This album is full tilt insanity, a work of mad genius... and it literally presaged the future of harcore and punk fairly accurately, it was the blueprint which shaped so many bands. They are your favorite bands favorite band.
Maybe for lack of better representation, I'm pretty sure this album does, or should have an artist statement. It does things like use samples, make references in lyric or instrumental to other songs, and just other historical punk stuff, but other sounds and influences of counter culture. It is record to showcase what the "next steps" were for sounds, concepts and ideas of what the next generation of underground punk was to be.
The album title, The Shape of Punk to Come, is itself a play of Ornette Coleman's The Shape of Jazz to Come that came out in 1959. When knowing that, you can really understand the jazzy parts, and the overall jazz influences on the album.
I think you should really consider doing a full-album reaction to this one. There are just so many great and unique songs, and it was incredibly influential. I'm sure you'll take a lot from it.
@@LowEndUniversity Also check out the documentary (directed by their guitarist) 'Refused Are Fucking Dead' (I think it's on TH-cam), it's about their break-up. It's only 38 minutes long, but you really get an insight in their mindset. Really cool band. I interviewed the singer about nine, ten years ago. Nice guy.
I love how a lot of your recent videos (The Decline, Propagandhi, Satanic Surfers, this...) are all about the bands and songs that have shaped my musical taste. There was a real underdog feeling to it, back in the day, not much airplay for these bands (as there was for things like Sum 41 and the like), at least here in Belgium. It's really nice to see someone who wasn't familiar with it be so open to it, and amazed by the musicality of it. People saw us as angry idiots, but there is so much intelligent punk(rock)/hardcore. Your videos are some kind of validation. Thank you very much, it warms the heart. (Also: I'm a bit jealous you get to hear these great songs for the very first time :))
Ny started it! England started it! Who cares? I don't know who started it and I don't give a f! All I know is we did it harder, we did it faster, and we did it with more heart baby!
I've heard OF these guys before, but I have never actually heard them until now.. I think I'm in love. Can't believe I've been sleeping on this all these years. Thanks for the introduction, and whoever requested this, thank you as well.
You should consider doing some At the Drive-In ("Quarantined" or "Enfilade" maybe), another great weird post-hardcore band with super interesting bass that broke up after their big hit album going on to form a huge cult following.
What a week of content! Thank you!! This album definitely deserves a full listen. It’s a divisive album; some people think it’s brilliant and groundbreaking, some people think it’s pretentious art fapping full of ripped off ideas. I fall on the groundbreaking side of things personally. Love this album
TSoPtC is my all-time favorite album; it is brilliant. Anarchists making anarchic music with anarchist lyrics; it is the refusal to acknowledge musical rules and norms that engenders the transcendence of the music. I cannot count the number of times I've listened this album over more than 25 years yet it always sounds fresh, new and exciting. It is truly astounding that 4 guys in their early 20s were able to produce something so complex yet cohesive. IMO it is only rivaled, distantly, by The Clash's Combat Rock.
Fun Fact, when Rage Against the Machine Broke up, The lead singer of Refused was seriously considered as a replacement for Zach. They instead formed Audioslave with Chris Cornell....but imagine what could have been...
@@1aml3g3nd13 I believe he also did a fanzine. I definitely remember his name from the credits on Ebullition releases (I think they also distro'd his zine). In an case, we're talking proper punks, not like the MTV pop-punk crap that's been appearing here in the past six months (I can't believe someone actually asked for Less Than Jake... we literally used to use that band to make fun of people).
The shape of punk to come is in my top 10 albums of all time regardless of genre. Hardcore/emo was dipping its toes in the jazz pool around 94’-96’(swing kids). Refused seemed to be heavily influenced by bands like Born Against and the so cal hardcore scene from the early 90s
The San Diego scene had some of the greatest punk and hardcore ever (Swing Kids, Clikatat Ikatowi, Drive Like Jehu, The Locust, Unbroken, Heroin etc) and so many bands adjacent to it as well (Angel Hair, VSS, Jaks, Crossed Out, Jenny Piccolo, The Blood Brothers) that shaped a lot of punk and heavy music
The Shape Of Punk To Come is pretty much my favourite album of all time. When I first heard it at 13/14 years old I didn't realise how complex and sophisticated it is, but now I'm 35 I notice so much about it. Their previous releases are more straightforward hardcore/punk but for TSOPTC they leaned so much more into experimenting with electronic and jazz elements. It got really bad reviews at the time because so many people didn't really understand it, but it's truly stood the test of time and I'm really happy the band got their flowers in the end.
Hey! On Patreon, I have 8-9 courses for bass, about 200 lessons or so. While some are geared toward bass techniques and such, I do have an "Ear Training" and a "Music Theory" course that can apply to anyone. They're older lessons I filmed several years ago, but I'd recommend those if you're interested in learning from me. Cheers!
Refused is one of my favorite, if not my number 1, bands of all time. Just to think how young they were when they put this out is crazy, specially the drummer David. They formed when he was just 15 and put out 3 albums before breaking up when he was 22. They were all teens, and definitely beyond their years.
Hi Mark ! First message here, first of all thank you for your content that I have been following for some time now! Especially the series on Punk and its diversity, it always does something to see someone discover songs that have touched us and that have been with us for years. For information, the introduction of the song is a sample of jazz drummer Art Barkley and the Jazzy break in the middle of the song is played on the double bass / uprigth bass (not sure I know the right term in english) by Jakob Munck and not on the electric bass! Cheers from France !
