This is the best folding knife Gerber ever made, and it was made in the US. In fact, Gerber ended up discontinuing the knife because it cost more than they expected to make it. The best part of the knife for me is that it has a tip down pocket clip, which I prefer and believe offers inherently superior safety to any tip-up design.
Great video. CR Sebenza grabs more that its fair share of reviews and show time. Great alternatives here. While the James Brand may be the closest (IMHO) I just love Chaves knives (grail brand). Hard to pin down why - probably a collision between their overbuilt design, compound blades and exacting engineering (thanks Reate). However, as nearly all of these are outside my budget, the closest I'll get to actually owning one is watching this video. 😢
One thing I love about my Sebenza is the ease of cleaning. I can disassemble, clean and reassemble in no time and CRK includes the tools to do it. I suspect some of the knives shown would be difficult to disassemble and may even void your warranty if you do so. If you are worried about getting your knife dirty what’s the point?
Had my Sebenza for a little over a year now and love it. Use it daily from general cardboard cutting to harder use cases. Can it be beaten? Yes, certainly but it's still a great knife. Luckily I've had no QC issues with mine but I've heard that not always the case. Also carry a ZT 0562 which is a better slicer but not quite as tough feeling (imo).
I'm like you w/ the knives. I have two customized ZT 0562Ti(s). You can't beat the metal "bang" they make. Yet, with all of today's, new faster-action, wildly-designed knives, the honorable Sebenza is in a different class.
I like my plain Ti Arno Bernard iMamba as a Sebenza alternative. It is impeccably made, with a stunningly beautiful hand-rubbed hollow grind. And it's a flipper which, for me, is a great thing.
Every so often I contemplate adding a Sebenza to my collection. But, I think the design needs an update. I can't bring myself to buy a Ti frame lock that does not have a steel lock bar insert. Especially considering the price of Sebenzas. Without the steel insert, the titanium isn't wear resistant enough to do well over the long haul. I know the end of the Sebenza lock bars are carbonized. But, I don't think it's enough. I have a friend who has an older Sebenza, where the lock bar is now extremely late, almost touching the opposite handle scale. Also, CRK doesn't want you flick their knives open. Are you kidding me? That's part of the action the majority of knife nuts look for.
They've been updated with a ceramic ball haven't they? Still imo you can get better materials in a more updated design, with similar levels of finish for less money.
I think Rockstead could have been included with Higo II (vs Large Sebenza). If you were to release a video of a Gentleman's Pocketknives, please include Nehan vs Mnandi
The real omission here was the Rockstead Higo and Hizen. They share the bushing pivot that the Sebenza uses. Of course the blades are different class, but in my collection, these knives are the closest competitors for my pocket!
While the sabenza is a fine piece of cutlery it is showing its age as far as overall design. The price is still fairly reasonable and if you look at USA made specifically there aren't nearly as many alternatives. I think a good comparison is the AD20. USA made and around the same price point and fit and finish and arguably the strongest lock mechanism but also inluding a buttery smooth deployment and a more recent trend being more fidgety. My point is for a company that set the standard back in the day they don't seem to be the gold standard today as a company.
the sebenza is not a "hard use knife" not like the ad 20 with its flimsy construction and ball bearings. they are a completely different category of knives. they are still the gold standard has nothing to do with some other knive with a randomly strong lock.
Did you like that Kizer T1, folks? Beautiful action, innit? And a great-looking knife. I sure thought so. So I bought one. And got one with what I now know is the famous brutally tight and finicky detent. Struggled with it all day until my thumb literally bled. Yes, I know about staying off the lock bar. So, so disappointed and angry. Beautiful packaging, though, very nice. Black and silver. Very classy. You can tell you've got a premium knife in every way except how it works.
When it came time for me to get a premium pocket knife, I considered the Sebenza but choose the Rockstead Hizen. S45V is a great steel but not unlike a blade from Spyderco or Benchmade. I'm not sure it constitutes a step up from them. But the Rockstead blade...that is a step up.
I've bought a lot of premium knives...sold off a lot, still have some...but a CF Elite Bugout serrated has kicked every other knife I have to the curb for some time now. I don't see that changing. I can appreciate nice knives now... but I have no desire for any more. Like my old trusty Glock 26 (my edc since 2008) the bugout just does it for me.
I am still waiting to get my first CRK Sebenza... I've REALLY liked the bog oak inlay version, but I'm waiting for Magnacut. Anyways, another suggestion for a "Beat the icon" episode, let's beat these: ESEE Izula; ESEE 6; Condor El Salvador; Morakniv Companion/Garberg/511/kansbol.
