Been running a 205 width Kuhmo tire on my Honda Shadow for years now and love it. It handles the same as a bike tire. It should last about 3 times longer. It has a lot better traction in the rain and better stopping power. (sticks like glue!) They are a lot cheaper, about 1/2 the price of a bike tire. They may not be for everyone, but I don't think I'll ever go back to a bike tire on the rear anymore.
I had a Kumho Ecsta SPT on my ‘07 GoldWing for 7 years and over 25K miles, without incident, aired at 35 psi! Now, I’m gonna install a Bridgestone Driveguard 195/55RF16 87V tomorrow, for my rear tire, thanks to Chris Caliente (YT Channel)! I won’t waste my time nor my money on motorcycle tires!
they actually stick less, bike tires are softer compound to stick to the road better, car tires are hard compound so thats why it last longer but gives less traction. also a wider tire such as a car tire will more prone to hydro plane in rain so its prob way less traction in wet weather. I aint telling u not to run one, but just stating facts in case other ppl are researching using a car tire. Also some insurance companies will not honor your claim if u use a car tire if u crash.
Im here to tell you that I put 92k on my 2012 level 3 Goldwing on car tires. Im 54 at the time of this posting and ride with 4 guys. 1 Hyabusa, 2 FJRs 1 Vstrom. OtherS join occasionally. 5 or 6 hundred mile days are childs play. We are called "advanced" by new comers. Not sure what that means. I think it means too fast. We rode and ride all the named roads of nc, sc, va, tn, ga and wv regularly. They are a little faster than I am, but I always have them in sight and have scraped the boards many times. There are some handling differences not difficulties. There is slightly more pressure on the bars required when leaning over. And when the tire catches a groove in the road .. riding along that groove is a little more "evident". Bike tires do the same thing but more subtly. These are the only two caveats. I challenge anyone here to find me real data that supports a crash due to a car tire install. At the same time, I make the same challenge to see how many bike tire failures caused a crash. You can email me at chrisofv@gmail.com when you've found the data
Chris, don't lose sleep waiting for an answer. I've posted the challenge on many TH-cam videos for anyone to provide the crash evidence too. Nothing. NOT ONE. And you know if that police report or news article existed it would be plastered on every dealership service wall in the country... right next to their $380 Dunlop tire.
I hear ya Doug. I have searched myself. Im a network engineer by trade. I tried to search every way I could think of and havent found 1 report of a crash and burn !
You know if that information existed, insurance companies would use it to avoid payouts. People have forgotten that in their infancy, motorbikes used car and bicycle tires, because that is all that existed. I truely believe this discussion if whether or not it's safe is overshadowing the need in the community for better touring tires.
For the record, there is NO DATA that exists on a single failure of a car tire on a motorcycle, due to the USE of a car tire. Also, there are no known insurance agencies that will refuse a claim due to the USE of a car tire in the US.
I have a car tire on the back of my Roadliner. Your riding style pretty much dictates whether or not this is the mod you want to make to your bike. If you're a rider that likes scraping pegs or boards in every curve, then this might not be the best choice for you. I am fully capable of navigating a twisty road but I understand that my tire choice limits my speeds and lean angle in some sharper curves. I'm not looking to do a bunch of leaning and scraping so going a little slower in the curves is typically how I ride anyway. Majority of my riding is long and fairly straight stretches of freeway. A car tire on the back of a tourer/cruiser is excellent for that. By doing this mod I'm not looking at forking over cash for a new tire every 6000 miles because it's worn flat in the middle.
@@drock6627 not everyone is a street rosi doesn t make them a power bikes weren't racing vehicles to start they were cruzers naybe you're the poser lol
i ran several thousand miles on a low profile car tire on a vtx 1800.never had an issue.it actually seemed to handle better in the curves.i live in west virginia.there's not a straight road around.i rode all the time with these "pro's" who said how stupid i was .never had the first problem.it rode better,felt way more safer riding on wet roads
cae021, a 2003 r model vtx. i used a 205/65-16 low profile car tire on the vtx stock rim. that was as big a tire i could get on it without modifying fender,etc.
i just bought a 2004 vtx1800r and im thinking about running a ct hell i already ordered it but im kinda having 2nd thoughts. the tire it has is so worn it pretty much flat like a ct tire. i order a hankook opitmo h426 205/65r15. im going to use this bike for commuting. i have a cbr600rr for the twisties. this is my first cruiser so im trying to decide if i should go with the me888 or the ct tire. the vtx1800r has some power but its slow compared to my cbr600rr. so it not the power im concerned about. anyone ever ran on me888 and a ct darkside tire. can you give me some comparisons about them. thanks.
@@dejonsmall9886 I passed as guy on a Road Glide that was setting on I-71 in Ohio with a rear MOTORCYCLE tire blown all to shit with 3K miles on it. I have a 2018 Heritage classic with 4K miles that had the rear tire split around the dia of the sidewall, not from the rim to the contact point so I guess I me and the road glide guy both had those problems you speak of, with motorcycle tires under 4K miles.
Southerneagle83...... yes, he did talk about the handling of it with the CT, in a previous video... before he mounted a camera under the bike for this video... the more he rode it, the more he liked it, and he said he noticed No difference whatsoever in cornering with the way he rides. I can tell you from my own experience, starting with a 1982 Wing, and putting over 71, 380+ miles on it with a CT, and now with my current 2002 VTX 1800C and nearly 40,000 miles on it with a CT, that I will Never go back to a "MC" tire on the rear again. I can see and understand a "MC" tire on the rear if your "road racing" or "cafe" racing on the Isle of Man or something.... scraping peg/foot boards and frame in the curves.... but for "normal" riding, and just out for the love of motorcycling and enjoying all that it entails, without feeling the need to show everyone how you can take 30mph curves at 70mph (re; Stupidity!)..... then CT's will be one of the best investments for your bike and yourself that you can make. I can also tell you that with a CT on the rear, there is a very noticeable difference in the handling in wet or even slightly snowing conditions (if you happen to get caught in such a situation)..... they are supremely BETTER in those situations, much more stable!!.... as I said, I will Never go back to a "MC" rear tire again.... as far as I'm concerned, as well as many, Many others who have switched over.... the CT's for the rear are far more superior in numerous ways.... unless, as I pointed out above.... your into high speed racing with really tight turns at high speeds, and really laying over on the curves and turns..... otherwise, I'll take a CT anyday on a "cruiser", "touring" or any other large bike.
Fine if the road is flat,however at slow speeds if the road surface has dips end valleys from traffic and heavy trucks the tire will turn the bike with the contour and you don't know which way your going.Ran one for 26000 miles on a stratoliner.Never again.
@@robertsundberg4495 that kind of happens regardless of the tire, I'm not sure why a car tire would be any worse then a bike. Any type of groove or crack has the potential of steering you off course, more about the front tire in my experience.
Sean, I just ordered my first dark side tire for a motorcycle. I just bought a Michelin Premier A/S 195/55R-16 for my 2016 Honda F6B Deluxe. I ride a LOT, and am so tired of going through 3 rear tires every year. I am hoping to cut that down to just one rear tire now every 18 months or so. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for all of the videos you do! Your videos actually helped me decide on going Honda.
@@beetlejuice3x309 Yup! I am replacing that tire tomorrow morning! I got 26,000 miles on it, and although the edges are still plenty good, the center is worn down to the tread wear indicators. I found the tire to be amazing, though. I got 26k miles outta it, and 1 year - whereas I would have gone through 5 motorcycle tires in the same span. It rode like a dream - smooth, quiet, incredible grip and traction in ALL conditions, including light snow. I ride year-round no matter what. I'm replacing this tire with a tire I found with an incredible tread pattern that I wanna try out. Vredestein Quatrac 195/55R16. Looks like it should provide excellent grip in all conditions. I'm pulling the Michelin off tomorrow (9/13/21) and installing the new tire.
@@ace1usmc how are you liking the Vredestein? I have a vstar 1100 classic I just replaced the front with a MC tire but I'm thinking of going CT on the rear. I'm new to motorcycles but this makes a lot of sense to me. Might as well learn to ride it from the start. Thoughts?