Since, Swedish punk/hardcore bands seems to have the momentum here from the last couple of videos, I would greatly encourage you to checkout the song Clot by a band named Breach. Having Refused reviewed here on this channel is very nice btw. Thanks for this video man! Cheers!
Listening to this album for the first time is like those movie scenes when something huge hits and you see an eye close-up with the pupil fully dilating
When I first heard 'New Noise' back in 1998, it absolutely blew my mind. This album STILL lives in my top ten and one that I wish I could hear for the first time again. Also, if you've watched 'The Bear', you've heard a section of 'New Noise'.
As a 20 year metal and hordcore enthusiast and long time guitar player, I never fully got into Refused or gave them much of a chance. But after watching the first few mins of this video, I find myself intrigued and plan to investigate this album and band more in depth in the days and weeks to come! Thanks for always having such a variety of music on your channel, and your positive vibe, knowlegde, and bass skills just make the experience that much better. I'm becoming a big fan of your work bro keep it up : )
Yes! The legends REFUSED! I was late on these guys.. I bought this because of the cover and it was an Epitaph records release. Had the same exact reaction as you. What is this? Good stuff man
Notably, this album made a lot of punks really mad when it came out, because "how dare you tell us what punk is?" and then release one fo the most influential records in the genre. You ought to check out Shai Hulud, like "Misanthropy Pure" or "Reach Beyond the Sun"
There is SO much jazz influence not in the music, but the album cover itself "imitates the cover of Teen-Age Dance Session (1994) by Rye Coalition, which is of itself a reference to the cover of Teen-Age Dance Session (1954) by Dan Terry." There is a ton of stuff in the "samples and references" section of wikipedia.
I have been looking through the comments seeing if there was any reference to Ornette Coleman's 1959 album, The Shape of Jazz to Come that shook up the jazz world. That album features one of my favorite jazz bassists, Charlie Haden, who's definitely worth checking out.
I love how they disguise old school blues style riff on the last section by playing using a polyrhythmic feel, then at the very end the song they play it more clearly and reveal the trick .
Irei comentar em português (depois traduzo pra inglês): Cara, é muito legal essa introdução que você dá sobre a banda e o álbum! Parabéns pelo trabalho
Yes! Refused has been in constant play since I discovered this album in 2000. Listen to New Noise. You've heard it. Its been used in so many movies/shows right before shit's about to go down. It's so cool that out of the indie punk dust it was discovered by mainstream as a very emotional build up piece that perfectly sets the stage for some cinematic badassery. They have actually had a couple following albums after they broke up thay are really good.
If you want to know more there was a DVD that went out a while back called " Refused are fu**ing dead" made by the drummer if I remeber well. They all told the story of the band, their views on why they disbanded...etc Found a link here th-cam.com/video/7c4R47oAyAc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1ePSp70ZqkGtsUCY I did not upload this but have fun
This album is a work of art! The band launches from tense, coiled quiet into all-out assault-- or, if they're already in assault mode, from one head-spinning riff to another! A full album reaction is definitely required !
If i remember correctly, the starting part is a sample of a song in "The Shape of Jazz to Come" by Ornette Coleman. Also the cover artwork of the album is a tribute to that album... i can't find it online, but i am 100% sure that there was a version that is identical. And the "solo" bass part was recorded on a double bass. I saw them live a couple of times, and that part was skipped, sadly...
Hey man. I don’t play bass but I watch your videos all the time for some reason. I love how you deconstruct songs in such an intelligent manner. Anyway, I was listening to the best Bright Eyes song (cue the laughs from all your followers) and I was hoping you’d check it out and talk about how a simple bass line can add so much to an emotional, bare bones song. It’s called Something Vague. The bass is not progressive by any means. But it is most definitely a vibe. Love your stuff. Keep making videos.
my buddy got this on tape the year it came out and immediately called us all over to listen to it. it blew our 17 year old minds. i became obsessed. there really at the time wasn't much like this. the small west coast san Diego scene had some melodic hardcore but for Canadian kids into sick of it all and earth crisis, and refused earlier albums, this was game changing
i think i bought this album 5 times minimum.. still have all copies (never wanted to be without it 🤣) and still get chills listening to it every time. one of my absolute favorites
I’m loving this channel. So much good punk music i grew up on, love how much enthusiasm you have for it as a first time listener. Shape of Punk to Come was a perfect storm. Just so many bad ass riffs, The Deadly Rhythm is a great choice (although The Shape of Punk to Come is my personal favorite). I have to nominate some Hot Water Music. Jason Black is right up there with Matt Freeman for me as the best bassists in the genre.
So much love for this album! It's title is borrowed from "The Shape Of Jazz To Come" and there are more surprises waiting inside. Their next two albums are brilliant too, and God damn they are tight live. So glad you chose Refused!
I described this album to my father-in-law, who retired from the Army as a trombonist in the band, as prog-core. Check out Refusef Are Fucking Dead from this album. It has some King Crimson vibes.
