Thank you for providing such detailed commentary regarding this particular rifle. I now have my dad's 69A. I know he was in the rifle club in high school, and he graduated in 1957. It has the straight down bolt. The trigger guard and trigger are not chromed. I also have two original 5 round steel magazines, one LR and one SR. It sat in the attic for about 30 years, so I recently brought it out and took it out to the range and plinked with it. This 22 is so accurate. Almost the most fun I've had shooting. After taking it out a few times, I decided to honor my dad and have the rifle professionally restored. It looks amazing and I'll be taking it out to the range again soon. Thanks again for so much info.
Thanks for the kind words.....can't get enough either. Another vintage .22 just got added to the collection, and I't from a manufacturer I never had before.....stay tuned!
I really enjoy your videos, you make a 45 minute video on a .22 bolt action rifle very interesting. I am also a big fan of older walnut and steel guns.
I have my Dad's 69A. It is a superb rifle from the word go. Extremely accurate with a very clean breaking trigger. No creep at all. The pull is a little bit on the heavy side but still very manageable. Since the receiver was not grooved for a scope, I took it to a gunsmith to get it done. He originally did not want to do it because it would kill the value of the rifle, I told him that this rifle would never leave my family so it's only value to us is sentimental. I put a 2.8-9 Simmons AETEC scope on it and it is one of my favorite rifles. I don't anyone makes a finer .22 bolt action rifle without it costing well over a grand.
Yeah, I liked those too but there was a bit of negative response to that series….not sure why. Seemed like some were taking it way too seriously. The point of it was just showing what tactical meant back in the day the pistols were made by speaking about them in tactical terms and operating them in tactical ways. Sometimes that made the videos very tongue in cheek….some didn’t like that. I can TRY to revive it……what gun should I do?
Great video! I recently picked up a 69a that came with a 5 rd lr mag, a 10 rd lr mag and a 5 rd short mag. First I had ever heard of the 5 rd short mag. Or the factory 10 rd mag for that matter. All Winchester marked, and the short mag has the base reversed. Looks like factory as the dimple on the base is always to the front of the mag. I can send pictures if you’d like. It also came with a vintage weaver 6B scope, all for less than two Benjamin’s. The stock is 80-90% and the action/bluing is as good or better than the stock.
Best shooting rifle I've ever shot!! I have 1 and everyone that shoots it says the same thing. I would put my 69A target rifle up against any of the newer models!!!
Same, I inherited one owned by my father before he could even walk and it still shoots flawlessly. It's got an old weaver 4x on it and you can literally stack rounds on paper at 100 yds, i've taken hundreds of grouse with it and I can only imagine how many my dad shot with it, but it just won't quit on me. I can't help but bring it out to the range every time I go, there's nothing more satisfying than plinking steel with a 22lr at 150-200 yards
I've read in a couple places that 2 digit stamp on the bbl is when the bbl was made. Providing no one ever changed bbls out that would be your date for the gun as well. This is on my "wanna get one" list. Just got a Rem 581 (another I wanna gun) so not in a rush for the 69A atm. Its odd that some gun series were serialized (like my 1957 M70, M77 & M12 sg) but some weren't until the law required it in 68.
Take a look at 22:10.....I'm convinced that everyone watching is working on a gun in the shop and misses half the videos.....kind of like me. The models serialized were called "assembly numbers" before 1968. Small arms required serialization so most companies that sold handguns also serialized long guns for inventory purposes. Thanks for tuning in and good luck with the 581.
The first thing I thought of when you showed the kids' book on the manufacture of the 69a was "That boy is wearing a tie in a machine shop! Who thought that was a good idea?" Then, at 42:30, you said pretty much the same thing. So it's not just my paranoia as a doctor. I recall in 1965 seeing a safety poster at the NAS Pensacola A/C repair facility; it said "remove all jewelry" above a photo of an amputated finger with a wedding ring still on it.