@@coyoteodie4458 if you are brand new to riding, then I would actually tell you to get some more experience with the bike with MT's on it. Wait until you are experienced enough to make the bike do what you want it to do under you. Then, absolutely - make the switch. I am loving the Vredestein even more than I loved the Michelin. It's actually smoother and quieter than the Michelin. And I believe the tread pattern will be FAR superior in wet and light snow. Just look at the tread pattern on the Vredestein, and you'll see what I mean. Still, the Michelin did great for me. I got 26,340 miles out of it, and could have probably gone much further if I had dialed in the tire pressure correctly. I would have gone through 4-5 MT tires in the same span, not to mention the fact that so many times I've worn out tires in the middle of a cross-country ride and hadda pay exorbitant dealership prices while on the road. That's all in the past now.
@@ace1usmc thankyou for the quick reply. I will follow your advice and go with an MC tire for at least this first go round. Get one learning curve behind me before I trying the next also makes sense. Put the bike in the shop for carb tune and its been raining for the 3 days since then. Haven't even picked it up. I hope this isn't winter already!
Every guy on the HD Forum who's gone to the "Dark Side" ( used a car tire on rear) swears by it. Better traction, better wear, better handling, etc. I'm going to try it. Any naysayer who hasn't actually DONE IT is talking out their ass.
i agree with "dont knock it till you try it", but damn this looks sketchy as hell. im going to need to see further testing and proof that its just as safe as a common motorcycle tire.
Then why dont bikes come like that from the factory like this? if its better in every way according to some guys on some forum. Have you ever ridden a bike with a squared off tire? how does that affect the handling?
Tire companies spend millions developing a tire for a car/bike. Who ever puts a car tire on a bike needs there head testing. The first thing insurance companies do in the event of an accident is check the tires. So carry on fitting car tires to your bike and lets see how quick you get paid out in an accident. You wont, even if your not at fault the other guys insurance will say it wasn't road legal. Thats here in the UK.
99% of car tires installed on GL1800 are run flat , so the sidewall is quite stiff (like a motorcycle tire) sure I wouldn't put one on a sportster bike , but on big touring bikes they seam to work fine, they are also installing them on sport touring bikes also, and don't knock it until you try it , I myself plan on installing a CT run flat on my spare rim soon. I like most said no friggin way, but I have changed my mind & will try it & if I don't like it is figured it only a $100 dollar loss.
I have NO idea what the heck that meant.... Show us one on a motorcycle tire too, so we can see discern your point ! I've been a dark Sider for 45 years...on every kind of road conditions you can think of..... I'll never go back to those inferior motorcycle rear tires...
Quite a stupid photoshop picture of one there. They handle fine. I have ridden them for 15 years. The most current - on a 2003 Harley Road King 35,000 miles, 2006 Kawasaki Nomad 44,000 miles, 2014 Indian Chief 5,000 so far. We have taken them up and down the famous Hana highway in the rain and with waterfalls here in Hawaii, on Maui, fully loaded and with passengers. They work perfectly and work better in the rain, better on dirt or gravel roads and they stop better. Car tires also has softer rubber for better grip and come with 50,000 miles warranty, 3lb more rubber and better steel belts than motorcycle tires. AND they cost about $90 for the best ones. They mount easily on the same tubeless rims. I use a Kumo ECSTA 195/60 R16 - 89v on my Indian Chief. I also use a REAR motorcycle tire on the front of the bike to make it handle even better and get 2lbs more rubber for the same size tire. I use a Kenda 130/90 16 74HTL on the front. PS. The Hana Highway on Maui has 600 turns, and 100 waterfalls that half of them fall right on the corners of the roads and bridges. It makes the DRAGON on the mainland look like a Kiddy Training Run. www.tourmaui.com/road-to-hana/
I could see how the tire weight might be harder on parts like belt and engine to turn it over. Seems like legit rationale for long distance travel in larger displacement bikes. I would probably avoid putting one on a bike that lives in the twisties. Just a thought, haven’t done it. BTW hello from the triple nickel.
YOu can FLY in the canyons. Same grip, same lean angles. I have several videos of my BMW K1600GT after going dark. I'll never go back. th-cam.com/video/wJPX9PBUBws/w-d-xo.html
This reminds me of those drag style slicks that came on some Stingray bicycles back in the '60s and '70s. I realize it wasn't a motorcycle, but it leaned over in the curves just great. I'm so sick of buying rear tires for my Goldwing that I might just try going darkside.
Does anyone know where to find information on " double darkside?" I ride a 1500 Valkyrie and I want to know what rear MC tire and size, makes a good front tire.
For over 22k miles on my Victory CCT. , I have had no problems running a Michelin primacy run flat. You have to learn how to countersteer more how to take corners with a better lean angle and be a better driver. Handling is perfect for touring , rain , tar snakes , bridges no problem. It's not for everyone but I can tell you this having four bikes they all corner differently. A car tire just needs practice and the right psi and you can drag boards on the dragon or ride forever in Florida .
Bike tires have different compounds. Sure. If you’re just cruising around and slow down on turns. You can use a car tire on a bike. But if you actually ride the bike like it was intended. The car tire will not support the rider. It will slide out. The flat shape, and stiffer compounds make a difference.
That's called a "darkside" tire. As it happens, I was watching videos about them not long ago. It works fine according to the people who do it. I wouldn't do it myself however since car tires are not designed to be used that way, or tested that way, so I think it would be a gamble.
Never have heard of anyone that has used a car tire have any issues with it. The only ones that say NOT to is the ones that have never used one. I have had mine on for 150,000 miles and love it I will never go back to buying motorcycle tires every 10,000 miles or so !!
Anyone curious about doing this should check out Fortnine's F9 channel. He goes into the science behind car and motorcycle tires and the effects of putting a car tire on a motorcycle. He is an experienced motorcyclist, so he has actual experience to draw from, not just theoretical science.
I’ve worked on motorcycles for a long time. . M/c tires have much stronger side walls then auto tires. Something to think about will my insurance cover me in an accident since I installed a tire not designed for motorcycles.
I'm running double darkside on my bike and I am very happy with it. I'm now running into a major hickup. I won't go back to the mechanic that installed my car tire originally. Had an issue with some other work that he did for me. I have a nail in my tire and need it patched. I can remove the wheel off of the bike, but I can't find anyone that will even remove the tire from the rim, let alone remount it! UGGGGH!
If you're still having an issue with the tire buy a Dynaplug. I caught a screw in my rear tire on the GL1800. The plug is still holding after 3 months. I've had it up to 90mph to test. I wouldn't travel without my Dynaplug.
Those that have installed a Voyager trike conversion kit will commonly "dark side" their rear tire on their motorcycle. This action is suggested by the manufacturer, mtcVoyager. Voyager riders commonly ride 3-4 wheel or 2 wheel. There has been no problem dark siding as far as insurance companies objecting.
I had a CT on my VTX1800 for about a week.. it sucked.. you could comfortably lean so far but then you felt like it wouldn't go any further.it also tracked around the humps in the road in a different manner...not for me.. maybe for slow highway putters.. but it would wheelie pretty easy with it on..
If running car tires on my FJR's is wrong I don't wanna be right.been doing it for quite a while now with no real issues.does it hold the road on curvy roads like a proper motorcycle tire? no.do I need a new one every six months for 2 or 300.00? no.does it square off on these long, straight, flat roads around here?no.do I have to muscle it around in parking lots and at slow speeds a little bit more?yes.does it tend to follow sunk in ruts in the black top a little bit more than a motorcycle tire and have to be a little more deliberate about getting out of it?yes.did I get used to it and hardly even notice anymore?yes.does it burn rubber if I hit second gear hard and make me think my clitch is slipping like the motorcycle tires did?no.do I care if people don't like it?no.
The handling on most bikes is very badly affected when a tyre squares off, so I'm not going to try it, but then over here we don't have the vast straight lines you do in the USA. Coincidentally it's not practiced in Europe at all.
not true, I'm riding my 2013 road glide with a Michelin in the back and I'm not alone trust me. more than 25 k per years....and it works very well for me.
I think it is time we got with some tire manufacturers and see what can be done about making a "special" car tire that can safely double as a motorcycle tire. Maybe Goodyear would like to tickle the water with their toes on this one. Pirelli and Michelin are already producing for both sides so why not colaborate. Small change to bead setup, maybe a bit rounder on the corners, sidewall changes either way.......just my $.02
I darksided my vtx 1800 and it corners just as good and rear braking has Improved greatly as long as you ha e the pressure dialed in I think better than mc
@ Your questions are totally nonsensical and the answers to them irrelevant. It is important that I already have several kilometers of darkside experience and laugh with idiots who regard their assumptions as truth, without having driven even a meter of darkside.