I bought this album when it came out. Scandinavia had some good progressive rock bands in the late 90's, Düreforsög - Knee (1996 DK) is an honorable mention. But this album towers over everything else. A true masterpiece from start to finish. I still remember the first time I put CD in my stereo as it was yesterday. What I really want to say is: This album has become a hidden diamond, and you are lucky to come across it. Listen to the rest of it, start to finish. Honestly, I think it is the best prog-rock album of the 90's. "Knee" was a small original concept that worked great for one album. For me personally, the only albums that even come near this monster masterpiece is Metallica AJFA (1989), Tool Ænima (1996), Tool Lateralus (2001).
My work schedule changed and I cannot watch new videos until late night. It's killing me. This is one of the best channels on TH-cam. The Refused have evolved over the years but ultimately are still the same. 🤘
So lucky as a regular Punk Rock Bowling attendee that I have got the chance to see them play 2 times live now, they are amazing live as well. We even got lucky enough to talk to them post show at the Hotel one year, they were so damn nice and humble.
I got to see them the night before they broke up. Being 17, I didn't see it then, but now I can remember the tension in the room & they put every ounce of frustration & burnout into that set. It was amazing.
"The Shape Of Punk To Come" is one of those incredibly rare albums that can not only change punk kids' worlds. It has the capability to create entire new worlds. 26 years old an still as relevant as it was more than a quarter century ago. I haven't come across another masterpiece like it since. Close ones ("Sing The Sorrow" for example) but they are all still one tiny league below this one.
Nice man, at this point I think you've pretty much done just about every punk reaction I would have suggested. Now that you've made your way to hardcore, Comeback Kid is a damn good band thats pretty bass forward, I'd reccomend Heavy Steps.
Super cool. It sounds like a precursor to bands like Underoath, but obviously more punk. It’s super unique. I love the dynamics with the jazzy parts mixed in.
It's called The Shape Of Punk To Come because nothing sounded like it when it came out and that's still true today. Tannhauser/ Derive is possibly one of the most powerful songs ever and deserves a listen.
So happy you just heard that. It’s a track that was a wrecking ball to my puny punk brain when it came out and I’ve been obsessed with it since. To see even you get perplexed shows they are an unreal band.
It cannot be understated how different this album was when it came out as well. Not only from themselves, but from literally anything that existed. This came out in 1998 even other punk bands were nowhere near this.
Refused were one of the first bands to jump start hardcore music into what it has become today, one of my favorite band documentaries of all time is called "refused are fucking dead" it was about how they had to break up even though they were successful and how the music industry and touring is. Theyre in my top 10 all time easily
Wow!!! Really surprised to see you do The Refused.. The Album is an absolute classic. The name and the sleeve gives homage to Ornette Coleman's "The Shape Of Jazz To Come". The full Album name includes "A Chimerical Bombination In 12 Bursts" which totally explains this album. Chimerical - (of a mythical animal) formed from parts of various animals and Bombination - the sound of rapid vibration, a type of sound, or the sudden occurrence of an audible event.
One of the best records of all time. Def one of the albums that has permanently altered my conception of what is possible not just within the punk genre, but rock music as a whole.
The whole album is produced to emulate a pirated radio broadcast. So everything has that unstable feeling, even in the songs themselves. I bought this album the day after I first heard New Noise in like 98-99 sometime, this completely changed what I listened to and what I thought was possible within that ink/hardcore
The thing about refused is they like to give you that feeling that they are about to go off, and they are don't you worry, but they build the tension. They do this very well live.
Back in the mid/late 90s there was a comp cd series called Cheap Shots by Burning Heart Records. On volume 3 of this series released in 1997 you had the following track listing: 1- The Hives - a.k.a. I.D.I.O.T. 2 - Samiam - Full On 3 - No Fun At All - Catch Me Running Round 4 - Refused - The Shape Of Punk To Come 5 - Millencolin - Twenty Two 6 - The Business - The Truth, The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth 7 - 59 Times The Pain - Don't Belong Here 8 - Liberator - Kick The Bucket 9 - Satanic Surfers - Don't Fade Away 10 - Puffball - Petroleum 11 - Bodyjar - You've Taken Everything 12 - Raised Fist - Untruth 13 - Chickenpox - Bring It Down 14 - No Fun At All - Walk A Mile For You 15 - Breach - Repenish The Empty 16 - 59 Times The Pain - Flares n' Slippers 17 - Liberator - Girls I Had 18 - Refused - Rather Be Dead 19 - The Skalatones - Start Skanking 20 - Within Reach - Unity Company 21 - Duck Soup - Makin' Babies 22 - Nine - Futureshock 23 - Voice Of A Generation - Ultra Special I think you can find something here. It's on Spotify as a playlist (not mine) aswell if someone wants to listen Man I miss the 90s so much......
What an album. "Songs to fan the flames of discontent" is another one to take a look at. Also, another record that came out around the same period worth checking out is "I Fail" by The Spectacle. Picture this, but from Norway.
Swedish punk ftw, had Seitan, Randy, Millencolin, Raised fist, Perkele, No fun At all, Wolfbrigade, Anti Cimex, Mob 47 and Beyond Pink to your playlist and join the club of Swedish bands enjoyer !!
That is one of my favorite albums. I feel like you should know they got back together, and were up to recently playing shows when their lead singer had a massive heart attack. He is doing fine, but they aren't active. He also has a TH-cam channel (Dennis Deepcuts) with a surprising amount of videos and seems like a decent dude all around
Our drummer showed up to band practice with a vinyl copy of this right after it came out and was like "You gotta hear this shit!" Instead of practicing, we just listened to this album front to back and spent the rest of the time going "What the fuck is the point of even playing now?"