The guys to ask are Numrich. Look em up. Their website even has exploded diagrams with part numbers where you might be able to even answer that question yourself. Still, a call to them will put you in touch with a professional or a Q&A section on the website that is extremely helpful. Been there many times myself.
Great video on a great rifle, love the content of your channel! Could you please do a much needed video on how to properly BLO a vintage stock, I could only find total stock refinishing videos. Thank you-Ron
I held onto this idea for a while.....didn’t forget you, but it never materialized. It had just kind of became part of some individual videos when the need came up. The famous BLO procedure is rub it into the stock vigorously once a day for a week, once a week for a month, once a month for a year, then once a year for the rest of either of your lives. You can see how long this video would be.....I cant keep people watching for 5 minutes! Thanks for watching!
I have a Winchester 69A from last years. Trigger, trigger guard and bolt are chromed, but not the magazine plate. As I bought it recently, still not fired it.
@@MilsurpGarage , as I live in urban area, I tested it only in a indoor range, limited to 15 yards. Outdoor ranges requires more available time and fuel, because I need to drive to rural areas in neighbor cities. Fifteen yards is not enough to a serious analysis.
@@Dannyedelman4231 Yes…..required. After 1968 they were required for long guns. I have plenty of pre 1968 long guns with serial numbers. Some manufactures were doing it anyway and some got a jump on it when they heard it was going to be instituted in 1968.
Mail Surprise, what is a BLO treatment and what do you do to it? I have a Winchester 69 in original condition used but, loved and I would like to clean up the finish but, not replace what character it has. Yes I have a 10, 5, and a 5 short magazine original. Oh yah , I’m a 2% er.👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸✌🏻😎
Sounds like a nice rifle. BLO is boiled linseed oil….works great on wood. You put it on your hands and rub it in. Rule is once a day for a week. Once a week for a month. Once a month for a year. Then every year for the rest of its life.
I have the original 69, Honestly it was in rough shape. Not much collector's value was left. The stock was pretty screwed up/stank no matter what I did, had cracks, that mouse piss/crap smell, a house fire etc. It was my godfathers so there was only sentimental value. Ended up finding a 69A stock, and I bedded the original action to it (had to replace the dovetailed pillar on the bottom to fit the 69A stock. The barrel is free floated and I'm pretty surprised at the accuracy. The Barrel is pretty long and is actually rather quiet when 22 shorts are used. tapped the rear sight and I carefully fitted a skinner rear peep. It was missing the original front sight hood/ramp so I purchased a reproduction. I can convert it back to it's original ratty stock/sights. But I have myself a decent shooter and it makes for discreet pest removal without a suppressor. Reloading the entire magazine is a bit tricky. The quickest way to do so is to open the bolt, and press the magazine release/push on the follower. You can also load individual rounds through the top of the magazine with the action open. So I suppose you could keep it topped off. Magazine prices surprised me. My original mag is worth $75 or so now. I was missing the 22lr short mag so I purchased a reproduction of that. Cycling the Bolt on this version is kind of slower. Also the action almost reminds me of a mini mosin in some regards.
If you still have that stock and you wont mind chancing it and experimenting........try boiling it for a while. Check online for actual timeline and procedures. Takes out smells, oils, mouse piss......obviously physical damage will remain. A mild LIGHT sanding and refinish might look great. No shellacking.....just an oil finish or a nice pine tar. Edit - just saw “cracks” so you would have to go a bit further but maybe after boiling it will be a nice project. Agroglass.
I enjoy sharing all correspondence here with all my viewers and encourage that but if there’s something you feel is sensitive information you can contact me directly at the channel email milsurpgarage @ gmail.com
Hi, i didn't get to finish my comment. My 69A also has the Lyman 57rs L13 and 1"1/4 sling. Plus leather case stamped with 5/30/40 excellent condition can you date this for me Thanks.
Federal law required handguns to have a serial number since the mid-1920's, however rifles and shotgun did not require a serial number until Jan 1, 1969. The 69A stopped production in ‘63 so it was not required but Winchester might have been voluntarily adding one at some point or someone had one put on themselves. I’ve never heard of one being serial numbered….anyone else? Serial numbers?