I have several CR Knives. The Insingo works very well for what I need a knife for here on the property. I do wonder just why CR Knives get the credit for the frame lock as Michael and Patricia Walker did it years before anyone ever heard of CR Knives. I do wish CR would do a better heat treat on their knives. The steel is far under spec in heat treat to really make the steel shins. That Sirius looks fo me at least like an ultra refined Gentleman's bugout. Nice!!! KnifeMaker
One thing not talked about is the warranty, spa and customer service the Sebenza offers! I sent my Sebenza in for spa service and it came back looking New. Can we even reach a person on the phone for some of the other knives ? 🤔
That’s something that most people seem to forget. Not only are you paying for the price for materials and craftsmanship, but you are also paying into the services that come with the knife itself. You can disassemble and reassemble your CRK over and over, and when the day comes that it needs to be serviced years down the line, they have you covered for the life of the knife. Lots of companies do not do that, some even outright claim that disassembly voids your warranty. I just got my first CRK, an Inkosi, but I have full faith that I will be taken care of when need be. So honestly, none of these choices even come close to what you get with CRK.
I have bought and sold at least 30 Sebenzas in the last 20 years. If I could have any single one of them back it would be a Large Plain Regular. They always seem to leave me cold for some reason. Try as I might, I just cannot hold onto one for very long.
My best friend has at least 4 of these he always asks if I want to see one when we are checking out his collection, I always am unimpressed by them they are nice but not great. I feel like most knives over 200 bucks I like more they are only special if you like them.
I'd rather have my Shirogorov F3 that I carry and use every day or my TRM Atom which is under 50% the price of a Sebinza but cuts better and has a better steel.
When was the last time CRK prices went up? Just curious. I thought they were pretty reasonable considering other knives in that tier like SHF, Chaves, and others shown here which go for more than 500. Admittedly, it’s an expensive tier, but I’ve often thought CRK could charge more and I’m not surprised they raised prices.
Lots of good knives on this list. Really though, all the knives with bearings in the pivot follow a different design philosophy. "Good action" was merely a side effect of the Sebenza being simple, well built, and made to last. It was never a goal in the design. I have alot of folding knives, but not many I know I'll still have in 20 years and even less I'll take to the field for anything longer than a weekend without lugging along a knife maintenance kit. The Sebenza still sets the standard for me.
Just cant understand why you would pay that much for a knife when there are so many options that are just as quality for half the price (or less) cant wrap my head around it. However as always everyone is free to spend their money on whatever they wish
Status symbol, doesn't do anything that my spydercos can do. i used to carry microtech amphibians and socoms until I dropped them and realized what a waste of money when I chipped the tips off
@@nikolasbbq and your spydercos cant really do anything a knife half its price can either. I think there is a fairly fine line of diminishing returns when it comes to materials and QC. Guess it comes down to thinking of a knife as a tool or as pocket jewelry and finding that balance for yourself.
Same reason you buy a Rolex or a '68 Mustang. Not that great of a watch for the money and the car really isn't that great either. Both are classics and all three hold their value .
@@roverjohn Same reason I wouldnt buy a Rolex and cant understand that either, but I get your point. If you got the money guess you gotta spend it on something
One huge selling point of the Sebenza (and CRK knives generally) that I don't think I heard mentioned that is incredibly important in contrast to any of the competitors you listed- They offer them in full lefty configurations. That is a HUGE thing that sets them apart for those of us who want that option in that price range for a titanium frame lock, throw it in the pocket and use it knife. My large 31 insingo is second only to a lefty JG Scout for me for daily work carry running CNCs.
Not a fan of the Chavez knives for whatever reason. Just don’t talk to me. But the Shiro SRBS model, does. But id really like something from them w MRBS if I’m spending that kinda money. I do like this one with SRBS a lot though. The scales or inlays/onlays its rocking are interesting
I carried a Sebenza for 14 years. It was the year 2000 engraved edition with Redwood burl inlay. I loved that knife. I lost it digging my truck out of the snow in a blizzard (not with the knife, of course). I was heart broken. I went to great lengths to try and recover it, but never did. That was years ago and nothing has replaced it in my heart, nor my pocket. At the time, it was a ridiculous expenditure, but if you average it out over how long I carried it, and how much longer I would have had I not lost it, it seems reasonable. By the way it’s the only knife I’ve ever lost. I like to think that someone who wouldn’t otherwise have been able to afford it is enjoying it as much as I did.
Great way to look at it!
Metal detector?
Just buy another?
@@spoopy9689 I know. I've bought one.