The shape of punk to come blew our minds when we first heard it... It was so different. The whole album is like this song. You never know what will come next, and I really liked that. If you wanna hear more Swedish punk, then I can recommend Millencolin. It's more upbeat skate pop punk kinda style, in the best way possible. Idk if there is any songs that have some great bass, but maybe some of your viewers can help with a specific recommendation?
The creativity on this album is enviable. The fact that so many different musical impulses are included without altering the balance of the songs is astounding. On a more ironic note this shape of punk? Never came.
What? The whole culture played this kind of punk the whole 00s and 10s. Punk now and then isn't just what goes mainstream, and this album defined the underground for decades
The Refused had the bravado to riff on Ornette Coleman's "The Shape of Jazz to Come" for the name of their album. The album names are more challenges than prognostications.
I feel like the chaotic timing wizardry found on this album basicaly defined early Post HC. To a lesser degree I think it started to show up in melodic punk, and other elements began showing up in nu metal a few years later. Refused may not have directly influenced all of that, but they sure predicted it.
I first heard this album when I was a senior in high school. 24 years later, still in my top 5 favorite albums. Refused Party Program Hardcore Techno Megamix!
“An odd way of grooving and an odd way of not grooving…the rhythmic dissonance” may have been the most succinct beautifully perfect line you have said so far (from someone who religiously watches everything you put out on here and Patreon). Just sums up so well what makes punk rock so interesting and edgy and perfect. This one was extra fun for me cause I haven’t heard this in 20 yrs…so I was right along with your thoughts and facial expressions 😂🤘
Love to hear this, thank you! I sort of spit that one out but it really reminded me of clashing notes, but in the rhythm instead! 🤓 Really appreciate your support Chris!!
"The Shape of Punk to Come" FULL-ALBUM Reaction: www.patreon.com/posts/full-album-shape-113108229
If any album deserves a full review its this one, an absolute masterclass in song writing
I second this. I would love to just watch you listen to this album for the first time.
would finally sign up for a patreon just for this
Stuck it in my car for the first time in a while recently, it's an absolute masterclass in sequencing.
Bought it in 1999 when it came out. Nothing sounds like it even now.
a hardcore band that transcends and really created a blueprint for what became Post Hardcore into the 2000s like Million Dead or Native to name two
This album is an absolute monster.
They say the classics never go out of style…
@@wayfarer13 but they do baby, they do.
@@nobirdsnomasters and somehow baby, I never thought that we would too
This album is full tilt insanity, a work of mad genius... and it literally presaged the future of harcore and punk fairly accurately, it was the blueprint which shaped so many bands. They are your favorite bands favorite band.
And it came out in 1998! It sounds like it just came out today. It’s such a fantastic album.
@@1aml3g3nd13yup this album will never age
Maybe for lack of better representation, I'm pretty sure this album does, or should have an artist statement. It does things like use samples, make references in lyric or instrumental to other songs, and just other historical punk stuff, but other sounds and influences of counter culture.
It is record to showcase what the "next steps" were for sounds, concepts and ideas of what the next generation of underground punk was to be.
The album title, The Shape of Punk to Come, is itself a play of Ornette Coleman's The Shape of Jazz to Come that came out in 1959. When knowing that, you can really understand the jazzy parts, and the overall jazz influences on the album.
I think you should really consider doing a full-album reaction to this one. There are just so many great and unique songs, and it was incredibly influential. I'm sure you'll take a lot from it.
Second this.
It’s definitely going on the next Patreon poll. 😎
@@LowEndUniversity Also check out the documentary (directed by their guitarist) 'Refused Are Fucking Dead' (I think it's on TH-cam), it's about their break-up. It's only 38 minutes long, but you really get an insight in their mindset. Really cool band. I interviewed the singer about nine, ten years ago. Nice guy.
Also you'll noticed what they were going for as an album concept as there are no real stops between songs as they are kind of blended together
@@LowEndUniversity I'll join your patreon if you do!
I love how a lot of your recent videos (The Decline, Propagandhi, Satanic Surfers, this...) are all about the bands and songs that have shaped my musical taste. There was a real underdog feeling to it, back in the day, not much airplay for these bands (as there was for things like Sum 41 and the like), at least here in Belgium. It's really nice to see someone who wasn't familiar with it be so open to it, and amazed by the musicality of it. People saw us as angry idiots, but there is so much intelligent punk(rock)/hardcore. Your videos are some kind of validation. Thank you very much, it warms the heart. (Also: I'm a bit jealous you get to hear these great songs for the very first time :))
This means a lot, and I’m happy to do it. Thank you!!
agree 100% 🎉
This album blew my mind when I discovered it back in 2001/2002ish and it still sounds just as fresh and powerful today.
it's extraordinary how well the production holds up, you wouldn't blink if it was released today.
Mark: “What is this?!”
Refused: “It’s the shape of punk to come, of course”
Ny started it! England started it! Who cares? I don't know who started it and I don't give a f! All I know is we did it harder, we did it faster, and we did it with more heart baby!
I've heard OF these guys before, but I have never actually heard them until now.. I think I'm in love. Can't believe I've been sleeping on this all these years.
Thanks for the introduction, and whoever requested this, thank you as well.
Love this!
