Seven - Scene - Creating expectation for the climax

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    SPOILER AHEAD!
    This 8 minute scene of mostly dialogue has three main functions.
    At this point in the movie, in the beginning of act three, after the previous story twists, our expectations of what is to come are already well set up. But here John Doe is very confident and repetedly emphasizes the impact of his coming act. This raises even more the audience expectation and triggers an almost unbarable curiosity for the climax. (Just imagine a hand of God breaking your DVD-player just before the end sequence and you would Never Ever get to know what happened!)
    On another level the dialogue handles the theme as John Doe explains his motivation for his beastly act. We learn that his engagement is perfectly reflecting the reason of Somerset to resign. They share a dark view of the world as a place where nobody cares anymore. But, and this should really be annoying, as Somerset chooses to stand back and resign, John Doe, in his perverted way, takes action to make the world a better place.
    Finally, the escalating conflict between Mills and John Doe, that ends with John Doe humiliating Mills, is needed to emotionally set up Mills for the actions of the climax.

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  • @_ChristinaLauren_
    @_ChristinaLauren_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1809

    I know a lot of people didn't like Brad Pitt's character in the film but I thought he was a great representation of how an inexperienced cop saw only the surface while Morgan Freeman's character knew from experience that the shit hadn't yet hit the fan.
    Opposites. It was perfect.

    • @SilentDanDisney
      @SilentDanDisney 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Shit usually hits the fan at the worst possible moment.

    • @sharonhayaalee-v5974
      @sharonhayaalee-v5974 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He was the one for that. Beliv me . I know.

    • @sweetbeauty2153
      @sweetbeauty2153 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@SilentDanDisney yep!

    • @inferno0020
      @inferno0020 5 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      I think Pitt has done a great job for portraying an inexperienced, irritable cop.

    • @Da_Wurm
      @Da_Wurm 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      thank you for saying this. i completely agree. and anyone who says Pitt did poorly in this film is an absolute fucking moron

  • @KKelly-ng1ni
    @KKelly-ng1ni 8 ปีที่แล้ว +920

    There are so many reasons why the car scene is a powerful scene. The fact that David's wife was already dead and some of the blood was found on John Doe and he had no idea. Tracy kept calling David and calling him and he ignored her. The part where John Doe tells him he won't miss a thing. I also believe that although there was no sequel, John Doe was absolutely correct when he said they couldn't see the whole picture yet, but when it all came out people would be shocked and amazed.

    • @yvesheinrich5013
      @yvesheinrich5013 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Now that I read your comment. I don't understand why the blood on John Doe's cloths weren't examined?

    • @KKelly-ng1ni
      @KKelly-ng1ni 8 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Yves Heinrich They were, but they could only tell that there was blood from the victim of his that they found and one other unidentified person's blood.

    • @yvesheinrich5013
      @yvesheinrich5013 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Motormouth Kelly So you're saying the bloods could've been combined and it was hard to identify who's who?

    • @KKelly-ng1ni
      @KKelly-ng1ni 8 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      Yves Heinrich I'm saying that they hadn't found the detective's wife yet so they had nothing to compare it to.

    • @yvesheinrich5013
      @yvesheinrich5013 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Motormouth Kelly Ohhhh. I guess in the movie if they would've found out who's blood was in John Doe's cloths, we would already reach the end of the movie with decisions. But realistically, it doesn't make sense not to scan the blood - just skipping that part...

  • @Mintie365
    @Mintie365 8 ปีที่แล้ว +376

    Kevin spacey plays the psychopath so unbelievably well that I can only picture him as just that. Not wanting to typecast but man, him and hopkins are just iconic psychopaths to me. Great acting

    • @dano511
      @dano511 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      IRONY

    • @Tony-fq5bn
      @Tony-fq5bn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      He was just playing himself lol, as evidenced by those creepy ass Christmas videos he's been putting out every year

    • @williamshaw9047
      @williamshaw9047 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@Tony-fq5bn I admit, my first thought when all that came out was, "He was just a little too good at playing those sociopathic characters."

    • @MsHojat
      @MsHojat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He's not a psychopath in K-PAX, but still dose really good acting for the type of mostly-calm-sometimes-intense characters.

    • @dbt-dt6zx
      @dbt-dt6zx ปีที่แล้ว

      Wellll

  • @Scrootumm
    @Scrootumm 7 ปีที่แล้ว +770

    Damn John Doe knew Mills better than Mills himself.

    • @bluehat3673
      @bluehat3673 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Trumpis God what does this mean

    • @huehuehueheh5806
      @huehuehueheh5806 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@bluehat3673 look in the mirror and you will find the answer

    • @dmcrun3572
      @dmcrun3572 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      BP’s character was fairly transparent and he didn’t exactly hold back his emotions, thoughts, or opinions

    • @Dan_Kanerva
      @Dan_Kanerva ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dmcrun3572 yeah, is easier to read a man when he doesn't keep much to himself

    • @alifakhrzadeh1544
      @alifakhrzadeh1544 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well Tracy met Somerset so you can’t thoroughly blame Mills for that

  • @mischacarlberg6631
    @mischacarlberg6631 4 ปีที่แล้ว +919

    "Don't worry, you won't miss it. You won't miss a thing."
    Some damn good foreshadowing there.