Each to his own but I'm not going to throw aside millions of dollars of development and compromise my safety to save a few bucks. I relish beating the system (you can cut the cost in half by doing the installation yourself) if I can but sometimes you have to wake up and smell the coffee.
jim wortham I totally agree with you and it extends far beyond tires. I say let those who ride decide. I just hope it doesn't limit or void a claim if you run auto tires on a motorcycle. Up here we have long winters and I was recently shopping for winter tires for my wife's car. One tire specialist said not to waste my money and only put winters on the front wheel drive end of the car. Other so called experts(tire dealers) said it would cause kick out on the other end. One even said it would void all insurance claims. I intend to investigate , firstly calling my insurance company.
I'd like to see some long term reviews comparing how well the dark side tire behaves against an identical bike with moto tires. Of course, that would require a magazine or similar organization to have enough guts to be willing to piss off their tire advertisers, and I just don't see that happening. I see many guys making comments that they think it is 'stupid', 'dangerous', etc... but yet they have no first-hand experience. I don't see these comments coming from guys who have actually tried riding with "the darkside". In fact, pretty much every comment, post, or opinion I've read from riders who have dared to try it has been positive. Would I do this? No, I only ride a few thousand miles a year, so I don't mind spending the extra money for peace of mind. Still, it would be interesting to see an unbiased study.
Great comment! I also wish to God that an unbiased, "real-world" comparison would be done with input from both sides of this debate. But you nailed the reason it won't happen: MONEY. Been running Dark for just over year. Took me 6 years of research to decide for myself.
Interesting you should say that about the motorcycle magazines being afraid to alienate their motorcycle tire advertisers. Someone above you posted a link to an article on the subject by an auto magazine, Road & Track, and they gave the idea a much fairer hearing than I've ever heard from anybody in the motorcycle business.
Installed one on my 05 Vulcan Classic. Went right in with no need for cutting. It rides way smoother, less bumps and shakes. Though the turns fell different. Now when I go into a lean I get that same filling I would get the first couple times you learn on your first bike trip. I believe that experience, it will pass and I will have saved myself hundreds on tires. I all of you future dark siders at the greatest lick on can spare to thwart the fear mongering being throw your way.. if you do only one thing, make that thing be to try it. I know I personally will never return to regular visit bike tires.
Cruisers handle as well or better on car tires than they do on motorcycle tires PROVIDED the rider takes the time to dial in the proper pressure for the application. There are tens of thousands of bikers running "darkside" putting millions of miles a year on these things, and in eight years I have been unable to find ONE verifiable documented case of an accident caused by a DOT-approved car tire on a motorbike. No beads unseating, no sidewalls blowing out, and no refusal of claims by insurance companies. Higher load rating, often a higher speed rating, deeper tread which directs more water away and gives greatly increased braking power, larger contact patch during cornering, and dramatically increased treadwear makes it attractive to many. Is it for lightweight sportbikes with 50 degree+ lean angles? NO! But it works great on heavy cruisers with lean angles up to 42 degrees (Goldwing). Most cruisers are only in the high 20s to low 30s. There are dozens of TH-cam videos that provide "proof of concept". Those who talk about bead and sidewall differences are "technically" correct, but in the real world, the .2" width and .1" lip height difference in beads is irrelevant due to the flexible rubber toe guard that actually contacts the bead, and there is adequate sidewall deflection to allow the tread to stay planted on the road without the tire "rolling over" onto the sidewall. And a little example of how far behind motorcycle tire tech is, there was a 40 year gap between the first radial on a car and the first on a bike. It may have closed up some, but it is still far behind the engineering that goes into a car tire.
Have one on my vtx 1300 now and it rides funny when shifting from left to right turns and vice-versa, at a certain point th bike wobbles in the back end, it feels like the tire side wall is moving or not holding up.
Hi i have watched a heap of video on the darkside ,a lot of guys are against it but those who use them say they handle just as good ,most are on big cruisers were you dont go scraping knees ect ,watched a guy here in western australia who was running one on his vulcan 2000 and did the same showed the tyres contact patch i think some people forget thats what you were doing was showing what it reacted like under normal operating conditions there are videos of guys doing the dragon on car tyres .
ben riding since 1964,i've rode and owned hundreds of bikes,as a rider and dealer,these tires will work on a scooter,which everyone they fit with no rub,no touching or chance of touching the bike,these tires or any tire only knows weight on it,if its overloaded it will fail,if it is not loaded to weight parameters it will ride high and bounce[bad],this could cause accidents quickly,car tires are heavier[weight]than a scooter tire,this soaks up fuel,if I were gonna run a tire[car] tire on a scooter,1 I have a load to carry,big wife,small wife big load,bags full etc,i would put a car tire on rear only,2 steer tire should match the design tread on rear,[forthought] running two car tires on the bike would take it out of the engineers design completely,then you are in unchartered waters,hope you don't drive over eighty for no reason,good luck,i buy stock,live with stock,parts are everywhere,and I want it just like the day I bought it,its why I bought it
Strattuner..... Really?!!?.... You've "rode and owned hundreds of bikes...." since 1964.... that's 54 years, so at the very least you've owned At Least TWO motorcycles Every year for these last 54 years of riding..... You're "The Man"!!! I'm 67 and didn't start riding again until 1988 after a 14 year hiatus, and I just recently bought my 4th motorcycle (2008 Yamaha Venture). I guess I've really led a very deprived motorcycle life, compared to you. : )
I've been thinking about heading over to the DS on my VTX 1800(looking at Michelin Hydroedge in a 205/65R16), but I'm worried there won't be enough patch on the road when aggressively corner carving through the mountains to have much fun, it's a tough choice to make, usually Dark side is GREAT for the straight away/drag, etc, but not so much for continued cornering. :\
no motorcycle tires around the shop. I'm sure if honda wanted to do that would've done that already i mean honda would what parts work on their motorcycles i would think.
i think if you do mostly interstate straight rode riding it would be ok but if you like to ride curvy roads its asking for trouble when your leaning the bike and hit the egde of the tire it would be easy to lay the bike down when you run out of tread hitting the edge of the tire i like to ride my bike like a bike so ill spend the extra for a real bike tire
Whether or not you prefer to go dark side main fact we at motorcycles are being ripped off by MC tower companies 11 12,000 miles is ludicrous I have not gone dark side as of yet but probably will in the near future
Question- Would you have a car tire at the front and rear? Plus if you had one on the front , how would it effect the steering? Sounds like one for the myth busters!
django r You put one on the rear although there are a number of people putting the. On the front as well. You can go to the darkside web site to fine out the sizes and tires others are using for your particular make and model bike
When I was active on the Delphi Darkside forum, one of the older members ran Car tires on front and back just after the war. In his neighborhood of S. Dakota it was all he could find.
This is a terrible idea if not for the simple fact that you can be denied insurance or be liable for damage caused by a crash which will be blamed on improper tires
All I know is I see many different videos of bikes running the Tail of the Dragon with cameras on the rear tire. If you can run that stretch of road I really don't want to hear your opinion on "The Handling".
Wayne Adams between 2015 and 2017, 37% of the reported single motorcycle accidents on the tail were running a car tire. That was 1607 accidents out of 4,345. 1943 of the total single motorcycle accidents were riders with less than 3 years riding time, none of those new riders had car tires. 835 single motorcycle accidents had experienced riders and proper tires per info collected by NHTSA. The riders of the tail in 2017 were also asked at both stops to do a survey asking what tire/setup they road and what motorcycle they were riding. Only 18% of the 18,347 surveys submitted were running a car type tire on the rear. Of those 3,302 motorcycles in 2017 who responded “car tire,” all had over 3 years riding experience and all listed riding style as “casual.” So, the Majority of riders do not run car tires, yet the VAST majority of single motorcycle accidents of experienced riders on the tail ARE running car tires. The info clearly shows, Car Tires do not work on motorcycles. So...the Physics are against it, the Statistics are against it, What else do you need?