Please do a deep dive, the album before this is 🔥🔥🔥
You should consider doing some At the Drive-In ("Quarantined" or "Enfilade" maybe), another great weird post-hardcore band with super interesting bass that broke up after their big hit album going on to form a huge cult following.
I agree At the Drive-In would be an incredible band to check out!
Yes! ATDI is well worth listening to
This is the way
I just finished a book called sell out, atdi were featured. Have only really heard one song but now I'm keen to delve into their catalogue
Or really anything off of Deloused by Mars Volta
What a week of content! Thank you!! This album definitely deserves a full listen. It’s a divisive album; some people think it’s brilliant and groundbreaking, some people think it’s pretentious art fapping full of ripped off ideas. I fall on the groundbreaking side of things personally. Love this album
Thanks so much man. Some interesting comments already. I’m intrigued!!
The people who think this is pretentious art fapping are welcome to have their own opinion, even if that opinion is plain wrong.
@@wayfarer13 🤣
TSoPtC is my all-time favorite album; it is brilliant. Anarchists making anarchic music with anarchist lyrics; it is the refusal to acknowledge musical rules and norms that engenders the transcendence of the music. I cannot count the number of times I've listened this album over more than 25 years yet it always sounds fresh, new and exciting. It is truly astounding that 4 guys in their early 20s were able to produce something so complex yet cohesive. IMO it is only rivaled, distantly, by The Clash's Combat Rock.
Oh man, 100% agree with your sentiments. Combat Rock is so good, so weird. My fave clash song is "Radio Clash"
Fun Fact, when Rage Against the Machine Broke up, The lead singer of Refused was seriously considered as a replacement for Zach. They instead formed Audioslave with Chris Cornell....but imagine what could have been...
Whoa!!
Well, keep in mind that RAtM was formed by people from the Ebullition scene... so they were connected to the HC underground.
Zach was in a hardcore band called Inside Out in the late 80s so they def had roots in the early CA scene
@@1aml3g3nd13 I believe he also did a fanzine. I definitely remember his name from the credits on Ebullition releases (I think they also distro'd his zine).
In an case, we're talking proper punks, not like the MTV pop-punk crap that's been appearing here in the past six months (I can't believe someone actually asked for Less Than Jake... we literally used to use that band to make fun of people).
@@1aml3g3nd13 They made one hell of a 7 inch.
Well... tough luck to all the other bands in the next Patreon vote. This will win hands down because Refused is amazing.
I'm so happy you did Refused. I'm really glad you really liked them. This band has defined my music tastes in music since '98. Hell yeah dude!
The shape of punk to come is in my top 10 albums of all time regardless of genre. Hardcore/emo was dipping its toes in the jazz pool around 94’-96’(swing kids). Refused seemed to be heavily influenced by bands like Born Against and the so cal hardcore scene from the early 90s
The San Diego scene had some of the greatest punk and hardcore ever (Swing Kids, Clikatat Ikatowi, Drive Like Jehu, The Locust, Unbroken, Heroin etc) and so many bands adjacent to it as well (Angel Hair, VSS, Jaks, Crossed Out, Jenny Piccolo, The Blood Brothers) that shaped a lot of punk and heavy music
I loved this when it first came out. "Worms Of The Senses / Faculties Of The Skull" is an amazing introduction to an album.
Waiting for a Frenzal Rhomb - Punch In The Face video to drop :D
It’s coming!!
@@LowEndUniversity Hells yes!!
that's a band I haven't thought about in a minute. revisiting now. thanks for the reminder!
This album is one of my all time favorites. The Deadly Rhythm is my shit!
The Shape Of Punk To Come is pretty much my favourite album of all time. When I first heard it at 13/14 years old I didn't realise how complex and sophisticated it is, but now I'm 35 I notice so much about it. Their previous releases are more straightforward hardcore/punk but for TSOPTC they leaned so much more into experimenting with electronic and jazz elements. It got really bad reviews at the time because so many people didn't really understand it, but it's truly stood the test of time and I'm really happy the band got their flowers in the end.
My favorite track on an album full of bangers. Glad to see you do this one!
Finally! So happy you got around to it, the whole album is amazing
As a guitarist, this is my fav channel. I learn so much! Thank you for being awesome!
Wow, thanks! Appreciate you.
@@LowEndUniversity thank you!!!
@@LowEndUniversity do you teach anything guitar related by the way? Or does anything you teach on bass translate over?
Hey! On Patreon, I have 8-9 courses for bass, about 200 lessons or so. While some are geared toward bass techniques and such, I do have an "Ear Training" and a "Music Theory" course that can apply to anyone. They're older lessons I filmed several years ago, but I'd recommend those if you're interested in learning from me. Cheers!
@@LowEndUniversity awesome! I'll check them out!
Refused is one of my favorite, if not my number 1, bands of all time. Just to think how young they were when they put this out is crazy, specially the drummer David. They formed when he was just 15 and put out 3 albums before breaking up when he was 22. They were all teens, and definitely beyond their years.
You’re almost at 100,000 subscribers Mark!! Keep up the great job!
Hi Mark !
First message here, first of all thank you for your content that I have been following for some time now! Especially the series on Punk and its diversity, it always does something to see someone discover songs that have touched us and that have been with us for years.
For information, the introduction of the song is a sample of jazz drummer Art Barkley and the Jazzy break in the middle of the song is played on the double bass / uprigth bass (not sure I know the right term in english) by Jakob Munck and not on the electric bass!