    • @zoxyy.1x
      @zoxyy.1x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      i’m confused

    • @mischacarlberg6631
      @mischacarlberg6631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@zoxyy.1x he's also referring to the fact that he will shoot John Doe without missing

    • @5wheels178
      @5wheels178 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      In hindsight there's almost too much foreshadowing. He's practically nudging Pitt in the shoulder and saying 'guess what?'

    • @mimounaj8797
      @mimounaj8797 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He was so right, he didnt miss a damn thing 🤣🤣🤣

    • @Krawna
      @Krawna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      In a deleted scene both of them start singing the song by Aerosmith in the car

  • @FresnoCA93727
    @FresnoCA93727 8 ปีที่แล้ว +872

    That whole scene was so well done. The whole movie is a classic. But that scene alone was just awesome.

    • @timishere1925
      @timishere1925 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @anthony Surely you jest about which scene when you are here watching the particular clip you've watched. Hopefully by now you can't read this because you passed on to the great beyond.

    • @mdiaz013184
      @mdiaz013184 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @anthony im thinking something ironic happened since he gave no reply...

    • @timishere1925
      @timishere1925 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @anthony Sorry. I haven't gotten notifications on youtube for years. My grammar is fine, at least for youtube. You understood what I was saying so that's all of the confirmation I need that my grammar is passable. As far as your response to the rest of my comment, I'm just going to let my comment stand.

    • @timishere1925
      @timishere1925 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mdiaz013184 You thought wrong son. Now mind your own business. You're a dime holding up a dollar.

    • @kenadams9725
      @kenadams9725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      True, watching this scene i didn't want it to be over. I enjoyed the movie

  • @RustinChole
    @RustinChole 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    “You’re only alive because I didn’t kill you. I spared you. Remember that detective, every time you look in the mirror at that face of yours, for the rest of your life.....or should I say, for the rest of what life I’ve allowed you to have” deeply worried me in the theater as John Doe didn’t seem to be the bluffing type. But when he said that ONE word “Tracy,” i knew it was over.
    God what a movie.

    • @vitamindealer7915
      @vitamindealer7915 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Its the most chilling line of all. He DGAF.

    • @jloo6822
      @jloo6822 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I think the most jarring thing about him killing Tracy is that no matter how sick and twisted Doe is in his killings, the detectives could’ve almost felt a comfort factor in his game…everything is so calculated, so meaningful. Not random. He kills citizens that he feels have broken the moral code of the seven deadly sins. He’s not going for them, he’s not going for their families.
      Then at the very end he goes rogue, massacring Mills’ family. Yes, Tracy was the Envy victim, but she was the first victim that wasn’t guilty of any deadly sins. He made an exception. Just when you think it makes sense, and you have him figured out…you ain’t got nothin figured out.

  • @zerodood
    @zerodood 7 ปีที่แล้ว +223

    "A woman."
    "Murderers, John, like you said-..."
    "A WOOMUFF!"

  • @gregoryjoulin5763
    @gregoryjoulin5763 3 ปีที่แล้ว +259

    Somerset talks reason. Mills talks emotion. John Doe talks manipulation.

    • @norreras343
      @norreras343 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      The thing is, no one can manipulate anyone without an ounce of truth, tergiversated, but true; in this case? We live in a soZai3tY that normalize sin

    • @Chadorni
      @Chadorni 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I don't know, i think John Doe genuinely believed everything he said.

    • @juancavalcanti9613
      @juancavalcanti9613 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And i,talk words

  • @awwwyeaboyeeee
    @awwwyeaboyeeee 9 ปีที่แล้ว +743

    This movie was devastating.

    • @VVeltanschauung187
      @VVeltanschauung187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      It's fucking great

    • @Hexsmasher2099
      @Hexsmasher2099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      By devastating you mean that it is terrifying because it might have some points in people sinning

    • @yearginclarke
      @yearginclarke 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@Hexsmasher2099 Like John Doe said in the movie, "We see a deadly sin on every street corner, in every home, and we tolerate it."

    • @jimsty5222
      @jimsty5222 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Devastatingly good! Lol I know what you mean though -- the ending was so tragic but so good. Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Andrew Todd Walker, David Fincher and especially Kevin Spacey made a true masterpiece!

    • @Nate_M_PCMR
      @Nate_M_PCMR 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jimsty5222 Andrew Kevin* Walker

  • @singularity6065
    @singularity6065 5 ปีที่แล้ว +687

    Love the cinematography in this scene. Notice how the bar is in front of the frame when it shows the murderer and brad pitt's character? They both are "Trapped". The only character shown without the bars is Morgan freeman's character, foreshadowing what will come to happen after this scene.