@@JonnyBabyaka I have been looking for the source of your claim. Not to be argumentative, but because I'm seriously considering going darkside, I have a friend who has pictures of him scraping pegs on a VTX 1800 on the Tail of the Dragon. He swears by it. So I'm not arguing your statistics, I'd just like to see the source so I can make my own opinion on it. Thank you.
@@JonnyBabyaka can you provide where you found these stats. I’ve done some searching but can’t find any data on what tires were on motorcycles when they had an accident. Tks
It has it's benefits and I never found any negative effects after switching to a car tire. I've been riding my VT1100 for over 20 years and I forget I even have a car tire on it. It handles as good as a bike tire did (I had Metzlers on it), It stops without sliding sideways, it handles a lot better in the rain and it last 3 times as long, so I think I'll keep using them. And mine cost $73 if I remember correctly, so that's another plus. The squared of idea is a joke and doesn't effect the ride. It's a stupid myth that keeps coming up and those who haven't used one just plain don't know, so don't comment.
Ive been riding basically all my life started out dirt bike racing as a kid. And have had several bikes put a car tire on my 1700 vaqaro and it made it wobbly and got rid of it worst thing i done
car tires lack strength near the side wall because they dont ride there as much as the tread, where a motorcycle is much beffier near and on the side wall becuase thats wear they are ridden on. Yes a car tire will offer traction, but it is most definitely not a good choice. It will break down in composition and strength much faster and have a much higher chance of causing a blowout and possible injury. Motorcycle tires are expensive for a reason, They are built to handle the abuse of motorcycle riding.
Strange, my local shop did. I got 20,000 miles per General Altimax. I might also point out that there is NO wear on the sidewall of the car tire. Do you speak from ignorance or arrogance?
joejjohnston72 It's perfectly fine on a big touring bike. Just don't get the 80k plus tire the rubber is to hard. Just get a 40 to 45k mile tire and it will last like no other.
If you're gonna try it at least get the right type of tire! The tire going used looks like an asymmetrical tire...meaning the outside tread design (outboard) differs from the inside this is designed for improved cornering and wet traction ON A CAR. At least use a directional tire or a symmetrical tire...
Yeah, I live in northern Wyoming right at the feet of the Bighorn Mountain range...lots of switchbacks and tight curves. I've crashed, burned, died, and exploded dozens of times since putting a car tire on my bike. Oh, no, wait...I meant to say I've had to replace the "feelers" on my V Star 1300s floorboards since mounting a car tire. So I don't really have to think about it, I actually do it and enjoy it instead of posting ignorant blather.
When that bike leans there is almost no rubber touching the ground. Its bad enough with a motorcycle tire but a car tire? I think I will stick to the proper equipment even if I have to spend a little bit more for it. If you can afford a bike for over 30 grand you should be able to afford a tire. This is in the USA, a very sue happy country. When the accident takes place some lawyer will argue that SRK cycles sold an unapproved bike and win a whole bunch of money for the victims. Ride safe everyone.
NEW IDEAS ARE ALWAYS CRITISIZED BY THE MASSES WHO WOULD ONLY FOLLOW THE OTHER SHEEP .. WE DONT PROGRESS UNLESS WE TRY NEW IDEAS .......! I LOVE MY CAR TIRE ON MY BIKE AND DONT HAVE TO REPLACE IT EVERY 5000 MILES ...
I love the car tire on both my bikes and have 13 years and over 70K of experience on them. I will never go back to a MC tire unless I cannot get a CT that fits.
I ride mine in the rain all the time on two darkside bikes, traction is greatly improved. Car tires are designed to channel water away plus you have a larger tire patch in contact with the road. I feel much more confident on a CT in the rain than I ever did on a motorcycle tire.
Rain and wet pavement was the reason I got rid of the Michelin Commander II after just 4k miles. The Dunlops fair better. But nothing beats my CT. Mounted a Toyo CT and always have good traction. The contact patch argument has been addressed. Just as much patch or more with a CT. th-cam.com/video/PZ_d5IIdRZI/w-d-xo.html
I have and never again will i pay $400 for a motorcycle tire . I put the cheapest wal mart car tire i can find and its all around soooo much better rides alot smoother brakes better on wet road more traction so alot better handling and 50 000 km before i change it
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I don't care if a car tire on a motorcycle is right or wrong, I can listen to this video all day long! Thank you sir!
Been running a 205 width Kuhmo tire on my Honda Shadow for years now and love it. It handles the same as a bike tire. It should last about 3 times longer. It has a lot better traction in the rain and better stopping power. (sticks like glue!) They are a lot cheaper, about 1/2 the price of a bike tire. They may not be for everyone, but I don't think I'll ever go back to a bike tire on the rear anymore.
Painter D I've just got a 2007 shadow, could you tell me what the details of the tyre you are? Cheers.
Cool just ordered one for my 2014 kawasaki 1700 nomad
I had a Kumho Ecsta SPT on my ‘07 GoldWing for 7 years and over 25K miles, without incident, aired at 35 psi! Now, I’m gonna install a Bridgestone Driveguard 195/55RF16 87V tomorrow, for my rear tire, thanks to Chris Caliente (YT Channel)! I won’t waste my time nor my money on motorcycle tires!
Last about 3 times longer ❤
they actually stick less, bike tires are softer compound to stick to the road better, car tires are hard compound so thats why it last longer but gives less traction. also a wider tire such as a car tire will more prone to hydro plane in rain so its prob way less traction in wet weather. I aint telling u not to run one, but just stating facts in case other ppl are researching using a car tire. Also some insurance companies will not honor your claim if u use a car tire if u crash.
Im here to tell you that I put 92k on my 2012 level 3 Goldwing on car tires. Im 54 at the time of this posting and ride with 4 guys. 1 Hyabusa, 2 FJRs 1 Vstrom. OtherS join occasionally. 5 or 6 hundred mile days are childs play. We are called "advanced" by new comers. Not sure what that means. I think it means too fast. We rode and ride all the named roads of nc, sc, va, tn, ga and wv regularly. They are a little faster than I am, but I always have them in sight and have scraped the boards many times. There are some handling differences not difficulties. There is slightly more pressure on the bars required when leaning over. And when the tire catches a groove in the road .. riding along that groove is a little more "evident". Bike tires do the same thing but more subtly. These are the only two caveats. I challenge anyone here to find me real data that supports a crash due to a car tire install. At the same time, I make the same challenge to see how many bike tire failures caused a crash. You can email me at chrisofv@gmail.com when you've found the data
Chris, don't lose sleep waiting for an answer. I've posted the challenge on many TH-cam videos for anyone to provide the crash evidence too. Nothing. NOT ONE.
And you know if that police report or news article existed it would be plastered on every dealership service wall in the country... right next to their $380 Dunlop tire.
I hear ya Doug. I have searched myself. Im a network engineer by trade. I tried to search every way I could think of and havent found 1 report of a crash and burn !
"Limited" in what way? Don't take your zero experience assumptions for the truth.
Limited? You are a joker.
You know if that information existed, insurance companies would use it to avoid payouts. People have forgotten that in their infancy, motorbikes used car and bicycle tires, because that is all that existed. I truely believe this discussion if whether or not it's safe is overshadowing the need in the community for better touring tires.
For the record, there is NO DATA that exists on a single failure of a car tire on a motorcycle, due to the USE of a car tire.
Also, there are no known insurance agencies that will refuse a claim due to the USE of a car tire in the US.
Put 110k on my 05 Goldwing using run flat car tires. A little more counter steering especially on off camber roads or driveways but worked awesome!!
You must have rode 25 mph
@@sigmund3413 an ignorant and unexperienced opinion is a useless one.
@@sigmund3413 you must be a donkey.
I have a car tire on the back of my Roadliner. Your riding style pretty much dictates whether or not this is the mod you want to make to your bike. If you're a rider that likes scraping pegs or boards in every curve, then this might not be the best choice for you. I am fully capable of navigating a twisty road but I understand that my tire choice limits my speeds and lean angle in some sharper curves. I'm not looking to do a bunch of leaning and scraping so going a little slower in the curves is typically how I ride anyway. Majority of my riding is long and fairly straight stretches of freeway. A car tire on the back of a tourer/cruiser is excellent for that. By doing this mod I'm not looking at forking over cash for a new tire every 6000 miles because it's worn flat in the middle.
Look, this is the internet. There is no place for reasonable comments.