Sucks that you lost it mate, but man absolutely respect your outlook on someone else being able to enjoy it. Stay blessed!
I went to the Chris Reeve store in 2018. Tim Reeve sold me an Inkosi. He told me the Inkosi is the better choice. I cherish that knife. Tim then gave me a full tour of their factory and personally introduced me to his staff. He was so cool and I'll never forget that day. His mom is super nice as well.
I like the Inkosi better too, but some people don’t fit the finger grooves, and now the Sebenza 31 has large one-piece “annual” style inlays and the Inkosi ceramic ball lockup, so it’s looking better now.
Man this might be one of my favorite episodes, every knife is a winner in my book. Nice work KC 🤘🏻
I own a classic Sebenza as well as a ZT and Spyderco Police. I carry them all. I will tell you though my Sebenza is most often in my pocket. It is nearly 25 years old still rock solid I use it for work with no problems or qualms about it. Chris Reeve Knives has the best customer service as far as I am concerned. I called them after owning the knife for nearly 15 years needing new screws. The lady I spoke to simply asked my name and address and when I asked if she needed my CC info she said no. The hardware was at my house in a matter of days. No questions asked no proof of purchase. I will always be a Sebenza carrier, it will be willed to my nephew to continue to carry.
I love to over-analyze everything under the sun, and that includes knives.
When a knife enthusiast is looking to buy (yet another) new knife, he or she is really looking for three different kinds of products in one: a tool, a toy, and a piece of jewelry. Some people emphasize the tool aspect above everything else. They’d be happy as a clam with any robust budget model. Some people are interested mainly in the knife as a toy- how well it flips opened and closed, or any tricks they can perform with it. Some prioritize the jewelry aspect- fit and finish, premium materials, customization, etc.
A Sebenza really can best be understood as something that was intended by the maker to be a robust tool, but is viewed almost exclusively by the market as a piece of jewelry. That viewpoint is exacerbated by the fact that you can void your warranty so easily just by flicking it open forcefully. Sebenzas sit in an ironic paradox of being nearly indestructible, yet no one wants to use them aggressively for fear of damaging them.
But I can’t simply throw disparaging words on people with expensive tastes. There are analogies in every aspect of life. A homeless person manages to scrape together enough discarded food or pocket change to avoid starvation just one more day. A wealthy person spends hundreds of dollars on a single gourmet meal. The wealthy person creates ample resources for himself (money, amongst other things), so he doesn’t have to opt for the barest necessities possible. Is it wrong or evil to enjoy an expensive meal? Not necessarily. Someone who can’t afford expensive meals would say without hesitation that it’s evil, yet I guarantee you that if that person won the lottery one of the first things they’d do is celebrate with an expensive meal.
All of that said, I do have to laugh at the idea that my slip joint Case knife has probably seen more hard use than a room-ful of Sebenzas. 🤷♂️
Good thoughts. In a free country, the wealthy guy provided jobs for those involved in his splendid meal. Rumor has it, the dishwasher run out after work to buy a Honey Badger, the prep lady a colorful Spyderco and the chef went online to order a Sebenza 31.
It probably has and that's a shame. They really are great tools designed for many years of use. I saved and bought a 21 when I heard they were changing the original design. Just had to see for myself. Figured I could always sell it or keep it as the jewel of my small knife collection if it was too nice to use. The 31 was long available by the time I had scraped enough together to get one of the last few available at a retailer. I don't regret it one bit and once I scratched it up I've never looked back. I just don't use my knife as a field expedient screwdriver anymore.🤣
Reminds me of the wrist watch industry. Tho, it's even a bigger rabbit hole when you start to learn about it... much bigger and almost totally insane. The best watches are the cheapest ones. And as the price increases, the quality declines.
@@damyr praise GOD for cell phones. If they only had blades, I might be much richer.
Good assessment! Funny, and true. 👌😅
I've been in the knife business since the 70's. I think a lot of new knife enthusiasts don't know how influential Chris Reeves is/was as a knife maker. Tolerances, tolerances, tolerances- his were/are still top notch. He was hitting .001 numbers decades ago. Frame lock? It was originally called the RIL, Reeve integral lock, yup, he invented it. Premium steel? Reeves paired with some top metallurgists to produce one of the first premium knife steels, S30V. He was a true innovator.
I clicked on this video thinking, “I better see a Spartan Harsey folder.” I’m glad to see that we think alike.
I'd love to see an episode of this regarding the Grimsmo Norseman.
Some great knives on that table, and a bunch of others could be mentioned. That being said, I sure like my Sebenza’s. I will be in line for more when they come with Magnacut as a standard steel next year.