Thank you for providing such detailed commentary regarding this particular rifle. I now have my dad's 69A. I know he was in the rifle club in high school, and he graduated in 1957. It has the straight down bolt. The trigger guard and trigger are not chromed. I also have two original 5 round steel magazines, one LR and one SR. It sat in the attic for about 30 years, so I recently brought it out and took it out to the range and plinked with it. This 22 is so accurate. Almost the most fun I've had shooting. After taking it out a few times, I decided to honor my dad and have the rifle professionally restored. It looks amazing and I'll be taking it out to the range again soon. Thanks again for so much info.
Glad you enjoyed it. Nice to hear.
Great video, really enjoy when you do the vintage long rifles. As one of your 2 percenters I never get enough. Thank you
Thanks for the kind words.....can't get enough either. Another vintage .22 just got added to the collection, and I't from a manufacturer I never had before.....stay tuned!
Great combination of history and vintage 22s. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it
I just got a 69A yesterday and had to rewatch this video. Thanks for the info.
Glad it helped
I really enjoy your videos, you make a 45 minute video on a .22 bolt action rifle very interesting. I am also a big fan of older walnut and steel guns.
Thanks for the kind words.
I too enjoy .22 guns as my favorite caliber over any new ccw pistol they come out with all the whistles and bells.
I have my Dad's 69A. It is a superb rifle from the word go. Extremely accurate with a very clean breaking trigger. No creep at all. The pull is a little bit on the heavy side but still very manageable. Since the receiver was not grooved for a scope, I took it to a gunsmith to get it done. He originally did not want to do it because it would kill the value of the rifle, I told him that this rifle would never leave my family so it's only value to us is sentimental. I put a 2.8-9 Simmons AETEC scope on it and it is one of my favorite rifles. I don't anyone makes a finer .22 bolt action rifle without it costing well over a grand.
More "is it tactical?" videos please 👍🏻😄
Your videos are always satisfying
Yeah, I liked those too but there was a bit of negative response to that series….not sure why. Seemed like some were taking it way too seriously.
The point of it was just showing what tactical meant back in the day the pistols were made by speaking about them in tactical terms and operating them in tactical ways.
Sometimes that made the videos very tongue in cheek….some didn’t like that.
I can TRY to revive it……what gun should I do?
@@MilsurpGarage interesting.
Maybe a Sten or Webley Revolver? Star .32 Pistols?
Or a 1911 for the 1911 fanboys🤣
@@MilsurpGarage describe the next series as "was it tactical?" 👍🏻
That’s a good idea.
Great video!
I recently picked up a 69a that came with a 5 rd
lr mag, a 10 rd lr mag and a 5 rd short mag. First I had ever heard of the 5 rd short mag. Or the factory 10 rd mag for that matter. All Winchester marked, and the short mag has the base reversed. Looks like factory as the dimple on the base is always to the front of the mag. I can send pictures if you’d like. It also came with a vintage weaver 6B scope, all for less than two Benjamin’s. The stock is 80-90% and the action/bluing is as good or better than the stock.
The short mags are uncommon and go for a bit of money. I’ve read they don’t work so well and were discontinued.
Best shooting rifle I've ever shot!! I have 1 and everyone that shoots it says the same thing. I would put my 69A target rifle up against any of the newer models!!!
There are newer models? HA!
Same, I inherited one owned by my father before he could even walk and it still shoots flawlessly. It's got an old weaver 4x on it and you can literally stack rounds on paper at 100 yds, i've taken hundreds of grouse with it and I can only imagine how many my dad shot with it, but it just won't quit on me. I can't help but bring it out to the range every time I go, there's nothing more satisfying than plinking steel with a 22lr at 150-200 yards
Put in a 22 snap cap/ dummy round in each 10 rounder and look at the differences from a side view of bullet positions.