Cheers from France !
Since, Swedish punk/hardcore bands seems to have the momentum here from the last couple of videos, I would greatly encourage you to checkout the song Clot by a band named Breach. Having Refused reviewed here on this channel is very nice btw. Thanks for this video man! Cheers!
Great suggestion, and you’re very welcome!
Yes , breach are legends
Listening to this album for the first time is like those movie scenes when something huge hits and you see an eye close-up with the pupil fully dilating
😳
- then the eyeball gets sliced with a strait razor
@@normaleehi nah, you’re thinking of the Pixies 😉
@@kolkenad we can all grow up to be debasers😏
Love how much you dig this. This band was such an inspiration for many others
Nice! Im glad you’re doing this. This album is super slept on!
When I first heard 'New Noise' back in 1998, it absolutely blew my mind. This album STILL lives in my top ten and one that I wish I could hear for the first time again.
Also, if you've watched 'The Bear', you've heard a section of 'New Noise'.
Oh, nice! The Bear has been on my watch list for a few months now. I worked in the service industry for years so looking forward to watching it soon!
As a 20 year metal and hordcore enthusiast and long time guitar player, I never fully got into Refused or gave them much of a chance. But after watching the first few mins of this video, I find myself intrigued and plan to investigate this album and band more in depth in the days and weeks to come! Thanks for always having such a variety of music on your channel, and your positive vibe, knowlegde, and bass skills just make the experience that much better. I'm becoming a big fan of your work bro keep it up : )
This means a lot, and I really appreciate you!!
Yes! The legends REFUSED! I was late on these guys.. I bought this because of the cover and it was an Epitaph records release. Had the same exact reaction as you. What is this? Good stuff man
Notably, this album made a lot of punks really mad when it came out, because "how dare you tell us what punk is?" and then release one fo the most influential records in the genre.
You ought to check out Shai Hulud, like "Misanthropy Pure" or "Reach Beyond the Sun"
There is SO much jazz influence not in the music, but the album cover itself "imitates the cover of Teen-Age Dance Session (1994) by Rye Coalition, which is of itself a reference to the cover of Teen-Age Dance Session (1954) by Dan Terry."
There is a ton of stuff in the "samples and references" section of wikipedia.
I have been looking through the comments seeing if there was any reference to Ornette Coleman's 1959 album, The Shape of Jazz to Come that shook up the jazz world. That album features one of my favorite jazz bassists, Charlie Haden, who's definitely worth checking out.
I love how they disguise old school blues style riff on the last section by playing using a polyrhythmic feel, then at the very end the song they play it more clearly and reveal the trick .
Irei comentar em português (depois traduzo pra inglês):
Cara, é muito legal essa introdução que você dá sobre a banda e o álbum! Parabéns pelo trabalho
That's one of my favorite albums ever! Thanks for that! ;)
Yes! Refused has been in constant play since I discovered this album in 2000. Listen to New Noise. You've heard it. Its been used in so many movies/shows right before shit's about to go down. It's so cool that out of the indie punk dust it was discovered by mainstream as a very emotional build up piece that perfectly sets the stage for some cinematic badassery.
They have actually had a couple following albums after they broke up thay are really good.
If you want to know more there was a DVD that went out a while back called " Refused are fu**ing dead" made by the drummer if I remeber well. They all told the story of the band, their views on why they disbanded...etc
Found a link here th-cam.com/video/7c4R47oAyAc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1ePSp70ZqkGtsUCY
I did not upload this but have fun
This DVD was probably one of my very last DVD purchases, lol. So good.
They broke up at a house party of all fuckin' things
Watching you have your mind blown by this track was like hearing it again for the first time. Thanks for making my week!
Happy to hear that!
This album is a work of art! The band launches from tense, coiled quiet into all-out assault-- or, if they're already in assault mode, from one head-spinning riff to another! A full album reaction is definitely required !
I tried so hard to get my friends into this album when it came out, but none of them got it. Has always been one of my favorites. Cheers!
This album rips!! Highly suggest you listening to all of it. Great reaction as always!
If i remember correctly, the starting part is a sample of a song in "The Shape of Jazz to Come" by Ornette Coleman. Also the cover artwork of the album is a tribute to that album... i can't find it online, but i am 100% sure that there was a version that is identical.
And the "solo" bass part was recorded on a double bass.
I saw them live a couple of times, and that part was skipped, sadly...
Hey man. I don’t play bass but I watch your videos all the time for some reason. I love how you deconstruct songs in such an intelligent manner. Anyway, I was listening to the best Bright Eyes song (cue the laughs from all your followers) and I was hoping you’d check it out and talk about how a simple bass line can add so much to an emotional, bare bones song. It’s called Something Vague. The bass is not progressive by any means. But it is most definitely a vibe. Love your stuff. Keep making videos.
Thank you my friend! I really appreciate the nice words, and your time to watch the channel. Cheers! I'll add it to my list!
my buddy got this on tape the year it came out and immediately called us all over to listen to it. it blew our 17 year old minds. i became obsessed. there really at the time wasn't much like this. the small west coast san Diego scene had some melodic hardcore but for Canadian kids into sick of it all and earth crisis, and refused earlier albums, this was game changing
i think i bought this album 5 times minimum.. still have all copies (never wanted to be without it 🤣) and still get chills listening to it every time. one of my absolute favorites
Incredible album. One of my favorites. Gunna have to give it a few more spins today.
