Catch Wrestling Shin Lock Submissions
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Kazushi Sakuraba's Coach, a first generation student under Billy Riley, Billy Robinson shares a rare glimpse at two variations of the Shin Lock.
Teaching kids with his cane what a fucking bad-ass grandpa!!
RIP Billy
this guy coached sakuraba? the gracie killer? never knew that..
@Jonathan Renaud I'm fairly certain Sakuraba's wrestling background was nowhere near as developed until he trained Catch with Billy though. I don't think he actually trained Catch wrestling until working with Billy. He did freestyle wrestling beforehand and not sure what else.
Sakuraba is one of, if not THE best, MMA fighter there ever was for one simple reason. He mastered 2 of the 4 forms of combat that can break down any other systems (kickboxing and catch wrestling, with the other two being boxing and then other is what I call mixed form or necessity cqc. That’s where technique is formed and works because it was created from need but doesn’t have a form or set style necessarily. Jail house rock is in this category.). Watch any sakuraba fight against a Gracie, he makes them look foolish and the technique look easy all because of two things. 1. He doesn’t get baited into giving up any leverage in his fights with them (ALL the gracies laid down hoping that he would come into their guard but nope 👎 he NEVER did it). 2. He saw the things they did and used an Occam’s razor type of approach to fighting where he did the best simple basic technique in any setting and did that until they changed what they did. You lay down? Ok I’m gonna kick your legs and feet so when you get up, walking around will be hard and painful. Oh you wanna clench? I’ll block and then strike your torso until you are sore and tired and get easily winded. That’s the best technique I have ever seen in MMA and unfortunately no one else ever did what he did. They never adopted his technique and I never understood why not.
@@TheTaterTotP80 He was a successful high school wrestling and a believe he had some other legitimate wrestling credentials until he eventual started Pro wrestling and then profesional fighting.
Minowa did this Shin Lock against Ryan Gracie in their MMA match at Pride FC. Didn't finish him, but it weakened Gracie's Backmount Leg rides significantly which allowed Minowa to spin around and end up on top. Obviously Gracie was unfamiliar with the move and it's counters.
Did he not have it on properly?
Gracies were juiced AF in all their matches. They took so much painkillers they didn't feel a thing.
You can see it everytime one of them is put in a submission hold. E.g. when Sakuraba was cranking deep DWL on Royler, Kneebar on Royce, even broke Renzo's arm with DWL, and none of them even flinched. Similarly Matt Hughes demolished Royce's arm with that Straight Armbar that almost turned his arm backwards, and Eddie Bravo demolished Royler's legs with Vaporizer until he couldn't walk, but neither of them even flinched coz they were juiced to their gills.
@@kallepikku4991 I don't think it's called being juiced when you talk about painkillers.
Anyways... hm interesting angle. Wouldn't be surprised.. not a big fan of the Gracies for those reasons
I love these Videos R.I.P. Billy Robinson
LOL, I could see Rener Gracie squirming in pain saying "don't demonstrate the break".
Everytime, Billy cranks too much and is completely oblivious to the guys tapping. That's a real O.G.
@b7r7u7c7e, it is definitely a high risk move and the RNC is a very dangerous threat that you have to respect. The Damage Control MMA group has made a few modifications for using this in MMA and it works very well. Just like any move, used in isolation it has it's limitations, but as part of a comprehensive back mount escape/counter plan it works very, very well.
@palindabomb Lou Thesz also cited Billy Robinson, and Robinson has a legit competitive record in addition to his pro wrestling stuff.
Actually, I was mistaken. Josh did not mention this on the Attacking The Guard DVD as I had mentioned. He mentioned it in a promo he did for a seminar with Minoru Suzuki a while back. Sorry for the mistake guys.
Old masters are awesome. That move is very dangerous though. It's easy to damage those nerves behind the shin and up the knee. Could end in a trip to the ER.
kickapowwww Are you sure it's that dangerous?
@@liukang85 That nerve is the connection from the spine to your foot. I don't know how much damage you could do, but in theory you can lost feeling and control of everything downstream of the damage.
Good stuff folks, I love these pressure point tutorials. For the most part, it doesn't matter how big or strong you are --- pressure points will bring a giant to their knees. Thanks for the upload.
@RightWingCon81 Whether you can see it or not, that's the easy counter. The guy's right leg is free. All he has to do is bring it over between his body and Robinson's back, and he'll heist right out. He wants to do that before the lock is fully applied, naturally, but that's the counter. If Robinson were up on the thigh, he'd be able to control the leg. He isn't, so he can't. There's a vid of the counter on our channel.