Jonathan Norris isn't it still unsafe because you can't turn sharply to avoid things
If you don't want to lean, then why the fuck did you buy a motorcycle?!?!? POSER!!!
@@roscocsa lmao I know right
@@drock6627 not everyone is a street rosi doesn t make them a power bikes weren't racing vehicles to start they were cruzers naybe you're the poser lol
i ran several thousand miles on a low profile car tire on a vtx 1800.never had an issue.it actually seemed to handle better in the curves.i live in west virginia.there's not a straight road around.i rode all the time with these "pro's" who said how stupid i was .never had the first problem.it rode better,felt way more safer riding on wet roads
darin marr What year/model 1800? What is the stock size tire, and what size car tire did you go to ?
cae021, a 2003 r model vtx. i used a 205/65-16 low profile car tire on the vtx stock rim. that was as big a tire i could get on it without modifying fender,etc.
Yeah, you never had a problem until you have a problem...
i just bought a 2004 vtx1800r and im thinking about running a ct hell i already ordered it but im kinda having 2nd thoughts. the tire it has is so worn it pretty much flat like a ct tire. i order a hankook opitmo h426 205/65r15. im going to use this bike for commuting. i have a cbr600rr for the twisties.
this is my first cruiser so im trying to decide if i should go with the me888 or the ct tire.
the vtx1800r has some power but its slow compared to my cbr600rr. so it not the power im concerned about.
anyone ever ran on me888 and a ct darkside tire. can you give me some comparisons about them. thanks.
@@dejonsmall9886 I passed as guy on a Road Glide that was setting on I-71 in Ohio with a rear MOTORCYCLE tire blown all to shit with 3K miles on it. I have a 2018 Heritage classic with 4K miles that had the rear tire split around the dia of the sidewall, not from the rim to the contact point so I guess I me and the road glide guy both had those problems you speak of, with motorcycle tires under 4K miles.
Down voted because you didn't talk about how it handled!
Southerneagle83...... yes, he did talk about the handling of it with the CT, in a previous video... before he mounted a camera under the bike for this video... the more he rode it, the more he liked it, and he said he noticed No difference whatsoever in cornering with the way he rides.
I can tell you from my own experience, starting with a 1982 Wing, and putting over 71, 380+ miles on it with a CT, and now with my current 2002 VTX 1800C and nearly 40,000 miles on it with a CT, that I will Never go back to a "MC" tire on the rear again.
I can see and understand a "MC" tire on the rear if your "road racing" or "cafe" racing on the Isle of Man or something.... scraping peg/foot boards and frame in the curves.... but for "normal" riding, and just out for the love of motorcycling and enjoying all that it entails, without feeling the need to show everyone how you can take 30mph curves at 70mph (re; Stupidity!)..... then CT's will be one of the best investments for your bike and yourself that you can make.
I can also tell you that with a CT on the rear, there is a very noticeable difference in the handling in wet or even slightly snowing conditions (if you happen to get caught in such a situation)..... they are supremely BETTER in those situations, much more stable!!.... as I said, I will Never go back to a "MC" rear tire again.... as far as I'm concerned, as well as many, Many others who have switched over.... the CT's for the rear are far more superior in numerous ways.... unless, as I pointed out above.... your into high speed racing with really tight turns at high speeds, and really laying over on the curves and turns..... otherwise, I'll take a CT anyday on a "cruiser", "touring" or any other large bike.
Fine if the road is flat,however at slow speeds if the road surface has dips end valleys from traffic and heavy trucks the tire will turn the bike with the contour and you don't know which way your going.Ran one for 26000 miles on a stratoliner.Never again.
@@robertsundberg4495 you are definitely not a bike rider, stay home cook, clean and don't let a draft blow up your skirt...👍
@@ktm-ns6we We cant all be macho morbidly obese tough biker guys like you.
@@robertsundberg4495 that kind of happens regardless of the tire, I'm not sure why a car tire would be any worse then a bike. Any type of groove or crack has the potential of steering you off course, more about the front tire in my experience.
thank you for letting me see how this handled
The 1969 HD FLH was originally sold darkside.
Sean, I just ordered my first dark side tire for a motorcycle. I just bought a Michelin Premier A/S 195/55R-16 for my 2016 Honda F6B Deluxe. I ride a LOT, and am so tired of going through 3 rear tires every year. I am hoping to cut that down to just one rear tire now every 18 months or so. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for all of the videos you do! Your videos actually helped me decide on going Honda.
Hey. Any updates on the tire?
@@beetlejuice3x309 Yup! I am replacing that tire tomorrow morning! I got 26,000 miles on it, and although the edges are still plenty good, the center is worn down to the tread wear indicators. I found the tire to be amazing, though. I got 26k miles outta it, and 1 year - whereas I would have gone through 5 motorcycle tires in the same span. It rode like a dream - smooth, quiet, incredible grip and traction in ALL conditions, including light snow. I ride year-round no matter what. I'm replacing this tire with a tire I found with an incredible tread pattern that I wanna try out. Vredestein Quatrac 195/55R16. Looks like it should provide excellent grip in all conditions. I'm pulling the Michelin off tomorrow (9/13/21) and installing the new tire.
@@ace1usmc how are you liking the Vredestein? I have a vstar 1100 classic I just replaced the front with a MC tire but I'm thinking of going CT on the rear. I'm new to motorcycles but this makes a lot of sense to me. Might as well learn to ride it from the start. Thoughts?
@@coyoteodie4458 if you are brand new to riding, then I would actually tell you to get some more experience with the bike with MT's on it. Wait until you are experienced enough to make the bike do what you want it to do under you. Then, absolutely - make the switch. I am loving the Vredestein even more than I loved the Michelin. It's actually smoother and quieter than the Michelin. And I believe the tread pattern will be FAR superior in wet and light snow. Just look at the tread pattern on the Vredestein, and you'll see what I mean. Still, the Michelin did great for me. I got 26,340 miles out of it, and could have probably gone much further if I had dialed in the tire pressure correctly. I would have gone through 4-5 MT tires in the same span, not to mention the fact that so many times I've worn out tires in the middle of a cross-country ride and hadda pay exorbitant dealership prices while on the road. That's all in the past now.
@@ace1usmc thankyou for the quick reply. I will follow your advice and go with an MC tire for at least this first go round. Get one learning curve behind me before I trying the next also makes sense. Put the bike in the shop for carb tune and its been raining for the 3 days since then. Haven't even picked it up. I hope this isn't winter already!
I'm glad someone did this.
Every guy on the HD Forum who's gone to the "Dark Side" ( used a car tire on rear) swears by it. Better traction, better wear, better handling, etc. I'm going to try it. Any naysayer who hasn't actually DONE IT is talking out their ass.
i agree with "dont knock it till you try it", but damn this looks sketchy as hell. im going to need to see further testing and proof that its just as safe as a common motorcycle tire.
Then why dont bikes come like that from the factory like this? if its better in every way according to some guys on some forum.
Have you ever ridden a bike with a squared off tire? how does that affect the handling?
Conor Tobin toss one on a bike and tell us how it goes lol
“Better handling” that’s hilarious
Tire companies spend millions developing a tire for a car/bike. Who ever puts a car tire on a bike needs there head testing. The first thing insurance companies do in the event of an accident is check the tires. So carry on fitting car tires to your bike and lets see how quick you get paid out in an accident. You wont, even if your not at fault the other guys insurance will say it wasn't road legal. Thats here in the UK.
99% of car tires installed on GL1800 are run flat , so the sidewall is quite stiff (like a motorcycle tire) sure I wouldn't put one on a sportster bike , but on big touring bikes they seam to work fine, they are also installing them on sport touring bikes also, and don't knock it until you try it , I myself plan on installing a CT run flat on my spare rim soon. I like most said no friggin way, but I have changed my mind & will try it & if I don't like it is figured it only a $100 dollar loss.
Supposed to say sport bikes
Would you please tell me the brand and size car tire your using on your GL1800! Thank you
I have NO idea what the heck that meant....
Show us one on a motorcycle tire too, so we can see discern your point !
I've been a dark Sider for 45 years...on every kind of road conditions you can think of.....
I'll never go back to those inferior motorcycle rear tires...
Lot's of people smoke cigarettes too, it's their right. Who cares?
