Riding K1600GTL with Darkside tire on the race track
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- Что будет если поставить на мотоцикл автомобильную шину? Как изменится управляемость? Будет ли он поворачивать вообще?
Завтра на нашем канале подробный ответ на этот вопрос, а сегодня, в качестве анонса - несколько кругов на мотоцикле BMW K1600GTL с автомобильным колесом Formula Energy 205/50 R17 по картодрому Лидер. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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You will get used to that slight sidewall flex. Once you know how the bike will react.. YOU GO! BIG!!!
Very impressive! I run a CT on my VTX1800 but am scrapping pegs long before getting to lean angles like that. Nice to see people proving what everyone says can't be done.
Maybe it is time to see if Traxxion can fix your vtx. They did amazing things for my Goldwing.
A CT give you more clearance, so you can lean further.
Positivo.
Yes indeed.very impressive !
I Darksided my Burgman 400 Maxi-Scoot.
Unbelievable UPGRADE.
RIde quality is hugely improved.
So is load # carrying capacity.
Feels far smoother over rough pavement.
Traction / pavement contact / rain traction up 100 %.
Oh yeah, it's gonna last 4-6 X longer & cost HALF $$$ to replace.
Pinch me - am I dreaming ?
My Darkside overview
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What size tire did you go with on your VTX?
The more you ride it, the more like a motorcycle tire it will become 😊
Nice! I'm running a Riken Raptor 205/50/17 on my '06 Yamaha Stratoliner! 8,500 miles and a year later, barely any wear!
I have a 2008 honda goldwing gl1800 and I just went to the DARKSIDE. It's 2023 right now my first ride on it, and I'm NEVER GOING BACK.
Double Dark on my Victory and love it!
I ran a Dunlop 195 60 16, you can fit a 205 but it’s pretty tight...on my 2006 1600 Nomad, and loved it, will never go back to a MC, will not buy a bike that I can’t fit a car tire on.
In the wet, you get amazing grip, start and stopping power, can use more rear brake without locking.
I’ve had on pretty much every twisty you can ever want to run your ride...scraping the boards all the way through the Dragon, running the ReDWoods through USA 1, though the high heats of Death Valley, BlueRidge Mountains, Daytona RT.66...and even snow covered road (caught out by accident) and I can tell ya, there is nothing like it.
In fact, there is this one 50mph left sweeper I would take...at about 70-80mph, the ass end would start to have a little give to it...with the car tire...I couldn’t get the ass end to come out...more and more throttle., lots of grip.
I would run 40k a year and just couldn’t afford $300 every 2-3months, so I would run my rears right down to it was bald...like many of us do as the centre of the tire just wears out quickly...or have to worry about changing out a rear on a trip. I could easily get 30-35k of spirited driving, my mate he had a Honda VTX 1800 , ran a 205 60 16 Goodyear Triple Tread and got 80K on his, and he ran a lot of 2-up.
You won’t crash and burn, the tire manufacturers and mechanics have a vested interest in you sticking with MC tires.
They work, and work great.
Awesome detailed testimonial.
I just Darksided my 2006 Burgman 400 last week - tire now feels fully broken in 300 miles later. It's just as you say - rock solid rear tire to pavement connection. 0% slip in rain conditions.
Plus it feels like an Air Ride suspension has been installed.
An 80% reduction in rough road impacts felt - this to me is the MOST surprising benefit of Darksiding.
I'll never use another MC tire on the rear again !
Incrível e detalhado
Very interesting, it performs rather well.
If you consider that he riding like a noob and is barely getting on it, well yes it does.
@@dickjohnson7845
Uh, NO. ONLY compared to Moto GP racers, which 99.9999% of us are not.
He's riding faster & leaning more than the vast majority of us street riders do.
Ergo, his visual & real world test here proves that Darksiders are not at risk of crashing @ steep turn angles.
No, MotoGP racers won't -and shouldn't *"Darkside" but it's AOK for Street riders everywhere.
@@dickjohnson7845 3 years on, did you ever end up getting your knee down? Hero.
Wow, very nice video thanks!!
Faz as curvas perfeitamente! Incrível!
Looking at the tread pattern this is not what I would select from the selection of car tires for use on motorcycles ... but watching the video IT DID RATHER WELL !
Чёрт! Хорошо держит 😀👍
For a 700 pound bike plus rider that was pretty awesome.
Excellent video!