Ok that old guy is kick ass!
@billysue2 Maeda faced catch wrestlers in Europe when he travelled to do challenge matches, with a troupe of Japanese pro wrestlers too. This was in the late 1800's / early 1900's. Not only that, but the European navy travelled to Japan for the silk trade among other goods, and this was in the 1600's after Japan was discovered by the Portugese in 1542. A lot of British navy had catch wrestlers since they often were "shanghai'd" into going and picked up different wrestling from all over
A little Pro Wrestling trivia, Hiro Matsuda (Yashuhori Kojima) actually broke Hulk Hogans leg with this move. This happened in Hogan's first training session with Hiro.
Awesome video. I used this in bjj class and it worked more than once. I also used the shin across the ankle bone from the video on your web site, and it also worked on much bigger opponents.
you guys are awesome. i really appreciate that you are so open to all different styles. i also think you are good fighters and i always watch your clips. thanks for work and the effort you put in
love the old school catch wrestling
be guarded is slightly less than a neutral position. And to sit back for an ankle lock is a different, and somewhat dangerous position, you can get mounted if you don't do it right, in a tournament it's a sweep and a pass.
@shifudan I think it's because you don't want someone on your back, also the move is lesser known and even less understood. The choke and strikes are real dangers, BUT we've put together some MMA modifications and shared them in our members only area on DamageControlMMA,com. In fact we released the videos for the first time just last week.
All fights do start from standing & yes SOMEBODY does end up on the ground-not always both parties- usually ending in a proverbial boot party...
Do a google search for Catch Shin Lock Damage Control MMA.
Man..Billy Robinson is just viscious
But he was so gentlemanly about it!😅
Yes position before submission but if your in the guard and you step back out for an ankle lock to finish you transition to that position so its all relative. Different obviously from mount or side control.
Oh really??? So where did it get it's name from? I'll tell you... the kimura got it's name from Mr. Kimura, who used the move (but didn't invent it) not that long ago. He actually learned it from western Catch wrestlers and made it famous. Yes, Japanese jj is hundreds of years old, but not all of it's techniques are. Catch wrestling has been around for a very long time, and has contributed directly to Japanese jj, as well as Bjj. Do some research.
I don't think that Kimura or the Japanese needed a catch wrestler to teach them to bend someone's arm behind their back.
A good shin lock is the kind that doesn't just depend on pain, but will break his shin bone in half if he doesn't tap. I personally have a hard time achieving that using my elbow though, but with the variations where you use the knee in the shin, there's no way anyone can take it without tapping.
@RightWingCon81 The question was rhetorical, RWC81. The control is being placed on the knee, which allows you to bring your other leg over and spin out. You need to control the thigh -- what we're here told not to do. You may avoid the choke that way, but you also can't control the opponent. Search shin lock.
Inside the shin is what is called a nerve cluster. Every single pressure point that is excruciating or can knock you out when struck correctly is a nerve cluster. They, when struck or impacted can cause the MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PAIN that is known to the human body. Why do you think the solar plexus is one of the smallest areas yet is so important for targeting in combat?
there are a couple people that teach catch as catch can for the streets.
This shit looks frickin awesome!
can u demonstrate how to maintain this positionand finish the move against a squirming opponent
Squirm with them fast and hard? If you cannot maintain the position, it may be best to force them into another position that you know you can control.
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I have the Billy Robinson DVD instructionals.
So it's called the Shin Lock.
@palindabomb I never disagreed that Thesz is on record (video) and refers to Cecchine. I've seen the video in question several times before. But then I'm not going to Cecchine videos and criticising them. You mention a video series Cecchine did over a decade ago. Robinson has been Catch wrestling since the late 1950's and comes from one of if not the most famous Catch wrestling gyms of all time, so try to show a little respect.
God blessyou Mr. Brain. That looks very ,very, painfull!
He mentioned Rikidozan. The man that knocked out Kimura!! I think. The Yakuza guy that stabbed him had a lifelong obligation to do some shit in his honor once a year. I dunno. cool story and Billy remebered Rikidozan!!! Billy also claimed Japan started pro wrestling I think. Not sure. Any thoughts? great video too!!!