    • @rickybobby4827
      @rickybobby4827 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I just noticed that!!! Awesome!

    • @screamrad218
      @screamrad218 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Great observation! I just picked that up.

    • @deantreur248
      @deantreur248 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      holy shit.

    • @ravaunmitchell6112
      @ravaunmitchell6112 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lol

    • @illwitness
      @illwitness 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Brilliant analysis so obvious and subtle at the same time.

  • @82dorrin
    @82dorrin 10 ปีที่แล้ว +711

    Spacey was amazing in this movie.

    • @mikespearwood3914
      @mikespearwood3914 7 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      to be fair...Spacey is amazing in every movie.

    • @mitchlucker666aaarh
      @mitchlucker666aaarh 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Mike Spearwood nah... he makes the best bad guy in the history of cinema. otherwise, not much of a fan. hes the worst good guy in film lol

    • @siniaura
      @siniaura 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      What we now know about Spacey makes his performance even creepier if possible

    • @alfiemarin266
      @alfiemarin266 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      To me i just look at spacey as an actor and nothing else when watching this movie and he is phenomenal

    • @siniaura
      @siniaura 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@alfiemarin266 and ​@UC4HCvZxUQ9vKj5oaFz-1J6w I agree. I like actor who has that range that spacey has. My point was that it is great performance, and even greater knowing he is not an angel. No one is. I want him back

  • @bchen0709
    @bchen0709 15 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    The conversation between Pitt and Spacey is electric, but Freeman really makes this entire scene go. His subtle questions to John about his ideology, and the looks he casts at Mills for letting his emotions get control of him again.
    "And that's the point. We see a deadly sin on every street corner, in every home, and we tolerate it. We tolerate it because it's cometh, it's trivial."

    • @vc1396
      @vc1396 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think it's "because it's common, it's trivial"

  • @Renagade2332
    @Renagade2332 14 ปีที่แล้ว +350

    I love how John Doe is enraging Mills and when Somerset just looks back into the mirror to see John Doe's face and their eyes connect....I just feel like Somerset suspected Doe had some plan for Mills.

    • @mohammedabdulwasay5855
      @mohammedabdulwasay5855 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Want he driving?

    • @Renagade2332
      @Renagade2332 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@mohammedabdulwasay5855 there's a moment while Mills and Doe are talking that Somerset looks up into the rear view mirror and makes eye contact with Doe.

    • @Renagade2332
      @Renagade2332 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@bigddlover1 oh for sure. The whole set up was fishy, but none of them could have expected what happened

    • @dmcrun3572
      @dmcrun3572 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@mohammedabdulwasay5855 both detectives knew there was more to the story but BP’s character was caught up in the moment while MF’s character was trying to figure out the next move or two

    • @dgmobbdeep
      @dgmobbdeep 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Absolutely. Caught that too. Freeman senses something.

  • @James-mo6us
    @James-mo6us 9 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    the way morgan freeman says higher power is beast

    • @borntogazeintonightskies
      @borntogazeintonightskies 9 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      The way Morgan Freeman says anything is beast.

    • @DarkWolfGames10
      @DarkWolfGames10 8 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Higha Powa

    • @rustcohle8638
      @rustcohle8638 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      This was two years ago by now, but let it be known I legitimately lol'd at this comment

    • @ricardocalmza
      @ricardocalmza 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      HIGHA POWA

    • @shanerose7204
      @shanerose7204 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Honestly, the way he said “higher power” made me giggle a little 😂

  • @SandersRobin24
    @SandersRobin24 9 ปีที่แล้ว +533

    I finally watched this movie in its entirety after 20 years. I can't believe this was actually Kevin Spacey. That's how you know it's great acting when the character is so insane and so creepy that you totally forget this guy is a household name actor.

    • @benashworth7653
      @benashworth7653 8 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      he wasn't even credited-they wanted to make it seem like a surprise because of his popularity at that time

    • @Kevin_Hazelton
      @Kevin_Hazelton 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      SandersRobin24

    • @Rich_Daniel78
      @Rich_Daniel78 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      AMEN to that Robin :-) Kevin will forever RULE!

    • @askme2015
      @askme2015 6 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      He wound up being as creepy as this in real life....sexual predator

    • @jameswilliams-of3mv
      @jameswilliams-of3mv 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      ,,kevin will always be a great actor.. perfect casting here

  • @BenjaminSteber
    @BenjaminSteber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I have never seen a scene where one guy was in the other guys head so deeply. It wasn't just rent free, he was collecting rent. Every goading line, every contrary point every taunt just pulled him in more and more. Chilling to the core.

    • @razorfett147
      @razorfett147 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yep. Sommerset spent the entire week trying to temper Mills' passions and recklessness, but to no avail

    • @diane8937
      @diane8937 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In retrospect, of course.

  • @LoyalNODZealot
    @LoyalNODZealot 16 ปีที่แล้ว +223

    As sad and twisted as his view of the world is... He was right.
    "Innocent... Is that suppose to be funny?" I love that line.