Thanks for posting been riding many many years appreciate as of yet have not gone dark side but will never knock it we are being ripped off by MC tower companies mega high prices virtually no mileage for people that actually ride heavy bikes probably dark side way to go
Para quem viaja constantemente e leva muita bagagem....ótima alternativa !
Estou pensando em aderir na minha scooter (DT300i), uso muito em rodovia, sempre carregado e com garupa, fora que ela já não aceita muito ângulo mesmo, raspa cavalete...
только хотел написать выглядит стремно как будто автомобильное колесо)) а так и есть))
Интересный эксперимент)
Se faz curva naturalmente que em uma custom vai funcionar perfeitamente, acredito que quem critica é quem tem medo de mudanças.
Хотелось бы видос на тему дарксайда с твоими размышлениями и впечатлениями!
What tire? Is it a run flat or standard
Yup, they stick like glue. I'll probably never run a bike tire on the back of my bikes ever again! And another good point is, if you do get a flat, you can run it that way to a place to get it plugged or patched!!
wondering when this will come to Isle of Man TT????
Keep in mind, this is at about 40 MPH. He never gets out of 2nd gear. Let's see how it looks at 160 plus.
Yeah, surprisingly good. Though would think you'd still want a 'softer' sidewall for max flex to get a larger footprint, but with the tradeoff that they ain't no fun in a blowout at speed, and even harder to push when _'flat'._
Yes you can run a dark side car tire flat to the tire shop to get it fixed. I know from past experience. I have tried to run a motorcycle tire flat a few blocks to a gas station and it came off the bead. That was horrible.
At 1:19 they move around like nothing else
Not sure we are watching the same video
Крутой ракурс
Be nice to see one going fast,
What can be the problem? Scrape pegs already, so don't ecpect a lower lean angle.
вот интересно на r1150rt войдёт она ? Я тоже на дальняк хочу поставить )))
Только ты за рулем ездил или отзыв будет от нескольких драйверов ?
This video is enough for me
тут вы давление скинули ,чем в в ролике на городской дороге. не так ли?
также но в дождь)))
Перкачено, надо приспустить чутка было, для чистоты эксперимента давление, тогда в наклоне пятно контакта будут сильно больше, и держак лучше, и ступенька на переходе менее чувствительная.
Антикризисная мера. На будущий сезон планирую попробовать этот вариант.
говорят если сильно раскрутить, то может слететь
Great deal for iron butt trip !!!
Exactly
Необычненько👍
какое давление было ?
A few questions...
What width rim?
What tire size and brand?
All season tire or sporting type?
What tire pressure?
HM Channel ...Thank you.
205 /50 r 17
Борь,как ощущения?да и какая была максималка расскажи?!
Scraping pegs... yeah
Хороший ракурс? давай так же на лютой спортухе!!!
Всю молодость ставили на Уралы 14 или 15 дюймов от Волги, 205-я. И нормально катали !
Голдоводы вообще сейчас поголовно ставят такие, потому, что моторезина стирается по центру 7 сантиметров, а остальное девственно новое. И колёсико на помойку....
А машинная стоит муку и ходит по три сезона. Управляемость такая же !
It would be nice to see how it performs against another bike.... split screen
This is no video game. CT has a deeper lean angle for the same bike . CT has a larger contact patch, always.
dry track, how does it do in rain?
I put a Sumi 205 50 16 on my 1500 Nomad this week. Its different for sure.
I have a 99 1500 Nomad & am considering going to the dark side. How did your experiment running an auto tire pan out for you?
Сажали по ширине размер в размер? Есть же ещё стретч тема (когда боковина домиком). Хотя и тут - более чем интересный эксперимент )
Автомобильная шина на мот - честно не знаю, не ездил. Но ставить ассиметричную авто шину я бы точно не стал!)
в худшую сторону ?
@@Nelson66ru ее имеет смысл ставить на драгстеры, или если гоняешь исключительно на прямиках.
Hello , what car tyre SIZE fits well on my Suzuki dl 650 v storm 2008?
Your oem size plus 5mm. If you have a 15" rim, you gona need a lot lube and pressure to bead.
What size and kind of car tire fits a BMW1600 rear.
Actual size +5mm will always fit.
А почему на байке автомобильная резина?
What was your tire pressure?
2,1
Решил сточить до круглого сечения? 😀 Переход в вираж стрёмный, наверное...
You can clearly see tyre wobble.