It's FREE at DamageControlMMAdotcom. It's an exclusive
@ErikPaulsonFan
Without a gi it helps provide friction so you can work, also protects your skin from ringworm/staph
@TakingItToTheMMAT On the program "The Voice VS" with Michael Schiavello Hulk actually explains the move (albeit not in extreme detail) he got caught with. As the story goes Hogan was tired and was tossed into the ring then Hiro sat and proceeded to break his leg. The Brisco Brothers (Jack and Gerald) also talk about it, as they are the ones who got Hulk into wrestling. It's a shame Hogan only stayed a year with Hiro, maybe wrestling would be less show ala Japanese shoot style.
Masterful 🤗
looks like a potiential arm lock if you can get your left leg over head?
I made so many enemies in NoGi class doing this.
LOL
sensacional
great video!
I tried it on myself. Works great!
@KJGould No, just depends on which computer I'm on. If you see this name, I'm using the Mac desktop and Firefox. The other is mobile.
@dannielpreto I've heard this as well. I'd love to see more documentation on the matter.
thats sweet.
Ha ha LOL :)
That's awesome!
thats so fucking badass!
**through**(read throw)
so why don’t see this move in the ufc? and why don’t we see many of these wrestling moves in the ufc? just asking
Pro fighters won't tap out to pain without threat of breaking something.
Cuz the guy on the back is going to choke you. I mean you might hurt the shin a little bit but your going to be unconscious.
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***** Well, it was more of a neck crank... but aside from that you've got it spot on.
***** Ah, ok. Sorry for the confusion, it just didn't look tight enough to be a choke.
I'm not sure you know what the word rhetorical means. That aside, I can't see how a guy can spin if his OTHER LEG is pinned If a guy has his weight on your leg and is working a leg lock its hard to spin anywhere.I do see a counter though. If you look at 1:00 you'll see that the asian dude can hook his left arm under Robinson's arm extend the leg being attacked through and loop the free leg for an armbar.
:12 LMAO, Brandon got the HELL outa there FAST!!!
Do you have the footage coz I can't figure out how to effectively use it for MMA. I really want to set it off.
looks like a lot of moves where your position needs to be exactly right or it won't work at all.
@ErikPaulsonFan
Bare skin makes it easier for your opponent to pull out/escape.
i wasnt able to find the video of the part of the move thats cut off on your site HELPPP lol
God damn. Cookie monster beat up kermit
@KJGould Respect? You mean, like don't point out the counter? I guess I don't understand what you're talking about. Was this clip posted as an instructional clip or not? And if so, how is noting that the lock as applied lends itself to an easy counter being disrespectful?
i cant see the video on your site!
@cecchinecatch I think you forgot to log back into your other account.
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ye hardly doing this shin lock when getting punch in the ear repeatedly.
were can I get this DVD Damage Control is no longer around
@Scipio0 and what are the potential injuries with this submission? Or is it just extremely painful?
The Japanese call it Kyusho Jutsu. we teach and train this art in the Okuden Circle.
it is an ancient art that was part of all older martial arts and the history of using vital points in fighting goes back over 1800years. today everybody calls it fake but here you see that also professionals use it even if it is not optimal. want to know more??? write me a message
Would it be legal under BJJ rules to push your elbow in the opponent's shin like that?
I personally don't like this move because I'm a firm believer in position before submission and this is just poor position. That's not to say this won't work. Now on to your question (and I say this as a person who doesn't like the position) I don't think you can bring the other leg around and spin because tthe leg being attacked is pinned effectivly controlling you. I might ask my teacher about this to see his thoughts.
Holy social awkwardness batman!
ouch ouch! i give up
or hit a throw on them and run away.
@boobiesnbooties
Not to be a stickler, but the term Hooker was used to differentiate between shooters and rippers. A hooker was specifically someone that could wrestle AND submit.
Regardless, as much footage as possible needs to be made of legends like Billy. I'd like to see more of his setups. I'm happy to see the enthusiasm for Catch.
duh, right leg over head.sorry
Didn't Matt Hughes try to do this to be Bj Penn and got choked out?
Yes it's possible, that's why you do the block at 0:35, and then switch fast. If you're not quick enough on the switch, then of course it's not going to work.
Hulk Hogan disliked this video
Why?
Tylek Hiro Matsuda broke his leg on his first day of training with this technique
What happened to the butterfly negation! Boooooooo
oh no no no! streetfight you wouldn't want to use moves like this. you will get choked out fast. eye gouge, fish hooks, hair pulling etc. in streetfight, you always want to end up on top. always. knockout or on top. top wristlocks, neckcranks chokes. etc. mma is not streetfighting.
@Scipio0 and what are the potential injuries with this submission? Or is it just extremely painful?
@Scipio0 and what are the potential injuries with this submission? Or is it just extremely painful?