Quite a stupid photoshop picture of one there. They handle fine. I have ridden them for 15 years. The most current - on a 2003 Harley Road King 35,000 miles, 2006 Kawasaki Nomad 44,000 miles, 2014 Indian Chief 5,000 so far. We have taken them up and down the famous Hana highway in the rain and with waterfalls here in Hawaii, on Maui, fully loaded and with passengers. They work perfectly and work better in the rain, better on dirt or gravel roads and they stop better. Car tires also has softer rubber for better grip and come with 50,000 miles warranty, 3lb more rubber and better steel belts than motorcycle tires. AND they cost about $90 for the best ones. They mount easily on the same tubeless rims. I use a Kumo ECSTA 195/60 R16 - 89v on my Indian Chief. I also use a REAR motorcycle tire on the front of the bike to make it handle even better and get 2lbs more rubber for the same size tire. I use a Kenda 130/90 16 74HTL on the front.
PS. The Hana Highway on Maui has 600 turns, and 100 waterfalls that half of them fall right on the corners of the roads and bridges. It makes the DRAGON on the mainland look like a Kiddy Training Run.
www.tourmaui.com/road-to-hana/
I have an 05 king custom... What size car tire fits on these. It's an mu85 b16 Dunlop on there factory
@Steve McLaughin, serious question, what size car tire do you run on the '03 Road King ?
Since I only ride sport bikes, the first thing that came to mind was the speed rating of car tires. In this case, the answer is an easy no.
Do they not make tires for fast cars?
@@graciejjpractitioner they do, but I think those kinda tires have wider and flatter profile.
I wouldn't put a car tire on any but a heavyweight cruiser or touring bike.
Can you make a video of a bike tyre on car wheels? Thanks
I could see how the tire weight might be harder on parts like belt and engine to turn it over. Seems like legit rationale for long distance travel in larger displacement bikes. I would probably avoid putting one on a bike that lives in the twisties. Just a thought, haven’t done it. BTW hello from the triple nickel.
YOu can FLY in the canyons. Same grip, same lean angles. I have several videos of my BMW K1600GT after going dark. I'll never go back. th-cam.com/video/wJPX9PBUBws/w-d-xo.html
This reminds me of those drag style slicks that came on some Stingray bicycles back in the '60s and '70s. I realize it wasn't a motorcycle, but it leaned over in the curves just great. I'm so sick of buying rear tires for my Goldwing that I might just try going darkside.
Better on the frozen creeks we played on as kids too
Does anyone know where to find information on " double darkside?"
I ride a 1500 Valkyrie and I want to know what rear MC tire and size, makes a good front tire.
After 2 years on my vn2000 I went and also put one on my other vn2000.
For over 22k miles on my Victory CCT. , I have had no problems running a Michelin primacy run flat. You have to learn how to countersteer more how to take corners with a better lean angle and be a better driver.
Handling is perfect for touring , rain , tar snakes , bridges no problem.
It's not for everyone but I can tell you this having four bikes they all corner differently. A car tire just needs practice and the right psi and you can drag boards on the dragon or ride forever in Florida .
Just that duckwalk is funny ... and your shoes
Bike tires have different compounds. Sure. If you’re just cruising around and slow down on turns. You can use a car tire on a bike.
But if you actually ride the bike like it was intended. The car tire will not support the rider. It will slide out. The flat shape, and stiffer compounds make a difference.
That's called a "darkside" tire. As it happens, I was watching videos about them not long ago. It works fine according to the people who do it. I wouldn't do it myself however since car tires are not designed to be used that way, or tested that way, so I think it would be a gamble.
Sorry but from that point of view the tire was in the way, in fact the only thing I could see was the tire.
Never have heard of anyone that has used a car tire have any issues with it. The only ones that say NOT to is the ones that have never used one. I have had mine on for 150,000 miles and love it I will never go back to buying motorcycle tires every 10,000 miles or so !!
This man sounds like he knows what he is talking about
Anyone curious about doing this should check out Fortnine's F9 channel. He goes into the science behind car and motorcycle tires and the effects of putting a car tire on a motorcycle. He is an experienced motorcyclist, so he has actual experience to draw from, not just theoretical science.
I’ve worked on motorcycles for a long time. . M/c tires have much stronger side walls then auto tires. Something to think about
will my insurance cover me in an accident since I installed a tire not designed for motorcycles.
I watched his video and he does a good job. But he is talking theory and not actual practice. The cons he describes just don't happen.
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UUUUUU why would a tire designed for a 500 lb bike have stronger sidewalls than a tire designed for a 6,000 lb car 🤔?@@sigmund3413
I'm running double darkside on my bike and I am very happy with it. I'm now running into a major hickup. I won't go back to the mechanic that installed my car tire originally. Had an issue with some other work that he did for me. I have a nail in my tire and need it patched. I can remove the wheel off of the bike, but I can't find anyone that will even remove the tire from the rim, let alone remount it! UGGGGH!
If you're still having an issue with the tire buy a Dynaplug. I caught a screw in my rear tire on the GL1800. The plug is still holding after 3 months. I've had it up to 90mph to test. I wouldn't travel without my Dynaplug.
Those that have installed a Voyager trike conversion kit will commonly "dark side" their rear tire on their motorcycle. This action is suggested by the manufacturer, mtcVoyager. Voyager riders commonly ride 3-4 wheel or 2 wheel. There has been no problem dark siding as far as insurance companies objecting.
would love to see a burnout from that view
I had a CT on my VTX1800 for about a week.. it sucked.. you could comfortably lean so far but then you felt like it wouldn't go any further.it also tracked around the humps in the road in a different manner...not for me.. maybe for slow highway putters.. but it would wheelie pretty easy with it on..
Depends on the application and on the motorcycle.
If running car tires on my FJR's is wrong I don't wanna be right.been doing it for quite a while now with no real issues.does it hold the road on curvy roads like a proper motorcycle tire? no.do I need a new one every six months for 2 or 300.00? no.does it square off on these long, straight, flat roads around here?no.do I have to muscle it around in parking lots and at slow speeds a little bit more?yes.does it tend to follow sunk in ruts in the black top a little bit more than a motorcycle tire and have to be a little more deliberate about getting out of it?yes.did I get used to it and hardly even notice anymore?yes.does it burn rubber if I hit second gear hard and make me think my clitch is slipping like the motorcycle tires did?no.do I care if people don't like it?no.
Howdy from Corpus Christi Texas. Outstanding video 👍 👍
The handling on most bikes is very badly affected when a tyre squares off, so I'm not going to try it, but then over here we don't have the vast straight lines you do in the USA. Coincidentally it's not practiced in Europe at all.
any responsible bikeshop testing a bike or tire's should wear at last motorcycle gear and no sneakers
not true, I'm riding my 2013 road glide with a Michelin in the back and I'm not alone trust me. more than 25 k per years....and it works very well for me.
by the way, I'm riding most of the time in Europe (France based)
I think it is time we got with some tire manufacturers and see what can be done about making a "special" car tire that can safely double as a motorcycle tire. Maybe Goodyear would like to tickle the water with their toes on this one. Pirelli and Michelin are already producing for both sides so why not colaborate. Small change to bead setup, maybe a bit rounder on the corners, sidewall changes either way.......just my $.02
I darksided my vtx 1800 and it corners just as good and rear braking has Improved greatly as long as you ha e the pressure dialed in I think better than mc
Car tyres on a bike are just as safe as the rider's trainers (sneakers) and bare ankles.
What is your darkside experience, and riding experience in general?
@@corneilcorneil Are you taking resumes? What is your age and education?
@ Your questions are totally nonsensical and the answers to them irrelevant.
It is important that I already have several kilometers of darkside experience and laugh with idiots who regard their assumptions as truth, without having driven even a meter of darkside.
@ You sound a bit narcissistic ... and funny. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ Dunning-Kruger case detected ... you fail so hard.
Each to his own but I'm not going to throw aside millions of dollars of development and compromise my safety to save a few bucks. I relish beating the system (you can cut the cost in half by doing the installation yourself) if I can but sometimes you have to wake up and smell the coffee.