I’m loving this channel. So much good punk music i grew up on, love how much enthusiasm you have for it as a first time listener. Shape of Punk to Come was a perfect storm. Just so many bad ass riffs, The Deadly Rhythm is a great choice (although The Shape of Punk to Come is my personal favorite).
I have to nominate some Hot Water Music. Jason Black is right up there with Matt Freeman for me as the best bassists in the genre.
So much love for this album! It's title is borrowed from "The Shape Of Jazz To Come" and there are more surprises waiting inside. Their next two albums are brilliant too, and God damn they are tight live. So glad you chose Refused!
when i learned drums for the first time, i played this album on repeat. This song is one of the most fun drum tracks ive ever played.
That guitar progression in combination with the drums at 9:56 is so damn cool! I wondered if you would notice and you did 😃
I described this album to my father-in-law, who retired from the Army as a trombonist in the band, as prog-core. Check out Refusef Are Fucking Dead from this album. It has some King Crimson vibes.
definitly one of the all time greatest albums. the whole thing is a journey that no other harcore band ever captured
Thank you Fat Wreck comps for introducing me to great bands like this. This album has gotta be in my personal top 10
I bought this album when it came out. Scandinavia had some good progressive rock bands in the late 90's, Düreforsög - Knee (1996 DK) is an honorable mention. But this album towers over everything else. A true masterpiece from start to finish. I still remember the first time I put CD in my stereo as it was yesterday.
What I really want to say is: This album has become a hidden diamond, and you are lucky to come across it. Listen to the rest of it, start to finish. Honestly, I think it is the best prog-rock album of the 90's. "Knee" was a small original concept that worked great for one album. For me personally, the only albums that even come near this monster masterpiece is Metallica AJFA (1989), Tool Ænima (1996), Tool Lateralus (2001).
Not sure how I missed this one but damn man you are killing it! One of the best albums of all time.
Yeah, finally you did the Refused. They're so awesome, and this album is... well, a masterpiece. Hope you'll enjoy the other tracks as well :)
Still can't believe I got to see these guys live late 2019, never thought I'd see the day.
New Model Army Stuart Morrow is the name of one of the best bass players on this planet. Vengeance and No Rest albums are pure bass class.
My work schedule changed and I cannot watch new videos until late night. It's killing me. This is one of the best channels on TH-cam. The Refused have evolved over the years but ultimately are still the same. 🤘
That’s high praise and means a lot! It’ll be here when you’re ready! 😎🙏🏼
The Shape of Punk to Come is such a gret album!! Chaos has never felt so good
So lucky as a regular Punk Rock Bowling attendee that I have got the chance to see them play 2 times live now, they are amazing live as well. We even got lucky enough to talk to them post show at the Hotel one year, they were so damn nice and humble.
I got to see them the night before they broke up. Being 17, I didn't see it then, but now I can remember the tension in the room & they put every ounce of frustration & burnout into that set. It was amazing.
"The Shape Of Punk To Come" is one of those incredibly rare albums that can not only change punk kids' worlds. It has the capability to create entire new worlds.
26 years old an still as relevant as it was more than a quarter century ago. I haven't come across another masterpiece like it since. Close ones ("Sing The Sorrow" for example) but they are all still one tiny league below this one.
Thrice - Paper Tigers or Hoods on Peregrine from The Artist in the Ambulance.
So awesome to watch you experience this track for the first time!!!
Amazing album! Too cerebral for me when it came out and finally clicked for me a few years later. Tannhauser is another super interesting song.
Nice man, at this point I think you've pretty much done just about every punk reaction I would have suggested. Now that you've made your way to hardcore, Comeback Kid is a damn good band thats pretty bass forward, I'd reccomend Heavy Steps.
Comeback Kid is a must.
One of the greatest albums ever written and maybe the most accurate album title.
Super cool. It sounds like a precursor to bands like Underoath, but obviously more punk. It’s super unique. I love the dynamics with the jazzy parts mixed in.
this album blew my mind when it came out!
It's called The Shape Of Punk To Come because nothing sounded like it when it came out and that's still true today. Tannhauser/ Derive is possibly one of the most powerful songs ever and deserves a listen.
This was one of those albums….and you knew it right away. One of my favorites.
I did a bass play through of this on my channel a while back and it took me AGES to figure out haha
Nice!!!
So happy you just heard that. It’s a track that was a wrecking ball to my puny punk brain when it came out and I’ve been obsessed with it since.
To see even you get perplexed shows they are an unreal band.
It cannot be understated how different this album was when it came out as well. Not only from themselves, but from literally anything that existed. This came out in 1998 even other punk bands were nowhere near this.
Refused were one of the first bands to jump start hardcore music into what it has become today, one of my favorite band documentaries of all time is called "refused are fucking dead" it was about how they had to break up even though they were successful and how the music industry and touring is. Theyre in my top 10 all time easily
Wow!!! Really surprised to see you do The Refused.. The Album is an absolute classic. The name and the sleeve gives homage to Ornette Coleman's "The Shape Of Jazz To Come". The full Album name includes "A Chimerical Bombination In 12 Bursts" which totally explains this album. Chimerical - (of a mythical animal) formed from parts of various animals and Bombination - the sound of rapid vibration, a type of sound, or the sudden occurrence of an audible event.