They look pretty much the same.
I've read in a couple places that 2 digit stamp on the bbl is when the bbl was made. Providing no one ever changed bbls out that would be your date for the gun as well. This is on my "wanna get one" list. Just got a Rem 581 (another I wanna gun) so not in a rush for the 69A atm.
Its odd that some gun series were serialized (like my 1957 M70, M77 & M12 sg) but some weren't until the law required it in 68.
Take a look at 22:10.....I'm convinced that everyone watching is working on a gun in the shop and misses half the videos.....kind of like me.
The models serialized were called "assembly numbers" before 1968. Small arms required serialization so most companies that sold handguns also serialized long guns for inventory purposes.
Thanks for tuning in and good luck with the 581.
The first thing I thought of when you showed the kids' book on the manufacture of the 69a was "That boy is wearing a tie in a machine shop! Who thought that was a good idea?"
Then, at 42:30, you said pretty much the same thing. So it's not just my paranoia as a doctor. I recall in 1965 seeing a safety poster at the NAS Pensacola A/C repair facility; it said "remove all jewelry" above a photo of an amputated finger with a wedding ring still on it.
Yeah, that tie was a real knotted tie hanging right over the reciprocating stock making machine. Nice! Thanks for tuning in!
great vid. stay safe, stay armed, stay free. God Bless. love my model 43 chambered in 22 Hornet.
Thanks. I will, I do, and I am. Glad to have you aboard.
Awesome pc of equip. Used to have one. It shoots very accurately.
Yes it does! Thanks for tuning in
Can you tell me how those scope rings are mounted? I have a 1935 69 that's super similar and would love to put a decent scope on it. Cheers!
Mine has grooves that those mounts connected to......not sure if they all have those.
Always love watching your videos. If you could do more 8mm Mauser content, I would dig that.
Not a bad idea.....they are all due for a re-visit.
Tô precisando de um ferrolho completo pra um desse modelo 69A , alguém sabe onde comprar ?
Your best bet is Numrich or eBay. Thanks for tuning in!
I have a Winchester 69. It is missing its bolt assembly. Is the 69a bolt compatible?
The guys to ask are Numrich. Look em up. Their website even has exploded diagrams with part numbers where you might be able to even answer that question yourself. Still, a call to them will put you in touch with a professional or a Q&A section on the website that is extremely helpful. Been there many times myself.
Have a Model 75 have a safety issue when bolt is toward any ideas how to fix this?
Not sure what your issue is but if it’s a safety issue, you should seek help from a competent gunsmith. Thanks for tuning in.
Great video on a great rifle, love the content of your channel!
Could you please do a much needed video on how to properly BLO a vintage stock, I could only find total stock refinishing videos.
Thank you-Ron
I held onto this idea for a while.....didn’t forget you, but it never materialized. It had just kind of became part of some individual videos when the need came up. The famous BLO procedure is rub it into the stock vigorously once a day for a week, once a week for a month, once a month for a year, then once a year for the rest of either of your lives. You can see how long this video would be.....I cant keep people watching for 5 minutes!
Thanks for watching!
I have a Winchester 69A from last years. Trigger, trigger guard and bolt are chromed, but not the magazine plate.
As I bought it recently, still not fired it.
How does it shoot? You must have taken it for a ride by now....
@@MilsurpGarage , as I live in urban area, I tested it only in a indoor range, limited to 15 yards. Outdoor ranges requires more available time and fuel, because I need to drive to rural areas in neighbor cities.
Fifteen yards is not enough to a serious analysis.
Hi my name is Dan, i just got the Winchester 69A with Weaver 22 tip-off scope B4.and Lyman
Hi Dan, will continue to your follow up comment........
I just picked up a 69A but mine has a straight bolt and isn’t grooved for a scope it has a factory peep sight
Nice, those peep sights are very desirable.
only 334K were built between 1934-1936 I believe and they were no serial numbers on the 69A
I thought so too but someone just commented that their 69A does have a serial number.