We are being ripped off by MC tire companies
jim wortham I totally agree with you and it extends far beyond tires. I say let those who ride decide. I just hope it doesn't limit or void a claim if you run auto tires on a motorcycle. Up here we have long winters and I was recently shopping for winter tires for my wife's car. One tire specialist said not to waste my money and only put winters on the front wheel drive end of the car. Other so called experts(tire dealers) said it would cause kick out on the other end. One even said it would void all insurance claims. I intend to investigate , firstly calling my insurance company.
I'd like to see some long term reviews comparing how well the dark side tire behaves against an identical bike with moto tires. Of course, that would require a magazine or similar organization to have enough guts to be willing to piss off their tire advertisers, and I just don't see that happening.
I see many guys making comments that they think it is 'stupid', 'dangerous', etc... but yet they have no first-hand experience. I don't see these comments coming from guys who have actually tried riding with "the darkside". In fact, pretty much every comment, post, or opinion I've read from riders who have dared to try it has been positive.
Would I do this? No, I only ride a few thousand miles a year, so I don't mind spending the extra money for peace of mind. Still, it would be interesting to see an unbiased study.
the same companies that make the motorcycle tires also make the car tires, they dont care what you buy as long as you buy it from them
Great comment! I also wish to God that an unbiased, "real-world" comparison would be done with input from both sides of this debate. But you nailed the reason it won't happen: MONEY.
Been running Dark for just over year. Took me 6 years of research to decide for myself.
Interesting you should say that about the motorcycle magazines being afraid to alienate their motorcycle tire advertisers. Someone above you posted a link to an article on the subject by an auto magazine, Road & Track, and they gave the idea a much fairer hearing than I've ever heard from anybody in the motorcycle business.
Installed one on my 05 Vulcan Classic. Went right in with no need for cutting. It rides way smoother, less bumps and shakes. Though the turns fell different. Now when I go into a lean I get that same filling I would get the first couple times you learn on your first bike trip. I believe that experience, it will pass and I will have saved myself hundreds on tires. I all of you future dark siders at the greatest lick on can spare to thwart the fear mongering being throw your way.. if you do only one thing, make that thing be to try it. I know I personally will never return to regular visit bike tires.
JC illiterate.
Cruisers handle as well or better on car tires than they do on motorcycle tires PROVIDED the rider takes the time to dial in the proper pressure for the application. There are tens of thousands of bikers running "darkside" putting millions of miles a year on these things, and in eight years I have been unable to find ONE verifiable documented case of an accident caused by a DOT-approved car tire on a motorbike. No beads unseating, no sidewalls blowing out, and no refusal of claims by insurance companies. Higher load rating, often a higher speed rating, deeper tread which directs more water away and gives greatly increased braking power, larger contact patch during cornering, and dramatically increased treadwear makes it attractive to many. Is it for lightweight sportbikes with 50 degree+ lean angles? NO! But it works great on heavy cruisers with lean angles up to 42 degrees (Goldwing). Most cruisers are only in the high 20s to low 30s. There are dozens of TH-cam videos that provide "proof of concept". Those who talk about bead and sidewall differences are "technically" correct, but in the real world, the .2" width and .1" lip height difference in beads is irrelevant due to the flexible rubber toe guard that actually contacts the bead, and there is adequate sidewall deflection to allow the tread to stay planted on the road without the tire "rolling over" onto the sidewall. And a little example of how far behind motorcycle tire tech is, there was a 40 year gap between the first radial on a car and the first on a bike. It may have closed up some, but it is still far behind the engineering that goes into a car tire.
Whuta great video!
Thanks !!
Have one on my vtx 1300 now and it rides funny when shifting from left to right turns and vice-versa, at a certain point th bike wobbles in the back end, it feels like the tire side wall is moving or not holding up.
Would you only use a car tire on the back or could you use one on the front also?
This is what happens when motorcycle tires give us only 1/2 the depth of tread that they should and wear out twice as fast as they should.
Hi i have watched a heap of video on the darkside ,a lot of guys are against it but those who use them say they handle just as good ,most are on big cruisers were you dont go scraping knees ect ,watched a guy here in western australia who was running one on his vulcan 2000 and did the same showed the tyres contact patch i think some people forget thats what you were doing was showing what it reacted like under normal operating conditions there are videos of guys doing the dragon on car tyres .
ben riding since 1964,i've rode and owned hundreds of bikes,as a rider and dealer,these tires will work on a scooter,which everyone they fit with no rub,no touching or chance of touching the bike,these tires or any tire only knows weight on it,if its overloaded it will fail,if it is not loaded to weight parameters it will ride high and bounce[bad],this could cause accidents quickly,car tires are heavier[weight]than a scooter tire,this soaks up fuel,if I were gonna run a tire[car] tire on a scooter,1 I have a load to carry,big wife,small wife big load,bags full etc,i would put a car tire on rear only,2 steer tire should match the design tread on rear,[forthought] running two car tires on the bike would take it out of the engineers design completely,then you are in unchartered waters,hope you don't drive over eighty for no reason,good luck,i buy stock,live with stock,parts are everywhere,and I want it just like the day I bought it,its why I bought it
Spaces go after commas. Sentences start with capitals, and holy crap how much cocaine did you snort before typing this?
Strattuner..... Really?!!?.... You've "rode and owned hundreds of bikes...." since 1964.... that's 54 years, so at the very least you've owned At Least TWO motorcycles Every year for these last 54 years of riding..... You're "The Man"!!!
I'm 67 and didn't start riding again until 1988 after a 14 year hiatus, and I just recently bought my 4th motorcycle (2008 Yamaha Venture). I guess I've really led a very deprived motorcycle life, compared to you. : )
Thank you!
The Car Tire compound makes the most difference' some brands/model's are actually way softer then others_ Imo' Go with the most grip!🌐
I've been thinking about heading over to the DS on my VTX 1800(looking at Michelin Hydroedge in a 205/65R16), but I'm worried there won't be enough patch on the road when aggressively corner carving through the mountains to have much fun, it's a tough choice to make, usually Dark side is GREAT for the straight away/drag, etc, but not so much for continued cornering. :\
Can you put motorcycle tires in car wheels?
I feel you have your Tyre pressure a little too high mine flexes more at 28psi
Hi. Could you tell me what size tire you are using on the Goldwing which is a car?
195-55-16 or 185-55-16 air pressure 45 ~ 50 psi
All you peeps in the comments writing huge novels about car tires, you must be the life of that party.
no motorcycle tires around the shop. I'm sure if honda wanted to do that would've done that already i mean honda would what parts work on their motorcycles i would think.
Honda wants whats best for their bike. People want what's best for their pocket.
Im sure the concept isnt hard to grasp.
i think if you do mostly interstate straight rode riding it would be ok but if you like to ride curvy roads its asking for trouble when your leaning the bike and hit the egde of the tire it would be easy to lay the bike down when you run out of tread hitting the edge of the tire i like to ride my bike like a bike so ill spend the extra for a real bike tire
This is not true. The bike does not fall over when cornering. I can tell no difference with the car tire on my Goldwing.
How do you find it leaning over!?
Whether or not you prefer to go dark side main fact we at motorcycles are being ripped off by MC tower companies 11 12,000 miles is ludicrous I have not gone dark side as of yet but probably will in the near future
short answer: yes
I did it in 1983 and ran it with no issues until 1985.
you just gotta get used to the handling.
No brainer...NOOO
Question- Would you have a car tire at the front and rear? Plus if you had one on the front , how would it effect the steering? Sounds like one for the myth busters!
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You put one on the rear although there are a number of people putting the. On the front as well. You can go to the darkside web site to fine out the sizes and tires others are using for your particular make and model bike
When I was active on the Delphi Darkside forum, one of the older members ran Car tires on front and back just after the war. In his neighborhood of S. Dakota it was all he could find.
So I guess the verdict about using car tyres on motorbikes is that it works !
Yep
This is a terrible idea if not for the simple fact that you can be denied insurance or be liable for damage caused by a crash which will be blamed on improper tires
Johnny don't know what you are talking about,a car tire if properly rated and inflated is safer.they are made better,
What is the brand and size of the car tire that was installed and tested?
It is good if you dont drift or try to lean
All I know is I see many different videos of bikes running the Tail of the Dragon with cameras on the rear tire. If you can run that stretch of road I really don't want to hear your opinion on "The Handling".