One of the best records of all time. Def one of the albums that has permanently altered my conception of what is possible not just within the punk genre, but rock music as a whole.
The whole album is produced to emulate a pirated radio broadcast. So everything has that unstable feeling, even in the songs themselves. I bought this album the day after I first heard New Noise in like 98-99 sometime, this completely changed what I listened to and what I thought was possible within that ink/hardcore
The thing about refused is they like to give you that feeling that they are about to go off, and they are don't you worry, but they build the tension. They do this very well live.
This album STILL RULES. A singular achievement in the genre(s)....definitely belongs on all those BEST OF lists. Listen to the ENTIRE album!
Back in the mid/late 90s there was a comp cd series called Cheap Shots by Burning Heart Records. On volume 3 of this series released in 1997 you had the following track listing:
1- The Hives - a.k.a. I.D.I.O.T.
2 - Samiam - Full On
3 - No Fun At All - Catch Me Running Round
4 - Refused - The Shape Of Punk To Come
5 - Millencolin - Twenty Two
6 - The Business - The Truth, The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth
7 - 59 Times The Pain - Don't Belong Here
8 - Liberator - Kick The Bucket
9 - Satanic Surfers - Don't Fade Away
10 - Puffball - Petroleum
11 - Bodyjar - You've Taken Everything
12 - Raised Fist - Untruth
13 - Chickenpox - Bring It Down
14 - No Fun At All - Walk A Mile For You
15 - Breach - Repenish The Empty
16 - 59 Times The Pain - Flares n' Slippers
17 - Liberator - Girls I Had
18 - Refused - Rather Be Dead
19 - The Skalatones - Start Skanking
20 - Within Reach - Unity Company
21 - Duck Soup - Makin' Babies
22 - Nine - Futureshock
23 - Voice Of A Generation - Ultra Special
I think you can find something here.
It's on Spotify as a playlist (not mine) aswell if someone wants to listen
Man I miss the 90s so much......
Refused is like the MF Doom of punk: your favorite band's favorite band.
Remember ALL CAPS when you spell the man name
What an album. "Songs to fan the flames of discontent" is another one to take a look at.
Also, another record that came out around the same period worth checking out is "I Fail" by The Spectacle. Picture this, but from Norway.
I was so giddy watching you listen to the standup bass section, just waiting for you to be blown away again.
Swedish punk ftw, had Seitan, Randy, Millencolin, Raised fist, Perkele, No fun At all, Wolfbrigade, Anti Cimex, Mob 47 and Beyond Pink to your playlist and join the club of Swedish bands enjoyer !!
yes, how do we sneak in some crust d-beat on this channel?
@@mikexisxwar 🥸 by slowly building up to it 🤫
That is one of my favorite albums.
I feel like you should know they got back together, and were up to recently playing shows when their lead singer had a massive heart attack. He is doing fine, but they aren't active. He also has a TH-cam channel (Dennis Deepcuts) with a surprising amount of videos and seems like a decent dude all around
"Risin' Up" by Pipedown
"40 Hour Week" by The Code
"You'd do the Same" by Anti-Flag
"Like the Angel" by Rise Against 👌🏻🤘🏻
Our drummer showed up to band practice with a vinyl copy of this right after it came out and was like "You gotta hear this shit!"
Instead of practicing, we just listened to this album front to back and spent the rest of the time going "What the fuck is the point of even playing now?"
Hell yeah this song kicks ass! I think it's really about the drums and bass on this one.
The shape of punk to come blew our minds when we first heard it... It was so different. The whole album is like this song. You never know what will come next, and I really liked that.
If you wanna hear more Swedish punk, then I can recommend Millencolin. It's more upbeat skate pop punk kinda style, in the best way possible. Idk if there is any songs that have some great bass, but maybe some of your viewers can help with a specific recommendation?
This will win the next full album review poll by a mile vs any competition.
I’m here for it!!
Bro your face when the beat kicked back in at 8:43. That's the reason this album will live in infamy always.
The creativity on this album is enviable. The fact that so many different musical impulses are included without altering the balance of the songs is astounding. On a more ironic note this shape of punk? Never came.
It definitely did in some circles.
What? The whole culture played this kind of punk the whole 00s and 10s. Punk now and then isn't just what goes mainstream, and this album defined the underground for decades
The Refused had the bravado to riff on Ornette Coleman's "The Shape of Jazz to Come" for the name of their album. The album names are more challenges than prognostications.
I feel like the chaotic timing wizardry found on this album basicaly defined early Post HC. To a lesser degree I think it started to show up in melodic punk, and other elements began showing up in nu metal a few years later. Refused may not have directly influenced all of that, but they sure predicted it.
The confidence to title their album that, backed up by the talent to be right.
I first heard this album when I was a senior in high school. 24 years later, still in my top 5 favorite albums. Refused Party Program Hardcore Techno Megamix!
“An odd way of grooving and an odd way of not grooving…the rhythmic dissonance” may have been the most succinct beautifully perfect line you have said so far (from someone who religiously watches everything you put out on here and Patreon). Just sums up so well what makes punk rock so interesting and edgy and perfect. This one was extra fun for me cause I haven’t heard this in 20 yrs…so I was right along with your thoughts and facial expressions 😂🤘
Love to hear this, thank you! I sort of spit that one out but it really reminded me of clashing notes, but in the rhythm instead! 🤓
Really appreciate your support Chris!!