    • @cordarryl101
      @cordarryl101 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I can't lie. I laughed when he said that

    • @Juanpablofanasito850
      @Juanpablofanasito850 ปีที่แล้ว

      Being fat does not make you deserve death

  • @liciniusscapula7696
    @liciniusscapula7696 8 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    damn he roasted those 6 people

  • @shnoogums1
    @shnoogums1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    “I’m not special. I’ve never been exceptional. This is though. What I’m doing. My work.”
    I’ve always wanted to say that when someone asks me about myself lol

    • @40streetblack79
      @40streetblack79 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Snooogums,its exceptional?

    • @shnoogums1
      @shnoogums1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@40streetblack79 rightt thanks

  • @twmax6525
    @twmax6525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Me showing this movie to someone who hasn’t seen it, especially the ending: “I can’t wait for you to see, I really can’t….it’s really going to be something.”

  • @nicky29031977
    @nicky29031977 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    John Doe to Mills..."for the rest of what life I have allowed you to have". Such a terrifying clue which Mills didn't pick up on!

  • @mindofmarlowe
    @mindofmarlowe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The most frightening movie villains are the ones that are humanized. Where you can see, even in small part, the logic of their actions. How they may be justified in a small way. It scares us when we feel that. Fantastic movie.

  • @Gustavo-nd3cx
    @Gustavo-nd3cx 8 ปีที่แล้ว +287

    a woman-- A WOMAN!

    • @thegirlinquestion
      @thegirlinquestion 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @n a i dont think he likes....anyone....

    • @marcushennings9513
      @marcushennings9513 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But most importantly dont interrupt a serial murderer as he's talking.. especially if only to be a smart mouth.

    • @TheFlowerofSpades
      @TheFlowerofSpades 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      LMFAO

    • @cs8712
      @cs8712 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "What is a woman, John?"

  • @Blaze-vj6ng
    @Blaze-vj6ng ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "wanting people to listen, you cant just tap them on the shoulder anymore, you have to hit them with a sledgehammer, then you'll notice you have their strict attention"
    chills..

  • @Henman5
    @Henman5 8 ปีที่แล้ว +198

    What I love about this movie is that it's not the classical American good guys vs bad guys chase. All 3 main characters deserve respect and have some flaws at the same time.
    John Doe - he has a point, the world is a place full of lying, selfish people and there's nothing wrong in trying to change that status quo. But committing a series of brutal murders is not the way to do it, no matter how terrible the victims were (one of them was innocent - Mill's wife).
    Mills - wants to be a hero, wants to catch all the bad guys, believes in people (ok, he's naive, but that's not a sin), but at the same time is too emotional, constantly swears and yells and acts first, thinks later. And he has a huge ego.
    Somerset - he's probably the best out of the three, wise, smart and probably caught a lot of criminals during his time. But he's basically saying: "most people find apathy as a solution, I don't like it, but there's nothing I can do about it". Age is not an excuse, you shouldn't stop fighting for what you think is right. And let's not forget he practically killed his unborn child.

    • @ditokhetsuriani2144
      @ditokhetsuriani2144 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      +Henman5 Great choice of words. It's a very intriguing movie and I was quite thrilled to watch it for the first time. Definitely in my top 5 all-time films.

    • @trenauldo
      @trenauldo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Good points you make Henman...
      I would only add above concerning your quote, "he's naive, but that's not a sin"... There are actually several instances where the bible (if that's the standard we're using for sinfulness) address the evils of naivete, particularly in Proverbs...
      "The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps" 14:15
      "The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it." 27:12
      I also think the point John Doe makes is that there are no innocents amongst humans, that we are all fallen in some form or fashion. That's likely why he had no compunction about killing them, seeing each of them as flawed in one way or another.

    • @makhulu3718
      @makhulu3718 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mills wife is not innocent anyway. She decided to kill her baby. That’s why John let her die for her sin. I love the way too. Each women who abortion their baby must killed for their punish.

    • @ThothTheAtlanteanK
      @ThothTheAtlanteanK 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Akshay Natu As he said, once you hit them over the head with a sledgehammer you'll find you have there strict attention.

    • @lukeallen9497
      @lukeallen9497 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Akshay Natu Dexter killed evil people out of the love for his father, he didn't had any code, besides deb was the only human being keeping him on the track. John on the other hand, believed in what he was doing and felt justified in his actions.

  • @EddBSmith
    @EddBSmith 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Absolutely brilliant writing and acting. Phenomenal. No thriller has even gotten me so shook up like Seven did. Perfect example of how to constantly build tension slowly throughout with an amazing, logical twist at the end. The perfect film for what it is.

  • @ThumbsUpMike
    @ThumbsUpMike 9 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Jon - 1
    Mills - 0

  • @VanillaLimeCoke
    @VanillaLimeCoke 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    7:39
    I think it's at that point Somerset had a slight suspicion that Mills was going to be the wrath victim.