Wayne Adams between 2015 and 2017, 37% of the reported single motorcycle accidents on the tail were running a car tire. That was 1607 accidents out of 4,345. 1943 of the total single motorcycle accidents were riders with less than 3 years riding time, none of those new riders had car tires. 835 single motorcycle accidents had experienced riders and proper tires per info collected by NHTSA.
The riders of the tail in 2017 were also asked at both stops to do a survey asking what tire/setup they road and what motorcycle they were riding. Only 18% of the 18,347 surveys submitted were running a car type tire on the rear. Of those 3,302 motorcycles in 2017 who responded “car tire,” all had over 3 years riding experience and all listed riding style as “casual.”
So, the Majority of riders do not run car tires, yet the VAST majority of single motorcycle accidents of experienced riders on the tail ARE running car tires.
The info clearly shows, Car Tires do not work on motorcycles.
So...the Physics are against it, the Statistics are against it, What else do you need?
@@JonnyBabyaka I have been looking for the source of your claim. Not to be argumentative, but because I'm seriously considering going darkside, I have a friend who has pictures of him scraping pegs on a VTX 1800 on the Tail of the Dragon. He swears by it.
So I'm not arguing your statistics, I'd just like to see the source so I can make my own opinion on it.
Thank you.
@@JonnyBabyaka can you provide where you found these stats. I’ve done some searching but can’t find any data on what tires were on motorcycles when they had an accident. Tks
@@JonnyBabyaka Made up stats, good job.
@@MFingChuck three years later. Lmao
According to my Boeing engineer and racer brother in law, it's a bad idea, it throws the front geometry off, can cause unexcepted surprises.
Thank you for wasting my time. You should have called this 6 minutes of looking at a tire...
Could not tell from the view, but was that tire white side wall?
does it pull to one side?
It has it's benefits and I never found any negative effects after switching to a car tire. I've been riding my VT1100 for over 20 years and I forget I even have a car tire on it. It handles as good as a bike tire did (I had Metzlers on it), It stops without sliding sideways, it handles a lot better in the rain and it last 3 times as long, so I think I'll keep using them. And mine cost $73 if I remember correctly, so that's another plus. The squared of idea is a joke and doesn't effect the ride. It's a stupid myth that keeps coming up and those who haven't used one just plain don't know, so don't comment.
I will comment and you are an idiot.
Ive been riding basically all my life started out dirt bike racing as a kid. And have had several bikes put a car tire on my 1700 vaqaro and it made it wobbly and got rid of it worst thing i done
Does it decrease mpg? Is it noticeable?
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This tire has tread that's different side to side.
Inenever had a problem with a motobike wheel so I don't see why I would want to change
never*
So.... what's the verdict?
It's logical that liability issues prevent an opinion. No authorized dealer will mount an auto tire. That's a hint.
bobberguy1
Not to be a Conspiracy nut but they are also the ones selling you the $250 mc tire every 6000 miles
car tires lack strength near the side wall because they dont ride there as much as the tread, where a motorcycle is much beffier near and on the side wall becuase thats wear they are ridden on. Yes a car tire will offer traction, but it is most definitely not a good choice. It will break down in composition and strength much faster and have a much higher chance of causing a blowout and possible injury. Motorcycle tires are expensive for a reason, They are built to handle the abuse of motorcycle riding.
Strange, my local shop did. I got 20,000 miles per General Altimax. I might also point out that there is NO wear on the sidewall of the car tire. Do you speak from ignorance or arrogance?
joejjohnston72 It's perfectly fine on a big touring bike. Just don't get the 80k plus tire the rubber is to hard. Just get a 40 to 45k mile tire and it will last like no other.
If you're gonna try it at least get the right type of tire! The tire going used looks like an asymmetrical tire...meaning the outside tread design (outboard) differs from the inside this is designed for improved cornering and wet traction ON A CAR. At least use a directional tire or a symmetrical tire...
where's your commentary? we wanted to look at a tire, Speech!
thanx
Just over inflate and it’s pretty good
Man, what bonehead put that on there, it scared me just watching it on the corners, that's why car tires are for cars and bike tires are for bikes.
We’re all adults here (hopefully)…. We can all make our own adult decisions.
No es cant because the government owns us 😂
Sean ,that was great. I'm going to put car tires on my bike. (said no one, ever)
Tractor tires are stronger so that is what I am going to put on my Wing. Should corner great.
What size tire would I need for my 95 GL1500?
@SRV1 I will need to get a new rim then, correct?
@SRV1 ok I have a 160/80-16 now, what's the specs for the darkside tire?
@SRV1 ok, so if I was to get a 195/55 rf16 I should be good then?
I am curious what do insurance companies think about this, ditto the cops and any road worthiness checking authorities?
Illegal in UK
If it was all HWY ok
Why does the bike sound like a tractor trailer ?
cole098 it sounds more like my mothers or my grandfathers car
Tractor trailers are 6-cylinder engines.
This is a GL1800. It has what is essentially a car engine. Torque starts at 1200 rpm, and redline is at 6000, just like a muscle car.
Why dose it sound like a scooter
I often follow a friend who Darksiders. He is a menace. Can’t hold a line in a corner. Wandering about.
Not a safe practice
That sounds more like the rider to me. I've been a darksider for many years and not too many people can keep up with me on a curvy road.
If you are some old fart in Florida Go to the " dark side " but canyon carving in the the Rockies !!! Think about it...
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Think about it.
I scrape my pegs rather often on a darkside tire when tearing up the twisties without thinking about it.
Yeah, I live in northern Wyoming right at the feet of the Bighorn Mountain range...lots of switchbacks and tight curves. I've crashed, burned, died, and exploded dozens of times since putting a car tire on my bike. Oh, no, wait...I meant to say I've had to replace the "feelers" on my V Star 1300s floorboards since mounting a car tire. So I don't really have to think about it, I actually do it and enjoy it instead of posting ignorant blather.
So! That's 6:36 I'll never get back, what a waste of time, thought there would have been some talk on if it's a good idea or not, thumbs down 👎🏻
There is a second review video that goes with this. Check the channel
When that bike leans there is almost no rubber touching the ground. Its bad enough with a motorcycle tire but a car tire? I think I will stick to the proper equipment even if I have to spend a little bit more for it. If you can afford a bike for over 30 grand you should be able to afford a tire. This is in the USA, a very sue happy country. When the accident takes place some lawyer will argue that SRK cycles sold an unapproved bike and win a whole bunch of money for the victims. Ride safe everyone.
looked ok, but got kind of narrow on the thread when you got in sharp curve, other than that it looked good,just be mindful and use common sense.
darrell mount just put MC Tire on new Honda Valkyrie over $250 just so we all know we are being ripped off by MC tire companies
Actually I didn't see anywhere that there was significantly less contact surface than on a bike tire. I was surprised at how muchrubber met the road.
Nope not this guy...i like my power pilots lol😂
Good luck buddy😂😂
Mega Dave ydsdfv
NEW IDEAS ARE ALWAYS CRITISIZED BY THE MASSES WHO WOULD ONLY FOLLOW THE OTHER SHEEP ..
WE DONT PROGRESS UNLESS WE TRY NEW IDEAS .......!
I LOVE MY CAR TIRE ON MY BIKE AND DONT HAVE TO REPLACE IT EVERY 5000 MILES ...
Confucious say: Those who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt the man doing it" ;-)
15000 miles on CT and no regrets!
I love the car tire on both my bikes and have 13 years and over 70K of experience on them. I will never go back to a MC tire unless I cannot get a CT that fits.
it might want to go bye bye on a rainy day.tyre contact patch looks tiny in those intersections
Eloquent
Might work fine on dry but has anyone tried driving with the lower contact patch in the wet?
I ride mine in the rain all the time on two darkside bikes, traction is greatly improved. Car tires are designed to channel water away plus you have a larger tire patch in contact with the road. I feel much more confident on a CT in the rain than I ever did on a motorcycle tire.
Rain and wet pavement was the reason I got rid of the Michelin Commander II after just 4k miles. The Dunlops fair better. But nothing beats my CT.
Mounted a Toyo CT and always have good traction. The contact patch argument has been addressed. Just as much patch or more with a CT.
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I have and never again will i pay $400 for a motorcycle tire . I put the cheapest wal mart car tire i can find and its all around soooo much better rides alot smoother brakes better on wet road more traction so alot better handling and 50 000 km before i change it
you would have more contact patch on a car tire in the wet.