I’ve always wanted a Spartan Harsey. So many different color ways and designs. But the knife itself is something that I would carry.
Which one would YOU get?
Bro, I got the warthog spartan Harsey and LOOOVE IT!! go for it, you won't be disappointed!!!
Pro Tech Malibu. Tough to find currently too, but generally a lot less expensive for equivalent luxury level Sebenza’s, and it has its own unique build choices that play on the company’s strengths (button locks, fast action, and beefy blade stock).
Full retail price for a base Malibu is $270 (you can find them if you look hard enough), base Sebenza is $450. The Malibu is made of anodized aluminum, so maintaining a new looking finish is an impossibility outside of a museum case, but they do make other handle materials, I imagine there might be aftermarket too. BTW, If Chris Reeve is concerned with flipper forces on a knife, please don’t show him any Pro-Tech autos lol. I sound like a fanboy but I only own 2 pro techs (for less money than a mid range sebenza lol). They just do what they do very well, and I think it’s pretty clear that the Malibu is intended for the Sebenza space.
ZTs are great too, a bit ornate and not as usefully designed for my taste, mine doesn’t make it to my pocket as much as the Malibu, but more than my Half-breed. They don’t mess around with their steel, but their blade shapes just aren’t at utilitarian (on the smaller, “classy” models anyway, hinderers are still no joke).
Anyway, my “knife of record” is the Malibu, it’s in the sweet spot of uncompromising USA build quality and price. It’s beyond me why they don’t make more of them, seems like they could print their own money with them, but maybe they sold slower than they hoped. Or maybe they can’t tool up enough production at their desired quality.
Shiro is king for sure but definitely a different beast. Love DCAs version the most out of all I've seen tho. Great blade shape.
Try beating the hell out of one and sending it back to the manufacturer and see if they’ll return it in like new condition.
The recent price increase makes it less of a top contender for quality frame lock knives. Asking $425 for a plain Jane small sebenza is insane
I agree. They've been really ridiculous recently. Hard to say good things about a knife maker that overprices their products.
he even raised the prices on people who already had their knives on order. Pretty crazy that he shows a 4 year backlog of orders too. -_-
The fact that they decided to go back and retroactively charge people more for things they’d already purchased, but not received yet, makes them a F tier company.
Nobody had paid a dime the orders were simply placed no money was exchanged and it’s funny people will pay 100 dollars over retail for a Chinese made knife from a American maker that’s been out sourced but as soon as a truly 100% American made knife has a price increase then their wrong and a crappy company I don’t get it
exactly the same as a small xm-18 pretty standard pricing
Just love the Ulrich Hennicke designed Task 1. I know it's been around for a while but it's got very classy, sleek visual detailing of the blade and handle and nice size. Great price too.
I've had several Sebenza's (and other CRK's); I have a 31 on my desk now. I personally think they are a bit overrated. Pretty much any modern mid-tier (benchmade, spyderco) and up folder is just as good at being a knife. My 31 wasn't even built that well. It has lock rock and side to side blade movement, but not enough for me to send it in. I think they were miles ahead 30 years ago, but now they are classics; almost like a classic car: look cool from the outside, but not that great to actually drive. I won't be buying another CRK. Just imo.
I love knives and have a big collection. Have always wanted one but hesitant. I really appreciate your honest opinion. I think you just made up my mind. Thank you sir.
I would agree to a degree. Every Sebenza I have owned, including both of my 31’s have been absolutely perfect. Any Benchmade I’ve owned, which there are several, are poorly made. Even my 940-1 has a blade that is not even close to being centred.
I will say that I love my Spyderco knives though. They are smooth, well put together, and just simply awesome. I also love how many alternate scales and such are out there for the Spydies.
I love my CRK’s and will totally buy more. Also love my Spydies and will add more of those. I have five Benchmades and they have gotten worse over the years. I won’t buy another BM.
@Tyler I’m with you. For price to quality, BM has to be on any most-overrated knives list. Many look so cool in pictures, then feel pretty cheap and often have issues out of the box. I’d rather have a Shiro than a BM gold class whatever. I do like my crooked river though. Solid knife.