    • @True38
      @True38 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      They actually foreshadowed it quite well during one of the first scenes where you can clearly see Mills mad and annoyed when a guy who walks by him bumps into him as he’s talking to Somerset.
      He also gets mad several times throughout the movie, especially when the paparazzi (John Doe) is taking pictures of him, and he even admits to Somerset that he feeds off of his own emotions.

  • @lostmotion18
    @lostmotion18 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wanting people to listen, you can’t just tap them on the shoulder any more. You have to hit them with a sludge hammer and then you’ll notice you’ve got their strict attention...
    What an accurate metaphorical statement!

  • @alk6709
    @alk6709 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Three contrasting amazing actors. Putting them together itself is a winner move.

  • @CYP0
    @CYP0 9 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Awesome delivery. Kevin Spacey is awesome as always.

  • @icemorewaterless
    @icemorewaterless 9 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    Congressman Underwood talking about seven deadly sins in a car ride.

  • @killdano
    @killdano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    expertly written, shot, directed, acted and edited.

  • @ktm5194
    @ktm5194 14 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    usually when i watch a movie, i dont give my absolute full attention to it, but during this scene in particular, i was completely locked and engrossed into the dialogue. just amazing. kevin spacey really should have won an academy award for this.

    • @ohen
      @ohen 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He won it for The Usual Suspects that year.

  • @JP_IN_TX
    @JP_IN_TX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I'd have to say the final scene is Gweneths finest acting. Her pitch is awesome, lines are immaculate, and the little box wardrobe is befitting.

    • @EddyDurden
      @EddyDurden 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I prefer her head in a box rather than a Ironman suit.

  • @hotfella4659
    @hotfella4659 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    2:01 "Cause I wouldnt want to miss it" "Oh dont worry you dont" "You wont miss a thing" oh mann he only knew what hes talkin about, these detectives dont see it coming yet!
    " Oh you wont" talkin about the bullet what will go into his head later by mills.
    "You wont miss a thing" Talkin about whats inside the box what he will see later, just genious, genious

  • @SilverSnark
    @SilverSnark 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    watching this again i have to say that Freeman's acting here is great. Really understated but its there and you can kind of tell that Somerset knows something aint right in the car.

    • @dgmobbdeep
      @dgmobbdeep 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ABSOLUTELY. HE FEELS something is coming. You clearly feel it.

  • @simple-commentator-not-rea7345
    @simple-commentator-not-rea7345 8 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    5:25
    Let's also not forget, a murderer, so jelous with the life of a completely normal cop, that he dedicated his entire life to punish him and society for the life he never had and through it all, he disguised his little personal quest for revenge as a doing of God

    • @100EmotionalDamage
      @100EmotionalDamage 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      "It seems that Envy is my sin...Become vengeance David, Become ... Wrath."

    • @JonM555
      @JonM555 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      He didn't forget it. He kept it for later.

    • @mentadere
      @mentadere 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @James Shut up man, you're so pathetic putting yourself above others by using the word "normies" as if you weren't part of the problem.

    • @bluehat3673
      @bluehat3673 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @James r/iamverysmart

    • @tysontwenty
      @tysontwenty 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @James yes but as another pointed out, John Doe lacked grace and forgiveness. This was his central flaw but it was enough for his plan and great example to lose most of it's meaning.

  • @adamfitzgerald911
    @adamfitzgerald911 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    "...by a higha POWAAA"

  • @jimsty5222
    @jimsty5222 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The ending was so tragic, grim and terrifying but so good. Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Andrew Todd Walker, David Fincher and especially Kevin Spacey made a true masterpiece! The fact that it wasn't even just nominated for the Best Picture Oscar that year blows my mind. One of the biggest Oscar snubs of the last century.

  • @evankaiafas6219
    @evankaiafas6219 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is one of those scenes that you have to watch again after finishing the entire film. So many hidden details that only appear when you already know the ending.

    • @dgmobbdeep
      @dgmobbdeep 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely. Got to rewatch the whole scene.

  • @frederik2334
    @frederik2334 8 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    we tolerate it because it is common

  • @larma7
    @larma7 17 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks for uploading. I think this scene is not only better than the final scene in the film but also has the best dialogue ever in a film...........Brilliant dialogue!

  • @keokio7
    @keokio7 8 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    The psycho actually has a point. We tolerate sin and the extreme nature of his crimes only reflect the extreme nature of sin that we've grown tolerant to. He ended it with giving up his own life and pay for his sin to set the ultimate example. But what separates him from normal people is that he lacks the concept of forgiveness and grace, without it his world would actually make sense.

    • @danielappleton5067
      @danielappleton5067 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +keokio7 " vengeance is mine, I will repay ". John Doe actually sees himself as an instrument of Old Testament divine retribution, no forgiveness, no chance for redemption, no parole. & killing an innocent whose only " sin " is being the wife of the detective investigating him - well, I think getting killed is justifiable. Karma / " you reap what you sow ".