BO4wd i sure he just did it for shits and giggles. but the tire did pretty good. so putting them on a commuter big cruiser doesn't seem so crazy.
What happens at 1:14? Something is hitting but I cannot see what it is. Is it due to a car tire?
Eric Hart , don’t see it at 1:14 but the foot peg rubs several times during video. Not tire related.
You can see in the video thumbnail that the rider is indeed wearing leathers and knee pucks. He drags his knees on both sides multiple times throughout. That's not the pegs.
May I ask what air pressure you run? Ride safe
2,6 bar
@@Nelson66ru Thank you for your reply, are you still Darkside? Ride safe
А почему не ранфлет? по феншую надо ранфлет ставить, у нее усиленная боковина, иначе в повороте рискуешь пропороть камнем бочину.
How it feels during transfer side to side
Beqa shekiladze you barely notice a difference...for the first 5-10 min it feels a little different...but it goes very quickly, think a lot of it is physiological.
I don't even notice on my 400 Burgman Maxi-Scoot. It's totally transparent...
А теперь грезевку джиперскую!
С держаком в повороте понятно, пять баллов, а что с управляемостью, неужели в поворот закладывается также легко как на мотошине? Я например чувствую разницу между 50 и 55 профилем.
2011 roadglide ultra. 195/55/R16. 33psi. First time ct user. Tested with curves and u turns. After researching threads on the subject and all the opinions. Loved it! To all the negative riders out there. If your not going to go to the darkside why even complain about it? Most negative things ive read where published by......motorcycle manufacturer's.
Я ставил авто-шину на мот(vfr800) для езды зимой по снегу и льду. Закладывается легко. Разница конечно есть с мото-шиной но мне пофик.
id like to se the same shot with a motor racing tyre fitted same track
why? The CT seems to be doing very well. I dont think the OP is suggesting the switch for race day. He is merely feeding information to those that dont think it can be done.
What’s up with the edit at 0:58?
На картодроме?.) Где нет дорожных факторов, таких как песок, камни, жуткая колейность и где ровный асфальт?.) В реальной обстановке есть шанс попасть на востановление мотоцикла после скользячки..
Bretty brought me here
That tire is asymmetrical
Надо было шиповку, чтоб с искрами.
hahahahahahahahahaha this guy is nuts 🤪🤘
На Симферопольском шоссе трэк.
Я думал сильнее таскать будет в наклоне.
Cool story, bro
would have been cool to see a screen in screen shot of his MPH... Great job! Really thinking of going Darkside on my Vrod just to experience it.
It's a go-cart track, so my speed wasn't that impressive
@@vladimirzdorov3727 well looks pretty good though just considering a lot of anti-darksiders main argument is that it won't corner or handle well...
@@2wheel-therapy well, actually it does, as you have seen, though there are a lot of unpleasant nuances on the public's roads, which I didn't like at all.
@@vladimirzdorov3727 like with bumps or what?
@@2wheel-therapy yes, bumps, road lines crossing, fast maneuvers, extra unspring mass means less comfort and extra bearings wearing ...
Is this a Go-Kart track, he barely seems to get past 2nd gear?
YES
What size & brand tire ? Is it a run flat ?
Jesus that tire has a wicked shimmy...
That's the suspension
I can clearly see wobble and his tires are breaking during hard accelerations out the corner.
That happens on moto tires too
@@johnhickey1128 Yes it happens to moto tires as well, but usually it happens when you are accelerating hard out of a corner.
I dont think anyone is advocating that CT make a better track tire. Or that sport bikes should run a CT. But rather for the heavy cruisers and touring bikes that super slab 75% of the time and find curvy roads from time to time. These tires fill a need. And perform good enough as shown in this video. I'm a fan of CT on my big cruiser not because they are 1/3 the cost of MT. Its because I always ride 2up and an average trip is 2,000+ miles having a tire that can handle a heavy load and give me 3-4 times the mileage is a no brainer. But ull be the first to tell you, these CT DO NOT handle nearly as well as a MT. It takes constant input on the bars especially on crowned roads or rutted roads. That being said its a trade off I've learned to accept.
@@kylestewart8354 I can see how it makes sense from an economic standpoint. Longer lasting tire, and saving some money. But for myself I need the performance aspect and don't want to take any risks. I tried it once and I did not like the feel of the road.
Interesting, but nah xD Where i live asphalt is very poor and it barely spends tire XD I change my bike usually before i change tires
On my Darksided Suzuki 400 Burgman, the ride quality on Rough pavement is LIGHT YEARS better.