Not to mention the price increase 🙃
@@dl733sak the Sebenza deserves a counterpoint. I own six CRK’s - 2 small, 2 large Sebs, an Umnumzaan & a Mnandi (+many other top models ie. XM18’s, 940’s, Ultratechs etc). IMO it’s the greatest folder ever made. It is the benchmark that has spawned hundreds of knife designs and models over the last few decades. It’s an outstanding knife, especially in the small size for EDC and actual use day in day out. To me the 21 was better than the 31 but the 31 is still awesome. It’s such a simple and great design. And in the Insingo blade design is amazing for EDC uses. They literally invented the frame lock, S30 and now S35 metals. It’s an incredible knife that will last a lifetime. It’s super light, thin and comfy in the pocket, it has the best hollow grind blade made and it’s just tough, including perhaps the best pocket clip made. Don’t write it off on one YT comment from a rando. Just my two cents. Happy carrying! 🤙🏻
More Beat The Icon please! MORE MORE MORE!!!! 💪🏻💪🏻
Hope they do the 940 Osborne next
Opinions based on an opinion of another person’s opinion whose opinion of someone else’s opinion is just that…their own opinions. So much anger and hatred throw at one company who makes an excellent product, and I don’t recall them ever saying in interviews or otherwise that they were the “industry standard”. I mean just because they won awards year after year, for what?? Almost two decades?? Yeah, that doesn’t say anything about the company. No one in this world will be happy with anything someone else does, and you can’t please an opinionated person who has never been told that in the real world, NO ONE owes you anything. You want something, work for it, you want to win, train for it, if it’s too expensive, apply for a job where things “aren’t expensive”. At the end of the day, I love my CRK’s, and I carry mine for work and I use mine for work, and I love owning mine. Are they the BEST folders I own, probably not, but then again, they probably are. They cut when I need them too, and as far as everyone else goes, y’all can carry what you want and tell me it’s the best, and I might even agree with you, because I understand that the thing you call the “best” works for you, just as my proverbial “best” works for me.
Very Very well said ! I picked up a sebenza second hand and it is a great knife simple yet showy,I absolutely love it! That being said, I wouldnt want to spend 425$+ for one ! And I don't thinkI'd sell mine for that amount either! I can think of at least 4 other knifes 4 the price
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Agreed.
This comment section is such a gift LOL thank you DCA and KC!!
My 1969 Buck 110 folding hunter knife has worked very well for about 50 dollars new and most likely field dressed 16, to 18 Whitetails. A 4" to 5 inch blade is a must now
Land 912. I read a gentlemen in these comments who lost his Sebenza and the last line is the key for me. "I like to think that someone who wouldn’t otherwise have been able to afford it is enjoying it as much as I did." Not only will I never be able to afford a 425 dollar pocket knife, I wouldnt buy one if I could, because if I lost of broke it I would be inconsolable. Id much rather get a 20 dollar knife thats close enough.
Ditto ! Even a $20.00 knife I will miss after 23 years in my right front pocket my craftsman lock broke
Kinda surprised not to see the ZT 0640 on this list. It seems to be an even better direct competitor than the 0470 you showed.
I'm with you on that
I really wish you could still grab those. I got the first Emerson ZT the tanto and it is so well made. ZT have great f&f anyway imo but this thing is special.
That blue and gray together a great combo
I own a Sebenza 21. I use a Sebenza 21. It’s a good knife.
I’ve had a few & no complaints about any of them. Yes there’s knives that are a better value but there’s a joy of ownership to them.
I recognize the Sabenza’s history and contribution to where are now, but I can’t get past my opposition to the frame lock, esp on knives with scale on only one side ( *shudder* ),
Having said that, the We entrant definitely seems the best bang for yer buck on that table.
Another excellent offering, DCA.
You know why these cost $500 bucks? It’s because they want you to try and break it. He makes work knifes not safe queens. Use yours I sure as hell do.
You sure? Pretty sure Chris has a long track record of vehemently despising people who “abuse” his knives.
One knife I was looking at recently is the GiantMouse ACE Sonoma - Ti Satin. It's much cheaper that the Sebenza.
Really good timing since the price change lol
Just buy the Sandrin Monza, and call it a day! You will not be disappointed!!!
*Knife owner/collector/user with 20+ years experience, (with over $110,000 in knives) & owning nearly every one on the table!*
I've never been happier to still be carrying my 20+ year old Gerber Harsey AirFrame, the ancestor of the Spartan Harsey Folder. Although the AirFrame is a liner lock, rather than a frame lock, its lock up is totally solid and it has what I believe are UHMW polyethylene washers instead of bronze washers. Being a knife that was designed some 25 years ago, the AirFrame has a 154CM blade, which while not being as exotic as later Crucible powder metallurgy steels, was considered a premium steel way back in the late 1990s. Remember that the Sebenza was originally made in ATS-34, which is virtually identical to 154CM. The 3D machined titanium scales are every bit as attractive as those of the Sebenza or Spartan, perhaps even moreso. This is the best folding knife Gerber ever made, and it was made in the US. In fact, Gerber ended up discontinuing the knife because it cost more than they expected to make it. The best part of the knife for me is that it has a tip down pocket clip, which I prefer and believe offers inherently superior safety to any tip-up design.