    • @shady8045
      @shady8045 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah but you don’t deserve to be brutally murdered for being fat or a sexual deviant man. That’s the point

  • @Smeeeth
    @Smeeeth 15 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "Oh. That's right. And I seem to remember breaking your face."
    I ADORE Kevin Spacey's dialogue in this movie

  • @FIJFIY87
    @FIJFIY87 14 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "only in a world this shitty,can you even try to say these people were innocent and keep a straight face."

  • @bobs1989
    @bobs1989 8 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Innocent.. Is that suppose to be funny ?!

    • @shanerose7204
      @shanerose7204 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well the way he said it was funny 😂

  • @amanred9337
    @amanred9337 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's weird watching this scene knowing that Brad Pitt's character has no idea what is happening next.

  • @litrpgre-roll7929
    @litrpgre-roll7929 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A master class in acting and filmmaking. The best build up to a climax in film history.

  • @careylamarca788
    @careylamarca788 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Any young actors out there...study this scene. It may be the greatest acting you’ll ever be exposed to.

    • @screamrad218
      @screamrad218 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I absolutely agree. This is a masterclass in acting.

  • @chuckselvage3157
    @chuckselvage3157 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He says he wasn't exceptional but he was.He was super intelligent his argument about society was valid. He made Hannibal Lecter look like a nice guy.

    • @sparrowprince3432
      @sparrowprince3432 ปีที่แล้ว

      All that collapsed when he raped and murdered an innocent woman, and then decapitated her. He was a vicious monster. And Hannibal Lecter won too, at the end of Silence of the Lambs. Walked off into the sunset, free as a bird. John Doe and Hannibal Lecter are equals.

  • @GJones462-2W1
    @GJones462-2W1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Spacey's BEST acting, period! Love that whole scene.

  • @josephsmith5596
    @josephsmith5596 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If you ask me (& that’s just of course if you ask) all 3 actors in this movie knocked the ball outta the park with this one

  • @specialdefect00
    @specialdefect00 14 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "You won't miss a thing."..Holy shit.. One of the best movies on my list. The dialogue is just a masterpiece...such as the whole movie..not that nowadays crap with shitload of computer effects

  • @peteypablo821
    @peteypablo821 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Where we HEAD'n?" "You'll see". Didn't catch that before

  • @PalmettoGD
    @PalmettoGD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was on my feet for the final fifteen minutes of this movie

  • @lordgoro
    @lordgoro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    somerset was the smartest one there

  • @meowjmeowington9076
    @meowjmeowington9076 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Every time Morgan Freeman speaks I’m like thank God. Let the grownups talk

  • @bellaf7774
    @bellaf7774 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Sit back you fucking freak!" I love u Brad 😂😂😂❤️❤️❤️

  • @mywhychromosome
    @mywhychromosome 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So many things set this film apart from others of its ‘type’, but the thing I always remember most is not only that the killer reveals himself on purpose with something like 30 minutes still left to go, but that he absolutely dominates the film from that point forward. So many films rely on hiding them, giving them minimal dialogue or just making them savage beasts. Andrew Kevin Walker doesn’t get enough credit (also curious how much of the “Fight Club” rewrites were his; the novel is already amazing but you can feel his touch at some parts of the film)

  • @efeonac8139
    @efeonac8139 8 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    We tolerate it because it is common wow true

    • @peterp2153
      @peterp2153 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Yes. We should horrifically murder obese, vain, and lusty people. WTF is wrong with you.

    • @londonsfinest6070
      @londonsfinest6070 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      This is the second comment I've read here that's indirectly agreeing with Spacey, why do people think its cool to take the bad side and agree with fucked up people?

    • @ScientologyHunter2
      @ScientologyHunter2 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      just because people agree with what john doe said doesn´t mean people agree with his actions...people stop beeing so fkng stupid please...John got a point, it doesn´t justify killing people but it worth to think about what he said, because it IS true

    • @yesikanarvaez5027
      @yesikanarvaez5027 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jagger Django Yes the world IS sinful, but it's OUR own fault our own choice to be that way there are some things stronger then the human will

    • @scottmatheson3346
      @scottmatheson3346 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @James so ahistorical. All the seven deadly sins were as tolerated in the past as they are today, or moreso (marital rape was considered normal a century ago, as were lynchings, and while dueling may have gone out of fashion by that point violence in response to hurt pride was a staple of western culture for most of its history). Pretty much the only thing that was stigmatized as a sin and is now tolerated is fornication, heterosexual or homosexual, so if you want to bang on that drum go ahead and say what you mean. Greed, pride, wrath were the glories of the early twentieth century, gluttony and sloth have always been tolerated in people with the means to pay for them.

  • @Hellblazer311
    @Hellblazer311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Does anyone else love the sarcastic way Mills is like "We're not just going to pick up two more dead bodies, are we John?"
    Because he's so used to being shocked by John's insane shocking acts that it seems too mundane, he's like let's be honest, that's not all that's gonna happen right? Come on. You're gonna do some shocking shit.