I no longer feel every tiny bump it feels like Air Ride suspension is installed.
I didn't expect this to improve but am thrilled.
It's probably due to CT is a Radial construction.
MT is Bias construction.
Лидер?
Жаль что не снежинка.))
DEU MEDO SÓ DE OLHAR
KKK
ШТО ТЫ ТАКОЕ???)
Been done on a track by a sports tourer with a car tyre? Hand your licence in bud!
This tells me nothing about how fast they going.
It's all second gear, so maybe 50mph at most.
The point isn't speed but lean angles & limits of grip.
He's scraping pegs & leaning hard, about like many do on windy roads on Sport bikes.
Translation = Car Tire on rear = perfectly safe to run.
на дальняк самое то
Well running on a track he is hardly able to get out of second gear sure thing run a car Tyre if you want. Now get a proper speed hyper bike and get a track with a long straight and a few very fast turns. Do a video again.
I ride a MT09 Tracer and I can assure you no car Tyre will work as good as my Dunlop I have on. Those things are sticky as hell.
ДОЖИЛИ.....УЖЕ С КОНСЕРВ ПОКРЫШКИ СНИМАЮТ
Видел автошину на BMW R1200 GS с коляской... страшный изврат. Но там она хотябы смысл имеет, без наклонов особо ездить.
Make Russia great again
You just need to know how to ride a motorcycle(counter steering) I'm part of the DarkSide. Not intended for the weak.
Or the intelligent.
Enlighten us about this magic called... c o u n t e r s t e e r i n g... oh, Grand Master
Don't bite Andrew. If they don't counter steer already...or at least understand what it is, then you're wasting your breath (keystrokes).
This should stop all the questions about reliability for riding on the street or Highway!
Yeah, if you never get out of second gear (like this dude) I'm sure you'll be fine.
Yeah, the wobble says it all.
Красивые покрышки. И что?
I want know tiresize
Crazy Russians
Just a little...
The trick is the track rider is qiute familiar to me, cause it's was me)
You should submit your video to MotoGP teams and show them how they are doing it all wrong.
You totally miss the point.
Not that MotoGP should, but that a rear Car Tire, or a "Darksided" motorcycle is SAFE in steep turns, and not at any risk of sliding.
He's on a heavy sport touring bike leaning hard & scraping pegs going about legal road speeds.
@@psalm2forliberty577 "Safe" is not a binary concept. Can people smoke at a gas station pump? Sure. Will it lead to a fire 100% of the time? No. Does doing so increase your risk? Yes.
Same here. All this does is create horribly inconsistent turning. Anyone switching from old to new MC tires can tell you how much better it feels/handles due to the nice profile of a new set of tires. This inconsistency can lead to handling issues and crashes.
It also trades edge grip both due to lack of proper profile and proper compound, as car tire compound is designed a little differently.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Come on! A 1/2 inch lean ain't exactly called getting down low and scraping pegs that are set lower than the freakin' oil sump tank ain't gonna fool me into believing. Let me know when you dragging knees and scraping elbows then we can talk..... SON!
dragging knee 2:46
You can see in the video thumbnail that the rider is indeed wearing leathers and knee pucks. He drags his knees on both sides multiple times throughout. That's not the pegs.
He’s doesn’t drag his knee once in the video, it’s his toe off the edge of the pegs and the toe sliders is what you hear. Just cause he has leather on doesn’t mean he’s dragging his knee.
A car tire is better all the way around. More miles, more contact, stronger sidewall, better tread and it is rated for more weight than you will ever put on it. Because of the higher weight rating, you can put more air in it and achieve a round top!!! After a thousand miles or so it will be the same feel as a bike tire!!!
Wow! Using the word bullshit is complete and total Kryptonite to my argument! Oh no! You didn't pull out the whole bullshit argument did you? I am powerless to your rationality and Common Sense ability! I had no idea it was bullshit! Thank you so much for saving my life because now I know that it's bullshit. You saved my life. I owe you everything! I have several kittens. Do you want one?
@@James-yl6zm No point in giving him a kitten. He'd just eat it.
You must do a lot of drugs. Car tire sidewalls are not stronger, but rather they are designed to keep the tire upright, which obviously makes zero sense on a motorcycle. If you go in straight lines, then maybe a car tire is for you, but it will NEVER out handle a motorcycle tire in the turns, never.