Great video. CR Sebenza grabs more that its fair share of reviews and show time. Great alternatives here. While the James Brand may be the closest (IMHO) I just love Chaves knives (grail brand). Hard to pin down why - probably a collision between their overbuilt design, compound blades and exacting engineering (thanks Reate). However, as nearly all of these are outside my budget, the closest I'll get to actually owning one is watching this video. 😢
Are there any alternatives to Swiss Army Knives? Maybe some with more premium steel, or with bigger tools?
For upgraded steel, have a look at the SAK alternatives made by Boker, Ruike and MKM.
Ti Spine is pretty sweet too, i like that monolithic handle design on it. 👌🏻
I’m a bit surprised there was no Rick Hinderer on the list. Specifically the Eklipse.
Yeah, a Hinderer is the perfect example because you can’t get them either : )
Thoughts on the Spydiechef? That knife is fantastic
All great knives, the only problem is that you will know it's not a sebenza everytime you hold it.
One thing I love about my Sebenza is the ease of cleaning. I can disassemble, clean and reassemble in no time and CRK includes the tools to do it. I suspect some of the knives shown would be difficult to disassemble and may even void your warranty if you do so. If you are worried about getting your knife dirty what’s the point?
Totally agree. Everyone loves an integral until you have to maintenance one. They're a super big pain in the ass to get back together
Had my Sebenza for a little over a year now and love it. Use it daily from general cardboard cutting to harder use cases.
Can it be beaten? Yes, certainly but it's still a great knife. Luckily I've had no QC issues with mine but I've heard that not always the case.
Also carry a ZT 0562 which is a better slicer but not quite as tough feeling (imo).
I'm like you w/ the knives. I have two customized ZT 0562Ti(s). You can't beat the metal "bang" they make. Yet, with all of today's, new faster-action, wildly-designed knives, the honorable Sebenza is in a different class.
@@cliffbunyea8416 100% agree.
Alot of beautiful steel and titanium
Love my toor merchant so much I bought another. Great knife
I like the blood grooves on the Reate!!! };)
Stop it
Its ok...i can do everything sebenza do with my buck 110 🤘🏻 cheers boi
Except make anyone envious when you tell them what knife you own. But yeah, other than that I'm sure.
I like my plain Ti Arno Bernard iMamba as a Sebenza alternative. It is impeccably made, with a stunningly beautiful hand-rubbed hollow grind. And it's a flipper which, for me, is a great thing.
Damn that looks just like it or has the same vibe. But haha it costs more than a Sebenza 31.
Every so often I contemplate adding a Sebenza to my collection. But, I think the design needs an update. I can't bring myself to buy a Ti frame lock that does not have a steel lock bar insert. Especially considering the price of Sebenzas. Without the steel insert, the titanium isn't wear resistant enough to do well over the long haul. I know the end of the Sebenza lock bars are carbonized. But, I don't think it's enough. I have a friend who has an older Sebenza, where the lock bar is now extremely late, almost touching the opposite handle scale. Also, CRK doesn't want you flick their knives open. Are you kidding me? That's part of the action the majority of knife nuts look for.
They've been updated with a ceramic ball haven't they? Still imo you can get better materials in a more updated design, with similar levels of finish for less money.
OfCourse you can beat the Sebenza, I've seen it done with a CS Code-4 once. 😅
I think Rockstead could have been included with Higo II (vs Large Sebenza). If you were to release a video of a Gentleman's Pocketknives, please include Nehan vs Mnandi
The real omission here was the Rockstead Higo and Hizen. They share the bushing pivot that the Sebenza uses. Of course the blades are different class, but in my collection, these knives are the closest competitors for my pocket!
Another fine job DCA, have impeccable taste
While the sabenza is a fine piece of cutlery it is showing its age as far as overall design. The price is still fairly reasonable and if you look at USA made specifically there aren't nearly as many alternatives. I think a good comparison is the AD20. USA made and around the same price point and fit and finish and arguably the strongest lock mechanism but also inluding a buttery smooth deployment and a more recent trend being more fidgety. My point is for a company that set the standard back in the day they don't seem to be the gold standard today as a company.