@@MilsurpGarage that would be false because they were produced before they were required to have one
@@Dannyedelman4231 Yes…..required. After 1968 they were required for long guns. I have plenty of pre 1968 long guns with serial numbers. Some manufactures were doing it anyway and some got a jump on it when they heard it was going to be instituted in 1968.
Mail Surprise, what is a BLO treatment and what do you do to it? I have a Winchester 69 in original condition used but, loved and I would like to clean up the finish but, not replace what character it has. Yes I have a 10, 5, and a 5 short magazine original. Oh yah , I’m a 2% er.👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸✌🏻😎
Sounds like a nice rifle. BLO is boiled linseed oil….works great on wood. You put it on your hands and rub it in.
Rule is once a day for a week. Once a week for a month. Once a month for a year. Then every year for the rest of its life.
@@MilsurpGarage 👍got it. Thank you.
I'm currently bidding on a pre forty-five model on GunBroker, 6 hours left. Wish me luck fellas
Let us know how it turns out after and link the completed auction.
I have the original 69, Honestly it was in rough shape. Not much collector's value was left. The stock was pretty screwed up/stank no matter what I did, had cracks, that mouse piss/crap smell, a house fire etc. It was my godfathers so there was only sentimental value.
Ended up finding a 69A stock, and I bedded the original action to it (had to replace the dovetailed pillar on the bottom to fit the 69A stock. The barrel is free floated and I'm pretty surprised at the accuracy. The Barrel is pretty long and is actually rather quiet when 22 shorts are used.
tapped the rear sight and I carefully fitted a skinner rear peep.
It was missing the original front sight hood/ramp so I purchased a reproduction.
I can convert it back to it's original ratty stock/sights. But I have myself a decent shooter and it makes for discreet pest removal without a suppressor.
Reloading the entire magazine is a bit tricky. The quickest way to do so is to open the bolt, and press the magazine release/push on the follower.
You can also load individual rounds through the top of the magazine with the action open. So I suppose you could keep it topped off.
Magazine prices surprised me. My original mag is worth $75 or so now. I was missing the 22lr short mag so I purchased a reproduction of that.
Cycling the Bolt on this version is kind of slower.
Also the action almost reminds me of a mini mosin in some regards.
If you still have that stock and you wont mind chancing it and experimenting........try boiling it for a while. Check online for actual timeline and procedures. Takes out smells, oils, mouse piss......obviously physical damage will remain. A mild LIGHT sanding and refinish might look great. No shellacking.....just an oil finish or a nice pine tar.
Edit - just saw “cracks” so you would have to go a bit further but maybe after boiling it will be a nice project. Agroglass.
Interested in contacting you. About guns.
I enjoy sharing all correspondence here with all my viewers and encourage that but if there’s something you feel is sensitive information you can contact me directly at the channel email milsurpgarage @ gmail.com
@@MilsurpGarage thank you
Hi, i didn't get to finish my comment. My 69A also has the Lyman 57rs L13 and 1"1/4 sling. Plus leather case stamped with 5/30/40 excellent condition can you date this for me Thanks.
The 69A was released in 1937 so your 1940 date on the leather case might be accurate. Thanks for tuning in!
Qual é o preço de um $? Eu tenho um. Sou do Brasil
Check Gun Broker for the current market prices....very accurate way of checking value.
Eu preciso de um pente carregador desse modelo
Search on the internet and keep trying. You will find it.
Ok
@@MilsurpGaragetradução
@@joselinosousaneto5255preciso de um ferrolho completo, o meu tá danificado, onde eu consigo comprar ? Sou do Brasil
Curious my 69A has serial #stamped on the barrel....
Federal law required handguns to have a serial number since the mid-1920's, however rifles and shotgun did not require a serial number until Jan 1, 1969. The 69A stopped production in ‘63 so it was not required but Winchester might have been voluntarily adding one at some point or someone had one put on themselves. I’ve never heard of one being serial numbered….anyone else? Serial numbers?