@@dickjohnson7845 Did you read what you said before you hit send? The only thing that keeps a tire upright is the wheel it is mounted on. A car tire does not know or care what it is attached to. It merely responds to road inputs. A car tire has a GVWR of two hundred pds. or more above a comparable sized motorcycle tire. Where does this higher weight rating come from? Car tires depend upon strong sidewall strength because of the high lateral forces that can be generated from agressive cornering. A motorcycle produces almost none of these as almost all the forces are in the vertical plane. For this reason alone, a car tire will give at least three times the mileage as the tread is held much more stationary by the stiffer(stronger?) sidewall. Way back in the 30's on up thru the 50's into the 60's, riders used to regularly put a car tire on their bikes as an M/T in the size they needed was not always available. Nobody crashed and burned and nobody said shit about it. Here we are, fifty years down the road, and tire technology has been improved upon I'm sure you would agree. Don't just pick any tire, do a little research and there is a car tire out there that has a performance envelop that is well within the requirements of a motorcycle. I've had a car tire on my bike for about two years and will never go back. I corner as hard as I want, contact patch is larger under all operating conditions, rear wheel is harder to lock up, feels more connected to the road in the rain and it will last 30k+ miles. The M/T manufacturers cannot or will not build a tire with this performance. They are rippin' us off. Wise up.
Hi James, would you please comment more regarding tire psi? I've heard of people running pressures as low as 27psi, that it allows the tire to deform more and thus increases cornering grip, while the stiffer sidewalls suffice for upright riding. You're saying you like using high psi? What would that be, and what's your bike? I'm sure lighter bikes can get away with lower pressures.
Опасно так ездить на непредназначенной резине, ее бока держат на пределе возможности, того гляди балон сорвет с диска или порвешь боковину.
На автомобиле куда больше боковая сила, чем на мотоцикле, раз в 10.
ох уж эти диванные эксперты, не ездили, но всё знают :D
@@pamparam3495 Ну ну, даже в таком простом упражнении, как полицейский разворот на 40км/ч там такая боковая сила, что мотоциклу и не снилось. от 0.7g и выше, из под передних колес дым идет при боковом скольжении. Я уже молчу о движении автомобиля вперед боком под 70-90 градусов. Рычаги бывает гнет и ломает если тачка дряхлая, а резине ничего. На мотоцикле этих сил нет от слова совсем, там вектор сил всегда направлен строго параллельно вертикальной оси мотоцикла, иначе мотоцикл просто упадет
@@bragcustom так это ты не мне пиши, а "эксперту" Андрею, он то пади не знает, что большинство автомобильных колёс спокойно выдерживают 500кг и более нагрузки
Het
Reasons why one shouldnt even consider a car tyre are plain to see
Expert only, not for common people....
Disagree
1:19 when he gets on it coming out of a curve. No fkn thanks!
Ну такое себе конечно. Никогда не ставьте шины на мотоциклы и скутеры. Не для этого они, не рассчитаны на такие углы поворотов. А ширина и высота шины на любой вкус в 2018 году имеется. Не занимайтесь онанизмом.
для дальней поездки на 10-12к вполне годный вариант, в противном случае на квадратной моторезине после такого пробега будет не лучше)
Да что ты говоришь ))
Снимать идти, с максика и мота?
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Look closely. On some of the tight he is beginning to ride on the side wall. Not smart
You must have viewed a different video than the one I saw as I never saw him ride on the side wall. But then you might have a different idea what the side wall is. I also never saw the tire slip or break loose in the corners like I have been told it would do on the track.
@@johninokla2635 probably thought the grinding sound was the side of the rider's wheel. LOL! The ONLY downside I've come across is needing to replace the floorboards on my cruiser once they're too chewed up.
You never ride on the sidewalls. This is proven in a other upload with a partly painted tire.
Что за беспонтовая шляпа??Так выводы где??? Или были сомнения что не налезет?? Или не поедет? Или на ходу свалиится?? Все и так прекрасно знают,что можно ехать. Весь вопрос как по управляемости, ощущением.
The lateral movement on that tire is ridiculous. No thanks.
Wow car tire just to save a few bucks lmfao, let me guess, he bought the bike on finance too? Lol
And we build choppers to save a front brake, bobbers to safe the passenger seat, ... idiot.
6 days of not riding, 6 tires or around 2k a year. Doesn't sound like just a few bucks.