    • @Nate_M_PCMR
      @Nate_M_PCMR 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And he wasn't disappointed

  • @antonchiekam320
    @antonchiekam320 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "Youre a movie of the week"
    "Youre a fucking T-shirt at best"
    Me: thats oddly specific.

  • @shadowprince101
    @shadowprince101 16 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    " i seem to remember us knocking on your door " .
    " oh , that's right . and i seem to remember breaking your face " .
    pure pwnage :D .

  • @DTreatz
    @DTreatz ปีที่แล้ว +5

    John Doe's monologue is greatness and accurate at today's lost world the lack of comments on it is tragic and indicative of it
    Sad times we're in.

    • @klown839
      @klown839 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      But who made him judge, jury, and executioner? He’s a sinner his damn self, and not just envy. “I tried to play husband” told you he was a rapist too.

    • @ghersic8161
      @ghersic8161 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Heart attacks are the messiah counteracting obesity. Not John, and not TH-cam's own wtfdtreats.

  • @lemon_j22
    @lemon_j22 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Such a great scene and dialogue. The tempo of this scene is spot on.

  • @Beir17
    @Beir17 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The best scène ever, Kevin spacey was out of this world on this one , nailed it every second in that scène

  • @toreeesp3052
    @toreeesp3052 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:55 is so screwed up now when you know the ending

  • @MelancoliaI
    @MelancoliaI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    5:20, the birth of AcKtUalLy
    But seriously, I love everything after Brad Pitt says 'innocent people.' It's when the mask falls off and we see the real John Doe, the hatred and rage at his core

  • @johnwahl752
    @johnwahl752 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And for all we know Tracy head was not even in the box.
    All it showed was blood

    • @jameshaggerty8348
      @jameshaggerty8348 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then what was Morgan Freeman looking at in the box? He recognized something familiar, and he saw Brad Pitt with Kevin Spacey, talking to him. How do you explain that?

  • @misterdecker7875
    @misterdecker7875 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m off today I don’t have to go to work until I feel like it

  • @marcoscamargo7763
    @marcoscamargo7763 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kevin Spacey simply stole the show in this sensational film. He totally manipulated the two cops from the start. And he managed to carry out all his morbid plans until the unbearably tragic and dark end. His performance deserved the Oscar for best actor. 😃👍🏻 🇧🇷

  • @jloo6822
    @jloo6822 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This dialogue scene is intriguing as it is on its own. Then you remember that while this is happening in real time, Mills’ wife is currently decapitated and they are driving to go see her severed head.
    What’s somehow even MORE sinister is Doe’s verbal restraint. He’s caught and cooked. He could easily start telling Mills how he decapitated his wife and killed his unborn kid, he’s already finished and that’s already happened. But he doesn’t…no matter how many names Mills calls him, he waits, let’s the moment and suspense spread over himself. In his mind, THIS is what he’s been waiting for.
    Couple that with how oblivious Mills is, as he thinks it is all over and everyone can go home now. The nightmare of all nightmares hasn’t even crossed his mind. How could it? After all, this is just his job. Even after all he’s seen, he’s not able to comprehend that someone could be so twisted as to take pride and pleasure in invading and destroying his own life like that, just for Mills doing his job. Probably one of the most sick and twisted things I’ve ever seen.

  • @N4divers
    @N4divers ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:21 Makes you wonder what happened to David Mills after the events of this movie

  • @ineedsaltplease620
    @ineedsaltplease620 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The way his mouth is in the grating

  • @Dr_Callidus_Corvus
    @Dr_Callidus_Corvus 8 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    I mean I feel bad thinking this but the man's has a point 4:34-5:30.

    • @suzannemoiraregis
      @suzannemoiraregis 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      the world has always been a dangerous, stupid and corrupt place--after all, human beings live here; John Doe has made no point by cruelly murdering people whose lives and activities he disapproved of; after all, is he any better than them? I'd say he's worse. Most of us--perhaps all of us--are just trying to get what we need to get through this life. The only way to rise above the morass of loneliness and desperation that is much of the human condition is through making an effort to be kind to each other. Not easy by any stretch--

    • @DomClancy
      @DomClancy 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah andrew kevin walker really hit it out of the park with this one

    • @zobielamouche1
      @zobielamouche1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      no, he hasn't. he condemns and kills others. what entitles him to that. he is like the usa playing world police while being part of the problem. it was ok that their troups they helped to defeat hitler, but afro-americans in parts of usa had to cope with racial discrimination (albeit not with mass killings or extermination) which was not so far from the one of nazi germany - also after this war!!!

    • @fosheimdet
      @fosheimdet 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      What a person does with his own body is his choice. The only person who might be "guilty" is the lawyer, but again the blame lies more on society for having these kinds of jobs and idealizing them.

    • @DorianCairne
      @DorianCairne 8 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      With the exception of the child molester, none of the people John Doe victimised deserved to die. That's absurd.