100% agree! But one big difference...CRKs are widely available with just a little searching. AD20s are almost unicorns.
the sebenza is not a "hard use knife" not like the ad 20 with its flimsy construction and ball bearings. they are a completely different category of knives. they are still the gold standard has nothing to do with some other knive with a randomly strong lock.
That WE Beacon is calling my name
u know what knife company i was shocked with being so good for the price. Civivi
please forgive me for saying that the best Sebenza homage is the Land 910T2.
the 910/910Plus/911/912/913 models are excellent as well.
Did you like that Kizer T1, folks? Beautiful action, innit? And a great-looking knife. I sure thought so. So I bought one. And got one with what I now know is the famous brutally tight and finicky detent. Struggled with it all day until my thumb literally bled. Yes, I know about staying off the lock bar. So, so disappointed and angry. Beautiful packaging, though, very nice. Black and silver. Very classy. You can tell you've got a premium knife in every way except how it works.
When it came time for me to get a premium pocket knife, I considered the Sebenza but choose the Rockstead Hizen. S45V is a great steel but not unlike a blade from Spyderco or Benchmade. I'm not sure it constitutes a step up from them. But the Rockstead blade...that is a step up.
Nice knife but I will stick to my Kershaw budget 😅 Thanks Dave excellent video.
I own a large 21 insingo. I say a comparable knife is the ZT 0640. Throw a lynch nw clip on it and imo it's a better knife.
I've bought a lot of premium knives...sold off a lot, still have some...but a CF Elite Bugout serrated has kicked every other knife I have to the curb for some time now. I don't see that changing.
I can appreciate nice knives now... but I have no desire for any more. Like my old trusty Glock 26 (my edc since 2008) the bugout just does it for me.
Oh DCA, why do you tease us with an awesome looking knife, namely the Lion Steel Tispine, when it is no longer available? You are such a tease.
I am buying That Chris Reeve Knife i Bought a Medford this week expensive ,wish these came in a Box Like The Medford .
I am still waiting to get my first CRK Sebenza... I've REALLY liked the bog oak inlay version, but I'm waiting for Magnacut.
Anyways, another suggestion for a "Beat the icon" episode, let's beat these: ESEE Izula; ESEE 6; Condor El Salvador; Morakniv Companion/Garberg/511/kansbol.
M1 Caper for Izula. Fallkniven F1X and Lionsteel M4 and DBK Knife and Patriot Manly and Joker Ember for the wood cutting ones.
Great Video Mr. Anderson!
I have several CR Knives. The Insingo works very well for what I need a knife for here on the property. I do wonder just why CR Knives get the credit for the frame lock as Michael and Patricia Walker did it years before anyone ever heard of CR Knives. I do wish CR would do a better heat treat on their knives. The steel is far under spec in heat treat to really make the steel shins.
That Sirius looks fo me at least like an ultra refined Gentleman's bugout. Nice!!!
KnifeMaker
I have a Toor admiral, and love it minus the pocket clip (super weak) if they can fix that it'll be a serious contender for more pocket time
Man I love this episode!
Thanks for comparisons. Fancy pants!
Hey man! What about the Real Steel Phasma in titanium and M390 steel? Keep the excellent work! Cheers!
Huge huge like on this particular episode ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
One thing not talked about is the warranty, spa and customer service the Sebenza offers! I sent my Sebenza in for spa service and it came back looking New. Can we even reach a person on the phone for some of the other knives ? 🤔
That’s something that most people seem to forget. Not only are you paying for the price for materials and craftsmanship, but you are also paying into the services that come with the knife itself. You can disassemble and reassemble your CRK over and over, and when the day comes that it needs to be serviced years down the line, they have you covered for the life of the knife. Lots of companies do not do that, some even outright claim that disassembly voids your warranty. I just got my first CRK, an Inkosi, but I have full faith that I will be taken care of when need be. So honestly, none of these choices even come close to what you get with CRK.
Lots of good choices out there these days but the Sebenza is a classic do it all knife that retains its value and will serve you well.
Hey DCA, for me the main competitors are inside the CRK family. The Inkosi and before all the Umnumzaan are what can beat the Sebenza.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of that guy or that knife, where can I get more information about it?
I really want a Beat The Icon edition of the Benchmade 940
I have bought and sold at least 30 Sebenzas in the last 20 years. If I could have any single one of them back it would be a Large Plain Regular. They always seem to leave me cold for some reason. Try as I might, I just cannot hold onto one for very long.
Now days you can buy 15 QSP Penguins for the price of one plain sebenza.
Yep, and then you’d own 15 QSP Penguins :)
I understand the price difference, but isn’t that the limit of any meaningful comparison?