  • @kobz2862
    @kobz2862 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Don't know if someone mentions it in the comments but i like this moment 3:43 - 4:00 Summerset sets a logical line of argumentation and made John think about it for a moment. It's not like he's brainwashed with his "work", ignoring everything else and it's not worth to explain. He tries to process it and give him an accurate answer. Maybe he was thinking about it even for one second if it's right what he's been doing, but then he returned to his john doe mode or smh and shut down. Maybe if Mills wasn't so hot headed, Summerset could get more from him and at least avoid what happened a few minutes later

  • @spiderjump
    @spiderjump 10 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Best scene ever

  • @H.J.G
    @H.J.G 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This movie shares its spot as my number one all time favourite movie, along side Shawshank Redemption. And I have a question I genuinely want to know the answer to so if anyone can help out - thank you in advance 🙏
    But is there anything in this movie that alludes as to why or how John Doe knew that the ‘sloth’ victim was indeed a “pederast”? Is there something I missed? It’s just interesting to see how he seems so set on that one piece of information about him that has me wondering if there’s something in the sloth scene or something disclosed in the movie beforehand that confirms this?
    I appreciate if anyone can enlighten me. Just that John Doe shows very little emotion in this film but upon hearing the word “innocent” it appears to trigger him into this rage where he then divulges his own personal reasons behind his choices of victims.

  • @mspionage1743
    @mspionage1743 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looking back on this movie, Pitt's character seemed to be Wrath all along anyhow.

  • @niladrighosh9903
    @niladrighosh9903 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kevin Spacey is a legend

  • @andrewbryl4879
    @andrewbryl4879 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The greatest ending to a movie that I’ve ever seen

  • @lennyharrington7226
    @lennyharrington7226 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "I seem to remember..breaking your face",😂😂😂lol!

  • @anaccount8474
    @anaccount8474 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think this is the first Brad Pitt film that made me realize he's not just some pretty boy, he's actually a damn good actor.

  • @ausdigaty
    @ausdigaty 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "You're only alive because I didn't kill you"

  • @jayrock2637
    @jayrock2637 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Innocent? Is that supposed to be funny? Classic

  • @lessermook7608
    @lessermook7608 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doe dodged Somersets question by inserting Mills, masterful redirection.

  • @michaelpineapples7030
    @michaelpineapples7030 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "The rest of what life I've allowed you to have" - prison?

  • @Sammaysamiis
    @Sammaysamiis 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how cocky Brad Pitt is towards him until the final scene. It's so powerful. And Morgan is the voice of sanity

  • @lucasdavis1964
    @lucasdavis1964 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yeah, 'cause putting people in compromising situations that may result in their own deaths because of you can't get over your God complex is not crazy at all...

  • @kkoz66
    @kkoz66 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He's right. If this was real people wouldn't be able to forget it would be studied and pondered about forever.

    • @plugshirt1762
      @plugshirt1762 ปีที่แล้ว

      not really there aree thousands of serial killers who are just forgotten by time and no one really cares a week later

    • @kkoz66
      @kkoz66 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@plugshirt1762 sure but their is special cases. Dahmer, Bundy etc. If it's heinous enough it would be studied and pondered

    • @plugshirt1762
      @plugshirt1762 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kkoz66 you could argue it’s more or less arbitrary which serial killer becomes famous though as there are some just as if not more twisted who barely anyone talks about.

    • @kkoz66
      @kkoz66 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@plugshirt1762 maybe not by the general public but I know I have watched lots of crime documentaries about a lot of serial killers. Maybe not everyone finds it interesting but certain people in psychology do.

  • @Killernaut16
    @Killernaut16 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like how this was uploaded on the 17th of 2007. OP should've uploaded this a month ago so that it could've been 7/17/2007.

  • @RaphaelAaronRed
    @RaphaelAaronRed 9 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Kevin Spacey as Jon Doe > Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal

    • @adams1458
      @adams1458 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      not even close

    • @carlosbarton763
      @carlosbarton763 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ted Levine as Buffalo Bill > Hopkins

    • @TheElectrizantee
      @TheElectrizantee 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Raphael Red. nope

    • @breesybird9207
      @breesybird9207 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank u finally someone agrees with me

    • @forman208
      @forman208 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They're both amazing, but I'd give the nod to Hopkins

  • @Bonbonbon739
    @Bonbonbon739 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The foreshadowing is intense here

  • @ThothTheAtlanteanK
    @ThothTheAtlanteanK 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A Black Man and 2 White guy's riding along just having a conversation!!!!!! All jokes aside be carefuk with this film, it really can play with your mind. One of the best films ever made.

  • @Beatmyguest001
    @Beatmyguest001 14 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Perfect, perfect dialogue.

  • @HumanBeingSpawn
    @HumanBeingSpawn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The whole time he was picking on him specifically was to just wind him up, setting him up for what was to come, so he could be in the right mood for the final showdown

  • @sceneroklipp
    @sceneroklipp  17 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks. Yeah it's really a masterpiece.

  • @xxreadyyfreddyyxx
    @xxreadyyfreddyyxx 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    every line in this scene is amazing, best scene in the whole movi