@@harrycrab8725 Or you could get on a waiting list for that 1 Sebenza and maybe get it in 2 years lol.
Thank you DCA
My best friend has at least 4 of these he always asks if I want to see one when we are checking out his collection, I always am unimpressed by them they are nice but not great. I feel like most knives over 200 bucks I like more they are only special if you like them.
Although Hard to find I Really like my Trm Atomic Titanium it isn't as robust as a Crk but for what I need it for it is great.
My large Sebenza 21 and Umnumzaan are still going 💪
I want a Sebenza 31, but the industry has come a long way since 1987. The knives on the table support my opinion.
I'd rather have my Shirogorov F3 that I carry and use every day or my TRM Atom which is under 50% the price of a Sebinza but cuts better and has a better steel.
Yeah I have a couple of F95s that are just as capable as a Sebbie and flip like gymnasts fidget factor surpasses the CRKs
we esprit titanium for me
TRM might be the most underrated knife in the sub-$500 range
@@nubsybarra7432 completely agree. It dethroned and kicked all Spydercos, Benchmades, WE, etc from my rotation.
Heck it ended my rotation 😆
I prefer the quality and thin ground bevels of Medford knives for sharpening.
“LionSteel TiSpine” does not exist on your website (except for the discontinued version). The TS1 doesn’t exist on your website either.
When was the last time CRK prices went up? Just curious. I thought they were pretty reasonable considering other knives in that tier like SHF, Chaves, and others shown here which go for more than 500. Admittedly, it’s an expensive tier, but I’ve often thought CRK could charge more and I’m not surprised they raised prices.
CRK just raised their prices a couple of days ago (but it has been a while since that price bump)
Waypoint by Quiet Carry w/Vanax Super Clean steel!
Resco Gooseworks MDCF is the closest I've felt to replicating the solidity of the CRK, even more so than the Spartan.
CRKT made a Sebenza prototype with aus6 and zytel. I wouldn't mind trying the Sanrenmu-benza myself.
Good timing. CRK just increased pricing today.
Would love to see a few more “plain Wayne” alternatives
Sebenza is my fav work knife
My edc lg sebenza 31 magnacut drop point blk micarta inlays and NO I do not think that it can be surpassed
I think the Reate K-1 is a very refined knife.
Agree. Got one a couple months ago and I love it. Such a beauty.
what a nice informative video!
I like my ZTs but lately carry a Kershaw Link, 20 CV.
Lots of good knives on this list. Really though, all the knives with bearings in the pivot follow a different design philosophy. "Good action" was merely a side effect of the Sebenza being simple, well built, and made to last. It was never a goal in the design. I have alot of folding knives, but not many I know I'll still have in 20 years and even less I'll take to the field for anything longer than a weekend without lugging along a knife maintenance kit. The Sebenza still sets the standard for me.
Can’t go past my edc pocket carry BK 9 my all time favorite 😍
Just cant understand why you would pay that much for a knife when there are so many options that are just as quality for half the price (or less) cant wrap my head around it. However as always everyone is free to spend their money on whatever they wish
Status symbol, doesn't do anything that my spydercos can do. i used to carry microtech amphibians and socoms until I dropped them and realized what a waste of money when I chipped the tips off
@@nikolasbbq and your spydercos cant really do anything a knife half its price can either. I think there is a fairly fine line of diminishing returns when it comes to materials and QC. Guess it comes down to thinking of a knife as a tool or as pocket jewelry and finding that balance for yourself.
Same reason you buy a Rolex or a '68 Mustang. Not that great of a watch for the money and the car really isn't that great either. Both are classics and all three hold their value .
@@roverjohn Same reason I wouldnt buy a Rolex and cant understand that either, but I get your point. If you got the money guess you gotta spend it on something
Just buy one :)
How long do you think it will be before you have CRKs in stock?
Fox looks nice Lionsteel too
One huge selling point of the Sebenza (and CRK knives generally) that I don't think I heard mentioned that is incredibly important in contrast to any of the competitors you listed- They offer them in full lefty configurations.
That is a HUGE thing that sets them apart for those of us who want that option in that price range for a titanium frame lock, throw it in the pocket and use it knife. My large 31 insingo is second only to a lefty JG Scout for me for daily work carry running CNCs.
I will own a CRK with the Insingo one day. I just will.👌🏻
Not a fan of the Chavez knives for whatever reason. Just don’t talk to me. But the Shiro SRBS model, does. But id really like something from them w MRBS if I’m spending that kinda money. I do like this one with SRBS a lot though. The scales or inlays/onlays its rocking are interesting